Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 8 — To Debate or Not to Debate？ Kill the Boer？ Lizzo's Banana RepubLICK？

00:00:00.000 All right, ladies and gentlemen, it's this time of the week again for this week's Thought Crime.

00:00:06.220 Myself, Charlie Kirk, and the boys sit down.

00:00:08.720 We break down all the latest on Jack Smith and whether or not the 2020 election was in fact stolen.

00:00:15.820 Next, the question to debate or not debate, what should Trump do?

00:00:20.860 Third, Lizzo's Banana Republic.

00:00:23.360 We also get into Vegans Starving Themselves, Kill the Bower, the white genocide song that's sweeping the nation of South Africa.

00:00:32.340 And then finally, we question, what is the Rivolino test?

00:00:36.860 Get ready, because we're about to commit thought crime.

00:00:40.500 From the age of Big Brother.

00:00:42.820 If they want to get you, they'll get you.

00:00:45.300 DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

00:00:49.240 They're collecting your communications.

00:00:53.360 Boy, I've got to be honest, the name of the show just becomes more and more timely as we continue.

00:01:07.040 Blake and F is with us, the increasingly popular Blake and F.

00:01:11.140 Tyler Boyer.

00:01:12.360 Hey, how we doing?

00:01:12.920 Campus Victory Project t-shirt.

00:01:15.540 And Jack Posobiec, never heard of him, but he's with our show right now.

00:01:18.940 Jack, who are you?

00:01:19.580 Wait, they sometimes typo our ad reads, so they mention this guy.

00:01:23.880 That's why we found him.

00:01:25.360 I know, Jack.

00:01:25.920 You look like something as a combination of Inception and Hell.

00:01:30.000 It looks like your background.

00:01:31.660 Exactly.

00:01:32.780 No, well, I'm in Washington, D.C.

00:01:34.780 Well, okay, so that's what you were going for.

00:01:36.540 Inception but Hell.

00:01:38.400 Okay, so everybody, this is Thought Crimes.

00:01:40.340 The reason why this show becomes more and more timely is that this indictment right here, Blake, you've read it multiple times.

00:01:48.580 I've read it twice.

00:01:50.100 Tyler, you've read it as well.

00:01:51.820 And Jack, I know you've gone through it.

00:01:53.680 This, actually, the center of this is thought crimes.

00:01:55.760 Is that fair, Jack Posobiec?

00:01:57.340 Donald Trump thought things that you were not allowed to think.

00:02:01.220 Well, not only did he think them, but he had the even far greater audacity and criminal intent, mens rea, as we say in the biz,

00:02:13.360 to actually speak his thought crimes publicly at one point, believe it or not, from a microphone in front of the White House.

00:02:24.620 And not only did he speak these unlawful opinions publicly, he even apparently shared them privately.

00:02:33.300 He shared them with, you know, people that you're not allowed to discuss legal strategy with, like lawyers, right, of course, because that's illegal now, too.

00:02:41.380 In fact, all of these things that he did, like cite laws and precedent and hold speeches and have opinions, those are all illegal now.

00:02:49.840 Because we named this show, what is this, episode seven, episode eight, something.

00:02:54.320 So about two months into the show here, we said we're going to call the show.

00:02:57.800 It's an incredibly –

00:02:59.340 And there we go.

00:03:00.500 It is a – it's a very appropriately timed show.

00:03:04.280 So, Blake, I mean, look, you're hyperdrive normie, right?

00:03:07.740 So you don't engage in any of the, you know, let's say tribal talk that Blake Tyler and I do, right?

00:03:14.300 You're just on team whatever, you know, is the most normal explanation.

00:03:17.960 But, Blake, you're the one that's like, this is insane.

00:03:20.160 It's completely nuts.

00:03:21.520 Like, you know, I've certainly had a lot of criticism.

00:03:23.640 We've even discussed, you know, the other indictment where I'm like, okay, whatever else, this was totally avoidable.

00:03:28.280 This one, this is bad.

00:03:29.720 And, like, you don't – it's not a matter of whether you think, like, any of the fraud claims are accurate or not.

00:03:35.020 What it literally is is they're basically saying Trump committed a crime by asserting that he believed in them.

00:03:41.060 And they're like, we can read his mind.

00:03:42.420 He didn't really believe this.

00:03:43.460 This was knowingly false.

00:03:44.700 They use the phrase, like, knowingly false probably 50 times in that indictment.

00:03:49.580 And it's just over and over again.

00:03:51.220 What it will be is it will just be like, well, you know, Trump's lawyer, this one lawyer, told him that this was not true.

00:03:56.460 And so after he's been told this, that means it's knowingly false that he said that.

00:03:59.820 Well, no, they don't talk about who else told him these things, who else was Trump listening to, like, what – who was giving these narratives to Trump that he was deciding to believe this.

00:04:09.040 And literally they just decided to criminalize that Trump chose to believe one person over another person.

00:04:14.400 So, Blake, we have the indictment here, and I'll hand it to you, and I want you to find some examples.

00:04:18.200 But can you cite some examples of that?

00:04:20.040 Because I just – I'm sure you have the indictment for you.

00:04:22.020 And so, Tyler, do you want to chime in here before I go back to Jack on this?

00:04:25.180 Because, I mean, this indictment is multifaceted, but let's talk about the political side, right?

00:04:29.740 You're like the great political mind of the generation.

00:04:31.880 Part of the RNC actually cares about it.

00:04:33.960 The politics of this is flummoxing to people.

00:04:36.720 You know the base really well.

00:04:38.040 Donald Trump's getting more popular since these indictments have gone down.

00:04:40.780 Yeah, I mean, look – well, let's take that first part.

00:04:43.340 So, everything that happens to Donald Trump – and this is starting all the way back to 2015.

00:04:48.000 Every attack that is made on Donald Trump from either the establishment or from the left increases his popularity.

00:04:56.100 And it makes their job harder.

00:04:57.820 So, it's like crazy that we're still here and that they're going to the – it's like every time they keep leveling up.

00:05:03.740 So, you know, I call it like the Wile E. Coyote type stuff, right, which is that the Wile E. Coyote is trying to do something more, like, more insidious every time.

00:05:14.200 And the Roadrunner still, like, outruns him.

00:05:16.940 So, that's kind of where we've been politically since 2015 and Donald Trump.

00:05:21.060 And it seems like nothing works.

00:05:21.960 Yeah, I mean, so, Tyler, help me make sense of this.

00:05:23.880 And this is a tangent while Blake finds the examples of this.

00:05:26.080 Actually, I've just got it right here.

00:05:27.820 Like, on the same page.

00:05:28.740 This is just talking about the state of Wisconsin.

00:05:31.280 That same day, in response to the court decision that had prompted the Wisconsin governor to sign a certificate of final determination,

00:05:37.720 the defendant, Trump, issued a tweet repeating his knowingly false claim of election fraud

00:05:43.540 and demanding that the Wisconsin legislature overturn the election results.

00:05:46.960 Then, two paragraphs later, on January 6th, 2021, the defendant publicly repeated knowingly false claims

00:05:54.240 that there had been tens of thousands of unlawful votes.

00:05:56.940 January 6th.

00:05:57.440 That means they're charging for something he said in his speech at the White House.

00:06:00.560 Well, yeah, and so, I couldn't disagree more with this.

00:06:04.920 I've spent a lot of private time with President Trump.

00:06:07.360 He believes this.

00:06:08.320 Yeah.

00:06:08.700 You could think he's off the wall on it and all this.

00:06:10.720 I think he's on to something more so than not.

00:06:12.780 But you're allowed to believe things that are not mainstream.

00:06:16.080 You're allowed to be delusional.

00:06:17.820 This is the country.

00:06:19.440 You could think he was Napoleon, and it would be insane for them to charge him.

00:06:22.820 But, Blake, let's just play devil's advocate.

00:06:24.840 What are we missing here?

00:06:25.700 How is the regime framing this?

00:06:27.960 What's the crime here?

00:06:29.320 The regime frame...

00:06:30.500 If you were to, like, say, Blake, play devil's advocate, how could you possibly spend that?

00:06:36.200 You know what I think it is?

00:06:37.760 Not to interject here.

00:06:38.700 But the same way that they...

00:06:41.160 And this is, like, kind of a more pertinent thing that we've seen in, like, real society.

00:06:45.980 That speech is not protected.

00:06:48.640 And this is the case when people commit suicide, for example.

00:06:52.440 Is that if you talk someone into suicide or say something enough that it causes them to commit suicide, you can be held liable.

00:06:58.760 So I think what their angle that they're trying to do is this is in that same vein that President Trump knows better.

00:07:07.580 He knew the truth.

00:07:08.700 He knows the facts.

00:07:10.100 And he was still pushing people to do things that were driving them insane.

00:07:15.040 And all these people went insane.

00:07:17.080 You know, normal people went insane doing things that they normally wouldn't do because of Donald Trump's rhetoric.

00:07:23.540 They didn't so far.

00:07:24.620 They might be planning to do this.

00:07:25.840 There are signs they do.

00:07:26.660 But they currently haven't charged him with, like, incitement to insurrection.

00:07:31.920 They do have conspiracy, if you look on the front here.

00:07:34.820 Conspiracy against rights.

00:07:35.880 Conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding.

00:07:37.760 And that conspiracy against rights.

00:07:39.500 So the conspiracy against rights is the crazy one.

00:07:41.860 Because what they're basically saying is, by repeating all of his knowingly false claims about the election,

00:07:48.460 that he's destroying people's right to vote.

00:07:50.680 That people have the right to vote and have their vote be counted.

00:07:53.900 And he's delegitimizing the election with his scheme.

00:07:57.640 And they do have, there are certain quotes in here.

00:08:00.660 Like, you know, if you listen to someone for three months, you'll probably get a bad quote out of them.

00:08:05.320 But they did get those quotes.

00:08:06.820 Where, like, he's, you know, he's pushing Pence, for example, to go along with their idea for January 6th,

00:08:13.020 when they're counting, you know, say that there's a dispute and we can't count them yet.

00:08:16.540 And there's a point where he basically says, like, you're too honest, Mike, is what he supposedly says to Mike Pence while they're on the phone.

00:08:25.140 And, you know, they're framing this as, like, Trump knew this was all a lie and was just running a really aggressive shtick of fraud because he wanted to remain president.

00:08:33.120 And there's a few examples.

00:08:36.340 They have to really stretch it because, like, there's cases where they say that, like, a person will say, like, you know,

00:08:41.140 we have a lot of theories but not a lot of proof yet or whatever.

00:08:44.360 And they're like, well, that proves they knew it was false.

00:08:46.420 I think it's much more, like, these people very strongly.

00:08:50.200 They said that to Arizona, actually.

00:08:51.100 They very strongly believe it because, but, you know, they're kind of vibe readers.

00:08:54.780 Trump is very much a vibe guy.

00:08:56.300 Like, he just believes the fraud.

00:08:57.920 So, Jack, I want to get you in on here.

00:09:00.380 You've read the indictment.

00:09:02.600 What?

00:09:03.620 So, I mean, a lot of people listening to this podcast are not into this.

00:09:06.700 They'll hear our rather forceful explanations of this.

00:09:09.300 And they might be tempted to be like, oh, Charlie, Jack, and Blake, and Tyler, you guys are partisan actors.

00:09:14.280 You're over-exaggerating.

00:09:15.200 But, Jack, even from the most sober reading of this indictment, they're criminalizing disagreement that you can't look at an election and see something differently.

00:09:25.700 Charlie, Charlie, at one point in here, in one of the page number, it's section 44, but it says, December 4th, after four Republican leaders, I got the citation.

00:09:37.880 You're going to love this.

00:09:39.240 The leaders of the Pennsylvania legislature issued a public statement that the assembly lacked the opportunity to overturn the popular vote.

00:09:46.060 Doing so would violate the code.

00:09:47.520 And then the defendant retweeted a post labeling the legislators coward, period.

00:09:56.460 So, they were actually going through President Trump's retweet on his Twitter timeline.

00:10:03.120 This is before he was suspended.

00:10:04.480 So, this was December.

00:10:05.360 He was suspended the next month after January 6th.

00:10:09.520 They're using retweets calling somebody a coward, which, guess what, you know, you may not like that.

00:10:17.040 You may say it's repugnant.

00:10:18.280 You may say that, well, I don't want a president who talks that way.

00:10:20.660 You might be, you know, part of the sort of Never Trump National Review crowd and saying, I think it's all reprehensible.

00:10:26.100 No president should ever act this way.

00:10:27.460 But calling somebody a coward or retweeting someone, calling someone a coward, is not criminal.

00:10:35.840 And it should never be used as evidence of criminality.

00:10:40.040 And I think that's what Blake is getting to here, that there's no criminal intent.

00:10:44.880 What you see is somebody who is essentially trying to use a process.

00:10:50.100 Now, you can make all sorts of arguments about, was the process, you know, followed correctly?

00:10:54.660 Was he, you know, was he doing things the proper way, et cetera, et cetera?

00:10:59.560 But those are all process questions.

00:11:02.060 The point is, he's trying to follow a process.

00:11:05.080 And by the way, and this is going to come up in court, he was acting on the advice council the entire time.

00:11:11.160 And count one really stands out to me, too, I want to say.

00:11:14.020 It's this conspiracy to defraud the United States.

00:11:16.980 And the framing is, they use the fraudulent over and over again.

00:11:19.960 And on page 22 of this here, in section 54, they have the December 9th memorandum, which the prosecutor calls the fraudulent elector instructions.

00:11:29.740 That is what they are officially labeled in court documents.

00:11:32.440 Where they're saying, like, this whole scheme is to, like, they're trying to trick Mike Pence.

00:11:39.920 Like, they're going to send in this, like, sheet of paper and be like, this is a trick on him.

00:11:44.260 And, like, that's not true.

00:11:47.020 But also, I mean, this was all, this was not a mystery leading up to this, though.

00:11:50.780 In the indictment, they have, and then Donald Trump sent out a tweet.

00:11:54.300 Let's see what Mike Pence does.

00:11:55.900 He has a chance.

00:11:56.460 I mean, I just, I know that this is not the best defense.

00:11:59.660 But I think just from a layman's perspective, if you're launching a conspiracy against the United States, you're not live tweeting it.

00:12:06.420 You're not like, let's see what Mike does.

00:12:08.700 Like, wow, there's some secret plan.

00:12:10.320 Like, you were being honest the whole time.

00:12:14.000 Well, Charlie, Charlie, they do this thing.

00:12:16.520 I'll just say, because they bring it up all the time, and I'm in the clip.

00:12:20.200 The January 6th hearing brought up this clip where it's Steve Bannon, it's War Room, it's January 5th, and he had this line about all hell's going to break blue.

00:12:29.180 Okay.

00:12:29.940 I'm sitting there right next to him.

00:12:31.660 I think Raheem Kassam's in the room.

00:12:33.960 And all hell's going to break blue.

00:12:36.620 This is the line.

00:12:37.300 And then they play that, and they juxtapose it with, like, the worst footage you can find of January 6th.

00:12:42.300 As if Steve Bannon and me and Raheem are behind there going like, yeah, yeah, now do this, now do this, you know, prodding it all along.

00:12:51.220 When, if you actually go back and listen to any of those episodes of War Room where, you know, we were doing for, on January 5th and January 4th and January 3rd and January 2nd, etc., it was all about holding a debate, literally holding a debate on the floor of the Senate to discuss all of these things.

00:13:11.920 A debate which, by the way, and it has to be brought up, that Mike Pence said multiple times, including Charlie, at a turning point event.

00:13:20.840 Well, that's a good segue.

00:13:21.380 That's a good segue.

00:13:22.420 At a turning point event.

00:13:23.800 So, Tyler is the one.

00:13:25.380 You see, Tyler's the one that on memory hold this.

00:13:28.020 And I was, I think I was sick of the dog during this.

00:13:30.560 That's a whole different comment.

00:13:31.400 I mean, you remember that, Tyler?

00:13:32.380 I was not.

00:13:32.960 I remember that.

00:13:34.040 I remember that.

00:13:35.040 Yes.

00:13:35.260 I was not in a good place.

00:13:36.620 Super spreader galore.

00:13:37.480 But, fun things happen.

00:13:40.340 Super spreader.

00:13:42.340 And, I was not.

00:13:44.620 Probably gave us all COVID.

00:13:46.160 Or did you give me COVID?

00:13:48.000 That's the real thing.

00:13:48.780 No, no, that was, no, no, no.

00:13:50.140 That was, you're thinking of 2020.

00:13:51.600 I gave you COVID in 2022.

00:13:53.500 That was different.

00:13:54.000 But, I don't even know if what I had if it was COVID because it was way too intense to be COVID.

00:13:57.520 It was a weird.

00:13:58.580 It was a.

00:13:58.960 I had, like, stomach issues.

00:14:00.120 We got a biobomb.

00:14:01.240 We got a specific batch.

00:14:02.100 Just for Charlie Kirk.

00:14:03.160 It targeted your DNA.

00:14:04.120 We got a biobomb.

00:14:04.320 50% of TPSA events get biobombed.

00:14:08.300 It's like, right?

00:14:10.820 We have all the.

00:14:11.200 We found out.

00:14:11.740 Now we're sounding.

00:14:13.560 Now we're sounding like libs.

00:14:14.820 Just like, I can't go to any event.

00:14:16.280 It's super spreader.

00:14:16.940 No.

00:14:17.180 It's not a big deal.

00:14:18.600 Everything causes disease.

00:14:20.160 I'm going to say that I'm being facetious and joking.

00:14:23.520 But, I do have lots of weird jet streams over my house all the time.

00:14:26.980 So, I don't know.

00:14:27.760 Oh, yeah.

00:14:28.100 I mean, you do.

00:14:29.000 Chemtrails.

00:14:30.060 Chemtrails.

00:14:30.260 I'm not going to call them anything, Blake.

00:14:32.700 Yes.

00:14:32.980 Because it's going to get clipped.

00:14:33.840 I'm not going to call him anything.

00:14:34.900 I've titled the fluoride levels in my water.

00:14:37.080 So, okay.

00:14:38.140 So, you've.

00:14:38.800 Go ahead.

00:14:39.320 I just want to say this one thing.

00:14:40.820 So, this will lead it to this.

00:14:42.560 Mike Pence from about.

00:14:44.240 I mean, this wasn't mystery information, all right?

00:14:47.400 The entire movement.

00:14:48.860 There was an entire public debate about what could Mike Pence do or not do.

00:14:54.360 And it officialized in mid-December when most of the electors were sent by most of the states.

00:14:59.960 This is the important point.

00:15:00.780 From all across the country.

00:15:02.280 So, this wasn't like.

00:15:03.400 So, all the electors were sent.

00:15:04.800 They have to be sent federally, by federal statute, right?

00:15:08.660 By what's required by the Constitution.

00:15:11.800 All the electors have to be sent in the beginning of December.

00:15:17.120 I can't remember the exact date.

00:15:18.000 I think it's like December 11th or something.

00:15:19.380 I think it was 11th or 13th.

00:15:20.500 It's a specific date ahead of inauguration.

00:15:22.760 And so, this was not just questionable information.

00:15:28.920 This was all going on.

00:15:29.840 And so, Mike Pence shows up to our event.

00:15:31.620 And he's in the middle of just like, you know, riling everybody up.

00:15:35.660 I would even argue.

00:15:36.960 Like, I think his speech riled more people up in December than I ever heard Donald Trump riling people up.

00:15:42.840 So, we get the vice president to come to our Turning Point USA event.

00:15:46.140 There is just so much crap around this event.

00:15:48.220 However, this was the notable quotable.

00:15:50.240 And I forgot about this.

00:15:51.220 Tyler, in our group chat a couple days ago.

00:15:52.600 It was like, hey, memory hole.

00:15:53.660 This thing has disappeared.

00:15:55.480 Mike Pence was playing into it.

00:15:57.220 Like, here's the thing.

00:15:58.740 What Tyler's getting at, if I could add my own, you know, wording of it.

00:16:02.800 Mike Pence was playing to the crowd.

00:16:04.760 Mike Pence was leaning in this idea, stringing out the drama.

00:16:09.460 If Mike Pence was the stoic, I don't have the power to do this.

00:16:12.440 Well, Mike Pence, you could have went to the Turning Point event.

00:16:14.540 Guys, I want to manage your expectations.

00:16:16.540 Nothing on January 6th is going to happen.

00:16:17.840 I'm a glorified envelope opener, right?

00:16:20.420 He was playing into the drama.

00:16:22.360 He was stretching this out.

00:16:23.640 This is one of his few public addresses.

00:16:25.280 People don't remember this.

00:16:26.120 Very few.

00:16:26.600 Very few.

00:16:27.000 Very few between the election and January.

00:16:28.340 This got clipped everywhere.

00:16:29.740 I remember what he gave it.

00:16:30.460 I was in the room.

00:16:31.760 People were going crazy.

00:16:32.840 No, and so people forget this because then we'll contrast this with, you know, Mike Pence

00:16:36.560 in front of the John Deere dealership, you know, which is him with Martha McCallum where

00:16:40.080 he's like, I'm nothing more than a glorified envelope opener, which, by the way, might be

00:16:43.680 constitutionally true.

00:16:44.680 Not my thing.

00:16:45.460 Blake thinks that's true.

00:16:46.440 I don't know.

00:16:47.100 John Eastman disagrees.

00:16:48.160 Not my shtick.

00:16:49.140 I'll stick to my lane.

00:16:50.440 However, Mike Pence, listen to the tone of Mike Pence here.

00:16:52.820 He's playing into this.

00:16:53.760 He's going full out enthusiasm, vim and vigor.

00:16:56.860 He's playing to the crowd, raising expectations.

00:17:00.360 He created his own political grave is the point I'm making.

00:17:03.240 Play cut 98.

00:17:05.080 And as our election contest continues, I'll make you a promise.

00:17:11.240 We're going to keep fighting until every legal vote is counted.

00:17:15.760 We're going to keep fighting until every illegal vote is thrown out.

00:17:20.920 We're going to win Georgia.

00:17:22.280 We're going to save America and we'll never stop fighting to make America great again.

00:17:28.500 You lost.

00:17:29.120 Now, in his defense, he means the Georgia runoff.

00:17:32.240 OK, he doesn't mean with Trump.

00:17:34.420 But if you listen to that, his intensity, he's he's crescendoing.

00:17:38.800 He is in great.

00:17:39.920 I mean, Blake, that's he's not playing down.

00:17:43.120 He's playing into the crowd here.

00:17:45.420 And I want to just contrast that with now stoic Mike Pence of like, no, no, no.

00:17:52.140 I never had any authority.

00:17:53.600 I never this.

00:17:54.000 And look, the essence of he was raising expectations, right?

00:17:58.660 I'm going to throw out all the illegal votes.

00:18:00.740 He says throw out it.

00:18:02.500 Not on top of that, Charlie.

00:18:03.620 I remember this speech and I don't remember exactly what he said.

00:18:06.880 And so we're pulling the clips right now.

00:18:08.280 But this again, this may be one of his only major vibe, though, guys, isn't his entire speech there.

00:18:14.340 And part of the speech right at the end.

00:18:15.920 He says something along the lines of, like, keep up the fight.

00:18:18.540 Like, don't don't quit.

00:18:19.820 I think that was the end.

00:18:21.380 I don't know.

00:18:22.560 I don't know.

00:18:22.860 There was pretty close.

00:18:23.680 He said, I mean, he said, we're going to keep fighting and all that stuff.

00:18:26.000 Now, listen to this.

00:18:26.640 This is Mike Pence.

00:18:27.460 This is Mike Pence, Martha McCallum.

00:18:30.880 What's the OK?

00:18:31.620 Cut 97 at a John Deere dealership.

00:18:35.060 Play cut 97.

00:18:37.120 Well, you say, you know, the criminal process is separate.

00:18:40.280 But put yourself on that jury for just a moment.

00:18:43.120 If you were on the jury, would you say that this defendant, the former president, had committed a crime that day?

00:18:50.560 Do you believe it rises to the level of a crime?

00:18:52.920 Well, you know, Martha, I don't know.

00:18:57.480 I mean, honestly, I don't know the full case in chief that the government has.

00:19:02.680 And, you know, I think I've said on your network many times that, you know, I don't know if taking bad advice from lawyers is is a crime.

00:19:11.200 But, you know, I would leave that legal process.

00:19:15.120 And so that's not the best clip.

00:19:16.640 But there's a much better one where he's like, you have to understand.

00:19:19.780 I don't have the authority.

00:19:20.720 I don't have this.

00:19:21.260 Like, are we on to something here?

00:19:23.040 Are we being unfair?

00:19:23.900 I think it's kind of being a bit dramatic.

00:19:26.460 Like, one, he's hyping people up for the Georgia runoff, which, you know, he's actually fighting pretty hard on.

00:19:31.960 He says every legal vote, any illegal vote will be thrown out.

00:19:34.260 Yeah.

00:19:34.540 And I would say, you know.

00:19:35.800 He's basically appointing himself referee of, like, I'm going to throw out illegal votes.

00:19:39.680 He wasn't talking about that, though.

00:19:41.180 His entire, his, there was, I'm telling you right now, the author of the month of December, people were looking at Mike Pence around this conversation.

00:19:49.680 And when he spoke, his, his conversation that he was having, he was like, guys, like Charlie said, I want to be clear.

00:19:56.760 I'm talking about Georgia.

00:19:58.020 I'm not talking about anything else.

00:19:59.080 That's not what he was doing.

00:20:00.420 Well, but, okay.

00:20:01.160 But even then, it's like, he says, in fact, his favorite line that he always said at every, every speech is like, quote from Ronald Reagan.

00:20:07.200 I'm saying, my second favorite president behind Donald Trump.

00:20:09.780 We should pull that clip.

00:20:11.020 Yeah, he says that all the time.

00:20:11.980 He says that all the time.

00:20:13.180 I mean, the dumbest stuff.

00:20:14.820 I mean, this is December.

00:20:16.100 This is, and again, Blake, just the context of this is that this man who, again, gives off, you know, there's a lot of great religious leaders.

00:20:25.400 There's a lot of bad religious leaders.

00:20:26.780 It's fake pomposity.

00:20:27.940 He seems like, yeah, he seems like he's just lying to people because he's like, my favorite president forever and ever, forever and ever, amen, will be Donald Trump.

00:20:34.920 There's all these, like, corny dad jokes, right?

00:20:36.380 All the time.

00:20:37.340 And, look, everyone has a right to change their opinion.

00:20:40.500 But, again, going back, what he's saying today was that he never was on that ship.

00:20:45.640 So, Blake.

00:20:46.420 And he was on that ship clearly in December.

00:20:48.480 Where are we wrong?

00:20:49.560 Well, I just don't think, first of all, like, what are you guys mad at Pence that he didn't do?

00:20:54.220 That he didn't, like, decide, oh, I'm going to nullify the election?

00:20:57.080 Because here's what would have happened if he'd done that, which I think is worth emphasizing.

00:21:00.320 If Mike Pence had tried to say, like, we don't know who won this election and it's in dispute, probably the Joint Chiefs were going to step into the White House with a bunch of Marines and say, Donald Trump.

00:21:10.220 Wait, they haven't done that?

00:21:11.000 Donald Trump, you have to leave.

00:21:12.640 I thought we were under, like, military government.

00:21:13.480 And then we would really be in trouble.

00:21:15.500 We are very, very, frankly, the only reason Trump is running for president right now is that he basically was told to leave then.

00:21:22.420 Otherwise, he would definitely be in prison right now.

00:21:24.200 I want to make sure it's clear.

00:21:25.240 The most extreme radical ask was to send it back to the states, not to nullify, okay?

00:21:31.500 If you read Eastman's memo, it's not sending it back to the states.

00:21:34.980 Eastman is saying that Pence could declare Trump to be president.

00:21:38.620 Even in that Martha McCallum segment, she wrote an email where he sent that on January 5th saying, like, hey, go there.

00:21:44.440 But let's pretend you're right, Blake.

00:21:45.700 Like, here's my big thing.

00:21:47.320 I think Tyler makes a really important point is that Mike Pence, and if you could find the other clip of him on McCallum, he's rewriting history.

00:21:54.340 He's like, I have no power.

00:21:55.580 I have no this.

00:21:56.760 But if that's the case, why was he setting an expectation?

00:22:01.480 Because, look, to an uninitiated audience, you say, oh, wow, this VP, they have all this power.

00:22:06.840 Well, what he said was count every legal vote and throw out every illegal vote.

00:22:10.760 And he didn't say I.

00:22:12.280 He said we, which basically to me encompasses the court system.

00:22:15.720 Let's add broader context.

00:22:16.760 The court system that you used to guess is the VP does not, like, set what is, like, being individual ballots being counted.

00:22:25.760 At best, they say he can decide between two slates of electoral votes sent to him.

00:22:29.940 That's fair.

00:22:30.440 Which I don't think you can say, take that speech we just showed and say he was referring to legal and illegal electoral votes being counted.

00:22:36.640 Do you think Pence did himself any favors in the weeks leading up to that?

00:22:39.740 I think Pence was in an impossible position.

00:22:41.840 I think nothing that – I think you guys would not be satisfied with anything Pence did other than essentially trying to nullify the election to throw it to Donald Trump.

00:22:51.020 You know what?

00:22:51.760 Let me add more context.

00:22:53.620 I'm not calling for nullification.

00:22:55.080 That is definitely what Eastman was calling for.

00:22:57.740 I'm not getting in the middle of this because –

00:22:59.080 I don't think he should go to jail.

00:23:00.060 But I think that is essentially what they were calling for.

00:23:02.200 I'm not getting in the middle of this because I'm not making comments on this for personal reasons.

00:23:05.780 But here's – let me add broader context to this.

00:23:08.360 The broader context is that Mike Pence was part of the Trump campaign.

00:23:13.060 So his legal advice that he was receiving was likely from the same source for the most part.

00:23:19.420 The people, the infrastructure that existed there throughout the campaign in the two years.

00:23:24.340 Because this is what most people need to understand.

00:23:25.880 Again, the RNC and the presidential campaign are effectively one, right?

00:23:31.480 They raise jointly.

00:23:33.860 They spend money jointly.

00:23:36.060 And so the money that was spent for legal for the RNC is almost synonymous with the money that was spent for legal by the president, which was almost synonymous with the money that was spent for Pence.

00:23:49.400 So let's – again, I'm just giving context here.

00:23:53.180 The moment Mike Pence stepped out of the White House, right, or out of the Eisenhower building, not the White House, the Eisenhower building, the moment he stepped out of his office, he did what?

00:24:05.720 He got two jobs, two really important jobs.

00:24:09.560 Job number one, to help pay bills, Heritage Foundation.

00:24:13.180 Job number two, Young America's Foundation.

00:24:16.660 Donald Trump didn't do that, right?

00:24:18.100 Donald Trump, you know, we all know has his own sources of income.

00:24:22.280 But it's important context to understand the vice president.

00:24:25.620 And I think this is important because the vice president was really, really focused on what his after-office life was going to look like immediately following that.

00:24:36.660 I don't think he was paying his own attorneys to give him advice in this moment.

00:24:41.280 I really don't.

00:24:42.320 I don't think – I think he was reliant on the system that existed.

00:24:45.660 The system is all one big system.

00:24:48.260 The RNC, the campaign, the president, the vice president.

00:24:51.260 I think Trump ignored a ton of his lawyers because he sided with the ones who were telling him that this scheme would work.

00:24:56.240 Everyone's allowed to do that.

00:24:57.280 They're definitely allowed to do that.

00:24:58.820 Blake, you can't have it both ways.

00:25:00.000 He didn't – his indictment is that he listened to his lawyers.

00:25:01.940 Bob, give me context.

00:25:02.920 He's getting –

00:25:03.420 No, no.

00:25:03.840 So I'm saying –

00:25:04.740 It's both ways.

00:25:05.320 No, what I was getting at was that Trump was getting legal advice, and then he chose to reject that advice in favor of different advice.

00:25:11.960 I just don't – I don't think –

00:25:12.940 Well, but Eastman is still legal.

00:25:14.780 He was –

00:25:15.060 He is, for sure.

00:25:15.600 I'm not disputing that.

00:25:16.520 I'm definitely not saying this is a crime.

00:25:17.760 What I'm saying is I don't think, like, the legal advice these guys are getting is super-duper relevant because it was basically choose-your-own-adventure on your legal advice.

00:25:26.700 So, Jack, let me ask you this, Jack.

00:25:29.380 From a political standpoint – and I want to play this piece of tape, you know, when you on War Room where you guys all look – you know, it's just – it's hilarious.

00:25:36.360 You've got Steve Bannon with hair down to his hip.

00:25:38.020 It's just – you know, the whole thing is like really –

00:25:40.200 This is like three months into the whole thing, right?

00:25:42.820 No, this is like you guys all look like –

00:25:44.380 Three months after the election.

00:25:44.840 It's like right out of Castaway.

00:25:46.340 It's unbelievable.

00:25:46.940 Yeah.

00:25:47.200 Like you guys are talking to volleyball.

00:25:48.440 We've been living in the War Room at this point.

00:25:50.180 Yeah.

00:25:50.600 You've got FedEx boxes everywhere.

00:25:51.980 I have made fire.

00:25:52.480 Yes.

00:25:52.960 And so it's really something.

00:25:55.520 But, Jack –

00:25:55.860 I do have the rest of that clip that Tyler was looking for.

00:25:59.680 No, no, no.

00:26:00.040 I know.

00:26:00.820 I want to just – whatever clip it is, let's get it ready.

00:26:03.760 But, Jack, is there something to this idea that Mike Pence was setting the expectation throughout the month of December, increasing the drama and playing into it?

00:26:14.580 Jack, is that a fair observation?

00:26:16.940 Probably, of course.

00:26:17.960 What Mike Pence is doing there is called pacing and leading, and it's very obvious.

00:26:24.020 So when pacing and leading is done in sales, it's done in interrogations, it's done in politics.

00:26:28.960 It's where you basically – where you find where your target is.

00:26:33.500 You go to them.

00:26:34.760 You match their energy.

00:26:36.020 And then you start walking with them, right?

00:26:38.720 So what he's doing is he's coming up and saying – and I have the actual quote right here, a great conference, a turning point.

00:26:45.220 Thank you for your support.

00:26:46.340 To the men and women of Turning Point USA, stay in the fight.

00:26:49.400 Stay in the fight for election integrity.

00:26:51.460 Stay in the fight to defend that all we've done.

00:26:53.820 He's continuing on about election integrity, and then he kind of moves off onto other subjects, talking about the administration.

00:27:01.340 But the point is, is that he's passing the signals that he's with you.

00:27:06.820 It's kind of like what Tyler has said about Ron DeSantis and others, about the two islands.

00:27:12.740 He's telling you, I'm on your island.

00:27:14.420 I'm with you.

00:27:15.100 I'm going to fight this.

00:27:16.420 He specifically says we will continue fighting until every illegal ballot is thrown out.

00:27:20.200 No, he's not talking about electorals or anything like this.

00:27:22.780 He's talking about cleaning up what was done in the state.

00:27:25.540 I think you're exactly right.

00:27:27.980 Because all the lawsuits were out there.

00:27:30.000 And he's met with a standing ovation.

00:27:32.820 So let's get to this here.

00:27:34.420 This is, you know, War Room when you guys were like an exile or something.

00:27:38.660 I don't know what.

00:27:39.220 It's just like so amazing to see.

00:27:40.960 I love it.

00:27:41.600 It's like straight out of the archives.

00:27:42.880 Play cut 99.

00:27:45.440 All hell is going to break loose tomorrow.

00:27:48.820 It's all convergent.

00:27:50.180 And now we're on, as they say, the point of attack, right?

00:27:53.180 The point of attack tomorrow.

00:27:54.980 I'll tell you this.

00:27:56.880 It's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen, okay?

00:27:59.900 It's going to be quite extraordinarily different.

00:28:02.480 And all I can say is strap in.

00:28:04.980 You have made this happen.

00:28:06.340 And tomorrow it's game day.

00:28:07.740 So strap in.

00:28:08.960 Let's get ready.

00:28:10.440 Excel the Patmos.

00:28:11.400 Yeah.

00:28:11.720 They're exiled.

00:28:12.880 First of all, the audio is all over the place.

00:28:14.760 You know, Steve hasn't had a haircut in like nine months.

00:28:17.700 Strap in.

00:28:18.500 It's going to be apocalyptic.

00:28:20.140 So, Jack, what's going on in this clip?

00:28:22.180 And why is it relevant?

00:28:25.060 And you could say, look, I stand by every word of it.

00:28:27.000 And I'm sure Steve does too.

00:28:28.020 I think I said something along the lines of it's going to be historic.

00:28:31.000 It's going to be something that the American people have never seen before, et cetera.

00:28:35.580 And again, the reason that you see that.

00:28:38.600 You're exactly.

00:28:39.780 Yeah.

00:28:39.900 Cats and dogs living together.

00:28:40.920 Mass hysteria.

00:28:42.180 That when you see the jump cuts in that clip, it's because when Steve is throwing out all those

00:28:48.520 lines in between, he's discussing exactly what I just said.

00:28:53.140 You know how I know?

00:28:53.860 Because you can see me sitting there next to him in the clip.

00:28:56.980 He's talking about having a debate.

00:28:58.720 He's talking about going through the states.

00:29:00.620 He's talking about these ballots in Pennsylvania that were counted that should never have been

00:29:04.920 counted.

00:29:05.600 He's talking about the use of the blanket at-home voting that was done in Wisconsin, et cetera,

00:29:12.880 et cetera.

00:29:13.340 And we were going through these different buckets.

00:29:15.580 And the plan was that people like Josh Hawley, people like other senators and a number of

00:29:21.440 congressmen and women were going to get up on the process through the process of January

00:29:27.440 6th and hold this debate in front of the American people for as long as it took.

00:29:35.080 Now, as we all know, history took a slightly different, slightly different path than the one

00:29:41.460 that was intended.

00:29:42.760 But that's what we're talking about in that clip.

00:29:45.400 That's what Mike Pence was talking about on January 4th.

00:29:48.780 If you play the video from that, where he says basically the exact same thing.

00:29:52.860 And that's what Mike Pence was referring to.

00:29:55.000 All right.

00:29:55.180 So let's let's play some tape here that I think is instructive.

00:29:59.420 This is one of Trump's lawyers.

00:30:01.260 I kind of like this guy.

00:30:03.040 Trump goes through lawyers like it's like we're on like season eight of the Trump lawyer stuff.

00:30:07.540 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:30:08.300 It's like the defense against the dark arts teacher.

00:30:10.800 It's unbelievable.

00:30:11.940 I mean, I like this guy.

00:30:13.440 I don't I don't know who he is.

00:30:14.840 John Lauro.

00:30:15.340 John Lauro.

00:30:15.920 I think he's he's got he's got his act together.

00:30:18.100 He's done a pretty good job.

00:30:19.100 If not, he plays a good lawyer on TV.

00:30:20.860 Play cut 61.

00:30:23.440 So at the at the end, our defense is going to be focusing on the fact that what we have

00:30:27.620 now is an administration that has criminalized the free speech and advocacy of a prior administration

00:30:33.940 during the time that there is a political election going on.

00:30:37.520 That's unprecedented.

00:30:38.920 We've never seen that in the United States in the history of the United States.

00:30:42.320 So literally what we have is an attack and really an effort to to not only criminalize,

00:30:48.480 but also censor free speech.

00:30:50.860 And continue.

00:30:51.820 Cut 101.

00:30:52.460 John Lauro with Dylan Mulvaney.

00:30:53.620 Well, those are secretaries of state who are making those changes in those states because

00:30:59.580 of the pandemic that was happening.

00:31:01.500 You talk about free speech.

00:31:02.660 Jack Smith noted Trump's right to free speech and to contest the election results.

00:31:06.920 But what he says in this indictment is that when that did not work, the defendant, your

00:31:11.640 client, pursued unlawful means of discounting legitimate votes and subverting the election

00:31:17.320 results.

00:31:18.320 And that that is why he is being charged here, not because of anything related to free speech.

00:31:22.560 Yeah, but that's factually inaccurate because the ultimate request that Mr. Trump made to

00:31:28.380 Vice President Pence was pause the vote counting, allow the states to weigh in ultimately and audit

00:31:36.840 or recertify.

00:31:37.980 And under Article 2, Section 1, Clause 2, the actual responsibility for qualifying electors

00:31:45.740 is in the state legislatures.

00:31:47.840 OK, so, Blake, that's the retort to your position.

00:31:50.860 It definitely is.

00:31:51.780 I get what they're saying.

00:31:52.900 But what I get when I bring that up is Eastman's memo does say like you can say their plan is

00:31:58.600 get it back to the states.

00:31:59.660 But as part of their gambit, their strategy is that Pence will say there is a dispute over

00:32:05.500 the electors, so we can't count either of them.

00:32:08.200 So there's a nullity.

00:32:09.660 And they're going to nullify each of these six states where they have it in.

00:32:13.720 And therefore, we only count the ones.

00:32:15.300 I've got to challenge you.

00:32:16.560 Where in the hell does the word nullification?

00:32:19.000 I think you're inserting that word.

00:32:20.700 That seems to be like.

00:32:21.680 OK, fine.

00:32:22.760 I'll use a different word.

00:32:23.980 I actually have the memo in front of me.

00:32:25.960 Let's see what it says.

00:32:26.700 Here is the scenario we propose and it will be at the end.

00:32:34.540 He announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the seven states, there are no electors

00:32:39.300 that can be deemed validly appointed in those states.

00:32:42.520 That means the total number of electors appointed is 454.

00:32:46.720 This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been advanced by Lawrence Tribe.

00:32:52.080 And then they like shout that they need 270 something.

00:32:55.300 So what you're getting at, though, is that there was this this legal opinion that the

00:32:59.480 vice president could decide to say no electors from Georgia.

00:33:02.600 Not that I'm going to pick the Trump ones.

00:33:04.460 I'm not going to open up any of them.

00:33:05.760 Like we're going to not.

00:33:07.280 It was sort of a it was sort of a heads I win, tails you lose situation.

00:33:10.840 Well, I think about it.

00:33:11.640 So what he would say is that you need 270 to win.

00:33:13.880 We understand that.

00:33:14.680 But like Wisconsin and Georgia have to win.

00:33:18.860 We're not going to count either candidates yet until we have clarity.

00:33:23.040 There's two options.

00:33:23.940 He would say either first he will say there's a dispute.

00:33:26.480 So neither counts.

00:33:27.740 And then he would say Trump would win because he would have a majority of the ones where

00:33:31.400 there was no dispute because they were only disputing states that Biden actually got in

00:33:34.980 the final count.

00:33:35.560 And then so that was plan A.

00:33:38.240 And then if they protested and said, like, you can't do that, he would say, oh, if we

00:33:42.540 need 270, then nobody wins and it goes to the House and the House has to vote.

00:33:47.000 And that was sort of the the two sides.

00:33:48.540 So I may have I may have been asked earlier and said he was going to pick the Trump.

00:33:51.660 I may have screwed up on which Trump would have won the House vote.

00:33:54.140 Well, that's why there was it goes by state.

00:33:55.660 I don't know if you would have because like it was like Liz Cheney voted for it.

00:33:58.980 Yeah, it goes by state.

00:34:00.140 We would have won 28 to 25.

00:34:01.820 I'm not even right.

00:34:02.380 I'm not 28 to whatever.

00:34:03.220 If they vote accordingly, but would Liz Cheney go for that for Wisconsin?

00:34:06.820 Wyoming.

00:34:07.480 She would have been the one vote.

00:34:08.740 She would have been the one vote.

00:34:09.400 She would decide for her.

00:34:10.500 Fascinating.

00:34:11.160 And she actually she would have been a sole decider.

00:34:13.840 And the whole delegation votes as one.

00:34:15.720 Yeah.

00:34:15.940 The whole delegation votes.

00:34:17.140 And so some you only have one.

00:34:18.160 Which has been done before.

00:34:18.740 Some it would be some it would be like you only have one for 1808 or something.

00:34:23.200 Yeah.

00:34:23.320 And then some you only have a one vote majority for the Republicans.

00:34:26.460 So one person could defect.

00:34:28.180 So so here is Mike Pence auditioning to go auction off some tractors.

00:34:33.640 Play cut 103.

00:34:37.140 And irrespective of the indictment, I want the American people to know that I had no right

00:34:41.700 to overturn the election.

00:34:43.720 And then on that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the Constitution.

00:34:47.820 But I chose the Constitution and I always will.

00:34:51.900 And I I I really do believe that anyone who puts themselves over the Constitution should

00:34:58.640 never be president of the United States.

00:35:01.100 And anyone who asks someone else to put themselves over the Constitution should never be president

00:35:05.740 of the United States again.

00:35:08.160 OK, so two things.

00:35:10.980 The immediate is we have a current regime that's putting themselves over the Constitution,

00:35:14.100 but that's a silly political point.

00:35:15.840 But no dispute there.

00:35:16.540 No dispute.

00:35:16.860 OK, good.

00:35:17.400 So but I just have to say that.

00:35:18.640 But, Blake, I want to summarize this and we'll move on to how Lizzo's a fat slob.

00:35:23.320 Just do the important issues.

00:35:25.800 This this false dichotomy where Pence keeps on saying overturn, overturn.

00:35:31.360 I don't see any evidence that Donald Trump said the words overturned, wanted things overturned.

00:35:37.660 It seems as if they wanted clarity from the states.

00:35:40.160 What am I missing?

00:35:41.320 I think I think that is very bluntly.

00:35:44.800 I think Trump authentically thought he won and I think he was he was truthfully searching

00:35:51.300 for a way to make himself win the election.

00:35:54.180 I don't think there was additional information they were reasonably going to extract at that

00:35:59.320 point that would change the outcome.

00:36:01.060 And like what is unfortunate about this is that I think Trump was guided along by people who were, frankly, very delusional during this period,

00:36:10.280 where it would be one thing to argue that like the election was very shady, like like focus on like signature verification.

00:36:16.880 And you're like, Pennsylvania laws unconstitutional.

00:36:19.720 Yeah, you could you could focus on that.

00:36:21.640 And one of the part of the problem is, I think by that point, the legal challenge there had failed.

00:36:25.340 Like that's what a lot of the Supreme Court stuff was about.

00:36:27.740 Right.

00:36:28.140 And instead, they just got very fixated on like these very wild claims about, you know, tens of thousands of dead people voting.

00:36:34.800 And it just as you know, as when, you know, people are pointing this out to him, I'm not saying Trump was required to believe this or that it was a crime for him not to believe it.

00:36:43.900 But I do think that in the realm of factual reality, that the people advising Trump otherwise were correct, that there were not these hundreds of thousands of obviously illegal votes that was being pushed by delusional people who also thought, you know, there were bamboo ballots and all sorts of strange, strange things going on that.

00:37:01.220 It is. But I think this was talking about those votes in Pennsylvania, those votes in Wisconsin that were that were counted beyond the constitutional deadline, the laws that essentially allowed for or they weren't even laws, by the way, they were orders that were sent down in Wisconsin, orders that were made unilaterally by Pennsylvania secretary of state in contrivance of Pennsylvania state law.

00:37:23.500 Well, I get that. I get that. But they had a lot of angles for contesting that legally.

00:37:27.340 And I do think by the time where we're getting mad at Pence for not going along with this, that their legal avenues had been exhausted.

00:37:35.400 And that might stink. That might think the courts are rigging it against us.

00:37:39.300 But that's not the issue. The issue is that January 6th, you know, it's funny saying that way, because when you say January 6th, it sounds like I'm invoking what happened at the Capitol.

00:37:49.360 But the issue is that January 6th was supposed to be the legal mechanism whereby in the Congress and Pence as in his duty.

00:37:57.780 Yeah, we never actually had it. We actually never had our actually go through that.

00:38:01.260 Yeah. We never actually had our congressional time because the building was evacuated because of all the right, the riot, which in some ways.

00:38:09.040 Well, I'll be clear. It wasn't that they couldn't do it because they evacuated.

00:38:12.860 It's because after they did this, the people saying they would do it kind of lost interest.

00:38:18.620 Understandably, that's a reality.

00:38:20.580 You kind of deflate a little bit when you got 5,000 people that just go.

00:38:23.880 But I think that's an important reality that I think it gets to the fact that the people doing this, at least the congressman talking about this, they were not serious individuals.

00:38:32.260 They were going to make a protest that they knew would fail because they wanted to, like, make a gesture of loyalty towards Trump and, you know, show that they were, like, really standing with the base.

00:38:42.300 But they were not serious people. And I think that is what is unfortunate about this is a lot of people – I think Trump genuinely believed this could occur.

00:38:50.720 People like Eastman genuinely believed this could occur.

00:38:52.960 But I think a lot of people allowed it to be pushed along and enabled when they knew it would not end the way these people were predicting because they essentially – they were basically egging these people on for their own political gain.

00:39:05.540 And I don't think that's a crime. I don't think they were planning anything super bad.

00:39:11.660 But I do think it reflected poorly on them. And they were – you know, they were kind of doing what we're accusing Pence of doing here.

00:39:18.600 They were hyping people up for political gain. And it ended – in this case, it ended really, really badly in a way that I think was avoidable and bad for all the issues that all of us care about.

00:39:27.880 Well, here's the one – again, I'm just adding context to the political side of all this.

00:39:35.600 The thing to understand is that simultaneous to all this, you had a majority of Republicans in the House of Representatives who were wanting to step up on behalf of specific states.

00:39:47.220 One of the states in question would be ours in Arizona, where that became one of the first, you know, on the floor, right, when they –

00:39:58.220 Because it's alphabetical.

00:39:59.620 Yeah, it's alphabetical. And so, again, there's this greater context.

00:40:04.140 And I think this goes into, like, what Charlie's saying, which I think is true, which is that – and what you said, too, which is that Trump believes that there were issues in the election.

00:40:12.380 There are now about 50% of the population in Arizona – they've done recent polls – half the citizens of the state of Arizona believe that we have massive issues with our elections.

00:40:26.100 And 2022 didn't help, right, because there were lines, you know, for miles at the polling places.

00:40:33.200 So people know and are aware that we have massive issues happening.

00:40:37.180 Trump – I guess what's being said is that Trump is saying these things because he believes them.

00:40:41.260 Well, and this is a perfect way to end this topic. You'll love this, Tyler.

00:40:44.920 Go ahead. No, this is it. Cut 104. This is Donald Trump's legal defense through and through in 13 seconds. Play Cut 104.

00:40:55.000 Jerry, just remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

00:41:05.020 And with that, we rest our case.

00:41:07.060 How did we get that camera? How did we get it inside the Oval Office?

00:41:11.260 Mr. President, remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

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00:42:13.100 So you get indicted for the third or fourth time.

00:42:16.540 Who are you having dinner with?

00:42:18.020 Maybe your wife, your family, your friends.

00:42:20.440 No. Donald Trump was having dinner with the executives of Fox News trying to woo him into the presidential debate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

00:42:31.600 Jack Posobiec, should Donald Trump debate?

00:42:35.220 So, you know, Charlie, I go back and forth on it because, look, you can sit there with this sort of political analysis, calculation, operative hat on and say,

00:42:46.260 well, if he's at 50% plus in many of these early states or 30 points, 40 points up in some areas, even nationwide higher, then, you know, you say you're already at a ceiling.

00:42:57.280 The rest of the candidates combined can't defeat you.

00:42:59.320 So why would you go debate and give them an opportunity?

00:43:01.960 Because the calculus being that you can't go up much higher, whereas you could go down and you could give them an opportunity to go up.

00:43:08.840 But at the same time, Charlie, I went on Don Jr. a couple of weeks ago when I was down in West Palm for 20 point action.

00:43:16.180 And I said, you know what, though?

00:43:18.340 There's something about Donald Trump.

00:43:20.440 When he goes to these debates, he just dominates, dominate the headspace, dominates the headline, dominates up there.

00:43:27.720 And it was through his ability to just headshot these neocons left and right in 2015, 2016.

00:43:36.640 That's a reference to the great can't stump the Trump videos of the time, which President Trump infamously retweeted volume four,

00:43:45.180 which included the the incredibly rare Pepe Trump, by the way, back when it happened,

00:43:51.540 that that's really what gave him his renown early on and said that he was a serious politician.

00:43:58.940 And I think he'd still have been at single digits had he not done it.

00:44:02.300 So I guess I would say maybe sit out the first one, because I get what he's saying, that it's kind of like the JV squad.

00:44:09.160 You know, it's the VP candidates.

00:44:10.600 But you got to get up on that stage.

00:44:12.440 You have to.

00:44:13.160 Well, I mean, so he doesn't have to do anything.

00:44:14.640 He'll win the nomination no matter what.

00:44:16.140 And he's up like 40 points in Iowa.

00:44:18.420 Tyler, should you debate about the general?

00:44:19.900 Well, I mean, what about what about the general?

00:44:22.540 I mean, whatever.

00:44:23.160 I mean, but in terms of the general, you got to win independence, right?

00:44:27.140 You're I don't think you're going to win independence getting in a shouting match with Chris Christie.

00:44:31.260 I don't think that I don't think you don't think that he has the ability to break out in one of these events and eat Chris Christie,

00:44:37.500 literally, figuratively use his head off.

00:44:39.560 Well, I mean, independents are like, yeah, I want that.

00:44:42.020 So let me hear you out.

00:44:42.900 So, Jack, you're a big MAGA guy.

00:44:44.240 So let me challenge you on this.

00:44:45.620 I had a phone call with a top DeSantis donor and he said, Charlie, the whole plan right now,

00:44:49.900 for Ron DeSantis, he said, is the debate.

00:44:52.280 We're going all in.

00:44:53.320 He said, we need Trump on that stage.

00:44:55.380 Maybe not the first debate or the second debate.

00:44:57.320 Is that a risk worth taking?

00:44:58.560 You have DeSantis' people telling you that their bailout strategy to make this a race.

00:45:02.480 I know exactly what DeSantis is going to do on that stage.

00:45:03.840 They're telling me that their way to viability is to get Trump on that stage.

00:45:08.200 Why would he do it?

00:45:09.680 I can tell you exactly what DeSantis is going to do on that stage.

00:45:12.500 He's going to sit there and he's going to do the same thing that Dave Rubin did when he was on your show.

00:45:16.420 And he's going to pull out like a little quote and be like,

00:45:19.020 aha, on January 4th of 2020, Dr. Fauci said this and then you said this and that was positive.

00:45:26.940 But on January 5th, Ron DeSantis, and it's going to come across as awkward.

00:45:31.380 It's going to come across as boring and creepy.

00:45:34.020 And Trump is going to make some face out of being and just be like,

00:45:37.800 Fauci's a loser and I'd brush him the chance I get to get in.

00:45:41.180 And everyone's going to laugh because they don't know how to debate.

00:45:44.780 And I could say this publicly freely because I'm not even worried because Ron DeSantis doesn't have it in him.

00:45:50.960 He doesn't have that gear to be able to get out of this sort of legally debate.

00:45:55.740 But this is the brilliance of Trump.

00:45:58.140 Let's say I have been told Trump is not going to debate.

00:46:00.940 But the way he's acting, I've seen this show before.

00:46:04.840 But this is how smart Trump is.

00:46:07.120 The only thing we're talking about now is the mystery of whether or not Trump will debate.

00:46:11.140 So he gets like multiple weeks of headlines.

00:46:13.160 Will he won't he?

00:46:13.860 Will he won't he?

00:46:14.780 And it's like he just loves it.

00:46:16.100 You have to come to Bedminster.

00:46:17.640 You have to woo me.

00:46:19.220 You know, and you have to talk about how much I'm up in the polls.

00:46:22.180 I mean, I have to say it's brilliant, Blake.

00:46:25.040 I mean, it's political gamesmanship.

00:46:27.060 It's like nobody else gets any airtime.

00:46:29.360 And now we're not even talking about the debate.

00:46:31.260 We're talking about whether or not the frontrunner will show up at the debate.

00:46:34.060 Even if he's committed or not committed, this is ridiculously smart.

00:46:38.120 It's just insanely like Trump is all about dominance in politics.

00:46:41.240 Yes.

00:46:41.660 This is how you dominate.

00:46:42.360 The idea is you just dominate the headspace.

00:46:43.680 Will the beast be in the room or not?

00:46:44.820 Beforehand.

00:46:45.220 Yeah.

00:46:45.520 Beforehand.

00:46:45.940 It's like, will he show up?

00:46:47.380 Then like, I know.

00:46:48.280 He's going to probably like 30 minutes before be like, my plane is circling over Wisconsin.

00:46:52.620 Will I land?

00:46:53.620 Yeah.

00:46:53.960 Yeah.

00:46:54.380 Just like, you know, announce he's going to come.

00:46:56.320 Where am I going?

00:46:57.540 I'm like, wheels up.

00:46:58.960 Where am I going?

00:46:59.720 No, like he should honestly be like, literally fly around the debate.

00:47:02.360 No, wheels up.

00:47:03.580 Where am I going?

00:47:04.740 You like, you bully them so hard that they try to like show stuff and they finally are

00:47:08.160 like, you're, you're mean, you're banned from the debate.

00:47:10.160 And he's like, I would have showed up.

00:47:11.540 They banned me from the debate.

00:47:12.580 No, that's what he should totally do.

00:47:13.780 He's like, flies over Milwaukee airspace.

00:47:16.400 He should just like do a live stream, like reacting to the debate and like just have it

00:47:20.640 be all memes made by his like fans.

00:47:23.560 So smart.

00:47:24.520 I think it's a mistake.

00:47:26.180 I think it's a mistake if you're a Trump supporter, because I've talked to these other

00:47:28.980 camps and they want him on the stage.

00:47:30.720 The other camps are the who wants it the most.

00:47:32.780 It's not Fox News or the RNC.

00:47:34.500 They are begging, begging to be have Trump on there.

00:47:39.880 Jack, you were going to finish a thought.

00:47:42.280 Well, there is there is another option, Charlie, that I think that could potentially thread the

00:47:46.400 needle here.

00:47:47.200 And that's kind of what we're we've already started saying.

00:47:50.140 Why not just counter program it?

00:47:52.060 Right.

00:47:52.260 So you can counter program it.

00:47:54.320 He does an event with Tucker.

00:47:56.760 I mean, imagine Trump and Tucker just watching the debate and commented on it in live stream.

00:48:01.780 It might actually get more ratings.

00:48:03.880 And I actually I would know it would get higher ratings than the debate itself that they were

00:48:07.700 doing.

00:48:09.480 He should absolutely not go to the debate.

00:48:11.940 There's no question about it.

00:48:13.980 And I'm going to make this as forceful as possible.

00:48:16.360 And I want to add the political background of this.

00:48:19.100 Because the person who's been assigned to running the debates for the RNC is someone that's

00:48:26.380 supposed to be super friendly to President Trump.

00:48:29.620 Well, we won't even talk about, you know, who that is.

00:48:33.460 It's pointless.

00:48:34.180 But the point is, the fact that Trump's not that's even considering not showing up to

00:48:38.740 the debates is a massive embarrassment on the behalf of the RNC.

00:48:42.620 I remember the RNC.

00:48:43.680 I'm ticked off.

00:48:44.840 I'm ticked off so much that the RNC is fumbled.

00:48:47.580 You know, because, again, remember, the RNC got out of the commission, the nonprofit that

00:48:54.480 was run by liberals so we could run our own debates.

00:48:58.080 They immediately went to Fox.

00:49:00.520 Fox then stumbled, fired Tucker, which is like the worst thing possible for the conservative

00:49:06.360 movement.

00:49:06.680 Nobody trusts Fox right now.

00:49:07.860 Nobody likes Fox.

00:49:09.780 Harmeet Dillon, who ran against the chair, is not even appearing on Fox.

00:49:14.120 Fox, she's Tucker's lawyer.

00:49:16.480 She's also a, you know, a blessing to the movement.

00:49:20.420 But we have this movement now where the most of the conservative movement does not support

00:49:24.180 Fox.

00:49:25.560 And so that's the primary sponsor of the debate.

00:49:29.020 They went out and got Young America's Foundation, who we know well, they hate us.

00:49:33.560 We don't care about them.

00:49:34.640 They hate us because they said they were doing all these things for the conservative movement

00:49:38.740 for years after Reagan's death.

00:49:41.020 Turns out they were just using Ronald Reagan's name to raise money.

00:49:44.940 In fact, most of you are listening.

00:49:46.480 You may be sending money to Ronald Reagan's ranch, not realizing you're sending money to

00:49:52.520 Young America's Foundation.

00:49:53.900 Which pays for Mike Pence.

00:49:54.840 Which pays for Mike Pence because, and I put this tweet out, which is Mike Pence ran out

00:50:00.660 of the Eisenhower building after being VP to get a multi-hundreds of thousands of dollars

00:50:07.140 a year from Young America's Foundation, which is fine, whatever, that's fine.

00:50:12.460 But they're a Pence organization.

00:50:14.940 They have on their payroll Mike Pence, effectively.

00:50:18.900 That is the co-sponsor that the RNC thought would be smart as a person who's running for

00:50:25.380 president, is an organization that employs one of the candidates running for president.

00:50:31.100 People would go, you know how crazy it would be if we paid Donald Trump, which we don't.

00:50:35.760 Donald Trump's never asked to dine from us, by the way.

00:50:38.320 But if we paid Donald Trump as an employee of Turning Point USA, do you know what kind

00:50:42.700 of levels of crazy would come out of the establishment if it came out that Turning Point action, because

00:50:48.980 we would never have our C3 co-sponsor a debate, but Turning Point action sponsored a debate?

00:50:54.240 People would go crazy.

00:50:55.040 The RNC did this as a way to stick it to us, because we were in dine-a-point trying to dethrone

00:50:58.860 Mitt Romney's niece from being the RNC chair.

00:51:01.520 It's obvious why they did it.

00:51:03.100 And fine.

00:51:03.640 But that's how petty the movement is.

00:51:05.040 Of course.

00:51:05.440 That's how petty they are.

00:51:06.320 And so this is how poorly they thought through this.

00:51:08.540 It's like, oh, we'll go get, yeah, to co-sponsor the debate, because we hate Turning Point so much.

00:51:13.240 Turning Point's done here.

00:51:15.140 And then it turns out, oh, man, we didn't really think this one through.

00:51:19.320 Mike Pence is employed by them.

00:51:21.120 Mike Pence is the most detestable character that's going to be on stage.

00:51:23.420 I'll just say this.

00:51:24.640 I don't know how they're legally going to be able to defend this, because holy cow, that

00:51:28.080 is really strange.

00:51:29.060 Having a 501c3 sponsor a political party's debate?

00:51:32.900 An RNC debate?

00:51:33.740 Yeah, that's a bad move.

00:51:35.580 I would have platoons of lawyers saying, dude, we have a C4 for a reason around here.

00:51:40.800 Just shut down.

00:51:41.120 Just shut down.

00:51:41.980 In fact, our entire 501c4 hosted ACT-CON for a reason.

00:51:45.500 OK, anyway, I don't want to belabor that too much.

00:51:47.700 But now the opposite.

00:51:48.960 Let's play the opposite.

00:51:49.660 Then let's go to the Lizzo.

00:51:51.120 Blake, the opposite is this.

00:51:52.240 And you changed my mind on the CNN thing.

00:51:54.440 I was like, don't do the CNN town hall, Caitlin Collins, waste the time.

00:51:58.660 But you have this belief, like, Trump is at his best when he's combative.

00:52:02.260 He's a beast.

00:52:03.040 Totally agree.

00:52:03.380 It's like he's up 50 points.

00:52:04.860 So what, he might get up 55.

00:52:06.460 But like, he needs to raise money, right?

00:52:09.820 Raise money.

00:52:10.520 And like, you keep everyone very psychologically invested in you.

00:52:14.000 And yeah, I think we say like, oh, the general's the general.

00:52:16.960 But that's what gives him part of his strength in a general election is you want the idea of Trump who's not merely an avatar of the Republican Party.

00:52:26.180 And how do you remind people he's not just an avatar of the Republican Party?

00:52:29.160 He shows up in debate, and he just embarrasses a ton of Republicans.

00:52:32.580 And that's the thing is that he.

00:52:35.300 But I have a point here.

00:52:36.400 Yeah, go ahead.

00:52:36.780 I have a really important point.

00:52:37.700 Yeah, go.

00:52:38.340 Because we made this analogy.

00:52:40.400 Donald Trump getting on the debate stage is like Michael Jordan getting on the court when you're 50 points up.

00:52:46.320 Doesn't make any sense.

00:52:48.440 I agree with you about the Kaitlin Collins.

00:52:50.660 Donald Trump going and playing Kaitlin Collins is like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals.

00:52:56.800 He gets nothing but benefit.

00:52:58.660 He knows he's going to win with his base.

00:53:00.420 Counterpoint.

00:53:00.780 Counterpoint.

00:53:01.620 We've discussed how having YAF do it, how having the RNC do it, is kind of like them being a situation where they're against him.

00:53:08.460 It's like if, let's say there was some beef.

00:53:11.160 Let's say the Utah Jazz are just totally dragging.

00:53:14.180 They're like, Mike's old.

00:53:15.200 He's done now.

00:53:15.980 And so Mike would go in and just he drops 60 points on them in this game.

00:53:21.720 And, yeah, he stays in.

00:53:22.720 They're up by 50.

00:53:24.080 And he's still just chucking up threes.

00:53:26.240 And he wouldn't, though.

00:53:27.840 He would come off the court.

00:53:28.780 They wouldn't hurt Michael.

00:53:30.100 You wouldn't allow Michael Jordan to lose any ground.

00:53:32.140 But this isn't a basketball game.

00:53:34.080 This isn't a team sport.

00:53:36.740 I mean, there's a team in the terms of their supporters.

00:53:40.860 But, you know, this is an individual map, right?

00:53:44.180 So you have individual fighters, players, whatever you want to call it, in terms of this.

00:53:49.960 So you have to have your candidates.

00:53:51.480 I think Trump, on a primal level, Trump's politics are about dominance.

00:53:58.620 And so what is the dominant play to do?

00:54:01.220 Well, the dominant thing could be to not show up.

00:54:03.740 It shows that you are the alpha, alpha, alpha.

00:54:06.200 The dominant play is I don't need to show up.

00:54:08.680 You need me far more than I need you.

00:54:11.060 And if I show up, I am going to be the center of attention and everyone has to come at me and I will defeat them.

00:54:17.360 And if he stays away from all of the debates, he allows that creeping sense of doubt.

00:54:21.660 Is he staying away because he thinks he'll lose?

00:54:24.020 No.

00:54:24.340 He has to stay away only to the extent that it shows he doesn't need to be there.

00:54:28.420 It's annoying for him to be there.

00:54:29.340 I mean, Charlie, look what you just said, right?

00:54:31.220 You just said, oh, the DeSantis team's got a plan.

00:54:34.280 I know.

00:54:34.620 They got a plan to take him out.

00:54:36.180 Okay, but that coming out publicly then sets the stage for the next shoe to drop is how does Trump beat the plan?

00:54:46.820 How does he do it?

00:54:47.660 He's already winning.

00:54:48.260 And so you can say, what is the goal?

00:54:50.700 He wins, but the goal is to crush your enemy.

00:54:55.320 Yeah, but this is why I disagree about the not being a team sport thing.

00:54:59.700 Because, again, there are more things at play here than just one-on-one debate spars, right?

00:55:09.100 Like there is an entire ecosystem of conservatives who, and again, let's use Vivek as the example, right?

00:55:16.780 Vivek has the most to gain by how he interacts with DeSantis and Trump.

00:55:22.280 Vivek is cheering for Trump not to show up.

00:55:24.620 Vivek is cheering for, exactly.

00:55:26.980 Of course.

00:55:27.340 Vivek is cheering for Trump not to show up because he becomes the effect of Trump at the debate.

00:55:33.040 And then that hurts DeSantis even more.

00:55:35.580 And, again, if you're Trump, you're looking at this and you're going, that actually kind of makes sense.

00:55:39.440 That actually makes a lot of sense for me not to show up to the debate because Vivek is going to become the Vivek Trump number two guy who's going to go back and forth.

00:55:50.200 And so when they start attacking Trump, guess who's going to be defending Trump?

00:55:55.180 Vivek is probably.

00:55:56.260 And so that makes Trump look better.

00:56:00.180 But you don't, you know, okay, obviously Vivek has navigated it really well how to handle, but real quick, he's handled it really well so far.

00:56:08.400 But how do things look if it's like Vivek was the real star of this debate, totally swept to the floor?

00:56:13.840 And what if he starts pulling higher and higher?

00:56:15.960 What if Vivek gets 20%?

00:56:17.500 Donald Trump will be thrilled to be running against Vivek?

00:56:20.300 Will he?

00:56:21.060 Yes.

00:56:21.540 Will he be thrilled if Vivek's at 40 points?

00:56:24.300 Yes.

00:56:24.740 They can't even fit Vivek's last name on most ballots.

00:56:28.880 I'm telling you.

00:56:29.960 Let's just be very kind.

00:56:31.660 I love Vivek.

00:56:32.760 Donald Trump attack vectors against Vivek is going to be, like, brutal.

00:56:38.000 Otherworldly.

00:56:38.420 He would rather have him just not be pulling high against him.

00:56:41.120 He might enjoy it, but already then we have a situation where Trump has to run against a person.

00:56:45.140 Vivek will never break 20%.

00:56:46.420 Pick your opponent.

00:56:48.020 Donald Trump wants to run up against Vivek.

00:56:50.000 Well, no, first off, and here's the important reason why, Charlie.

00:56:53.500 The establishment will never get on board for Vivek.

00:56:57.220 He's already, and again, this is the best way to explain it.

00:56:59.420 We talk about there's two islands.

00:57:01.760 That's it.

00:57:02.260 There's two islands.

00:57:03.120 There's establishment island, and there is non-establishment island, and if you try to go in between those, you drown in the water.

00:57:11.740 You're in the water.

00:57:12.340 That's where DeSantis has been most of the time, right?

00:57:14.980 DeSantis is not on establishment island.

00:57:17.040 I don't believe it.

00:57:18.140 I've seen the way they've interacted.

00:57:19.800 They've worked with us.

00:57:20.580 Anyone that will work with us at any point is just not an establishment island, but those guys are all on establishment.

00:57:25.580 Vivek has decidedly put himself on the non-establishment island.

00:57:30.560 He's the only guy with Trump there right now.

00:57:32.720 If there's too many people on the non-establishment island, can it tip over like a glom?

00:57:36.780 Almost, yeah.

00:57:37.860 Basically, that's what's happening right now.

00:57:39.160 They're all sinking right now, and DeSantis is kind of struggling.

00:57:42.660 He's getting pulled back and forth, and this is the problem that DeSantis has and that all of these guys have.

00:57:48.880 If more guys got on the island with Trump, it would split Trump's vote.

00:57:52.600 So Vivek is actually hurting Trump a little bit because all of Vivek's vote ultimately is going to end up back with Trump.

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00:59:45.040 Okay, I think we are now talking about Lizzo.

00:59:49.180 Who wants to take that?

00:59:51.200 I don't think anyone wants to take it.

00:59:53.300 Well, I don't understand this.

00:59:54.900 I don't understand why we just can't call her fat and stupid.

00:59:57.640 I would like to take Lizzo and then send her to another place, if that's possible.

01:00:02.000 Okay, so I'll...

01:00:03.100 What's the story here?

01:00:04.040 She's getting sued for something?

01:00:05.700 I'll take the bullet here.

01:00:06.260 Yeah, so three of Lizzo's former dancers have filed a lawsuit against her,

01:00:10.780 accusing her of sexual harassment for creating a hostile work environment.

01:00:15.440 Lizzo has violated United States civil rights law.

01:00:17.940 That's putting it very lightly.

01:00:19.020 There's two excellent components of this.

01:00:20.960 One is that they claim to have been body shamed by Lizzo, which is...

01:00:27.680 Because they're too fat?

01:00:29.120 I think it is because they're too fat.

01:00:31.140 I'll get the exact line in front of us.

01:00:32.660 Or they're not fat enough.

01:00:34.220 No, because they're too fat.

01:00:35.380 I think it is too fat.

01:00:36.700 It might be...

01:00:37.620 Lizzo told her dancers they were too fat.

01:00:40.780 And they're probably good-looking people.

01:00:42.840 No, I mean, like, I don't understand...

01:00:44.340 Because she didn't wear competition.

01:00:45.540 I think pop culture is so dumb.

01:00:47.240 I just, like, I don't get it.

01:00:48.400 What is her appeal again?

01:00:49.420 She's, like, a rapper?

01:00:50.340 She's, like, a flutist is how she...

01:00:52.560 She is, like, apparently good at playing the flute.

01:00:54.560 And then she's also become, yeah, this musical star.

01:00:57.600 I can't remember her genre.

01:00:59.520 No, but isn't her whole shtick, like, body positivity,

01:01:02.980 like, it's cool to be overweight and, like, making diabetes cool or something?

01:01:07.360 Like, doesn't she have a song about that?

01:01:08.560 She's disgusting.

01:01:09.500 About, like, cellulite?

01:01:11.820 Isn't that one of her songs?

01:01:12.580 Most importantly, she's disgusting on the inside.

01:01:14.700 She's, like, a nasty person.

01:01:16.720 She's, like, she's mean.

01:01:18.540 Go through the lawsuit.

01:01:20.420 There's some pretty bad...

01:01:22.380 Oh, there's something with bananas involved.

01:01:24.680 It does.

01:01:25.160 There is a banana part.

01:01:26.000 It does say, I'm reading in the NBC News report,

01:01:28.780 the captain of Lizzo's dance team is accused of proselytizing to other performers

01:01:33.440 and deriding those who had premarital sex.

01:01:36.600 So, whatever, we can get on board with that.

01:01:38.940 But while sharing lewd sexual fantasies, simulating oral sex,

01:01:44.400 and that does get to the banana part,

01:01:46.460 apparently Lizzo had this, encouraged them to take part in a practice

01:01:51.740 where they would eat a certain sort of phallic-shaped fruit of yellow and color

01:01:56.980 from a certain portion of anatomy.

01:02:00.440 Yeah, that's pretty.

01:02:00.940 She was way into that.

01:02:02.140 Let's play cut 85, apparently.

01:02:04.180 Pretty disturbing.

01:02:06.820 It was really...

01:02:08.160 They kissed?

01:02:09.840 Did she...

01:02:10.400 They kissed after...

01:02:11.820 I'm not going to say what she did.

01:02:14.120 But I'm trying to go to the show where you eat the banana out the pussy.

01:02:17.200 Which one is that?

01:02:18.840 It's a banana bar.

01:02:20.700 That's the banana bar?

01:02:21.820 Yeah, you were at the banana bar.

01:02:22.140 And they have the banana in the coochie?

01:02:24.340 And ping pong balls.

01:02:25.120 And you have to go...

01:02:26.280 Yes.

01:02:27.080 That's what I want to do.

01:02:27.920 Then you have to eat it.

01:02:28.740 I need my potassium, if you know what I'm saying.

01:02:30.440 My poos, potassium.

01:02:34.960 In Utah, we just eat banana splits, okay?

01:02:37.840 That's how we get our potassium.

01:02:39.400 That's not forbidden by the rules and regulations.

01:02:43.400 The number one consuming state of ice cream

01:02:46.240 and the least consuming of alcohol is Utah per capita.

01:02:52.220 But ice cream...

01:02:52.980 One vice for the other.

01:02:55.360 Well, one's better than the other.

01:02:56.200 Well, they also have the highest rates of porn usage.

01:02:58.420 Yeah, do you think they're searching Lizzo?

01:03:01.520 They're not searching Lizzo.

01:03:03.820 But when they're typing in banana into their web browsers,

01:03:06.140 it's for banana splits, is what I'm saying.

01:03:08.120 Wait, Utah has the highest rate of porn?

01:03:10.220 That's what they claim.

01:03:11.300 I've seen it before.

01:03:12.580 I've seen it before.

01:03:13.400 That's the claim, but you know...

01:03:15.160 It's per capita, but it's a lot of...

01:03:16.820 The nicer part is the...

01:03:19.520 Charlie, do you not understand per capita?

01:03:20.780 I think that's the next topic.

01:03:23.740 The number one...

01:03:24.860 The number one consumer per capita of ice cream is Utah.

01:03:30.000 And that's why banana split was the kind of...

01:03:31.740 I tweeted out this, that Lizzo calling her backup dancers fat

01:03:39.840 is a lot like Joe Biden calling Donald Trump corrupt.

01:03:44.100 Corrupt.

01:03:46.040 It's kind of interesting that those are both trending at the exact same time.

01:03:49.600 Well, that's Wham.

01:03:51.600 What we're just talking about there is Wham.

01:03:55.440 What?

01:03:56.780 Brother, you know about Wham, right?

01:03:58.240 W-A-M?

01:04:00.080 Enlighten me, Jack.

01:04:01.240 Also known as squashing.

01:04:02.520 Okay, so Wham is short for wet and messy.

01:04:05.040 So wet and messy, which it can be...

01:04:10.320 It seems like it's combining a few different techniques, I guess you could say here.

01:04:16.960 So there's feederism, which is obviously going on.

01:04:19.880 Feederism is...

01:04:21.040 It's a type of fat shame...

01:04:23.280 Not fat shame, fat fetish.

01:04:24.740 Where you're basically turned on by feeding someone fatty foods.

01:04:29.740 And then wet and messy is when you're then taking those foods

01:04:32.300 and splashing it basically all over the face or, you know, other areas.

01:04:38.140 And then finally there's just for food play or vor play,

01:04:42.980 which is basically the simulation or the actual act

01:04:48.280 of basically what she's describing right there.

01:04:51.220 This was like a whole thing.

01:04:52.440 I'm really glad I picked our next topic.

01:04:54.200 It's like polar opposite of this.

01:04:56.600 But this was like a whole thing, like the overeating accounts on Instagram.

01:04:59.760 Is this related?

01:05:02.300 Is this like the big binge eating people where they're like overeating intentionally?

01:05:06.720 Like disgusting things and getting fatter?

01:05:08.600 But it's like a sexual element to that.

01:05:12.140 No, yeah.

01:05:12.620 It's like a kink.

01:05:14.040 It's like a weird...

01:05:15.180 Yeah, like a kink.

01:05:16.440 It's like a weird thing.

01:05:17.600 I saw something about this.

01:05:19.120 I can't remember.

01:05:19.640 It was like...

01:05:20.200 But it's like these accounts that look like on the front face,

01:05:23.620 these Instagram accounts, don't look like anything weird at all.

01:05:26.560 It just looks like someone just like eating food.

01:05:28.800 But you watch it and it's like this whole like really weirdly edited.

01:05:33.300 It's just a guy eating.

01:05:34.380 But like they're overeating every single day.

01:05:37.100 And they're celebrating getting...

01:05:38.440 There's one where that like teenager started off as like normal.

01:05:41.080 Yes.

01:05:41.200 And he got into that.

01:05:41.840 Yeah.

01:05:42.060 And he's celebrating fatter.

01:05:43.820 And I think he started getting in shape again, which I hope is true.

01:05:46.960 Oh, I wish I could find that one account.

01:05:50.400 But it was like...

01:05:51.040 It kind of went viral where it brought a lot of attention to it.

01:05:54.560 Where it was like this disgusting where they were celebrating

01:05:57.060 like this nastiness of eating, overeating every single day.

01:06:01.360 Okay.

01:06:01.560 Play cut 84.

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01:06:16.960 Oh.

01:06:19.460 Why is Michael Orr playing a flute?

01:06:22.760 Somebody said...

01:06:24.080 Charlie, that's America's National Large Mammal.

01:06:29.360 Somebody...

01:06:30.000 It was voted by Congress.

01:06:32.100 So we had a...

01:06:33.580 I won't say who did this.

01:06:35.060 I won't say what it was for.

01:06:36.340 But we had one of those like, what's your...

01:06:37.900 What's the biggest thing you fear?

01:06:39.660 This was like a team builder thing.

01:06:41.860 And somebody said it was a room full of lizos.

01:06:44.940 A room full of them.

01:06:46.020 That's like going to be a...

01:06:47.220 That's going to be like a thing in the Harry Potter reboot.

01:06:49.460 They have that boggart in the closet.

01:06:50.720 Wait, wait, wait.

01:06:50.740 I don't think we explained that.

01:06:51.660 That's like the thing you fear most in the world.

01:06:53.220 And it's going to open and it's going to be played by like Lizzo.

01:06:55.540 So that was James Madison's 1802 flute.

01:06:59.380 James Madison's...

01:07:00.100 That is the flute of the author of the concert.

01:07:02.760 Okay, I'm told to play cut 81.

01:07:06.780 I just twirped in play.

01:07:35.580 James Madison's 1802 flute for the 1800s.

01:07:38.180 Okay, is that her usually playing the flute?

01:07:44.120 Is she usually that bad?

01:07:46.440 I mean, allegedly she's pretty good.

01:07:47.860 I wasn't, you know...

01:07:48.560 I'm a woodwind guy.

01:07:50.520 I could play everything except the flute.

01:07:52.920 That's...

01:07:53.460 She's not very good.

01:07:55.800 There's other clips of her playing flute like offstage on YouTube where she's actually pretty good.

01:08:01.760 I'll give her...

01:08:02.720 I'll give her...

01:08:03.240 I'll be fair and give her credit on that because...

01:08:05.360 I'm just asking.

01:08:06.140 But this was terrible.

01:08:07.900 And that's obviously...

01:08:10.280 Yeah, that's the real thought crime, right?

01:08:11.560 Where she's actually pretty good on the flute.

01:08:13.660 That's like representatives and officials from the Smithsonian that have gone over and co-signed this entire display.

01:08:22.300 Which to me is just amazing because what you're...

01:08:26.280 This is the perfect representation of what America is now today.

01:08:31.120 A big old fat lady like Lizzo playing James Madison's flute.

01:08:36.800 And I'm sorry, but when I look at some of these indictments of President Trump, whenever I look at some of these ridiculous opinions...

01:08:42.300 In the end of the Supreme Court, all I can think of is Fat Lizzo twerking to James Madison's flute.

01:08:48.300 Yeah, I mean, it's like a...

01:08:49.260 This is all the same thing.

01:08:50.460 It's a defecation of a BLM fat activist twerking on stage.

01:08:54.960 That's a difference.

01:08:55.820 Honestly, I'm the game over screen of America.

01:08:57.060 When she was on stage, my first reaction when I saw her on stage was like, right tackle for the Baltimore Ravens.

01:09:03.660 My first response...

01:09:04.340 She's a massive person.

01:09:05.940 Fee, five, four.

01:09:08.120 I always love this.

01:09:11.080 Whenever you are talking about somebody like this, I always type into Google, the name of the person looks like, and let's see what it fills.

01:09:19.640 And if you type it in, it says Lizzo looks like, and the first thing it finishes with is mashed potatoes.

01:09:24.580 I thought it was going to be a wildebeest.

01:09:27.460 Yeah, and by the way...

01:09:28.100 Lizzo sounds like mashed potatoes.

01:09:29.420 By the way, we get emails from people that say, oh, you fat shame.

01:09:33.120 First of all, stop being fat.

01:09:34.960 Second of all, if you're fat, I have no respect for you, I'll be honest.

01:09:37.860 And secondly, she brags about it.

01:09:42.100 If you're fat, then be honest.

01:09:43.560 I struggle with it.

01:09:44.740 Whatever.

01:09:45.420 She advertises it.

01:09:47.920 She advertises her obesity.

01:09:49.700 She thinks it's great.

01:09:50.460 There's so many problems in America that are sad because people can't control them.

01:09:55.100 And fatness is the most controllable one.

01:09:57.820 If you search photos of me on the internet, you'll get my old daily collar photo, and I look like this fat roly-poly.

01:10:03.440 And then I was, like, so disgusted by that, I decided to not be a fat roly-poly anymore.

01:10:08.280 Yeah, just like, I mean, being fat is a choice.

01:10:11.100 It literally requires you to do nothing to stop it.

01:10:13.680 This is the problem of taking bullies out of society because you just put, like, an 80s bully or a 90s bully back in society or any one of these schools that's out there today.

01:10:24.980 They'd be running the plate because they served a strong purpose.

01:10:29.540 They served a serious purpose.

01:10:31.560 We need, like, a squad of Heathers.

01:10:34.560 Not, like, the actual Heathers, but basically a squad of Heathers at every single school, just kind of maintaining the pecking.

01:10:41.960 Okay, now let's move to the group that really should be ridiculed, vegans.

01:10:47.000 So, Blake, what is this very interesting story?

01:10:52.360 It's a remarkable story.

01:10:53.980 It's a remarkable story.

01:10:54.780 There's this vegan influencer, which is a job that exists now.

01:10:59.340 Vegan influencer, Jana Samsonova, has, I probably got the accents on that wrong.

01:11:05.400 Jack can correct me.

01:11:06.060 But she has allegedly died of starvation in Malaysia while subsisting entirely on a diet of exotic fruit, which apparently did not provide her enough calories to, what's the technical term for it, live?

01:11:21.600 Yeah, so this is what I don't quite understand.

01:11:27.680 In order to starve for death, you have to go 45 days without any form of sustenance like fats or carbohydrates.

01:11:38.800 It's, you know, it's possible.

01:11:40.240 Maybe it's less time if you're the size of this woman.

01:11:43.060 Oh, I guess your window is shorter.

01:11:45.740 I mean, to starve to death is an extraordinarily rare thing.

01:11:49.880 It is difficult.

01:11:50.700 And, you know, they'll say starve to death.

01:11:52.500 I think it's that she was starving, like in a starvation style diet.

01:11:55.500 She was perpetually starving.

01:11:57.300 Yeah.

01:11:57.620 And then she got sick.

01:11:58.820 Oh, got it.

01:12:01.340 Okay.

01:12:01.540 She basically malnourished herself to death on eating nothing but fruits.

01:12:05.260 So her body attacked itself because she, which can happen.

01:12:08.800 It happens with candida cleanses.

01:12:10.540 You can attack yourself if you screw up your natural flow.

01:12:14.320 Is that what happened here?

01:12:15.020 You have no gift.

01:12:16.180 Anything bad happens to you.

01:12:17.800 Like you just, a stiff breeze will blow you over.

01:12:21.320 You know what's funny is this never happens with eating meat.

01:12:24.820 You've never, no one's ever heard that, oh, I ate meat and then died.

01:12:28.580 Like, didn't like, didn't Jordan Peterson have something to do with that?

01:12:31.900 Like he was eating only meat.

01:12:32.960 Yeah.

01:12:33.180 No, I mean, I, I'm close to that diet.

01:12:34.700 The carnivore diet can be really great.

01:12:36.460 You look, you don't need any carbohydrates in your diet.

01:12:38.420 Carbohydrates are completely unnecessary.

01:12:39.680 You just need proteins and fats.

01:12:40.840 That's it.

01:12:41.700 And vegans get.

01:12:43.520 Jordan Peterson was addicted to benzo.

01:12:46.180 Well, he wasn't addicted.

01:12:47.280 He had withdrawals, which is even worse than that.

01:12:50.060 You got to figure, you got to figure out a way to get your proteins and.

01:12:53.440 Yeah.

01:12:53.580 Good luck.

01:12:54.040 And, you know, an even wilder thing.

01:12:55.700 Fats are the most important.

01:12:56.580 Supposedly for seven years, all she ate was jackfruit, which has Jack in its name.

01:13:01.400 That's not a good sign.

01:13:02.240 And then the other food she ate was.

01:13:03.400 Jackfruit's actually really good.

01:13:04.140 Was durians.

01:13:05.140 Do you guys know about durians?

01:13:06.180 No, are they like prunes?

01:13:07.260 No, durians are these like gigantic Asian fruits.

01:13:10.700 They're all over China.

01:13:11.440 And they're famous because if like one, they smell really strong.

01:13:16.060 And whether you think it smells good or bad is a very divisive opinion.

01:13:19.720 People have compared it to fragrant flowers and also hot garbage, literally.

01:13:23.200 And you can't bring them on the subway in Singapore.

01:13:27.720 They're like literally you can find the sign that's like no durians, like a no smoking sign.

01:13:32.020 And it's just this like wild, it's like a gigantic fruit.

01:13:34.200 They're huge.

01:13:34.800 Kind of like a cross between a melon and like a puffer fish with like the spikes sticking out of it and stuff.

01:13:39.840 Yeah, it kind of tastes like custard.

01:13:42.800 I haven't had one, but I should go get one.

01:13:44.840 We must have Asian parts around here.

01:13:46.480 There was a person in China, a friend of mine in China, that we had them one time.

01:13:54.620 And I was like, yeah, okay, I'll go for it because I'm over there obviously to try different things.

01:13:58.740 People always say like, hey, Poso, did you have dog when you lived in China?

01:14:02.660 It's like, not knowingly.

01:14:04.860 Like I never sought it out.

01:14:05.820 There were places you could go, but you know, I ate street food, but who knows.

01:14:08.900 But yeah, we tried the durians and it was like, I mean, it just tasted like a yucky fruit kind of thing to me.

01:14:14.500 And I'm not a fan of like sour stuff to begin with.

01:14:16.600 Like I don't like, I don't like yogurt.

01:14:18.840 I don't like stuff that is, that feels like it's turtled.

01:14:21.600 I'm just not into it.

01:14:22.460 A lot of probiotics.

01:14:23.420 I'm not going to judge.

01:14:24.160 So sauerkraut, kombucha, and yogurt are not for you, right, Jack?

01:14:26.980 I'm not going to judge.

01:14:27.760 Too much probiotics in there.

01:14:28.820 None of them.

01:14:28.940 I've had that wacky Swedish.

01:14:30.400 It's actually really good for your gut health, but that's a separate issue.

01:14:32.880 I've had that wacky Swedish fish, that like surstrommig, where they like ferment the fish.

01:14:37.340 No, yeah.

01:14:37.800 Fermented foods are really good for you.

01:14:39.560 Yeah.

01:14:40.000 It's good stuff.

01:14:40.940 It's just famous for those videos.

01:14:42.240 I'm not arguing.

01:14:42.600 People open a can.

01:14:43.540 No, no, I know.

01:14:44.280 You also can substitute the probiotics.

01:14:45.840 So let me make sure I understand this correctly.

01:14:46.880 This is so funny.

01:14:47.580 So this woman ate jackfruit and durians and anything else?

01:14:56.960 For seven years, allegedly, that's all she ate.

01:15:00.620 Russians are so weird, man.

01:15:02.080 I get vegetarianism to an extent.

01:15:05.600 I mean, I don't agree with it.

01:15:06.580 I get pescatarianism.

01:15:08.720 Veganism is completely concocted.

01:15:12.380 It doesn't have any ancestral roots.

01:15:14.640 It's like totally made up.

01:15:15.680 Well, it's ideological.

01:15:16.720 No, that's what I'm saying, is that there's like no basis for it whatsoever.

01:15:20.980 And I mean, it's no dairy, no fish, no meat, nothing.

01:15:26.280 It's literally just fruits and vegetables.

01:15:29.240 Fruits, vegetables, grains, I guess.

01:15:30.740 I think they're careful with even types of grains, though, aren't they?

01:15:35.000 Well, I think they're okay with grain.

01:15:37.140 Maybe some for health reasons don't like it.

01:15:38.800 I'm not a big fan.

01:15:40.040 It's ideological.

01:15:40.580 It's the claim that, you know, eating animals or using animal products is immoral, is a large

01:15:44.760 portion of it.

01:15:45.640 And so.

01:15:46.060 No, that's what I'm saying.

01:15:47.020 How are those crops grown that doesn't affect animals?

01:15:50.780 Like, you've got to plow a field, right?

01:15:52.620 Exactly.

01:15:53.200 Well, you don't need to plow.

01:15:54.560 It's a very modern thing because you don't need to have the animals if you have hydrocarbons.

01:15:58.320 But they probably don't like hydrocarbons anymore.

01:15:59.780 But the no fish thing, like, really?

01:16:01.800 If this woman would have had fish, like, once a week, she'd be alive.

01:16:04.160 I mean, come on.

01:16:04.920 This is PETA's fault.

01:16:06.160 Janna's idle stagnation was causing her to melt before our eyes.

01:16:10.840 But she believed everything was fine.

01:16:12.600 PETA's fault is actually not funny, though.

01:16:15.060 Is that there are vegans that do this to their kids, like newborns.

01:16:18.720 No, this is so sick.

01:16:19.720 And Charlie, I think, as far as I know, you're the one of us that has the youngest kid right

01:16:23.320 now.

01:16:23.720 And there are specific nutrients that a newborn need that you're not going to get on a vegan

01:16:30.420 diet.

01:16:30.920 You will kill your child if you go along with it.

01:16:33.600 And when we're now that we are in the weaning, we're throwing everything bison, chicken and

01:16:39.200 like everything.

01:16:40.680 Peas, watermelons.

01:16:42.160 She's like almost almost a year.

01:16:45.420 Almost a year.

01:16:46.300 Also, the big the big thing here, Charlie, is like vegans are out there.

01:16:49.780 They're among us.

01:16:50.440 And due to Joe Biden's open borders policy, they're able to come to this country.

01:16:54.320 I was just going to say this.

01:16:55.940 I bet with this Russian dying, I bet Vladimir Putin is just going is going nuts.

01:17:03.600 That's be like they're trying to convert all our people.

01:17:07.760 PETA is trying to convert all our people.

01:17:09.700 They're trying to kill off our people.

01:17:10.940 They're going to invade Sweden.

01:17:12.200 So I mean, this person is really mentally unstable.

01:17:14.280 I mean, and you type in vegan, by the way.

01:17:17.400 Literally, this is a screenshot.

01:17:18.980 Every single result is vegan influencer dead of starvation.

01:17:23.180 Here's how you know veganism isn't a real thing.

01:17:26.080 Because if people could survive on that, I guess that is the diet that Stalin put Ukrainians on.

01:17:34.120 Which is just like what, grains?

01:17:35.560 It wasn't vegan for long because eventually they were eating each other.

01:17:38.780 But here's how you know vegans are frauds.

01:17:41.560 Because they have to counterfeit the taste of our food.

01:17:44.740 That's how you know they're fraud.

01:17:45.900 Yeah.

01:17:46.080 Right?

01:17:46.880 So if you go to a vegan restaurant, it's not enough just to have the vegetables.

01:17:49.420 It's like, oh, here's like fake milk and like fake meat.

01:17:54.640 Like, okay, you guys, you know the palate is designed a certain way.

01:17:58.380 So stop faking it.

01:18:00.960 Well, if I see the Impossible Burger at any restaurant, it immediately makes me never want to go back to that restaurant.

01:18:06.940 By the way, if you understand the Impossible or the Beyond Meat, it is so bad for you.

01:18:11.700 I mean, it's like literally the same stuff that goes into Dippin' Dots.

01:18:15.020 You remember Dippin' Dots?

01:18:15.820 Yeah.

01:18:16.280 It's the same technology that makes that.

01:18:18.140 Don't attack Dippin' Dots.

01:18:19.280 Dippin' Dots is tasty, but it's really bad for you.

01:18:22.680 If a time traveler came back from the future, they would tell us everyone eats Dippin' Dots.

01:18:26.360 Look, I mean, I don't know anyone who's vegan.

01:18:28.400 I know people that are vegetarian and pescatarian.

01:18:30.000 Just don't be ideological in how you eat, guys.

01:18:31.700 It's just the most important, a very important takeaway.

01:18:34.020 So during COVID, you might remember everyone freaked out and bought everything at the supermarket.

01:18:37.500 And I remember going to my supermarket the week of the big lockdowns, and the shelves were stripped bare.

01:18:44.020 And the only items in kind of the meat sector that were left were the Impossible Burgers and Turkey Burgers.

01:18:53.260 Well, I'll take Turkey Burgers.

01:18:54.180 I don't like the taste of Turkey Burgers, but they're actually pretty good for you.

01:18:57.240 I like Turkey Burgers.

01:18:57.900 Okay, Play Cut 113.

01:18:59.740 Turkey dogs.

01:19:00.500 Here is a rule of thumb.

01:19:04.480 Not every vegan is crazy, but almost every crazy person is vegan.

01:19:09.380 Play Cut 113.

01:19:10.200 Three, two, one, sing.

01:19:12.980 Eating animals is wrong.

01:19:14.840 McDonald's.

01:19:15.640 Herding animals is wrong.

01:19:17.600 McDonald's.

01:19:18.480 Share this song.

01:19:20.660 And change your entire menu to be vegan from now on.

01:19:27.680 I will never step foot.

01:19:29.500 If God didn't want us to eat animals, he wouldn't have made them so delicious.

01:19:32.900 I'll never step foot again in a Burger King because of their sales of Impossible Whoppers.

01:19:37.540 Like, I just, it just, it's just, it's, it's so bad for you.

01:19:41.600 I mean, look, first of all, Burger King meat is not exactly the best thing for you.

01:19:44.820 But like the Impossible stuff, it's so artificial.

01:19:48.500 And the nutrient profile is so, it literally wages war on your digestive tract.

01:19:54.060 Okay, so.

01:19:55.660 Charlie, have you had Raw Egg Nationalist on?

01:19:58.320 No, I haven't.

01:19:59.480 And, you know, I'm actually not as convinced on the research of raw eggs.

01:20:03.280 I think it's actually a fad.

01:20:04.460 So I'd love to, is he actually into that or is that like a shtick?

01:20:07.860 Oh, no.

01:20:08.300 He's got like a whole, he's got a whole book on it.

01:20:10.620 He's got a whole like menu book that you can get on it.

01:20:14.200 Bunch of stuff.

01:20:14.840 I think you would like him though.

01:20:15.960 You guys are pretty simpatic on a lot of stuff.

01:20:18.000 No, you should, you should connect me.

01:20:19.320 I actually follow his telegram feed.

01:20:22.600 The telegram.

01:20:23.700 Yeah, it's hilarious.

01:20:25.480 Okay, so I want to, so we have to play cut 84.

01:20:28.920 Is that what you're telling me, Blake?

01:20:31.420 That's for the next topic.

01:20:32.740 Got it.

01:20:33.380 Okay.

01:20:33.620 We have about 10 minutes to do that.

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01:21:42.180 Okay, Blake.

01:21:42.720 Take it away.

01:21:43.700 All right.

01:21:44.020 Well, our next topic is, I think we just opened, there's a clip that went very viral thanks

01:21:48.280 to our friend Benny Johnson.

01:21:50.340 It's a...

01:21:50.980 Oh, yeah.

01:21:51.760 No, that's right.

01:21:52.640 It's an event in South Africa.

01:21:53.880 Well, it's thanks to Benny, but I put it in the chat, and then Benny, it's whatever.

01:21:58.780 I think I was actually the first one to flag this because of all these fun telegram channels

01:22:02.520 that I follow.

01:22:03.380 It was actually from...

01:22:05.100 I'm not going to tell what telegram channel it's from, but Jack, I think you and I are

01:22:09.380 subscribed to some thought crime telegram channels.

01:22:12.560 Anyway, it's on a telegram channel.

01:22:13.900 What is telegram?

01:22:14.340 I'm not familiar with that.

01:22:15.700 But let me just full disclosure, it was on a telegram channel that definitely pushes the

01:22:19.780 boundaries of acceptable thought.

01:22:21.060 I kind of love it.

01:22:21.680 And all of a sudden, this telegram channel has a little bit of a tendency to exaggerate

01:22:28.740 this particular one, but it's totally true.

01:22:31.660 This one actually happened to be legit.

01:22:34.060 And so it's the third largest political party.

01:22:37.940 And I've watched this like 10 times.

01:22:39.720 It's so scary.

01:22:41.040 It's the third largest political party in South Africa.

01:22:43.320 It's like a black nationalist party, basically.

01:22:45.140 Economic freedom fighters.

01:22:46.200 Yeah, and they're like chanting in Afrikaans, which is the...

01:22:50.420 Is that right?

01:22:51.000 I'm not sure what language it's in.

01:22:52.460 Well, I think Afrikaans is the...

01:22:53.960 I think that's the language they speak in South Africa.

01:22:55.680 Well, they have many languages.

01:22:56.760 South Africa's got many, many languages.

01:22:58.680 So let's play Cut 84.

01:22:59.700 I kind of like that.

01:23:24.160 That's going to be my new ringtone, actually.

01:23:26.080 Kill the boar.

01:23:27.620 Kill the farmer.

01:23:29.420 Like, it's got...

01:23:30.020 I don't know.

01:23:30.320 It's got some rhythm to it.

01:23:31.260 I think...

01:23:31.680 So what the boar is...

01:23:34.440 Now, there's a distinction here between boars and Afrikaners.

01:23:37.480 So boars, these refer predominantly to the Dutch, who have been in South Africa for hundreds

01:23:44.560 of years, as opposed to the British, who really only got there by into about the 1800s, and

01:23:50.320 basically what they're referring to are white farmers that live in the more rural northern

01:23:55.460 areas of South Africa, and this has been going on.

01:24:00.660 There's been documentaries made about this.

01:24:02.420 Lauren Sutherland made a documentary about this called Prasmorte, and it is the farm murders.

01:24:08.620 It's the farm murders that have been going on.

01:24:10.580 Essentially, you get these gangs that run out there screaming at the owners of this, saying

01:24:16.640 that you stole our land, even though, like I said, they've been there for hundreds of

01:24:20.000 years.

01:24:20.480 These are farms that have been handed down family to family since before the United States

01:24:26.360 existed, and they're just completely killing these families, wiping them out.

01:24:31.120 And you've got the leader of this party essentially calling for white genocide.

01:24:34.100 Now, what's interesting is that the most famous South African in the world, Mr. Elon Musk, the

01:24:43.240 head of the platform formerly known as Twitter, X.com, head of Twitter, actually straight up

01:24:50.940 responded to Benny Johnson and called it white genocide.

01:24:54.640 He said they're calling for white genocide.

01:24:56.440 And Cyril Ramaphosa, the head of the president of South Africa, has never said anything about

01:25:06.900 it.

01:25:07.080 And I say this is actually vital that Elon Musk, he's clearly the most famous living South

01:25:12.920 African.

01:25:13.460 Look, he's a guy who got out there.

01:25:15.600 There's still four million Caucasian people living in South Africa at this point.

01:25:22.540 And he's just openly calling for this.

01:25:24.140 I think a tweet that I saw that I'd really like to highlight, it's from Zayi Jelani.

01:25:30.100 I don't know if I said that name right.

01:25:31.640 But he's one of these kind of, he's a liberal, but mostly kind of woke, critical.

01:25:36.520 But his response to this was really funny, which was...

01:25:39.140 Like center left.

01:25:39.860 Yeah, center left, something like that.

01:25:41.500 Sorry, you guys freaking moved down.

01:25:43.680 Now I have to scroll back up to see it.

01:25:44.900 Okay.

01:25:45.300 This chant, from what I understand, has a historic and symbolic meaning for the anti-apartheid

01:25:51.560 struggle.

01:25:52.260 And most people don't take it literally.

01:25:55.420 So we went full reddit on.

01:25:56.800 Yeah.

01:25:57.200 It's just like, you know, actually, yeah.

01:25:59.280 Like, yeah.

01:25:59.760 Like when you have a statue of George Washington in public, that's like very microaggressive

01:26:04.400 and genocidal.

01:26:05.340 But when they chant, kill the boar, kill the white farmer, that's just like a symbol.

01:26:11.360 Okay.

01:26:11.980 Right.

01:26:12.180 Well, Charlie, everything that you and I say is a dog whistle, right?

01:26:15.220 Everything that you and I say is a dog whistle.

01:26:17.640 Dog boar.

01:26:18.240 Everything that we tweet, you know, has like secret codes and secret messages.

01:26:23.060 But then when you got this guy up in South Africa screaming, kill the white...

01:26:28.320 Kill the boar.

01:26:29.400 Yes.

01:26:30.100 Kill the boar.

01:26:30.980 Brr, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da, da.

01:26:34.440 No, no, no, that's, that's, we've said in the proper one.

01:26:36.900 The full, the full lyrics.

01:26:38.100 It's the exact same thing when all the trannies are walking through the streets, we're going

01:26:42.900 to take your children, we're going to take your children.

01:26:46.000 No, no, no, it's not what they're saying.

01:26:47.600 It's just like, it's a joke.

01:26:49.000 It's just fine.

01:26:49.720 Or I'll get the gay men's choir.

01:26:51.680 We're going to take your children.

01:26:52.980 They don't mean it.

01:26:54.400 It's not, it's not what you think it is.

01:26:56.960 No, get the, get, get the pack of gays that talk about that.

01:26:59.800 Or the overtly racist things.

01:27:01.760 Convert your children.

01:27:02.620 You're right.

01:27:02.960 Racist things that Joe Biden said, same thing.

01:27:05.580 You ain't black?

01:27:06.260 Yeah.

01:27:06.560 Joe Biden's straight up racist.

01:27:08.080 And they're like, Trump, dog whistle, Trump, you know, this, that.

01:27:12.680 Like, you don't even have to look for it.

01:27:14.300 It's, yeah.

01:27:14.880 So the, uh, the lyrics to the actual song, Kill the Boar, which I don't know if he was

01:27:18.420 literally singing it or if he was just referencing it, but this is the, actually, these are the

01:27:22.480 English language lyrics of the song, which is originally in, um, in, uh, Hossa, I believe.

01:27:28.420 The cowards are scared.

01:27:30.280 Shoot, shoot.

01:27:31.240 Ah, yeah.

01:27:32.000 Shoot, shoot.

01:27:33.000 The cowards are scared.

01:27:34.560 Shoot, shoot.

01:27:35.480 Shoot the boar.

01:27:36.420 Shoot, shoot.

01:27:37.360 Shoot the boar.

01:27:38.360 Shoot, shoot.

01:27:39.680 Uh, at one point it says, you listening to it right now?

01:27:43.820 No, they're playing the gay song.

01:27:45.180 Guys, I'm going to call to it.

01:27:46.560 Oh, that's the gay song.

01:27:47.980 Yeah.

01:27:48.360 We'll get to that.

01:27:48.840 Now, now, now, now, Blake, hold on.

01:27:50.280 Now, do we, do we know, could he potentially, maybe they meant shoot them a smile?

01:27:54.820 Maybe they mean, when they say kill the boar, they mean kill the part inside your soul.

01:27:59.600 That is racist.

01:28:00.600 Yes.

01:28:01.040 Okay.

01:28:01.580 All right.

01:28:01.960 So now, it's like ego death, right?

01:28:03.380 Kill the boar off in your soul.

01:28:04.580 So, a little bit of an interesting thing here.

01:28:07.940 This clip we're about to play of the all-men gay San Francisco choir saying, we're going

01:28:12.700 to convert your children.

01:28:13.960 Anytime we put this up on YouTube, any, we get a strike.

01:28:18.200 They have a full-time firm, I think they've engaged, to try to memory hole this thing from

01:28:22.560 the internet.

01:28:24.120 Play cut 116.

01:28:26.100 We have a message for you.

01:28:28.500 You think we're sinful.

01:28:31.100 You fight against our rights.

01:28:33.280 You say we all lead lives you can't respect.

01:28:38.780 But you're just frightened.

01:28:41.420 You think that we'll corrupt your kids if our agenda goes unchecked.

01:28:48.640 It's funny.

01:28:49.880 Just this once.

01:28:51.240 You're correct.

01:28:52.560 We'll convert your children.

01:28:57.940 Happens bit by bit, quietly and subtly, and you will barely notice it.

01:29:04.940 We'll convert your children.

01:29:08.140 And make an ally of you yet.

01:29:13.140 It's obviously, it doesn't mean anything, right?

01:29:16.520 Stop it.

01:29:17.820 They don't mean we're going to convert your children bigots.

01:29:20.720 What they've really memory-holded off the internet is the version of that.

01:29:24.580 And have people feel like sex with them.

01:29:26.620 No, no, no.

01:29:27.140 They've really memory-holded the version that highlights the sex crimes by various members

01:29:31.780 of that choir, which I think there were like 10 of them.

01:29:33.760 That's actually a real thing, though, right?

01:29:35.200 For real.

01:29:35.460 Yeah.

01:29:35.780 In that picture of all, but it's like, you know, 55 gays, 10 of them were arrested for...

01:29:42.300 Yeah.

01:29:42.900 You know, it's like, not all of them, to be clear.

01:29:45.100 Some, I assume, are good people.

01:29:46.480 But it is definitely, it was a non-zero number of people with child sex offenses.

01:29:54.100 As Kyle Rittenhouse proved, you can't fire into a crowd of liberals without hitting at

01:29:58.860 least one foot of them.

01:30:02.500 The term we prefer these days is libertarian.

01:30:06.540 Oh.

01:30:08.980 Okay.

01:30:09.540 Do we have a deep web reveal, Blake?

01:30:11.000 We do.

01:30:11.840 We do.

01:30:12.720 All right.

01:30:13.500 Let's see.

01:30:13.940 We've got, just a moment.

01:30:15.880 What's the name of it?

01:30:16.620 Oh, we've got to talk about Public Square, right, Angelo?

01:30:18.720 Public Square?

01:30:19.660 Good.

01:30:20.460 I want to tell you about Public Square, publicsq.com.

01:30:23.640 I just had dinner with Public Square.

01:30:26.120 Michael Seifert, Jack, you're a big Public Square guy, right?

01:30:29.960 Look, when you understand the power of what Public Square is doing, the fact that they were

01:30:35.480 out there with this huge public offering, the IPO, going down there, ringing the bell on

01:30:42.320 Wall Street with Don Jr., with Cypher, with all the guys who were there, this is actually

01:30:48.160 taking the world by storm.

01:30:49.500 And I've spoken to them offline a little bit about this, how the signups they're seeing

01:30:54.000 are going at such a fast clip now because it's building off of all of these different

01:30:58.400 pieces of it, Charlie.

01:30:59.380 The wokeness coming out of Hollywood, the Bud Light situation, so many different companies

01:31:04.300 saying, oh, we're going to pay for abortion.

01:31:06.080 We're going to do this travel.

01:31:06.820 People are so checked out, but they say, okay, I know which companies I don't want to support

01:31:12.940 anymore, but how do I know?

01:31:14.680 And where's an easy way for me to find companies that I do support?

01:31:18.520 That's where Public Square comes in and makes it just so incredibly easy for someone who's

01:31:23.440 out there.

01:31:24.420 Like if you're my wife, if you're Tanya Tay, you're trying to figure out how to get your,

01:31:28.200 you know, you're worried about like dinners for the kids and they got to get to this activity,

01:31:31.560 that activity.

01:31:32.120 It's summer, so we're doing a lot.

01:31:34.020 You don't have time to make all these decisions and keep all these lists.

01:31:38.700 Public Square, boom, so easy, right for you.

01:31:41.720 And there are now hundreds of thousands of people across the country using this.

01:31:46.280 It's amazing.

01:31:47.080 Go to publicsq.com, download the app, very much behind at publicsq.com.

01:31:51.380 All right, guys, we got at most five minutes.

01:31:52.840 What do we want to spend our time on?

01:31:53.880 We've got the deep web reveal for today.

01:31:55.500 We're going to continue our education of Charlie in the obscure ways of the internet.

01:31:59.400 So today we are bringing him.

01:32:00.920 I am the uninitiated.

01:32:01.860 We are bringing him, no holes this time, we're bringing him some lines, specifically the

01:32:07.420 green lines of the Rivolino test.

01:32:09.680 So I didn't know this until Jack explained it to me rather perfectly, but tell me about

01:32:15.840 the line test.

01:32:17.100 It's the line test.

01:32:18.120 It's from this account named Rivolino.

01:32:19.780 I don't know that much about him.

01:32:20.960 I guess he's probably in some like PUA space or whatever.

01:32:23.540 But the idea is, is you can really like, you can see, uh, like who's the dominant person

01:32:28.920 and say, oh, you know, pick up thing, like in a relationship, for example, by who's standing

01:32:33.500 straight, who's leaning into the other person.

01:32:36.160 And so like, for example, if we got 87 here as a good example, like this looks like we think

01:32:41.720 like, oh, big dude, very dominant.

01:32:43.480 But the problem is he's leaning in, into the woman, the woman, she senses it's weak.

01:32:49.540 And, you know, it's very, very unassertive.

01:32:51.720 Another creepy version we've got is, uh, from Joe Biden himself.

01:32:55.180 If you bring up number 88 here, uh, you know, the, the, she's really creeped out because

01:33:00.020 Joe Biden's, you know, leaning into her.

01:33:02.080 So the green line, the green line test never lies.

01:33:04.500 Well, he's got the actual, the whole explanation of it, right?

01:33:07.920 So he calls it sexual polarity and in sexual polarity, it's the feminine wants to lean into

01:33:14.240 the Mexican, the masculine, the feminine wants to lean into the masculine.

01:33:18.880 She wants to enter his world, feel his strength, feel his protection, submit to his guidance.

01:33:25.460 Sexual polarity is the foundation for sexual attraction.

01:33:28.500 I'm reading from his tweet.

01:33:29.240 Sexual polarity is the foundation for love.

01:33:33.300 And so what, what people have gone now and done is with the Rivolino test or the green

01:33:37.180 line test is going through anytime you see a male or a female or two men or whatever

01:33:43.400 it is in a photo, you just, you add it in the green lines and then you see, is this person

01:33:48.600 attracted to this person?

01:33:49.940 Is this person pulling away?

01:33:51.280 What's going on?

01:33:52.180 That's the Rivolino.

01:33:53.740 Yeah.

01:33:54.240 Probably the peak of this was that, uh, one of our, one of our good friends, uh, representative

01:33:58.320 Paul Gosar, uh, actually, uh, tweeted this a year or two ago.

01:34:02.180 Uh, so he had some examples where he just, uh, tweeted images of himself with Trump, where,

01:34:07.700 uh, both of them are, are perfectly straight thereby demonstrating their strong assertive,

01:34:12.560 uh, uh, confidence as it were.

01:34:15.320 Well, there's another, this is the meeting of, but there's another, there's another aspect

01:34:20.720 to that, Blake.

01:34:21.240 So there's a different kind of Rivolino test and this is just for guys.

01:34:24.140 And it has to do with, has to do with, I'm just going to say it.

01:34:28.500 It's called crotch confidence.

01:34:29.880 The other one is crotch shame.

01:34:31.440 And this has to do with, if someone is, there you go.

01:34:36.720 Okay.

01:34:37.020 Number 89.

01:34:37.740 I was hoping we weren't going to say that word, but okay, there it is.

01:34:40.920 Um, so whether or not you're, you're standing up straight or you're crossing your hand over

01:34:47.720 your crotch.

01:34:48.200 See what I said?

01:34:48.420 And you will not find, you will not find a specific instance of Mitt Romney, not crossing

01:34:59.040 his crotch in any photo.

01:35:00.600 Go look.

01:35:01.080 I'm telling you.

01:35:02.600 Fails it every time.

01:35:04.020 No, no confidence.

01:35:06.520 What about, what about, uh, Mitt Romney with that hot dog?

01:35:10.200 Do we have a Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney with a lava lamp, Mitt Romney with the hot dog picture

01:35:15.920 is the hot dog bending or is he been, I'm not sure.

01:35:18.540 I'm not sure.

01:35:19.120 A good recent example.

01:35:20.000 The craziest one is Mitt Romney with the, uh, the birthday cake handles.

01:35:22.520 A very good recent example that we just added is, uh, throw up 117.

01:35:26.720 Oh my gosh, he's bending.

01:35:28.260 He's bending this hot dog picture.

01:35:30.140 We talked about Jonah Hill recently with his, with his girlfriend.

01:35:33.260 And it's like, he was trying to talk tough with her and it might've worked, but if you

01:35:36.600 check the photo, the, you know, Jonah Hill, 117, he's leaning into her.

01:35:41.560 She's got, yeah.

01:35:43.420 And you know, he's got it.

01:35:44.600 And the dog's good.

01:35:45.700 The dog is solid.

01:35:46.380 As far as, as far as, you know, the, you know, the crotch confidence goes like his

01:35:49.880 crotch faces her rather than the world.

01:35:51.780 While her, her own parts, they face the entire world.

01:35:56.220 They're there for the whole world to have access to.

01:35:58.440 Now, was this the one, not her man.

01:36:00.180 Was this the one that, that they broke up and she leaked the tech?

01:36:03.600 Yes.

01:36:03.960 Yes.

01:36:04.200 That, that person.

01:36:05.100 So that's why.

01:36:05.980 And that's specifically why they broke up.

01:36:07.800 Yeah.

01:36:08.040 That's why they broke up.

01:36:08.860 She would have been 100%.

01:36:10.120 If he had just given her to obey you and please you, if he had just stood more straight, he

01:36:15.720 just knew about the test.

01:36:16.780 Then he would have known that was coming all along because the test never, has never

01:36:22.260 lied.

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 05, 2023

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 8 — To Debate or Not to Debate？ Kill the Boer？ Lizzo's Banana RepubLICK？

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