Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 17, 2025


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 84 — South African Refugees？ Best Movie Ever？


Episode Stats

Length

56 minutes

Words per Minute

197.78902

Word Count

11,218

Sentence Count

1,159

Misogynist Sentences

9

Hate Speech Sentences

39


Summary

Jack Posobiec is back in Washington, D.C. with special guest Charlie Kirk and special guest Blake, Andrew, and Tyler to talk about The Da Vinci Code, The Devil's Basilica, and more.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 From the age of big brother, if they want to get you, they'll get you.
00:00:05.060 DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
00:00:08.960 They're collecting your communications.
00:00:19.380 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.
00:00:21.960 We've got another Thought Crime Thursday here for you.
00:00:26.180 Jack Posobiec here back in Washington, D.C.
00:00:31.420 Of course, last week I was there at the Vatican.
00:00:35.500 So we got to see the giant St. Peter's Basilica behind me.
00:00:39.260 Now I have this wonderful graphic of, I guess, the other ear, of the dome of U.S. Capitol.
00:00:46.460 Not quite as old as that one, also not designed by Michelangelo, but a lot cooler because it's America.
00:00:54.060 But we've got a really cool, really great set list lined up for today for the entire show.
00:01:00.620 Great program.
00:01:01.920 And also, Charlie Kirk will be here in just a few minutes.
00:01:05.360 But, guys, let's zoom out here real quick.
00:01:07.180 Do we have, I believe we have Blake, Andrew, and Tyler lined up?
00:01:11.660 Hello, hello.
00:01:13.000 Jack, I thought you were going to call it the Devil's Basilica behind you.
00:01:16.540 The Devil's Basilica?
00:01:17.980 Oh, man.
00:01:18.660 You mean because it was founded by a bunch of Freemasons?
00:01:21.500 No, just because of who operates out of there right now.
00:01:24.000 And that, though.
00:01:24.720 That's another good reason.
00:01:25.700 We have Charlie coming soon, though.
00:01:27.480 Charlie's going to be here.
00:01:27.780 I've actually read the, there's a Dan Brown book that has all, like, the Freemasons symbols of Washington, D.C.
00:01:34.220 And, like, I think it's called, what's it called, last symbol or lost symbol or something.
00:01:37.520 And it's very similar to National Treasure 2.
00:01:41.880 It's, like, literally almost the same plot, but it goes through it.
00:01:44.700 It's just got a ton of, you know, good information about the craziness of D.C.
00:01:49.220 Blake, that's all true, right?
00:01:50.720 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:01:51.880 I mean, there's a lot of, like, wacky symbols in it.
00:01:53.780 They were into their, like, esoteric symbology stuff.
00:01:56.280 Man, Dan Brown, that's a blast from the past.
00:01:58.600 Remember in the early 2000s, Jack, where, like, churches would need to have special events because Da Vinci Code was so popular?
00:02:06.120 Yep.
00:02:06.340 And we would need to have, like, priests and scholars come in and be like, no, guys, Jesus didn't marry Mary Magdalene.
00:02:14.560 This is a fictional book.
00:02:15.860 The Priory of Sion is not real.
00:02:18.400 Well, it's kind of like, it's kind of like when SNL did that Sarah Palin skit.
00:02:22.100 Like, I can see Russia from my house.
00:02:23.460 And everybody actually thought she said it.
00:02:25.440 It was actually, it was just a, it's just a line from an SNL skit.
00:02:28.660 Everyone thought she said it.
00:02:30.040 I think they still do.
00:02:31.100 But it shows you, what it taught me, though, was the power of memes, right?
00:02:35.140 And so this idea that if you had a meme that was stronger than another meme, that just that one meme getting out there into the world and being released into the wild would catch fire across, you know, across people from person to person.
00:02:50.260 And then even two Catholics who, you know, are sitting there like, yes, we've always believed this for thousands of years.
00:02:56.580 But, whoa, there's a Hollywood movie about it.
00:02:59.000 And everybody's reading this book at the beach.
00:03:00.580 And suddenly, so it's like, okay, so if this is the way the world works, then it's the person with the most powerful memes that wins.
00:03:09.780 So before we start today, I have just a little bit of a hook.
00:03:13.480 We have a collab that's starting tonight at Turning Point Action with Conviction Co., this wonderful hat that you can see here.
00:03:20.840 Fantastic.
00:03:21.520 All proceeds are going to Turning Point Action, which is really cool.
00:03:24.960 I actually like the hat a lot.
00:03:26.120 They're a great hat company.
00:03:27.720 Great hat seats, Conviction Co.
00:03:29.360 Where's my hat, Tyler?
00:03:30.580 Well, we got you one.
00:03:31.920 Did you really?
00:03:32.440 We got you one.
00:03:32.980 We've got, there's four unique hats.
00:03:35.400 They're a special collab.
00:03:36.320 So if you go tonight and buy your hat, Conviction Co., they're going to go fast.
00:03:40.780 So special limited edition.
00:03:42.100 Help support the mission.
00:03:43.540 That's it.
00:03:44.200 So Conviction Co., Turning Point Action, we want you to have this hat.
00:03:49.060 This hat, we have three others that are up.
00:03:51.460 Nice.
00:03:52.400 Thank you, Conviction Co.
00:03:52.860 And Charlie is joining us.
00:03:53.940 Yes.
00:03:54.260 He'll be here in 20 minutes or so.
00:03:56.400 In the blink of an eye.
00:03:57.500 But we're going to start off.
00:03:58.780 Yeah, we've got to get in there.
00:03:59.900 Jack, I think we're starting off with Kill the Boar.
00:04:04.960 Well, it's about time.
00:04:06.600 It's about time.
00:04:08.020 It's a terrible thing to say.
00:04:09.340 Those boars, they're just running around, farming up all those crops and living there for all those years.
00:04:16.040 By the way, you guys will remember this.
00:04:17.680 Like when this story first hit, I remember it was like two years ago, a year ago, when it first went viral, at least in American social media.
00:04:25.600 I recall the first one, I recall the first one pretty well, because I helped start it.
00:04:30.380 Did you?
00:04:30.720 So I was following, this was at Tucker Carlson's show at Fox, and we were following the news.
00:04:36.080 Because what happens is every few years, they make a new push to seize Whitey's land in South Africa and just seize it without compensation.
00:04:44.240 And then there will always be some sort of excuse where they'll delay it or not quite do it.
00:04:49.160 Because I think they know once they do it, like the country will completely collapse.
00:04:53.040 They'll turn into a, well, they'll also be a pariah state.
00:04:54.700 Yeah, and so what happened was, we ran a segment that they were about, I think it was that they were about to do it.
00:05:01.800 And maybe Tucker mildly misspoke or we mildly misworded it as it was already happening.
00:05:07.380 Or maybe we even did it accurately, but whatever it was, Trump watched that segment and then did a very angry tweet about it that night or the following morning.
00:05:16.260 And then South Africa put out a statement disavowing this, and it was a minor diplomatic incident.
00:05:22.200 And it's flared up five times since then.
00:05:23.680 But I remember when the moment happened, and Jack, I don't know if you remember, I'm sure you do remember this because you're very with it online.
00:05:31.700 But it was like the outrageousness of it, like the cartoonishness of having a popular political party in any country,
00:05:42.680 let alone one that's in the G20 and that's like hosting international like competitions.
00:05:46.900 And we all think of it as like part of the League of Nations kind of thing, right?
00:05:51.020 Not necessarily the old vestige of the 1920s or whatever.
00:05:55.300 I just mean like they're part of the civilization, right?
00:05:59.160 To have a political party in a country like that that says something as outrageous as kill a certain group of people.
00:06:05.480 And then when you call them out on it, welcome, Charlie, when you call them out on it, they're like, oh, it's just a slogan.
00:06:11.560 It's just like a funny thing we say.
00:06:13.440 It's a historical song.
00:06:13.940 It's just they would be like, it's a historical protest song.
00:06:16.200 You can't get mad at us because we're black people that are singing jokingly about killing people.
00:06:21.780 It's so cartoonish, too, because like in comparison, like as an example, Charlie, you've heard about this lately,
00:06:28.520 where like you said Deutschland über alles, which is like a line in the German national anthem from like the 1800s.
00:06:36.460 And like they're weird because the Germans are a mentally ill country.
00:06:38.860 But like and it just means like Germany above all.
00:06:40.800 And it means in the context, like put Germany above like petty rivalries.
00:06:44.660 It's like America first.
00:06:45.640 Little Dutchie.
00:06:46.180 Yeah, it's like America first.
00:06:47.560 Not even more like America first.
00:06:49.000 It's more like if you were saying USA ahead of California or something is really like what the meaning is in the song.
00:06:55.700 And then like they freak out about that.
00:06:57.240 And you'll have like ponderous CNN pieces where it's like, you know, the dark national socialist tone of saying that.
00:07:03.720 And then you have this song where the lyrics are just kill the boar, shoot, shoot.
00:07:07.300 And like you could watch them and they're like doing popping gun shots in the air.
00:07:10.920 The left is coming after me for jokingly saying Deutschland über alles.
00:07:15.580 That's funny.
00:07:16.060 The guy did.
00:07:17.040 Well, not exactly.
00:07:18.080 Because in Germany, they're like, oh, oh, yeah.
00:07:21.180 I mean, and or there's like I think like 200 people got investigated or even arrested in Germany or fined or some sort of police action because it became trendy to.
00:07:30.620 There was like a club song in France and they would play that song and then they would say Auslander raus, which means foreigners out.
00:07:38.780 And like you would get in trouble for saying that out.
00:07:42.000 And like some of them did like, you know, Nazi salutes with it, but most did not.
00:07:46.860 You could just get in trouble just for saying it like during saying.
00:07:50.200 And then on the flip side, of course, we have in in South Africa.
00:07:54.160 And it's just like, kill the boar, shoot, shoot, shoot.
00:07:56.920 And like nothing to see here.
00:07:58.300 Kill the boar.
00:07:59.000 And like Yamiche from MSNBC doesn't.
00:08:01.420 Yamiche.
00:08:01.940 She doesn't have anything to say about that.
00:08:03.540 The sushi woman.
00:08:03.800 The sushi woman from who looks like she hates the sushi.
00:08:07.420 But like deep fried.
00:08:08.980 But but the the the point is that she's like got nothing to say about that.
00:08:13.640 And yet she was what was her what was her line?
00:08:16.500 I'm appalled.
00:08:17.140 I think we have the clip.
00:08:18.120 She was appalled.
00:08:19.900 Everybody's frankly appalled that we're letting in 50 white Afrikaners that literally are under attack.
00:08:26.720 Wait, wait.
00:08:27.220 Before let's let's let's I always I try to do this.
00:08:29.880 We're getting into a topic.
00:08:31.160 And let's go to Blake.
00:08:31.960 Blake, can you just give us in a couple of sentences?
00:08:33.560 Like, let's say people are living under a rock.
00:08:35.440 They have no idea what we're talking about.
00:08:37.000 What is kill the Boer, the land appropriation and the South African refugee situation as it stands?
00:08:43.820 OK, sure, sure, sure, sure.
00:08:44.840 So the Boers are it means farmer in Dutch or at least in Afrikan.
00:08:49.520 I believe it's farmer in Dutch.
00:08:51.620 The Dutch are the original European settlers in southern Africa.
00:08:55.580 The Dutch had a colony there in the 1600s.
00:08:57.560 So there have been Dutch people there for about 400 years almost.
00:09:02.520 And they have a long term presence there, especially in rural areas.
00:09:06.480 They're very successful farmers, hence the name.
00:09:08.880 And of course, they remain pretty successful and prosperous in South Africa today.
00:09:14.900 This has become highly controversial.
00:09:16.940 South Africa is a highly unequal country.
00:09:18.940 It has had some difficulties since the end of apartheid.
00:09:22.920 And so a popular political position in South Africa.
00:09:26.240 It's worth noting the African National Congress.
00:09:28.880 That's Nelson Mandela's party.
00:09:30.520 They are a Marxist-Leninist party.
00:09:32.540 They are basically a communist party.
00:09:34.460 And there are groups to the left of them, such as the economic freedom fighters.
00:09:38.360 And so a common demand in South African politics is that there should be forcible land redistribution, that they should seize land that is owned by white farmers in South Africa without paying for it and forcibly redistribute it to the black majority in South Africa.
00:09:57.240 Now, it's worth noting, this has been done in other African countries.
00:10:01.340 It's been done in neighboring Zimbabwe.
00:10:03.100 The result was starvation.
00:10:06.160 So this is not a novel idea.
00:10:08.700 This is an idea that has been attempted and it has failed badly.
00:10:12.580 Now, in addition to this, South Africa is a dangerous country.
00:10:16.100 No one denies that.
00:10:16.860 And it's dangerous wherever you go.
00:10:18.680 But within the dangers there, there's a particular type of murder that happens.
00:10:22.900 They call them, like, farm murders, where you'll have people who usually a lot of them are workers on farms or they live near them.
00:10:30.760 And you'll have intrusions on farms and they will just rob and often horribly murder the people on the farms.
00:10:37.540 Now, yes, this is within the context of a lot of crime happening in South Africa.
00:10:42.540 It's targeted.
00:10:42.860 But it's, yeah, there's very much a targeted element where, like, you would not need to do this level of depraved violence against them,
00:10:50.500 except that you do, in fact, want to do, you want to, like, murder these white farmers who you've been whipped into a frenzy against.
00:10:57.560 And so this is what happens in South Africa is people who are running these successful farms get targeted.
00:11:02.640 And while they're getting targeted for these horrifying murders, you have members of the South African parliament,
00:11:09.400 of the government, who talk about we should kill white farmers, we should massacre them, or they'll greatly downplay it.
00:11:16.980 So I want to do two things.
00:11:18.440 First of all, we should play this clip because this guy is, what's the number on the, for every one of ours, five of them?
00:11:27.200 Can you give me the number on that?
00:11:28.320 I don't see it in the sheet.
00:11:29.340 Can we show Andrew's shot first?
00:11:30.520 It's the greatest shot ever.
00:11:34.060 I wasn't going to bring it up out of respect for you, Charlie, but.
00:11:36.720 I was just going to say, the fact that he's a Huskies fan.
00:11:39.840 I don't know, Oregon in the back.
00:11:41.040 Oh, that's great.
00:11:42.100 This is the greatest thought crime ever.
00:11:44.380 I'm hearing laughing and I don't like it.
00:11:46.940 You know, the South Africans say kill the boar and us Huskies say something the ducks that rhymes with ducks.
00:11:55.340 And I'm just going to say it.
00:11:56.400 I would cry if I didn't give a logo behind me.
00:11:58.720 I didn't know.
00:11:59.300 We were actually, I was like, Tyler, that's your usual seat.
00:12:02.040 I'll sit over here.
00:12:02.920 I saw the shot.
00:12:04.260 It was a set up.
00:12:05.400 National runner up last, two years ago.
00:12:07.280 Yeah.
00:12:07.360 So now I want to, so the guy in this clip.
00:12:09.320 What were you this year?
00:12:09.860 This is incredible.
00:12:10.720 You should have won it all this year.
00:12:11.480 I want to, Charlie, first, the guy I'm about to show you a clip from, I want you to attempt to read his name because.
00:12:18.860 You know how bad I am at this?
00:12:19.780 I know.
00:12:20.080 That's why I sent it to you.
00:12:20.940 Try to pronounce that one.
00:12:22.140 Charlie.
00:12:22.340 Charlie.
00:12:22.420 Charlie.
00:12:22.740 M-N-G-X-I-T.
00:12:28.720 M-N-G-X-I-T.
00:12:29.300 So this is like a funny ongoing joke that we have here at the Charlie Kirk show.
00:12:33.020 I have a lot of problems with this.
00:12:34.160 Charlie and accents or like everybody thinks he's just making fun of Alexandria, Acacio, Cortez.
00:12:40.760 But that's literally the best he can do.
00:12:42.340 So it's, well, I think my personal favorite, my phonetics are tough.
00:12:45.900 My personal favorite is that with Bolsonaro, Javier Bolsonaro of Brazil.
00:12:50.620 It's just Bolsonaro, but like it's Latin American.
00:12:53.160 So you got to go.
00:12:53.700 He has the compulsion.
00:12:55.000 Bolsonaro.
00:12:56.080 When I met him and I interviewed him, the team was like, it's Bolsonaro.
00:13:00.920 And he's like, Bolsonaro.
00:13:02.080 Not Bolsonaro.
00:13:03.580 Maybe they can't do it either.
00:13:04.560 You can lean into your angle and just go with it.
00:13:07.140 But anyway, so this, he has a name like he's a freaking Superman villain.
00:13:10.880 But anyway, this is a guy who's in the South African parliament right now.
00:13:14.560 He is in, he is an elected office holder.
00:13:16.900 Let's play clip 418.
00:13:18.180 So I think he's saying he wants five white people, right?
00:13:44.040 So he says for everyone they kill of us, we'll kill five white people.
00:13:47.600 And he's like an elected leader.
00:13:48.820 Will kill their children, will kill their women.
00:13:50.940 And I don't know if it was in the clip, but he also says we'll even kill their pets.
00:13:53.440 But this feels like a perfect example of like Michael Anton's Celebration Parallax.
00:13:59.000 Because like if you listen to the media, they're like, it's not happening.
00:14:02.660 But it's good that it is.
00:14:03.860 But it's good that it is.
00:14:04.100 And like this is it.
00:14:04.900 So for example, the statement from the African National Congress Party, they put this out the other day.
00:14:09.900 This is like a real thing.
00:14:11.080 We tweeted this.
00:14:12.320 And so they have this whole thing disavowed the falsehood of Afrikaner refugees.
00:14:16.300 And they included this line.
00:14:19.280 So they have a thing where like, we commemorate our constitution affirms equality, dignity, and non-racialism as the bedrock of national life.
00:14:26.580 Then they say, what the instigators of this falsehood seek is not safety, but impunity from transformation.
00:14:34.420 They flee, not from persecution, but from justice, equality, and accountability for historic privilege.
00:14:44.240 We go on like this.
00:14:45.360 My favorite part, though, is at the end for media inquiries.
00:14:49.760 Please reach out to Mangaliso Stalin Konza.
00:14:54.920 That same guy that was.
00:14:56.460 No, no, no.
00:14:57.100 Different guy.
00:14:57.580 But they just have someone who's going by Stalin.
00:14:59.660 Stalin's his nickname.
00:15:00.840 Oh, yeah.
00:15:01.260 Great.
00:15:02.700 Well, so what's really crazy about what you're saying is, and I pulled this up last year.
00:15:09.380 I'll have to pull it up again.
00:15:11.660 I know it's on my Twitter somewhere.
00:15:13.240 But so what we call this whole bit about you're saying about the past transgressions and the historical disparities, et cetera.
00:15:20.720 So usually that type of language, when we hear it in the United States, we would refer to that as CRT or critical race theory.
00:15:26.680 So these are typically policies and DEI is a similar related policy at corporations.
00:15:32.040 And you see these in schools and the military and many different large organizations and institutions throughout the United States.
00:15:39.580 Here's what's crazy.
00:15:40.440 In South Africa, they have it literally written into their constitution.
00:15:45.700 So that means it's like it's like in their Bill of Rights.
00:15:49.320 So if you wanted to get rid of CRT in South Africa as it stands right now for every single position at every job, at every government institution, this has been something that's led to, by the way, massive blackouts, what they call load shedding.
00:16:02.780 So there's huge blackouts throughout the country because they can't literally they can't keep their power grid going because they can't hire qualified people because they always have to go through this CRT filter for every single position that they do.
00:16:14.780 The whole thing's falling apart and you can't just get a new president elected and turn it off.
00:16:19.720 You actually have to change their foundational constitution from the 90s, which, by the way, was something that Bill Clinton supposedly in his administration helped Nelson Mandela on.
00:16:29.180 Hmm. Can we play this Yamiche clip?
00:16:34.160 Because I think it's I think it's telling 255.
00:16:37.640 This is where she says it's appalling because there's just lots of crime and everybody's getting hurt.
00:16:41.600 It's not just white South Africans. 255.
00:16:44.940 So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as much of a security risk.
00:16:52.500 That's really causing a lot of people to be appalled, frankly.
00:16:56.780 And I should tell people that this violence that they're talking about that are dealing with these Afrikaners.
00:17:01.660 I've been hearing from people that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's affecting everybody of every single race, Katie.
00:17:08.340 Like, really, it's what it's what it's what we you said on Twitter the other day, like deep down.
00:17:13.840 What a lot of these people want is they actually want it to boil over and they kill a ton of people so they can come in and say, this is what happens because they were racist.
00:17:22.840 They deserve to have this happen to them like they really, really deep down want that to happen.
00:17:28.000 And it's kind of like with, you know, with like the Floyd riots where sometimes like people some people really wanted that to blow up and they would go burn down some middle class suburb.
00:17:38.840 And then they could see, see, that's what happened because you didn't.
00:17:41.760 I mean, you're totally right. This relates to like BLM rioting where people were just like, like the liberal media was bending over backwards, twisting themselves into pretzels to try and justify the looting.
00:17:52.960 It's like a form of reparations or this is what happens.
00:17:55.660 What was AOC saying that, you know, riots are the language of a of a.
00:18:00.040 Oh, I mean, they would all quote MLK because he said something of that.
00:18:03.880 Something of that. Well, I forget what the quote is, but it's like riots are the language of the unheard of the unheard.
00:18:08.780 Yes, there's something. And and I think that's kind of the way that liberal progressives are looking at the South Africa.
00:18:15.300 They look at the fact that they own 70 percent of the land and they think that that's not fair, even though.
00:18:20.720 I mean, there is a very clear case to be made that if you just took all that land and gave it to black South Africans,
00:18:26.880 that you would see the productivity like fall off a cliff.
00:18:29.620 And would they be able to even marshal the resources to be productive again is a large question mark.
00:18:34.500 I mean, there is that's really besides the point, because they don't want productivity.
00:18:38.020 What they want is they like want to kill and just like expropriate the people who have things.
00:18:45.280 Well, I totally agree. None of this can be understood without understanding that the core of it is driven by resentment and hatred of people who are productive,
00:18:53.000 who are successful, who are innovative.
00:18:55.620 That is what I mean, that's fundamentally what undergirds any Marxist Leninist movement.
00:19:00.300 But I do think that they think in their back of their minds, like if we could just seize this land and give it to the black South Africans,
00:19:05.220 everything would be better because our our people would then share with all the wealth.
00:19:08.500 The thing that I get that it's beside the point, it's a secondary point.
00:19:12.940 But like I'm challenging that assumption being like if you stole all that land,
00:19:17.560 there is not a single guarantee that it would be productive.
00:19:21.280 Yeah. Well, it's sort of like I don't know the example of Zimbabwe, like how it's gone after,
00:19:25.660 but it doesn't seem like it's gone very well after they drove all the white farmers out.
00:19:29.240 Yeah. What happened? Rhodesia was the was the gem of Africa.
00:19:32.300 It was the most beautiful country. It's actually where Lion King was inspired.
00:19:35.520 The Tree of Life is actually inspired from Rhodesia.
00:19:37.560 And yeah, they got rid of the nice government and the Mugabe, who was actually funded by the Soviets, took over and went after the white man.
00:19:48.500 In fact, one of our board members, Mike Miller, had his ranch taken away from him.
00:19:53.040 He was an American jeweler who bought a ranch in Rhodesia and he was in America.
00:19:58.140 He got a call and they're like, the communists, basically the blacks say that they control all your land now.
00:20:03.660 You should. And they killed everyone.
00:20:05.540 So the head of not everyone. So one of the cool things.
00:20:08.000 So the head of Rhodesia when it was still a white minority role was Ian Smith was his name.
00:20:13.040 He was this World War Two hero. He's a very fascinating figure.
00:20:16.240 And then he settles in Rhodesia after the war and eventually becomes the head of the government there.
00:20:21.420 And one of the more interesting things is like once he did step down as president, people said he should leave.
00:20:27.440 And he was like, I am never going to leave.
00:20:29.420 And he just settled in Harare, which is the capital.
00:20:32.780 I think it had I think it used to be Stanley or some other name.
00:20:35.540 But he settles in Harare and they're like, dude, they're going to kill you.
00:20:39.360 And he's like, no, they won't. They're not going to do it.
00:20:41.920 And they never did. And he just he lived there the rest of his life.
00:20:45.020 And what's really incredible is if you look at videos of modern day Zimbabwe, any news stories about it on YouTube and stuff,
00:20:52.500 you'll find comments and they'll just say, like, I am a black Zimbabwean.
00:20:56.680 And getting rid of Ian Smith is the biggest mistake we ever made.
00:20:59.660 And it was like a huge disaster.
00:21:00.780 And it's very interesting. He's a fascinating figure.
00:21:04.840 Rhodesia edits are like really taking off on TikTok right now.
00:21:08.160 They're they're only they're number two behind Charlie Kirk campus clips.
00:21:11.060 But is that right? What do you mean the Rhodesia edits?
00:21:13.740 Tell me. So Rhodesia. No, it's it's like what Blake is talking about.
00:21:17.100 So it's I was joking. It's like the Zoomers found out about Rhodesia.
00:21:20.400 So they'll find footage of what what Harare and different parts of Rhodesia looked like during that time.
00:21:28.160 It was unbelievable. And they'll put edits to it.
00:21:30.440 Usually starts off with if you remember that movie Blood Diamond with like Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Connelly.
00:21:38.820 And they're at this bar and he goes and she goes, oh, well, that's something, you know, that's easy for you to say as a white South African.
00:21:46.480 And he goes, white South African. I'm a Rhodesian.
00:21:50.000 And she goes, I thought we said Zimbabwe now. And he looks at her. He just goes, do we?
00:21:54.960 And then it cuts to like the music comes in and everybody's like and it's just showing how nice Rhodesia was when it was, you know, when it was not under communist control.
00:22:03.560 But they're really, really all over you. TikTok right now.
00:22:06.660 Yeah. And there's a story from The New York Times where they said that Dylan Roof, who did that terrible killing, posted a with a jacket calling the last Rhodesian.
00:22:15.880 So, of course, they're trying to connect. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:18.540 Love of Rhodesia. There's definitely like a few people for whom this is like a kind of aspirational thing in a sort of gross way.
00:22:25.320 I don't think we should deny that. Sure.
00:22:26.980 But we also shouldn't deny is like they're like to the extent that South Africa remains functional.
00:22:34.640 A lot of it is because of these Afrikaners who have, you know, European English and Afrikaners who have like built up the country and have like worked very hard to sustain it.
00:22:43.960 And this sort of like Marxist ideology that views any form of like success or any wealth disparity as the greatest crime ever, they will blow the country to smithereens.
00:22:54.980 Well, one of the only other functional sub-Saharan African nations is Kenya, which is also in the English system.
00:23:01.820 So it's like you look at the way that we do laws and the way that we we we have customs and a form of government.
00:23:08.940 I mean, the English exports across the world succeeded at the highest clip, I would say, ever.
00:23:13.800 And what they're doing is trying to dismantle that vestige as well as, you know, the the drive out a lot of the most the most successful African countries are often the ones that were the most determined to kind of sustain their European legacy.
00:23:29.760 Like West Africa is not a great place in general.
00:23:32.140 But for about 20 years after independence, probably the most successful one was Ivory Coast, which is so French that they go around making everyone call them Côte d'Ivoire instead of Ivory Coast.
00:23:45.400 And I would say Côte d'Ivoire.
00:23:46.460 Yeah, something, whatever.
00:23:47.760 But also, there's no elephants there.
00:23:50.380 The Ivory Coast name is basically a lie.
00:23:52.640 But anyway, it's because they killed them all for the ivory.
00:23:56.700 Look, well, ivory is pretty cool.
00:23:58.260 So it's understandable.
00:23:59.160 There isn't there's still an ivory embargo in the West.
00:24:01.640 Yeah, you know.
00:24:02.480 Well, I mean, they're trying to make them go extinct, man.
00:24:04.240 It's not good.
00:24:04.960 I have a whole thought crime on that, which is when it was legal to hunt elephants, there were more elephants.
00:24:09.320 When the poachers now do it, there's less elephants.
00:24:11.260 Anyway, it's basic economics.
00:24:14.040 Hunters want more.
00:24:14.820 If you want the truth, a lot of it was post-independence.
00:24:17.860 A lot of the order broke down.
00:24:19.440 And so I'm sure that you had a lot more like they would actually police against poaching.
00:24:24.200 Well, no, that's what I'm saying.
00:24:24.960 But because there was a incentive to do that.
00:24:26.880 Well, there was an incentive to keep it on the up and up.
00:24:29.540 Yes.
00:24:29.840 To make it orderly.
00:24:30.580 Well, there's still incentives, but now what it is is African countries are kind of they lack state capacity.
00:24:35.620 So it's like stopping crime if you're in, you know, well, for example, if you're in a South African city, like they have police.
00:24:42.440 The police are just not super effective.
00:24:44.920 What is cool.
00:24:45.640 You may like this, though, is in I think in Kenya, maybe some others.
00:24:49.400 But because poachers are so bad and like so aggressive in some African states, I think Kenya, but I just want to preface that I might be wrong.
00:24:57.720 The anti-poaching police have the right to just shoot to kill.
00:25:00.500 Yeah, that's right.
00:25:01.040 Correct.
00:25:01.620 Yep.
00:25:01.860 And the most effective anti-poaching groups, though, are the mercenaries.
00:25:06.180 And I mean, it's poaching is a very serious.
00:25:09.220 Yeah.
00:25:09.460 It's a serious thing in Africa.
00:25:11.200 It's anyway.
00:25:11.700 Sorry.
00:25:11.960 Well, we're going to have rhinos are going to go extinct because our next topic we'll get to the Chinese.
00:25:16.440 They just if there's an animal and it's beautiful and rare and like you'd want to make an animal cracker out of it.
00:25:22.220 The Chinese want to eat it because they think it's an aphrodisiac.
00:25:25.460 It's a major problem.
00:25:27.420 And it's a cure for cancer.
00:25:29.120 Mostly aphrodisiacs.
00:25:30.720 No one.
00:25:31.360 Yeah, I thought the whole.
00:25:32.000 It's typically aphrodisiac.
00:25:33.100 No, it's true.
00:25:33.840 No, when I when I was in China, I would see it everywhere and you would find people just absolutely swore by it.
00:25:39.120 It's and it's not it's not like a, you know, in some like secret shop where you've got to go for like the curio shop.
00:25:45.880 Like it's like it's the 1920s Chinatown or something.
00:25:47.880 It's just like it's just like all over the place and like regular pharmacies and stuff.
00:25:52.160 That's crazy.
00:25:52.880 But yeah, so now obviously we have they're letting in some of the Afrikaners into the US, which I'm thrilled about.
00:26:00.700 Yeah, we should take 600,000 of them and put them in Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Georgia and Pennsylvania.
00:26:06.180 We have actually a lot here in Arizona.
00:26:08.740 We have a lot of South Africans.
00:26:09.940 Really?
00:26:10.700 South Africans.
00:26:11.280 Yeah.
00:26:11.840 I wonder what their voting rates would be.
00:26:13.960 We have a South African on one of our boards.
00:26:15.900 I wonder if we but what you think is like 80, 20.
00:26:18.580 Well, I don't know.
00:26:19.500 So some of them are 95.
00:26:21.640 I don't want to overassume things because some of like some of them are very devoutly religious in that old Dutch reform sort of way.
00:26:32.160 But the truth is, like they are kind of also a lot of much liberal in the way like white Europeans are.
00:26:38.720 I don't know.
00:26:38.980 The South Africans I've met at the experiences they have, what they disdain, they come here hating race politics.
00:26:45.060 Every single.
00:26:45.660 That's like one of the things they hate.
00:26:47.040 And it's beyond that, too.
00:26:48.060 It's just the entire cultural of being anti-Marxist is they are every single one that I've met here in Arizona.
00:26:55.340 We again, we have a lot.
00:26:56.680 We have a lot of oddly conservative South Africans.
00:27:02.860 And they're all vocal.
00:27:04.880 One of the best ear, nose and throat doctors in Scottsdale was a guy by the name is still alive.
00:27:10.200 Doctor had a neck surgery.
00:27:12.260 Dr. Gordon Chait, South African.
00:27:13.860 Great guy.
00:27:14.840 Anyway, so I just happen to know a lot of South Africans.
00:27:17.380 Well, when I was growing up, there was already a lot of South Africans at my school in Nevada.
00:27:20.540 They're super decent people.
00:27:21.780 Well, they were good.
00:27:22.360 That was good family.
00:27:23.120 Very productive, smart kids.
00:27:25.860 We have to be careful.
00:27:26.660 So we have to watch out for is thinking on it more.
00:27:29.400 I think the liberal South African Europeans are the English.
00:27:32.800 This is one of the most underrated, weird rivalries in the world.
00:27:36.720 English South Africans and Boer Dutch South Africans do not like each other.
00:27:42.600 Oh, Blood Diamond was Rhodesia?
00:27:44.580 Probably.
00:27:45.020 I didn't see that movie.
00:27:45.700 Oh, well, our team has clips.
00:27:47.640 It had ties to Rhodesia, yeah.
00:27:48.880 Okay.
00:27:49.280 Well, there's a Rhodesia clip from Blood Diamond that we could play if you guys are interested.
00:27:53.440 Oh, you should totally play it.
00:27:54.300 4.39.
00:27:55.040 Let's go play it.
00:27:55.720 Oh, I get it.
00:28:24.240 I thought it was just a movie clip, but it's the TikTok edits that Jack's talking about.
00:28:29.720 We say Zimbabwe, don't we?
00:28:31.700 Do we?
00:28:32.780 Do we?
00:28:33.280 Do we?
00:28:33.780 South Africans do we?
00:28:34.760 I hate how good of an actor he is.
00:28:36.700 He's like Tom Cruise.
00:28:38.840 It's like, you can make fun of these people, but they're really good to watch.
00:28:41.080 There's like bad famous actors like Kevin Costner, who's an objectively awful actor.
00:28:46.020 Like, very bad.
00:28:47.120 And then, you like Kevin Costner?
00:28:48.980 I don't have strong feelings about him.
00:28:50.320 You just really hated draft day?
00:28:51.740 You will never see Kevin Costner through the same lens when you acknowledge he's a terrible actor.
00:28:56.580 No, he was really bad in Waterworld.
00:28:58.460 I feel like Gen Xers would go to the grave defending Kevin Costner.
00:29:02.140 I've always defended Waterworld.
00:29:03.180 I don't have strong feelings about Kevin Costner.
00:29:04.380 You like Waterworld, Jack?
00:29:05.800 I love Waterworld.
00:29:07.420 Oh, that's impossible.
00:29:08.140 People just love terrible acting.
00:29:09.180 I think it's so good.
00:29:10.800 Star Wars Episode III just got re-released, and I had to endure people pretending that movie is good.
00:29:15.520 Yeah, don't get me started on that.
00:29:16.840 I liked Waterworld.
00:29:20.100 Obviously, everyone, we've covered Yellowstone and the hit clivery of that a million times.
00:29:25.200 I thought the postman was good.
00:29:26.540 Remember the Tom Petty scene?
00:29:28.020 No.
00:29:28.260 When he walks up like, hey, man, I know you.
00:29:30.780 You used to be someone.
00:29:31.940 He's like, not anymore, man.
00:29:33.980 I'm just anybody else now.
00:29:36.240 It's so good.
00:29:37.020 I feel like every Gen X male defends Field of Dreams.
00:29:41.060 But I will say that Costner used to be made fun of for how bad of an actor he was.
00:29:44.580 Like JFK, he was a terrible actor in that movie.
00:29:47.260 Oh, I never watched that.
00:29:48.500 And I guess older Kevin Costner is more regal and more, I don't know.
00:29:52.620 JFK is not a good movie.
00:29:54.200 But another bad actor is Ben Affleck.
00:29:56.460 He's a terrible actor.
00:29:57.600 Yes, 100%.
00:29:59.140 Except in Accountant, where he literally plays someone who has a mental disorder.
00:30:08.660 I get that one confused with Bradley Cooper.
00:30:11.180 Pearl Harbor, I always bring up.
00:30:13.600 No, the new Accountant's out, but I haven't seen it yet.
00:30:15.480 But no, the only one I like Ben Affleck in is the Accountant, where he literally plays someone who is supposed to be like a wooden mute.
00:30:22.120 So he's like neurodivergent with personality issues.
00:30:25.060 And it's like, oh, yeah, he can play that just fine.
00:30:27.560 Oh, my gosh.
00:30:28.600 The internet believes that Gwyneth Paltrow is the worst actress ever.
00:30:32.380 I don't think that's right.
00:30:34.960 How come Gwyneth Paltrow never threw Harvey Weinstein under the bus?
00:30:40.160 And they say that Keanu Reeves is a bad actor.
00:30:42.260 I think he's a good actor.
00:30:43.460 Keanu Reeves is like...
00:30:45.080 He's also super based and smart.
00:30:46.780 He's a bad actor that has survived, and so therefore he's become kind of likable.
00:30:54.220 It's become a shtick.
00:30:55.840 It's become like a staple of our childhood, so it's okay now.
00:30:59.040 He was in The Matrix, which is a dumb movie.
00:31:01.180 No, the worst one, the absolute worst one, and I will go to bat for that he'll die on this hill, is Jennifer Lawrence.
00:31:08.900 Jennifer Lawrence did not act.
00:31:10.920 She is horrible.
00:31:12.860 All of her casting dried up after Harvey Weinstein got arrested, and nobody even said anything about it because everybody knew what was going on there.
00:31:20.900 She's objectively just a bad, bad actress.
00:31:24.000 Yeah, she drives me crazy.
00:31:25.060 What was the one she got really famous for?
00:31:28.640 Hunger Games.
00:31:29.400 Hunger Games, yeah.
00:31:31.320 You've sometimes used Hunger Games.
00:31:33.160 I like it.
00:31:33.620 It's a phenomenal story.
00:31:35.060 It's a phenomenal story.
00:31:35.920 But not Jennifer Lawrence.
00:31:36.720 Yeah, I mean, she's...
00:31:37.840 By the way, let's just be honest, why Hunger Games is good is Philip Seymour Hoffman.
00:31:42.060 Yeah, Philip Seymour Hoffman is great.
00:31:43.880 Anything, one of the greats.
00:31:45.280 You want to talk about acting?
00:31:46.720 Anything with Philip Seymour Hoffman, Blake is uninterested in it.
00:31:48.840 Well, I've been watching all of the Mission Impossible movies because the final one is coming out soon.
00:31:53.320 He's so good at that character, though.
00:31:55.000 He's pretty good in Mission Impossible 3.
00:31:56.300 There is that archetype of the sage, kind of crafty, there's something happening.
00:32:00.620 Wait, but Charlie.
00:32:01.320 Well, they're talking about bringing back Philip Seymour Hoffman and...
00:32:04.980 Using AI.
00:32:05.520 Yeah, using AI.
00:32:06.180 Okay, no, I've got to stand against this.
00:32:08.280 No.
00:32:08.540 I don't know.
00:32:08.980 I mean, AI actors are bad news.
00:32:10.900 Wait, but Charlie, Charlie, how bad is it that we are not going to get, in this lifetime, Philip Seymour Hoffman playing Steve Bannon?
00:32:20.000 No, I mean, come on.
00:32:21.780 I mean, that's worth AI, okay?
00:32:24.920 The one I always wanted.
00:32:26.140 The one I always wanted.
00:32:27.340 I might do that.
00:32:28.760 I can't unsee that.
00:32:30.600 Look at this.
00:32:30.980 You've got to put the picture up.
00:32:32.400 You've got to put the picture up.
00:32:33.340 Oh, put it up.
00:32:33.960 Yeah, sorry.
00:32:35.440 It's Steve.
00:32:36.260 Like, it's literally Steve.
00:32:38.680 I mean, come on.
00:32:39.980 And he would do a marvelous job.
00:32:41.920 He would do such a good job.
00:32:42.840 That baby Bannon thing, it would be like him doing that monologue.
00:32:48.960 I made that.
00:32:49.640 I made that this morning.
00:32:50.660 I made a baby Stephen Miller last night to just test it out, and then I made baby Bannon this morning, and it did like a million views.
00:32:57.360 Should we do baby Bannon?
00:32:59.640 What platform do you use to make that?
00:33:01.780 Which AI generator?
00:33:03.480 So, you have to use a bunch together, so you have to generate a still image of the baby version of someone first.
00:33:12.400 Then you get the audio, so you want the actual audio.
00:33:15.780 This is too much work.
00:33:16.580 I don't care.
00:33:17.160 Okay, Jack, wait.
00:33:18.020 Let me just play it.
00:33:18.920 441.
00:33:19.700 This is baby Bannon.
00:33:22.820 Facts are on our side.
00:33:24.820 Joe Biden never got 15 million votes.
00:33:27.880 More votes than Barack Obama.
00:33:29.940 Impossible.
00:33:30.880 We didn't pick up net 12 House seats when we lost the presidential.
00:33:36.000 Impossible.
00:33:37.000 We didn't win 19 of the 20 bellwethers and lose the presidency.
00:33:40.780 Impossible.
00:33:43.600 So, I made a pen into a crayon.
00:33:46.340 I used this software called Hydra that lets you animate steel images.
00:33:49.560 How much time do you spend on this, Jack?
00:33:50.840 Honestly, that one took like 20 minutes.
00:33:54.240 It wasn't hard at all.
00:33:54.860 This 442, if you throw that image up, that is Bannon.
00:34:00.800 Again, you have to control the memes.
00:34:02.640 I mean, come on.
00:34:04.120 That's Steve Bannon.
00:34:04.740 When you control the memes, you control it.
00:34:07.280 I think it was an oxy overdose.
00:34:09.500 He was so young.
00:34:10.240 No, he was only 46.
00:34:11.980 I think it was an opioid thing.
00:34:13.200 It was a Franklin special.
00:34:14.360 I think he was like the first pretty notable person to die.
00:34:16.780 Good job, Frank.
00:34:17.560 Straight heroin.
00:34:18.820 Great job, Frank.
00:34:19.500 He has one of the greatest scenes ever in Hunger Games when it's just like when he's talking about, you know.
00:34:24.960 Blue Dark.
00:34:25.640 Oh, my gosh.
00:34:26.460 He was in Moneyball.
00:34:27.600 I forgot about that.
00:34:28.460 He was really good in Moneyball.
00:34:29.740 So good in Moneyball.
00:34:30.440 Punch Drunk Love.
00:34:31.180 That was the Moneyball guy.
00:34:32.920 Boogie Nights.
00:34:33.680 One of the greatest actors ever.
00:34:35.320 Yeah.
00:34:35.760 Ever.
00:34:36.260 Huge loss.
00:34:36.820 Almost famous.
00:34:38.440 Charlie Wilson.
00:34:38.920 The talented Mr. Ripley.
00:34:40.040 He's the CIA guy in Charlie Wilson 4.
00:34:43.440 Before the devil knows your dad.
00:34:44.580 It's going to be a great idea, Charlie.
00:34:45.780 It's going to be a great idea.
00:34:47.240 Well, is it me or has there not been like a cultural transformational movie in like five years?
00:34:52.340 Like everyone gravitates towards it.
00:34:53.880 Salt slob.
00:34:54.340 Everyone talks about it.
00:34:55.320 Five years?
00:34:56.280 Ten years?
00:34:57.020 Look at the side-by-side.
00:34:58.100 It's pretty hard.
00:34:58.800 Our lifetimes?
00:34:59.740 The Paul Thomas Anderson movie.
00:35:00.920 No, like Avatar was the closest I could think of to that.
00:35:03.460 And yet Avatars like had no cultural like sticking point at all.
00:35:07.320 Avatar was awful.
00:35:08.440 I think it's subconsciously convinced people to be environmentalists.
00:35:13.620 Yeah.
00:35:13.920 No, that was like the end of environmentalism.
00:35:16.640 No, but people were environmentalists in the 90s, the 2000s.
00:35:19.880 No, no, no.
00:35:20.240 That was climate change.
00:35:21.820 It had all these like indigenous people.
00:35:25.060 Mass adoption of climate change didn't come until after.
00:35:28.780 Isn't there another one coming up, Bill?
00:35:30.460 It was like a virulent subculture, but it wasn't like.
00:35:34.920 We had that terrible The Day After Tomorrow movie in 2004.
00:35:38.800 And like the plot was just like Fern Gully plus Pocahontas.
00:35:42.420 Like Avatar was not kicking off any of that stuff.
00:35:45.400 That was all just James Cameron like absurd fandom.
00:35:48.980 Made a ton of money.
00:35:50.280 We got all those terrible 3D movies afterwards.
00:35:53.020 But the cultural staying power of it was minimal.
00:35:56.560 Although I do remember there was this extremely bizarre article.
00:36:00.080 It was the highest grossing film ever.
00:36:02.880 That's the thing, though.
00:36:03.620 Like compare Titanic.
00:36:04.620 No, because it was a roller coaster.
00:36:05.520 People still talk about Titanic.
00:36:07.140 They watch it.
00:36:09.260 People went to Avatar because it was like a roller coaster.
00:36:11.840 It was like the first big 3D movie.
00:36:13.420 Yeah.
00:36:13.840 It was like those movies.
00:36:16.940 And James Cameron spent a lot of time, by the way, in the interim between Titanic and that.
00:36:21.480 Making those like you would make those like movies that you watch at the observatory kind of things where you're like or like, oh, wow, I'm at the planetarium.
00:36:29.520 But now I'm underwater.
00:36:30.760 Look at me.
00:36:31.460 Look at this.
00:36:32.080 Like like that.
00:36:32.880 That's all it was.
00:36:33.940 It was just a series of like scenescapes that looked cool in 3D.
00:36:38.480 And that's why I did so much business.
00:36:39.840 I was in China when it came out at one point.
00:36:42.440 And I mean, it was there'd be theaters in downtown Shanghai where it was the only thing playing on every screen in a 24 screen theater.
00:36:48.720 And the Chinese loved it because they'd never seen anything like that before.
00:36:52.240 But it wasn't because of like the, you know, the plot or anything like that.
00:36:57.080 Like they could care less.
00:36:58.020 Like they just thought it was like a cool experience.
00:37:00.660 And then we got Avatar 2, The Way of Water.
00:37:02.840 That already came out.
00:37:03.460 It already made over $2 billion.
00:37:05.680 And it was equally irrelevant.
00:37:07.900 Like or not irrelevant, but it had no staying power.
00:37:11.320 And that's what I have is.
00:37:12.660 I want to watch The Master again.
00:37:13.940 It's the Scientology movie.
00:37:15.320 I really want.
00:37:15.900 It's so good.
00:37:16.540 And so apparently adjusted for inflation, Gone with the Wind is still.
00:37:20.640 Yeah, Gone with the Wind is still number one.
00:37:21.820 Yeah, when you adjust for inflation, it's like Gone with the Wind and Star Wars.
00:37:26.760 Who watches these Avengers movies?
00:37:29.160 Dude, I have no idea.
00:37:30.240 Avengers Endgame, Avengers, Avatar.
00:37:32.100 I think Marvel Slop is one of the.
00:37:33.760 I just.
00:37:34.280 Oh.
00:37:35.160 No, people love their Marvel Slop.
00:37:37.520 Avengers Infinity War.
00:37:39.760 Avengers Endgame.
00:37:40.960 Like what is going on here?
00:37:42.520 They've been going down.
00:37:44.200 Yeah, they have.
00:37:44.780 All right, we need.
00:37:45.920 Okay, adjusted for inflation.
00:37:48.960 Now, this can all be pretty like misleading because like back in the day, a lot of these
00:37:53.960 movies didn't have like total global releases.
00:37:57.960 Yeah, total global.
00:37:58.900 And then E.T. is up there.
00:38:00.320 I think The Godfather is still one of the greatest movies of all time.
00:38:02.640 Oh, I could watch The Godfather 1.
00:38:04.000 I will die on that hill.
00:38:06.000 Godfather 1 is better than Godfather 2.
00:38:07.720 Correct.
00:38:08.180 But you know, Godfather.
00:38:09.320 Well, let me think about that.
00:38:11.340 3 is the worst, in my opinion.
00:38:12.540 I think 3 is the weakest.
00:38:13.260 I think everyone thinks 3 is the weakest, but it's still a good movie.
00:38:16.020 I like 2 because it's not a provocative tip.
00:38:18.860 I've never talked about Godfather in this show.
00:38:21.040 So the worst part about Godfather 3 is that Sofia Coppola is in it, and the best part of
00:38:26.020 Godfather 3 is that she gets shot at the end of The Godfather 3.
00:38:29.220 She's not that bad.
00:38:30.000 Spoilers.
00:38:31.060 People hate on her, but she's not that bad.
00:38:33.440 Let me think about this.
00:38:34.060 The reason I like Godfather 2, I think they successfully talked about the backstory, and they did
00:38:39.880 a really good job of flashbacking Godfather 2.
00:38:41.620 That's my problem with it.
00:38:43.160 You don't like it?
00:38:43.500 Because, well, we get this in a lot of movies now, where people will be like, this movie
00:38:47.200 was good because it explained how a thing happened, and who cares?
00:38:53.080 No, I think Godfather 2 is the same way.
00:38:55.580 It is exactly correct.
00:38:57.040 Back to the Future 2.
00:38:58.140 But that wasn't the only part of the movie.
00:38:59.820 It wasn't.
00:39:00.260 It wasn't.
00:39:00.760 But I would say, I think the stuff with Corleone is good.
00:39:05.120 I think the stuff with Michael is good, but they aren't really that strongly related to
00:39:09.300 each other.
00:39:09.820 I'm sure some film nerd can say, oh, these things play together.
00:39:15.180 But really, for the most part, they don't.
00:39:19.540 And you could tell the entire story that was in Godfather 2 from Michael's perspective
00:39:24.980 without needing the Vito stuff.
00:39:27.820 And really, the only part where the overlap matters is at the end where there's the flashback,
00:39:32.840 and it's right after he's killed his brother.
00:39:34.560 And his brother's the only one who sticks up for him when he joins the military.
00:39:38.300 That's a great scene.
00:39:39.440 You didn't need any of the prelude stuff.
00:39:41.180 Yeah, but that makes the whole movie.
00:39:43.180 Yeah, but none of the original Vito, cutting that dude open with a knife, has anything to
00:39:48.960 do with that.
00:39:49.060 You're just getting more information that you already knew that doesn't actually add to the
00:39:52.940 dramatic tension of the events that are ongoing.
00:39:55.780 Whereas in the first movie, it is a wholly self-contained film within one timeline, as
00:40:01.220 opposed to needing these bridges to go into the past that don't end up going away.
00:40:06.640 Also, you get rid of Robert De Niro.
00:40:09.140 And I think that's something we can all agree on.
00:40:11.680 Well, De Niro isn't Godfather 2, right?
00:40:14.180 Yeah, yeah.
00:40:14.580 He plays Godfather 2.
00:40:16.180 No, that's what I'm saying.
00:40:17.040 If you cut the flashbacks out, you would get rid of Robert De Niro.
00:40:19.660 I'm sorry.
00:40:20.560 Hot take.
00:40:21.020 He's actually a good actor.
00:40:21.800 Do you want my really controversial movie take?
00:40:23.880 No, I know, but he deserves to be obsessed.
00:40:25.080 I don't like Goodfellas.
00:40:26.840 I actively dislike it.
00:40:27.480 I agree.
00:40:28.380 I think it's overrated.
00:40:29.560 Yeah.
00:40:30.640 I'm not a huge fan.
00:40:32.340 Producer Foz is like, bang, you want to know?
00:40:35.360 The one with Jack Nicklaus is better than Goodfellas.
00:40:37.880 What's that one called?
00:40:38.580 The one we talked about, the Boston one.
00:40:40.060 Oh, yeah.
00:40:40.620 The Departed?
00:40:41.420 Much better than The Departed.
00:40:42.020 The Departed has The Departed.
00:40:43.140 The Departed is so good.
00:40:44.700 I love The Departed.
00:40:45.540 So first of all, this is me being super Midwestern German.
00:40:48.720 I generally don't like mob movies.
00:40:50.320 He's a good actor.
00:40:51.380 I'm sorry.
00:40:51.740 I hate how good of an actor he is.
00:40:52.560 I generally don't like mob movies because I personally watch them and I just want the
00:40:56.380 police to kick in the door and gun everyone down for the sake of law and order.
00:41:00.480 So I can't relate to these stories.
00:41:01.700 Is that really how...
00:41:02.260 So you don't like The Sopranos?
00:41:03.700 I've never seen The Sopranos.
00:41:04.720 Breaking Bad?
00:41:05.600 I've never seen Breaking Bad.
00:41:06.600 See, this is...
00:41:07.060 We've got to see...
00:41:07.760 You don't fully appeal to me.
00:41:08.900 See, all these...
00:41:09.640 That's so interesting.
00:41:10.480 So the Departed...
00:41:12.080 So, you know, what's interesting with The Departed...
00:41:13.680 You might want to go watch this.
00:41:14.760 It's a remake of a Hong Kong movie.
00:41:16.980 That's right.
00:41:17.180 And the Hong Kong movie is called Infernal Affairs, I believe.
00:41:20.580 Oh, it's Infernal.
00:41:21.220 Yeah.
00:41:21.440 Infernal Affairs, yeah.
00:41:22.100 And I haven't seen it, but my understanding is...
00:41:24.080 A big issue with it is in The Infernal Affairs, the Matt Damon equivalent character is
00:41:28.800 more sympathetic than he is in The Departed.
00:41:32.400 So he survives, I believe, the end of Infernal Affairs, but it's like, okay...
00:41:37.000 I think it's something like, you know, the Leonardo DiCaprio guy dies, but the Matt Damon
00:41:41.360 equivalent, like, goes straight as a cop.
00:41:43.060 I'm going off memory here.
00:41:44.340 It's been a long time.
00:41:45.360 But then when they made it in America, Matt Damon guy was so despicable that no one would
00:41:49.640 tolerate him surviving that movie.
00:41:51.620 So they clearly just ran out of...
00:41:53.420 They were like, how are we going to resolve this?
00:41:55.760 Kill everyone.
00:41:56.620 And they just killed everybody.
00:41:57.520 The amount of information you retain is unbelievable.
00:42:00.840 Infernal Affairs.
00:42:02.780 Infernal Affairs.
00:42:03.420 No, he's right.
00:42:03.800 I've seen the Hong Kong version with the...
00:42:08.460 Yeah, it was one of the movies I would watch when I was doing, like, language learning,
00:42:11.560 even though I don't speak Cantonese, but you can still do it with the Mandarin subtitles.
00:42:16.220 They're similar.
00:42:17.320 And you're right.
00:42:19.160 Like, the Matt Damon character is like...
00:42:21.560 He's just not a douchebag.
00:42:23.300 He is in The Departed version.
00:42:25.820 In The Departed version, you want him to get shot.
00:42:27.860 And then in this, it's like, oh, he's actually kind of cool.
00:42:30.860 Like, he's actually...
00:42:32.240 It's more like he's seen as, like, an upstanding, you know, honorable police officer who's put
00:42:38.760 into a bad situation, if that makes sense.
00:42:40.860 Now, are we Pulp Fiction fans?
00:42:43.240 Oh, yeah.
00:42:43.820 I love Pulp Fiction.
00:42:44.640 Have you seen Pulp Fiction?
00:42:45.320 It's Trump's favorite movie.
00:42:46.560 Is it really Trump's favorite movie?
00:42:48.560 Really?
00:42:49.600 It's not like Phantom of the Opera or something?
00:42:52.020 I never knew that was Trump's favorite movie.
00:42:53.580 Well, there is a Phantom of the Opera movie, but it sucks.
00:42:56.200 The Phantom of the Opera movie...
00:42:57.720 This is going to annoy you again, because I remember it.
00:43:00.240 So, the original Phantom of the Opera, the musical, takes place in the 1890s.
00:43:04.460 In the movie version, they changed the year to 1870 for no reason.
00:43:08.820 And that was the one year they should not have picked, because in 1870, Paris is surrounded
00:43:13.520 by the Prussian army, and they're all starving, and they're eating the animals in the city zoo.
00:43:17.720 It would be like if you made a movie that was set in 1955 Germany, and you just moved it
00:43:23.960 to 1945 for no reason, and there was no mention of World War II at all, and everything was
00:43:29.760 just normal.
00:43:30.740 I don't find that annoying, for the record.
00:43:32.880 I think it's really intriguing that you have all this information here, right?
00:43:36.880 Well, but at the same time, the real issue with that isn't the dating of it.
00:43:44.380 And by the way, Emily Rossum is fantastic in that.
00:43:47.380 It was that Gerard Butler can't sing.
00:43:49.720 For all the fun that he is, and the great characters that he's played in 300 and everything
00:43:54.340 else, I'm sorry, but I don't want...
00:43:56.880 King Leonidas should not be singing love songs to Christine Daae.
00:44:03.960 It really didn't work.
00:44:05.500 It really didn't work.
00:44:08.200 Well, that was a good time.
00:44:09.340 That was a good time.
00:44:09.800 That was good.
00:44:10.120 Yeah.
00:44:10.360 Thanks for taking us down movieville.
00:44:11.960 And then the dude from The Conjuring plays Red Bull.
00:44:14.400 Wait, wait.
00:44:15.140 If Pulp Fiction is Trump's favorite movie, Rapid Fire, what is your favorite movie, Tyler?
00:44:20.820 Go.
00:44:21.780 I'm a big...
00:44:23.200 I'm a big...
00:44:24.420 We were just talking about this.
00:44:26.280 Interstellar.
00:44:27.140 Oh, interesting.
00:44:27.960 Really?
00:44:28.060 I have a friend that's in there.
00:44:29.460 That's like a generic thing.
00:44:32.100 Isn't that Bradley Cooper?
00:44:32.800 You know what?
00:44:33.420 I'm out.
00:44:34.080 I can't do this.
00:44:35.200 We lost Jack.
00:44:36.440 It's Matthew McConaughey.
00:44:37.880 Matthew McConaughey.
00:44:38.400 I get those two confused all the time.
00:44:40.020 Yeah.
00:44:40.400 What about you, Blake?
00:44:41.100 Like...
00:44:41.460 Gun to Head, I usually...
00:44:44.180 I'm not like big on like number one favorites, but I usually will say like Die Hard is my
00:44:49.440 favorite action movie.
00:44:50.560 Love Die Hard.
00:44:50.760 And my favorite like comedy movie.
00:44:52.360 The original though, right?
00:44:53.020 I usually say...
00:44:54.060 Die Hards are great.
00:44:55.320 Die Hard 3 is great.
00:44:55.340 For comedies, I usually say Thank You for Smoking.
00:44:57.600 Die Hard 2 sucks.
00:44:58.600 Thank You for Smoking is really good if you've never seen it.
00:45:00.360 Die Hard 3?
00:45:00.960 Which one is that?
00:45:01.640 That's the one in New York.
00:45:03.080 The Bombs in New York.
00:45:04.100 Yeah.
00:45:04.760 Wait.
00:45:05.340 Thank You for Smoking.
00:45:05.840 Samuel L. Jackson.
00:45:06.780 That's David Sacks movie.
00:45:08.640 Oh, yeah.
00:45:09.000 He was involved in that.
00:45:09.760 Yeah.
00:45:10.000 He was the producer.
00:45:10.560 So was Elon.
00:45:12.000 Elon Musk had a cameo.
00:45:13.500 Thank You for Smoking.
00:45:15.760 Die Hard 3 is really funny because Die Hard has the best TV edits.
00:45:22.680 So like in Die Hard...
00:45:24.560 To make him...
00:45:24.960 Well, in Die Hard 3, remember the villain makes him like wear the sign...
00:45:27.420 I don't remember it.
00:45:28.380 I gotta see.
00:45:29.100 He has the sign that says I hate N-words.
00:45:31.560 Oh, I don't like that one.
00:45:32.080 In the town.
00:45:32.740 And then on TV, they edit it digitally to say I hate everyone.
00:45:37.020 And it makes it really funny because then this crowd is surrounding him and like threatening
00:45:41.060 to like, you know, kill him or beat the crap out of him.
00:45:42.940 It's like, they're really militant about him saying he hates everyone.
00:45:47.080 The first Die Hard is one of the greatest movies.
00:45:48.280 And then on the first one, when he says, you know, Yippee-Ki-Yay, you know, MF-er, they
00:45:53.380 change it to Yippee-Ki-Yay, Mr. Falcon on TV.
00:45:57.140 Wait, I have a thought crime on this.
00:45:58.780 I have a thought crime on this.
00:45:59.660 My thought crime on this is that I like Lethal Weapon and the Lethal Weapon series better
00:46:04.060 than Die Hard.
00:46:04.760 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:46:06.560 That's a hot thing.
00:46:07.520 What's her name?
00:46:07.840 I've always liked to be better.
00:46:08.760 Full Circle.
00:46:08.940 What was Rene Russo or Rene, right?
00:46:11.680 Full Circle.
00:46:12.300 Who are the bad guys in Lethal Weapon 2?
00:46:14.700 I don't remember.
00:46:15.700 The South Africans.
00:46:16.780 The South Africans.
00:46:17.780 And they have diplomatic immunity and they're using it to do crimes.
00:46:21.460 But then they revoke it.
00:46:22.020 Who are the bad guys in, who are the real bad guys based on in Die Hard 1?
00:46:26.340 Die Hard 1?
00:46:27.140 It was a bunch of irritating Germans.
00:46:29.100 Yeah, it was Scandinavians, too.
00:46:30.960 Right, but they're based on the Red Army faction who are an actual left-wing KGB front
00:46:36.660 group that operate in West Germany.
00:46:38.940 By the way, there's such an op on the modern American mind of who we villainize because
00:46:45.280 of these movies, right?
00:46:46.840 Like, it is plausible that we hate South Africans or a certain cohort hates South Africans simply
00:46:54.660 because of the movie depictions and things like that.
00:46:56.640 I mean, we really have to be on guard for that, right?
00:46:58.260 But, I mean, I grew up hating Germans when I was, like, 12 years old because of all the
00:47:02.580 World War II movies I watched.
00:47:03.580 If you want to really...
00:47:04.240 What was your guys' favorite movie, though?
00:47:05.540 Same.
00:47:05.980 Oh.
00:47:07.320 Godfather or Lord of the Rings.
00:47:09.480 Oh, no.
00:47:10.180 We'll go down that track.
00:47:10.760 Is the Godfather gay?
00:47:13.360 No.
00:47:14.020 Godfather's the least gay.
00:47:15.880 It's a movie filled with Italians being emotional.
00:47:18.320 No.
00:47:20.420 You're just being ridiculous.
00:47:22.100 With Italians being emotional?
00:47:24.100 Dude, this is the thing.
00:47:24.900 Italian men can get away with way more effeminate stuff and still be straight as an arrow.
00:47:30.060 People are going to laugh.
00:47:30.720 I like The Dark Knight.
00:47:31.740 I think it's a great movie.
00:47:32.360 Oh, The Dark Knight's great.
00:47:33.260 I think it's a classic, actually.
00:47:34.580 I could watch The Dark Knight.
00:47:35.580 Okay.
00:47:36.200 I agree with you.
00:47:37.180 It's really hard for me to pin one down.
00:47:38.660 I was going to go with The Godfather 2.
00:47:42.380 I like it better than one, but I love one.
00:47:44.320 And then I was going to go with Back...
00:47:45.620 This is going to get me in trouble.
00:47:47.040 Back to the Future 2.
00:47:48.020 2.
00:47:48.760 2.
00:47:49.380 I love going to the future.
00:47:51.040 Yes.
00:47:51.380 Back to the future 2.
00:47:52.080 I love the hoverboard stuff, but that's just watchability.
00:47:57.020 He goes to the future and then goes back in time.
00:47:59.120 It's got everything.
00:48:00.020 I'm going to have another really terrible take.
00:48:01.580 You guys are going to hate me for this, but Good Will Hunting, I still love that movie.
00:48:05.360 I know.
00:48:05.960 I know.
00:48:06.620 What is wrong with you?
00:48:07.920 I like that.
00:48:08.720 Let me think about the same movie.
00:48:09.360 Let me see.
00:48:09.600 My second top movie is Fury.
00:48:11.400 I love Fury.
00:48:12.000 What is wrong with you?
00:48:13.140 I haven't seen Fury.
00:48:13.460 Oh, Fury's great movie.
00:48:14.380 No, it's not a great movie.
00:48:15.240 Speaking of villains and who we're allowed to have as villains, did you ever see this?
00:48:18.980 It's also a terrible Ben Affleck and terrible Ben Affleck movie.
00:48:21.060 It was pre-Ben Affleck and J-Lo and all the terrible Ben Affleck movies that also go
00:48:26.400 into who we can have as villains.
00:48:27.700 Did you ever see The Sum of All Fears?
00:48:29.280 Yeah, I hate that movie.
00:48:29.900 So The Sum of All Fears, the book by Tom Clancy, the villains who get a nuclear bomb
00:48:34.260 and they use it to blow up the Denver Broncos, I think.
00:48:37.140 Yeah, the stadium.
00:48:37.860 Um, the villains in that are Islamic terrorists and when they made the movie in 2002, they
00:48:43.520 were like, we can't attack the religion of peace.
00:48:45.420 That's not okay.
00:48:46.020 So they got rid of the Islamic terrorists and they made them neo-Nazis instead.
00:48:49.900 And then he was also on Bill Maher being like, you can't say that about Muslims.
00:48:54.020 Uh, Ben, one good Ben Affleck movie that doesn't get enough appreciation, The Town.
00:49:00.020 He went back to Boston for-
00:49:01.440 The Town's all right.
00:49:02.360 The Town's good.
00:49:03.220 It's all right.
00:49:03.660 It's legitimately a good film.
00:49:05.100 It's all right.
00:49:05.660 It's a good flick.
00:49:06.280 It's a solid film.
00:49:07.060 You know who's one of those underrated actors?
00:49:09.000 I was looking-
00:49:09.400 Russell Crowe.
00:49:10.160 Russell Crowe.
00:49:10.760 Russell Crowe.
00:49:11.460 Very underrated.
00:49:11.920 Well, The Gladiator is still one of my tops.
00:49:13.720 And by the way, I wanted to say, I wanted to say-
00:49:17.000 They don't make movies like that anymore.
00:49:18.520 The new Gladiator-
00:49:19.460 Russell Crowe is terrible.
00:49:20.140 I didn't say Braveheart, but I thought it was too cliche.
00:49:22.780 So Ridley Scott, I'm sure the original Gladiator's good.
00:49:26.740 Alien's good.
00:49:28.420 Napoleon and Gladiator 2 are two of the worst movies I have ever seen in my life.
00:49:34.840 If you ever want, Charlie, if we need to fill time, you can give me a camera and a microphone
00:49:39.160 and I could go for an hour straight uninterrupted on how bad Napoleon was.
00:49:43.780 That was a terrible-
00:49:44.840 We did that before.
00:49:46.240 Now, here's the question.
00:49:47.300 Yeah, we did, but we didn't go along enough on it.
00:49:49.460 I could have really-
00:49:50.640 Go back to Russell Crowe, though, because we got to say, it's just weird, though, when
00:49:55.140 I see the current big, fat Russell Crowe as opposed to the Gladiator Russell Crowe,
00:50:02.200 because in my head, that's always who he'll be.
00:50:04.780 But I guess he's on that Taylor Swift tour diet or something, because he's just all chubbed
00:50:09.320 up now.
00:50:09.880 And he's in those-
00:50:10.420 He got fat during A Beautiful Mind, which was right next to-
00:50:13.000 Yeah, Russell Crowe's gained a ton of weight.
00:50:14.520 The Shawshank Redemption, I forgot.
00:50:16.060 That's a great-
00:50:16.560 That video of him driving the little scooter in The Pope's Exorcist is like the funniest
00:50:22.880 thing.
00:50:24.140 That became this meme for a while, because it's just like, it's big, fat Russell Crowe driving
00:50:28.800 a tiny little Vespa around Vatican City in, you know, in a priest cassock.
00:50:33.640 You know what's another great movie?
00:50:35.160 Reservoir Dogs.
00:50:36.080 Great movie.
00:50:36.960 Fight Club.
00:50:37.440 Oh, yeah.
00:50:37.920 Good movie.
00:50:38.880 Do you guys like Reservoir Dogs?
00:50:40.440 Love Reservoir Dogs.
00:50:41.220 I don't-
00:50:41.680 So I've-
00:50:42.260 I'm sure it's fine.
00:50:43.180 I haven't seen it.
00:50:43.840 I overall don't-
00:50:45.200 I overall don't like Quentin Tarantino that much.
00:50:47.920 I feel like whenever I'm watching a Quentin Tarantino movie, I can't help escaping the
00:50:51.940 feeling, this is a movie made by a really weird person.
00:50:54.980 Of course he is.
00:50:55.520 He's a sick puppy.
00:50:56.120 But he's obsessed with feet.
00:50:57.520 He's objectively good.
00:50:58.640 He's obsessed with feet and is weird.
00:51:00.300 Yeah, he's got a toe fetish.
00:51:01.900 This is a real thing.
00:51:02.340 Yeah, he's got a toe fetish.
00:51:03.740 He has his people talk forever in a way that I don't find interesting.
00:51:09.740 I just-
00:51:10.100 I like Kill Bill.
00:51:11.280 I just remembered the Russell Crowe, Roger Ailes.
00:51:15.280 Did you watch The Loudest Voice?
00:51:17.440 No.
00:51:18.220 No one's watched this.
00:51:20.580 You got to watch it.
00:51:22.260 Wait, he interviewed him or something?
00:51:23.740 No, he played Roger Ailes.
00:51:25.680 It's not a great depiction of Fox and all that stuff, so it's not like-
00:51:30.620 Oh, man.
00:51:31.580 Do you guys remember the first time you saw Memento?
00:51:33.660 Do you remember that?
00:51:34.040 I have not seen Memento.
00:51:34.940 And even if I had, I would have forgotten it because you don't remember things.
00:51:38.980 It's a mind-blowing.
00:51:39.600 I don't want to ruin it, but you should watch Memento.
00:51:43.600 Speaking of Quentin Tarantino, you know that new movie Sinners that's out right now is
00:51:48.600 a total ripoff of Dust Till Dawn?
00:51:51.020 No.
00:51:52.840 It's the vampire one that he did with George Clooney, by the way, who has been in the news
00:51:58.260 this week for Joe Biden, apparently, that the new movie Sinners, Michael B. Jordan,
00:52:03.800 is kind of like a South Africa version of that because it's literally just a movie about
00:52:07.440 instead of like two guys trying to fight against vampires in a bar, it's two black guys killing
00:52:13.900 white vampires also in a bar.
00:52:19.960 I missed that last part.
00:52:21.520 Also in a bar, he said.
00:52:22.920 It's basically, yeah.
00:52:23.800 Also in a bar.
00:52:24.600 Wait, we do actually have topics that we were prepared for.
00:52:27.360 Should we move on?
00:52:28.600 We have meetings like stacked, so let's go five more minutes.
00:52:31.420 Do a quick, super, pick your best one.
00:52:34.280 I literally have three more meetings.
00:52:35.960 All right.
00:52:37.100 Welcome to the office.
00:52:38.180 They brought, they made Pete Rose eligible for the Hall of Fame.
00:52:42.060 Did you hear about this?
00:52:42.600 Let's go.
00:52:43.680 Do we have to do this again?
00:52:44.860 Yes, we do.
00:52:45.940 So they announced that the ban, Manfred, the commissioner of baseball, announced that
00:52:52.920 they are revoking the ban on.
00:52:55.440 You are obsessed with Pete Rose.
00:52:57.160 Yeah, because I like him.
00:52:59.180 Blake doesn't like him.
00:53:00.560 We can talk about the Menendez brothers if you want.
00:53:02.200 Do you want to do that?
00:53:02.860 No, five for five minutes.
00:53:03.780 Menendez brothers should have been shot.
00:53:04.680 Never bet against this team.
00:53:06.100 Most hits in MLB history.
00:53:07.620 He totally bet against this team.
00:53:08.520 17-time All-Star at five different positions.
00:53:12.180 Three-time world champion.
00:53:13.780 The guy that bans him died the next week.
00:53:15.640 Rookie of the year.
00:53:15.980 Two gold gloves.
00:53:16.700 Silver slugger.
00:53:17.300 World Series MVP.
00:53:18.480 I mean, come on.
00:53:19.000 Okay, so there was another guy.
00:53:20.480 Played like it was his last game.
00:53:21.520 There was another guy that Rob Manfred revoked the ban on.
00:53:26.720 I'm trying to remember the name.
00:53:28.500 But he was involved in corrupting the morals of a 14-year-old girl.
00:53:34.700 Would you at least oppose putting that guy in the Hall of Fame?
00:53:36.500 Yes, I didn't know who that is.
00:53:37.740 Pete Rose.
00:53:39.420 Pete Rose also did that.
00:53:40.920 Can you prove it?
00:53:41.880 Well, he admitted it in court.
00:53:43.880 Well, I mean, it depends what you mean by corrupting the morals.
00:53:45.460 I think he did.
00:53:46.840 Well, you know.
00:53:47.640 Was he like criminally convicted for being a pedophile?
00:53:50.860 He was sued for it later and admitted that they had a relationship.
00:53:54.340 It was the 70s.
00:53:55.800 I'm just kidding.
00:53:56.680 I'm not going to.
00:53:57.280 Okay.
00:53:57.900 I'm kidding.
00:53:59.280 Like, I don't know.
00:54:00.780 I don't know that part of it.
00:54:01.860 That's a lesser known part of the discussion, candidly.
00:54:05.080 Was that based on it?
00:54:06.400 Was his prohibition based on that?
00:54:07.740 No, that just came out later in addition to all the gambling he did.
00:54:12.060 He just doesn't seem to have been a very good guy, unfortunately.
00:54:15.800 And he totally bet on baseball.
00:54:17.060 But not great people are still allowed to be in the Hall of Fame.
00:54:19.560 Yeah.
00:54:19.960 But not great people who accepted.
00:54:21.480 Character test.
00:54:22.020 Keep in mind.
00:54:22.480 Keep in mind.
00:54:22.800 For me, the key thing about Pete Rose, when he says he didn't bet against his own team,
00:54:27.720 is that he lied at every step of the process.
00:54:30.360 He said, I don't bet.
00:54:32.020 And then he said, I bet, but not on baseball.
00:54:34.140 And then he said, I bet on baseball, but not in games my own team was involved in.
00:54:40.200 And we finally got up to the point of, I bet on my own team, but never against my own team.
00:54:44.800 And that is when he accepted a ban to stop any further investigation.
00:54:49.520 And that's key to me.
00:54:50.320 He took the ban to avoid any further investigation, which could have been criminal in nature.
00:54:55.560 So he took this ban to stay out of prison.
00:54:57.360 And then he suddenly tries to have it both ways by coming back 15 years later and saying,
00:55:02.520 now I'm going to admit I bet, but not on my own team.
00:55:05.800 Just I'm going to admit betting, or not against my own team.
00:55:09.160 I'll admit I bet, including on my own team, but please don't do all the, you know, now please let me into the hall.
00:55:15.960 Just stop the investigation.
00:55:16.500 He always was just, he would lie on everything.
00:55:19.180 And then when he thought there was some advantage to admitting some part of it, he would finally cop to it.
00:55:24.200 And so I just think he has no credibility for that sort of thing.
00:55:27.560 And then he also just does other crappy stuff.
00:55:28.660 But that's not what the hall of fame is about.
00:55:29.760 That's not what the hall of fame is about.
00:55:31.520 Should steroid guys get in the hall of fame?
00:55:33.220 No.
00:55:33.360 Look, Blake, there's a point here.
00:55:34.860 The effect of their performance.
00:55:35.620 Babe Ruth was, like, really objectively a bad dude.
00:55:40.460 Really?
00:55:41.240 No.
00:55:41.660 Yeah, Babe Ruth.
00:55:42.320 What did he do?
00:55:42.980 Have you not researched anything about Babe Ruth?
00:55:44.720 What did he do?
00:55:45.460 The guy, like, lived in whorehouses and, like, and just drank and drank himself to the ball club.
00:55:53.720 No, no, no.
00:55:54.040 He drank?
00:55:55.120 He would be, he would be, he would be literally on the floor and he would pick him up.
00:56:00.560 He'd go up and swing and hit the ball.
00:56:03.140 He was, he was, he was still great.
00:56:04.180 That makes him more impressive as a baseball player.
00:56:06.540 Yeah, but everything you're saying is, like, he's just a bad dude.
00:56:09.080 Babe Ruth was, like, a bad dude.
00:56:10.500 I don't think having alcohol is comparable to, like, betting on baseball.
00:56:14.800 He was a raging alcoholic.
00:56:16.200 He lived in, like, in literal, the slums with, like, I'm telling you, like, whorehouses.
00:56:25.040 Like, this is what he did.
00:56:26.520 And what you're saying is, just because he's a bad guy, he shouldn't.
00:56:29.620 We should still celebrate Babe Ruth as the baseball player that he was.
00:56:33.180 We gotta go.
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