THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 89 — Mamdani The Gross？ 4 A.M. Club？ Mandela Effects？
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Jack, Andrew, Blake, and Jacky talk about Zoran Mamdani's comments about eating on camera, and why you should never eat on camera. Also, a new conspiracy theory about the government spying on its own citizens.
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DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
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Jack, throwing to you, can you please eat rice with your hands?
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Can you please eat rice with your hands on screen?
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Yeah, no, I've got some rice here down by my feet,
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And I'm going to be using those to raise them up to just eat with my hands.
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I want to go and actually eat the rice with my hands on the subway itself
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so that all the people around me get to feel and smell the festive aroma of my rice
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and my slop and my goo and my sauce and slime out there.
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Okay, so people know that I have for a long time,
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and I know that I've said this a number of times on this show,
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that I have really weird, really, you know, angry responses
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when people don't, you know, people make like eating sounds.
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Oh, Jack, that's why I threw to you, Jack gets really upset.
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Like I had to like go off, I had to walk off the show a couple weeks ago.
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And yeah, something like, no, what you mean, though,
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is like something like this wouldn't necessarily trigger it.
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if he was like stuffing his mouth too full or something like that.
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But I've always been critical of people, of politicians.
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There was a dude, Pallave or whatever, up in Canada
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who was chewing an apple like really loudly while he was mic'd up
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I couldn't stand that when there was another guy with the, you know,
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John Kasich just shoving, shoveling, you know, pizza into his mouth
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or Pete Buttigieg, the way he was like, he was eating,
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I guess he was eating like drumsticks or something in this one video.
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And he was at the Iowa State Fair and he was like shoving the entire drumstick
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in his mouth and opening his mouth as wide as possible to eat it.
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And I can remember this stuff because it literally bothers me that much.
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And so, yeah, when you look at something like this,
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If you're in politics, you know, just word to the wise,
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And trying to run in the United States of America.
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I mean, my gosh, you know, we, you know, we use utensils here.
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And by the way, like this guy grew up and, and I, I don't know,
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like all of his background, but he grew up rich, right?
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He is like, his mom's like this famous film director.
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He went to all sorts of, you know, like, like a $60,000 a year school.
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So, I mean, this is, dad's an Ivy league professor.
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So yeah, this idea that like, oh yeah, this is, no, it's, it's, it's a joke.
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He's obviously just doing this to say like, oh, I'm one of you.
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And in fact, earlier on the show today on, on human events,
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we were talking about how this is just another example of a Leninist who just
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like in, in, um, the original version of Leninism, what did Leninism target?
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It used people to sort of LARPing as the working class to claim that they were part
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They were overeducated sons and daughters, mainly sons, obviously of upper class,
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rich people who didn't have really anything better to do with their lives.
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So they said, oh, we're going to be this vanguard of the proletariat.
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And we're going to take over all of Russia's urban centers.
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This is literally, if you look at his electorate, what he's been doing.
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So it's, it's sort of a tie between the new arrivals, first generation immigrants,
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and the, you know, sort of, uh, urban elite youth who are just sort of lackadaisical
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and, and don't have anything better to do with their lives.
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And it's the exact same electoral coalition that Vladimir Lenin used when communism was
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So what is the most defensible part, Andrew, of his, his thing is the fact that he's a
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Muslim, the fact that he's a socialist, the fact that he eats with his rights with his
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hands, the fact that he's a phony, he's a foreigner, he wants to turn New York into
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I mean, I, I actually want to hear Blake's take on this, but you did call on me.
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He LARPs as a working, you know, man, like one of the, one of the people.
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And I think he just heaps disdain on our culture.
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I think all of those things are equally offensive.
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Not to mention what Jack said really resonated with me that he can't find anything better to
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do with his life because he's a rich kid son and a rich, rich mom.
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So he's the son of a wealthy family can't find anything better to do with his time.
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So he, he acts like he's a man of the people and he's really concerned about affordability.
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And the, the fact that this is working on such a large swath of even the New York electorate,
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And, you know, I, I just think the, what I will tell you talking to people, some of
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my friends and family that are not as political or plugged in, they don't understand why the
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eating with the hands thing is so offensive, but it is by far one of the most offensive
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things, uh, I think to our team and our people that are really plugged in.
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Who, who said that it's not, that they don't understand it.
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They, just some of, uh, my friends and family that are not as like, they're like, ah, okay.
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It's a little funny just cause like we also eat with our bare hands all the time.
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Rice is like the most disgusting thing to be like slurping it into your mouth.
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Yeah, it's, it's like, you're in New York and it's not just rice, but like rice with
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like curry and, and you're in New York city and all sorts of things.
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No, like to me, what's most appalling about it, it's not so much that it's gross in and
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It's that it is fake and, and more than just it being fake, like Mamdani is not, he's
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And a thing about like psychopaths, like real, legit, manipulative, lacking in emotion, lacking
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in empathy, psychopaths who are extremely common in radical left-wing politics.
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They're often rated by observers as really authentic.
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So you'll hear all these takes like, oh, Mamdani, he's so authentic cause he represents this, like
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And like, I look at Mamdani and all I think is like, this guy is an obvious scheming psychopath
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who he, like you could slightly change the inputs and this guy would decide a completely
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different political platform is how he could get to power.
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But he happens to have grown up in this world where radical far left politics is the way
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So I'm almost not even as worried as some people that if he won, he would necessarily
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do all of his agenda because so much of his agenda, I suspect, is the means of assent.
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And like once he's in power, he would be focused on like entrenching his power and like taking
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Like the problem would not so much be that we have a communist.
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So you mean like every literal communist movement?
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Yeah, the problem would be having a psychopath in power, not having a communist in power.
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Everything's so stage managed, the fake accents, the fake third worldism.
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This has always been, this is what you're talking about is my contention though, is that that
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is actually how communism works in reality, in practice, right?
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It's that the, the, this, and I saw that like Fox News had this capitalism versus socialism
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and here are the things that he's claiming for, they always claim those things.
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Oh, we're going to have free stuff for everyone.
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What they want is all of the things, Blake, that you are saying.
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So at my, the, the thesis, and this was the whole like, like book that I wrote last year
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about this was that the communists don't actually believe in communism.
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They just want to jump ahead to the subjugating their enemies and rewarding their friends part.
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And like, that's why you'd end up with these like crappy state run grocery stores.
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It'd just be like, it would be a way to, yeah, like entrench the authority and like
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He would be able to control who got the contract.
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That's like a way to, again, enhance his power, reduce everyone else's power.
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And it doesn't require the city to actually be nice in any way.
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One of the most toxic things about urban politics in particular actually is there's often a lot
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of reason to make the city worse because you drive out the people who oppose you and there
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are going to be a diehard base that elects you to matter.
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It's super dark, but like that's, for example, uh, I think the original person this was coined
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for was a longtime mayor of Boston who kind of drove all, he was like, his base was Irish.
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This is when I, you know, there was like a lot of Irish, uh, that was kind of like the
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core working class base in Boston and he would like always win with Irish voters and he kind
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of just turned out a lot of the upper middle class that opposed him, but the Irish base
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And he just got to the point where he could never lose a more recent example, uh, Detroit.
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So Detroit was like 50, 50 in the late sixties and they elected a Coleman young and Coleman
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young was a horrible mayor of Detroit, but he was so horrible that he drove all the anti
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Coleman young people out of Detroit Auburn Hills.
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Yeah. And he just became this like emperor of Detroit. And you know, even, even if your
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city's a dump, being the mayor of the city, that's a dump is pretty nice.
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Well, we have to remember though, I mean, and Blake might have a different opinion here.
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He said something in the chat, so I want you to defend it. But New York was really bad in
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the seventies and eighties week. And you're like, well, even though it gets bad, it's not
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as bad as other cities, but New York does have a history of being a complete rat hole.
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Yes. Like when Donald Trump first came onto the scene in like 1970s, it was legitimate
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like prostitutes on almost every corner. It was a litter filled city. The famous one
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is really bad. The infamous one is if you watch Taxi Driver, like they're going to these like
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nudie theaters that are showing like dirty movies. Those were in Times Square. You just
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had striptease movies in Times Square. You could get mugged just walking out of one of those
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places in Times Square. So let's just first take two, let's just do two lessons here. Number
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one, it's a lesson that things in America can get better. That they actually, just because
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you're in a cycle of decline doesn't mean it has to. But number two, it goes that New York
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can also go back to that. But you're a little bit less convinced. But I look at London, I'm
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So London, London can, is definitely gone downhill, but it's never gone downhill nearly as bad as
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They were doing, you know, burning down buildings.
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No, just to give the scale of it, I think in its absolute worst year, which I think was
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1991, one of the sort of late 80s, early 90s span, New York, I think, broke 2,000 murders
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Incomprehensible. I mean, Chicago at its worst, which smaller city, of course, but Chicago
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Yeah, maybe like 800 during one of the peak Floyd years. And then, so imagine more than double
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But do you think that it's realistic that New York could get, like how Boston was, or
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Detroit, where they just run people out and it starts to become a gutter?
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It's harder. You don't, like New York is more diverse. There's more like levers you have
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There's the boroughs. There's like a lot of entrenched groups that are really centered
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on New York. I think it would be hard, like just as an example, you have, you know, several
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hundred thousand like Orthodox Jews. I don't think they're going to get like turfed out
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terribly easily. A lot of their culture is like based there. So that's like a political
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bedrock. There's always people predicting that like the financial institutions will leave
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New York and it's like, they're just like unkillable. I mean, some are going to Miami.
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Some are, some are, or even just Jersey. But like the New York Stock Exchange is in New
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York and there's clearly a lot of like cultural power to that. You can definitely make New
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York worse. He can definitely drive a lot of people out of New York. He can definitely
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make it worse on the margins. You would have to make it really, really, really bad to get
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back into that death spiral of the seventies and eighties where it was just unlivably terrible
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in huge parts of the, of the city. Um, another part of it is like New York's gotten very
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diverse, but like it's gotten diverse with groups that aren't necessarily like going
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to destroy the city. Like you have a lot of Asian immigrants.
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Here's a good trivia question. Of all New York city voters, what borough has the most voters?
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Uh, the most voters, uh, let me think. Queens? I think Brooklyn has the most people. Queens,
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Queens would be my guess off the top of my head. My guess would be probably Brooklyn because
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most people and Queens, I think. I would have said Manhattan. I would have said Manhattan,
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but so Brooklyn has 30%. It's the most populous borough by far, followed by Queens. Uh, very
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immigrant, very diverse. Manhattan is 19%. The Bronx is 15%. And then Staten Island is 6%,
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which Staten Island is like the MAGA core. I'm actually, I would have not been surprised
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if Queens was somehow even behind Manhattan just because there's so many immigrants. I
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wouldn't be surprised if the non-citizen percentage was higher, but, uh, yeah, no, it's like, it's
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the outer boroughs that decide these. I think Manhattan looms so large in the cultural consciousness
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that it dominates and people just sort of assume that's New York. But most of New York is
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just this vast sprawl of the Long Island boroughs in the Bronx. And that will decide the way things go.
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So Andrew, how does this then impact politics nationally? We had Mark Halpern on the podcast
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and he said that Democrats are worried that he's going to become the poster child
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Yeah, I think that, you know, I think that we don't know, first of all, but I would say that
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I sort of agree with some of the things Blake has said that, that is, this is now out in the open.
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He is the test case of whether or not a far left socialist or communist can just be out with
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his public opinion, seizing, uh, the means of production, which is straight out of the Mark's
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playbook. Uh, you are going full anti-whitey, right? You're going, we're going to tax whiter
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neighborhoods, globalize the intifada, all of these things he's just now out and out and proud
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with. But you also made this point with Mark that this has been going on really since Occupy
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Wall Street movement. But then Bernie Sanders won the, Bernie Sanders won the, um, 2016 primary,
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Democrat primary. The, you, you have to understand the modern Democrat party is a socialist party,
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if not largely a communist party. So that's what we're up against. There is institutional backing
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for these things. And if they, if, if he proves that he can win by being out and proud with this
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stuff, then guess what? All the Democrats, the establishment Democrats that have, have said these
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things maybe behind closed doors are now going to start saying this in public. So this, these people
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really believe this. I think that you also made a really interesting point about how our nation is,
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the inequality gap between the really, really rich and the really, really poor is growing. And that
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creates an opening for the mom Donnies of the world. And I think that's a, you cannot overlook that.
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And you cannot overlook the fact that, that these ideas while tried and, and tested and have been
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proven failures throughout history, that a whole new generation of Americans are not going to simply
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embrace them because either they want to see everything burned down or they believe the lies
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that it's never really been tried before. And that mom Donnies, he's just a really good guy. So he's
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going to, he's going to be the one that finally gets this right. Um, I, I'm to be honest, I think
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we're in a really dangerous place. And just because we had an election win in 2024, I, I, we could,
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this can all slip away very quickly and we could, we could, uh, see New York as, as the precursor of
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things that come now. Yeah. He's going to, he's going to present a foil and we have to win. We have
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to win that argument in the public square, but it's going to be a real challenge. I, I'm, I'm think
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I'm going into this wide eyed. I don't think he's just some clown that's, that's going to be easy.
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He's got real talent. He, and I agree with Blake. I think there's something psychopathic about
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him, but Blake, I'm sorry, Jack, let's go a level deeper. Jack, here's my advice,
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both privately and publicly to the Trump political team, to anyone that wants to run for president
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in 2028. Here is my advice. And I tell them this, I say the following. I say, if we do not
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start to rebuild the American middle class and build an economy of owners, you are going to get
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hundreds of mom Donnie's across the country. Inequality price of living economics is actually
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what is driving this lunatic. Look, I'm, I'm happy to talk about the fact he's Muslim. People are afraid
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to talk about it. I'm happy to talk about the fact third worlder, but he does have an emphasis
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and a focus on economics. I want you to answer that question. And then Angelo, while we're doing
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this, can you get the coat, the cut of mom Donnie saying he wouldn't visit a foreign country? Cause
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I want to talk about that second, but first Blake, Jack, I want you to focus on what does it mean if
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we do not, if we do not have a middle-class economy again, what would that mean for our national
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politics? So Charlie, here's, here's what's going on in, uh, the populist movement and why
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populism is on the rise. Populism is on the rise. Go back to the very, very, very initial start of
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the tea party, which you can say is the rise of the populist right. And then occupy wall street was
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the rise of the populist left. So you got 2011, 2012, right around the same timeframe, but all of
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which was happening in the wake of what it was happening in the wake of, or no, even prior, excuse me,
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the tea party was 20, 2009, 2010. And so the, it was the bail, it was the bailouts, right? The bailout,
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the massive bank bailouts of the global financial crisis. And then Rick Santilli gets up on, on,
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uh, CNBC and says, they are, they are screwing you over everyone. Who's a homeowner, they're screwing
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you over and they're going to sell out your, or they're going to help out your big banks. Those guys
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are going to get these massive bailouts from government and George W. Bush in a clip, by the
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way, that has been almost completely scrubbed from the internet. I was able to track it down a couple
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of months ago, but a clip that's almost completely scrubbed says we're going to use socialism to save
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capitalism. Yeah. I remember socialism to save capitalism. Everything from that point on has led
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to this massive infusion of through what you call it quantitative easing, whatever this huge money
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printing that's happened has created massive wealth disparities in the United States. Now you can call
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me whatever you want, what kind of names are, Oh, you're a conservative. You're not supposed to be
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talking about wealth inequality. Well, it's true. Okay. It's just true. So people can see that those
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are the top are getting massively wealthy and are exorbitantly just taking off and skyrocketing off
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into the, uh, solar system. Literally in the case of Jeff Bezos at one point, remember Jeff Bezos during the,
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during the COVID lockdowns during the pandemic was flying around conducting an orbit of the planet.
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Well, everyone else was locked down on, you know, on earth. This was like the plot of a bad
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sci-fi movie with Matt Damon. Uh, and it generated a lot of ill will towards what we call the billionaires
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and millionaires or the capitalist class, whatever you want to call it. Okay. And so the way that the
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populist right wants to address this problem through president Trump, through populist nationalism,
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through America first is to say, Hey, we, we don't disparage success, but what we want is for all, uh,
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all tides, all boats to rise with that rising tide. We want to increase the floor. We want to raise the
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floor, the level of that up for lower class, working class, and then middle class. So, and allow people,
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by the way, access to that middle class lifestyle that they've been trying to do. And particularly,
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you see this with young voters, what the populist left wants to do is they want to take this situation.
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And by the way, these numbers are growing, they're growing across the country. Uh, and there's a lot
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of, this is what generates, by the way, the intergenerational conflict that you see between
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zoomers and baby boomers right now, which is massive and absolutely real. And if anyone who doesn't,
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uh, believe this, so, I mean, you're just, you're just not paying attention. Uh, Charlie,
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you, you see this, I'm sure a ton on campus, but the, what the populist left wants is Luigi
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Maggioni. They want Luigi Maggioni to come in and just start taking out, just start taking out the,
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sorry, that was something on my, on my end. No, that was, uh, I think, uh, AOC, AOC actually just
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popped up on the, on the screen there. She's so angry. Um, so the populist left, they want Luigi
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Maggioni, they want people to start tearing them apart and they want to tear down everything that
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these CEOs and, and billionaires and wealthy have. And so you're really left with two viable political
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options. One viable option is the path of MAGA, the path of populist right to say, we can do this
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and we can, we can settle these issues in a way that's, you know, to use the phrase equitable for
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all, or you can go the populist left route and the populist left route. It's, it's amazing because
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you've got Zora Mondani and Luigi Maggioni. This takes place in the same city, right? So Luigi
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Maggioni just committed a street execution of a CEO on the streets of New York city, the same city
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where Zora Mondani, who is preaching the very same, uh, you know, rhetoric that Luigi did, um, you know,
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comes in and says, well, we can do this by, you know, by election and we can do this by law,
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but the pressures don't go away. What you've really got are kind of the Bolsheviks and the
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Mensheviks, one who wants to do it in a, in electoral way, one who wants to do it in a absolute
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tear down and kill the rich sort of way. But either way, Charlie, for anyone who wants to run in 2028,
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they absolutely have to understand that these pressures are real. They're not going any,
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they're not going away. And when you look at the working class in the swing States that we need,
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particularly the Rust belt. So Western Pennsylvania, then up into Michigan and Wisconsin
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States that even though Romney and Paul Ryan were from these States, they could never win them
00:23:41.740
because they had no idea how to actually talk to the working class of those States. And if you don't
00:23:47.240
do that, you are going to lose. And if you start putting things and distractions and side quests
00:23:52.040
ahead of the main quest, uh, getting rid of the illegals and helping the economy here at home,
00:23:58.120
then guess what? They are going to go in for whatever snake oil, the sociopaths of the communist
00:24:05.360
Marxists are going to offer. Okay. I want to play this piece of tape here. I think people are probably
00:24:10.120
giving this too much credit, but it is a showing of mom, Donnie wanting to prioritize New York. Now
00:24:16.980
people, they viewed this as an anti-Israel sentiment, which of course, mom, Donnie hates, you know,
00:24:21.720
Israel and probably hates Jews and globalizing the infatata, all that stuff. That's intifada.
00:24:26.920
But I think it is important because I'm going to use this clip as a way to explain
00:24:31.080
Gen Z politics in a way that is flummoxing a lot of our older audience. And then I'll throw it to
00:24:38.340
Blake play cut three 96. So mom, Donnie, can I just jump in? Would you visit Israel as mayor?
00:24:46.180
I've said, uh, in a UJA questionnaire that I believe that you need not travel to Israel to
00:24:51.760
stand up for Jewish New Yorkers. And that is what I will be doing as the mayor. I'll be standing up
00:24:56.020
for Jewish New Yorkers and I'll be meeting them wherever they are across the five boroughs, whether
00:24:59.380
that's in their synagogues and temples or at their homes or at the subway platform, because ultimately
00:25:04.580
we need to focus on delivering on their concerns. And just yes or no, do you believe in a Jewish
00:25:09.520
state of Israel? I believe Israel has the right to exist. Not as a Jewish state. As a state with
00:25:14.680
equal rights. He won't say it has a right to exist as a Jewish state. Be very clear. And his answer
00:25:20.160
was no, he won't visit Israel. I said that. That's what he was trying to say. No, no, no. Unlike you,
00:25:24.500
I answered. Unlike you, I answered very directly. I want to be very clear. I believe every state should
00:25:29.140
be a state of equal rights. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So this is important in the chat. Genius
00:25:34.480
answer. Brilliant. So it's a stupid question to ask. You're the mayor of New York City. You're not
00:25:39.120
going to be dealing with foreign affairs, but there are a lot of Jews and Muslims in your city.
00:25:43.240
Let me tell you why this resonated with a lot of Gen Zers. And then Blake, I want you to explain the
00:25:47.660
clip more than comment on it, which is there is this trend with younger voters saying our country's
00:25:54.920
falling apart. We can't afford basic necessities. Houses are out of reach. Stop with the foreign
00:26:00.080
pandering. Whatever country it might be. And look, I'm pro-Israel, obviously. I'm explaining.
00:26:05.860
Therefore, why don't we have someone that is obsessed with us, obsessed with what's local,
00:26:11.720
what's immediate, not what is abstract and foreign? Blake. Exactly. And I think you see some awareness
00:26:18.040
of this. A few months ago, we had that viral clip with Ilhan Omar, where she was saying in Somali,
00:26:24.600
like, I am, you know, the lawmaker for Somalis. I will look out for Somali interests. And then like
00:26:31.800
that clip, it was so insane. It was like he, he could have scripted that. It was so perfect for him
00:26:38.240
where he has this circular squad of people like needling him and bullying him. Like, why won't
00:26:44.880
you like take this opinion on a foreign country? Whether you agree with that take on the foreign
00:26:50.180
country or not? Why is a guy running for mayor being browbeaten about whether he will endorse
00:26:57.440
the particular status of a foreign state thousands of miles away? And it was so easy for so many
00:27:05.360
millions, well, I don't want to say millions, thousands of New Yorkers to look at that and be
00:27:09.720
like, holy cow, everyone else running in this race is obsessed with these like, of like identity
00:27:17.080
issues revolving around a foreign state, a foreign conflict. And it was so easy for him to come out
00:27:22.680
and say, actually, I will put New York first and novel idea. I will not go on foreign trips. I will
00:27:29.140
be focused on actual things relevant to New Yorkers. It was just incredibly easy political layup for this
00:27:35.720
guy. So, Andrew, can you help explain this to our audience, which is that some older folks say
00:27:43.540
they would have thought Mamdani gave a terrible answer? Oh, my goodness. He'd said he would not
00:27:48.380
visit a foreign country or visit Israel. When in reality, younger people loved it, not necessarily
00:27:53.660
because they hate Israel, but there's some vibe or aura to that which is like, no, I care about New
00:27:59.420
York City. Can you help explain that for those that might not quite capture what is animating the
00:28:05.900
under 30 crowd? Yeah, I mean, the generational divide, Charlie, is so extreme. And it's very,
00:28:11.800
very hard to explain this to like boomers or older folks. No disrespect. It's just the generational
00:28:18.260
sea change, I think, is more dramatic than any of my over 50 friends understand or realize.
00:28:26.780
If you are under a certain age, especially under 30, but even if you're under 40, 45,
00:28:32.000
you're sick of feeling like America has to be drawn into foreign conflicts because of Israel,
00:28:38.280
that our alignment with Israel from a foreign policy standpoint, there's a belief that it's
00:28:45.280
caused more harm than good. And a lot of people are sympathetic to Israel, even in that sub 40
00:28:50.760
category. They just don't want to feel so attached to the hip. And they don't like when politicians
00:28:56.980
signal that they're marching in lockstep with whatever Bibi Netanyahu says. And that is it. Honestly,
00:29:04.100
this is a movement, Charlie, that was that in some ways Trump helped start and ignite and change the
00:29:11.340
way that we look at our foreign politics versus our domestic politics. And people, I think there is a
00:29:17.180
broad realization on the left and the right that we have real problems here in the in the United States,
00:29:23.780
and we got to deal with those. And we have to stop getting distracted by foreign wars, foreign
00:29:30.260
involvements, engagements and distractions. And that doesn't mean those things aren't important.
00:29:34.880
I think Trump has showed us a way that there is a third way. Right. You don't have to get trapped
00:29:39.860
ideologically or on the debate stage into these false binaries. And that you can say, listen, I just
00:29:44.660
love America more. And I want to focus on this. And to the extent that we can solve foreign entanglements
00:29:50.040
quickly, easily or violently, those have to be quick. That's the that's the key. And I just want to
00:29:57.500
reiterate, Charlie, like if there is a divide that I have seen, that is more stark than anything is is
00:30:04.560
the generational divide on Israel. Jack, do you want to comment on that?
00:30:11.140
I mean, it's just true. It's it's something where, you know, it. It's generational, that's for sure.
00:30:19.820
It's it also comes down, I think, to a variety of factors, people getting their media from different
00:30:26.700
places. So if you're someone who watches, you know, on that specific on specifically the Israel
00:30:31.660
question, if you're someone who watches TV, you know, you're you're looking at images of, you know,
00:30:36.840
politicians and you're hearing people give speeches, you're going on TikTok, you're seeing up until
00:30:42.020
the ceasefire. Of course, you're just seeing images of this parade of horribles out of Gaza.
00:30:47.100
And it's just over and over and over. You see it on X as well. And it's something that kind of
00:30:52.920
galvanizes you. And then you hear, wait a minute, you know, my tax dollars are involved in this. I'm
00:30:57.220
not I'm not making an argument here. I'm just sort of explaining the way that Gen Z when I when I
00:31:01.880
talk to Gen Z ears, how they seem to respond to it. They say, wait a minute, why are my tax dollars
00:31:06.420
going to fund some some war in a place that I've never visited against a group of people that doesn't
00:31:12.340
affect me in any way whatsoever? Versus and I can't afford basic food and I can't afford rent
00:31:18.560
and I can't afford to be able to own a home or if I can't, you know, get married and have kids and do
00:31:25.220
all of these things. And that's something that cuts across party lines. That's something that
00:31:30.640
affects people very deeply because these are pocketbook issues. These are wallet issues.
00:31:34.520
And so people want to know why it is that the United States of America or politicians,
00:31:41.200
right, they sort of just look at it as politicians. Oh, well, they don't care because they just want
00:31:45.540
to do everything to serve the baby boomers and the baby boomers want to watch whatever is a better TV
00:31:50.140
show on cable news. Meanwhile, it it feels to me and again, like I'm not a Zoomer, but I've when I
00:31:59.900
when I talk to Zoomers about this, they say, I just don't feel like I'm hurt. I feel like I'm told
00:32:04.180
to shut up. I feel like I'm told that, oh, I either need to pull myself up or my bootstraps or
00:32:09.260
I get labeled anti-Semitic or I get labeled, you know, some some bigoted, zealot, you know,
00:32:15.060
zealot, anti whatever, you know, kind of name. And it's like, no, it's just I see some I see my
00:32:22.200
government working on behalf of people all around that such as Israel, but it's all around the world,
00:32:26.580
all the USAID and stuff that was going on. And a lot of these same forces, you know, a lot of these
00:32:32.080
same pressures are the same things that President Trump and his direct popularity came from was by
00:32:39.400
saying that we will be able to present a an opinion and present a solution to all of these problems by
00:32:48.000
saying we're going to put America first, which means putting Americans first. And this was even
00:32:52.320
in the wake of the, you know, tens of millions in in pallets of cash to Iran or, you know, giving
00:32:58.300
billions to Afghanistan for a government that was just going to collapse and hand it over to the
00:33:02.600
Taliban again and again and again, the trillions of dollars spent in the Middle East. That's what
00:33:08.220
led to the rise of President Trump in the first place. And my my own worry, though, is that if these
00:33:15.960
same issues aren't dealt with, then you're going to get people like a Mamdani or a Luigi Maggioni or
00:33:23.880
others that are going to come up and use them to go in a very different direction.
00:33:29.080
Let's move to the 4 a.m. topic. Yes. All right. So this is very fun. Let's get right into it because
00:33:33.460
we have the hard stop. So the 4 a.m. club, this got attention last I think last week from the free
00:33:39.100
press. It's been going a while. Basically, let's just we just have to play it. Play 376.
00:33:47.060
Left wing version of QAnon is here and they believe that Kamala Harris really won the election.
00:33:51.340
This group is called the 4 a.m. club. Basically, on November 6, thousands of people were woken up
00:33:56.100
around 4 a.m. And those people were called to anchor in the higher timeline where Kamala was
00:34:01.680
the winner. The call was sent out and we received it. It was founded by this woman who goes by Gia
00:34:07.600
Prism on TikTok. I am a psychic medium. I'm a healer. She sort of gives downloads, as she calls them,
00:34:14.540
from spirit. This contest wasn't right. We will yet get a different result in the end. I was
00:34:21.260
shown him falling from something to do with blood on the brain. Okay, I'm seeing lower
00:34:25.580
level leaders will be removed before the top ones. It bears a striking resemblance to QAnon,
00:34:32.120
except everything has been feminized. Instead of searching through Reddit boards and 8chan to find
00:34:36.760
what they're looking for, they go deep within themselves, trusting their feminine intuition,
00:34:41.140
their gut, the divine goddess. The 4 a.m. clubbers, I don't think, are going to be scaling the Capitol
00:34:46.620
anytime soon, but I do think they represent the next chapter in the story of political
00:34:51.060
conspiracies. It shows that the American population feels both completely out of control and lied to.
00:34:58.240
Well, first of all, that was great reporting. That was Barry Weiss's sister. It was really well
00:35:03.820
done. Amazing. Yeah, it's Barry Weiss's sister. What's her name? Susie Weiss. So credit to her.
00:35:08.480
That was a really well put together summary and honestly kind of based being like the feminine
00:35:13.240
intuition. It was really good. So credit to her. I hope to have her on the show. Blake,
00:35:18.240
I'll start with you because you were just losing it in the midst of this. It really is. So I've
00:35:23.460
obviously, you know, I've always been a fan of some reading some of that strange stuff. You love
00:35:27.260
real raw news that like weird, you know, military tribunal stuff, which is still going by the way.
00:35:31.920
They're, they're loving the alligator Alcatraz thing. All of the, all of the deep staters are
00:35:36.180
going to alligator Alcatraz. They'll be executed there. Sure. Sure enough on real raw news, all that
00:35:41.340
strange stuff. But yeah, like this, how it's the perfect mirror image where it incorporates all the
00:35:46.460
like left wing ways. So like it's a vibe. If anything, it's almost, it's a lot like that Mandela effect
00:35:52.140
thing. Have you heard about this? Oh, Mandela's inch. That's really interesting. So you don't
00:35:57.540
like it. Well, I think it's sort of silly because some people really believe in it when, well,
00:36:01.860
hold on, but there is something, do you not misremember things from your childhood? People
00:36:05.340
do. Why is it that other people also misremember what you misremember? Because it's an easy thing
00:36:10.200
to misremember. Like the fruit of the loom one is I'm totally, I think there's the loom one is the
00:36:17.500
one I'm militant on this. The fruit of the loom one is just because there's like a different
00:36:21.460
company that had a cornucopia in it. And people think of that. No, there's a hundred percent
00:36:25.240
of cornucopia, by the way, it was the Berenstain bears, not Berenstain bears. That's another
00:36:29.600
example where they all think it's Berenstain bears because Steen with the EIN is way more
00:36:34.020
common. There's a ton of Steens out there. I'm not even saying there's Mandela effect.
00:36:37.280
I'm saying it's worth talking. There's something going on. There's something to this. I don't
00:36:42.240
know what it is. So this is this 4AM club fits in so perfectly with that. Where they're
00:36:47.300
like there, they basically have this, like this feeling and it can't just be, Oh, I
00:36:53.840
had a feeling. Mandela effect's not a feeling. We have evidence that we all agree. Like
00:36:57.040
that's different. We don't have evidence. No, but no, meaning we all, we all have a memory
00:37:01.540
of something that's different than like, I woke up and I think Kamala is president, but
00:37:07.340
keep going. It's totally different. You know, I feel like actually what we should do, we should
00:37:10.360
play the followup clip where they really get into this. Cause I just love it. It's, they
00:37:14.120
think we're merging with like a new timeline. Like we're in the wrong timeline and we've
00:37:19.800
got to return to the correct one. Like, can we throw up the 400 fruit of the loom, the
00:37:25.580
cornucopia? Cause this one just blew my mind. So they say that it's always been the left
00:37:30.860
one, but everybody seems to remember the cornucopia copia. I, I completely remember the cornucopia.
00:37:38.400
Yeah. I think it's a marketing ploy to make them relevant again. That's what I think it
00:37:43.580
is. Admittedly. I also remember the cornucopia, but I didn't, I remember the cornucopia. I
00:37:49.780
could tell you there was a cornucopia that I'm telling you right now, the cornucopia is
00:37:53.300
legit. We're being lied to. Apparently the old logo had brown leaves in it and that's what
00:37:58.100
people kind of thought it was a cornucopia. That one, no, no, it's not like I thought it
00:38:04.100
was a cornucopia. It was that cornucopia. Like that's it right there. Pretty sure you
00:38:10.220
can like find old clothes with, with, with the cornucopia on it. A hundred percent. Yeah.
00:38:15.740
See, look at, look at, my mom has actually been going through, um, like some of our old
00:38:20.740
home videos. I wonder if like from when I was a kid, I wonder if, uh, and like, you
00:38:24.940
know, dig digitizing them and stuff. So I want to see if maybe we can like, maybe we can
00:38:28.600
test this and see if there's, you know, like a logo or something. Cause I remember
00:38:32.280
having one when I was in like grade, you know, maybe kindergarten, preschool or something.
00:38:37.500
But I feel like it's, I feel like that's where I remember the word cornucopia, right? You
00:38:42.000
learn, I guess around Thanksgiving. It's how we all learned it. Yeah. Like what is that?
00:38:44.860
Hey, what is that? Oh, that's a cornucopia. What's a cornucopia. And then you just say
00:38:49.640
it. I feel we should play the, the other clip of this just cause it really does get into
00:38:55.340
how like loopy they are. So this is Gia Prism. She's like the face of the 4am club, uh, really
00:39:00.920
getting into, it has to be seen to believably. Let's play 386.
00:39:05.700
We were woken up in the night, eerily around 4am. I've read every single one of those comments
00:39:14.080
and here, I'm going to tell you what it all means. The short of it is we were called to
00:39:19.500
anchor in the same timeline. So many people are saying, I'm on the wrong timeline. No,
00:39:23.920
no, no, no, no. Here's the truth. The higher timeline where the divine feminine anchors
00:39:29.700
in does include a supposed election of the male candidate. I'm not going to say his name
00:39:36.480
because his corruption needs to be revealed and it needs to be so massive, so undeniable
00:39:41.880
and so chaotic that people who have been fooled by him can finally wake up and come out of the
00:39:46.400
spell. So here's the overview of what people were experiencing. Some of us were woken up with
00:39:51.420
a feeling of dread. Some of us were physically vomiting, purging. Others were just in fear
00:39:56.860
and panic. And then on the other side of things, you had people who were woken up from dreams
00:40:00.880
where they saw her winning, where they heard her winning, where they saw certain states flip
00:40:05.580
and go blue, where they saw a map of the United States. So many of us were tuned into the timeline
00:40:11.120
that Kamala Harris is the winner. And there's another subset of people who were actually feeling
00:40:20.720
Energies. There's actually so, it is so much like a combination of, uh, of like QAnon and
00:40:28.440
the Mandela effect. Cause the Mandela effect, part of the theory is that it was like that
00:40:32.340
in the past and we had the timeline shift. A lot of them fixate on 9-11, like after 9-11,
00:40:37.460
the timeline shifted cause it was such a dramatic event.
00:40:40.260
Yes. That's a common part of it. Uh, and then of course the, the QAnon version is, you
00:40:45.480
know, the trust the plan thing, like all that's the secret military tribunals are happening,
00:40:49.480
but like, we're not ready. It had to like, people had to be ready to accept what was going
00:40:53.820
on. They wouldn't believe it if they just did it. So you have to, you know, wait. And
00:40:58.900
it's like that where we had to let this happen cause people wouldn't accept how corrupt Trump
00:41:03.540
was unless, unless he was allowed to win. And we got a temporary delving into that corrupt
00:41:09.420
timeline reality. But I love how they, they say the higher timeline is the feminine divine
00:41:16.680
timeline. And I know Jack really agrees with this. So no, I, I totally believe the 4am club.
00:41:25.720
I believe the 4am club. I a hundred percent agree with everything they're saying. Uh, I'm
00:41:30.480
someone, so I'm a Christian. So I believe in the supernatural. I believe in obviously different
00:41:35.400
timelines and different dimensions in that sense, you know, a higher, higher plane, lower
00:41:39.860
plane that they're talking about, uh, because as a Christian, we're called to believe these
00:41:43.300
things because that's what the Bible is about. And so when, when, when they talk about it,
00:41:48.720
though, it's just, they've got their order mixed up because that's a lower timeline that
00:41:52.540
they're talking about where Kamala Harris is able to become president and unleashes these
00:41:58.260
demonic energies of communism across the world. As it turns out, the true timeline is the timeline
00:42:05.220
that reverted into place. And so we were on a trajectory where perhaps we were in this false
00:42:11.060
timeline created, uh, you know, you, you, you could say at some point in, in 2020 or whatever,
00:42:17.480
but now we're back into base reality. So they were heading out, trying to put us in this false
00:42:22.120
reality where again, and so many people could look around and see evidence of the false reality all
00:42:26.100
around you. Uh, lies were treated as truth up was treated as down. Men were called women. Women
00:42:32.600
were called men. This is all, uh, emblematic of a false reality that they were trying to impose
00:42:38.300
upon true reality. So we've reverted back. That's what they're upset about. And what they felt,
00:42:43.400
uh, regarding these, um, you know, regarding these timeline shifts was actually the shift
00:42:49.360
back to the true reality, which is base reality. And as we all know, base reality is based.
00:42:56.100
What if we were in the false timeline, but Shinzo Abe was fighting in the spiritual realm? Cause we
00:43:04.600
know him and Trump were friends. And so we were headed towards the bad timeline, but then Shinzo
00:43:09.800
Abe saved Trump's life in Butler, Pennsylvania, 13th. You've seen this right, Charlie? Like the idea
00:43:15.840
that he's like, well, that's why he turned his head. It's I heard the whisper of an old friend.
00:43:19.540
Maybe that, maybe that's what saved us from a dark timeline. That is canon. What I love about
00:43:25.000
it, it's a funny meme in and of itself, but what's genuinely heartwarming is Japanese people
00:43:30.460
are aware of this and like find it extremely, extremely heartwarming that Americans came up
00:43:35.520
with this idea. And like they, they make all these like affectionate, like Shinzo Abe, Donald Trump,
00:43:43.140
Yeah. Abe is his guardian angel. Yeah. He is the guardian. I'll watch the skies. I'll
00:43:49.260
watch the streets. I miss the Abe Trump. Like, look, look right there. See there's Shinzo
00:43:58.540
Donald Rudol-san, Donald Rudol-san, get up. There's, there's whole things about this. No,
00:44:03.600
Donald, you must turn. This is not your time. And then it's like Shinzo Abe, the one longer
00:44:08.420
one. It's like, he's got a katana blade and he like hits the bullet out of midair.
00:44:16.420
And, uh, and, and, and it's, you know, Donald, why did you, why did you, why did you suddenly
00:44:21.440
turn your head? And he said, you know, for a moment, I thought I heard the voice, the sound
00:44:30.100
This, this is, this is the difference. Our spiritual energy stuff is so much better than,
00:44:34.760
but it's also like there's a joke comical side to it.
00:44:37.760
Uh, and the left is just like, I woke up and like, I was, I was vomiting because nothing,
00:44:42.020
you know, lib women apparently need a reason to, you know, puke into the toilet all the
00:44:45.480
time. And like that, it had to be because of the timelines wrong. We're just like, no,
00:44:50.440
obviously Shinzo Abe came in to save his best friend. That's like a way cooler thing than
00:44:54.020
like the divine feminine energies. Like, sorry, sorry, sorry, liberal ladies. This, the right
00:45:00.080
is better at coming up with funny spiritual woo-woo.
00:45:03.140
Final, final thoughts here, Andrew, 4am club. And, uh, you can throw Mandela effect in there
00:45:11.700
Well, I actually have a final thought. I mean, I wanted to play this video cause I thought
00:45:16.400
it was great. I don't know if we have time, but you know, there really is two paths before
00:45:19.840
the American pop population. Mom, Mom Donnie, Luigi, this, you know, this terrifying kind of
00:45:27.160
vigilantism, coercion, far, far left wing, uh, revolution, or you get kind of this national
00:45:35.460
populism, conservative populism of Trump, the MAGA movement. You have two routes in
00:45:40.540
front of you. One wants to burn it all down and destroy everything and destroy wealth and
00:45:45.080
seize it all. And the other is going to take some tough medicine, but we're going to get
00:45:48.600
to the other side and it's going to actually reset. If we want to talk about timelines, it's
00:45:53.160
going to reset the American timeline and put it back on, on solid footing. I really believe
00:45:57.260
that. And so hopefully our people have enough virtue and common sense and wisdom and understanding
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of history to choose the right path. And, um, I think New York's going to be a really interesting
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test case, but a scary one. Hopefully we, we, we, uh, we make it out the other side.
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No, I completely agree. And, and unfortunately, even with all of the good that we've done,
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all of the good that, uh, the little bit that, you know, that we've done, but the massive amount
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that president Trump and his movement have done, uh, getting on visionary leaders like JD Vance and so
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many others, these are huge problems. They are problems that still remain. And in pockets of the
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country like New York, uh, they are in, in, incontrovertible that it is going on and they're,
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these pressures are leading to these outcomes. So president Trump faces before him a very serious
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threat. And of course it's New York city, right? Think about this. So I mentioned Luigi Maggioni and
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I mentioned Zora Mamdani, but one thing that we haven't pointed out here is that New York city
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is the same exact city that produced Donald Trump himself. Uh, and, and so the fact that,
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you know, it really is New York, our greatest city that's leading to all of these changes that
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affects the entire nation, then perhaps we should actually fight for it. And we should actually fight
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for the great things that we've created as an American civilization. And I think if there's anything
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that you want to say on, uh, going into the 4th of July, it's that have a great independence day,
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everybody. We have to dash Blake, final thoughts, 10 seconds. No, no, I'm just, I'm just amazed at
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what these people will come up with. Next time you wake up at 4am, remember you might get a vision
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that Kamala is president, reject it and live in reality. You have to reject it or we might get
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consumed by that reality. We might get sucked into the vortex. You have to win the spiritual war.
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It's Berenstain bears forever. Don't believe the lies and the cornucopia is real. We are being lied to.
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Mandela effect. Next thought crime. See you soon.