Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - August 12, 2023


THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 9 — Civil War Now？ Prager on Porn？ Sign the Pledge？

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On this week's episode of Thought Crime, the gang discusses Trump's refusal to sign the Republican National Committee's "pledge" to support the party's eventual nominee, and whether or not that's a good or bad thing. They also discuss the Michigan fraud case, the murder of Craig Robertson, and Dennis Prager's controversial comments on pornography.

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00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard for another edition of Thought Crime.
00:00:05.560 Today's episode, myself, Charlie Kirk, and the gang talk about Trump and the RNC Pledge,
00:00:12.000 the Michigan fraud case, everything that happened in Utah, the killing of Craig Robertson and the FBI's actions.
00:00:20.420 We get into Rapinoe, the women's national team, Miracle on Grass.
00:00:26.700 We have an extensive debate about Dennis Prager's controversial comments on pornography and finally the deep web reveal.
00:00:34.840 What exactly are Coomers?
00:00:37.600 Get ready. We're going to commit thought crime.
00:00:40.280 From the age of Big Brother.
00:00:42.740 If they want to get you, they'll get you.
00:00:45.080 DNSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.
00:00:49.020 They're collecting your communications.
00:00:56.700 Okay, everybody, welcome.
00:01:00.660 It is Thought Crime Thursday.
00:01:03.000 That's the first time we said that.
00:01:04.580 It kind of works.
00:01:05.640 We have Blake Neff, who I think liberals and conservatives equally hate.
00:01:10.080 Tyler Boyer.
00:01:11.120 Hey, how you doing?
00:01:11.820 We went from getting more popular every week to hated by everyone now.
00:01:15.240 Blake, your stock is going down.
00:01:18.000 Like the Hindenburg.
00:01:19.880 And Jack Posobiec, still learning who he is.
00:01:22.720 Jack, we'll lead you with you.
00:01:23.500 How are things going?
00:01:23.980 I love what Blake's long-term strategy is here.
00:01:28.200 He wants each quadrant of the political compass to hate him equally.
00:01:32.800 And somewhere in the middle, he'll find a woman.
00:01:36.380 It's like the Geraldo Rivera strategy.
00:01:39.140 Exactly.
00:01:40.060 It's the Undertaker strategy.
00:01:42.360 Loved by few.
00:01:43.260 And hey, Geraldo doesn't look like five, six.
00:01:45.500 He's doing great.
00:01:46.760 But it's very necessary.
00:01:48.540 Okay, let's start with our first story today on the lineup.
00:01:51.820 I don't think we have much of a...
00:01:52.820 Oh, yeah, okay.
00:01:53.060 The RNC is once again trying to get Trump to sign a pledge to support the party's eventual nominee.
00:01:58.320 Even if it's not him, Trump doesn't seem interested.
00:02:00.500 Is he making the right move?
00:02:01.620 I'll take my take first.
00:02:03.060 And then, Jack, you can...
00:02:04.640 I'll hand off the baton.
00:02:05.820 These pledges by the RNC are so irrelevant.
00:02:08.900 They're non-binding.
00:02:10.060 They're so fake.
00:02:11.520 And Trump not wanting to sign it.
00:02:13.260 I just think he reasserts control that it is his party.
00:02:16.720 And also shows that the RNC doesn't mean anything.
00:02:18.840 Jack Posobiec, your thoughts.
00:02:19.740 So, I think a lot of these pledges are kind of silly at this point because we all know the situation that we're in in the party.
00:02:30.520 You've got these two wings fighting it out.
00:02:33.640 And in many ways, MAGA itself represents a real third party in America.
00:02:39.620 It just happens to be within the Republican Party, within the framework of the Republican Party, fighting for dominance within that party.
00:02:48.420 And so, this idea that, oh, we're all going to be kumbaya.
00:02:50.940 Really?
00:02:51.620 Does that mean that Mitt Romney is going to come out and support Trump when he wins the nomination?
00:02:55.620 Does that mean that all the Republicans that are going to do, you know, run against him and they're not going to undercut Trump all the way? 0.95
00:03:03.400 It's ridiculous. 0.90
00:03:03.960 They're already undercutting him.
00:03:06.360 The New York Times has got the Federalist Society putting out articles today saying, oh, Donald Trump, the conservative case for disqualifying Trump from the ballot in November. 0.71
00:03:17.100 And so, I think it's ridiculous. 0.95
00:03:18.040 I think the entire pledge is ridiculous. 0.95
00:03:19.820 I don't think he should sign it. 0.80
00:03:21.240 And the fact that Trump was the first person ever in Republican politics to say and just raise his hand and say, I will not support the eventual nominee, that's the reason he won.
00:03:32.080 Tyler, you are on the RNC.
00:03:33.920 What's going on here?
00:03:35.140 Yeah, I mean, look, so I agree with half of what Jack said and I disagree with the other half.
00:03:40.500 I'll tell you the other half that I disagree.
00:03:41.820 So, I agree with the latter half.
00:03:43.780 We have to guess which half.
00:03:44.460 Next question.
00:03:45.000 Yeah, exactly.
00:03:45.500 I agree with the latter half, which is that Donald Trump should not, in no way, shape or form sign.
00:03:50.800 I'm a member of the RNC.
00:03:52.480 They're probably going to try to kick me off the RNC for saying this probably, but I don't think that Donald Trump should sign the pledge. 1.00
00:03:58.860 I think the pledge is stupid. 1.00
00:04:01.100 These things are idiotic. 1.00
00:04:02.620 Exactly what Trump came out and said is exactly right. 1.00
00:04:05.160 I wouldn't support half these people on the stage.
00:04:07.420 Who would support some of these guys like Chris Christie?
00:04:11.100 I would not support Chris Christie.
00:04:12.600 Personally, I would never support Mike Pence.
00:04:14.340 I would never support a pledge to support Mike Pence.
00:04:16.900 So, like, no.
00:04:18.400 Why would you sign that?
00:04:19.360 That shouldn't be a qualifier to get on the stage.
00:04:21.480 Now, the only part I'll disagree with, and it's just kind of a minor disagreement, is that I actually don't think there are three parties in the country.
00:04:30.140 There isn't a uniparty third party.
00:04:32.780 There isn't a MAGA third party.
00:04:35.120 There's us versus the left.
00:04:37.440 And the left is the uniparty.
00:04:39.520 And I hate when people are like, oh, the uniparty is like this third party coming up the middle.
00:04:43.460 I'm like, everyone has to be moderate.
00:04:45.040 This is what they want to do with ranked choice voting is they're trying to produce this moderate middle that's nonexistent.
00:04:51.740 It's the left, the globalist left that hates you, hates America, hates everything that America stands for.
00:04:59.360 And it's Americans.
00:05:00.940 And there's a lot of Democrats that are figuring this out, and they're switching over.
00:05:05.700 And so the party has to become the party of freedom and not relent to what is the uniparty, which is the left, which is what people say all the time.
00:05:15.500 There's no difference between Republicans and Democrats when the uniparty is in control.
00:05:20.100 The uniparty is not in control right now.
00:05:22.000 Well, I just – I love that you just brought up ranked choice – real quick, that you brought up ranked choice voting because I just saw recently there's a legal filing because they considered ranked choice voting in D.C.
00:05:32.020 And obviously they're trying to get ranked choice voting in every single red state, every Republican jurisdiction.
00:05:37.360 And then it comes up in D.C. and there's a legal filing that's like we can't have ranked choice voting, guys, because it's too confusing to Democratic voters.
00:05:45.640 It will keep them from electing Democrats.
00:05:46.680 No, it said somewhere this will confuse African-American voters.
00:05:50.600 Yeah, exactly.
00:05:51.340 It was like minority voters. 0.83
00:05:52.660 It said minority voters.
00:05:54.120 So literally they're admitting straight up in San Francisco where it's not working, in Vermont where they kicked it out, in D.C., the most Democrat areas in America, they're admitting this is not good for minority voters because it limits people's access to the ballot.
00:06:11.780 And it's just – and they've done this before.
00:06:13.620 They did it – Eric Holder once sued a town in I think North Carolina that tried to do nonpartisan elections because they said like this would keep – this will confuse black people because then they won't know who the Democrat is and it is the constitutional right of black people to vote for the black people party, which is the Democratic Party.
00:06:31.420 That was the argument from Holder.
00:06:33.040 But bring this back in.
00:06:34.840 So bring this back in with ranked choice voting.
00:06:36.240 The whole point of ranked choice voting, they want to create this third-party middle ground – it's not a third-party, guys.
00:06:44.460 It is us versus them. 0.99
00:06:45.940 They want to create a controllable falsetto center.
00:06:49.720 It's a radical left that still like dresses normally basically and – but on the pledge thing, just to get it really back to what the alleged topic is, the thing that's really dumb about it is we literally did this seven years ago, guys, when they were all like, 0.98
00:07:04.540 can we just dwell on – I just love how the RNC is being made a mockery of all their stupid debate rules. 1.00
00:07:14.120 Oh, we're going to have 40,000 donors. 0.97
00:07:15.880 Meanwhile, Doug Burgum, I'm going to give people $20 gift cards if they give me $1.
00:07:20.420 I bought headphones with that and it was amazing.
00:07:22.240 No, I'm a big supporter.
00:07:23.060 A lot of our audience got $19 richer, okay, off of this whole gift card thing.
00:07:28.620 Amazon got $19 richer after I used the money that he gave me.
00:07:32.740 However, I just – this is typical RNC where they were like, well, how do we make sure we do not have a debate circus?
00:07:39.980 I know.
00:07:40.440 We'll make sure you have 40,000 donors and we'll make sure that you sign a loyalty pledge.
00:07:46.400 And by the way, you're trying to tell me if Donald Trump doesn't sign the loyalty pledge, Ronna McDaniel is going to be like, I'm sorry, sir.
00:07:53.140 You're not allowed to come up on stage.
00:07:54.640 Like she's going to stand up to Trump after they're like groveling because he hasn't signed a piece of paper.
00:07:59.580 It shows how illegitimate the RNC has become.
00:08:02.600 Tyler, RNC member, your thoughts?
00:08:04.100 They sent Fox to Mar-a-Lago to beg –
00:08:07.940 To grovel.
00:08:07.960 Bedminster, but yeah.
00:08:08.620 Or Bedminster, I'm sorry.
00:08:10.180 They sent Fox to Bedminster.
00:08:12.600 That's even worse, honestly.
00:08:14.140 Like they went to Bedminster, right, to grovel and say, Trump, please, we'll do anything.
00:08:21.360 Like are you kidding me?
00:08:23.080 Hey, I have some –
00:08:23.860 The RNC –
00:08:24.620 Well, the RNC needs – and this is the funny part.
00:08:27.480 Like if you want to put broader context here to this, the RNC needs the money from Fox right now.
00:08:33.820 Like desperately needs the money from Fox right now.
00:08:37.080 Fox needs the viewers.
00:08:38.180 And Fox needs the viewers.
00:08:39.820 So everyone is like –
00:08:41.260 Trump has lined this thing up where he's the one that's like literally queuing everybody up here.
00:08:46.380 He's so smart.
00:08:47.280 He's playing them like a fiddle.
00:08:48.620 He's so good at this.
00:08:49.660 And this is the reason why he shouldn't sign the pledge and he shouldn't go to this first debate.
00:08:52.740 He shouldn't – I don't think he should go to any debate.
00:08:54.960 It's just so insane to me.
00:08:56.460 Like again, the repetitiveness.
00:08:57.700 Like I remember in 2015, they're all like everyone's got to sign the pledge.
00:09:00.820 And you have these candidates coming out and making the show like I'm loyal.
00:09:03.860 I signed the pledge.
00:09:05.020 Why won't Trump?
00:09:05.820 And then the following spring when it's clear Trump is going to win, they start backing off and they're all like, oh, I don't know.
00:09:11.480 But like I have to also remind you guys, Chris Christie came out a couple of weeks ago.
00:09:15.260 He said, I will sign the pledge, but I don't mean it.
00:09:17.360 You know he said that, right?
00:09:18.220 Yeah, he just said a lie.
00:09:19.880 Chris Christie said, I will sign whatever it takes to get me on stage, but I am not going to actually do what the piece of paper says.
00:09:25.900 It shows the RNC has zero enforcement mechanism.
00:09:29.400 They're just like, okay, yeah, okay, do you have your 40,000 donors?
00:09:33.480 By the way, are they actually auditing whether or not anyone has 40,000 donors?
00:09:37.060 There's no way.
00:09:37.820 Are they?
00:09:38.380 They can't even take me off the RNC fundraising email.
00:09:41.340 I mean, Perry Johnson, God bless him.
00:09:42.520 He was at our event.
00:09:43.180 He says he has 40,000 donors.
00:09:44.840 I mean, Mike Pence, I highly doubt Mike Pence.
00:09:47.120 It's still organized by them, so it's not – I don't think it would even be like illegal for them to – if they just lied about it, right?
00:09:52.780 Well, no, it's not – I mean, who knows?
00:09:55.800 We were having a conversation.
00:09:56.640 If you lie on an FPC file, I'm sure.
00:09:57.500 We were having conversations before our – because like what the heck is legal or illegal?
00:10:02.160 It's like if you breathe in the wrong direction with a MAGA hat on, you're going to federal prison for 10 years.
00:10:06.760 But it's – I can't even pinpoint – the RNC has become so illegitimate.
00:10:11.640 There's such a laughingstock that Chris Christie says, I'll sign your piece of paper, and I don't mean it.
00:10:16.940 Trump has not signed a piece of paper.
00:10:18.920 But the real truth, Jack, the real question, Jack Posobiec, is can we – I want to see Mike Pence's voter file, donor file.
00:10:26.620 I do not believe he has 40,000 donors.
00:10:28.900 Did he give out some gift cards that we were unaware of, Jack?
00:10:31.480 Was there some sort of Mike Pence gift card scheme?
00:10:34.420 There was this article back when Hillary ran in 2008, and Rush Limbaugh used to talk about it all the time.
00:10:43.780 And I think it was the New York Times had found it.
00:10:45.940 This is when all of these Chinatown – like just residents of Chinatown in San Francisco and New York City were maxing out to Hillary Clinton all over the place. 0.99
00:10:56.040 And then the New York Times was like, oh, that's great.
00:10:58.200 They actually went and like looked up some of the people, and they found that it was like busboys and people like washing dishes.
00:11:04.960 And they said, oh, that's fine.
00:11:06.060 They're – you know, they're scrimping together and they're saving all so they can max out to Hillary Clinton.
00:11:10.780 And Rush was like, no, it's very obvious what's going on here.
00:11:13.700 There's members of the Chinese Communist Party that are walking around in New York City and San Francisco handing them the money and telling them to hand it to Hillary Clinton.
00:11:21.940 I think that's what Pence is up to.
00:11:24.380 Pence has got a Chinese money laundering scheme.
00:11:26.440 I'm not saying he's coming from China, but I'm saying he's probably using straw donors or something like that in order to get himself up to the $40,000 limit.
00:11:35.140 That's a bold claim.
00:11:36.380 I just want to see – I want to see the donor file.
00:11:38.300 Like I want to know how he got to $40,000.
00:11:41.000 I just – that really is not – okay, so let's play.
00:11:45.000 I'm told we should play cut 114.
00:11:47.280 George, I'll be on the debate stage, and I will take the pledge that the RNC puts in front of me just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago.
00:11:55.360 So when he signed the pledge, as Reince Priebus went up there and begged him to do it, and then on the first debate stage, he didn't raise his hand to say he would support the nominee.
00:12:03.460 I will do whatever I have to do, George, to be on that stage and to be able to make the case to the American people that there is a need for new leadership.
00:12:12.720 And I'll take the pledge just as seriously as Donald Trump did eight years ago.
00:12:15.920 So you're going to take the pledge, but you don't really mean it?
00:12:19.360 No, what I'm saying, George, is that I'm going to do exactly what the RNC has set us up to do.
00:12:25.160 Not eight years ago, Donald Trump signed the pledge and then absolutely disregarded it in the first debate, and there was absolutely no penalty for that.
00:12:32.720 I'm going to do whatever I need to do to save my party and save my country.
00:12:36.700 I mean, he's not going to do anything that he needs to do because there's one obvious thing that he should have done to become president.
00:12:41.740 There's an obvious thing, yeah, which is fix your BMI.
00:12:46.180 Well, that could be to save his life.
00:12:47.700 Maybe it's part of his plan.
00:12:48.600 Maybe he can't get on the debate stage, but he can sort of make the debate orbit him.
00:12:55.720 Gravitational pole.
00:12:56.560 Gravitational exertion.
00:12:57.540 He can sign some sort of ramp or like a gurney of some sort to help.
00:13:02.700 What bothers me the most about Chris Christie is every time he gets questioned about his weight, he acts like he's some victim.
00:13:07.140 I've struggled with this my entire life.
00:13:09.460 Is it some sort of sickness? 0.98
00:13:10.660 You're just lazy. 0.96
00:13:11.660 You don't have any diet discipline. 0.99
00:13:13.420 Christie, you're rich.
00:13:13.860 Here, pay someone to like weld you into a room for a month, and then we'll come back, and we'll drop like, you know, a multivitamin down a slot, and then we'll come back.
00:13:24.700 Let's play cut 113.
00:13:25.920 I think we just know.
00:13:27.300 All right, go ahead.
00:13:27.880 He's a big talker when we're a few miles away from each other.
00:13:35.520 He's got a lot to say when he's got a phone in his hand, posting something on social media.
00:13:43.240 We're going to know what he's really made of if we see whether he shows up two weeks from tonight or not on that stage, because I'll tell you one thing for sure.
00:13:52.780 I will be there, and I am waiting for him, and then we'll answer him.
00:14:03.220 Because where I grew up and the way I was raised was a man who has something to say to another man, comes up to him and looks him in the eye and says it to him.
00:14:14.100 And a coward does the opposite.
00:14:18.860 So we'll see if the coward shows up two weeks from tonight in Milwaukee, but I will be there. 0.98
00:14:24.100 There is no way that guy has 40,000 donors. 0.97
00:14:31.420 They're just lying.
00:14:32.680 I mean, the RNC is not auditing anything.
00:14:35.080 There's no way.
00:14:35.960 We know how much they're auditing mechanism.
00:14:37.840 When I'm in a rest stop bathroom, and a man walks up to another man.
00:14:44.380 I had the same thought.
00:14:46.220 Cut 103.
00:14:48.820 He's eating right now.
00:14:51.220 He can't be bothered. 0.99
00:14:54.100 Sir, please do not call him a fat pig. 0.99
00:15:00.860 That's very disrespectful. 0.99
00:15:01.920 Don't call him.
00:15:04.560 See, I'm trying to be nice. 1.00
00:15:06.340 Don't call him a fat pig. 0.99
00:15:08.300 Jack, your thoughts. 0.99
00:15:10.740 So, you know, it's interesting to me because I'll say a couple of things.
00:15:15.080 I mean, right off the bat, we know there's at least one candidate on the campaign trail right now that is definitely not on Ozempic.
00:15:22.020 And that is Chris Christie.
00:15:25.500 What if that's his plan?
00:15:27.520 He's going to show that he's powerful by defeating Ozempic. 0.99
00:15:31.260 He takes it.
00:15:32.320 He will defeat the Ozempic. 1.00
00:15:33.920 He defeats it.
00:15:34.600 The thing with Christie, though, is he lost a lot of the bluster, right?
00:15:40.100 There's one thing he's lost.
00:15:40.960 It's not weight.
00:15:41.520 He's lost the bluster.
00:15:42.480 He's lost the fight.
00:15:43.300 I don't hear any fire in the belly in terms of this.
00:15:46.560 And I say that as a guy.
00:15:47.720 I was at Chris Christie's victory party.
00:15:50.800 I was there in 2009 when he first ran.
00:15:53.640 We did volunteering over in New Jersey, came over from Pennsylvania.
00:15:57.360 A lot of history helping out on that campaign.
00:15:59.740 And you look at this guy.
00:16:01.080 And I remember when he was the fighter.
00:16:03.200 But that's not a fighter. 0.72
00:16:04.280 That sounds like a guy who doesn't want to be there.
00:16:06.860 That sounds like a guy that's not interested.
00:16:08.580 And here's the bottom line.
00:16:09.860 He's got no credibility.
00:16:10.980 He's got no credibility whatsoever or leverage within the conservative base.
00:16:16.020 Chris Christie, you're saying, oh, you're the big man of the party or something.
00:16:19.240 Where were you?
00:16:20.280 Where were you for all these years fighting to support MAGA, fighting to support America
00:16:25.640 First, fighting to support the country?
00:16:27.340 And you're going to come out and say that you stand for them or something?
00:16:30.640 What have you done?
00:16:31.740 You've been silent for all these years.
00:16:33.600 And honestly, you sound like a jilted ex-lover.
00:16:38.240 I don't want to think of that.
00:16:40.980 Go back to toe-tapping off the Golden State Parkway.
00:16:46.060 So final thoughts.
00:16:47.160 The RNC is irrelevant and rather illegitimate.
00:16:50.920 And so do you think, so over or under, you think Trump's going to debate, Blake?
00:16:55.360 I think he'll debate at least once.
00:16:56.900 I think he will probably skip the first one.
00:16:58.760 But I think he has that natural read on, like, what makes people talk about him the most.
00:17:03.920 And there's got to be a scenario where he somehow ends up on the debate stage and just totally blows everyone away.
00:17:10.220 He has to remind everyone, like, wherever I go, I am the number one most important person.
00:17:14.920 And if he never shows up, the press will try to come up with this thing where they're like, oh, you know, we're getting Haley-mentum from the debate stage.
00:17:22.780 And they'll try to create a narrative.
00:17:24.480 And the best way to scuttle that is you just blow it up by having him show up once, obviously dominate the debate stage.
00:17:30.660 And then he doesn't need to show up again, probably.
00:17:33.880 Yeah, I think he doesn't need to show up to this first debate.
00:17:36.760 I think he needs to set the tone.
00:17:39.280 Yeah, I kind of agree.
00:17:40.200 I think Jack said this.
00:17:41.960 Charlie's on the no debate train.
00:17:43.780 Waste of time.
00:17:44.960 Jack's on the one no debate and then the rest of the debates.
00:17:49.360 You're on all debates.
00:17:50.160 Like one debate.
00:17:51.120 Show up at one debate.
00:17:51.560 Oh, you're show up at one debate and then never show up again.
00:17:53.720 I think that'll probably be what he will do.
00:17:55.380 And I think that strategically probably makes the most sense.
00:17:57.560 I think he's going to try to – I think what he's end up doing –
00:17:59.560 I think zero, one, and then zero.
00:18:00.860 He'll show up to one because it will help his fundraising.
00:18:03.480 He'll do one.
00:18:04.280 I think he should show up to the one in California because he's – you know why he's going to?
00:18:08.860 He's not going to show up to Milwaukee because YAF is co-sponsoring it and it's a Pence organization.
00:18:14.940 He's going to show up to the Reagan Library.
00:18:17.040 You know why?
00:18:18.400 Because Kevin McCarthy is going to ask him to and he's going to do it.
00:18:22.660 And then he's not going to show up again.
00:18:24.220 But I also think Trump has good memories at the Reagan Library when he destroyed every single one of these people's careers.
00:18:29.580 That was the – yeah, that was the place.
00:18:32.180 The first debate was just kind of about Megyn Kelly and you had John Kasich chopping lettuce.
00:18:37.260 The Reagan Library was like when all of them – so they had a couple weeks of prep and they go back and all their consultants gave them these one-liners.
00:18:53.980 And Scott Walker had – he thought he was like a tough guy and he said, well, we don't need an apprentice in the White House.
00:19:03.220 Like that is so – is that the one – how many – wait, wait, wait.
00:19:08.780 How many of those lines do you think –
00:19:10.540 That's not the one where Trump is like a drive-by on Rand Paul out of nowhere, wasn't it?
00:19:12.180 How many of those lines do you think – how many of those lines do you think that DeSantis team has planned right now?
00:19:17.860 Oh my gosh.
00:19:18.240 They probably got a million of those lines because a lot of this is the same – you know, a lot of the infrastructure from Ted Cruz that's come over.
00:19:25.040 It's those same type of guys.
00:19:27.100 They're going to say, but he gave – he gave Fauci a medal.
00:19:30.240 He gave Fauci a medal.
00:19:31.500 Don't forget the Fauci medal.
00:19:32.840 Don't forget this.
00:19:34.000 He's going to say, oh, warp speed, warp speed.
00:19:36.400 We need a – we need a guy who's ready to drive at American speed, not warp speed. 0.93
00:19:40.580 Like it's going to be some ridiculous one-liner like telling you.
00:19:43.800 Has one of these one-liners ever succeeded in – 0.93
00:19:47.040 Yes, literally.
00:19:48.280 And that's because it's –
00:19:50.020 Yes, in 1996.
00:19:51.740 Well, yeah, I mean –
00:19:52.780 Where's the beef?
00:19:53.780 1996.
00:19:55.080 What about where's the beef?
00:19:56.860 When it was Clinton Dole and Bob Dole was going on and on and on about the attacks on Clinton.
00:20:06.500 And keep in mind, this is even prior to Lewinsky, but he was doing some of like the personal character attacks.
00:20:11.580 And then Clinton just kind of looks at him and goes, no tech has ever put food in the mouth of a hungry child, something like that.
00:20:21.260 And back in the 90s, like that was kind of all you needed to do to show, oh, and the entire media is fawning over him.
00:20:28.320 Oh, and he plays the saxophone.
00:20:29.940 He's got a wonderful wife who definitely doesn't kill people that are her political enemies, liabilities.
00:20:35.200 No, no, no.
00:20:35.800 We love them.
00:20:36.520 They're so wonderful.
00:20:37.300 So the – to close the thought though, I think that at the Reagan – the Reagan Library is an interesting dynamic though.
00:20:44.320 The only thing that Trump won't like about it, it's extremely limited seating.
00:20:49.400 And that's –
00:20:50.740 It's all bad guys.
00:20:51.500 It's all going to be bad guys.
00:20:53.240 It's going to be Vichy French, lobbyists, warmongers, which actually Trump might actually enjoy.
00:20:59.840 That's great.
00:21:00.140 His best debate was the one that was South Carolina, everyone against him.
00:21:03.040 I know, but there is this dynamic where Trump wants to debate in front of like 50,000 people, right?
00:21:08.400 Well, yeah, he brought it up in that debate.
00:21:09.800 He said like, I don't – they didn't let any of my people in.
00:21:12.960 But here was my advice to the Trump campaign publicly and privately.
00:21:16.440 My advice was if you're going to debate, just call your own time, place, and manner.
00:21:20.500 Be like, you know what?
00:21:21.300 I'll debate you at UFC at 11 p.m. on Saturday night before the final – and like just like in my own place.
00:21:27.680 Like they need you.
00:21:30.120 Just forget the RNC.
00:21:31.020 Waste the time, OK?
00:21:31.800 You could literally be like, you know what?
00:21:33.260 Meet me in Lubbock, Texas, and they'll all fly there, right?
00:21:37.500 They'll all just like come because their only path is to try to go after Trump.
00:21:41.720 He could literally say – he could be like, you know what?
00:21:43.240 I'm doing it at Bedminster.
00:21:44.460 And like everyone comes to Bedminster.
00:21:47.440 They would totally come.
00:21:49.820 But they would like – forget all this like parameters and RNC stuff and Fox News.
00:21:53.920 By the way, it would be like the most watched thing ever.
00:21:55.680 Or get them to come to Bedminster and then just like blow them off and go to a McDonald's and buy McDonald's for a bunch of people and then like forget about it.
00:22:03.460 It would be funny or just like not show up.
00:22:06.060 It just shows how – it just shows how feckless and irrelevant the RNC has become.
00:22:10.560 Jack, final thoughts on this topic?
00:22:12.140 No, I was just going to – I mean obviously Trump should debate at least once.
00:22:15.640 I think he should make sure that Tucker should be up there.
00:22:19.920 I think he's got to think about the general electorate, not just the primary electorate.
00:22:23.600 But Charlie, to your point, there's precedent for that because that's exactly what Reagan did.
00:22:27.660 That's where we got that line, I paid for this microphone, that he actually went, established his own debate, set up the entire thing and paid for his New Hampshire.
00:22:35.500 That's right.
00:22:36.700 Yeah, and so actually, Jack, I don't think it was a debate.
00:22:40.440 I think it was a forum.
00:22:41.480 But anyway, you're right.
00:22:42.780 It was a viral moment.
00:22:43.720 It was a forum, yes.
00:22:44.560 Because if you were paying for his microphone, it would be a debate.
00:22:46.540 But you're right.
00:22:47.340 And the other one, look, I mean Donald Trump is the king of one-liners.
00:22:49.720 We remember them all.
00:22:50.380 Like little Marco, Jeb, you keep on moving down the thing.
00:22:52.840 You'd be in jail.
00:22:54.080 Like I mean he's the king of that.
00:22:55.520 And so there is an argument to be made, and Blake would definitely sympathize.
00:22:59.400 Like put the lion in the arena for the right place, right time.
00:23:03.360 Devour them all.
00:23:04.360 He'll call them all names, and he's done.
00:23:06.140 He's just like, I am done.
00:23:07.820 I am finished.
00:23:09.320 It is done.
00:23:10.180 And by the way, if Trump is not there, do not be shocked.
00:23:13.980 If Vivek Ramaswamy just does amazing, destroys these people.
00:23:18.420 Okay.
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00:24:36.340 Thank you, Jack.
00:24:39.180 Good job.
00:24:40.240 And I was just going through old pictures of the Iowa State Fair.
00:24:43.360 Actually, that's an interesting subtopic we could touch on really quickly, Tyler, before we get to Michigan.
00:24:47.120 We have a whole team in Iowa.
00:24:48.420 And I was just – can we get this picture up here?
00:24:49.960 I'll never forget.
00:24:50.660 So I went to the Iowa State Fair in 2015 with Tom Patrick.
00:24:54.660 May he rest in peace.
00:24:55.380 Because Tom was super interested by the Trump phenomenon at the time.
00:24:58.160 Tom was an amazing guy and very wealthy, very generous.
00:25:01.220 And he was like, I need to see this Trump thing up here.
00:25:04.020 Because he couldn't believe it, but he was starting to process it.
00:25:06.300 Then I remember we saw this firsthand.
00:25:07.940 Look at this picture.
00:25:08.800 Donald Trump shows up on a helicopter.
00:25:10.660 He's like, I'm going to give kids rides on a helicopter.
00:25:12.880 Yeah, I remember that.
00:25:14.000 And he does a press conference with a bunch of just random children around him.
00:25:18.220 And I'm like, just –
00:25:19.220 They assume he was Batman.
00:25:20.580 Remember the one kid?
00:25:21.280 There's that viral clip.
00:25:22.120 The kid goes, are you Batman?
00:25:24.000 And he just looks at the kid and he's like, yeah, yeah, I'm Batman.
00:25:25.920 It's one of the greatest things.
00:25:27.260 Look at something on a Seinfeld.
00:25:27.740 This is Trump doing a press conference.
00:25:29.580 This is he destroyed politics, which I think is why people love him.
00:25:32.800 There's no script.
00:25:33.660 There's no teleprompter.
00:25:34.780 It's a single microphone with just random kids throughout the state of Iowa around him.
00:25:41.380 And this is right after we did our event in Arizona.
00:25:43.740 This was not too long.
00:25:44.740 A couple weeks after.
00:25:45.340 That's right.
00:25:45.720 So, Tyler, tell us what's going on at the Iowa State Fair really quick.
00:25:48.280 We have literally the largest presence of any conservative organization at the Iowa State Fair right now.
00:25:54.580 Is the RNC there?
00:25:56.380 Not to my knowledge.
00:25:57.740 We have our full-time field staff.
00:26:00.100 We have incredible staff in Iowa.
00:26:01.900 We have our incredible staff in the Midwest all present and killing it at the Iowa State Fair.
00:26:07.400 We have a massive booth, and you can read it.
00:26:10.320 I don't know if we can get a picture up.
00:26:11.780 I can send it over, but probably not on here.
00:26:13.660 But it says lead your precinct, lead your country.
00:26:16.580 And right now we are recruiting hundreds and upon hundreds of people to become precinct committeemen in the state of Iowa and also get involved with the caucuses.
00:26:24.620 So, we're going to have, I think, thousands of people that we are now going to be motivating to make sure they get out to their caucuses across the state of Iowa so that we get the best possible result for a candidate come caucus time here.
00:26:37.960 Let's 117.
00:26:39.460 Really great poll, Ryan.
00:26:40.640 Good job.
00:26:41.040 Play cut 117.
00:26:41.820 Super fast.
00:26:42.740 Yes.
00:26:43.240 Mr. Trump.
00:26:44.160 Yes.
00:26:44.920 Are you Batman?
00:26:45.960 I am Batman.
00:26:46.640 It's just at that point, the primary was over.
00:26:50.820 We didn't, not all of us realized at the time it's over.
00:26:54.020 All right.
00:26:54.760 Okay.
00:26:55.080 So, let's get to this Michigan thing.
00:26:57.120 We have lots of thoughts.
00:26:58.040 Blake is super interested to become further unpopular.
00:27:02.820 So, Blake, the floor is yours.
00:27:04.060 Okay.
00:27:04.380 Well, so there's a big story that went viral over the last day or so, and it actually goes back to 2020.
00:27:10.800 It's Michigan stuff, obviously, one of the states that was heavily contested in the 2020 election, and it's specifically this police report out of Muskegon County.
00:27:21.680 I don't know if I mispronounced that, but I think it's Muskegon.
00:27:23.840 Muskegon County in Michigan.
00:27:25.480 It's the western part of Michigan near Grand Rapids, and it's this police report where a county official calls the police and says, hey, we're getting all of these ballot applications dropped off.
00:27:37.920 I believe it's that you would send out a ballot application, send it in, and then they would mail you the ballot because they were doing all the mail ballots.
00:27:43.980 And one person is dropping off thousands of these, about 10,000 total they estimated.
00:27:50.060 And Muskegon County has only got 175,000 people.
00:27:53.020 So, if you account for who's kids and everything, it's like one out of every 13 voters in Muskegon County had this ballot application dropped off by one person.
00:28:02.280 And they're like, we're looking at them, and a lot of them seem really, really similar.
00:28:07.700 And so, the cops go in and investigate.
00:28:09.560 They take a set of 40 of them.
00:28:11.360 It's not clear from the police report whether this is all the ones that were suspicious or if they just sort of took some examples to then look into it further.
00:28:19.580 And they start looking at them, and they're like, okay, well, one, a lot of these seem to have made-up addresses that are not real addresses.
00:28:25.420 Some of them have the same signature, and it doesn't match what's already on file because, again, these are ballot applications.
00:28:32.080 So, they often already have signatures on file for their voter registrations and such, and now they're different.
00:28:37.440 And they start exploring this more and more, and they find one of the people whose name is here, and she says, yeah, I filled out this form, but I didn't sign it.
00:28:45.020 I don't know who signed it or how it ever got to you.
00:28:48.040 And they just find all these red flags.
00:28:49.920 And then they go to the actual place of business where this is held.
00:28:53.260 It's GBI Strategies, I think is the name of the firm.
00:28:56.600 And GBI Strategies, they investigate their place, and they just find more strange things.
00:29:02.020 They find more ballot applications, half finished.
00:29:04.360 They find eight firearms in pelican boxes, a mixture of semi-automatic rifles and custom pistols.
00:29:13.380 Nothing wrong with that.
00:29:13.940 With suppressors, like it's a James Bond movie or something.
00:29:16.600 And they were apparently legally owned guns, so I'm glad they're not doing illegal gun trafficking to our knowledge.
00:29:23.780 But they had these guns, and somewhere on a whiteboard, they had in a phrase, and they didn't note what the purpose of this was, but someone wrote on a whiteboard, like, major topics, weapons in the field.
00:29:34.020 You know, maybe they meant, like, we need to be weapons in the field because we're going to go win the election for Brandon, who they weren't calling Brandon yet.
00:29:42.120 But that's how ahead of the times they were.
00:29:44.940 They were from the future.
00:29:45.920 Yeah, they were from the future.
00:29:47.340 And so it's just all these strange things.
00:29:50.260 And they're like, wow, this is pretty weird.
00:29:51.660 We better tell the Secretary of State about it.
00:29:53.920 The Secretary of State's a Democrat.
00:29:55.560 Or we could tell the FBI about it.
00:29:57.760 The FBI are Democrats.
00:29:59.360 And so that's kind of just, that's where it went.
00:30:02.140 That's kind of how it ended.
00:30:03.220 And so obviously the big picture thing is, Muskegon County by itself did not swing Michigan.
00:30:07.980 But this company was active nationwide in a lot of different places.
00:30:12.840 They got, it looks like, many millions of dollars from the Democrats.
00:30:16.460 They were elsewhere in Michigan.
00:30:17.820 They were in other states.
00:30:19.260 And if the fate of this investigation was we found all this weird stuff and then we just decided collectively we're not going to look at it anymore, how often did that happen in the incredibly fair election that was 2020?
00:30:31.760 Mm-hmm.
00:30:33.000 So you weren't thrilled with the article, though?
00:30:35.820 I wasn't thrilled with the article because, let me bring up the headline here.
00:30:40.720 What we've got is, Gateway...
00:30:43.860 I like Gateway Pundit, for the record.
00:30:46.620 I think they're great.
00:30:48.400 So...
00:30:49.000 I do.
00:30:49.880 I like Jim Hoff.
00:30:50.760 I've known him for a while.
00:30:51.900 They play a very important role in the movement.
00:30:53.980 I'm on the record saying that.
00:30:55.140 I like Gateway Pundit.
00:30:55.860 So what Gateway Pundit does is...
00:30:57.860 I couldn't say more, speak more highly of Gateway Pundit, their role.
00:31:02.520 The fact that Gateway Pundit, by the way, was there even...
00:31:05.460 I want to say they even got started before Breitbart.com got started.
00:31:08.140 No, they're great.
00:31:09.180 And they don't, they never give up.
00:31:10.660 They are relentless.
00:31:11.760 I like Gateway Pundit.
00:31:13.060 I really do.
00:31:13.780 My issue with Gateway Pundit is, one, I think many of the stories they publish are just not true.
00:31:18.440 And I think in the grand scheme of things...
00:31:20.840 It's not true.
00:31:21.540 That's...
00:31:21.960 A ton of them aren't true.
00:31:23.820 We tried, Charlie.
00:31:24.980 We tried.
00:31:26.280 You just...
00:31:26.720 That's how it is.
00:31:28.020 The essence of it is true.
00:31:30.780 They put...
00:31:33.740 How do I best say this?
00:31:35.300 They are...
00:31:37.000 They dress up the story in a way that makes you want to read it.
00:31:43.440 There are five breathers over there. 0.84
00:31:44.580 Is that a way to say it, Jack?
00:31:46.020 They take a story and then they make it so you want to click on it.
00:31:51.740 No different than BuzzFeed would.
00:31:53.940 It's a tactic.
00:31:54.880 They just use different tactics for true stories.
00:31:59.220 Well...
00:31:59.660 Okay.
00:32:00.940 Again, I just think that they often...
00:32:02.720 Like, so they push...
00:32:03.800 One thing I disliked with this article is they loop it in with, like, the old footage from 2020 of, like, a van pulling up in, I think, Wayne County, Michigan to whatever center it was.
00:32:13.460 I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head.
00:32:15.160 But it's like, guys, that van, like, it's been discussed.
00:32:18.160 The van is not someone dumping 200,000 votes out of nowhere to swing Michigan to Biden with these made-up ballots.
00:32:25.540 And, in fact, like, Wayne County didn't even vote more for Biden than it did in 2016.
00:32:30.060 It was one of the only counties in Michigan that didn't.
00:32:31.880 Trump did great in Wayne County.
00:32:33.100 And they also kind of give it this number, 800,000.
00:32:37.240 They're like, this thing in Muskegon County proves 800,000 fake votes in Michigan.
00:32:44.160 And, no, what it is is the Secretary of State, the former Republican Secretary of State for Michigan says, I believe up to 800,000 improper ballot applications were sent out.
00:32:55.040 So this is a more interesting – I don't – the specifics you might be right on.
00:32:59.440 But the reason they –
00:33:00.460 Go ahead, Jack.
00:33:01.880 I was going to say the reason they picked that video is because that wasn't – I remember this from 2020.
00:33:05.860 That was an exclusive video obtained by the Gateway Pundit.
00:33:08.920 So I think all they're doing there is just referring back to their own reporting.
00:33:12.100 We do that at postmillennial and human events every day.
00:33:15.080 Well, okay, but then they're referring back to a story that essentially didn't go anywhere, and it actually proved to be a huge distraction.
00:33:21.720 And that's where I would critique this.
00:33:22.980 For the right, we care a lot about election integrity, and I think with a lot of cases, we get sort of carried away with believe every alleged case of election integrity or of election fraud when what would be much better for us as a party in a movement is if we could just decisively prove and get someone convicted even on a single one, even if it doesn't change the result of the election.
00:33:46.340 If we put in a lot of resources to figure out exactly what happened in Muskegon County and found a criminal and convicted them, that would do a lot more than like really wild allegations of ballot mules or whatever that go nowhere.
00:33:58.080 My defense is not going to be as specific.
00:34:00.220 It will be more general of the gateway pundit, which is that there is a role for boundary-pushing, headline-grabbing type of journalism, publishing that does, let's just say, add an element of excitement and an element of sexiness.
00:34:19.920 At the same time, I agree we must always be anchored to the truth.
00:34:23.060 However, here's what I'll say.
00:34:24.700 The gateway pundit, they will engage in what would be considered third-rail stories, and I'm glad because there needs to be an organization that does that.
00:34:33.960 Sometimes you're going to come up empty, or sometimes you're going to find out that Epstein Island is legit.
00:34:38.640 So I think you would agree, Blake, there is a place for the provocative, the boundary-pushing.
00:34:43.600 Definitely, but I guess I would say what's the left-wing equivalent of gateway pundit?
00:34:47.240 The New York Times.
00:34:48.180 But it's not.
00:34:49.020 It's just not.
00:34:49.720 Unfortunately, it's not.
00:34:50.400 I'd love that if it were true.
00:34:51.920 But the New York Times, they obviously paper things over.
00:34:55.640 The New York Times, the thing about it is you will, the New York Times is a very biased outlet, but they're biased in what they choose to cover.
00:35:02.620 They're biased in how they frame everything.
00:35:04.740 It's a very high level of bias.
00:35:06.860 Daily Beast, TP, Talking Points, MMO.
00:35:09.000 They'd be more so, but even the Daily Beast is not going to just wildly, I think, again, the headline here was, this proves mass ballot fraud in Michigan.
00:35:17.680 They would never title something like that.
00:35:18.860 The Daily Beast speculates constantly.
00:35:21.120 They do.
00:35:21.520 But it's even, they're more restrained about it.
00:35:23.920 I want to interject on the subject matter here a little bit.
00:35:26.720 Sure, sure.
00:35:27.140 Instead of about gateway pundit.
00:35:29.060 So gateway pundit is wonderful.
00:35:30.280 Awesome.
00:35:30.820 I fully endorse gateway pundit.
00:35:32.520 And here's the reason why.
00:35:33.520 Because, again, I agree with Charlie.
00:35:36.180 The Daily Beast and all the different, there's 10 equivalents out there where they take one element here and they run with it.
00:35:45.220 And I like what we're talking about here because Michigan is, we're dealing with criminals.
00:35:50.000 I mean, we're dealing with literal people who are trying to throw people into prison in Michigan that are political enemies.
00:35:59.400 And what's happened here is what they're on to.
00:36:02.520 Maybe the estimate that came from the state senator that's former secretary of state that you brought up, 800,000.
00:36:07.160 That's the conversation that existed.
00:36:08.580 It doesn't matter if 800,000 is the correct number.
00:36:12.640 The reality is it probably is hundreds of thousands of improperly registered people.
00:36:18.760 And what we know at Turning Point Action, the research that we've done and taking the Democrats' own research, is they know they get one vote for every two people they register.
00:36:29.120 That's the number.
00:36:30.000 That's the number across.
00:36:30.940 That's their numbers.
00:36:32.080 They tell all of their groups, their outside C4s, that if you can register two young people, one of them we can get to vote, meaning we can chase their ballot, we can harvest their ballot and go from there. 0.97
00:36:43.660 That is the subject matter right now.
00:36:45.060 We know in Michigan the game that they're playing is they're trying to either falsely register or accurately register.
00:36:53.740 It doesn't really matter at this point because it doesn't matter if you're a warm, live body, you're dead, or you're nonexistent in Democrat world because all that matters is the paper that results in that registration because they're going to figure out a way to deliver the ballot, the paper ballot, to the mailbox, and that ultimately gets to the processing center.
00:37:15.260 That's what they care about.
00:37:16.660 So the subject matter here, and this is why I love Gateway Pundit, is they're hated.
00:37:20.680 And anyone that's hated by the left.
00:37:22.340 I like them a little bit.
00:37:23.440 Yeah, it makes me love them.
00:37:25.000 And here's the reason why, and I don't think the subject matter that they're talking about here is true, is accurate.
00:37:31.540 We know that there are not just tens of thousands of ballots are voter registrations that have been falsified or pushed.
00:37:38.260 There's hundreds of thousands, most likely, right?
00:37:40.960 We can all agree to that, right?
00:37:42.380 It may not be 800,000, but if it's half that, that's 400,000.
00:37:46.800 And that means that on the Democrats' notes alone, they expect out of that 400,000 that got registered, 200,000 to get returned.
00:37:55.920 That should scare every single person that's witnessing and listening to this story.
00:38:00.180 And that's where I don't think they're actually sewing up this story, to your point, which is like, well, what's the meaning of this, right?
00:38:06.420 What does this mean?
00:38:07.700 And we don't always get there, actually, because, you know, Gateway Pundit will come out with something, and then, like, the moderates will be like, oh, I'm embarrassed because I got one fact wrong because they said that the sky was cloudy and it was really a clear blue sky that day.
00:38:21.100 That's a distraction.
00:38:22.140 The real fact here is that hundreds of thousands of people are getting registered that don't really want to vote, whether they're alive, real, or not.
00:38:34.000 So, Blake, you will be publishing your next op-ed for GatewayPundit.com.
00:38:40.000 Oh, boy.
00:38:42.060 I don't want to dwell on this too much, but let's put it.
00:38:45.260 Blake, how about this?
00:38:46.120 If you were writing the story, how would you have headlined it?
00:38:49.000 In the most scintillatingly accurate way possible.
00:38:53.040 Well, this is not going to make you happy.
00:38:54.940 Well, not me.
00:38:55.600 I mean, the audience is the one that wants to lynch you.
00:38:58.060 You don't want to do scintillating.
00:38:58.500 You'd probably do something.
00:38:59.740 You'd be like newly unearthed police report from Muskegon County, like, found, you know, guns, ballots, lies.
00:39:08.780 That's not that far off, though, Blake.
00:39:10.700 But they found guns.
00:39:11.960 We're not using the 800,000 number.
00:39:14.060 Fair.
00:39:14.540 Okay, but what I'm getting at is you guys are in this.
00:39:18.380 It's odd, exposed.
00:39:19.180 Okay, we're in the same zip code, though.
00:39:21.780 But that's the thing.
00:39:22.680 It's so subtle.
00:39:23.520 So why do you need to do the one that gets you, like, one, it gets you demonetized everywhere.
00:39:28.040 And it makes it way too easy to basically just say, like, oh, you guys are a bunch of cranks and we don't need to listen to you.
00:39:34.160 And I think, I don't think it does.
00:39:37.160 I get why it happens, but I don't think it does the right a lot of credit.
00:39:41.060 And I guess I would ask, what's, like, the big political victory that we won because of, like, a Gateway Pundit article that was written that way?
00:39:47.400 Jack, your thoughts?
00:39:49.760 I think the Gateway Pundit's great.
00:39:51.920 I think they're a great website.
00:39:53.120 I think Jim and his brother Joe, who has an excellent book series on this entire, well, prior to this report, I should say.
00:40:01.720 Everything that we've learned prior to this report are fantastic.
00:40:05.420 And, you know, on the journalistic point, you've got to give them credit because the Gateway Pundit actually did unearth this report.
00:40:11.480 So we wouldn't even be here talking about the, you know, the quality of the headline if it wasn't for the fact that they actually did do the digging and they were dogged on this story.
00:40:21.120 And now we have this police report.
00:40:23.440 Topic three, civil war now.
00:40:25.520 A lot of chatter about that.
00:40:27.280 Jack, walk us through what just recently happened in Utah.
00:40:31.660 Please, Jack, take the lead.
00:40:32.940 Yeah, so 6.15 a.m. local time, I guess mountain time yesterday in, which I believe you guys are all in right now, or no, you're Pacific time right now.
00:40:44.820 Provo, Utah, yesterday morning, the FBI raided a 75-year-old man living on a suburban street, suburban neighborhood.
00:40:56.460 Man weighs 300 pounds, walked with a cane, had trouble getting around by himself, discovered his blind son.
00:41:02.940 They raided him in a pre-dawn raid, full Bearcat SWAT truck that came up with them, rifles drawn at maximum, screaming at him, 6.15 in the morning.
00:41:15.840 We've got a video that, you know, do we have the video?
00:41:17.740 Do we actually have the video, guys?
00:41:19.860 We have body cam footage, is that right?
00:41:21.820 I didn't know we had that already.
00:41:22.560 We don't have body cam footage.
00:41:24.420 What we have is actually, and we played this earlier today on human events, FBI body cam footage, very hard to come by.
00:41:31.560 It's extremely rare that it's ever been released in any case.
00:41:34.400 You can sue for it, and you might eventually get it.
00:41:37.140 You might, but like I say, it's rare.
00:41:39.000 It's not like local.
00:41:40.860 Correct.
00:41:41.320 This is neighbor footage, basically.
00:41:43.500 So it's somebody directly across the street who is filming, and what you see is the preview, basically, how the event started and unfolded.
00:41:51.840 You don't actually hear or see the shooting in the video that's come out.
00:41:55.780 The Salt Lake Tribune posted this, as long as a few other people have posted it out and verified it.
00:42:01.580 And so they were serving a search and arrest warrant against making threats on President Biden, making threats on Kamala Harris, as well.
00:42:11.300 And there's a number of other federal officials on this individual.
00:42:15.560 But what's very interesting is that the FBI had actually had this guy under surveillance physically, either starting or occurring all the way back in March of this year.
00:42:26.740 They spoke with him at his home in March of this year after visiting him or after following him to church, where they watched him attend services and then get into the car with another individual, confronted him at his home, asked him about the posts.
00:42:41.960 He, you know, he told them, come back with the warrant.
00:42:45.020 Apparently, they did come back with the warrant here several months later.
00:42:49.240 And and they claim at this point that he was he was brandishing a gun.
00:42:54.980 And that is why they decided to open fire, killed him and inhaled a bullet.
00:42:59.240 OK, well, Jack, let's also be fair.
00:43:01.900 He has posted stuff on social media that if you think we would deem unacceptable, if you post stuff like this guy posted,
00:43:09.460 you should expect a knock on your door.
00:43:12.420 OK, so I good.
00:43:13.160 I just want to make sure we communicate that that one of the posts, he said, FBI, next time you come to my door, you know, let me know, because I'm going to have a loaded gun waiting for you.
00:43:23.920 Well, and he has all of the posts are extremely inflammatory and incredibly boomer.
00:43:29.840 Like it's all like the laugh emoji thing, like all of this.
00:43:32.600 Like I have expected to put one up as like it's very like next time. 0.98
00:43:37.660 It's like when agents come to my place, I'm going to kill you. 0.67
00:43:40.380 It's going to have like a minion on it or something. 0.73
00:43:43.380 This is this is someone in their life, maybe not necessarily in your family, but I'm sure that, you know, someone in your life who's in that age range that posts like this.
00:43:52.340 Look, here's what I'll say is that some people on the sinister left are doing the F.A.F.O. stuff.
00:43:58.120 Right. I don't like that.
00:43:59.380 OK, this is a guy that died on the other side.
00:44:01.800 I think there is a little bit too much of a almost a BLM reaction like, oh, my gosh, the police are killing us.
00:44:09.540 Look, this is this is what this guy said a couple of weeks ago.
00:44:12.820 Hey, FBI, you still monitoring my social media checking so I can be sure to have a loaded gun handy in case you drop by again.
00:44:20.020 Let's be honest.
00:44:20.740 If Taha Nisi Coates, the BLM author, wrote that and he was raided by the FBI and killed, I don't think we'd be like, oh, my goodness.
00:44:28.520 But he wouldn't because that's the secret.
00:44:30.140 But he wouldn't be raided by the FBI.
00:44:31.520 He's like you're cutting all the contact now.
00:44:34.560 Or that that black people are never raided by the FBI. 0.50
00:44:37.720 I mean, the point I mean, they're the issues.
00:44:41.040 Popular black fighters like that. 0.96
00:44:42.840 Celebrities that have called for killing President Trump. 0.96
00:44:45.380 Celebrities that have called for doing all sorts of things to Trump's family, to Barron Trump.
00:44:50.460 And in their defense, in a wood chipper, I don't remember any of those people being raided.
00:44:57.740 A Harvard professor did once get arrested for trying to get into his own house.
00:45:01.740 So that led to the beer summit.
00:45:03.360 I'm not.
00:45:04.000 But that wasn't the FBI either.
00:45:05.440 What I mean to say is there is a contact here that the FBI has been targeting one side to the point about January 6th.
00:45:11.920 Blake, what do you got?
00:45:12.900 Well, how about we go into like one of one of five, because this is what we're leading into.
00:45:18.400 So this happens.
00:45:19.940 Obviously, there's a sort of like violent stuff.
00:45:22.260 But this is all sort of a setup for there's a lot of there's a lot of weird talk on the right.
00:45:28.200 And we'll see it with clip 105 here.
00:45:30.620 If Donald Trump were to be found guilty by a jury, where do you see this going?
00:45:36.260 Civil war.
00:45:37.540 Civil war.
00:45:38.460 Divide it up because we can't live together, obviously.
00:45:41.140 So you we see this.
00:45:45.180 It's the thing that if you've been around the right a long time, it'll pop up on Facebook, on our on Internet forums in real life at the Thanksgiving dinner with a lot from the guy like this unfortunate man who was just killed by the FBI.
00:45:57.500 And it's this like we're headed for a civil war.
00:46:00.300 Like, I don't see how this can end peacefully.
00:46:01.860 This is going to end in a sometimes the line they'll use is national divorce, which is maybe the peaceful version of this split the country.
00:46:07.860 And the reason we put this in the topic in the show is I think we could have the debate like is this is this cope, which is there's sort of I think there's an apocalyptic bias in a lot of conservative people where it's like it seems really hard to imagine like, oh, change the system politically, you know, win elections, change your city, change your state, change the country.
00:46:28.560 And instead, it's so much more comforting to think like the Democrats, they're going to screw up so bad that there'll just be this explosion and there'll be this like glorious redemption.
00:46:37.520 And we'll we'll win this civil war somehow, even though we don't have the army, we don't have the FBI, we don't have the police, we don't have the corporations.
00:46:44.680 We would basically just be a bunch of like we're all like cripplingly obese.
00:46:48.240 So we'd be a bunch of fat people with guns and win a civil war.
00:46:53.220 To Jack's point, why isn't Madonna received a raid from the FBI?
00:46:56.720 Play cut 120.
00:46:57.420 Yes, I'm angry.
00:47:02.720 Yes, I am outraged.
00:47:07.060 Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House.
00:47:15.140 Jack, she didn't get a no.
00:47:16.480 Oh, well, it wasn't a no knock raid.
00:47:17.960 We don't know.
00:47:18.420 I mean, that's that's a separate issue.
00:47:20.080 But they just wanted to stay away from Madonna.
00:47:22.380 Do we have that clip?
00:47:23.780 The the clip of the the action.
00:47:25.500 So, Charlie, you haven't seen the video yet.
00:47:26.900 Is that what I'm getting?
00:47:28.400 No, let's play that.
00:47:29.500 Let's play cut 118.
00:47:35.000 I couldn't really hear what was going on there, but it was probably not good.
00:47:40.040 Very.
00:47:40.080 Yeah, it's it's so we've we've played this.
00:47:43.300 Yeah, I've played a couple of times.
00:47:44.480 We're trying to get the audio cleaned up.
00:47:46.440 I've even seen people on Twitter that have that have cleaned this up where they've taken the explosion out to see if you can hear any voices or anything in that.
00:47:53.800 Oh, I heard the audio.
00:47:56.540 Someone saying that we couldn't hear the audio at all.
00:47:58.520 Um, so you could you could hear like there's some kind of argument.
00:48:02.180 There's some kind of argument going on.
00:48:03.920 Um, then there is this is so if folks didn't hear the audio on the podcast side, um, there's some kind of argument.
00:48:09.820 There's some screaming.
00:48:10.860 It's it's hard to tell what's being said or who's who, you know, who's saying what basically.
00:48:15.820 Um, but then a flashbang goes off and then the video cuts off because the guy I guess the guy either either he stopped filming or that's the only part of the film that he's.
00:48:25.380 Yeah, and so some some people say that this was more of a hit than it was of a rate, right?
00:48:30.720 That could be it could be.
00:48:33.160 But I guess I would say that just to me that ends up we sound a lot like, you know, these Antifa every single time, you know, one of them is, you know, he was just turning his life around.
00:48:41.800 And then the police showed up and shot him just because he pulled a gun out of his waistband and waved it like a maniac. 0.98
00:48:46.860 And there is an element of, you know, play very stupid games and win. 0.99
00:48:51.560 Well, that's the F.A.F.O. thing. 1.00
00:48:53.860 Right. Which I not exactly sympathetic with.
00:48:57.160 But yeah, go ahead, Jack.
00:48:58.420 But that's but that's not what I've seen people say online.
00:49:00.440 All right. Right.
00:49:00.800 I haven't seen anyone necessarily defend the, you know, try to say that the guy didn't do anything wrong.
00:49:06.760 I haven't seen anything.
00:49:07.600 Anyone say anything like that.
00:49:08.940 What I have seen people say was, why did the FBI decide to do this when and I'd love to do this, too, that, you know, we have a photo and I posted this on on Twitter earlier.
00:49:20.120 And the New York Post actually ran it where this was a guy who was not only well known and well liked in his community.
00:49:28.000 He was a carpenter who had just put together a ramp or like a disabled neighbor. 0.98
00:49:33.040 Someone who's pretty well known, a regular churchgoer.
00:49:37.120 It seemed like there were probably ways to do this that would have been better and safer, not only for the defendant.
00:49:44.340 In this case, the suspect, but probably safer for the FBI agents, too.
00:49:50.220 That's definitely fair.
00:49:51.420 I think that there's almost, you know, kind of the thing like when you all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
00:49:56.820 Like when all you have is your whole SWAT loadout to go around and raid anyone who posts something insane on Facebook, everyone looks like a domestic terrorist.
00:50:05.660 So to be fair, this is a normal church activity to do this kind of stuff with a Mormon culture.
00:50:10.500 OZLDS. 0.99
00:50:11.180 Yeah.
00:50:11.320 I mean, Provo.
00:50:12.280 He's from.
00:50:12.700 I'm inferring.
00:50:13.600 Yeah.
00:50:13.780 He's like.
00:50:14.880 But I mean, to be like, again, he just.
00:50:18.260 You mean the ramp, not the post.
00:50:19.580 Tyler.
00:50:20.400 Yeah.
00:50:20.640 I mean, the ramp.
00:50:23.360 Not the not the agitated in the FBI.
00:50:26.500 Although.
00:50:27.120 Yeah.
00:50:27.360 I mean, back in the early days.
00:50:28.820 I mean, the Mormons were known to agitate the government.
00:50:32.140 So, I mean, but this.
00:50:34.200 Bring back.
00:50:34.840 The only religion ever to be outlawed by a state government.
00:50:39.140 Sorry.
00:50:39.380 Continue.
00:50:39.780 Yeah.
00:50:40.080 And and then they showed up to Utah and then they ran them out.
00:50:45.580 Yeah.
00:50:45.800 Ran them out of Utah.
00:50:46.720 Have they repealed that law?
00:50:47.940 I wonder if they like technically.
00:50:48.960 In Missouri.
00:50:49.600 In Missouri.
00:50:49.880 Oh, it got repealed like a few years ago.
00:50:52.540 I think Mitt Romney was running there.
00:50:54.560 And Mitt wouldn't make a campaign stop because it was legal to kill him.
00:50:57.960 That is true.
00:50:59.180 There's a big.
00:50:59.940 There's also ongoing.
00:51:01.160 There's ongoing excavation projects in Missouri, too, I think.
00:51:04.180 Yeah.
00:51:04.600 All right.
00:51:05.100 So how did we get on that?
00:51:07.320 But yeah.
00:51:07.660 I mean, look, if they wanted to arrest him, why could they get him to go to his car?
00:51:10.500 When they're going to the car?
00:51:11.660 I'm afraid.
00:51:12.380 Here's the truth of it.
00:51:13.460 And we may never know because this is not as big of a deal.
00:51:15.500 And we know from Waco and Ruby Ridge that there's some really bad people that can be in the FBI.
00:51:19.500 We know that.
00:51:20.280 Here's my opinion.
00:51:21.240 They saw this chatter.
00:51:22.560 They saw this guy was talking a big game.
00:51:24.400 They said, let's go saddle up. 0.79
00:51:26.340 We're going to bring in SWAT big time.
00:51:28.420 And we're going to go bring in guns a blazing.
00:51:30.820 That's my fear of what happened here.
00:51:32.420 We may never be able to prove it.
00:51:33.660 But we know from federal activity before that that's very possible.
00:51:37.400 You know, we're going to go after the guy that talks a big game.
00:51:40.080 And was he actually brandishing a weapon?
00:51:42.880 Was that's an interesting question.
00:51:44.620 OK, we got to keep moving along.
00:51:45.960 Do I have an ad read or?
00:51:48.080 OK.
00:51:49.320 Do you believe in miracles?
00:51:51.460 Yes.
00:51:52.320 As Al Michaels would say, one of the greatest international sports moments in American history right up there with the miracle on ice against the Russians.
00:52:01.840 Michael Phelps winning his 15th gold.
00:52:06.200 Play cut 108.
00:52:07.580 USA, USA.
00:52:18.640 I have never been more proud.
00:52:20.640 I have never been more proud of my country.
00:52:23.020 Who posted Jack?
00:52:24.180 Were you the one that posted her with blonde hair?
00:52:26.220 And she was like, actually, yeah, yeah, I think it was you, Jack.
00:52:29.560 Somebody posted her with blonde hair like a normal human being. 1.00
00:52:34.160 Like, what's her face on MSNBC before she went?
00:52:36.540 She didn't used to look like she didn't used to stylize herself this way. 0.98
00:52:40.100 She didn't used to try to go for this whole woke icon thing where even like Lego is making little, what do you call them?
00:52:47.720 The Lego figurines of her.
00:52:50.000 Minifigures.
00:52:50.560 Minifigures.
00:52:51.780 OK, yeah, nerd deck.
00:52:52.780 That she was like a normal soccer playing woman who didn't act like this at all until she got a taste of the spotlight and until she started chasing that dragon of more dopamine hits. 0.79
00:53:09.880 I'm fighting for equal rights, equal pay, et cetera, et cetera.
00:53:13.220 And then suddenly goes and blows it at the last minute.
00:53:16.160 But keep in mind that this is the same U.S.
00:53:18.940 Women's team that also lost.
00:53:21.520 I think it was to Blake was the 15 and under club.
00:53:24.460 I think it was an elite.
00:53:25.580 It was as Dallas.
00:53:26.660 I believe like Dallas elite.
00:53:28.640 This was a few years ago.
00:53:29.400 They might have been another recent year olds, but it was like elite middle school squad from the Dallas area was the one.
00:53:34.400 And yeah, I was just thinking you said, you know, she used to be a normal soccer playing woman. 1.00
00:53:40.600 And now it's like you put each of those in quotes.
00:53:42.460 So it'd be like normal soccer playing.
00:53:44.940 That's right.
00:53:45.340 That's exactly right.
00:53:46.680 But, you know, I think, yeah, I think we have to regard this as a patriotic triumph.
00:53:50.080 As as a future U.S. president once said, I like to see bad people fail.
00:53:54.460 And, you know, she failed.
00:53:56.260 I'm happy about it.
00:53:57.380 And it's too bad.
00:53:58.440 I'm sure some some I assume are good people.
00:54:00.980 And it's too bad that, you know, Megan Rapinoe took over this entire team for her like Pino or Rapinoe.
00:54:06.180 I don't care.
00:54:07.100 Good answer.
00:54:07.760 Good answer.
00:54:08.600 You know, she took it over for this like vanity political project and made it, you know, a politics thing instead of a national pride thing and made it so like and then, you know, oh, what was my greatest career highlight?
00:54:19.240 Like making it so that our men's national team is worse because we have to divert all this funding to this like ascended middle school squad to win their World Cup.
00:54:27.500 And, you know, I think it's very American for us to be very annoyed by that and to see a comeuppance.
00:54:34.080 It's a form of I think new American is the great right spelled N-U American. 0.83
00:54:38.700 It's very new American.
00:54:40.320 Well, this is just like Colin Kaepernick, though, with just like everybody ended up rooting against him.
00:54:46.560 Right.
00:54:46.820 It's the same thing.
00:54:47.680 And then like he woke up one day is like, you know, Nike's not there and everybody's not there and you lose and you don't make teams and that everybody's like laughing at you.
00:54:57.140 She's kind of coming to this realization that like maybe hopefully that that everybody really does like there's more haters than the lovers.
00:55:05.840 Well, look, let's be honest.
00:55:07.100 More people are now talking about women's soccer and actually watching women's soccer because of them losing than if they actually would have been in the final.
00:55:14.420 And this was like Brittany Griner at the WNBA. 0.99
00:55:16.140 Right. It's like nothing made me more irritated than seeing a full stadium walking Brittany Griner home.
00:55:21.580 It's like some I'm sure the left is going to try to turn this into like some like heroes arc, you know, like she's down and out and like she's going to come back and they're going to do some kind of crap to like.
00:55:33.020 I think this was her last game, though.
00:55:34.440 I think she's retired.
00:55:35.360 It is.
00:55:35.940 Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:36.260 This is her last game.
00:55:37.220 This is her last game.
00:55:37.880 But they're going to try to find something unless.
00:55:40.120 Wait, guys.
00:55:40.740 What if she runs for president? 0.98
00:55:42.620 Oh, my gosh.
00:55:43.160 What if she runs for office? 0.86
00:55:44.000 Don't say that.
00:55:45.100 Totally will.
00:55:46.140 I've got it.
00:55:46.820 I've got it.
00:55:47.480 Tyler, you just put it together.
00:55:49.860 She should challenge the Russians women's team in Moscow and then head over there.
00:55:56.440 And then Putin, if you're listening, if you're listening, maybe you can take care of it.
00:56:04.020 Maybe you can Brittany Griner the problem for it. 1.00
00:56:07.060 Yeah.
00:56:07.500 Sure.
00:56:07.780 But it's sure about that or whatever that is.
00:56:11.060 Media matters clip.
00:56:12.780 Jack Posobiec calls on Putin to arrest Megan Rapinoe after you.
00:56:16.860 He wants to be clear.
00:56:18.680 He's patterned down at Russian TSA.
00:56:21.660 All right.
00:56:22.100 So let's play this.
00:56:23.940 Cut 124.
00:56:24.800 Megan Rapinoe dressed like a stripper.
00:56:26.360 Is that like the ESPYs or something?
00:56:27.700 And why is she not wearing any clothes?
00:56:29.600 Not even looking at a kid asking her to sign a soccer ball.
00:56:32.580 Why is she dressed like this? 0.99
00:56:34.580 Play cut 124.
00:56:35.640 So that's at the ESPYs, right?
00:56:46.240 You're my hero.
00:56:47.200 She's thinking about her run for president of Pan Am.
00:56:51.060 Blake, you have that outfit, right?
00:56:52.840 You were wearing that in the studio the other day.
00:56:54.480 He's got the jacket.
00:56:55.180 Can we send Jack to Russia and have Putin, Brittany Griner him for a bit? 0.97
00:56:59.400 So is that her wife or her partner?
00:57:01.540 24 hours.
00:57:02.340 I will end it.
00:57:03.100 No, but is this her partner next to her?
00:57:06.460 Why do they dress like that? 0.96
00:57:08.200 It's like award show stuff.
00:57:10.480 It's like it's high.
00:57:11.440 It's high fashion.
00:57:13.340 Oh, high fashion from Mr. Mustache.
00:57:16.240 Yeah.
00:57:16.880 High fashion.
00:57:17.900 Okay.
00:57:18.160 So then let's play another piece of tape here.
00:57:20.140 Megan Rapinoe, philosopher.
00:57:23.900 Philosopher.
00:57:24.960 Play cut 109.
00:57:27.660 What do you have to say?
00:57:29.860 I deserve this.
00:57:31.540 What do you deserve?
00:57:32.480 You deserve all of it.
00:57:35.840 Everything.
00:57:36.880 You deserve this.
00:57:38.480 She belongs.
00:57:40.600 Much, much, much later.
00:57:42.720 Wokeism makes you lose, ruins your mind, and ruins you as a person.
00:57:48.740 The U.S. women's soccer team is a very good example of what's going on.
00:57:52.840 This one ended, but the fight to get there all the way to PKs and obviously not going your way in the end.
00:57:58.220 Yeah, I thought we played really well.
00:58:02.180 I thought we played really well.
00:58:03.960 I'm so happy for us that we went out like that, playing the way that we did and, you know, having a ton of joy on the ball.
00:58:11.760 I mean, this is like a sick joke.
00:58:15.520 For me personally, I'm just like, this is dark comedy.
00:58:18.280 I missed a penalty.
00:58:21.120 And, yeah.
00:58:23.480 This is dark comedy.
00:58:25.120 She's moved on to her next role running for president of Panem.
00:58:29.480 Panem?
00:58:29.960 Panem, whatever.
00:58:31.440 Panem today.
00:58:32.580 No, in all seriousness, though, I can totally see her running for office, and that disturbs me.
00:58:38.300 And there's going to be a lot of that, by the way.
00:58:39.940 I think there's going to be – I think the unfortunate – if we're successful in making sure that we have a Republican president this next election cycle,
00:58:47.740 I think you're going to see a huge swing to the opposite where the left is going to be running more celebrity-style candidates, even more so than they do.
00:59:00.700 Because they're not.
00:59:01.740 They don't have that right now.
00:59:02.960 They're not running that.
00:59:04.080 Boring and transactional.
00:59:05.220 It's boring and transactional.
00:59:06.700 And so I think there's going to be positives and negatives to that.
00:59:09.960 The positive is that I think it's going to actually put us in a place where we can make sure that we win as long as we have the infrastructure for that.
00:59:17.500 The negative is you're going to have, like, Megans, like, as U.S. Senators, and that's going to be a real problem.
00:59:22.700 Yeah, so let's play cut 125.
00:59:24.780 So, Jack, should we draft more candidates like this?
00:59:29.520 B-roll is going to play.
00:59:30.600 Can we do side-by-side with this?
00:59:33.480 If you don't hate her yet, just give me a chance.
00:59:36.480 You see this, Jack?
00:59:37.180 Can you see what we're looking at?
00:59:38.020 Ooh, look at this.
00:59:39.960 This is the funky Rapinoe, apparently.
00:59:46.800 Yes, the funky Rapinoe, also known as the COVID shuffle or the Pfizer shuffle.
00:59:54.620 You know, if you have enough boosters, that's basically how your body reacts when they all hit at the same time.
01:00:00.460 That's if you combine, by the way, Pfizer, Moderna, and Ozempic all at once.
01:00:05.780 This is you get Rapinoe'd.
01:00:07.980 Look, I just think Tyler's right.
01:00:10.860 I think that we are going to see a place where, because, okay, so America has broken, essentially, into several camps at this point.
01:00:20.300 You know, obviously, Tyler was completely wrong when he disagreed with me earlier on this.
01:00:23.460 But, and I was completely right, as per usual.
01:00:28.120 And then, because America has become more polarized and essentially more tribal, if Megan Rapinoe can find an area where there's just enough people in her tribe,
01:00:41.700 that's why what Tyler's saying is right about either a Senate seat, definitely there are congressional seats that she could run for. 0.95
01:00:48.620 I know you all have an interesting senator there in Arizona, by the way, who's not exactly like this, but definitely an interesting sort of bird herself, that we are going to see more of it.
01:00:59.900 We're just definitely going to see more of it.
01:01:02.260 Yeah, I mean, she definitely gives Kirsten a cent about right for her money. 1.00
01:01:07.160 That's for sure.
01:01:10.020 Kirsten's actually become less lesbian since she got in the office. 1.00
01:01:12.980 Yeah, I know.
01:01:13.320 She's acting much more heterosexual as the general election.
01:01:17.140 She probably wishes that she ran somewhere else. 0.98
01:01:19.840 I didn't know that Megan Rapinoe is hooking up with Sue Bird. 1.00
01:01:24.600 I don't even know who that is.
01:01:25.600 Former basketball player.
01:01:26.600 WNBA.
01:01:27.140 Yeah, that was it.
01:01:28.020 I am proud I didn't know that.
01:01:29.580 Big deal growing up.
01:01:31.360 She related to Larry Bird?
01:01:33.520 I don't think so.
01:01:35.520 I don't think so.
01:01:36.840 You could actually.
01:01:37.740 No, her parents are not.
01:01:39.020 It's not Larry Bird.
01:01:40.820 Not related.
01:01:43.740 Good luck having kids, Megan.
01:01:46.080 So what is the next topic?
01:01:50.040 Want to go to Prager?
01:01:50.740 While we're on the WNBA, we didn't cover this.
01:01:54.620 We did promise people Prager.
01:01:55.960 Just real quick.
01:01:57.220 Did you hear about this thing with Diana Taurasi?
01:02:00.100 No.
01:02:01.100 So the Phoenix Mercury wouldn't even recognize her for her birthday and didn't say like,
01:02:05.980 or was it Diana Taurasi?
01:02:07.040 Yeah.
01:02:08.980 No, no, no.
01:02:09.760 I'm sorry.
01:02:10.440 I'm getting this all wrong.
01:02:11.280 We'll come back to this.
01:02:12.520 We'll come back to this.
01:02:13.040 It wasn't Diana Taurasi.
01:02:14.200 Somebody else.
01:02:14.960 Is one of the other WNBA players that nobody knows, she's pregnant. 1.00
01:02:19.020 She's out on, she's having a baby and they didn't even wish her a happy birthday.
01:02:25.080 Because they don't want to focus on her being out having a baby.
01:02:28.460 All right.
01:02:28.960 Ready for Prager?
01:02:29.620 This is probably going to take some time.
01:02:31.040 Are we ready for this?
01:02:32.620 Yes.
01:02:32.940 I don't know.
01:02:33.700 Do we have an ad read?
01:02:35.560 Yeah.
01:02:36.020 This is going to be something.
01:02:38.080 Okay.
01:02:38.340 Do we, no reads?
01:02:39.400 Okay.
01:02:39.960 So Jack, do you want to cue this up?
01:02:42.000 Should I, I think that, so I.
01:02:45.020 Charlie, you go for it.
01:02:46.160 Because this is, this is your wheelhouse, man.
01:02:48.120 Yeah.
01:02:48.380 I mean, I, I really like Dennis.
01:02:49.820 He's a dear friend.
01:02:50.820 And I have listened to probably more Dennis Prager content than probably anybody alive,
01:02:55.260 honestly, especially I've listened to all of his.
01:02:56.680 You've listened to more Dennis Prager than Dennis Prager actually.
01:02:59.260 That's probably true.
01:03:00.460 And so, and I remember it and I take notes.
01:03:02.480 I've gotten a lot out of it.
01:03:03.220 His lectures on Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy is amazing.
01:03:08.340 So I, I know the mind of Dennis pretty well.
01:03:10.680 I read all of his op-eds.
01:03:11.800 He has really significantly enriched my life.
01:03:13.900 So when I found out Jordan Peterson, who I have respect for, but I obviously disagree
01:03:17.720 on some things and Dennis were doing this Exodus series, I got really excited by the
01:03:21.820 Daily Wire and I, I watched it and I, I flagged this way, way, way, way long time ago.
01:03:27.120 Cause I saw it all of a sudden, I didn't know where they started talking about pornography
01:03:29.640 in this kind of Exodus series.
01:03:31.860 I was like, well, that's probably going to make people interested.
01:03:36.160 And then I just kind of moved on.
01:03:37.120 By the way, Dennis's thoughts on pornography have remained consistent for decades.
01:03:41.320 This is not some sort of new thing.
01:03:42.680 I could point to like a 1990 lecture where he said the same thing now.
01:03:47.240 So isolated from that Exodus clip, Daily Wire, it went viral on YouTube because Dennis said
01:03:53.040 something, basically it could be interpreted as a normalizing pornography in marriage. 1.00
01:03:58.680 And so then he goes on a long form interview with Pints with Aquinas, which is a great YouTube
01:04:04.480 channel.
01:04:05.040 I think he's in Steubenville, Ohio, right?
01:04:07.260 Jack's the Catholic university there, right?
01:04:10.160 It's Franciscan university.
01:04:11.680 Yeah.
01:04:11.880 So it's kind of his podcast thing.
01:04:13.480 He's very, very, um, Catholic and yeah.
01:04:17.400 And so he has this long form interview that I saw right when it came out.
01:04:21.020 And again, I was like, oh, well, that's probably going to go viral.
01:04:23.480 And it didn't.
01:04:24.160 And then now out of nowhere, it did.
01:04:27.760 Now we're going to play the clip.
01:04:29.800 I'm not going to defend Dennis's stance here.
01:04:32.060 I will broadly say that I think people are being unfair to Dennis and I will defend that.
01:04:36.400 But I, he doesn't make it easy by the way, to defend him in some ways, because he does
01:04:40.560 take some sharper positions.
01:04:42.080 I don't share, but this is the position that I do not share with Dennis at all.
01:04:46.500 Uh, play cut one 10.
01:04:47.760 And this one is now going mega viral play cut 110.
01:04:51.500 Would you, would you use the word evil of animated child pornography?
01:04:54.760 Cause I certainly would.
01:04:56.060 No, I would use evil only with behavior.
01:04:58.180 That's where we might differ from forgetting the sex issue.
01:05:01.140 You can't be evil.
01:05:03.220 You didn't do evil.
01:05:04.220 If you thought evil, you did. 0.92
01:05:05.800 If I'm masturbating to animated pictures of pornography, I'm not doing something evil. 0.92
01:05:08.980 That's correct. 0.95
01:05:09.700 Yeah.
01:05:09.800 I think that's, I think that's despicable.
01:05:12.380 Now, if you see that clip and you get thrown into it, you're like, holy mother of goodness.
01:05:16.940 There was a Jack, you saw this, right?
01:05:18.800 There was a long windup to get to that place.
01:05:21.860 Okay.
01:05:22.340 So I'll say it, Charlie.
01:05:23.620 I saw it the opposite way that you saw it, because I saw it the way you just arrived in
01:05:27.620 that I saw this clip first.
01:05:30.080 Okay.
01:05:30.520 And then I think you, the very first thing I did was I was like, I got a message, Charlie
01:05:35.140 to make sure he saw this thing.
01:05:36.880 And then, and then true to form, you said, Hey, watch the whole thing.
01:05:40.140 This is part of a longer thing, which I then did.
01:05:43.140 And it's very layered, right?
01:05:44.400 So they, they, what I, what I want to just say is that this conversation was actually them
01:05:48.720 agreeing on almost everything, right?
01:05:51.020 Agreeing, agreeing, agreeing, agreeing, agreeing.
01:05:52.980 And Dennis was not necessarily defending pornography, nor is that his position.
01:05:57.760 His belief is this, which is a typical mainline Jewish belief, which is only your behavior will 0.99
01:06:04.100 be judged by God.
01:06:05.060 That's actually not consistent with the scriptures.
01:06:07.360 Thou shall not covet is a thought crime, actually a thought sin.
01:06:11.940 It's the only one that is, that leads to so much bad.
01:06:15.080 But Jack, I want you to riff on this because this is going viral.
01:06:18.500 Are people being unfair to Dennis?
01:06:20.520 Where do you agree or disagree on this?
01:06:22.160 Because this has now opened up millions of people talking about the issue of pornography,
01:06:26.840 Judaism, Prager, the Torah, your thoughts.
01:06:28.940 So, so I think there's, I think there's a couple of things going on here though.
01:06:32.580 I think just at, at its, at its first and foremost, that watching pornography of any form of any
01:06:40.300 form, no, he's talking about the reason they say animated in this point is in the, is due
01:06:45.020 because they're doing a thought experiment, they're forming a thought experiment.
01:06:47.820 And so to take out the fact that a human being would be involved in, uh, either exploited or
01:06:54.580 traffic or whatever have you, um, regarding the creation of this particular form of pornography.
01:07:01.820 I think though, that in that case, uh, whether it's animated or, uh, not, I don't even think
01:07:07.500 animated is the right word to use anymore.
01:07:09.420 What we should actually use is the word, uh, AI, because that's going to be the next level of
01:07:15.080 pornography is going to be AI porn, uh, these systems that we don't have much control over,
01:07:21.240 just like the way my TV likes to go off right when I'm in the middle of monologuing.
01:07:24.920 Uh, but essentially that the viewing of this corrupts you regardless of whether or not people
01:07:30.200 are in the, other people are involved in the creation or in the act of the pornography.
01:07:35.240 And here's why, because you are giving in your immortal soul to the temptations of the flesh.
01:07:41.140 Uh, you are all sin originate in the mind.
01:07:44.900 And so the, and, and furthermore, not only are you giving into these carnal base urges,
01:07:50.600 but at the same time, you are going to start seeking out more and more of them. 0.51
01:07:55.400 This is what puts you on a path to actual child porn, by the way, that would have been my response
01:08:00.640 by where I, in this situation.
01:08:02.420 Well, and then the, the, the Aquinas host, the Aquinas, yeah, Jack, you've, you've gone into
01:08:06.780 the, the sixth layer of health.
01:08:08.120 I'm in the, I'm in the twilight zone here.
01:08:10.440 You're, you're, you're in Dante.
01:08:11.860 That's where you'll go if you look at too much of it.
01:08:14.020 Yeah.
01:08:14.340 And so I just want to make sure that people understand Dennis's position.
01:08:18.800 The key point, because there was this long layer up where Dennis says, look, I do not
01:08:23.020 like video pornography.
01:08:24.340 I don't justify it.
01:08:25.960 He does think that images of naked women is acceptable.
01:08:29.920 That's a separate issue.
01:08:30.660 I don't agree with him at all on that, but there was this question of child predators.
01:08:34.000 And what Dennis said is that I would rather have a pedophile watch animated child pornography
01:08:40.760 that does not include a victim than to act on a child.
01:08:44.980 So that's a very layered conversation.
01:08:46.880 It's very nuanced.
01:08:48.740 And, but then it got into the question of, is it evil?
01:08:51.500 The Catholic and or evangelical position, they would agree is that it is ugly and evil,
01:08:55.880 regardless of whether or not somebody acts on it.
01:08:58.580 A thing does not cease to be ugly or evil, whether or not someone looks at it.
01:09:02.120 Blake, what are your thoughts?
01:09:03.000 I mean, I think that has to be the take on it, which is like, it's bad.
01:09:06.400 Yes, it's bad because it exploits people, but it's also bad for its own sake, because
01:09:10.500 for its own sake, it makes you a worse person to do it.
01:09:12.840 You are now a person who is, you know, using essentially child pornography.
01:09:17.300 That is, that is making you a worse person, regardless of what you do out outside in the 0.68
01:09:22.200 outer world.
01:09:22.760 Even if the relationship that often has is an indicator of how it does make you a worse.
01:09:27.760 Well, and in some ways, Dennis is being very precise with his language, because he would
01:09:33.760 say that it was ugly.
01:09:35.260 He would say that it's profane.
01:09:37.180 But he stopped short of evil, because in a very strict Jewish reading of the Torah, evil 0.93
01:09:43.180 only involves victims.
01:09:45.220 Meaning that if you think something or you're internal, that it's not evil until you act
01:09:49.580 upon it.
01:09:50.060 Which is very different from, again, Christian theology, you know, again, Philippians 4,
01:09:56.360 8, which everybody knows and has heard before.
01:10:00.300 Whatsoever things are true, honest, you know, just, pure, lovely.
01:10:04.600 Think on these things.
01:10:05.360 Good report.
01:10:06.800 We, of any praise, we think of these things, right?
01:10:09.940 So that's, that's, and that's the good thing to separate between, again, our good friend,
01:10:15.980 Dennis, who's not Christian, correct, versus Christians, is most Christians would find 0.99
01:10:20.760 that absolutely horrific, even going down that pathway of that conversation.
01:10:24.740 Yes.
01:10:24.940 And I've sat on an entire plane ride.
01:10:26.520 We've sat on a plane ride.
01:10:27.240 We had a disagreement with him.
01:10:28.420 Actually talking about this, right?
01:10:29.640 Because we had a Catholic, evangelical, a Mormon, and a Jew.
01:10:32.980 We won't say who, but yeah.
01:10:34.560 Yeah, all four sitting around the, and we had a conversation about this subject matter,
01:10:40.280 and we just disagree, right?
01:10:42.680 And what they did talk about in this podcast, which is important, is that there are gradations
01:10:48.360 of sin.
01:10:49.280 So Jack, as a Catholic, you would agree that the action is obviously worse than the thought,
01:10:54.380 but it does not make that the thought is not evil itself, especially if you engage in the
01:11:00.580 thought.
01:11:01.020 And that is where Dennis could, where I would have pushed back the most is, it's, if you
01:11:07.020 have a random weird thought, God's not going to judge you on it.
01:11:09.960 But then engaging in animated child pornography is pushing energy, focus into the evil thing,
01:11:17.680 which then, as you said, Jack, grows an attachment towards that evil thing.
01:11:21.920 Right.
01:11:22.480 So what you're doing is you're, you're moving that into, because that, that, what you're
01:11:27.000 calling a random, erratic thought, an errant thought, those are temptation.
01:11:31.920 Those are temptations that are sent constantly, that we're, we're faced with constantly.
01:11:36.520 They arise constantly.
01:11:38.080 You can reject temptation, or then you can give into temptation.
01:11:42.280 So there is, there's this much longer piece, you know, where Dennis says, well, what about,
01:11:47.020 you know, what if you walk by at like a Victoria's Secret at the mall, or you, you know, somebody
01:11:51.120 leaves a lingerie catalog out or something like that.
01:11:53.720 And you start to think impure thoughts, is that covetous?
01:11:56.780 And then he starts kind of getting into the, you know, the nature of the, of the word and
01:12:00.200 the etymology, et cetera.
01:12:01.280 Got it.
01:12:01.700 Right.
01:12:02.440 But, you know, I, I like the way that you put it out, Charlie, and you and I were, were
01:12:06.060 texting about this when first, you know, when it first crossed everyone's radar, when it
01:12:08.940 was going viral, um, that kind of, kind of led to this, uh, discussion today where I really
01:12:13.740 liked the way you put it because it, there, there are three sets here, right?
01:12:17.780 There's three sets it's, it's thought, but then action.
01:12:21.700 But you pointed out, Charlie, there's a million, a medium ground that I want to give it to you.
01:12:26.200 What is that middle ground between thought and act?
01:12:28.700 This is actually, I've come up with this myself after dealing with it.
01:12:31.920 Cause I don't think thoughts are nearly as bad as actions, but thoughts can be bad, which
01:12:34.880 is attitudes.
01:12:35.880 So I think attitudes are the, the, the, the, the middle.
01:12:39.780 So you have, you have independent private thoughts and then you have attitudes, which
01:12:43.860 you assume, and then you have stated actions, right?
01:12:47.400 Attitudes are not like a habitual.
01:12:49.700 Yes, that's right.
01:12:50.580 A habitual thought, a habitual attitude.
01:12:54.060 Thought in you exactly, or something you dwell on, which Tyler beautifully said, Philippians
01:12:59.540 four, eight is saying, think on these things.
01:13:01.380 This is what your attitude should be.
01:13:03.440 True things, honorable things, right things, pure things, lovely things, good things.
01:13:08.760 If they're excellent or praiseworthy, dwell on them, marinate on them. 0.99
01:13:13.140 And so, you know, looking and masturbating to like animated child porn, which is despicable. 0.99
01:13:19.260 I hate even saying it, honestly. 0.99
01:13:20.360 It's like, so beyond AI, it'll be AI.
01:13:22.400 Yeah, but, but it, it, it is evil because look in Aristotle would say a thing is good
01:13:27.940 for its own sake and therefore something is evil for its own sake, right?
01:13:31.800 You could get better or worse if you engage with the thing.
01:13:35.600 I want to replay the clip though, because some people are asking about it and I want to make
01:13:39.380 sure this, cause it happens really fast.
01:13:41.200 Understand the pretext and the context that they're agreeing, agreeing, agreeing, agreeing.
01:13:45.120 And it's this question of, is it evil?
01:13:46.820 So it's semantics and Dennis is not justifying it.
01:13:49.900 Just understand, I have to defend Dennis here because it's a little unfair the way this
01:13:53.000 has been cut.
01:13:54.040 Dennis is saying it is better for a pedophile to watch animated child pornography than to
01:14:00.400 go after kids.
01:14:02.420 That is not a hill I would die on.
01:14:04.140 Let me just put it that way.
01:14:05.180 It's all bad. 1.00
01:14:06.060 It's all trash. 1.00
01:14:07.020 It's all venom. 1.00
01:14:08.040 It's, it's all despicable.
01:14:09.800 Let's play cut 110 again, please.
01:14:11.600 Would you, would you use the word evil of animated child pornography?
01:14:14.620 No, I would use evil only with behavior.
01:14:18.400 That's where we might differ from forgetting the sex issue.
01:14:21.440 You can't be evil.
01:14:23.260 You didn't do evil.
01:14:24.280 If you thought evil, you did evil. 0.91
01:14:26.040 If I'm masturbating to animated pictures of pornography, I'm not doing something evil. 0.92
01:14:29.060 That's correct. 0.95
01:14:29.780 Yeah.
01:14:29.880 I think that's, I think that's despicable.
01:14:33.500 I agree.
01:14:34.220 I agree with the host.
01:14:35.360 It is despicable.
01:14:36.560 Well, I'll tell you what I think.
01:14:38.400 And then I'll tell you my theology.
01:14:39.740 It's a choice I was raised religiously was that thoughts always precede actions.
01:14:44.400 And so that's the reason why thoughts matter so much is there's not a single actions ever
01:14:48.680 been taken for the most part that is, you know, evil.
01:14:53.520 That's truly evil without a thought proceeding.
01:14:56.280 That is, that is, I actually think that it's the opposite.
01:14:58.420 I think that actions that are bad, that actually had no thought to them would probably be more
01:15:03.420 forgivable than the ones that have thoughts.
01:15:05.720 But like road rage, where you just kind of get out of control.
01:15:08.880 I was just going to bring up road rage.
01:15:10.120 I was literally just going to bring up.
01:15:11.260 Or your brain just like snaps, right? 1.00
01:15:12.800 And you do something stupid. 1.00
01:15:13.580 No, like road rage where you just like punch somebody you don't even think about. 1.00
01:15:14.860 Accent like that.
01:15:16.080 No, I completely agree.
01:15:17.680 And that's, and so this comes back to me, like sin to me has always been, this has always
01:15:22.420 just been something I love, is it's just distraction.
01:15:25.160 So like, to me, I think that, you know, the greater eternal perspective of how we live
01:15:30.380 our lives is the difference between sin.
01:15:32.880 And I think this goes back to this conversation with, with Dennis, which was, I think part of
01:15:37.420 his argument is that there's so little difference in the great eternal spectrum of our, our
01:15:42.600 mortal sin that it's just like, yeah, I just like, there's no difference, right?
01:15:46.620 Like, there's just a, like, to me, it's like, there's a big difference in the action.
01:15:50.180 Like, yeah, like on Catholic, I'm not Catholic.
01:15:55.400 Are we allowed to open it up?
01:15:57.040 Immortality.
01:15:58.480 But I was just going to say, this is just real quickly.
01:16:00.360 It's just like, I think to me, the greatest part I think that the devil wants us to do
01:16:05.340 is to be distracted and confused and to waste time because your time is precious on this
01:16:11.020 earth.
01:16:11.180 The most precious time that you have on this earth, if you believe in a post-life, afterlife,
01:16:16.300 whatever, right?
01:16:17.320 Is that in heaven and that and the doctrine of heaven is that if you waste time here, anytime
01:16:22.700 that you waste here, you are not doing good and you're not serving the kingdom.
01:16:26.640 You're not serving God, you're not serving your brethren, you're not serving your family
01:16:30.580 and you're not learning.
01:16:32.160 And I think learning is like the greatest thing that you can do while on this earth and
01:16:37.540 sin prevents you from doing that.
01:16:39.600 So that's why, to me, thoughts like your thoughts are going to occupy your time.
01:16:44.360 They're going to occupy your consciousness.
01:16:45.860 They're going to occupy your, they're going to distract you.
01:16:49.420 And that's what, that's what, I think that's what this, that's what Lucifer wants.
01:16:53.000 That's what Satan wants.
01:16:53.620 So the, the con, so just to further build out Dennis's position on pornography, just
01:17:00.080 because I think that's actually important, which is, I disagree with him on this, but
01:17:05.560 I just want to make sure everyone knows his position where he will come.
01:17:08.440 And he talked about this, right, Jack, in the pints with Aquinas, his father, right?
01:17:11.740 His father was an Orthodox Jew who also was a Playboy subscriber, right?
01:17:16.780 And he, so that was the context of his.
01:17:19.240 But they were in the house.
01:17:19.760 Like, yeah, yeah, and that there is really, there was nothing necessarily, he was raised
01:17:25.640 to believe urination and masturbation were basically the same thing, okay?
01:17:29.800 And that, and I don't hold that belief.
01:17:32.660 And I hope.
01:17:34.220 They have a great debate on that, by the way, in, in the longer episode.
01:17:37.080 Yeah, they do.
01:17:37.760 Yeah.
01:17:38.140 So, and anyway, so that's, he, he believes that, that for, that male sexuality needs to
01:17:45.540 have pressure releases.
01:17:46.640 And if they are not given pressure releases where there is no necessary victim, then they're
01:17:53.940 going to commit adultery and they're going to do all these other different things.
01:17:57.960 In a very strict Catholic, because I'm just going to use Jack, the host was Catholic.
01:18:01.540 He said, no, no, no, that's not, that's not honorable.
01:18:04.340 That's not acceptable at all.
01:18:06.320 Right.
01:18:07.020 In fact, you call it moral relativism.
01:18:09.100 Yes.
01:18:09.380 Moral relativism.
01:18:10.480 Now, what Prager would say as well, would you agree that play, looking at playboy is
01:18:16.920 not as bad as adultery?
01:18:18.420 Of course that no one's making that argument.
01:18:20.300 There are gradations of sin, right? 0.97
01:18:22.620 Cheating on your wife is worse than pornography.
01:18:25.720 That does not make pornography beautiful or good or virtuous or desirable.
01:18:31.040 And what the biggest pushback that Prager receives is that it feels as if he is beginning to justify
01:18:39.400 the consumption of pornography.
01:18:41.600 Is that fair to say, Jack?
01:18:42.860 Is that the biggest pushback that he, what you tell me, what is the internet chatter around
01:18:46.060 this?
01:18:46.380 I'm curious.
01:18:46.660 Pornography, but, but even, even because that there's a longer discussion where he talks
01:18:51.340 about pornography that I haven't necessarily seen gone viral, but because I went back and
01:18:55.140 watched the episode, I saw it, um, where he does talk about justifications for pornography
01:18:59.920 within the confines of marriage, where essentially he's saying, well, if you know, if, if, if you've
01:19:06.320 lost the spark and you need something to help you out, then Hey, pornography is great.
01:19:10.100 And, um, and you're watching it together, commits to a communal act, et cetera, et cetera.
01:19:16.840 By the way, I know that my parents are watching this as I'm talking about it, probably my wife
01:19:20.600 too, but, um, the, at the same time it, it, it, he's saying that it's still good.
01:19:25.540 And, and we're met basically just disagrees completely with him in that sense, because
01:19:30.280 it still feels, I believe, and I think everyone knows that it's still a form of engaging
01:19:35.280 with pornography at that point.
01:19:37.880 And, uh, though, Charlie, there, there's another point that I want to, that I would like to
01:19:42.380 ask you that I think you'd be able to describe this better because I didn't quite pick it
01:19:45.860 up.
01:19:46.060 They were, you know, in the middle of a debate there.
01:19:48.140 Um, but he says, well, he brings up that question of the thought crime, right?
01:19:52.500 The thought crime, which is in the 10 commandments about of it.
01:19:56.280 And this idea of now it's neighbor's wife, neighbor's goods. 0.99
01:19:59.800 Obviously in this case, we're talking about neighbor's wife.
01:20:01.540 Uh, and so I think most people would think of covet, um, in, in synonymous with desire,
01:20:09.780 wish for yearn for, uh, these, these types of, of synonyms, but, but Dennis had a different
01:20:15.120 sense where he said, no, it it's when you, it's when you make plans to go and commit that
01:20:22.060 action.
01:20:22.680 And I, I didn't quite follow what he was saying.
01:20:25.780 Yeah.
01:20:26.400 So this is hotly debated in a lot of rabbinical circles.
01:20:29.860 I actually don't think this is that complicated because there are other old Testament scriptures
01:20:35.100 in the Tanakh, which we would just call the old Testament, Jack, you guys have a couple
01:20:38.780 extra books, but in the traditional old Testament, the ones that the Jews believe are divinely
01:20:46.240 inspired is what we evangelicals read.
01:20:48.200 You guys have different version.
01:20:49.400 That's fine.
01:20:50.260 Okay.
01:20:50.780 We just have to go with what Jesus had.
01:20:52.720 Yeah.
01:20:53.040 So the, Jesus did not believe that Maccabees was divinely inspired.
01:20:57.740 And that's a separate issue.
01:20:58.540 We'll have that conversation later.
01:20:59.960 So the, there's other verses in Proverbs and Isaiah that talk about how your thoughts
01:21:06.960 and your heart, here's a great, let me prove it to you.
01:21:09.500 Okay.
01:21:09.920 So in Genesis five, when God goes down to basically say, we have to have a flood, it wasn't just
01:21:16.780 the actions of the people.
01:21:18.620 It was that their hearts were darkened.
01:21:22.720 And that's amazing.
01:21:24.060 When you think about it, it was, God was like, they're so beyond redemption that their entire
01:21:28.900 hearts were darkened.
01:21:30.260 It's like Genesis five or Genesis six.
01:21:31.600 I'll find it.
01:21:32.780 And so to covet is to, I think, I think the attitude is the best explanation, Jack.
01:21:41.440 It's that I am going to assume an identity, energy.
01:21:47.000 I am going to put forward a plan.
01:21:50.420 And there is a great question.
01:21:52.080 In fact, there's a great article that I encourage you guys to read.
01:21:54.620 It's written by rabbis is coveting a feeling, or is it an action?
01:22:00.120 I actually think it's an attitude.
01:22:02.340 I think it's something in between.
01:22:03.800 That's where your, your heuristic comes into play because it, it, it's not a binary that
01:22:08.740 there is that sort of third level.
01:22:10.240 But then also, I guess my response to that would be then, if you're saying that that's
01:22:14.880 the nature of covetousness, then wouldn't engaging in this type of, uh, this type of
01:22:21.900 content, this type of material be by its own nature, then also coveted.
01:22:26.820 Yes.
01:22:27.200 And so let's play a couple of pieces of tape here and let Dennis's words speak for himself.
01:22:31.460 Play cut one 31, please.
01:22:33.260 I am not advocative of watching sexual behavior, but I want to know what you mean by the word
01:22:38.200 behavior.
01:22:38.640 Cause if I'm going to say it's sexual, sexual activity between two people.
01:22:42.500 Okay.
01:22:42.780 So even a photograph in playboy of two people engaging in it, but there weren't such when
01:22:47.220 I, that's what you were opposed to that, but you're okay with a man looking at one naked
01:22:51.340 woman, let's say. 1.00
01:22:52.180 Yes.
01:22:52.420 Or, or they weren't even naked then they were covered in, in put in their privates, right?
01:22:57.120 But, but you're opposed to them looking at anything that might be arousing.
01:23:00.680 You're what if a woman is wearing a regular, uh, what if a man is turned on, which every 0.90
01:23:06.340 man is by an attractive woman in, in a nice dress, that's a turn on. 0.99
01:23:10.460 So no, no, no, please answer.
01:23:11.760 I'll know.
01:23:12.060 So is that bad?
01:23:13.200 But in another sense, if I'm looking at a lingerie catalog with the intention of lusting that
01:23:18.100 that wouldn't be okay.
01:23:19.060 What if I'm looking at the lingerie catalog with the intention of getting my wife lingerie?
01:23:23.680 I think the intention does matter.
01:23:25.380 Yeah.
01:23:26.300 I agree.
01:23:27.120 I think the intention does matter.
01:23:28.540 Yeah.
01:23:28.640 There's no good intent to AI generated child porn.
01:23:31.760 There's no, that's what, that's what, that's what makes it so profane and ugly because there's
01:23:38.380 not a single redeeming quality for its existence.
01:23:42.640 And therefore it is, it is ugly. 0.66
01:23:44.760 It is, it is terrible.
01:23:46.600 We are.
01:23:46.920 Well, this is why the, his city, I'm sorry.
01:23:48.340 Do we have any libertarians in the comments right now, by the way?
01:23:50.840 Yeah, it just occurred to me, we'll get to them with the deep web reveal soon enough.
01:23:55.220 Yeah, we're running out of time.
01:23:56.320 Actually, yeah, actually, Blake, you could probably pull that up because those would be
01:23:59.260 the, the, who I'm talking about.
01:24:02.100 In one moment, I just want to foreshadow that we are headed towards a very light, a very dark
01:24:07.920 time.
01:24:08.260 And I'm not sure people fully grasp how messed up it's going to be.
01:24:12.040 Like, yeah, we have the discussion about, yeah, they'll say AI generated porn.
01:24:15.760 Okay.
01:24:16.660 But that doesn't just mean like, oh, you can, you know, randomly generate stuff.
01:24:19.700 What it means is like, you could literally like download every single photo of a kid
01:24:25.120 off an Instagram and plug it into a generator and say, manufacture this.
01:24:29.160 Or it doesn't have to be kids, of course.
01:24:30.800 It's just like, take every single photo of your high school crush.
01:24:33.220 Take every single photo of your college ex-girlfriend, anyone, and plug it in.
01:24:38.540 And you can have an AI generate a relatively, like already the tech marginally exists for
01:24:43.660 this.
01:24:44.200 Now imagine where it will be in two years, five years, 10 years, 50 years.
01:24:47.760 And, you know, you get these fricking VR helmets that they have and they can put on.
01:24:52.320 And like the amount of technology, if we, if you don't just take a hard line and say
01:24:57.700 like, porn is bad.
01:24:58.900 Yes. 0.99
01:24:59.260 It's just, it's just going to blow out people's brains.
01:25:01.620 We cannot, there is no nuance with this topic right now.
01:25:05.140 And that's where I'm at, which is like, it's so toxic.
01:25:07.700 The walls fall off.
01:25:09.040 You fall off the cliff instantaneously.
01:25:11.160 Like that has to be the position.
01:25:12.860 It's not like, well, maybe if you do it, nope, hard stop.
01:25:16.660 Okay.
01:25:17.420 Let's get a deep web reveal because we're running out of time.
01:25:19.160 So the deep web reveal is, you know, Charlie, we've had our discussion about, you know,
01:25:22.800 pornography on the show the last few days.
01:25:24.460 The last 30 minutes.
01:25:25.780 You know, the, but on the show also.
01:25:27.960 Is this the time where you guys embarrass me?
01:25:29.220 Well, no.
01:25:29.680 The show where we had the, the Louisiana law that was, you know, successfully curbing
01:25:34.220 Pornhub traffic and we were getting some emails and people were really, were really angry.
01:25:38.900 Like, grr, don't, don't come after this.
01:25:41.740 I have totally libertarian reasons for opposing this.
01:25:44.040 We did receive a couple hundred.
01:25:45.700 We have pro porn libertarians that listen to the Charlie, many, many such cases.
01:25:50.720 And now we have a meme that describes these people and the, uh, the term for them is
01:25:55.920 Coomers and we were going to have the image and it's going to pop up here, please.
01:26:01.540 Do we, did you, did we get that Ryan?
01:26:02.900 And wait, no, we're not actually going to wait, wait, you're not actually going to
01:26:05.220 show the, wait, hold on.
01:26:06.460 We're not going to show the whole meme, but we can show the little image that I sent Ryan.
01:26:10.060 What?
01:26:10.760 We can totally do it.
01:26:11.560 We can totally do it.
01:26:12.100 It's not bad.
01:26:12.900 Uh, but it's, it's a label.
01:26:14.180 It's a meme.
01:26:14.700 Oh, there we go.
01:26:15.660 Yeah.
01:26:15.840 So we got that.
01:26:16.600 So this is your typical Reddit user, your typical libertarian who's sending emails to
01:26:20.640 the Charlie Kirk show.
01:26:21.620 He's got bloodshot eyes.
01:26:23.200 He tragically kind of has the exact same facial hair that I do.
01:26:26.340 I was going to say, I disavow.
01:26:27.600 I disavow.
01:26:28.560 No, stop it.
01:26:30.060 Stop it.
01:26:30.720 Is it, was that intentional?
01:26:31.920 No, no.
01:26:32.900 This is, uh, I'm going to have to listen to my friend and shave this.
01:26:35.840 I'll, I can't, is that, so the deep web reveal is a sketch of you.
01:26:39.320 No, no.
01:26:43.460 Anyway, anyway, it is a, it is, uh, yeah.
01:26:47.180 So it represents the, uh, typical Reddit user whose life, uh, to a surprisingly deep degree
01:26:52.480 revolves around, uh, their access to, uh, pornography AI generated or not gets very angry about AI laws.
01:26:59.140 And, uh, it's a surprisingly central part of their existence.
01:27:03.040 Maybe I should not say surprisingly, because when you encounter them online or even worse
01:27:08.220 in real life, it gets really bad.
01:27:10.560 When I was in, uh, I used to work at the Daily Caller and I went to cover to Bernie Sanders
01:27:14.420 rally.
01:27:14.820 And there was a man walking around the Bernie Sanders rally who was about, I would guess
01:27:19.720 40, 45.
01:27:21.200 And he just had a shirt on.
01:27:23.340 It was just plain white with red letters.
01:27:25.640 And it said on it, Massachusetts, this is in Massachusetts, Massachusetts should legalize
01:27:30.080 prostitution.
01:27:31.480 That's all it said. 0.91
01:27:32.880 And it's like, that's, that's your issue.
01:27:34.940 And he's like, yes, that is my issue.
01:27:36.900 And he was all in for the Bernie bros.
01:27:39.260 And I'm sure he, he would be an excellent Coomer.
01:27:41.560 So then do we say, okay, Coomer?
01:27:45.740 Yes, we could.
01:27:46.580 Yeah.
01:27:46.780 I think it comes from that.
01:27:47.580 It comes from boomer means like it come boomers, groomers, Coomers, zoomers, doomers.
01:27:54.180 Everyone has humor at the end of it.
01:27:56.720 I feel like it looks like Dave Portnoy.
01:27:58.240 Does anyone else think it looks like Dave Portnoy of Barstool?
01:28:02.240 That doesn't look like Dave.
01:28:03.860 I'm, I endorse, I endorse.
01:28:05.520 Now it looks like Dave Portnoy.
01:28:08.340 Yeah.
01:28:08.760 Blake just set himself up.
01:28:11.560 I, I, I didn't set myself up.
01:28:14.320 I sacrificed my dignity for the sake of content.
01:28:18.380 Yeah.
01:28:18.860 That's my commitment to this program.
01:28:20.220 That's the commitment.
01:28:20.920 Have we ever seen both you and that sketch in the same place?
01:28:23.620 But on this show, apparently they were just right next to each other.
01:28:28.000 You're saying that we're all right.
01:28:30.800 Jack, final thoughts.
01:28:31.840 That was a lively one.
01:28:35.160 What is a Boomer?
01:28:36.900 The problem is Charlie, you know, when he, when it really comes down to it, that you've
01:28:40.740 got so much accessibility to this these days, AI is here now.
01:28:46.120 Video AI is probably going on at this very moment.
01:28:48.660 At the same time, um, you are going to have the ability.
01:28:53.460 Imagine once you get neural link involved with this type of thing, imagine when you have memories
01:28:58.260 that are able to be recorded and then shared and uploaded on the internet.
01:29:01.800 People running around Thailand, running around Phuket and, uh, uploading things to a vast
01:29:06.540 neural network.
01:29:07.420 I think it is literally going to drive people insane at some point.
01:29:12.140 And, uh, look, you know, growing up with, uh, some playboys around the house is one thing
01:29:17.940 from a long time ago, but it isn't like that anymore.
01:29:20.180 What parents or anybody out there needs to understand.
01:29:22.340 And so parents, number one, you gotta understand it's in your house already because it's on
01:29:25.360 every phone, right?
01:29:26.380 It's instantly accessible.
01:29:27.840 And for anyone out there that's, that's listening to this, it, it's not the way to run your life,
01:29:32.280 right?
01:29:32.680 You're going to be chasing that dopamine.
01:29:34.060 You're going to be chasing those highs.
01:29:35.420 You're going to be chasing that as opposed to actually chasing a meaningful relationship
01:29:39.620 with your spouse or your significant other.
01:29:42.020 You know, you could follow a good example from a future us president who was interviewed on
01:29:46.740 the Howard Stern show.
01:29:47.740 And he was asked, uh, how frequently he engaged in that activity.
01:29:51.340 And he said, I was never into that world, right?
01:29:56.420 He was never into that world.
01:29:57.700 Don't get into that world.
01:29:58.700 It's a dark world.
01:30:00.260 I'll do it folks.
01:30:02.740 Final thoughts, Tyler Boyer.
01:30:05.500 I am disavowing all, you know, all of the conversation on very publicly on approving of any kind of child
01:30:15.880 porn.
01:30:17.880 I don't think that that should ever happen.
01:30:18.660 And I want, that's a bold statement, right?
01:30:22.000 It's a bold statement where we're at stunning and brave, but going back, I think that we have
01:30:25.720 a big week ahead of us here with, it's going to be very interesting to see what happens
01:30:28.940 between Iowa and the Milwaukee debates that we have in two weeks.
01:30:33.160 So everyone should stay tuned, buckle up.
01:30:35.800 It's going to be, are you going to Milwaukee?
01:30:36.800 Are you going to be Milwaukee?
01:30:37.600 I don't have a choice.
01:30:38.780 Oh, you have to.
01:30:39.380 Is it roll call?
01:30:40.060 It's the RNC meeting.
01:30:41.660 It's two weeks.
01:30:42.140 Yep.
01:30:42.260 So I do not envy you.
01:30:44.280 Blake, what's up?
01:30:46.580 Any final thoughts?
01:30:47.620 No, I've, I've been distracted.
01:30:50.140 You, you've, you've, you've sufficiently sunk your reputation.
01:30:52.980 I, I'm just, we're, we're a burning ship, sinking ship.
01:30:56.660 Blake is a fan favorite.
01:30:58.380 I'll tell you what.
01:30:59.160 All right, everybody.
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