Join Jack Posobiec, Andrew, Blake, and Tyler as they discuss the latest on the Epstein scandal and the possibility of a special prosecutor being brought in to investigate the matter. Also, Charlie Kirk has been taken out of the show because he committed so many thought crimes that he has been put into "thought crime time out".
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00:00:21.500Alright folks, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.
00:00:27.880We're doing things a little bit different this week.
00:00:31.140Of course, today, Thought Crime Thursday came early because we're all committing thought crimes apparently all the time.
00:00:38.980And unfortunately, Charlie Kirk committed so many thought crimes that he has been put in thought crime time out.
00:00:47.500So, unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, depending on your outlook, you are here and you have to deal with the rest of the Thought Crime crew.
00:00:58.360So, we've got all the rest of the four of us here.
00:01:00.980We've got myself, Jack Posobiec, we've got producer Andrew, and we've got Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer.
00:01:33.020And then, you know, one day a bunch of us get invited to the White House and we get told that there's going to be a phased release.
00:01:39.180And then we get told there is no release, et cetera, et cetera.
00:01:42.620That's kind of where things are at, though, interestingly enough.
00:01:46.200And so, as we are live right now, and there is an interview that was prerecorded between President Trump and John Solomon that's going to come out later.
00:01:56.600I think in about two hours time from where we are right now.
00:01:59.300And in that, President Trump, and I've spoken to John Solomon about this, that President Trump is going to come out and embrace a special prosecutor, not just for sort of the Russiagate stuff and the various hoaxes related to that, but also one that he wants to have on Epstein.
00:02:19.820And this is something that is going to come out in just a few hours.
00:02:23.100So, one special prosecutor for really looking into all of this stuff that goes back, you know, even probably before 2016.
00:02:42.960I mean, a lot of stuff has happened over the last few days.
00:02:45.900It's been escalating and kind of what's, you know, you can see below the subhead, the Epstein hoax.
00:02:52.380And that is the label that has currently been given to the entire story by the President of the United States himself.
00:02:58.860He said on Truth Social this morning, he says it is the Epstein hoax.
00:03:03.420And he says it's in a lineage with the Russia hoax, the Hunter Biden hoax, or really the Hunter Biden narrative that it was a hoax or double hoaxes within hoaxes here.
00:03:14.460But he basically says it's into this whole stream on, you know, Jack Smith stuff.
00:03:20.420And that the Epstein case is one of these things.
00:03:22.820And he actually says, if you are a supporter of mine, you will reject all of this and stop talking about it and have it all go away.
00:03:31.500I think we can all say, having talked to various members of the base, there are certainly a lot of people who are not going to let this go away.
00:03:38.980I do think that it is probably an issue that resonates the most with highly online, highly engaged, like people who are really wrapped up in the media narrative of things.
00:03:51.940I don't think it matters as much to probably, like, I don't imagine my parents are closely following this, for example.
00:03:58.940And, you know, they're big Trump supporters, of course.
00:04:00.540But I do think more people care about it than, you know, the president said in his truth post.
00:04:08.200Hey, Blake, do you think, do you think actually, let me throw that out.
00:04:11.960Is this one of those issues as well, where it's sort of, there's a split, and I'll open this up for everyone, where there's sort of a split based on where you get your news from, where your primary source of news is?
00:04:22.560So for people who are on social media, people who are tracking that, you know, this is a huge issue.
00:04:28.400This has obviously been dominating, what, like almost the, has it been two weeks?
00:04:33.060I think it's almost been two weeks since the, that memo came out on the 4th of July weekend, or I guess a week and a half at this point.
00:04:40.340And, and in a way that it's just not really penetrated until just now, cable news.
00:04:53.220So, I mean, there's somebody who interacts with the media as part of my day job.
00:04:58.060Um, they basically told me that there was no there there, and so they're not going to ask a question about something that they consider to be a conspiracy theory.
00:05:06.140But they quickly betrayed the pat answer that I was receiving when they saw that MAGA and the base was upset about this issue and they wanted more transparency and answers.
00:05:17.300So they are giddily covering the fact that there is discontent in the MAGA base and that Trump is at odds with his base or whatever.
00:05:26.420So the, so the, while they won't cover the actual substance of the story to any degree, they will cover that there is a split between the base and the president seemingly tonally at the top.
00:05:40.340Yeah, it seems like that's the story that's built on the story.
00:05:43.300So it's now it's more of a story talking about the infighting than it is about actually the substance like Andrew's alluding to with Epstein.
00:05:52.020Epstein, but I thought it was really interesting.
00:05:54.320I think CNN came out with a poll that said like 97% of Americans care about Epstein.
00:05:58.700So they say that I think I'm going to, so this is going to be the hour where I just make all the people watching really angry because, well, you know, I'm going to be what blue pill, Blake.
00:06:09.280Is that, is that what I'm going to be this time?
00:06:11.920Like if you were, if you were an ancient King, you would have been Blake, the contrarian, something like that.
00:06:16.400Well, I do want to hear an ancient King, maybe like before reincarnate, before we dig into that, you know, let's, let's, so this, this Quinnipiac poll just dropped and I think we're all looking at it right now.
00:06:27.920It says 63% of voters disapprove of the Trump administration's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
00:06:34.580Quinnipiac University national poll finds nearly half of voters would consider joining a third party, not just one created by Moscow.
00:06:43.280And it said only 17% of voters say that they approve of the way Trump is handling his, the Epstein files.
00:06:53.280And there's a, there's just a comment from the analyst and he says, Epstein has been dead and gone for years, but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him.
00:07:08.020It also gets into Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino and Kash Patel.
00:07:29.200Obviously I disapprove of the handling of it, but because in the way that I've been wrapped up in all of this and the way that the focus has become on binders and influencers and meetings and all this nonsense,
00:07:41.320rather than actually getting to the facts.
00:07:43.960But Blake, what, what is your sense of all this and has the handling of this been what's riled this up?
00:07:49.140Yeah. So let's go back to what the original assertion is in the, you know, leaked memo and in subsequent statements.
00:07:57.580It's the statement is basically Epstein did kill himself.
00:08:05.060There's no file of like who he was blackmailing.
00:08:07.720And basically we don't have additional crimes we can prosecute.
00:08:11.480All we have is the stuff that was committed by Epstein and by Maxwell, which like they had, they had illegal, you know, child videos, but it was just normal.
00:08:41.700Uh, and I think where they aired is that they didn't appreciate that this was going to, for lack of a better term, like it's going to disappoint people.
00:08:52.640There's a good portion of people out there, especially the ones who follow it most avidly, who they really believe that there is like, there is something to the Epstein story that could be exposed, that there are important individuals, whether in intelligence or in finance or in politics, Hollywood, who were involved in this sort of like sorted elite sex ring.
00:09:20.080And they were either just enthusiastic participants or they were kind of entrapped and then blackmailed by Epstein.
00:09:25.580And there's something that could be revealed here and that it's not being revealed as sort of emblematic of like how powerful people can be protected in America.
00:09:33.120So I'll just go with, let's assume that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi and the president, of course, are all correct and telling the truth.
00:09:41.560And I think we generally do trust these people, uh, that there actually isn't anything to this.
00:09:47.080They had to appreciate this was going to disappoint people and sort of let them down easily.
00:09:52.940And the way you do that is you have to kind of come in and say, all right, guys, we're going to lay it all out for you here.
00:10:28.800And you do your best to come out with maximal transparency.
00:10:33.020Where the misfire happened on this was dump it on Sunday night saying, this is nothing, don't ask us about it, and getting angry when people ask about it.
00:10:42.780That is, to the people who care about this, that is the polar opposite of what you want to do.
00:10:48.480That is essentially aggressively shouting like you have something to hide, even if you don't.
00:10:53.900And it's just, it's a pure strategy thing here.
00:10:57.180You should have handled this in terms of communication strategy differently if you wanted to make sure people wouldn't get upset about it.
00:11:06.980Yeah, I think the problem that most people I'm seeing have with everything is, again, this is similar to the way that the media is handling it, is the way that the administration is handling it, and then the rings that are around the administration.
00:11:19.980So, right now, you kind of have laid out the situation where it's, you know, there's clearly something there that the general public doesn't know about.
00:11:30.020So, like, let's start from the baseline position, and I don't know where Jack wants to jump in on this, but there is a nucleus of information that exists with Epstein that people don't know about.
00:11:42.620And the fact that everybody doesn't know about it, and the jump to conclusions is like, well, there's a bunch of fake stuff, and there's a bunch of things that are hoaxes, and there's a bunch of, there's hoaxes on hoaxes, right?
00:11:54.360So, I think that's what's bothering people so much.
00:11:56.020It's like, well, okay, well, explain what the heck is going on then if there are problems that exist, right?
00:12:02.660Because that's not the way that it's been framed this entire time, and everyone from the president to people within the administration to the rings, again, around the president, because there's layers to the president.
00:12:15.720There are, you know, people who have supported the president.
00:12:19.700There are people who work in the administration, people outside the administration who have all said the same things for many years now.
00:12:24.900And there just needs to be a really strongly curated PR layout of absolutely everything, what is accessible, what's not accessible, why, what did happen, what didn't happen, why they think it is, right?
00:12:39.920And the president's team could do that, right?
00:12:42.620They could come out and say, here are all the things that we thought were true that we don't know or are not because this is what we have access to now.
00:12:51.460I think that's probably what's driving most of the issue.
00:12:53.720And now the fight that is occurring are people that are kind of in those layers having to say, well, I'm defending what I don't know or I'm arguing against what I don't know.
00:13:05.700And the problem is right now is that it's like everybody's fighting each other.
00:13:11.540It's like they're going to battle without really knowing what jersey they're wearing when they show up.
00:13:17.320And then they don't even know what weapons the other guys are going to bring.
00:13:19.700And so they're fighting battles with, you know, bringing knives to gunfights and guns to knife fights and bazookas to knife fights, right?
00:13:26.780So, like, that's kind of what Twitter is in general.
00:13:30.460And that's kind of where we are in real life now.
00:13:32.800And the problem is, is, like, someone's got to clean all that up.
00:13:35.720So, like, again, when you have the, you know, when you have BLM burned down Minneapolis, like, someone still has to go clean up Minneapolis and rebuild it.
00:13:44.600Like, that's kind of where we're at right now is where we have, like, some bazookas and knife fights type situation.
00:14:06.100We need some really thoughtful leaders.
00:14:08.140And I think Charlie's trying to be one of those people.
00:14:10.000And it's in the room that's like, hey, we need some answers.
00:14:12.560But, you know, whatever the answer is, we need to be prepared that it's not going to be maybe the answer that we were hoping for or that we may not have all the information that's laid out in front of us.
00:14:21.700Anyways, Jack, I don't know if you what your thoughts are with that.
00:14:26.920Yeah, no, I mean, I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here, too, because let's keep in mind that, you know, this was a situation where it Trump's Department of Justice.
00:14:40.740So the DOJ came out and said that there would be a phased release of Epstein files starting with phase one back in February.
00:14:50.900And that there would be others that followed.
00:14:54.020So there's there's two things here, I think, going on.
00:14:57.480Number one is this, you know, people saying, hey, we want prosecutions.
00:15:40.040They've talked about doing other stuff with files.
00:15:42.100So those are examples of the way to do accountability right.
00:15:47.280But when it comes to this, rather than saying, OK, here's the link, everyone can go and look at the Epstein files, which really would have diluted, I think, all of this anger.
00:15:57.040Instead, it's there are no Epstein files.
00:15:59.540And that was the initial response, which I think has kind of been has kind of been driven over in the past nine, 10 days or so, because obviously, if they're talking about who's in the Epstein files and that means there are files.
00:16:11.200And so there was this strange unsigned memo that came out on a Sunday night saying there are no Epstein files.
00:16:18.060And that's just to everyone's, you know, you know, to everyone's response.
00:16:23.300It was just just ridiculous because people are sitting there going, wait a minute, if you're conducting an investigation, obviously there are going to be files.
00:16:30.960They're going to be FBI 302 forms, et cetera, et cetera.
00:16:34.100And then trying to hide behind this idea of, oh, well, there's there's child sexual abuse.
00:16:38.500Nobody wants the child sexual abuse material to come out.
00:16:41.200Obviously, they want the children, if if at all possible, as much as possible to be protected and if at all possible to get the justice that they really were deprived of when this guy, you know, when he died in that cell.
00:16:56.460And so when when people are really looking at all of this, they're saying, why isn't there any information that you can just put up?
00:17:03.760Where are the emails, you know, from the investigation?
00:17:27.860If possible, we know that this this interview is supposedly coming out in about 90 minutes or so with President Trump and John Solomon.
00:17:34.400But then also troves of documents for people to be able to look through and people be able to research on their own to find out what's actually in there.
00:17:43.460I think I think the statement that there's no files at all is is really what was driving.
00:17:49.520Well, and Jack, Jack, the way that it was the way that it was released is problematic as well.
00:17:55.540It was it was a Sunday night on a holiday weekend.
00:18:02.380And by the way, when this is a base issue and you're going to send it to Axios, like what exactly do you think the base is going to respond to with at that point?
00:18:10.820But ultimately, I mean, I think that the comm strategy, you're 100 percent right.
00:18:15.300It should have been very, very straightforward.
00:18:52.760He he was they said they described him as having a motor of a curious brain like he and he would fly just to go have dinner with professors and scientists and Nobel laureates and all of these things.
00:19:06.760Right. So so there's going to be a lot of people that that he was interacting with that probably had nothing to do with any of the seedier parts of his of his activities.
00:19:15.220And that could potentially sort of ruin their lives.
00:19:19.480And so that's one of the things that they have been working against and kind of trying to deal with.
00:19:25.740I don't think that they should they should give too much credence to that.
00:19:28.640That shouldn't be the top priority list because it's been so butchered now, Jack, that we're starting to see this reflected in the polling.
00:19:36.780Right. We're seeing it reflected in the polling when it comes to 18 to 29 year olds.
00:19:41.180We're seeing. And by the way, that slide with 18 to 29 year olds has been happening since the Iran situation, which I would have expected had things gone normally to go back up.
00:19:51.420But I think when you tack on Iran onto the Epstein thing, which again is very online, which 18 to 29 year olds are very online, this is becoming a compounding effect.
00:20:00.540So this and Ukraine and Ukraine, this it totally this is the the the fire alarm for the base.
00:20:09.360I actually have something of an in-between view of Epstein.
00:20:12.460I don't think that we're going to I don't think of him as the skeleton key that's going to unlock all the mysteries of the of the previous decades and the intel corruption.
00:20:21.860It might have some answers. I don't think it's going to unravel all of them.
00:20:25.340I don't give Epstein that much credit. But the red the fire alarm here is that when you handle this thing in such a way where people are so pissed about it,
00:20:34.880that you're going to have a compounding effect that shows up in the polling, which then means it's going to have an impact in the midterms.
00:20:40.800So if you want to get impeached again, this is the way you do it as you just keep ignoring it.
00:20:45.760So we have to address it and you have to just sort of say, hey, listen, you guys are going to be disappointed.
00:20:50.420I'll give you everything we got. Let's go.
00:20:52.880Well, Blake's position is that nothing happened and everything.
00:20:56.660We should just ignore everything that happened at that.
00:20:59.840Well, so I would say I think I think there's like almost there's this.
00:21:04.380He actually said that he actually said that both he and Michael Jackson are in the same camp that there was nothing bad that ever went down.
00:21:13.460Every this is all Michael Jackson was probably just totally innocent.
00:21:16.740No, Epstein. Epstein, it seems pretty clear. Epstein actually had like crimes with underage girls.
00:21:23.360I don't know the full extent of them. But here's the deal, though, Blake.
00:21:28.200I have people who are down at the U.S. Virgin Islands and the follow up to that.
00:21:34.380I mean, they've gone in and out of that place.
00:21:36.120Tyler, walk this walk, walk, walk through this for people, because I've been meaning to sort of ask you offline about this.
00:21:42.980But if you're bringing it up, bring it up, because I know that, you know, more about the U.S. Virgin Islands connection.
00:21:50.120Keep in mind, folks, this is where the Epstein Island was.
00:21:54.360And people don't even remember that one of that that they remember the two cases, the Florida case against Epstein and then also the New York case.
00:22:02.960But there was a third case in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
00:22:05.680So so just for everyone's understanding at home, there is some really sketchy stuff just in general that goes on down to the U.S. Virgin Islands.
00:22:14.680And so the political parties that are established, which are American political parties, both Republican and Democrat, operate down there and operate as as holding companies for so much political dollars.
00:22:33.380Isn't a lot of that just the Virgin Islands are kind of a dump, though, like his island is nice, but it's otherwise like it's kind of a slum.
00:22:39.820Yeah. So that's the question you should ask yourself is why does every major candidate that runs for office go down and do massive, huge fundraisers down on the Virgin Islands, like right in the shadows of Epstein Island?
00:22:55.620And that's legitimately a big question.
00:22:58.360There's lots of shady stuff that goes through the U.S. Virgin Islands.
00:23:00.760There are a lot of shady characters who show up that are super involved all of a sudden with the political parties down there, including the Republican Party, including the Democrat Party.
00:23:08.440And the people that have been down there that live down there have witnessed that are the citizens of the Virgin Islands that have been there for generations that live there, have watched as as the government has gone in numerous times, cleared out.
00:23:29.480They will absolutely, you know, they have watched as items, documents, things have been carried out at later times, months after Epstein had had died, had killed himself.
00:23:45.920Right. So you have or allegedly killed himself, I should say.
00:23:52.320These are all things that are part of the questions that that should be answered with that all revolve around Epstein.
00:23:59.900Right. So if there isn't an explanation, you know, this is something that people should be looking at.
00:24:06.040Well, then explain what has been going on there and why so many federal agents have gone in and out of that place.
00:24:11.300Well, actually, that's part of it. That's part of it.
00:24:13.840I actually think no explanation can ever suffice for a lot of what.
00:24:18.180And that's like that's kind of totally agree.
00:24:19.780That is the big problem that the administration is caught in is to the if is true that a ton of people care about this because his claim is no one cares about it.
00:24:27.500But we'll see. I said 97 percent of us do who knows.
00:24:30.880We'll see how passionate people care about that.
00:24:33.440But like the catch 22 they're caught in is there's really any evidence they give unless it is like, oh, here's the list.
00:24:42.760Here's the 57 people that actually were like blackmailed by Epstein.
00:24:47.720And now they will all have to resign in disgrace.
00:24:50.500And the system has come crashing down.
00:24:52.360They'll say anything you release is just it's actually perpetuating the cover up like ever more and more.
00:25:09.420Like if they were to release everyone like let's say it's grand jury testimony and it's all the guilt by association stuff.
00:25:16.100Here's everyone who ever basically shook Jeffrey Epstein's hand over a 25 year period.
00:25:20.360And then all these people are tarred by association because they met Epstein, went to some social event that he was at, knew him, exchanged emails with him.
00:25:30.100No proof of any actual crimes that they were involved in.
00:25:34.080And then people will just say, well, why aren't you releasing all the stuff that shows they're guilty of all those crimes too?
00:25:38.720There will always be new things they will demand.
00:25:41.060And I think it actually probably does behoove us to pause and like look at the evidence that we might be massively outrunning ourselves here.
00:25:52.560Like let's take a core part of the Epstein mythos.
00:25:55.820A core part of the Epstein mythos, like part of the proof that he is an intelligence asset, is that supposedly Alex Acosta, who was the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor involved in negotiating that plea deal he did in Florida back in the 2000s.
00:26:59.020And also, since then, Acosta actually went...
00:27:02.640We have an on-the-record statement from Acosta in 2020 and he said he doesn't think that...
00:27:09.300I think he said, like, the answer is no.
00:27:10.880He doesn't think that he was an intelligence agent.
00:27:12.900And Vicki Ward, the author of that 2019 Daily Beast article that had that citation, she says today she doesn't believe Epstein was a spy or working for any government.
00:27:25.760In fact, I think we have a tape of her saying that recently.
00:27:30.680Well, I mean, that's the other now theory doing the rounds right among, you know, that the reason no one's going to release the real data that they have is because he must have been some sort of agent or spy.
00:27:48.180I don't think he was working for a particular government.
00:27:51.420I don't know what your take on that is.
00:27:53.040People of power, people of influence, who enjoyed his company.
00:28:00.280I mean, I think we're mesmerized by him in so many ways.
00:28:06.480And part of what was mesmerizing is that everybody came away with knowing things they did not know.
00:28:14.160I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was certainly a conduit of all kinds of information.
00:28:19.720So I guess based off of what you're saying then is that they could just give Ghislaine Maxwell immunity and just let her talk freely then, right?
00:28:38.500I was surprised that because there were no cameras.
00:28:42.180So back then, not a lot of people were covering it live.
00:28:44.380But we were doing, on my show, we were doing pretty much daily updates when that thing was coming out.
00:28:50.200It was, believe it or not, it was four years ago when she was on trial, which is crazy to even think about.
00:28:54.920It's been six years, by the way, since he was found dead in his cell.
00:28:59.020So, I mean, this has been, it's just crazy when you think about how long it's been that people have really been asking this.
00:29:06.260And I agree, though, that it's a fever pitch now because people are being told, because of the way it's been handled, because people are being told you can't have any information.
00:29:16.320And this is totally, you know, on whoever put together that memo from a week and a half ago.
00:29:54.460And that much has been made public now.
00:29:56.840I think they just didn't understand how deep this goes, at least the the intrigue with the base.
00:30:05.660And I think, you know, they know now they see they see now.
00:30:10.620But but but I don't want to go away from what you said, Blake.
00:30:14.140What was so weird about the Glenn Maxwell case?
00:30:16.980What were you thinking of in your head when you said that?
00:30:18.920Well, so, for example, this came out one of the so when they were getting jurors for the trial, they asked on the jury questionnaire, were you a victim of sexual abuse or someone close to you a victim of sexual abuse?
00:30:35.940And then it turned out that was not true.
00:30:38.460He said he claims to have been a sexual abuse victim himself.
00:30:41.540And his like testimony to other members of the jury about his own abuse, which was not at issue in the trial, like helped them overcome their doubts.
00:30:52.180And like he was explaining how actually like what the process of abuse is like and how the fact that their stories are inconsistent or have holes doesn't doesn't disprove them.
00:31:01.260It was it was like totally the the Me Too narrative that we've heard before where like, oh, if their story doesn't make sense, that's just that's because the abuse affected them so badly.
00:31:11.120And then like afterwards, he was just straight up like celebrating with one of the alleged victims about like helping achieve this verdict outcome.
00:31:20.920Like it was not it was very odd behavior from a juror.
00:31:24.400Also, one of the acute one of like the four core victims in the case was like a schizophrenic who said that she had voices warning her that people were like agents were going to come and kidnap her children and take them away for sex trafficking.
00:31:37.920Like there's a lot of weird stuff around the case.
00:31:42.320And I think it's worth remembering that Epstein getting arrested the second time leading to a suicide that was happening at the height of Me Too.
00:31:51.800It followed like a series of articles from the Miami Herald that basically laid out, you know, all these people who said they'd been abused by Epstein.
00:32:02.000And I just think it's worth pausing to think, like, how much do we truly 100 percent ironclad know in this case versus like the mythology, the mythos that people have built up around this for years?
00:32:16.900Because I feel like I often isn't that the argument, though, why you should just like put out everything you could, but it's also why there wouldn't be nearly as much as people think.
00:32:27.760And I've heard stuff like the great mystery of why Jeffrey Epstein had so much money.
00:32:33.140Like this is just a 100 percent thing that can't be explained.
00:32:35.600So I finally I just went and I read biography like articles about Epstein from 2002 before he'd even been arrested or anything.
00:33:24.360Well, so he's this guy like he's he's he basically he's a guy who was insanely talented at money.
00:33:32.280Like, I think when people say, how did this math teacher get so rich?
00:33:36.200It often carries this implication like he was this nobody until he's 30 or 35 or something.
00:33:41.980And then he suddenly plucked up and becomes incredibly rich really quickly when it's actually he was a math teacher when he was like 20 to 22.
00:33:48.740Then he goes and works on Wall Street at the age you would work on Wall Street as a young adult, even today.
00:34:13.320And he's working with billionaire clients, supposedly with his own firm from like 1983 onwards.
00:34:19.300And if you're employing Billy, if you're if you have billionaire clients paying you millions of dollars as a flat fee for money management from the mid 80s, you could absolutely be insanely rich by the 90s.
00:34:31.540But Blake, but Blake, you're skipping over an important point because you've you've put that article in our chat and I read it.
00:34:37.700The question that I had instantly reading that jump from like working on Wall Street and Bear Stearns and all of a sudden he launches his own firm.
00:36:32.100Like if you he was basically running this guy's money and he self enriched himself to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.
00:36:39.660So maybe the narrative is as simple as he had one or two very rich people get really like become extremely close with him.
00:36:48.300And he essentially exploited them certainly would not be the first such arrangement to exist in American finance or anywhere else.
00:36:56.400And so I only bring all of that up to say there actually are mundane explanations of comparatively mundane explanations.
00:37:06.100You don't have this thing where only, oh, he's an intelligence asset explains what he was able to do.
00:37:13.600I think he's a smart and extremely like charismatic individual who was in Wall Street during this massive boom time can explain a lot of things.
00:37:24.100And I think for the later stuff, like there was a sort of like mythology around him that encouraged like wild accusations, wild beliefs.
00:37:33.200And we're sort of now coming to terms with that.
00:37:36.700And people are finding it difficult to extricate themselves from these many, many years of like mythology building around Epstein.
00:37:44.740Yeah, but Blake, there's things like how did he get possession of the largest, you know, mansion estate in Manhattan that was owned by the State Department?
00:38:02.680Yeah, so Wexner had it and then he sold it.
00:38:04.600And there's some claims he may have sold it to him for a dollar, which would also explain if he was able to get it before he would have otherwise been able to afford it.
00:38:11.300But he may have also just bought it normally because he made a ton of money.
00:38:18.100By the way, I think that, you know, I was looking at this former prime minister, Naftali or whatever, Israeli prime minister, because, you know, post Tucker being at SAS, then the entire Israeli Jewish community was, you know, pretty up in arms that Tucker was suggesting that the tie only went between Israel, Mossad and Epstein.
00:38:39.400And so then you have, you know, you have former Israeli prime minister, Naftali Bennett firmly denies it.
00:38:46.620So we asked Mike Bentz about that on the show.
00:38:49.060And Mike was like, hey, I look at this as like, you know, really an artfully written letter, essentially saying, yeah, we're not denying any ties.
00:38:58.900OK, well, what is working for you mean versus having ties?
00:39:01.680And and I tend to my the way I look at this and Blake, I think you would probably resonate with this at some level is this is a guy that's fooling around with, you know, hot women and then underage women.
00:39:13.440He claims, you know, at the time that he didn't know any of them were underage.
00:39:16.660I think he I think we all can ignore that.
00:39:18.580He probably knew he probably he was doing weird crap with them.
00:39:22.400A lot of these women claim they were victimized, all that stuff.
00:39:25.000But he obviously had this appetite for titillation, right?
00:40:18.040So doing these these offshore, you know, complicated tax shelters or layering of different businesses like this was he had a particular set of skills that he could sell out to the highest bidder.
00:40:30.340But it didn't necessarily mean he was married to any of them.
00:40:33.100So he might have been involved in different projects within the intel community that were seedy or unseemly.
00:40:38.260But that was it's almost like he might have been drawn to that because it was this is the type of person he like what do you call him, Blake, a fabulist.
00:40:46.680I think that's a fairly compelling, a fairly compelling way to look at his psychological makeup.
00:40:51.480He would do things that that increased his mystique, that that got his kicks off, that that, you know, and that sort of pattern holds in each different area of his life.
00:41:03.240Yeah, there are there are other articles about him that say basically in the 80s, he told people he was an intelligence agent.
00:41:09.460I feel like, you know, the greatest intel asset of all time would would not do that.
00:41:14.160But there are definitely fabulous who tell people all the time that they're intelligence assets and a lot of people even believe them this this actually works with a ton of people you just tell someone you work for the CIA and they don't get it disproven otherwise that they sometimes just believe it.
00:41:28.840Uh, and so I guess like getting back to the core thing is, are we able to, does this like damage the administration or are they going to be able to extricate themselves?
00:41:45.580I don't know, Jack, well, I think, look, I think it's already shown up in polling.
00:41:53.500Um, I think it's going to be something that, and by the way, let's, let's keep in mind too, that the effect of the tariffs is now starting to come in where we're, we are, you know, CPI was down, which was good.
00:42:05.980But at the same time, you know, the effect of the tariffs is starting to be seen a little bit here and there with price increases, um, around the board, you know, July usually is a very, very, like it's the doldrums of summer.
00:42:25.160The news cycle is usually completely quiet during July.
00:42:29.380And yet here we are with this completely heated, I mean, almost seems chosen kind of discussion and, you know, it's really one that was done with, without any reason.
00:42:40.920As far as I know, as far as I can tell, um, there's no political or legal reason to put this memo out when they did.
00:42:49.800And so what I think the admin here, here's the issue, right?
00:42:52.740You don't try to say the admin has a lot of wins that they can directly point to.
00:42:57.200They're also going to have to be spending political capital on various things here and there as, as things come up, you know, uh, ice raids, et cetera, et cetera, tariffs, um, who knows something kicks off with Ukraine or not this new arms deal that's going through.
00:43:12.240And so this thing has turned into this, this massive, I think, um, umbrella in the sense that it's blocking out everything else that's going on.
00:43:23.520And, and for people to think that it's just, it's a mistake to think that it'll just go away on its own.
00:43:28.800And it's a mistake to think that people will just stop caring about it because they're told to, I don't think that's how MAGA works.
00:43:34.960I don't think how that that's how the America first movement works.
00:43:37.320And I don't think it's going to go away, quote unquote, until some pressure is released in some way.
00:43:46.300Now, whether that's by a release, I would love to see a release, whether that's by a special prosecutor, I would love to see a special prosecutor.
00:43:51.960We're now one hour away from that interview with John Solomon.
00:43:55.640That's going to drop here with president Trump.
00:44:00.840But of course, the question is, are we going to actually get one?
00:44:03.680Now I've heard, I have heard that, uh, there is a serious effort underway to appoint a special prosecutor and that names are being listed already.
00:44:14.380So there's a list of names that's being brought together of potential, um, you know, potential individuals who could be that special prosecutor.
00:44:26.120So it's going to be kind of like over all this, including Epstein, but it's going to be like, so yeah, so it's, it's, you put it together, right?
00:44:33.660So it's a deep state prosecutor, but you add Epstein to the scope memo of this broader conspiracy that they were looking at already with Russiagate, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et cetera.
00:44:45.620But you add, you add Epstein essentially to that as well to see if there's any nexus or be able to go.
00:44:52.800And so for people to understand this, by the way, when you look at Mueller, right, the special counsel's office, isn't just, it's not just like one person is going over and reviewing this stuff.
00:45:01.440They have, they have teams under them.
00:45:02.920They have prosecutors, they have investigators, they have analysts.
00:45:05.800So you can easily have dual, you know, dual tracks of investigations in different buckets that they're looking into underneath the office of the special counsel, if that is the route that they end up going under.
00:45:19.140And by the way, there's also a question of whether or not this person needs to be Senate confirmed.
00:45:23.140That's something that with some of these Supreme Court orders that came down.
00:45:27.200Actually, Blake, that would be, that's an interesting question for you.
00:45:29.240I know I'm, I'm kind of throwing you for, you know, didn't, didn't ask this beforehand, but is it true that with some of the court rulings on Jack Smith that a special counsel would need to be Senate confirmed?
00:45:41.460So it's unclear because I think the court ruling was specifically about his, correct?
00:45:47.740Or I haven't, I haven't closely looked at this, but I think that.
00:45:51.600But you know what I'm talking about, right?
00:45:57.760It's not currently, I think they could still do it in theory.
00:46:01.080I know Clarence Thomas basically said in like, uh, one of his concurrences that he would really like the Supreme Court to look at this, but I don't think the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that basically special counsels are actually of that sort are actually not allowed anymore.
00:46:17.240Uh, but you are putting me on the spot, so I don't know for sure the answer.
00:47:00.940And so for, for folks who are there, you know, I want to, um, you know, in the chat, you know, send us your stuff as well.
00:47:08.240Um, you know, uh, freedom of Charlie Kirk.com or 1776 at humanevents.com.
00:47:15.460Send us your, send us your comments because there's a ton out there on this.
00:47:18.940We've spent now, uh, about 47 minutes talking about it way longer than certainly we intended to, but honestly, we could go even further because, you know, at the end of the day, I think this is a situation where people want answers.
00:47:31.320You're starting to see, by the way, when you look at the polling, this is something where the left and the right are actually in agreement on where they want more answers to come out on this, or at least something to be done in this situation.
00:47:41.700So it's, it's sort of becoming a self-perpetuating, uh, prophecy here where, you know, it's, it's, or self-fulfilling prophecy, I should say, where the absence of a story has created a story rather than the other way around.
00:47:54.660And that, that goes back to, that goes back to the way it was handled.
00:47:57.800That goes back to the way that it was set up.
00:48:00.060But, uh, I know this is thought crime and we did have a few other topics that I wanted to get to.
00:48:06.520And so it'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the Somali mayors.
00:48:10.940Do you guys want to get into the Somali mayors?
00:48:13.980We, we knew this had to come someday from Minneapolis, but you know, they could have, they could have waited a bit longer, but here we are.
00:48:29.940Which I assume that's probably Fateh, like the word for conquest in Islam.
00:48:34.880You know, they have, they have basically that, it's super common in like Turkey because it refers to like, oh, the Islamic conquest of, uh, the Christian empire.
00:48:43.660But anyway, we'll have a different Islamic conquest going on in Minneapolis.
00:48:48.360And I'm sure it will work out equally as well for the inhabitants.
00:48:51.420So yeah, this guy, Omar Fateh, he is, uh, Somali born in, uh, the United States, but he has clips of him referring to Somalia as our country, much like Ilhan Omar also has clips of her doing that.
00:49:06.360And he's really, uh, and he's really, uh, he's born in 1990.