Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 91 — The Epstein Hoax？ Somali Mayors？ Bowling Alone？

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00:00:21.500 Alright folks, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard to this week's edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:27.880 We're doing things a little bit different this week.

00:00:31.140 Of course, today, Thought Crime Thursday came early because we're all committing thought crimes apparently all the time.

00:00:38.980 And unfortunately, Charlie Kirk committed so many thought crimes that he has been put in thought crime time out.

00:00:47.500 So, unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, depending on your outlook, you are here and you have to deal with the rest of the Thought Crime crew.

00:00:58.360 So, we've got all the rest of the four of us here.

00:01:00.980 We've got myself, Jack Posobiec, we've got producer Andrew, and we've got Blake Neff and Tyler Boyer.

00:01:06.540 What's up, guys?

00:01:08.060 Woo woo! 0.88

00:01:08.640 What's up, Jack?

00:01:08.840 So, we're doing things a little bit early this week.

00:01:13.200 And the reason that we are doing this early this week is because, of course, all the news about Epstein.

00:01:21.360 Yes, the curious case of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:01:24.420 This case where, you know, we think it's done.

00:01:28.000 We think more is coming out.

00:01:29.920 We think that it's been settled.

00:01:32.040 Oh, wait, it's not settled.

00:01:33.020 And then, you know, one day a bunch of us get invited to the White House and we get told that there's going to be a phased release.

00:01:39.180 And then we get told there is no release, et cetera, et cetera.

00:01:42.620 That's kind of where things are at, though, interestingly enough.

00:01:46.200 And so, as we are live right now, and there is an interview that was prerecorded between President Trump and John Solomon that's going to come out later.

00:01:56.600 I think in about two hours time from where we are right now.

00:01:59.300 And in that, President Trump, and I've spoken to John Solomon about this, that President Trump is going to come out and embrace a special prosecutor, not just for sort of the Russiagate stuff and the various hoaxes related to that, but also one that he wants to have on Epstein.

00:02:19.820 And this is something that is going to come out in just a few hours.

00:02:23.100 So, one special prosecutor for really looking into all of this stuff that goes back, you know, even probably before 2016.

00:02:32.780 But that's where we're at.

00:02:33.780 President Trump had a truth up earlier today.

00:02:36.600 And, well, everything has broken loose.

00:02:39.460 Blake, maybe you want to bring us all up to speed on that.

00:02:42.420 All right.

00:02:42.960 I mean, a lot of stuff has happened over the last few days.

00:02:45.900 It's been escalating and kind of what's, you know, you can see below the subhead, the Epstein hoax.

00:02:52.380 And that is the label that has currently been given to the entire story by the President of the United States himself.

00:02:58.860 He said on Truth Social this morning, he says it is the Epstein hoax.

00:03:03.420 And he says it's in a lineage with the Russia hoax, the Hunter Biden hoax, or really the Hunter Biden narrative that it was a hoax or double hoaxes within hoaxes here.

00:03:14.460 But he basically says it's into this whole stream on, you know, Jack Smith stuff.

00:03:19.200 All of these come together.

00:03:20.420 And that the Epstein case is one of these things.

00:03:22.820 And he actually says, if you are a supporter of mine, you will reject all of this and stop talking about it and have it all go away.

00:03:31.500 I think we can all say, having talked to various members of the base, there are certainly a lot of people who are not going to let this go away.

00:03:38.980 I do think that it is probably an issue that resonates the most with highly online, highly engaged, like people who are really wrapped up in the media narrative of things.

00:03:51.940 I don't think it matters as much to probably, like, I don't imagine my parents are closely following this, for example.

00:03:58.940 And, you know, they're big Trump supporters, of course.

00:04:00.540 But I do think more people care about it than, you know, the president said in his truth post.

00:04:08.200 Hey, Blake, do you think, do you think actually, let me throw that out.

00:04:11.960 Is this one of those issues as well, where it's sort of, there's a split, and I'll open this up for everyone, where there's sort of a split based on where you get your news from, where your primary source of news is?

00:04:22.560 So for people who are on social media, people who are tracking that, you know, this is a huge issue.

00:04:28.400 This has obviously been dominating, what, like almost the, has it been two weeks?

00:04:33.060 I think it's almost been two weeks since the, that memo came out on the 4th of July weekend, or I guess a week and a half at this point.

00:04:40.340 And, and in a way that it's just not really penetrated until just now, cable news.

00:04:50.880 Well, I have a feeling on that.

00:04:53.220 So, I mean, there's somebody who interacts with the media as part of my day job.

00:04:58.060 Um, they basically told me that there was no there there, and so they're not going to ask a question about something that they consider to be a conspiracy theory.

00:05:06.140 But they quickly betrayed the pat answer that I was receiving when they saw that MAGA and the base was upset about this issue and they wanted more transparency and answers.

00:05:17.300 So they are giddily covering the fact that there is discontent in the MAGA base and that Trump is at odds with his base or whatever.

00:05:26.420 So the, so the, while they won't cover the actual substance of the story to any degree, they will cover that there is a split between the base and the president seemingly tonally at the top.

00:05:40.340 Yeah, it seems like that's the story that's built on the story.

00:05:43.300 So it's now it's more of a story talking about the infighting than it is about actually the substance like Andrew's alluding to with Epstein.

00:05:52.020 Epstein, but I thought it was really interesting.

00:05:54.320 I think CNN came out with a poll that said like 97% of Americans care about Epstein.

00:05:58.700 So they say that I think I'm going to, so this is going to be the hour where I just make all the people watching really angry because, well, you know, I'm going to be what blue pill, Blake.

00:06:09.280 Is that, is that what I'm going to be this time?

00:06:10.660 Like the contrarian.

00:06:11.920 Like if you were, if you were an ancient King, you would have been Blake, the contrarian, something like that.

00:06:16.400 Well, I do want to hear an ancient King, maybe like before reincarnate, before we dig into that, you know, let's, let's, so this, this Quinnipiac poll just dropped and I think we're all looking at it right now.

00:06:27.920 It says 63% of voters disapprove of the Trump administration's handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files.

00:06:34.580 Quinnipiac University national poll finds nearly half of voters would consider joining a third party, not just one created by Moscow.

00:06:42.000 That's a separate question.

00:06:43.280 And it said only 17% of voters say that they approve of the way Trump is handling his, the Epstein files.

00:06:53.280 And there's a, there's just a comment from the analyst and he says, Epstein has been dead and gone for years, but his tawdry legacy looms large in a country wanting to know more about who he knew and whether secrets have been buried with him.

00:07:08.020 It also gets into Pam Bondi, Dan Bongino and Kash Patel.

00:07:12.960 So I want to go to Blake here.

00:07:15.140 Blake, when you, when you look at stuff like this, let's talk about not just the case itself,

00:07:20.720 because I feel like the story has become even bigger than that.

00:07:24.040 It's the handling of all of this.

00:07:26.460 And, you know, I'm a little biased.

00:07:29.200 Obviously I disapprove of the handling of it, but because in the way that I've been wrapped up in all of this and the way that the focus has become on binders and influencers and meetings and all this nonsense,

00:07:41.320 rather than actually getting to the facts.

00:07:43.960 But Blake, what, what is your sense of all this and has the handling of this been what's riled this up?

00:07:49.140 Yeah. So let's go back to what the original assertion is in the, you know, leaked memo and in subsequent statements.

00:07:57.580 It's the statement is basically Epstein did kill himself.

00:08:01.180 He wasn't murdered.

00:08:02.420 Epstein didn't have a blackmail list.

00:08:05.060 There's no file of like who he was blackmailing.

00:08:07.720 And basically we don't have additional crimes we can prosecute.

00:08:11.480 All we have is the stuff that was committed by Epstein and by Maxwell, which like they had, they had illegal, you know, child videos, but it was just normal.

00:08:19.660 It was like normal abuse.

00:08:20.880 I don't want to say normal, but, uh, it was just like stuff they could have downloaded off the internet.

00:08:25.140 It was not like made by themselves is what they say.

00:08:27.920 Okay. And so there's basically no one to prosecute.

00:08:31.860 There's no deeper hidden thing here. 0.73

00:08:34.580 This is a pervert who died and he is still dead. 0.95

00:08:38.700 He can't be punished anymore. 0.98

00:08:39.780 And that's all there is to it.

00:08:41.700 Uh, and I think where they aired is that they didn't appreciate that this was going to, for lack of a better term, like it's going to disappoint people.

00:08:52.640 There's a good portion of people out there, especially the ones who follow it most avidly, who they really believe that there is like, there is something to the Epstein story that could be exposed, that there are important individuals, whether in intelligence or in finance or in politics, Hollywood, who were involved in this sort of like sorted elite sex ring.

00:09:20.080 And they were either just enthusiastic participants or they were kind of entrapped and then blackmailed by Epstein.

00:09:25.580 And there's something that could be revealed here and that it's not being revealed as sort of emblematic of like how powerful people can be protected in America.

00:09:33.120 So I'll just go with, let's assume that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino and Pam Bondi and the president, of course, are all correct and telling the truth.

00:09:41.560 And I think we generally do trust these people, uh, that there actually isn't anything to this.

00:09:47.080 They had to appreciate this was going to disappoint people and sort of let them down easily.

00:09:52.940 And the way you do that is you have to kind of come in and say, all right, guys, we're going to lay it all out for you here.

00:10:01.840 I would have gotten Dan Bongino.

00:10:03.060 I would have had him really study everything we had for, you know, dedicate a good few days, maybe a few weeks to getting ready for this.

00:10:09.800 Then you come out in the press conference and you're like, all right, everyone, you've got me for five hours if you need me.

00:10:16.000 And here is what we looked for.

00:10:19.140 Here's what people have said would exist.

00:10:21.480 And we looked for this.

00:10:22.420 And actually, that doesn't exist.

00:10:24.300 All we found was this.

00:10:25.960 We want to dispel some myths.

00:10:27.740 Here, hit me with all the questions.

00:10:28.800 And you do your best to come out with maximal transparency.

00:10:33.020 Where the misfire happened on this was dump it on Sunday night saying, this is nothing, don't ask us about it, and getting angry when people ask about it.

00:10:42.780 That is, to the people who care about this, that is the polar opposite of what you want to do.

00:10:48.480 That is essentially aggressively shouting like you have something to hide, even if you don't.

00:10:53.900 And it's just, it's a pure strategy thing here.

00:10:57.180 You should have handled this in terms of communication strategy differently if you wanted to make sure people wouldn't get upset about it.

00:11:06.980 Yeah, I think the problem that most people I'm seeing have with everything is, again, this is similar to the way that the media is handling it, is the way that the administration is handling it, and then the rings that are around the administration.

00:11:19.980 So, right now, you kind of have laid out the situation where it's, you know, there's clearly something there that the general public doesn't know about.

00:11:30.020 So, like, let's start from the baseline position, and I don't know where Jack wants to jump in on this, but there is a nucleus of information that exists with Epstein that people don't know about.

00:11:42.620 And the fact that everybody doesn't know about it, and the jump to conclusions is like, well, there's a bunch of fake stuff, and there's a bunch of things that are hoaxes, and there's a bunch of, there's hoaxes on hoaxes, right?

00:11:54.360 So, I think that's what's bothering people so much.

00:11:56.020 It's like, well, okay, well, explain what the heck is going on then if there are problems that exist, right?

00:12:02.660 Because that's not the way that it's been framed this entire time, and everyone from the president to people within the administration to the rings, again, around the president, because there's layers to the president.

00:12:14.300 There are organizations.

00:12:15.720 There are, you know, people who have supported the president.

00:12:19.700 There are people who work in the administration, people outside the administration who have all said the same things for many years now.

00:12:24.900 And there just needs to be a really strongly curated PR layout of absolutely everything, what is accessible, what's not accessible, why, what did happen, what didn't happen, why they think it is, right?

00:12:39.920 And the president's team could do that, right?

00:12:42.620 They could come out and say, here are all the things that we thought were true that we don't know or are not because this is what we have access to now.

00:12:51.460 I think that's probably what's driving most of the issue.

00:12:53.720 And now the fight that is occurring are people that are kind of in those layers having to say, well, I'm defending what I don't know or I'm arguing against what I don't know.

00:13:05.700 And the problem is right now is that it's like everybody's fighting each other.

00:13:11.540 It's like they're going to battle without really knowing what jersey they're wearing when they show up.

00:13:17.320 And then they don't even know what weapons the other guys are going to bring.

00:13:19.700 And so they're fighting battles with, you know, bringing knives to gunfights and guns to knife fights and bazookas to knife fights, right?

00:13:26.780 So, like, that's kind of what Twitter is in general.

00:13:29.400 That's what X is.

00:13:30.460 And that's kind of where we are in real life now.

00:13:32.800 And the problem is, is, like, someone's got to clean all that up.

00:13:35.720 So, like, again, when you have the, you know, when you have BLM burned down Minneapolis, like, someone still has to go clean up Minneapolis and rebuild it.

00:13:44.600 Like, that's kind of where we're at right now is where we have, like, some bazookas and knife fights type situation.

00:13:50.160 There's just a crater there.

00:13:51.340 Now, someone's got to clean that up at some point.

00:13:52.920 And most of the people who are doing the work and, like, trying to win the election next year are going to have to do that.

00:13:59.000 I think it's incumbent upon many of us to realize, like, hey, we do deserve answers.

00:14:04.900 We need the answers the right way.

00:14:06.100 We need some really thoughtful leaders.

00:14:08.140 And I think Charlie's trying to be one of those people.

00:14:10.000 And it's in the room that's like, hey, we need some answers.

00:14:12.560 But, you know, whatever the answer is, we need to be prepared that it's not going to be maybe the answer that we were hoping for or that we may not have all the information that's laid out in front of us.

00:14:21.700 Anyways, Jack, I don't know if you what your thoughts are with that.

00:14:26.920 Yeah, no, I mean, I think we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves here, too, because let's keep in mind that, you know, this was a situation where it Trump's Department of Justice.

00:14:40.740 So the DOJ came out and said that there would be a phased release of Epstein files starting with phase one back in February.

00:14:50.900 And that there would be others that followed.

00:14:54.020 So there's there's two things here, I think, going on.

00:14:57.480 Number one is this, you know, people saying, hey, we want prosecutions.

00:15:02.760 We want we want this going going on.

00:15:05.020 We want to see who else was involved.

00:15:06.240 OK, that's number one.

00:15:07.340 Number two is.

00:15:08.780 The statement that there is nothing else to be released, especially at a time when JFK files, they released them all, threw them up.

00:15:18.660 Anyone can go look at them.

00:15:20.080 Tulsi Gabbard came out and said, hey, we're we're scanning these things.

00:15:23.440 Some of these files, because they're so old, they've never even been scanned before.

00:15:26.960 They spent a lot of time doing that.

00:15:28.320 She was completely open about it and they put them right up.

00:15:31.540 And then anyone can go and look at the PDFs.

00:15:33.340 And I believe they're searchable in one way, shape or form.

00:15:36.660 RFK as well.

00:15:37.380 RFK senior.

00:15:38.220 I mean, his assassination.

00:15:40.040 They've talked about doing other stuff with files.

00:15:42.100 So those are examples of the way to do accountability right.

00:15:47.280 But when it comes to this, rather than saying, OK, here's the link, everyone can go and look at the Epstein files, which really would have diluted, I think, all of this anger.

00:15:57.040 Instead, it's there are no Epstein files.

00:15:59.540 And that was the initial response, which I think has kind of been has kind of been driven over in the past nine, 10 days or so, because obviously, if they're talking about who's in the Epstein files and that means there are files.

00:16:11.200 And so there was this strange unsigned memo that came out on a Sunday night saying there are no Epstein files.

00:16:18.060 And that's just to everyone's, you know, you know, to everyone's response.

00:16:23.300 It was just just ridiculous because people are sitting there going, wait a minute, if you're conducting an investigation, obviously there are going to be files.

00:16:30.060 They're going to be memos.

00:16:30.960 They're going to be FBI 302 forms, et cetera, et cetera.

00:16:34.100 And then trying to hide behind this idea of, oh, well, there's there's child sexual abuse.

00:16:38.500 Nobody wants the child sexual abuse material to come out.

00:16:41.200 Obviously, they want the children, if if at all possible, as much as possible to be protected and if at all possible to get the justice that they really were deprived of when this guy, you know, when he died in that cell.

00:16:56.460 And so when when people are really looking at all of this, they're saying, why isn't there any information that you can just put up?

00:17:03.760 Where are the emails, you know, from the investigation?

00:17:06.700 Where are the memos?

00:17:08.880 Where are the documents?

00:17:09.740 Where are any of these things that anyone could release?

00:17:12.840 You know, go back to like Julian Assange.

00:17:15.140 When those tranches of emails came out, people could go and search them.

00:17:18.440 You can still go to WikiLeaks and search them right now.

00:17:20.440 And I think that is the second bucket of things that people are looking for.

00:17:25.040 So the first one, yes, prosecutions.

00:17:26.920 Absolutely.

00:17:27.860 If possible, we know that this this interview is supposedly coming out in about 90 minutes or so with President Trump and John Solomon.

00:17:34.400 But then also troves of documents for people to be able to look through and people be able to research on their own to find out what's actually in there.

00:17:43.460 I think I think the statement that there's no files at all is is really what was driving.

00:17:49.520 Well, and Jack, Jack, the way that it was the way that it was released is problematic as well.

00:17:55.540 It was it was a Sunday night on a holiday weekend.

00:17:58.840 And it was this memo leaked to Axios.

00:18:02.380 And by the way, when this is a base issue and you're going to send it to Axios, like what exactly do you think the base is going to respond to with at that point?

00:18:10.820 But ultimately, I mean, I think that the comm strategy, you're 100 percent right.

00:18:15.300 It should have been very, very straightforward.

00:18:17.420 Here's our WikiLeaks style document.

00:18:19.800 Everything we have.

00:18:21.040 Here's what we don't have.

00:18:22.480 We are working to find that.

00:18:24.280 And as soon as we find that, we will let you know and we will subsequently release it just like we've released this.

00:18:30.680 We have we have only redacted anything that's related to victims, any names, sources, methods.

00:18:38.040 All that stuff has been released.

00:18:39.740 And I understand that there is potentially this is one of the excuses I've heard.

00:18:43.380 There's potentially collateral damage in that release.

00:18:46.720 Like Blake's made the point a lot, at least in our in our chat.

00:18:50.000 This is this guy was a socialite.

00:18:51.700 He was out and about.

00:18:52.760 He he was they said they described him as having a motor of a curious brain like he and he would fly just to go have dinner with professors and scientists and Nobel laureates and all of these things.

00:19:06.760 Right. So so there's going to be a lot of people that that he was interacting with that probably had nothing to do with any of the seedier parts of his of his activities.

00:19:15.220 And that could potentially sort of ruin their lives.

00:19:17.760 Right. At least for a time being.

00:19:19.480 And so that's one of the things that they have been working against and kind of trying to deal with.

00:19:25.740 I don't think that they should they should give too much credence to that.

00:19:28.640 That shouldn't be the top priority list because it's been so butchered now, Jack, that we're starting to see this reflected in the polling.

00:19:36.780 Right. We're seeing it reflected in the polling when it comes to 18 to 29 year olds.

00:19:41.180 We're seeing. And by the way, that slide with 18 to 29 year olds has been happening since the Iran situation, which I would have expected had things gone normally to go back up.

00:19:51.420 But I think when you tack on Iran onto the Epstein thing, which again is very online, which 18 to 29 year olds are very online, this is becoming a compounding effect. 0.67

00:20:00.540 So this and Ukraine and Ukraine, this it totally this is the the the fire alarm for the base.

00:20:09.360 I actually have something of an in-between view of Epstein.

00:20:12.460 I don't think that we're going to I don't think of him as the skeleton key that's going to unlock all the mysteries of the of the previous decades and the intel corruption.

00:20:21.860 It might have some answers. I don't think it's going to unravel all of them.

00:20:25.340 I don't give Epstein that much credit. But the red the fire alarm here is that when you handle this thing in such a way where people are so pissed about it,

00:20:34.880 that you're going to have a compounding effect that shows up in the polling, which then means it's going to have an impact in the midterms.

00:20:40.800 So if you want to get impeached again, this is the way you do it as you just keep ignoring it.

00:20:45.760 So we have to address it and you have to just sort of say, hey, listen, you guys are going to be disappointed.

00:20:50.420 I'll give you everything we got. Let's go.

00:20:52.880 Well, Blake's position is that nothing happened and everything.

00:20:56.660 We should just ignore everything that happened at that.

00:20:59.840 Well, so I would say I think I think there's like almost there's this.

00:21:04.380 He actually said that he actually said that both he and Michael Jackson are in the same camp that there was nothing bad that ever went down.

00:21:13.460 Every this is all Michael Jackson was probably just totally innocent.

00:21:16.740 No, Epstein. Epstein, it seems pretty clear. Epstein actually had like crimes with underage girls.

00:21:23.360 I don't know the full extent of them. But here's the deal, though, Blake.

00:21:28.200 I have people who are down at the U.S. Virgin Islands and the follow up to that.

00:21:34.380 I mean, they've gone in and out of that place.

00:21:36.120 Tyler, walk this walk, walk, walk through this for people, because I've been meaning to sort of ask you offline about this.

00:21:42.980 But if you're bringing it up, bring it up, because I know that, you know, more about the U.S. Virgin Islands connection.

00:21:50.120 Keep in mind, folks, this is where the Epstein Island was.

00:21:54.360 And people don't even remember that one of that that they remember the two cases, the Florida case against Epstein and then also the New York case.

00:22:02.960 But there was a third case in the U.S. Virgin Islands.

00:22:05.680 So so just for everyone's understanding at home, there is some really sketchy stuff just in general that goes on down to the U.S. Virgin Islands.

00:22:14.680 And so the political parties that are established, which are American political parties, both Republican and Democrat, operate down there and operate as as holding companies for so much political dollars.

00:22:31.000 I mean, this is this is a tiny place.

00:22:33.380 Isn't a lot of that just the Virgin Islands are kind of a dump, though, like his island is nice, but it's otherwise like it's kind of a slum.

00:22:39.820 Yeah. So that's the question you should ask yourself is why does every major candidate that runs for office go down and do massive, huge fundraisers down on the Virgin Islands, like right in the shadows of Epstein Island?

00:22:52.620 So that's a question.

00:22:55.620 And that's legitimately a big question.

00:22:58.360 There's lots of shady stuff that goes through the U.S. Virgin Islands.

00:23:00.760 There are a lot of shady characters who show up that are super involved all of a sudden with the political parties down there, including the Republican Party, including the Democrat Party.

00:23:08.440 And the people that have been down there that live down there have witnessed that are the citizens of the Virgin Islands that have been there for generations that live there, have watched as as the government has gone in numerous times, cleared out.

00:23:29.480 They will absolutely, you know, they have watched as items, documents, things have been carried out at later times, months after Epstein had had died, had killed himself.

00:23:45.920 Right. So you have or allegedly killed himself, I should say.

00:23:52.320 These are all things that are part of the questions that that should be answered with that all revolve around Epstein.

00:23:59.900 Right. So if there isn't an explanation, you know, this is something that people should be looking at.

00:24:06.040 Well, then explain what has been going on there and why so many federal agents have gone in and out of that place.

00:24:11.300 Well, actually, that's part of it. That's part of it.

00:24:13.840 I actually think no explanation can ever suffice for a lot of what.

00:24:18.180 And that's like that's kind of totally agree.

00:24:19.780 That is the big problem that the administration is caught in is to the if is true that a ton of people care about this because his claim is no one cares about it.

00:24:27.500 But we'll see. I said 97 percent of us do who knows.

00:24:30.880 We'll see how passionate people care about that.

00:24:33.440 But like the catch 22 they're caught in is there's really any evidence they give unless it is like, oh, here's the list.

00:24:42.760 Here's the 57 people that actually were like blackmailed by Epstein.

00:24:47.720 And now they will all have to resign in disgrace.

00:24:50.500 And the system has come crashing down.

00:24:52.360 They'll say anything you release is just it's actually perpetuating the cover up like ever more and more.

00:24:57.500 More people get in on the cover up.

00:24:59.460 It's like does anything they ever release about Kennedy kill the JFK conspiracies?

00:25:04.060 No. Does anything they release about 9-11 kill 9-11 conspiracies?

00:25:07.740 No. Same thing with this.

00:25:09.420 Like if they were to release everyone like let's say it's grand jury testimony and it's all the guilt by association stuff.

00:25:16.100 Here's everyone who ever basically shook Jeffrey Epstein's hand over a 25 year period.

00:25:20.360 And then all these people are tarred by association because they met Epstein, went to some social event that he was at, knew him, exchanged emails with him.

00:25:30.100 No proof of any actual crimes that they were involved in.

00:25:34.080 And then people will just say, well, why aren't you releasing all the stuff that shows they're guilty of all those crimes too?

00:25:38.720 There will always be new things they will demand.

00:25:41.060 And I think it actually probably does behoove us to pause and like look at the evidence that we might be massively outrunning ourselves here.

00:25:52.560 Like let's take a core part of the Epstein mythos.

00:25:55.820 A core part of the Epstein mythos, like part of the proof that he is an intelligence asset, is that supposedly Alex Acosta, who was the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor involved in negotiating that plea deal he did in Florida back in the 2000s.

00:26:13.620 Supposedly he...

00:26:14.300 2008, right?

00:26:14.800 2008, I believe.

00:26:15.940 Supposedly he told the White House during the Trump years because he was coming in to take Department... Secretary of Labor, right?

00:26:22.120 He was coming in to take a cabinet position and they're like, well, you were involved in this.

00:26:27.900 That's, of course, a controversial thing.

00:26:29.840 What, why did you reach that plea deal?

00:26:32.100 Supposedly he says he was, I was told he was tied to intelligence and so I had to go easy on him.

00:26:38.320 I always hear this cited as like a thing he said on the record.

00:26:42.940 It's not.

00:26:44.180 That was never stated on the record.

00:26:45.640 That is a second-hand assertion attributed to an anonymous former administration official in a Daily Beast article in 2019.

00:26:55.400 So, anonymous, second-hand source.

00:26:59.020 And also, since then, Acosta actually went...

00:27:02.640 We have an on-the-record statement from Acosta in 2020 and he said he doesn't think that...

00:27:09.300 I think he said, like, the answer is no.

00:27:10.880 He doesn't think that he was an intelligence agent.

00:27:12.900 And Vicki Ward, the author of that 2019 Daily Beast article that had that citation, she says today she doesn't believe Epstein was a spy or working for any government.

00:27:25.760 In fact, I think we have a tape of her saying that recently.

00:27:28.700 Yeah, let's play 379.

00:27:30.680 Well, I mean, that's the other now theory doing the rounds right among, you know, that the reason no one's going to release the real data that they have is because he must have been some sort of agent or spy.

00:27:48.180 I don't think he was working for a particular government.

00:27:51.420 I don't know what your take on that is.

00:27:53.040 People of power, people of influence, who enjoyed his company.

00:28:00.280 I mean, I think we're mesmerized by him in so many ways.

00:28:06.480 And part of what was mesmerizing is that everybody came away with knowing things they did not know.

00:28:14.160 I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was certainly a conduit of all kinds of information.

00:28:19.720 So I guess based off of what you're saying then is that they could just give Ghislaine Maxwell immunity and just let her talk freely then, right?

00:28:30.160 Maybe.

00:28:30.580 I mean, that's another thing.

00:28:31.900 Have you ever, like, looked into the Ghislaine Maxwell trial?

00:28:34.740 Like, there's some stuff that's weird about it.

00:28:36.880 Yeah, we covered it, actually.

00:28:38.500 I was surprised that because there were no cameras.

00:28:42.180 So back then, not a lot of people were covering it live.

00:28:44.380 But we were doing, on my show, we were doing pretty much daily updates when that thing was coming out.

00:28:50.200 It was, believe it or not, it was four years ago when she was on trial, which is crazy to even think about.

00:28:54.920 It's been six years, by the way, since he was found dead in his cell.

00:28:59.020 So, I mean, this has been, it's just crazy when you think about how long it's been that people have really been asking this.

00:29:06.260 And I agree, though, that it's a fever pitch now because people are being told, because of the way it's been handled, because people are being told you can't have any information.

00:29:16.320 And this is totally, you know, on whoever put together that memo from a week and a half ago.

00:29:22.100 This is totally on them.

00:29:23.820 I don't think it's on the people asking for questions.

00:29:25.960 And I certainly don't think it's on voters asking for information and accountability from their government.

00:29:31.360 I think that's what MAGA is all about, accountability from the government and let the chips fall where they may.

00:29:36.240 Absolutely let the chips fall where they may.

00:29:38.020 Just release what you got.

00:29:38.900 Show us what you got.

00:29:42.220 Well, one thing on what you just said, Jack, like whoever signed off on that memo.

00:29:46.760 I mean, don't we know now that it was like Dan, Cash, and Pam?

00:29:51.460 Like they all touched the memo.

00:29:53.200 They all looked at it.

00:29:54.460 And that much has been made public now.

00:29:56.840 I think they just didn't understand how deep this goes, at least the the intrigue with the base.

00:30:05.660 And I think, you know, they know now they see they see now.

00:30:10.620 But but but I don't want to go away from what you said, Blake.

00:30:14.140 What was so weird about the Glenn Maxwell case?

00:30:16.980 What were you thinking of in your head when you said that?

00:30:18.920 Well, so, for example, this came out one of the so when they were getting jurors for the trial, they asked on the jury questionnaire, were you a victim of sexual abuse or someone close to you a victim of sexual abuse?

00:30:33.220 And this guy said no on his form.

00:30:35.940 And then it turned out that was not true.

00:30:38.460 He said he claims to have been a sexual abuse victim himself.

00:30:41.540 And his like testimony to other members of the jury about his own abuse, which was not at issue in the trial, like helped them overcome their doubts.

00:30:52.180 And like he was explaining how actually like what the process of abuse is like and how the fact that their stories are inconsistent or have holes doesn't doesn't disprove them.

00:31:01.260 It was it was like totally the the Me Too narrative that we've heard before where like, oh, if their story doesn't make sense, that's just that's because the abuse affected them so badly.

00:31:11.120 And then like afterwards, he was just straight up like celebrating with one of the alleged victims about like helping achieve this verdict outcome.

00:31:20.920 Like it was not it was very odd behavior from a juror.

00:31:24.400 Also, one of the acute one of like the four core victims in the case was like a schizophrenic who said that she had voices warning her that people were like agents were going to come and kidnap her children and take them away for sex trafficking.

00:31:37.920 Like there's a lot of weird stuff around the case.

00:31:42.320 And I think it's worth remembering that Epstein getting arrested the second time leading to a suicide that was happening at the height of Me Too.

00:31:51.800 It followed like a series of articles from the Miami Herald that basically laid out, you know, all these people who said they'd been abused by Epstein.

00:32:02.000 And I just think it's worth pausing to think, like, how much do we truly 100 percent ironclad know in this case versus like the mythology, the mythos that people have built up around this for years?

00:32:16.900 Because I feel like I often isn't that the argument, though, why you should just like put out everything you could, but it's also why there wouldn't be nearly as much as people think.

00:32:27.760 And I've heard stuff like the great mystery of why Jeffrey Epstein had so much money.

00:32:33.140 Like this is just a 100 percent thing that can't be explained.

00:32:35.600 So I finally I just went and I read biography like articles about Epstein from 2002 before he'd even been arrested or anything.

00:32:42.320 Right.

00:32:42.820 And it's like he was a math teacher and then he was super smart and incredibly good at math.

00:32:47.520 Like he's clearly a prodigy.

00:32:48.860 He was a math teacher at Dalton at like 20 and he didn't even need a college degree.

00:32:53.220 And everyone just thought they were like, you're a genius.

00:32:55.260 You should go work at that Wall Street, those banks that are doing stuff.

00:32:58.500 He gets a job at Bear Stearns.

00:33:01.060 Like, Blake, wasn't it like some one of the so it's a prestigious school.

00:33:05.580 One of the dads goes, what are you doing?

00:33:07.140 School.

00:33:07.740 Yeah.

00:33:08.280 You what are you doing teaching math in high school?

00:33:11.180 You need to go work for my friend at Bear Stearns.

00:33:13.760 Yeah.

00:33:13.920 And he goes there.

00:33:14.700 And this is this is.

00:33:15.720 Well, wait, wait.

00:33:16.460 There was also if you go back to the Dalton school, there were some issues between him and some of the students there, too.

00:33:22.700 Particularly the girl students.

00:33:24.360 Well, so he's this guy like he's he's he basically he's a guy who was insanely talented at money.

00:33:32.280 Like, I think when people say, how did this math teacher get so rich?

00:33:36.200 It often carries this implication like he was this nobody until he's 30 or 35 or something.

00:33:41.980 And then he suddenly plucked up and becomes incredibly rich really quickly when it's actually he was a math teacher when he was like 20 to 22.

00:33:48.740 Then he goes and works on Wall Street at the age you would work on Wall Street as a young adult, even today.

00:33:54.820 And he rises incredibly rapidly.

00:33:57.720 I think he joins Bear Stearns in 70, like 79 or something.

00:34:03.000 And he's like a partner within three years.

00:34:07.420 And then he supposedly like quickly jumps out and starts his own firm.

00:34:10.520 His ascent was absolutely meteoric.

00:34:13.320 And he's working with billionaire clients, supposedly with his own firm from like 1983 onwards.

00:34:19.300 And if you're employing Billy, if you're if you have billionaire clients paying you millions of dollars as a flat fee for money management from the mid 80s, you could absolutely be insanely rich by the 90s.

00:34:31.540 But Blake, but Blake, you're skipping over an important point because you've you've put that article in our chat and I read it.

00:34:37.700 The question that I had instantly reading that jump from like working on Wall Street and Bear Stearns and all of a sudden he launches his own firm.

00:34:46.440 It basically paint.

00:34:48.480 And I don't remember the author, Blake.

00:34:49.940 There's some there's some mystique around the author, too, that you brought up.

00:34:53.220 But the the author goes, well, he instantly only was accepting billionaire clients like almost instantly.

00:34:59.680 Like if you had 500 or 800 million dollar portfolios and you were saying, hey, manage my money, he'd say it's not big enough.

00:35:07.300 So this is like early mid 80s.

00:35:09.820 He's still really pretty young.

00:35:11.880 That jump alone was pretty, pretty dramatic.

00:35:15.240 Like who that was a question I had.

00:35:17.500 It's like how at such a young age with that little track record, would you be able to command billion dollars plus in 80s?

00:35:25.820 This is not billionaires now.

00:35:27.100 So that's probably only a handful back.

00:35:28.880 Yeah, that'd be many multiple billions of dollars today.

00:35:31.880 Yeah.

00:35:32.120 So that's true.

00:35:33.740 Of course, what we know is he's a charismatic guy who is very good at making friends with all manner of people.

00:35:40.000 That's the best answer.

00:35:40.880 And there was that non exciting answer.

00:35:43.900 There's that.

00:35:44.820 And there's also I think it's possible that he may be cultivated a bit of a mystique around himself.

00:35:49.240 So maybe he basically had one client, two clients.

00:35:53.140 And then the idea was he had the, you know, he kind of encouraged people to think he possibly had more.

00:35:59.500 But what we do know clearly, for example, is like with Les Wexner, who was he was basically Les Wexner's money guy from 87 to 2007.

00:36:07.900 The founder, CEO of Victoria's Secret.

00:36:11.340 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:12.100 And limited.

00:36:12.680 Yeah, and this guy, he's basically he has power of attorney over this guy in the early 90s.

00:36:19.500 He had absolute control of a multi-billionaire's money.

00:36:23.320 All his money.

00:36:23.660 And later, I will note, Wexner claims that basically Epstein embezzled large amounts of money from him.

00:36:29.040 He basically claimed he got robbed.

00:36:30.580 So that would be believable.

00:36:32.100 Like if you he was basically running this guy's money and he self enriched himself to the tune of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.

00:36:39.660 So maybe the narrative is as simple as he had one or two very rich people get really like become extremely close with him.

00:36:48.300 And he essentially exploited them certainly would not be the first such arrangement to exist in American finance or anywhere else.

00:36:56.400 And so I only bring all of that up to say there actually are mundane explanations of comparatively mundane explanations.

00:37:06.100 You don't have this thing where only, oh, he's an intelligence asset explains what he was able to do.

00:37:13.600 I think he's a smart and extremely like charismatic individual who was in Wall Street during this massive boom time can explain a lot of things.

00:37:24.100 And I think for the later stuff, like there was a sort of like mythology around him that encouraged like wild accusations, wild beliefs.

00:37:33.200 And we're sort of now coming to terms with that.

00:37:36.700 And people are finding it difficult to extricate themselves from these many, many years of like mythology building around Epstein.

00:37:44.740 Yeah, but Blake, there's things like how did he get possession of the largest, you know, mansion estate in Manhattan that was owned by the State Department?

00:37:57.040 It was owned by Wexner, wasn't it?

00:37:59.060 Like the claim is he got it from Wexner.

00:38:01.180 He sold it to him.

00:38:01.880 Is that the claim?

00:38:02.680 Yeah, so Wexner had it and then he sold it.

00:38:04.600 And there's some claims he may have sold it to him for a dollar, which would also explain if he was able to get it before he would have otherwise been able to afford it.

00:38:11.300 But he may have also just bought it normally because he made a ton of money.

00:38:16.860 I tend to agree with you.

00:38:18.100 By the way, I think that, you know, I was looking at this former prime minister, Naftali or whatever, Israeli prime minister, because, you know, post Tucker being at SAS, then the entire Israeli Jewish community was, you know, pretty up in arms that Tucker was suggesting that the tie only went between Israel, Mossad and Epstein.

00:38:39.400 And so then you have, you know, you have former Israeli prime minister, Naftali Bennett firmly denies it.

00:38:46.620 So we asked Mike Bentz about that on the show.

00:38:49.060 And Mike was like, hey, I look at this as like, you know, really an artfully written letter, essentially saying, yeah, we're not denying any ties.

00:38:57.600 He just didn't work for us.

00:38:58.900 OK, well, what is working for you mean versus having ties?

00:39:01.680 And and I tend to my the way I look at this and Blake, I think you would probably resonate with this at some level is this is a guy that's fooling around with, you know, hot women and then underage women.

00:39:13.440 He claims, you know, at the time that he didn't know any of them were underage.

00:39:16.660 I think he I think we all can ignore that. 0.98

00:39:18.580 He probably knew he probably he was doing weird crap with them.

00:39:22.400 A lot of these women claim they were victimized, all that stuff. 1.00

00:39:25.000 But he obviously had this appetite for titillation, right?

00:39:28.700 He liked the extreme things.

00:39:31.280 He was always pressing.

00:39:32.380 And again, motor of a socialite like he had this motor of an inquisitive brain of conversation.

00:39:39.380 He would call people, apparently be on the phone for 10 hours a day with overseas, you know, currency brokers.

00:39:46.220 And and he would be checking on markets all day long and building up these relationships.

00:39:50.280 And I see what he did as much on the island for himself, his own getting kicks for himself and creating this mystique.

00:40:00.240 But also it was probably good for business.

00:40:02.800 He was known as a bon vivier, right?

00:40:04.500 Like the sort of man about town, a man of mystery.

00:40:08.140 He liked to keep it that way.

00:40:10.000 And, you know, it is probable that he was doing titillating things because he found it intriguing working with intel agencies.

00:40:17.660 Right.

00:40:18.040 So doing these these offshore, you know, complicated tax shelters or layering of different businesses like this was he had a particular set of skills that he could sell out to the highest bidder.

00:40:30.340 But it didn't necessarily mean he was married to any of them.

00:40:32.520 Right.

00:40:33.100 So he might have been involved in different projects within the intel community that were seedy or unseemly.

00:40:38.260 But that was it's almost like he might have been drawn to that because it was this is the type of person he like what do you call him, Blake, a fabulist.

00:40:46.680 I think that's a fairly compelling, a fairly compelling way to look at his psychological makeup.

00:40:51.480 He would do things that that increased his mystique, that that got his kicks off, that that, you know, and that sort of pattern holds in each different area of his life.

00:41:03.240 Yeah, there are there are other articles about him that say basically in the 80s, he told people he was an intelligence agent.

00:41:09.460 I feel like, you know, the greatest intel asset of all time would would not do that.

00:41:14.160 But there are definitely fabulous who tell people all the time that they're intelligence assets and a lot of people even believe them this this actually works with a ton of people you just tell someone you work for the CIA and they don't get it disproven otherwise that they sometimes just believe it.

00:41:28.840 Uh, and so I guess like getting back to the core thing is, are we able to, does this like damage the administration or are they going to be able to extricate themselves?

00:41:45.580 I don't know, Jack, well, I think, look, I think it's already shown up in polling.

00:41:53.500 Um, I think it's going to be something that, and by the way, let's, let's keep in mind too, that the effect of the tariffs is now starting to come in where we're, we are, you know, CPI was down, which was good.

00:42:05.980 But at the same time, you know, the effect of the tariffs is starting to be seen a little bit here and there with price increases, um, around the board, you know, July usually is a very, very, like it's the doldrums of summer.

00:42:20.100 This is normally not a hot news time.

00:42:25.160 The news cycle is usually completely quiet during July.

00:42:29.380 And yet here we are with this completely heated, I mean, almost seems chosen kind of discussion and, you know, it's really one that was done with, without any reason.

00:42:40.920 As far as I know, as far as I can tell, um, there's no political or legal reason to put this memo out when they did.

00:42:49.800 And so what I think the admin here, here's the issue, right?

00:42:52.740 You don't try to say the admin has a lot of wins that they can directly point to.

00:42:57.200 They're also going to have to be spending political capital on various things here and there as, as things come up, you know, uh, ice raids, et cetera, et cetera, tariffs, um, who knows something kicks off with Ukraine or not this new arms deal that's going through.

00:43:12.240 And so this thing has turned into this, this massive, I think, um, umbrella in the sense that it's blocking out everything else that's going on.

00:43:23.520 And, and for people to think that it's just, it's a mistake to think that it'll just go away on its own.

00:43:28.800 And it's a mistake to think that people will just stop caring about it because they're told to, I don't think that's how MAGA works.

00:43:34.960 I don't think how that that's how the America first movement works.

00:43:37.320 And I don't think it's going to go away, quote unquote, until some pressure is released in some way.

00:43:46.300 Now, whether that's by a release, I would love to see a release, whether that's by a special prosecutor, I would love to see a special prosecutor.

00:43:51.960 We're now one hour away from that interview with John Solomon.

00:43:55.640 That's going to drop here with president Trump.

00:43:57.580 It was recorded earlier this morning.

00:43:59.080 So we're going to hear that as well.

00:44:00.840 But of course, the question is, are we going to actually get one?

00:44:03.680 Now I've heard, I have heard that, uh, there is a serious effort underway to appoint a special prosecutor and that names are being listed already.

00:44:14.380 So there's a list of names that's being brought together of potential, um, you know, potential individuals who could be that special prosecutor.

00:44:22.540 It's a deep state though, right?

00:44:24.220 Deep, deep state prosecutor.

00:44:26.120 So it's going to be kind of like over all this, including Epstein, but it's going to be like, so yeah, so it's, it's, you put it together, right?

00:44:33.660 So it's a deep state prosecutor, but you add Epstein to the scope memo of this broader conspiracy that they were looking at already with Russiagate, Comey, Clapper, Brennan, et cetera.

00:44:45.620 But you add, you add Epstein essentially to that as well to see if there's any nexus or be able to go.

00:44:52.800 And so for people to understand this, by the way, when you look at Mueller, right, the special counsel's office, isn't just, it's not just like one person is going over and reviewing this stuff.

00:45:01.440 They have, they have teams under them.

00:45:02.920 They have prosecutors, they have investigators, they have analysts.

00:45:05.800 So you can easily have dual, you know, dual tracks of investigations in different buckets that they're looking into underneath the office of the special counsel, if that is the route that they end up going under.

00:45:19.140 And by the way, there's also a question of whether or not this person needs to be Senate confirmed.

00:45:23.140 That's something that with some of these Supreme Court orders that came down.

00:45:27.200 Actually, Blake, that would be, that's an interesting question for you.

00:45:29.240 I know I'm, I'm kind of throwing you for, you know, didn't, didn't ask this beforehand, but is it true that with some of the court rulings on Jack Smith that a special counsel would need to be Senate confirmed?

00:45:41.460 So it's unclear because I think the court ruling was specifically about his, correct?

00:45:47.740 Or I haven't, I haven't closely looked at this, but I think that.

00:45:51.600 But you know what I'm talking about, right?

00:45:52.380 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:53.040 It's not, it's not required for an inferior.

00:45:57.360 Yeah.

00:45:57.760 It's not currently, I think they could still do it in theory.

00:46:01.080 I know Clarence Thomas basically said in like, uh, one of his concurrences that he would really like the Supreme Court to look at this, but I don't think the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled that basically special counsels are actually of that sort are actually not allowed anymore.

00:46:17.240 Uh, but you are putting me on the spot, so I don't know for sure the answer.

00:46:20.580 No, no, I am.

00:46:21.200 I don't think it was the Supreme Court either.

00:46:22.720 I think it was, I think it was just the federal court.

00:46:24.660 I think it was just a district level.

00:46:25.980 I know we all, we all were upset about Jack Smith being appointed, uh, special prosecutor, uh, without, without, uh, Senate confirmation.

00:46:35.920 And it was, I believe, uh, what was the judge down in Florida?

00:46:39.240 What was her name?

00:46:40.220 She, I think she ruled something about that as well, or she had written about that in one of her, one of her, uh, rule, Eileen Cannon. 0.84

00:46:49.160 Yeah, that's right.

00:46:50.180 Um, so I, it's a good, it's a good question.

00:46:53.980 Uh, we should, we should probably look into it.

00:47:00.100 Yeah, I think it's good.

00:47:00.940 And so for, for folks who are there, you know, I want to, um, you know, in the chat, you know, send us your stuff as well.

00:47:08.240 Um, you know, uh, freedom of Charlie Kirk.com or 1776 at humanevents.com.

00:47:15.460 Send us your, send us your comments because there's a ton out there on this.

00:47:18.940 We've spent now, uh, about 47 minutes talking about it way longer than certainly we intended to, but honestly, we could go even further because, you know, at the end of the day, I think this is a situation where people want answers.

00:47:31.320 You're starting to see, by the way, when you look at the polling, this is something where the left and the right are actually in agreement on where they want more answers to come out on this, or at least something to be done in this situation.

00:47:41.700 So it's, it's sort of becoming a self-perpetuating, uh, prophecy here where, you know, it's, it's, or self-fulfilling prophecy, I should say, where the absence of a story has created a story rather than the other way around.

00:47:54.660 And that, that goes back to, that goes back to the way it was handled.

00:47:57.800 That goes back to the way that it was set up.

00:48:00.060 But, uh, I know this is thought crime and we did have a few other topics that I wanted to get to.

00:48:06.520 And so it'd be remiss if we didn't talk about the Somali mayors.

00:48:10.940 Do you guys want to get into the Somali mayors?

00:48:13.240 Oh boy.

00:48:13.980 We, we knew this had to come someday from Minneapolis, but you know, they could have, they could have waited a bit longer, but here we are.

00:48:21.480 What's, what's his name again?

00:48:24.700 Oh, yeah, I had it.

00:48:26.680 Omar.

00:48:27.480 Omar, Omar, Omar Fateh, right?

00:48:29.320 Yeah, Omar Fateh.

00:48:29.940 Which I assume that's probably Fateh, like the word for conquest in Islam.

00:48:34.880 You know, they have, they have basically that, it's super common in like Turkey because it refers to like, oh, the Islamic conquest of, uh, the Christian empire.

00:48:43.660 But anyway, we'll have a different Islamic conquest going on in Minneapolis. 0.96

00:48:48.360 And I'm sure it will work out equally as well for the inhabitants.

00:48:51.420 So yeah, this guy, Omar Fateh, he is, uh, Somali born in, uh, the United States, but he has clips of him referring to Somalia as our country, much like Ilhan Omar also has clips of her doing that.

00:49:06.360 And he's really, uh, and he's really, uh, he's born in 1990.

00:49:08.960 He's only 35.

00:49:09.640 Oh gosh.

00:49:10.340 Oh man.

00:49:10.780 So he's basically as old as I am, but yes, he's running for mayor of a large city.

00:49:15.520 Uh, do we have, uh, what's the, uh, what's the number for it?

00:49:18.060 I should bring this up here.

00:49:18.840 Oh yeah.

00:49:19.380 So we've got, uh, he's vowing to protect all of the illegal immigrants of Minneapolis from ICE.

00:49:27.160 Let's play a 286.

00:49:28.480 Protecting all of our communities from Donald Trump means not letting MPD interact with ICE, whether it's for an immigration raid or not.

00:49:36.280 Our residents deserve a mayor that will stand up to Donald Trump and say, no, not in our community.

00:49:41.080 Did you know that the city's own data showed that 47% of calls to MPD can be diverted to non-police response?

00:49:48.660 Cops aren't social workers. 0.99

00:49:51.740 And then, uh, should we just play out, let's play the clip of him referring to, uh, Somalia, our home.

00:49:56.700 Let's play, uh, 309.

00:49:59.480 I understand that our Somali communities are all connected to each other, um, here in Minnesota and back home.

00:50:06.720 And I ask for your support.

00:50:09.120 Uh, there's always been a link between our community here, um, as well as back home.

00:50:14.660 And I'm running to bridge that gap and unite all of us and represent all of us.

00:50:19.200 Because when we succeed here, we succeed everywhere.

00:50:22.260 And I'm hoping to do that just like Abdulazzaq, inshaAllah.

00:50:24.820 InshaAllah.

00:50:25.820 InshaAllah.

00:50:26.820 Back home.

00:50:27.820 Back home.

00:50:28.820 Back home.

00:50:29.820 Back home in the motherland.

00:50:30.820 Back home in.

00:50:31.820 Back home.

00:50:32.820 In Somalia.

00:50:33.820 Back home.

00:50:34.820 This is the, this is the issue.

00:50:36.880 And so apparently unheard is like writing an article about me, uh, this week.

00:50:42.220 And they asked me about this.

00:50:44.220 What do you mean?

00:50:44.840 Because I said, I said, this guy's clearly not an American.

00:50:46.920 And I said the same thing about Zora Mamdani.

00:50:49.160 And what I'm getting at is we have at some point, this is, this is a broader debate.

00:50:55.500 And it's, it's honestly something that I think is one of the most pressing issues in America

00:50:59.440 today, because we now have these foreign enclaves inside the United States, which are completely, 0.84

00:51:07.120 as you can hear from their own words, that they, they bear allegiance to the homeland,

00:51:12.840 the motherland, they bear affinity towards them.

00:51:15.580 And this is something, by the way, that our founding fathers were very directly worried

00:51:20.280 about and very directly concerned about the idea of allegiance to foreign powers.

00:51:24.520 It's something that all of them spoke at great length about, but then when you combine that

00:51:29.760 with, uh, new factors such as the internet and social media, which allow for this direct

00:51:36.180 communication, direct consumption of media from that area, news from that area, FaceTime,

00:51:41.520 uh, group chats, et cetera, you really don't even need to assimilate at all within the home

00:51:48.060 country anymore, the Western country, the host country, if you will, and they can grow

00:51:53.560 and grow exponentially in, in many cases, uh, particularly Somalia.

00:51:57.900 Yeah. But then there's also this question of birthright citizenship. So this individual Omar

00:52:05.280 Fatah, which by the way, I, I looked this up before the show, I wasn't able to get a definitive

00:52:09.900 answer as to whether or not his parents ever attained us citizenship at all. I think it said

00:52:15.320 that they came when they were younger as students. And yet I have no information as to whether or not

00:52:21.180 they ever attained us obtained us citizenship. And yet here he is running for mayor. He's a

00:52:27.700 us citizen. And yet he bears allegiance to Somalia. He saw the same thing with Zora Mondami, who is

00:52:34.440 someone who just became a citizen a couple of years ago and is now running and probably will be the next

00:52:39.840 mayor of New York. Although I believe the polling has tightened up a little bit in that race where

00:52:45.100 it's, it, I think it just bears, you know, and for everybody, you know, open it up. It just bears

00:52:51.140 this bigger question of, you know, does a piece of paper make you an American? Does a piece of paper

00:52:58.240 mean, Oh, well, here you go. You're an American now. Cause this piece of paper, the stamp says

00:53:02.520 you're American. And I would argue that that's not what a nation is. And I would argue that these

00:53:09.300 ethnic enclaves and mass immigration absolutely do dilute our national character and our national 1.00

00:53:16.000 identity. And a nation is a breathing, living, organic thing. And every other nation around the

00:53:24.920 world and all throughout history would agree with us in this aspect. And it's this belief in this weird

00:53:31.800 1960s version of the country that, uh, Oh, that like anybody can just automatically become an American

00:53:38.700 has led to some really, really bad outcomes. So, uh, a kind of fact that's interesting regarding

00:53:43.940 whether his parents became citizens. Uh, so I'm reading here, this is from migration policy.org,

00:53:49.880 but, uh, did you know that of all immigrants from any country of that we have like a sizable number

00:53:55.360 of Somalis have the highest naturalization rate of actually going through the process of becoming

00:54:00.580 citizens? 68% of all immigrants from Somali have gone full all the way and become citizens. Uh, 0.92

00:54:07.240 whereas the average overall is just 52%. So they're like way above the norm. And I think it's worth 1.00

00:54:14.900 confronting that it's worth talking about that because I would hazard to say that Somalis are

00:54:20.420 probably among the groups with the highest rate of like probably going on state support, receiving,

00:54:26.860 uh, welfare in various ways. They probably have lower employment rates than a large number of

00:54:32.580 immigrant groups. And we've seen it play out multiple times where you have frankly, insane 1.00

00:54:39.320 feeding frenzies on, uh, on government money that route through the Somali community. Uh,

00:54:46.120 anyone who's unfamiliar with it should look up the, uh, feeding our future scandal. That was a COVID era

00:54:52.740 program where a, they basically were receiving money, uh, to provide meals to children during COVID.

00:55:00.400 And they took hundreds of millions of dollars. And if you look at the indictment for this,

00:55:06.140 it, every single person involved is a, has a, like, has a Muslim name except for like the one,

00:55:13.640 like white, like white Lutheran woman who's like at the very top of the organization. It's like her 0.78

00:55:18.280 and then everyone else below it. And they're basically just taking cash and like shipping it

00:55:22.460 directly to Somalia that they got through this thing. All of everything about it from top to bottom

00:55:27.320 was fake. And it really like has to stand out. Like there's an, there's just a clear cut difference

00:55:33.260 in my view from like one guy and you know, maybe embezzling money from a company he works at or

00:55:39.640 someone robbing a store or something. And this like real, like hundreds or dozens of people,

00:55:45.680 possibly hundreds participating in this systematic plundering of the government so they can route money

00:55:52.120 to their like ethnic subgroup. And then when they were trying to prosecute this, people were

00:55:57.740 offered like multi, like tens of thousands of dollar bribes. Like we had jurors who were just

00:56:02.400 offered bribes. This was caught. This was detected. It's like absolutely insane what has happened

00:56:10.100 because they've built up this large sub-national community in Minneapolis. And I think, you know,

00:56:17.000 Matt Walsh went viral the other day for just asking, I challenge anyone, he said, to provide

00:56:23.280 a single way America has benefited from Somali immigration. And the simple answer is, but no, 0.94

00:56:30.160 but no, it's no, no, that's, that's not true. Blake, that's not true because I was able to answer

00:56:38.080 and rise to the occasion of Matt Walsh's challenge because does anyone remember sports illustrated a

00:56:44.520 couple of years ago, the burkini? Yes, that's right. The burkini is what we have. Thanks to Somali 1.00

00:56:50.900 Americans. God bless, excuse me, Allah bless the burkini, the wonderful burkini.

00:56:58.060 You don't want to get caught wearing a burkini in Minnesota and the wintertime. It's a little nippy. 1.00

00:57:05.980 I think it's really interesting what's happening in Minnesota. The back, the history, the political

00:57:11.600 history of, uh, Minnesota is you're starting to see a significant shift. Uh, Kamala Harris only

00:57:19.100 barely squeaked out Minnesota this last go around. And a lot of this has to do with the fact that

00:57:24.640 Minnesota has one of the few, uh, not Democrat, proper Democrat parties. They have what's called

00:57:31.640 a DFL. So it's the democratic farmers and labor party there. There was a merger that happened. I think

00:57:38.600 it was pre-World War II, somewhere in the early 1900s that they merged together. And it was the

00:57:43.740 farmer, the farmers, mostly farmers, but farmer and labor, uh, party merged together with the Democrat

00:57:49.500 party. And now you have today this circumstance where it's like, you've got a complete takeover

00:57:56.740 of, you know, outsiders coming into the, coming into the state of Minnesota and people finally,

00:58:04.920 there are Democrats are waking up and we see this now happening in the outskirts. And again,

00:58:09.840 where the DFL really dominated for the better part of a century, which was, you know, in the more

00:58:16.020 rural parts of Minnesota that have now gone Republican. Now you have Republican congressmen

00:58:20.420 that are there and, and that for the first time in a long time, uh, the Western part of the state

00:58:26.140 went Republican a few years ago. And so you, you are seeing a shift and a change and this is becoming

00:58:32.560 right down lines. And so I do think that the outcome of having such radicalized foreign nationals 1.00

00:58:43.160 come in is probably, is, is for sure, certainly driving Democrat proper rural areas, more Republican.

00:58:51.020 Um, the question is, is that going to be fast enough and enough votes to offset the, the, the growth

00:58:58.100 that we're seeing with the invitation of all these foreign nationals coming into cities like

00:59:03.520 Minneapolis, where you have to ultimately abandon your state and just the entire rural area basically

00:59:10.020 just has to live underneath, you know, a Somalian empire that has been created within your state. 0.95

00:59:16.080 And people are waking up to that now. And like the average Democrats, moderate Democrats are like,

00:59:20.800 oh my gosh, like, I don't agree with any of this. I'm going to vote Republican as DFL members.

00:59:28.260 And that's the reason why they have like a million, they have estimated more than a million

00:59:32.860 more voters than Republicans do. The DFL does in Minnesota. And yet Donald Trump only lost the

00:59:41.520 state by whatever it was like 3%. Yeah. Like it's crazy. So this is the same issue with,

00:59:48.500 with New York city that's going on right now. It's like, there is like letting them hang

00:59:53.160 themselves a little bit is that there you're going to have this shift as these things continue

00:59:58.700 to happen. I would much rather, and this is a thought crimey subject here because people will

01:00:04.020 debate me and say I'm stupid all day long for saying this, but I would much rather have a foreign 0.98

01:00:08.760 national get elected incidentally as mayor of a big city that we've already lost anyways to 0.95

01:00:15.060 commie Dems who are constantly brokering deals in the background because it's going to actually 0.90

01:00:20.800 have a net positive, uh, right word shift outcome when people don't like what they see.

01:00:27.660 I just think, yeah, I mean, I, I've been, I've been, I went kind of viral for talking about this at,

01:00:33.420 at SAS and, uh, you know, I, I, I don't care. Like I, it's just, it's gone too far at this point.

01:00:40.640 Everyone knows what an American is. This is way too much. It's, and it's, it's just too far. The 0.98

01:00:45.660 whole thing has just gone too far. And I think that's why the average in American is like, I don't

01:00:50.500 want to hear any of these flowery arguments about, oh, this is why we need this. And this is why we

01:00:56.400 need the mall of America to be overrun by Somalians anymore. Like just, just, it's just too much. 1.00

01:01:02.380 I'm with you, Jack. I, you know, I, I am a hundred percent American. I'm going to die here.

01:01:08.620 I'm going to raise my kids here. I know what an American is. And when I see guys like Fata,

01:01:14.940 Omar Fata or Zoram Andani, or there's just some guy in Detroit that's running for Senate in

01:01:20.420 Michigan. I forget his name. I just instantly think immigration moratorium. I want an immigration 0.99

01:01:27.080 moratorium. I want less legal immigration because it's obviously getting gamed. It's chain migration 1.00

01:01:32.620 crap where they just bring all their, their nephews and nieces and their aunties and their uncles 0.99

01:01:37.520 over. And they say, oh, look, we've got this United States and we can just fleece the system. 1.00

01:01:43.180 And oh yeah, we happen to be Muslim. And which means we're called to politically dominate the

01:01:49.080 host country like a parasite. And we're going to play into their, their sympathies and their

01:01:55.820 weaknesses because they, all these white people are scared of being called racist. And so we're

01:02:00.260 going to use their rules against them and we're going to take over. And then you get this red,

01:02:04.640 green alliance where they're all sort of race Marxists and socialists. And they want to extract

01:02:09.520 the wealth of hardworking Americans to give it away to all these people we just imported because we're

01:02:15.020 all racist, apparently that. And so the whole, the whole thing is a ball of wax. It's a mess. And

01:02:23.420 if anybody with half a brain and kudos to Matt Walsh for saying it knows that this does us no good.

01:02:29.800 This does us zero good. You don't even like, I don't even know about Somali food, right? At least 1.00

01:02:35.820 with like Mexican immigrants, you can say, I like the tacos. Okay. And they're Catholic, but with 1.00

01:02:40.180 Somalis, you got, it's the Muslim portion of it where I'm sorry, you're not going to assimilate the 1.00

01:02:46.360 same way that a Christian nation will assimilate. And you've also got no good food. And these people, 0.99

01:02:53.100 I'm sorry, of all the countries on planet earth, where you could make an argument that,

01:02:58.120 oh, they bring some sort of like good aspects of their culture. And Somalia is a disaster. And 1.00

01:03:04.540 it's a disaster for a reason. It's called the quality of the people. And it's called the quality

01:03:08.540 of the culture, the quality of the governance. There is no, I mean, look at, look no further

01:03:13.340 than Ilhan Omar. This woman is a train wreck. She's an ingrate. She has made Congress worse. 1.00

01:03:19.300 She's a disgrace to Congress. She's a disgrace to Minnesota. The fact that she's getting elected 1.00

01:03:24.100 is only as a result of poor immigration policies. So yeah, I'm done with it. I want an immigration 1.00

01:03:29.900 moratorium. That's it. Net zero. We just take in as many as we get out. We'll do some genius visas. 1.00

01:03:37.300 We're going to automate everything. Enough of this crap. And by the way, there is, and Blake, 0.98

01:03:41.660 you know this better than me, but there is data to support. When we look at our fertility rates across

01:03:47.200 the West, when you start importing the third world, if fertility rates, maybe they were already 0.99

01:03:53.600 low to begin with. That might just be a factor of modernity. I'm not saying there's only one

01:03:57.380 variable here, but when you start importing the third world and you are growing up and you become

01:04:02.520 of age to start having kids and you think, you don't necessarily feel tied to the culture that

01:04:07.680 you're inhabiting anymore. You don't look around and go like, I want my kids to inherit my country 0.97

01:04:12.500 because it's my country. There's like some weird psychological pattern that unfolds and you

01:04:18.180 don't, you don't, that doesn't trigger when you feel like your country doesn't belong to you

01:04:22.240 anymore. And I'm sorry, I'm old enough to remember an America that looked dramatically different than

01:04:29.380 this. And guess what? It was better. It was more cohesive. It was, it was more singing from the same

01:04:34.080 song sheet. And, and you know, so point is, Blake, make, I don't know what, Blake, you sent the,

01:04:40.480 some, some research paper on, on basically declining birth rates and high immigration zones.

01:04:46.540 Like high immigration of like, of other groups, like it suppresses, it lowers like a fertility 1.00

01:04:52.060 rate of the actual like natives of the country. And that also can just exacerbate what people,

01:04:58.620 I think so much of this just happens because people are bad at math. Like every time mass

01:05:03.600 immigration projects have been started, it always starts with someone saying this won't like

01:05:08.020 fundamentally change the nature of the country. And it always fundamentally changes the nature

01:05:12.040 of the country. Which Ted Kennedy said in 1965. Yes. He said it about us. And like they said it in

01:05:16.740 other countries, they told this to the Britons before they started bringing everyone in. They've

01:05:20.660 told it to the French. They've told it to all sorts of people. And the answer is just, it's not true,

01:05:25.840 especially at the scale they are doing it. And it's really like outrageous. You know what? I'm going to,

01:05:31.300 I'm going to divert this thing. We need to actually highlight this because we haven't mentioned it on

01:05:35.240 Charlie's show yet. And we need to make sure it happens. In the UK, did you see this story,

01:05:39.720 Tyler? In the UK, the government, they initiated an operation to bring 24,000 Afghans from Afghanistan

01:05:48.560 to Britain. And then they got a court order. They got a judge to order that it was illegal

01:05:53.980 to report on this. It was illegal for the press to notify the public that this was happening.

01:05:59.580 They spent 7 billion pounds on this to fly them to the UK. Even as, I'm not making this up,

01:06:06.820 the government did an internal report that one, that actually they're not really in any danger

01:06:11.100 from the Taliban. And this is probably not necessary. And two, by the way, a lot of these

01:06:15.660 migrants will probably be radicalized because the UK is a dump and they're going to decide that it 1.00

01:06:20.640 sucks and they're going to become terrorists. Yeah. I just am in awe of how crappy Britain is. 1.00

01:06:27.320 And I just had to bring that up. Here's what's crazy. Look at the average birth rate of a Somali. 0.98

01:06:31.960 This plays into what you're talking about, Blake. Look at the average birth rate. I know we have

01:06:35.740 this here. It's 380. Throw it up in the middle. This is in Somalia. Okay. Granted, this is not

01:06:41.300 Somalians in America, but you can imagine the culture. This is 6.2 Somalis per woman, per woman.

01:06:48.440 This is 2022. Our birth rate is around 1.6, 1.65 per woman in the United States. You bring over 1.00

01:06:55.880 100,000 of them. And the Minnesota DFL woman only has negative babies, actually. So the average 1.00

01:07:03.260 DFL woman. I don't know what that means, but I haven't seen it. It's two abortions per DFL 0.99

01:07:09.880 number. Anyway, so I just wanted to make sure that stack got decided. But Blake, to your point,

01:07:16.560 when you bring over 24,000 Afghans or whatever, I don't know their birth rate off the top of my head,

01:07:20.980 but I'm assuming it's higher than your average Western woman. You're not just bringing over 24,000.

01:07:25.480 You're bringing over people that are going to go on the dole. You're bringing over higher crime.

01:07:29.680 You're bringing over probably sex pests. And we've seen this throughout Europe. And you're 0.77

01:07:35.320 bringing over all of their increased birth rates. So when you're talking about math and you go to

01:07:42.500 Somalia, the Somalians going into Minneapolis, if you start doing the charts of how one population

01:07:51.520 is going to keep growing, plus, and the other one shrinking, plus you talk about chain migration,

01:07:59.500 like this problem may have already become too big to solve in a place like Minnesota.

01:08:05.520 Yeah. And also, speaking of the birth rate scam, this is part of what they'll do. One,

01:08:09.160 they'll say, like, we need this to keep our birth rate high enough to avoid our pensions becoming

01:08:13.120 collapsing. Or like, we need them to fill like all the holes in our employment system. But it's

01:08:19.160 literally a scam from top to bottom. Because especially if they're coming from Afghanistan 1.00

01:08:23.560 or Somalia, these groups have vastly higher rates of unemployment, vastly higher rates of going on every

01:08:29.360 form of welfare. And like, multi-generationally, you'll just be have a huge share of them be not in

01:08:36.240 the workforce. Again, let's look at Britain. It's worse than that. It's worse than that. During

01:08:40.680 the Biden years, our tax dollars were going to fund NGOs to help them understand how to game the

01:08:47.180 system. So then they would get here and then we paid to help them fleece us. So you want to know

01:08:52.260 what the scariest part is? In most of these states where they bring in Middle Easterners or Africans 1.00

01:08:58.860 from these countries, most of the places that they go to work now, they are coached through the

01:09:07.780 healthcare system and social work. So a lot of the individuals, this is why you're seeing this is

01:09:13.700 you'll have, and again, this is just a scary fact. You have international migrants coming here with 1.00

01:09:24.920 absolutely no skills whatsoever. They're put through things that we pay for to put them through school

01:09:31.160 for healthcare working, like nursing, end-of-life care type stuff, senior care type stuff, social work

01:09:41.120 type stuff. And that's who's now taking care of our elderly here in America. People who are brand new 0.99

01:09:49.040 here to this country don't even speak the language. And now they're, now we're sticking them in just 1.00

01:09:54.600 basically, you know, uh, change, change diapers and on, on seniors and feed them and get them up and

01:10:03.200 out of bed and into, and, and that to me is just like a very scary thing as well. When you think about

01:10:09.240 it is that, you know, when we talk about the, how society has changed so much with young people,

01:10:15.940 not getting jobs and doing this, the tasks that we expect now foreigners to do, we're outsourcing 1.00

01:10:23.480 foreign labor to take care of our seniors. So they're, they're taking over jobs that young people should 1.00

01:10:29.700 have. They're also taking jobs that you should probably be doing as a family. We're talking about the

01:10:36.100 complete disruption of American societal values, top to bottom, all because they want to, you know,

01:10:44.040 institute foreign labor into, into the U S and this is like a very common thing. Like in Minnesota,

01:10:48.640 it says the number one, the number one job that Somalis have is, is social work. Yeah. Like you end up 1.00

01:10:55.560 like where the main job, the main job they end up being qualified for is like managing how much

01:11:00.540 assistance their community needs to function. And like, I always worth reminding people like the main,

01:11:06.960 remember the infamous Ilhan Omar marrying her brother story. It's not a story of like incest. No, no one

01:11:11.840 actually really argues she had sex with her brother or something. It's entirely a story of

01:11:15.760 just gaming, the scamming this dumb system. It is an entire group who's like main livelihood is 0.99

01:11:20.820 scamming the system and teaching others how to get a guest on Charlie show the other day. Do you know

01:11:24.280 what group has the highest autism rate in the world? Minnesota Somalis way higher than anyone else.

01:11:31.260 Guess what? You get tons of money when your kid is diagnosed as autistic. So it's like, you just look at

01:11:37.100 it and it's from top to bottom. It's like, what is the economic livelihood of this immigrant group

01:11:41.700 that we brought into America? It is literally skimming off like the surplus that everyone else in

01:11:47.840 Minnesota is able to create. Why would any country do this? So number one is social work. Number two 0.83

01:11:54.580 in Minnesota is healthcare and it's servicing, which isn't like real healthcare. It's like

01:11:59.180 senior care like we're talking about. Number three is teachers of Somali heritage and Somali

01:12:08.480 bilingual teachers. They provide all the bilingual educators you need in public schools because

01:12:14.440 there's so many kids who don't speak English. So this, this is what I want to, this is my point

01:12:19.880 though, right? When we create these ethnic enclaves, what we're doing is you're not making someone a

01:12:25.980 hyphenated American. You're not even making someone a little bit American. They're not

01:12:29.540 Somalian American. They're just Somalians. They're just Somalians in America. That's even if you listen 0.99

01:12:34.900 to Omar Fatah, that's exactly how he describes it. He describes it as this sort of like, like it's an

01:12:40.460 exurb, like it's a, a separate part of Somalia that's in America. He's telling the truth. That's 0.99

01:12:47.180 exactly what's going on. And so when I say he's not an American, that's what I'm referring to. 0.99

01:12:53.040 I understand that on a piece of paper, he's a legal citizen. I get all that. I get birthright

01:12:58.520 citizenship, but I'm talking about is something much bigger and much broader. Become an American

01:13:02.780 is a multi-generational process. It absolutely is. And in this case, they don't even seem to be

01:13:10.560 interested in embarking on that. I want to go, I think we have this clip. It's clip 384.

01:13:15.680 And this is from the Mall of America today.

01:13:21.540 Like currently.

01:13:24.140 It's B-roll.

01:13:25.200 And, and, and yeah, it's just B-roll.

01:13:27.100 Wait, this was today?

01:13:29.020 No, no, no, no, no, no. Like, like in modern times.

01:13:31.320 Like modern day.

01:13:31.720 Oh, yeah.

01:13:32.500 Like modern.

01:13:33.200 I have another one from the nineties. I'm going to play.

01:13:35.600 And this was just, I guess some fight at the Mall of America recently, you know, that was

01:13:43.460 going on, which I've never been to. Have you guys ever been there? I've never been there.

01:13:46.680 Yeah. So I remember my parents going there. My dad had to go on a work trip to Minnesota

01:13:51.160 when I was like in like, I don't know, third grade or something.

01:13:54.020 And they went to the Mall of America and was like, you went to the Mall of America? And my,

01:14:00.180 like my dad had pictures they took on like, is like, you know, the windup camera and stuff

01:14:05.660 like that. They had developed with my mom and it was like, like an, and they brought back like

01:14:10.700 a shirt from the Mall of America. And it was like, this is an incredible place. Like this is

01:14:15.860 like, you can see it from space. Like it's like people like really wanted to, you know, go see it

01:14:22.140 and be there. And now you have this. Now you have like, it's like a third world country inside

01:14:28.200 Mall of America. So like a lot of our big cities.

01:14:31.700 I pulled this up and this went hyper viral. This went hyper viral on, uh, on Twitter right after the,

01:14:39.720 this, and this is, so we have footage of the opening, right? When the Mall of America opened

01:14:45.160 in 1992 and the crowds that were there. And again, this is something where,

01:14:52.140 I remember when this happened. I remember what I was old enough to remember when this opened.

01:14:57.200 I remember this, this whole thing. So let's play clip 385.

01:15:06.200 Oh, it's just B-roll too.

01:15:10.200 This was 1992.

01:15:12.880 1992. Oh, the, the audio of this is great. Um, I wish we had it because there's,

01:15:18.060 they're just talking about how fun it is to be there. You know, how, how excited they are to be

01:15:23.900 there. You also get into these, this sort of like, I don't know, there's sort of like nineties

01:15:28.700 American archetypes that just don't quite exist anymore. Like there's a guy who's like a collector.

01:15:33.920 There's a guy who's there to just sort of, um, it's towards the end where he's just,

01:15:38.700 he just visits American landmarks and likes to take pictures of them. So it's sort of like a

01:15:43.120 precursor to selfie culture, I guess, where he's just sort of sitting there and it's amazing because

01:15:48.020 he's just sort of enjoying the moment saying, yep, I really love this mall of America and I'm

01:15:52.940 really excited to be here. You could tell he's just so genuine about it where he's, he's not

01:15:57.740 posting it to some blog or he's not posting it to some, uh, you know, social media account where

01:16:03.240 he's just enjoying it because it's part of America. And that's what he loves. Uh, I'm being told

01:16:09.080 by producer Fahs in the chat that is the home of the first nitro WCW nitro. So a ton of,

01:16:15.160 yeah, just a ton of, you know, a ton of history that's gone through there. That's like,

01:16:20.820 it's just totally gone. It's just an America that doesn't exist anymore. I don't know.

01:16:23.920 What do you guys think? Yeah, it's gone. It's actually really sad. I follow, uh, dead malls

01:16:29.820 on Reddit and just like you can, they show up the pictures of before and after like the malls

01:16:36.260 when they opened or like in the nineties and then like what they look like today.

01:16:40.020 And people like take video cameras in there. And I think one of the saddest things for me,

01:16:44.580 it's just like, uh, for it is what it is. And I talk about this with like my, my grandparents

01:16:50.020 who we talk all the time about driving movie theaters and stuff like that. And just like,

01:16:55.300 like the entire, the lore of like how America used to be. And for us it's, it's malls. Right.

01:17:01.400 And just to see that. And I forget, you forget you haven't been in a mall in like a long time.

01:17:06.240 Some malls are still open and you'll go in every once in a while. Like here in Arizona,

01:17:09.860 we still have Scottsdale fashion square. They're still open, but it's not the same as what it used

01:17:15.520 to be. And where it was like, you just had a mall and every big city and you would go and it was

01:17:21.580 such a big deal. And there were like kids would go and hang out all day long and you would see

01:17:26.620 this stuff and it's just gone. Like the, the culture of America shifted, I think with cell phones,

01:17:32.940 like the pretty much when the iPhone was developed and you just don't. And then obviously like Amazon

01:17:39.320 and everything else, but you just don't have any of that anymore. And the personal interaction that

01:17:43.660 exists, the human interaction, the going there, getting excited about it, being there. And like

01:17:48.960 a big part of that was like, you went with like your family, like you went with your mom or your dad

01:17:53.080 and like they were, they would like give you like five bucks. They'd be like, don't spend that

01:17:56.860 everywhere. Right. Like, and you would go like, you know, to like the, you know, dairy queen or

01:18:02.180 whatever it was, or like hot dog on a stick and you'll eat whatever, what's those pretzels and eat

01:18:06.760 whatever you had there. And it was like, that was like such a, like a mentally different time. And

01:18:12.700 now it's like nothing like that exists. Like, where do you, we have, wait guys, I think we've cleaned

01:18:17.720 this up. It's let's play it again. Clip 385 with audio. The mother of all shopping crowds was 0.98

01:18:27.680 waiting as the doors open. Yes. Shop till you drop. We are professional shoppers. By noon,

01:18:34.180 the two parking ramps were filled with 13,000 cars and that sent the mall's war room into action.

01:18:40.420 We were able to divert to offsite parking properly and efficiently and effectively within five minutes.

01:18:46.380 There was congestion on the roads, but the plan seemed to work. Meanwhile, the traffic jam continued

01:18:52.940 inside the mall. It took almost an hour to get on some of the most popular amusement rides and the

01:19:00.180 wait continued in the food line. I now I'm looking up. Uh, so remember when that, uh, kid got thrown off

01:19:09.520 the balcony at the mall of America by, uh, was it a Somali migrant who did it? I think it was. 1.00

01:19:16.380 Mm-hmm. Uh, anyway, he lived, he's actually doing okay. So that's good. The New York post of all

01:19:20.860 things did a followup article about him. He's, he's doing all right now. So that's good, but he

01:19:25.420 probably shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony in the first place. That would, I think that was

01:19:29.040 avoidable and lamentable. So the big, the biggest difference between outside of not, no longer having

01:19:34.500 malls everywhere and, you know, normal Americans walking through them is that we have no malls and just 0.95

01:19:40.380 like a bunch of mentally ill people and a bunch of foreign migrants running around most of our 1.00

01:19:46.040 cities. Great job, America. Doing well. So one of the, Tyler, one of the things you're talking about 1.00

01:19:52.380 is the idea of third spaces. Um, I've talked about this quite a bit. I used to do this, this thing,

01:19:58.120 we call it a pizza hut nationalism where, you know, a pizza hut wouldn't necessarily count as a third

01:20:03.180 space, but it was sort of like third spaces were places that you were going to, that it wasn't

01:20:10.020 work. It wasn't school. And it also wasn't home. And it was just a place that you would go to that you

01:20:18.600 would exist in where you would commune with people, where you would meet people and you'd sort of bump

01:20:25.940 into people from in, you know, in the real world. And you weren't, you weren't just there to like pick

01:20:31.560 up something and leave where you would actually spend time. And, uh, churches are a great example

01:20:36.480 of third spaces. So churches are sort of one of the only ones left, but with the death of malls,

01:20:41.120 you, you really lost this communal gathering place. So that used to be the town square. It used to be

01:20:47.200 just sort of your, your community center. And we've totally lost that in real life. I mean,

01:20:53.080 these were places where you could go on a date. It's where you could meet your girlfriend or boyfriend.

01:20:59.280 It's where you could spend time without mom and dad, like totally looking over your shoulder when

01:21:04.400 you were, you know, a teenager, but you were still in a generally, you know, controlled, safe

01:21:08.900 environment. And to be sure, you know, part of there, there's a lot of factors that play here

01:21:15.300 in, uh, in all these things, the death of malls, uh, the internet certainly played a huge role in

01:21:20.420 that. Financialization played a huge role in that. The rise of crime has played a massive role,

01:21:24.960 but specifically for the mall of America. I just don't think that you can accurately tell that

01:21:31.200 story. If you don't include the massive influx of Somali migrants that took place over the last,

01:21:38.960 uh, 15, 20 years, you just, you just can't talk about the story of them all. And this in a sense

01:21:44.360 is sort of a microcosm of America writ large that, you know, there it was this incredible,

01:21:51.300 you know, and just, just play those, you play the B roll again, guys, as we're talking about it,

01:21:56.140 this, this was in our lifetime that places like this existed and they were great and they were

01:22:02.040 fun. And you could go there and, and go shopping and get a book to read and go pick up something and

01:22:09.780 meet some people and eat some food, do whatever. And you didn't have to worry about crime. You didn't

01:22:15.380 have to worry about getting your children thrown off of the top railing and just stories like that.

01:22:20.980 About that, I should, I should correct before it gets clipped by someone. It was not a Somali 1.00

01:22:25.600 migrant who did that. That was a false story that spread on the internet. So I want to correct fake

01:22:29.620 news. It was just a normal crazy person, I guess. Uh, so I wanted to throw that out there, but still

01:22:36.120 shouldn't have been thrown off the balcony. Well, and, and this is like what you're talking about,

01:22:41.080 Jack is thanks for that correction, Blake. Good work. Wait, wait a self, wait a self clean up there. Um,

01:22:48.820 but what you're talking about in those third places is like what we saw in a lot of the sitcoms and

01:22:54.860 stuff like that on TV, right? Like, it's like, that's the Arnold's drive-in from happy days.

01:22:59.340 That's the max from saved by the bell. That's like, that's, that's like, we have talked about

01:23:05.020 this before on, on the show where it's like those existed central perk and friends, central perk and

01:23:10.900 friends, right? Like those monks restaurant, those weren't created on Seinfeld. Those weren't created on

01:23:16.800 sitcoms. Those, those were actually a part of America, American life. And they kind of don't

01:23:21.500 really exist anymore. Like, you know, the fast food, like, especially post COVID, one of the

01:23:27.300 things, the horrifying things is like, they've opened up all these restaurants now, including

01:23:30.400 Chick-fil-A's that they don't even have a diner. It's like, you, they don't even want that. They

01:23:35.920 want, they want you to drive through or pick up or get delivered on apps. And, you know, this goes

01:23:41.500 back to kind of the very, you know, 1984 stuff that we talk about, which is, you know, what

01:23:48.240 is the ultimate goal of some of the overlords that are out there? And it's like human interaction

01:23:53.640 actually turns out to be really bad for people who want to control you. Like they don't want

01:23:58.920 you.

01:23:59.380 I don't, I really think people, it's sad to say, but I think people choose this. Like people

01:24:03.600 choose to not go out.

01:24:05.560 I think people choose it at times, right? Like the antisocial, whatever you want to,

01:24:11.020 I'm too fast paced. I've got too much going on, especially in American Americanism. But

01:24:14.500 the point is, is that it is easier to control people when you have less of that.

01:24:19.880 It is, but I just, that's like what the, I don't know. It makes me think of like, you

01:24:23.260 know, I think it's so easy to say like, oh, they want to control us and people just don't

01:24:27.460 want to confront the fact, well, they stay inside a lot. Like what do people, what are

01:24:30.640 people doing with their time? They're watching huge amounts of TV, whether it's literal

01:24:35.280 TV, they'll be like, oh, I don't watch TV, but you watch five hours of YouTube videos

01:24:39.320 and live streams a day and all of that, like TikToks. Yeah. If you're, if you're watching

01:24:43.500 two hours of TikToks a day, like you're just watching two hours of television, except like 0.97

01:24:47.540 even dumber than usual television. 0.94

01:24:50.220 And you can't even talk about it because you have nothing to talk about. 0.98

01:24:52.300 Yeah. Then there's nothing to talk about. Yeah. So like, and people are like choosing

01:24:55.660 to door dash their food rather than go eat it in a place. And I think it's, it's too

01:25:01.680 simple to just say like, oh, like mass migration or whatever killed them all. I think it played 0.58

01:25:06.260 a role in killing a lot of them, but a lot of it is just people are kind of, they're, they're

01:25:11.680 retreating from living lives out in public and they're retreating from socialization. And

01:25:19.060 that is an unfortunate reality, reality we have to reckon with.

01:25:24.120 And you can't, you can't just say that's happening because, uh, and I agree there are

01:25:29.060 more distractions online, but that's also because the public spaces have absolutely

01:25:35.000 deteriorated in, in places like the mall of America or, you know, it's definitely

01:25:40.660 migration plays a huge role.

01:25:42.220 I think it's a subconscious thing. I think it's a subconscious thing when you, when you,

01:25:47.040 you go out and you subconsciously don't recognize or feel like you're part of that

01:25:52.180 community. When you think your third places, like your parks and your public spaces and

01:25:56.920 your public pools and your malls, they don't feel comfortable anymore. They don't feel safe.

01:26:02.200 You, you just, it's probably a slight change of behavior of degrees over years. And then

01:26:07.820 before you know it, enough people are feeling the same thing that they've retreated from

01:26:11.780 those, those spots, at least in a place that's, that's to, to a level that then becomes really

01:26:17.720 obvious. And then there's a degradation of like normal, hardworking, law-abiding,

01:26:24.360 normal people in those places. And so then they go to other places. Maybe they go to more

01:26:29.220 exclusive places. Maybe it's the country club, maybe it's higher end restaurants, but then it,

01:26:33.860 then, then you start seeing this effect that everything starts costing more because our free

01:26:37.680 stuff is no longer palatable for a large part of the population. You can call those people racist

01:26:42.920 if you want, or you could just get to the point where, guess what? It's called cultural displacement

01:26:47.920 and it's real. Now I, this is a point I made before, but when you talk about the urban core

01:26:54.340 and all of a sudden it starts gentrifying and money starts pouring in and you get all these,

01:26:59.760 you know, Atlantic articles or New Yorker articles about the cultural displacement of the urban,

01:27:04.240 urban poor and how they can't afford their home anymore. Well, you get sympathy for those people, 1.00

01:27:09.360 but when you have, you know, however many tens of millions of immigrants that have come in through

01:27:14.680 the third world over the last three or four decades, and all of a sudden people that grew up in this 0.99

01:27:20.260 country no longer recognize their neighbors and you just call them racist. Well, you know,

01:27:25.460 they've been culturally displaced too. So don't be surprised when their public places

01:27:29.260 are no longer frequented by native born Americans.

01:27:32.420 Yeah. That book, there was a book, uh, bowling alone that came out, um, I think in 2000 or 2001

01:27:41.660 that talks about that, Robert Putnam that really gets into this. And it talked about how, um,

01:27:47.960 it just, it just mentioned, you know, it started about talking about bowling, but it used bowling as

01:27:53.280 a sort of, uh, a linchpin for, or a microcosm of civic societies. And so communities had civic societies

01:28:01.920 and civic societies like the PTA or the Federation of Women's Voters, Boy Scouts, Red Cross, like all

01:28:08.720 these different things. And that as, and one of those was, uh, was bowling leagues. And one of the

01:28:15.920 things they pointed out that more and more Americans from the 1960s on were not joining bowling leagues

01:28:22.600 and the teams and club, which is funny. Cause I remember my mom and my dad used to have a bowling

01:28:27.700 night and I've talked before about how I lived, how I lived in a town that was completely destroyed

01:28:32.580 by illegal immigration when they became a sanctuary city. And, um, my mom and my dad used to have their

01:28:38.120 own bowling balls and were on a bowling team and they would have bowling night. And that, that bowling

01:28:44.120 alley has, is now getting like shot up because people from Philly are coming out there and like

01:28:49.100 gangs are settling beefs because they know people are there. And so people don't really show up for

01:28:53.080 the bowling league anymore. And, and what it ends up them, what they end up doing is that they are

01:28:57.820 bowling alone. So people will, will go out and then it's, um, you know, it's a good bowling,

01:29:03.540 but you're either bowling alone or just with a couple of friends. But this, this idea of the broader

01:29:07.780 civic life just isn't existing anymore to the extent where, you know, these, these third places

01:29:14.420 like a bowling alley, um, can only be sustained through, through entertainment or adding non-bowling

01:29:21.120 features. But the idea of the bowling league just isn't something that exists anymore

01:29:26.140 in the same way. Yeah. And, and this is, I mean, I, I have conversations with my friends that are all,

01:29:35.820 you know, everyone's in their mid thirties at this point, mid to late thirties. And they're all

01:29:41.340 talking about, you know, things that they remember even their parents used to do. And it's like,

01:29:46.920 they're starting to have those conversations. Like, why, why don't we go do things? Why aren't

01:29:51.100 there? I mean, there used to be like men's and women's clubs that like adults used to be part of

01:29:57.440 that are, were very prevalent. And I'm not saying they don't exist. They're, they're, they certainly

01:30:01.560 exist in some communities. Uh, but you know, for millennials, millennials are kind of figuring out

01:30:06.360 now it's like, Holy crap. Like all the stuff that we grew up with is kind of gone. All the things

01:30:11.340 that our parents grew up with are kind of gone. What do you do? And, and you have to have some

01:30:16.020 creativity and some people that will do it. But, you know, part of this has been like kind of the

01:30:21.180 eradication of religion for sure. So, you know, the eradication of religion in a lot of communities

01:30:26.420 has, has led to a lot of this. There's been the assertion that politics supersedes everything else.

01:30:33.360 Right. And that's like, where again, people have just kind of just brain numbed everybody. It's

01:30:38.020 closing those, those third spaces that you mentioned, Jack, where they just don't really

01:30:43.180 exist anymore. Um, you know, and like, again, like bring up COVID COVID, I think, you know,

01:30:49.380 killed and changed a lot of, you know, I don't know if we've like totally embraced it or recognized

01:30:54.380 it, like how much of society changed post COVID COVID changed dramatically. So many things that

01:30:59.880 we forgot about all the time. Like I'll be talking with my wife. I'll be like, Oh my gosh. Yeah.

01:31:04.260 We used to do that. Like why? Like that happened. It took like three years for people to start going

01:31:08.340 to movies again. It still hasn't recovered. So like, there just is a world today that has to be

01:31:16.160 like, there has to be a pretty well-defined decision by I think conservative millennials

01:31:21.240 and, and Gen Z that are going to say, Hey, we have to recreate a society that integrates all of this.

01:31:28.000 You have to participate in it and want to participate with it. It's a Blake's plan. I don't know if they

01:31:31.560 will. Like, I don't know if people will, if they'll decide to or not, but it's probably going

01:31:36.520 to have to, you're going to have to edge up to it. I think we're actually effectively going through

01:31:39.600 like a selection mechanism that we're just living through and we'll just have to come out the other

01:31:44.180 end. Like everyone used to sort of just have kids by default. We are now selecting for people who have

01:31:49.000 like actively want kids because they're the only ones who are going to have them. Yep. And I think

01:31:53.320 we're probably going to also like select for people who like actually create community because if you

01:31:58.080 don't, you're just going to kind of isolate and like die off. And we're going to get a lot of that.

01:32:04.400 I've, I've told people I have a, I have an idea. I want to reinstitute a lot of things that like

01:32:10.160 modern versions of a lot of these like third places that exist, but you know, they're just,

01:32:17.000 it's just going to be interesting to see if it's, if it, if it's plausible, possible. But one of the

01:32:22.620 places like I talked with my grandparents, my parents at length, and I even remember when I was

01:32:27.280 growing up, it still exists. It was again, there's drive-in movie theaters, things like that. Like

01:32:32.140 where it was just like a place to be seen, the things that you do, like the, the aura that was

01:32:37.840 kind of around all of that. None of those places really exist anymore. Like I literally, they, like

01:32:43.420 there's so few places that exist where, you know, people get excited about those things or they're

01:32:50.320 just like the known go-to places in your community, in your neighborhood. They just aren't as big

01:32:54.840 anymore. And like, we even talk about, you know, we've talked about this before on, you know, the,

01:32:59.900 the international thing, right. With people, migrants coming in, like a lot of our parks, like,

01:33:06.320 you know, don't feel like home. The stores don't feel like home. Those, you know, places that were

01:33:11.200 once kind of the places of community have kind of turned into worlds. Like, is this a third world

01:33:16.280 country? Is this, you know, I don't even, I don't even recognize someone speaking English here

01:33:20.300 anymore. And, and that's problematic, especially when you look at a society, it's like, where are

01:33:25.060 all these displaced people going? What are they doing? What are they doing with their time? And

01:33:29.080 that, that, that ultimately leads to higher crime. It leads to, you know, breakdown and family

01:33:35.760 community. Because again, like if, if dads don't have places to take their kids, right, like parents

01:33:41.060 don't have places to take their kids, what's going to happen? Where do they go? What do they do?

01:33:44.980 They're not doing anything, right? They're not doing enough to really lean into their families.

01:33:49.920 And so that's a big, that's a big difference. That's a big difference with how society looked

01:33:54.500 just a couple of decades ago to where it is today.

01:33:59.360 Well, let's not be so blackpilled because you can still do it. And by the way, there,

01:34:05.760 there, listen, I think economic growth, getting serious about enforcing crime, you know,

01:34:12.020 penalties on crime, accountability, these, these things can turn around communities,

01:34:15.700 make them safe again. We saw this with the revitalization of Times Square. And, and Blake,

01:34:21.960 to some of your points you've made, it's like, listen, we went through a crime wave in the 60s,

01:34:26.820 70s and 80s and early 90s that got corrected with a country that we all are talking about,

01:34:34.360 you know, in glowing terms. And maybe there's a little rose colored glasses here. But we went

01:34:39.280 through a crime wave during those decades that wasn't turned around until the policing surge of the

01:34:43.800 mid 90s. And you saw that in LA, you saw that in New York and sudden, metropolitans, metropolises

01:34:49.680 all across the country, more police, less crime. And then you saw this flood of investment that

01:34:56.980 poured into the cities, and you saw them turn around. And then it became, you know, then we went

01:35:01.920 through a reverse cycle that started in 2014, a little bit, maybe before that, but really 2014 with

01:35:07.600 the, with the Ferguson and then George Floyd 2020, and then a spike in urban crime. And so these

01:35:13.280 things do tend to fluctuate, people forget the lessons of the past, and they go back and they

01:35:18.200 repeat the same mistakes. And then you have to learn the old lessons again. So, you know, I'm a big fan

01:35:23.860 of lots of police. And, and that can really change and turn things around. So which is what they did in

01:35:30.000 New York City, which is exactly what they did in New York City to make it so safe as it is now,

01:35:34.740 which was absolutely the right answer. And I really do think that America is under policed.

01:35:43.140 And beyond that, it's not just under policed, but it's also with the situation, you add the

01:35:48.920 migrants on top of that, the massive invasion, you add the influx of this, and then you add like 1.00

01:35:53.440 the Soros prosecutors and this whole idea that, oh, you know, it's, you know, you only shoplifted less

01:35:58.420 than $1,000. So it's totally fine. Or, you know, you get sent right back out on the street with the,

01:36:04.020 you know, revolving door prosecutions, and homelessness all over the street. I mean,

01:36:10.000 it is, it is just visible. I can remember in my, I can remember in my lifetime, and I'll drop this

01:36:18.240 off here, but in Philadelphia, so you guys know that that area of Philadelphia, Kensington, where

01:36:23.840 they always show like the fentanyl zombies walking around? You know what I'm talking about?

01:36:26.540 Mm hmm. So that used to be called that's called K&A, and the K, the Kensington, Kensington and

01:36:33.780 Allegheny corners. And that used to be like a shopping area, that you could go and I can remember

01:36:40.040 in my lifetime going there with my parents on like, Sunday or whatever, and just going shopping like

01:36:47.220 after church, like that, that was just a normal place to go out and get some water ice. And it was

01:36:52.280 totally, totally safe. And it wasn't like that. And so this, this is all of these quality of life

01:36:57.580 issues have occurred during our lifetimes. So I talked to Gen Xers about this, right? And they 1.00

01:37:03.000 kind of, they described themselves like the free range kids, you know, latchkey kids, they would

01:37:07.120 just kind of go ride their bikes after school, run around the neighborhood, you'd never see them

01:37:10.920 during dinner time, right? And that was considered safe back then. Why is that not considered safe

01:37:16.980 anymore, Blake? Thank you. Thank you. If you're going to look at the macro trends, is it just

01:37:22.360 because paranoid, or parents have become paranoid because of social media, and they see one bad

01:37:26.820 story, and then they, they sort of overreact, and they helicopter parent their kids? Or is there this

01:37:31.720 growing sentiment that like, you can't trust your community anymore? It's been, it's changed,

01:37:37.320 it's changed for the worst. I'm asking you, Blake. Oh, sorry, I was totally distracted. I was

01:37:43.600 looking up New York. No, that's all right. Did you hear what I said? Yeah. No, just, when we were

01:37:49.500 kids, we ran around the neighborhood in our bikes. Yeah, well, they do, but like, at a really young

01:37:53.960 age. That didn't stop because it got unsafe. That stopped because parents just decided to like,

01:37:57.760 not allow it anymore. Like, they became paranoid. That's actually what it is. In my town, it

01:38:02.080 definitely stopped because it got unsafe. Nah, like people, people, I bet people are less free to run

01:38:07.720 around in the absolute safest parts of America. Their parents still won't let them do it. I think,

01:38:12.660 I think I agree with you, Blake, that the paranoia of disaster is just more in your face. Like,

01:38:18.240 people are more aware of things that go wrong. Yeah. And just, and things broke down, like,

01:38:24.440 in terms of like, well, now you'll get in trouble if you do it. And so like, the social sanction against

01:38:29.820 it is greater. And like, people don't want to be thought of as bad or negligent parents. We had

01:38:34.700 everything related to like, the child abuse kind of, I'll be frank, like panic of the 80s. And that,

01:38:39.960 that increased paranoia. Like, the child abuse thing is like a real thing. Yeah. It's just like,

01:38:44.780 parents are not. Calling CPS on your neighbors. Yeah. I think, yeah. And like, the simple truth

01:38:49.100 is, is like, you'll get in trouble if you let your kid like, roam around too much. And that

01:38:53.220 is going to apply even more in the places that are absolutely the safest. Like, in the end, I think

01:39:00.580 people have to hear like, a lot of stuff that they reminisce about is they just kind of have

01:39:05.800 nostalgia for a period that, because they were just 12 at the time. And in some ways it was

01:39:11.180 better, but a lot of the stuff was not better. If people just lived differently and you could

01:39:15.580 choose to live differently today, but people collectively don't. I agree with that somewhat,

01:39:19.020 Blake. I agree with that somewhat. It's like a crime, like people, okay. If you are nostalgic

01:39:23.680 for the 1950s, you're nostalgic for a period where America had way less crime. If you're nostalgic

01:39:29.460 for 1990, which, or 1986, and a lot of people are, you're nostalgic for a period where America

01:39:35.420 had tons of crime. And it also, frankly, I think you're, I think you're making a category

01:39:41.280 error, Blake, because America didn't have tons more crime everywhere. But it actually

01:39:47.180 did. I'm like, a big part of America's decline of crime is more, a lot more random stranger

01:39:52.620 crime that's done now. No, I think actually that was like the peak of stranger crime was

01:39:57.740 people going home, you know, what would they call them? The, uh, uh, home break, like,

01:40:03.500 like follow home, follow home break-ins and stuff like that. Those happen today, but those

01:40:08.620 happened then too. And like for various ways, uh, there was just, there was just a lot more

01:40:13.100 crime back then and people kind of got along and there was more random crimes like in your

01:40:18.520 like own community. Like a big reason crime has actually dropped so much. It's like, yes,

01:40:25.080 like the black crime rate went down, but like the white crime rate also went down, like actually

01:40:28.920 quite a lot from 1990 to today. So like safe suburbs, like the safe middle-class suburb got

01:40:34.900 safer and middler classer from 1990 until like the present. And like in general, there, there's a lot

01:40:43.100 of that. And people like, you know, murder, you know, if it bleeds, it leads. People see crime on

01:40:49.120 television and they react to it. And there have been moments where we have had terrifying spikes.

01:40:52.960 2020 was bad. Thousands of people are dead because of the 2020 crime spike. But I don't think it's

01:40:57.940 accurate to say people don't go outside today because it was safe in like 1990 and it's not

01:41:02.900 safe today. People don't go outside today because people don't want to go outside.

01:41:06.560 Violent crime per 100,000 spiked at its highest ever was in right around 1990. And it was 758.1

01:41:14.620 for every a hundred thousand. And now it's at 372. So it's essentially half of what it was, but like

01:41:21.560 it was, it dramatically increased from 1980 to 1990 and has dramatically decreased since

01:41:27.920 since then. Yeah. And that's overall a good thing. We shouldn't let it return.

01:41:32.880 I do think that Jack has a point though. I, I, I feel like crime was a little bit and, and Blake,

01:41:40.040 maybe you've got specific data that backs this up. I don't, I don't know. I'm looking for it. I can't

01:41:45.720 find it, but it does feel like crime was isolated to certain parts a little bit better, easier. It was

01:41:53.860 easier to avoid crime riddled places. And now it feels like it's less easy to do that.

01:41:59.280 If anything, I suspect crime is probably more specifically centered on a handful of places.

01:42:04.980 And that includes like the spillover, like crazy stuff in San Francisco where like you like homeless

01:42:10.080 junkies. But in general, it's like crime kind of collapsed in areas that are not like major crime

01:42:16.720 hotspots in the United States. So for example, like the bad parts of Baltimore have actually,

01:42:23.320 I think a higher murder rate today than they even had in the nineties, the bad parts of like,

01:42:27.900 I think new Orleans actually broke records for its murder rate during the Floyd surge broke records

01:42:33.060 that existed in the nineties. But overall, like the national crime rate remained a lot lower. And so

01:42:38.680 I think a lot of that is the passive crime rate in your random middle-class areas went from like

01:42:43.960 pretty low to like extremely low. It's definitely true today that you can like avoid the bad parts

01:42:50.500 of America with, with trivial ease. I don't think any of like, frankly, I don't think any of us live in fear

01:42:57.280 that we'll like be victims of random crime. And I even, I even go to the, uh, what's the, like the Arizona

01:43:03.240 Mills mall that's near here that everyone like claims is relatively dangerous. I'm like nothing ever happens

01:43:09.380 at this mall. And you know, maybe I'm missing it or something.

01:43:12.980 Well, I hope you're right, Blake. I hope you're right.

01:43:14.860 I actually saw somebody selling fentanyl in front of that mall once when I was out there for, uh,

01:43:18.840 for like one of these, for sure stuff happens at that mall.

01:43:21.700 For sure.

01:43:23.480 I woke up. I was always on the phone with producer five and I was like, wait, isn't there a strip

01:43:29.180 club like right across the street from there too? Ryan goes, OMG, Blake, that mall is so bad.

01:43:35.460 Shootings all the time. People always getting jumped. I ain't ever heard the shootings.

01:43:39.500 Like we're just, we're going to put body cameras all over you. So this will be an addition. This will

01:43:43.980 be the, yeah, I come up with shows all the time that Blake should do. Yeah. This show should be

01:43:48.460 Blake at Arizona Mills mall. We should, we should do like a Mr. Beast style thing. Like I get like

01:43:54.280 pay me like a thousand dollars a day for how long I can live in the Arizona Mills mall. How long you

01:43:59.680 get, you get a certain amount of money per hour until you see a crime until someone spots a crime

01:44:04.720 on your body. Yeah. What if it's occurring, but I just totally don't notice it. Cause I'm like,

01:44:08.860 I'm on my phone. I'm just looking at my phone too intently. And I like, don't see the mugging or

01:44:13.080 the shooting that's happening right in front of me. I just want, they'll, they'll have one of those

01:44:16.800 like mall food court meltdowns and there's like hundreds of people throwing punches and I'm just

01:44:20.380 kind of like walking through and not noticing. Blake's just like literally on his computer.

01:44:24.280 Blake has sparked a conversation with our tech team. Even they're like, they're saying literally

01:44:28.640 a shooting in the food court at the start of the year. Blake, it's like the sex trafficking hub of

01:44:32.640 Arizona. What does that mean? Wait, wait, do you guys have, do you guys have, is there a curfew? 0.91

01:44:40.620 It just means there's a lot of teen curfew there. Oh, that, that, that they should just say that.

01:44:45.020 Like that's not, I think that's, I think they count that. Is it Arizona Mills or is it just

01:44:49.380 that there's that? There's like a club near here that, well, there is a strip club across

01:44:54.540 the street from it. Yeah, it's a strip club, Blake. It's not a club. It's like a gentleman's

01:44:58.500 establishment. I mean, Arizona Grand is the hub. The data shows that strip clubs are less

01:45:04.540 violent than they used to be. We can't lose our, our, our ability to put people in Arizona

01:45:09.280 Grand. But here's what, here's what, they probably during the day spend their time at the

01:45:13.680 mall and at nights they're at the strip club or the McDonald's. One of the two.

01:45:17.500 Okay. Or the donut shop. I'm not an expert on these things. There's a Krispy Kreme.

01:45:20.840 That's recent though. That's newly opened. Well, Blake, Blake has data that proves, that

01:45:25.340 proves that strip clubs are less violent than they used to be in the eighties. And

01:45:29.800 they probably are. So there you can easily walk around a strip club without getting mugged

01:45:35.800 now because of the precipitous drop in violent crime. Less cocaine today. That's probably

01:45:41.920 true actually. All right. Oh, man. Now we're getting into real thought crime territory. So

01:45:49.200 I think we might, we, this is probably our longest episode ever. I think. Yeah. Charlie's

01:45:53.880 going to come back and be like, what did you, why did you guys do a four hour episode? Why

01:46:01.720 did you guys do a four hour episode about crime at strip clubs? Well, this is a perfect time

01:46:08.720 to wrap it up because we have Solomon and Trump interview coming out. Yeah. That's going to

01:46:13.900 be starting in just a couple of minutes. Yep. So I think we should wrap. We had some other

01:46:19.120 topics. We will get to those at a later time. Any, any last thoughts, anyone go around the

01:46:23.760 word? Yeah. You know, I, I just wanted to say, I think we shouldn't have any more Somalian 1.00

01:46:32.860 mayors. I just want to put that on record. I think we should just elect Americans. I know

01:46:39.040 that's what he is American. He is American, Tyler. He was born here. Apparently. Well,

01:46:44.300 that's flawless. Zero accent. TBD. I don't know. He was talking about, he was talking about

01:46:49.660 Homeland in that clip a lot. So I'm not sure I believe it. Jack, he does look, he does

01:46:53.340 look like the, I'm the captain now guy. He looks like I'm the captain now guy. That tweet

01:46:58.580 went super viral, super viral. Whoops. All right. Blake, do I have to have, I was just thinking

01:47:09.520 about the fact that if we did the like crime and strip clubs thought crimes, it would be

01:47:12.760 like the other spelling of, well, that could be the other show that we do is we could send

01:47:17.820 you the body cameras to the strip club. You're just coming up like, we're just going to need 0.51

01:47:20.980 a whole show of like, like a live stream of Tyler generates like weird experiences to

01:47:26.720 inflict on me. I just think you're a really interesting person and we could, we could create

01:47:32.480 a channel around you. I feel like, I feel like nothing would dispel the idea that I'm

01:47:35.940 interesting faster than like putting a camera on my body 24 seven. It'd be like a Truman

01:47:42.480 show. You'd have to have Ryan edit it. But so you do weird, to do weird stuff all the time.

01:47:46.240 So. All right, Andrew. All right. Uh, my, my rap is that I can't wait to watch the Solomon

01:47:55.160 and Trump interview because I'm fast. Good. Jack, take us home. They're not American. I'm just

01:48:02.600 saying it. They're not American. Don't tell me that piece of paper makes them American. 0.79

01:48:05.940 They're not American. Ladies and gentlemen, as always go out there and commit more thought 0.99

01:48:10.400 crimes.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - July 17, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 91 — The Epstein Hoax？ Somali Mayors？ Bowling Alone？

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