Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 97

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, it's time for this week's Thursday edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:28.400 We are here in the Charlie Kirk studio and for once we have four in person and one in spirit and obviously we didn't do an episode last week when we were dealing with a lot of the arrangements with Charlie and there's still a lot of that to go through.

00:00:53.520 But we all sort of had a discussion about it and we decided that we wanted to be here and we wanted to be in person and we wanted Thought Crime to keep going because Charlie would have wanted Thought Crime to keep going.

00:01:07.740 And so we've got the four of us. Andrew, you've got to leave in a little bit.

00:01:12.140 I know. Yeah, I got to go to the venue. Charlie has been, Andrew has been a huge MVP throughout all of this.

00:01:19.040 He really has to say.

00:01:20.680 Thanks, Blake.

00:01:21.160 People don't realize that in addition to, I mean, Andrew, you're doing media, you're planning the event, you're running the show on a daily basis, and you're grieving the loss of a brother all at the same time.

00:01:38.780 And he's a dad with three kids.

00:01:39.860 Plus, being there for your family, that's awesome.

00:01:43.400 Being there for Erica's family and the kids and I just, I've, hats off to you, man.

00:01:48.920 Andrew's being there in a big way for Erica in particular, that's an important part, like an important key point here.

00:01:55.000 And that just shows a lot of the love that Andrew has for Charlie.

00:01:58.400 Well, I appreciate that a lot, guys.

00:02:00.220 And, you know, you guys have been amazing, too.

00:02:04.720 And I've seen each of you guys step up in just huge ways.

00:02:10.200 And I think you guys would all agree that we, like, have all been affected by Charlie.

00:02:17.060 Like, we all absorbed a little bit of Charlie Kirk.

00:02:20.120 And I think given the weight of this moment, reflecting on how profoundly blessed we all are because of that and how our lives will never be the same because of Charlie Kirk is a remarkable thing to come to grips with and a weighty thing to come to grips with.

00:02:42.520 And, you know, I don't, you know, Charlie, it's funny.

00:02:50.800 Erica said it in her speech.

00:02:52.340 She said, Charlie would always get you when you thought you only had 5% left.

00:02:55.560 You have 15% left.

00:02:56.940 And I think the whole team is channeling that energy.

00:03:02.400 And honestly, it's a pleasure.

00:03:03.820 I mean, it's a pleasure to serve Charlie even in this way.

00:03:08.000 It's a pleasure to walk with you guys.

00:03:11.640 And so, of course, we had to do thought crime because, you know.

00:03:16.240 I secretly think that this was Charlie's favorite show of the week.

00:03:19.700 Oh, for sure it was.

00:03:21.080 I mean, well, Charlie liked to get stuff off his chest.

00:03:23.480 So he liked his monologue in Hour One a lot.

00:03:26.520 And sometimes he was actually annoyed by the time we got to the C Block.

00:03:30.340 And we usually had a guest scheduled in the C Block.

00:03:32.780 And he, you know, kind of changed the energy.

00:03:34.800 Yeah, I have so much more I want to say.

00:03:36.140 Limited to one.

00:03:36.840 I have so much more I want to say.

00:03:39.500 You're like, Charlie, it's a senator.

00:03:40.900 I've been, like, booking him for three weeks.

00:03:42.600 There was a headline just today Jack told me about in USA Today.

00:03:46.460 Charlie Kirk reveled in thought crime.

00:03:50.040 What were his views on the issues?

00:03:52.120 It's actually just about his views on everything.

00:03:53.840 Yeah, USA, it mentions the show but not directly.

00:03:56.600 Well, this show gave him so many headaches.

00:03:58.460 It gave me so many headaches because people, like, didn't get the shtick.

00:04:03.380 It was like, we're talking about forbidden things, guys.

00:04:07.460 This is the whole point.

00:04:08.320 Like, we don't cover it.

00:04:09.440 It's not a breaking news show.

00:04:10.940 It's an in-depth show.

00:04:12.540 It's a controversial show.

00:04:14.440 And, yeah, we wrestle with things.

00:04:16.780 Like, it was interesting because –

00:04:17.820 It's a debate show.

00:04:18.500 Yeah, well, you and Charlie would get into some great little, like, ideological debates.

00:04:22.360 I mean, it was –

00:04:22.900 That was like sparring.

00:04:23.820 So before he gets out on campus –

00:04:25.120 Of course, no, and I told people that.

00:04:27.300 I told people that.

00:04:28.040 I said the media that Charlie was doing on a daily basis, his own show and thought crimes,

00:04:33.520 was reps, reps.

00:04:36.440 It was repetitions.

00:04:37.800 And he was getting – he would hone his ideas, and Blake and Charlie and I usually would be arguing

00:04:42.800 in the chat while he was, you know, first reacting to something.

00:04:48.480 And then, you know, he would kind of – if you actually know the truth, the truth is he would kind of correct course over a two-hour period in the morning.

00:04:56.360 So by the time he's doing, you know, Will Cain's show or Jesse Waters or he's debating, he has had all this ramp up to get, you know, to perfect his presentation.

00:05:08.120 And then it was just like, boom.

00:05:09.920 And so this show was a really important part of that.

00:05:12.920 And it was interesting because we did debate a lot of things, and we will debate a lot of things that are verboten.

00:05:19.520 And Charlie loved that because it was an outlet.

00:05:21.400 And by the way, when Charlie knew that the media was going to take and twist something, he had us to be like, I'm not going in all the – you guys do this.

00:05:30.940 But Charlie would be on the chat going, oh, interesting, you know, like dropping his unvarnished thoughts in the chat.

00:05:38.700 Or he'd be like, Jack, go all the way in.

00:05:40.420 Go all the way in.

00:05:40.860 Go all the way in.

00:05:40.880 Go all the way in.

00:05:41.480 Yeah.

00:05:42.180 So – and because Charlie eventually came to realize that he was viewed as an appendage of President Trump and a spokesman for the admin.

00:05:49.040 So if he said something, it was going to be far too explosive.

00:05:53.160 But he also knew Blake could say something, and it would just be – it would just be good for our audience to hear it or Tyler.

00:05:58.380 But the main idea, I think, too, is that, you know, a lot of the issues that we've been facing as a country in the movement, I mean, these are issues that are still kind of open, right?

00:06:10.180 These are like not – it's not settled science yet.

00:06:12.500 But – and so thought crime has always been a place to just sort of hash it out, and we're just hashing out.

00:06:18.500 I'm going to make this point.

00:06:19.360 I'm going to make that – the flag-burning debate is just the most recent example I could think of.

00:06:22.860 And you could tell.

00:06:23.720 He was like, yeah, there's some good points there, and there's some good points here.

00:06:28.220 But because Israel is, like, always so top of mind, and it's become even more so after Charlie's assassination, it's like, if you want to understand how Charlie was feeling about Israel, look at that flag-burning debate as a good example of how he would wrestle through intellectually through what he actually thought.

00:06:47.500 But also listening.

00:06:48.360 Listening, he was debating, and he was like, yeah, but – and he would ask questions, and he would force you to defend your point so that he could, like, see how good it was, and he would poke holes in it.

00:06:58.320 And then he probably somewhere along the way ended up about 60-40 on it, and, you know, it came to a relative conclusion, but, you know – and that's probably, you know, it's like – I've been asked this question a couple times the last couple days.

00:07:12.300 I'm like, well, Charlie loved Israel, he loved the Jewish people, loved the Holy Land, but he just wanted to be able to be able to criticize Bibi Netanyahu without being labeled an anti-Semite.

00:07:21.340 And he's also – pretty simple.

00:07:22.260 He's also generally not a huge war guy, you know?

00:07:26.380 Oh, he's vehemently anti-war.

00:07:28.240 And so, you know, is there a tension there?

00:07:31.140 Obviously.

00:07:32.300 Obviously.

00:07:33.080 Yeah.

00:07:33.400 And so it's like, where do you draw that line?

00:07:35.600 When J.D. was hosting the other day, he talked about this with, you know, with Iran.

00:07:41.220 Like, J.D. specifically mentioned how, you know, a lot of these stories that have never been told, that it's like, well, Charlie was a huge role in that debate.

00:07:50.520 Charlie was playing a huge role behind the scenes.

00:07:52.760 He made his voice clear.

00:07:54.400 He, you know, carried the voice of the people, the voter, Gen Z.

00:08:00.040 Charlie was on a lot of group chats, as are you, Jack, as we are.

00:08:03.840 But Charlie was on, like –

00:08:06.160 I don't even have a phone.

00:08:06.960 Charlie was on, like, a billion group chats.

00:08:09.040 And somehow the guy was able to read everything, respond to it, and make progress on it.

00:08:15.920 You know, like, even in the middle of the shows, he was reading his emails.

00:08:19.080 Well, I want to ask Tyler about that, actually.

00:08:20.780 Because, so, Tyler, like, having known Charlie from the very start of Turning Point as, you know, an activist for ideas,

00:08:29.420 did you ever think Charlie would morph into this, like, thought leader for the movement as opposed to, like, being, like, a foot soldier for the movement?

00:08:38.520 I love that question.

00:08:39.560 Good question.

00:08:40.220 Yeah, you know, that's really interesting.

00:08:42.880 No.

00:08:43.200 And here's the reason why I was just telling – I was just laughing at Lauren about this the other day because I remember back in the day, I used to be – like, it was, like, again, it was, like, discipleship.

00:08:54.240 Like, the early disciples were Andrew and Stacy and a few others.

00:08:59.140 Like, a lot of people that you'll see, right, along the way and this whole group, obviously.

00:09:06.100 But as everyone was joining, it was, like, it alleviated pressure off of me because I had this blessing for so long, for, like, the first few years, just to be alone with Charlie.

00:09:17.460 Like, we would go places.

00:09:18.640 We'd drive places and we'd see people.

00:09:20.360 And I remember I was laughing with Lauren about this because I remember, like, the very beginning when people first started stopping Charlie, like, very intermittently.

00:09:30.140 Like, the very early, like – and I thought they were such weird people because I was, like, how the heck do you know Charlie Kirk?

00:09:37.380 I'm, like –

00:09:37.900 First thought crime of the night.

00:09:39.300 I felt the same thing.

00:09:41.020 I have my memory of that.

00:09:42.700 I remember the first time I saw somebody stop Charlie was in an airport and somebody, like, quietly gave him a fist bump and I was, like, oh, man.

00:09:49.660 That was so weird.

00:09:50.960 And I remember that, too, like, when – but I remember, like, the very early days, like, nobody would – like, we would go to places and, like, nobody would recognize him.

00:10:00.100 And then it started, like – I'd be, like, that's really weird.

00:10:02.760 And so, no, I could never envision that because I knew Charlie the way – like, the young Charlie that nobody knew and he blossomed into this massive, you know, inescapable thought leader, right, like, where it's, like, his thoughts were so good.

00:10:19.660 It was so meaningful, so impactful with determining how people thought about the news of the day because of his show, because of the podcast, because of –

00:10:29.000 Twitter.

00:10:29.560 Twitter.

00:10:30.220 I mean, it started with Twitter.

00:10:31.440 That was the thing he was most proud of in the beginning, right?

00:10:34.540 But he was kind of known as, like, the Chicago kid who grew this Twitter account.

00:10:37.440 How did he do it?

00:10:39.340 But he really blossomed to all that.

00:10:42.840 And what's so cool about him is he did all that, and he never stopped doing the activist work, right?

00:10:49.340 Like, up until, like, the day he died –

00:10:51.480 Which he very easily could have.

00:10:52.960 He easily could have said, I'm not going to do the campus stuff anymore.

00:10:56.720 Like, I don't have to do that stuff.

00:10:57.980 I've graduated from that.

00:10:59.080 Let somebody else do it.

00:10:59.940 Of course.

00:11:00.680 I have way too much going on.

00:11:02.420 I have way too much going on with the show.

00:11:04.060 Like, everything else is too important.

00:11:05.040 He could have just sat right here in a very safe environment, extremely safe environment,

00:11:11.100 and he chose not to.

00:11:12.980 That is, like –

00:11:13.660 That's why –

00:11:14.200 Probably a little more lucrative doing that, too.

00:11:16.900 But honestly, I just –

00:11:17.540 I just want to finish this thought.

00:11:19.580 This is why, like, all week long, I've just had this feeling in this poll, like,

00:11:23.300 he was so much like the apostles that he loved and studied so much,

00:11:28.380 was because they went into the crowds.

00:11:30.880 They went into the people.

00:11:32.040 And what was their – what happened to all of them?

00:11:34.380 We know.

00:11:35.260 They were all murdered.

00:11:36.700 They were all literally murdered and banished from society

00:11:39.520 because they did not stop doing that work.

00:11:43.280 And to me, that's the exact definition of what a martyr is.

00:11:48.200 A martyr is a person.

00:11:49.940 It isn't just a martyr because they have thoughts and da-da-da, whatever,

00:11:53.360 and someone comes to their home and kills them in their sleep in the middle of the night.

00:11:55.780 No, a true martyr is a person that does the work, that wears the work on their sleeve,

00:12:00.000 and they do not stop doing it, so much so that literally evil itself has to perniciously take them off the face of the earth.

00:12:07.580 And that is what – that is the definition of Charlie Kirk,

00:12:10.320 and that is why it is such a great comparison, analogy to the work that the apostles did,

00:12:18.460 because, again, he always put God first.

00:12:20.060 It wasn't conservative politics that wiped him out.

00:12:22.980 It was God that wiped him out.

00:12:24.500 People don't realize Charlie got bored by politics.

00:12:27.580 He really –

00:12:28.140 That's why he'd always do that joke.

00:12:29.500 Like, I just want to go coach college football.

00:12:31.200 Yeah.

00:12:31.520 He always said that.

00:12:32.420 Admittedly, I'm really sad now.

00:12:33.760 Like, what if he tried?

00:12:35.000 What if he was, like, bad at it?

00:12:36.120 And then we'd, like, make fun of him.

00:12:37.180 Or, like, he would always do that – well, I'll say it.

00:12:40.700 If I would have been bad at first.

00:12:41.780 He would always –

00:12:42.360 And dig in and get really good.

00:12:43.380 Well, he would always say it when we were, like, with our backs up against the wall,

00:12:46.800 and, like, something wasn't really going our way.

00:12:48.760 And he's, like, I'm just going to restart.

00:12:50.500 I'm going to be –

00:12:51.320 He texts me and goes, I quit.

00:12:54.360 I give up.

00:12:54.900 I retire.

00:12:55.660 I retire.

00:12:56.100 I'm a college football coach.

00:12:57.380 I'm a star at the bottom.

00:12:58.540 So he doesn't need to be good at the strategy.

00:13:00.260 He doesn't need to be good at the recruitment, which he's good at.

00:13:02.300 He has to be good.

00:13:02.760 He would have been a great recruiter.

00:13:03.980 Charlie, in our private chats, all the time, anything, he would be, like, I quit.

00:13:07.920 I give up on this thing.

00:13:09.060 I quit.

00:13:09.220 And it was college football.

00:13:10.100 He would put all his heart into cycling politically.

00:13:13.180 I quit.

00:13:13.280 I quit.

00:13:13.340 You know, he'd want the things to go one way, and then somebody would come out and fox and say something stupid.

00:13:18.480 When he was saying that, like, he would say it to us as a way of venting because he knew he would never quit.

00:13:27.040 He was never going to quit.

00:13:27.900 We never thought he was actually serious.

00:13:28.680 But you just have to get it out, and then, all right, I'm going back.

00:13:31.520 And if he gets it out.

00:13:32.900 Andrew, I know you've got to leave in a couple of minutes, but just in the time that we still have with us, how's Sunday looking, man?

00:13:41.040 Well, Sunday.

00:13:44.520 Sunday, Sunday, Sunday.

00:13:45.480 It is, I mean, it's a who's who.

00:13:48.900 It's like, you know, the president's going to be there, the vice president, Marco Rubio, Pete Hegseth, Susie Wiles, Sergio Gore.

00:14:00.120 Who am I missing?

00:14:01.040 So many.

00:14:01.580 I'm missing a lot.

00:14:02.300 But, like, some of the team is going to speak.

00:14:05.100 We've got these amazing worship leaders that are going to kind of start off the time.

00:14:10.520 Don Jr.

00:14:11.080 It's amazing because it's literally the biggest leaders in the country are going to be there to honor our friend that we did this show with.

00:14:26.080 Like, that's a bizarre juxtaposition when you think about it, right?

00:14:29.480 Yeah.

00:14:29.980 And yet he was so humble that he would sit and spend time with us.

00:14:34.680 You know, us.

00:14:35.560 You know, I think we're not bad people.

00:14:39.200 We're capable of a thing or two.

00:14:41.780 But it was, like, in retrospect, it just feels like, wow, the heads of states, ambassadors, like, all the biggest media personalities you can imagine.

00:14:52.200 I can't even begin to list the amount of country, like, people from different countries that have reached out to me this week.

00:14:57.060 Like, you even know about Charlie there?

00:14:59.820 And that's the weird thing is it, you know, Blake, and I really have spent a lot of time reflecting on this idea that Charlie Kirk was a modern prophet.

00:15:06.840 Because, and I don't mean in the fortune-telling sense.

00:15:10.360 I saw some people, I tweeted it, and people were like, well, you've got to be careful because, and I'm like, no, no, that's not what that means.

00:15:15.900 In the biblical sense, the ones that, when Jesus says, and you stoned the prophets, you killed the prophets.

00:15:21.760 Because a prophet goes into a land that is burdened by a sin or by a lie.

00:15:29.480 And the prophet goes in there and he says, repent.

00:15:33.040 He says, here's the truth of God.

00:15:35.940 Listen and be saved or reject it and you will be destroyed, essentially.

00:15:40.700 And when you tell people that the thing that you love so much, your sin, your lie, will destroy you, they tend to not like you too much when you do that.

00:15:50.880 And Charlie, in that very biblical sense, was going into these college campuses.

00:15:56.300 He was going around the country.

00:15:58.660 He was on the show.

00:16:00.280 But also, Blake, I keep thinking about, like, his Oxford and Cambridge visits that you were there for.

00:16:05.520 I was not there for those.

00:16:07.120 By the way, that was so cool.

00:16:08.000 Charlie was always like, Andrew, you've got three little kids, like, be with your family.

00:16:11.960 You don't have to go.

00:16:12.600 He would offer, you want to go?

00:16:14.140 I would love for you to go.

00:16:15.360 And I'd say, you know, the wife, the kids, oh, you don't have to go.

00:16:18.440 It's fine.

00:16:19.240 Somebody's got to do the show.

00:16:22.100 But, like, he went into, especially the UK, because it's a little different in South Korea and Japan where there's a language barrier.

00:16:28.660 And you were there for that and it's great.

00:16:30.340 But in London, we all can watch those interactions.

00:16:34.380 And what I realized was he was going into those places and he said, repent, London.

00:16:39.780 Repent, England.

00:16:41.100 Remember who you are.

00:16:42.420 Remember what God has made you.

00:16:43.820 You are a great nation.

00:16:44.900 Stand up for yourself.

00:16:45.820 Find your spine, man.

00:16:47.060 Like, and they spit on him and they jeered at him.

00:16:52.180 Like, a scene straight out of, like, Christ and his passion.

00:16:56.840 And they rejected him and he tried to tell them to wake up and snap out of it and accept the things of God.

00:17:04.120 But it's because that was seen and because he always stood on truth.

00:17:11.480 And surprised that wasn't the fire alarm beeping.

00:17:15.040 And because he was killed for that.

00:17:18.940 He was killed because he's a prophet.

00:17:20.340 And you know what else?

00:17:21.020 I tweeted this as well, but we called them campus tours, but they were tent revivals.

00:17:25.580 They had a tent.

00:17:27.480 But had we called them a tent revival, the people that Charlie wanted to speak to wouldn't have come.

00:17:31.760 But they came anyways because they were these ideological collisions and debates where the truth met the lies.

00:17:38.700 And people were able to make up their own minds.

00:17:40.880 And when we put it out on the Internet, it was billions and billions.

00:17:44.660 People don't realize the scale of these videos.

00:17:48.060 I think they're starting to.

00:17:49.420 15 billion in the fall alone.

00:17:51.780 When you see the processions, the vigils, the worldwide impact, I think that's the, you know, it's funny.

00:17:57.900 That's the one thing that like everybody I talked to said, I didn't realize how big this was.

00:18:03.260 I had no idea.

00:18:04.280 We didn't fully either.

00:18:05.600 But you know, there's that scripture verse where it says, and I keep thinking about this and I haven't articulated this.

00:18:11.120 So I'm glad I'm doing it here.

00:18:12.620 Jesus says, you will do even greater things than these.

00:18:16.240 And I'm not saying that Charlie was greater than Jesus.

00:18:19.300 Hear me.

00:18:20.200 I'm saying that Jesus didn't have the Internet.

00:18:24.440 Jesus didn't have it all captured on an iPhone, but we did.

00:18:27.980 And in a sense, Jesus is saying, look, there's going to be some stuff that happens that like I can't do because I'm, you know, I'm in Israel in 33 AD.

00:18:37.320 But Charlie Kirk's going to be in America in 2025.

00:18:41.440 I think that was motivating to the next level that's been passed on down through the ages in the way that that in Charlie's time, he picked that torch.

00:18:50.720 In Acts of the Apostles, it says, you know, they were ministering to thousands of people.

00:18:54.200 Right.

00:18:54.480 Right.

00:18:54.680 And these great wonders.

00:18:56.020 And they were dispatching and all the rest.

00:18:58.680 Andrew, I'm looking at the time, man.

00:19:00.100 Are you?

00:19:00.940 Yeah.

00:19:01.240 I could do a few more minutes.

00:19:03.460 It's up to you guys.

00:19:04.160 But I know we also have some other things we're up against.

00:19:07.880 But I just this show is so important.

00:19:10.780 You guys are so important.

00:19:12.760 I love you all.

00:19:14.680 I mean that from the bottom of my heart, how grateful I am that you guys are here with us and with me and that I get to be here with you in this time that we're not alone.

00:19:24.720 And that the DNA that Charlie had in the show and has in all of us, like it means a lot.

00:19:33.040 And I was just like, I have no idea how I'm going to fit in the show today, but we have to.

00:19:37.800 We have to have all four of us on.

00:19:39.440 And I even mentioned that to Jack.

00:19:41.120 Even for a brief, I was like, it's got to be the four of us.

00:19:44.900 Yeah.

00:19:45.120 It's just, it's Charlie's show.

00:19:47.900 And I mean, going back to the history, we started doing this because we had so much fun on election nights.

00:19:53.480 That's where this came from.

00:19:54.820 Yeah, our live streams, yeah.

00:19:55.480 Our live streams.

00:19:56.180 And there's so many people that reached out this week.

00:19:57.760 They were in horror because they're like, I'm going to miss you guys on election night.

00:20:02.680 I'm going to miss Charlie on election night, obviously, but I'm going to miss having all of you.

00:20:06.240 And I think that this is part of it is that, you know, I think we want to keep a lot of this going.

00:20:10.860 Yeah.

00:20:11.540 Not just for the show, which the show, the Charlie Kirk show made Charlie Kirk like Hulk, the Hulk.

00:20:19.020 Like it just like, it sends stuff through his veins.

00:20:21.780 Like nobody, like that was the game changer in Charlie's professional life was he loved his show.

00:20:28.280 The reps.

00:20:29.020 It was the reps of the show so much.

00:20:30.600 And he was, he's such a, he loved his schedule.

00:20:33.320 He loved staying on things and having a very, a very structured life.

00:20:38.480 And the show was perfect for him because he used to fly all over the country.

00:20:42.320 It was chaos all the time.

00:20:43.180 And it like made him.

00:20:44.240 It made him stop from 12 to 2.

00:20:46.340 And he was so, so good at it.

00:20:48.660 But this, this show was so much fun because we were able to, like Andrew said, so eloquently was like harness kind of everything that just came together at the end.

00:20:57.700 And have a little bit of a break from the norms, but.

00:21:01.720 And it focuses you.

00:21:02.580 It's like a focusing.

00:21:03.640 Revisiting that fun that we had on election night.

00:21:05.680 And that's, that's not going to go away.

00:21:07.000 We can't let that go away for Charlie.

00:21:08.460 This is where that famous viral video happened.

00:21:12.820 And I'll never, I'll never forget.

00:21:14.120 It was Charlie just wouldn't believe it.

00:21:17.240 We, we were seeing that Pennsylvania probably fell, probably fell, probably fell.

00:21:20.920 Charlie said, no, no, no.

00:21:22.360 No, because in the chat, we were saying, we were saying it over and over and over.

00:21:26.260 Don't say it.

00:21:26.940 Don't say it.

00:21:27.400 So Charlie knew for a minute.

00:21:28.680 And then finally Fox called it and it put this official stamp on it.

00:21:34.200 Yeah.

00:21:34.400 And he just, his hands hit and he got emotional and you made some joke about Erica was cutting

00:21:40.860 onions in the kitchen or something.

00:21:42.440 Yeah.

00:21:42.780 Yeah.

00:21:42.980 And then, and then, and then Blake, uh, you know, Blake isn't the most sentimental of

00:21:48.520 men, but when he gets, when he goes there, it like really hits.

00:21:52.420 And I'll, that line where he said, if anybody deserves to get a little misty eyed, it's

00:21:55.820 Charlie on while Charlie's there.

00:21:57.940 Yeah, no, I, I'm sure, I'm sure you've seen that clip so many times.

00:22:01.080 You're like, why did I say it like this?

00:22:02.480 And I could, yeah, I mean, and I'm just glad cause it was actually, I think it was

00:22:06.140 Dallin or Brian, I forget who, but somebody was like, you need to get in there and be

00:22:11.340 a part of this moment.

00:22:12.160 And I was so glad they did.

00:22:13.200 So my, my one moment in that clip is where I grabbed Charlie by the shoulder and I, you

00:22:17.640 see my hand come in, in the like, and I just, we've got pictures.

00:22:21.040 We've got, no, no, no, no, for sure.

00:22:22.220 But that, that clip, uh, there we go.

00:22:23.860 There's the hand.

00:22:24.740 Yeah.

00:22:25.140 That hand was my hand.

00:22:26.820 That hand was my hand.

00:22:28.860 And, um, yeah.

00:22:30.220 Erica does not have those giant man hands and hairy.

00:22:34.480 Uh, I think I might've walked in front of the camera there too, but.

00:22:37.300 Yeah.

00:22:37.420 Cause you popped in and you were standing right there, which has been your seat all week,

00:22:41.280 which is kind of interesting.

00:22:42.440 Isn't that, I saw that picture and I was like, cause Andrew's standing like basically right

00:22:46.540 where we're sitting.

00:22:47.880 Which people can't see in that clip.

00:22:49.160 And then we switched it cause I know you gotta run.

00:22:50.640 As we were leading up to the call, everyone in the office was trickling in.

00:22:53.980 So they would all be there.

00:22:54.660 It was fun.

00:22:55.660 It was, it was one of those moments where people were allowed in the studio.

00:22:59.360 I don't know what it'll look like, but.

00:23:02.500 The show will go on.

00:23:03.360 We're going to stream.

00:23:04.040 We're going to stream.

00:23:04.780 The show will go on because Charlie would have wanted it to.

00:23:08.100 And more importantly than anything now, uh, Erica has given us a very firm mandate that

00:23:17.200 the show will go on.

00:23:18.540 So I want you guys to all, I, can we just reflect one second before I leave?

00:23:22.740 I know I got to go, but this is the one who said he had to go.

00:23:25.960 Um, the, before, before I leave Erica Kirk, I actually quoted you on Alex Clark's podcast.

00:23:35.280 Uh, cause you said, what a woman.

00:23:39.220 And I mean, that is the best summation of Erica Kirk.

00:23:44.520 It is right.

00:23:47.160 What a woman.

00:23:47.780 Like she is so, uh, fierce and lovely and strong and human and accessible.

00:23:55.400 And she, I watched her conduct a staff meeting and it was just, it was so human and so like

00:24:04.240 just real, but it was somehow she managed to be very efficient and structured in her thinking

00:24:11.280 and clear and more morally clear.

00:24:14.340 And she said all the things that she needed to say.

00:24:16.500 It was just, it was a masterclass.

00:24:18.120 And I just, we, we turned it off and I was like, you know, I was like, you know, Charlie's

00:24:23.720 looking down like a little jealous that how well you did that.

00:24:26.560 And, and, um, and I, I also told this one story that the, the night it happened, Erica

00:24:34.800 got a call from somebody very important and out of respect for the, out of respect for,

00:24:44.460 you know, the person that was calling, I'm not going to say who it was, but it's just a

00:24:47.560 very important person.

00:24:48.400 She got a call and the question was presented to her.

00:24:52.040 What do you know?

00:24:54.260 And it wasn't about Charlie, Charlie's murder.

00:24:56.640 It wasn't about this, this investigation or something.

00:24:58.860 It was like about all this and turning point, like how much do you know?

00:25:05.480 And Erica Kirk goes, I know it all.

00:25:10.640 Whoa.

00:25:11.940 I don't know it all.

00:25:13.220 And the person on the other line goes, okay, good.

00:25:19.820 And, and I think I want everybody to know that Charlie shared with Erica, like everything.

00:25:28.920 She knew everything that was going on.

00:25:31.020 She knew who the snakes were.

00:25:32.220 She knew who the good guys were.

00:25:33.460 She knew who the friends were.

00:25:34.540 She knew who the people that you could trust were.

00:25:37.760 And she knew what was going on here.

00:25:39.960 And it's an amazing, amazing thing because I do think Erica was called for just such a time

00:25:46.440 is this, I think, Charlie picked her because he knew she could thrive and survive in this

00:25:51.940 type of environment.

00:25:52.880 And they, granted, they started dating when his life was way less complicated than, than

00:25:56.680 it got, but it was already kind of that way.

00:25:59.160 So she knew and he knew that what they were getting into.

00:26:02.440 And so Erica's, Erica, what a woman, Blake said it right.

00:26:07.460 And, um, I'm so grateful that she has embraced this moment despite the unthinkable tragedy and

00:26:14.240 grief around her, but for the sake of the country, for the sake of turning point and for the sake of

00:26:18.780 Charlie's legacy, Erica is more than up to the task.

00:26:22.380 Amen to that.

00:26:23.620 Yeah.

00:26:24.480 Andrew, I know you got to bounce.

00:26:25.920 So we will, we will see you on the other side, uh, my friend and as you, as you take

00:26:34.460 off just, uh, to everyone else, the thought crimes will continue.

00:26:39.300 All right.

00:26:40.080 I'll look, I'll expect, I'll expect the inquiries from the, from the media.

00:26:43.940 What did you say, Jack?

00:26:45.300 Next week's thought crime actually is going to be the most rambunctious thought crime of

00:26:49.260 all.

00:26:49.920 It will be.

00:26:50.460 Well, now we get to do all the stuff that Charlie kept shooting down.

00:26:52.940 We're going to have to fire ourselves.

00:26:56.900 So enjoy what you can.

00:26:57.960 Everything Charlie wanted to talk about that we know we'll talk about.

00:27:01.600 Oh, wait, no, you don't mean.

00:27:03.420 Oh yeah.

00:27:04.120 No, I mean that.

00:27:04.800 Oh, okay.

00:27:05.880 All right.

00:27:06.360 All right.

00:27:07.160 Fine.

00:27:07.820 I'm, I'm, I always wanted to.

00:27:09.420 Guys, guys, be easy on Graham.

00:27:11.100 Let's call it cliffhanger.

00:27:11.380 Okay.

00:27:12.060 All right.

00:27:13.040 All right.

00:27:13.200 Graham still has a viable career.

00:27:14.780 We don't want to.

00:27:15.200 Well, we'll, yeah, we'll switch you out.

00:27:16.740 Graham Allen's in.

00:27:17.660 We'll, we'll get him in.

00:27:18.700 Thank you guys.

00:27:21.080 I talk to a lot of young people.

00:27:22.940 On campuses, at our events, on my radio show, podcast, and social media.

00:27:28.740 Said differently, I visit college campuses so you don't have to.

00:27:36.420 We're talking to so many voters that know it is time for change.

00:27:40.840 They know that something is wrong.

00:27:42.460 America's future is a series of choices.

00:27:46.760 Our current state of slow motion national decline is a choice.

00:27:54.980 Today is our two-year-old's birthday.

00:27:58.200 And I look at my daughter, and that is my why.

00:28:03.240 For those that are parents, you know exactly what I mean.

00:28:05.580 There is no mountain that stands tall as your faithfulness.

00:28:15.380 There is no river that runs wide as your goodness.

00:28:21.380 Man, Charlie, I remember when we were starting these out, and...

00:28:39.560 It was that, like that?

00:28:40.680 No, it was like this.

00:28:41.900 It was like, it was like your average...

00:28:43.380 It was three rows.

00:28:44.040 It was like your average political meeting, where there was like 12 people in a room, and...

00:28:47.820 Uh, this is...

00:28:49.120 This is awesome.

00:28:49.660 This, in my personal opinion, was the most over-the-top Trump event that I've ever covered.

00:28:59.540 This is the number one boots-on-the-ground operation in the country.

00:29:02.080 We're working directly in harmony with the Trump campaign.

00:29:04.460 It's been vetted.

00:29:05.080 It's been cleared.

00:29:05.540 It's been blessed, as you can see there.

00:29:06.940 And we're going to try to win this thing.

00:29:08.220 No guarantees.

00:29:09.140 It's what we do that matters.

00:29:10.360 Mr. President, I can tell you this room is 100% with you, and we have your back.

00:29:14.540 God bless you.

00:29:15.580 Thank you.

00:29:19.660 As you know, we are heading on campus here momentarily at the University of South Florida,

00:29:34.440 throwing it down with the students.

00:29:36.940 It's going to be a lot of fun.

00:29:37.980 We are excited to continue this cultural movement that we have started at Turning Point USA.

00:29:43.600 More high school chapters, more college chapters, and disagreement is not just welcome.

00:29:48.480 It is invited.

00:29:49.760 We want to have those tough conversations.

00:29:51.800 That's what it's all about.

00:29:52.460 Because you're not supposed to be involved in this.

00:30:17.860 You're supposed to just kind of be on the vote for me every four years, give me more political

00:30:22.100 power, and stay out of my business.

00:30:23.640 And what has happened is we are seeing an explosion in citizen participation.

00:30:28.880 There is nothing else I'll ever need.

00:30:38.500 All of my days, your mercy follow me.

00:30:47.980 Oh, there is nothing else I'll ever need.

00:30:54.600 Knock on that extra door, go that extra mile, talk to that extra friend, because throughout

00:31:01.200 voting month and culminating on the 5th of November, I believe it will go down as a day

00:31:07.040 that people remember, as a day that is written about in history books, as the final battle

00:31:12.800 from the golden escalator on down, from defeating Hillary Clinton, from the nonsense of 2020,

00:31:19.180 from Butler, Pennsylvania, November 5th, it all culminates, where we restore the promise

00:31:24.500 that the founders gave us.

00:31:26.580 And they said, hey, if the people want it, the people get it.

00:31:30.280 And we, the people, take back America.

00:31:32.640 God bless Arizona.

00:31:33.640 And thank you so much.

00:31:44.120 Every day, the American people demand certain accomplishments and victories.

00:31:50.420 Disagreement is what keeps a movement alive, keeps a movement fun.

00:31:54.240 Here in this country, we are a country of flourishing.

00:31:57.760 We're a country of risk-taking.

00:31:59.540 We're a country of building.

00:32:01.020 We will achieve American greatness.

00:32:04.080 And we are just getting started.

00:32:06.240 On the days, your mercy follow me.

00:32:18.640 And we're remembering Charlie Kirk.

00:32:22.800 Want to welcome now back onto Thought Crime.

00:32:27.340 And we don't usually have too many guests, but we actually have a second-time guest here,

00:32:32.180 longtime TPUSA contributor, the great Graham Allen.

00:32:35.800 Graham, come on in, man.

00:32:38.060 Welcome, Graham.

00:32:39.220 Graham, what's up?

00:32:40.380 Gentlemen, gentlemen.

00:32:42.300 Lock in there, buddy.

00:32:45.440 So, Graham, this is your first time back in the room, huh?

00:32:49.980 First time back in the room, it's pretty surreal to see that seat be empty like that.

00:33:02.380 So, thank you guys for allowing me the honor of even sitting next to it.

00:33:08.360 I appreciate it very much.

00:33:09.760 So, yeah, the last time I was here, that seat wasn't empty.

00:33:15.000 So, it's a pretty surreal moment, actually.

00:33:19.920 So, thank you all for allowing me.

00:33:20.440 You know what Mike that is there, by the way, right?

00:33:22.680 Yep, yep.

00:33:23.500 I saw Glenn's beautiful tribute to Charlie by giving him Rush's mic there.

00:33:29.920 And I think that that's where that mic belongs.

00:33:32.940 I think it's unquestionable.

00:33:37.160 I really do.

00:33:38.100 And so, thank you guys for allowing me to be here.

00:33:40.800 I appreciate it.

00:33:41.500 No, thank you for coming in and making the trip.

00:33:43.340 We're happy you're here.

00:33:45.200 And Graham has been a long time, not just contributor, but huge supporter and a great friend to Charlie.

00:33:55.220 We go back a long way, don't we?

00:33:57.360 Long, long, long, long way.

00:33:58.620 To some of those OG campus events.

00:34:02.300 We throw Graham in there.

00:34:03.980 Yeah.

00:34:04.600 My very first trip, my very first trip as I try to connect this thing to the back of my chair.

00:34:08.980 My very first trip out here to Arizona to really, really hang out with Tyler and Charlie and everything.

00:34:16.680 We had this amazing meeting.

00:34:19.120 And they're like, hey, we're going to go debate people who hate us at ASU.

00:34:22.620 Do you want to come along?

00:34:24.580 And I was like, sure, let's do that.

00:34:27.140 And that was legitimately my first ever time out here.

00:34:31.380 And I just, I don't know if I'm allowed to tell this story or not.

00:34:36.200 You could tell any story.

00:34:37.720 We're literally just telling all the stories.

00:34:41.160 And Tyler, I don't know if you saw this, but I'll never forget.

00:34:44.340 It was me.

00:34:45.920 Thank you so much for helping me out here.

00:34:47.680 It was me, Charlie, and Brandon Tatum.

00:34:52.400 And we were getting ready to do the ASU debate.

00:34:55.420 And Charlie's like, we need some hype music.

00:34:58.980 And next thing I know, Straight Outta Compton starts playing.

00:35:02.600 And we start walking to go get ready to do this debate.

00:35:07.840 And the rest was kind of history, I guess you could say.

00:35:10.640 Straight Outta Compton.

00:35:11.640 Straight Outta Compton.

00:35:13.140 For Charlie.

00:35:13.360 I don't know.

00:35:13.820 No, no, no.

00:35:14.260 I don't know if Charlie was the one that played it.

00:35:16.180 And I think Charlie said, we need some motivational music.

00:35:20.080 And somebody played Straight Outta Compton walking through there.

00:35:24.180 And then, you know, the rest is history.

00:35:26.040 The funny early days of this, it was just so funny.

00:35:31.000 I used to, we used to just bring basically anybody that would be able to talk well,

00:35:41.320 speak well, fight well.

00:35:42.760 Graham was one of the earliest guys that had one of the largest channels on Facebook.

00:35:48.600 And I remember, I can remember like all these interactions with Charlie and how we like

00:35:54.420 interacted with everybody that ended up being part of the larger Turning Point family, whether

00:35:58.860 it's, you know, Anna Polina or, you know, anyone else.

00:36:02.680 But, uh, Graham, I remember like Charlie was just intrigued with how you were able to build

00:36:10.040 your podcast and all of your, all your views.

00:36:13.940 That was before we like really had started Charlie's podcast.

00:36:17.480 Yeah.

00:36:17.820 Yeah.

00:36:18.240 We, uh, we met for dinner.

00:36:20.740 Right.

00:36:21.360 It was, you know, I've told this story on, on Dear America several times.

00:36:26.600 I'll never forget riding around in Turning Point's first, like company vehicle.

00:36:31.040 It was like this.

00:36:32.340 I can't, was it a Ford?

00:36:33.780 Is that what it was?

00:36:34.640 I think it was a Jeep.

00:36:35.460 Okay.

00:36:35.820 Well, I think the first one that we had was a Jeep.

00:36:37.420 Either.

00:36:37.820 Well, maybe it was the second one then, but I remember me and Charlie, Charlie was driving.

00:36:41.800 Yeah.

00:36:42.180 Uh, which was terrifying.

00:36:43.420 And Charlie and me were driving, uh, the gray one.

00:36:46.460 Yes.

00:36:46.880 Yeah.

00:36:47.060 It was a Jeep.

00:36:47.920 Okay.

00:36:48.220 Charlie's car.

00:36:48.840 There we go.

00:36:49.440 Yeah.

00:36:49.980 That was, that was Charlie's vehicle.

00:36:51.480 Okay.

00:36:51.840 Well, Charlie's vehicle then, and, and I was just thinking, it's funny you brought that

00:36:56.160 up.

00:36:56.300 Cause I was just thinking about that the other day because now like it changed so much over

00:37:00.600 time, but anyway.

00:37:01.600 Yeah.

00:37:01.780 Well, anyway, I just remember driving down the road and me and Charlie talking about, you

00:37:06.020 know, Turning Point USA and, and, you know, and Tyler, you don't get enough credit for

00:37:10.260 this either.

00:37:10.780 And I've told a lot of people this without, without you and Charlie and Turning Point USA,

00:37:16.180 uh, there is no longevity to Graham Allen or Dear America or anything like that.

00:37:24.100 And so, uh, you know, I make this vow, I, I already made it to Charlie, but I make it

00:37:29.220 to you and, and, and Turning Point here.

00:37:33.000 I will spend the rest of my days to make sure that Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action,

00:37:40.200 in faith and whatever else comes to help you guys take this as far as it's supposed to

00:37:48.420 be.

00:37:48.740 And, you know, I am forever a, a friend of Charlie, but a friend of Erica and Turning

00:37:56.300 Point and you guys.

00:37:57.400 And because I owe you guys so much and, and there's so, there's so many stories of so many

00:38:04.100 people like me that people don't even realize that Charlie and you and Turning Point, uh,

00:38:09.600 helped us all out.

00:38:10.600 And so I'm here for, for, for the long haul, man.

00:38:13.780 Well, 100%.

00:38:14.700 So, uh, I'll say this, Charlie was ecstatic when you joined us, was, was thrilled over

00:38:22.300 the moon because again, I think, again, we all learn from each other.

00:38:25.740 We all grow and, uh, he learned so much from those early things that you taught him through

00:38:33.060 all of the podcasts.

00:38:34.100 I mean, that's like lit a fire underneath them because again, I don't think you guys

00:38:37.540 understand.

00:38:38.220 I don't know if you remember, but Graham was like crushing Facebook.

00:38:44.000 I remember.

00:38:44.780 Before the shutdown, like the big evil empire.

00:38:47.400 No, he was like the guy.

00:38:48.980 He became like bigger than Fox, uh, in like so many different ways and was huge.

00:38:55.300 And like his go-to and the following and the love that people have for Graham Allen is

00:38:59.460 like, and unlike anything that we had ever seen to that point.

00:39:03.640 And so it's just, it's just like a, a multi road.

00:39:08.160 Yeah.

00:39:08.700 Multi-directional love fest.

00:39:10.880 That's been here this week.

00:39:11.900 I learned actually, because there's so many stories, including Graham's that like help culminate

00:39:17.780 into what we see today.

00:39:19.520 Well, part of, part of the lore of Graham Allen, people don't realize this, but Blake actually

00:39:24.300 learned how to drive from watching Graham Allen rant videos in his car.

00:39:29.400 And, and that's why Blake only drives with one arm.

00:39:32.100 Yeah.

00:39:32.680 Because his other, his other hand, he's holding camera.

00:39:34.560 All you have to do is rant and they don't pull you over.

00:39:36.620 It's the craziest thing that goes.

00:39:39.080 So, so I want to hear, tell us about some of your thoughts, Graham.

00:39:47.840 What are, what are some of your impressions that you've got since the, this tragic, that

00:39:51.900 the tragedy that happened, uh, to our friend last week?

00:39:55.100 Um, what have you seen from your corner of the world?

00:39:57.520 Cause you come from a totally different cultural place than I come from.

00:40:01.500 I'm a, I'm a Southwestern Yankee and that's, that's my whole family.

00:40:07.400 So yeah, what, what, tell us kind of what your thoughts are and what your impressions have

00:40:12.400 been.

00:40:12.840 Well, uh, forgive me.

00:40:14.960 Like I said, I'm trying to, in real time, uh, just adjust to, to, to, to the chair here.

00:40:22.080 Uh, uh, anyway, uh, on my side of the world, I'll tell you one, I just want to point out

00:40:29.820 the fact of what you are seeing across the country is a move of God.

00:40:36.680 I truly believe it.

00:40:37.920 And, and, and, and, and I hope, I hope I word this the right way.

00:40:44.480 I truly believe that if, if Charlie knew that this horrific tragedy would, would have kicked

00:40:53.700 off what we're seeing the Lord doing right now, I think, I think he, I think he would

00:41:02.400 not change a thing.

00:41:03.920 You know, I really believe that I, I really, I really think that that's who Charlie was.

00:41:09.600 And so, uh, this move of God is, is something only God could do.

00:41:15.120 Um, and, and, and, and that's amazing to see, uh, I will say, and I'm sure that you guys

00:41:21.220 have seen the same thing, that it also reveals that we still have a lot of work to do.

00:41:24.540 Uh, you know, there's a lot of people that have had, um, horrible reactions and there's,

00:41:31.820 there's still a lot of work to be done in this country.

00:41:35.520 Um, I don't want to take away from the, the, the, the miracles that, that God is working.

00:41:40.760 I mean, just coming in here and I appreciate, uh, the, the security that you guys have around

00:41:46.420 here.

00:41:46.600 They stopped me and would not let me anywhere, anywhere near this place originally, which

00:41:52.260 is great.

00:41:52.820 And all this, but, but just seeing the memorials out there, by the way, that's because they

00:41:57.120 knew it was you, but probably, probably was it.

00:41:59.720 There was, there was a world that we had.

00:42:00.900 He's going to walk in here.

00:42:02.460 There was an incident.

00:42:04.580 We're not going to talk about that right now.

00:42:05.740 It's all resetting.

00:42:07.500 We're resetting.

00:42:08.320 Yes, exactly.

00:42:09.180 That was the NDA.

00:42:09.960 No, I'm just kidding.

00:42:11.080 Whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:42:11.820 I'm kidding.

00:42:12.300 I'm kidding.

00:42:12.700 But no, see, seeing the memorials out there and there's a guy holding a cross out there.

00:42:18.840 You know, he drove here.

00:42:20.020 Really?

00:42:20.560 No, I didn't.

00:42:21.360 I didn't.

00:42:22.460 Wow.

00:42:22.920 Cause I asked him, I was like, how did you, I was like, do you get that on a plane?

00:42:26.120 Did this, this, it's, it's like the size of the true cross.

00:42:28.800 Yeah.

00:42:29.140 And he said, no, he said, no, I drove here in my truck.

00:42:32.180 I said, well, where'd you drive from?

00:42:33.340 I'm thinking like he's, you know, in the area or something like the other end of the valley.

00:42:37.240 He goes, oh, Detroit.

00:42:38.640 Wait, I'm like, wait, and I'm doing the math.

00:42:42.100 I'm like, so you must've heard the news.

00:42:44.180 He said, I heard the news, got in the car, got in the car.

00:42:47.300 Alyssa, my wife is here.

00:42:48.680 And she was out praying with people that are just never met Charlie, but they're so distraught.

00:42:58.760 And you know what I think it is?

00:42:59.740 I think it's believers.

00:43:01.760 We know that when we accept the Lord Jesus Christ in our heart, the Holy Spirit comes and dwells within us.

00:43:09.920 And I think other believers feel so connected to Charlie because the same Holy Spirit that dwells within them dwelled within Charlie.

00:43:19.480 And so my wife was out there praying with people and she literally told me that there's people that just drove here just to hand out water to the people that are just here to pay tribute to Charlie.

00:43:33.700 I mean, it can only be the Lord.

00:43:40.420 And I just want to not to take away from Charlie in any way, but just, I mean, what we're seeing, it does make sense, but it doesn't make sense at the same time.

00:43:51.280 But it only makes sense because that's how God just works sometimes.

00:43:57.800 And so it's been a very emotional day.

00:44:01.220 It's been a very emotional week.

00:44:02.440 I can't imagine what it's been like for you guys.

00:44:04.920 But again, I'm honored.

00:44:06.780 I know you guys have been inundated and I'm just honored that you guys allowed me to even come in here and just to be able to be with you guys and to be in this room.

00:44:17.000 Because I know that you guys have gotten, I can't even imagine how many people want to show up.

00:44:22.060 More than welcome.

00:44:22.880 But I did want to get in because we've, you know, we've, we've been, we've been going at this for about 45 minutes now.

00:44:29.580 And we haven't actually gotten to any thought crimes yet.

00:44:32.260 The title is?

00:44:33.060 And we do have, we have a mandate, we have a, we have a charge, we have a mission from God.

00:44:38.760 And you mentioned some of the reactions to Charlie's death.

00:44:43.060 And as it turns out, a very well-known individual made some reactions to Charlie's death that in fact reference this humble show.

00:44:57.020 And I'd like.

00:44:58.140 Who could it be, Jack?

00:44:59.240 Oh, you're about to find out.

00:45:00.920 It would have to be someone incredibly famous.

00:45:02.640 Like.

00:45:02.860 Yes.

00:45:03.340 Like some, I don't know.

00:45:05.200 Oh, very, oh, very famous.

00:45:07.060 Could it be a member of Congress?

00:45:09.720 Famouser.

00:45:10.280 He might be.

00:45:10.700 Famouser than a member of Congress?

00:45:12.060 He might be a foreign national.

00:45:14.560 Oh.

00:45:15.360 Oh.

00:45:15.820 Even foreigner.

00:45:19.440 Folks, let's play clip 124.

00:45:23.220 Obviously, I didn't know Charlie Kirk.

00:45:26.480 I was generally aware of some of his ideas.

00:45:32.820 I think those ideas were wrong.

00:45:35.220 But that doesn't negate the fact that what happened was a tragedy and that I mourned for him and his family.

00:45:45.380 He was a young man with two small children and a wife who, obviously, and a huge number of friends and supporters who cared about him.

00:45:55.120 So we have to extend grace to people during their period of mourning and shock.

00:46:04.720 We can also, at the same time, say that I disagree with the idea that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake.

00:46:21.440 Wait, did it cut off?

00:46:30.140 Did it cut off?

00:46:30.720 We needed more.

00:46:31.420 Because there's more.

00:46:32.260 I think there's more in the clip, right?

00:46:34.780 Because, yeah, he mentions the Civil Rights one.

00:46:37.280 All right, they're getting more.

00:46:38.360 They're going to pull more.

00:46:39.120 Is that pulled straight from the feed, guys?

00:46:41.660 Did we get the answer?

00:46:42.700 Yeah, I don't know.

00:46:43.760 I don't know.

00:46:44.140 For those who weren't paying attention.

00:46:45.340 So hold on.

00:46:45.660 I know there's more in the clip, and I think there's an issue with the clip, so we're going to get it back up.

00:46:51.700 But I'm sorry, Blake, did he just reference the Thought Crime podcast?

00:46:58.480 I think he did.

00:47:00.100 I think he did.

00:47:00.800 He specifically, specifically referenced this very podcast, an episode that we had where we were discussing the Civil Rights Act.

00:47:11.640 It's gone quite viral.

00:47:12.820 And, you know, Charlie has been, you know, questioned about his comments on that.

00:47:18.840 And now this podcast has gotten so big that, like, the most powerful member of the Democrat Party, if you had to pick a leader of the Democrat Party, you would have to say it's Barack Obama.

00:47:33.780 You would have to still say, yes.

00:47:35.520 You'd have to.

00:47:36.140 Like, who else could it be?

00:47:37.460 There's no other power behind the throne.

00:47:40.380 And, well, I mean, we could talk about that.

00:47:43.920 But in terms of a specific individual who's the leader, I mean, it's unequivocally, it's Barack Obama.

00:47:50.180 So you've got Barack Obama wants to still be relevant.

00:47:54.340 And the Democrats are now so bad, so bad, that in order to stay relevant, he's got to criticize Charlie Kirk and criticize thought crime.

00:48:05.440 Correct.

00:48:06.420 So, Tyler, talk to me about going from the start of the rest of it, if we want to watch.

00:48:13.540 Yeah, let's watch.

00:48:14.280 Wait, let's watch the rest of the clip.

00:48:15.600 Oh, we have it?

00:48:16.320 Yeah, let's throw it up.

00:48:16.940 I disagree with the idea that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake.

00:48:27.040 That's not me politicizing the issue.

00:48:32.200 It's making an observation about who are we as a country.

00:48:39.300 I can say that I disagree with the suggestion that my wife or Justice Jackson does not have adequate brain processing power.

00:48:57.320 I can say that I disagree that Martin Luther King was awful.

00:49:11.280 I can disagree with some of the broader suggestions that liberals and Democrats are promoting a conspiracy to displace whites and replace them.

00:49:35.980 By ushering in illegal immigrants.

00:49:42.380 Those are all topics that we have to be able to discuss.

00:49:45.100 Yeah, the Democrats would never do that.

00:49:46.620 Did he just admit that they are?

00:49:48.960 And then brag about it.

00:49:49.940 No, they would never ever do that.

00:49:51.440 That was incriminating.

00:49:52.180 That is the greatest clip ever.

00:49:54.020 Charlie got Barack Obama.

00:49:56.280 He's laughing so hard.

00:49:59.320 He's getting a nice, long LMAO.

00:50:01.760 Charlie used to always put in the chat when he thought something was funny, LMAO.

00:50:04.360 So, he is LMAO-ing right now so hard that he got Barack Obama.

00:50:10.480 Laving my ashtray off.

00:50:11.900 And OMG.

00:50:12.800 He used that one a lot for really funny stuff.

00:50:15.060 Oh, my gosh.

00:50:15.620 Not only.

00:50:16.120 Oh, my gosh.

00:50:16.620 Oh, my gosh.

00:50:16.980 To be clear.

00:50:17.720 That he got Barack Obama to publicly say that he was bothered by the fact that Charlie

00:50:27.400 said that he had limited brain power.

00:50:29.740 No, that Michelle.

00:50:30.520 Michelle.

00:50:31.020 Michelle.

00:50:31.260 I'm sorry, John D. Brown Jackson.

00:50:32.780 Which is great because it had limited brain processing power.

00:50:35.820 Which is great because all it was, I remember this.

00:50:36.920 I believe it was at, it was when we had the event in Palm Beach, I believe.

00:50:41.020 Yeah.

00:50:41.680 The one that was, you know, quite the ordeal overall.

00:50:45.640 The one where they only gave us like one secret service thing.

00:50:47.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:50:47.980 So, we had a ton of trouble getting people in.

00:50:49.000 That wasn't a SASS.

00:50:49.900 That was something else.

00:50:50.640 It wasn't called SASS at the time.

00:50:52.540 It was Action Conference?

00:50:53.160 It was ACT-CON.

00:50:53.800 It was ACT-CON.

00:50:54.560 Yeah, ACT-CON.

00:50:54.980 And I think it was while we were at ACT-CON, and everything's a disaster, but we have in

00:50:58.760 one normal show, and we do a segment on Michelle Obama's thesis at Princeton.

00:51:07.200 And he took so much delight in reading that.

00:51:09.100 And we were really, we were just reading a Christopher Hitchens article that was in Slate in 2003 or

00:51:15.220 so, and yeah, 2008, 2008.

00:51:18.780 And, you know, it's so great because I, does Slate still exist?

00:51:21.920 I actually have no idea.

00:51:22.780 Well, their website's still up.

00:51:24.620 They have been wiped from existence.

00:51:26.020 Yeah, and they became this like big live outlet that would have probably trashed Charlie

00:51:29.640 Kirk, but yeah, he just took so much joy from reading it.

00:51:34.000 Hitchens was like, the thesis could not, strictly speaking, be read in the strictest sense of

00:51:39.020 the verb.

00:51:39.420 That is because it was not written in any known language.

00:51:42.180 That's funny.

00:51:47.440 Good times.

00:51:48.200 Just Charlie bugging that, I mean, again, just Charlie bugging Obama that we never knew this

00:51:55.900 because Obama never commented on Charlie, right?

00:51:58.280 He never had a reason to, he would ignore all these things, but he's in such the news

00:52:04.300 right now, obviously, with everything going on that every living president has to comment

00:52:10.000 on the death of our friend, and Barack Obama can't get away from it.

00:52:15.840 They're both from Chicago.

00:52:17.760 Yeah.

00:52:18.000 So they're both having, all these people asking him questions, and he's so bothered that he

00:52:23.160 gets in front of a crowd, and he basically just unloads how bothered he is, and how,

00:52:27.840 basically, he's told the whole world for years how bothered he's been by Charlie Kirk.

00:52:31.960 Wait a minute.

00:52:32.540 Wait, wait, wait.

00:52:33.440 Hold on a second, though.

00:52:34.620 Hold on.

00:52:35.080 Hold on.

00:52:35.460 All right, let's go real thought crime here.

00:52:37.700 What if, what if he knew what he was saying about Michelle?

00:52:42.080 Because there's all those rumors that there's like a split up going on between him and Michelle.

00:52:47.060 Oh, yeah.

00:52:47.220 So what if he couched it as, I'm really, I really don't agree with that Charlie Kirk when

00:52:54.360 he says, my wife is an idiot.

00:52:56.860 I can't believe he would say that, that darn Charlie Kirk.

00:53:03.460 Gosh darn it.

00:53:04.120 I totally disagree, because she's definitely not an idiot.

00:53:08.900 Yeah.

00:53:09.240 I don't know.

00:53:09.680 Maybe.

00:53:09.980 Well, he started off by saying that he was vaguely, only vaguely familiar.

00:53:13.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:53:14.360 He always does this.

00:53:14.500 And then he lists 147 points.

00:53:17.060 Yeah, and he's got like memorized quotes.

00:53:18.980 I've never heard anything about Charlie except these memorized quotes that I have.

00:53:22.400 Just like everybody else, Barack Obama and all the people that work with him have been

00:53:26.240 watching Charlie Kirk for years, just like every single person on the left, because they

00:53:32.300 hate him, because he was effective, and he was actually, he was destroying them.

00:53:36.860 Charlie Kirk was almost single-handedly destroying them, especially with the youth.

00:53:42.620 And yeah, forgive Charlie and us for questioning someone that can't even define what a woman

00:53:48.640 is, you know?

00:53:49.640 So, I mean, that's my thought.

00:53:51.440 That's wild.

00:53:51.960 Oh, that's absolutely wild.

00:53:54.480 All right.

00:53:54.920 Well, we have to get into, I think, our actual debate.

00:54:00.180 We've got to go at it.

00:54:01.040 Of the night.

00:54:01.640 All right.

00:54:02.020 Let's do it.

00:54:02.600 And of course, this all comes down to another Democrat official who made other comments

00:54:13.040 about Charlie Kirk, comments that were completely wrong, thought these were the misinformation,

00:54:19.600 disinformation, disinformation, police.

00:54:21.860 But, oh, oh, no, no, no, no.

00:54:24.100 So, I want to play, I want to play, where is it?

00:54:29.740 Guys, we have the actual clip of him saying it, right?

00:54:32.100 I'm not seeing any of the list.

00:54:37.200 Uh-oh.

00:54:42.140 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:54:44.540 Well, actually, let's play, let's play clip 115 first.

00:54:49.780 ABC decided to cancel their highest rated show, Roseanne, following a tweet in which Roseanne

00:54:56.240 compared an African-American woman, a former advisor to President Obama, to an ape, which

00:55:01.060 did not sit well with ABC management or anyone with a brain, really.

00:55:04.940 So, they announced that this first season of the show is also its last, which is a huge

00:55:11.020 blow to business.

00:55:12.380 I mean, we don't have much on this network.

00:55:14.540 We're hoping the NBA Finals goes 11 games this year.

00:55:18.320 We're still airing America's Funniest Home Videos, okay?

00:55:24.760 I hate his voice.

00:55:26.000 So, that's the start.

00:55:27.340 That's the start.

00:55:28.160 And then I think we have, I think on my list it says 127, clip 127.

00:55:32.200 Jimmy, yeah, making fun of Roseanne.

00:55:36.640 It says, it says, it says Kimmel 127 on my list.

00:55:43.100 After much prayer and reflection, the president this morning decided to take the difficult

00:55:47.320 step of condemning Nazis in the Klan, which was big for him because this is the sort of

00:55:52.000 thing that could alienate his base.

00:55:53.700 If you've ever wondered what is the polar opposite of MLK Day, it is the Iowa Republican

00:55:59.500 Caucus.

00:56:00.100 CPAC, if you don't know, is an annual event.

00:56:02.680 It's like Comic-Con for neocons and neo-Nazis.

00:56:06.700 Major League Baseball has decided not to have the All-Star Game in Atlanta this summer in

00:56:10.800 response to the new law they passed in Georgia that tries to discourage people of color from

00:56:15.780 voting.

00:56:16.240 So, baseball did the right thing and pulled the game, and now the Red Hatters are mad at

00:56:20.760 them.

00:56:21.040 We had the choice between a prosecutor and a criminal, and we chose the criminal to be

00:56:25.220 president of the United States.

00:56:26.880 More than half of this country voted for the criminal.

00:56:30.000 People who have lived here their whole lives, people who have been in this city longer than

00:56:34.460 I have, the vast majority of whom have never done anything wrong or being abducted, which

00:56:39.580 is the correct word to use, by agents in masks, hiding their identities, grabbing people off

00:56:44.820 the street.

00:56:45.320 We hit some new lows over the weekend, with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize

00:56:50.040 this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything

00:56:54.820 they can to score political points from it.

00:56:58.620 Oh, no!

00:57:00.320 That's misinformation and disinformation!

00:57:02.860 So, Blake, what has happened since Jimmy Kimmel made those false comments?

00:57:09.400 Yeah, that was Monday night on his show, so let's be clear.

00:57:13.200 If he was going to suggest that, like, some groiper or whatever killed Charlie, if he did

00:57:19.100 it the night of, it would be gross.

00:57:20.840 It'd be disgusting, but he would at least have the defense that, like, we didn't really know

00:57:24.540 anything yet.

00:57:25.080 We hadn't caught the shooter.

00:57:26.720 But, like, Monday night, we kind of already had all these reports on him.

00:57:31.440 We kind of knew what we were working with here, and he still just runs with, oh, like,

00:57:35.760 it was obviously some guy on the right who killed Charlie, and then, you know, all of

00:57:40.940 us celebrated it on the left.

00:57:44.420 He's clearly telling his audience that this kid was MAGA.

00:57:47.060 Yeah, yeah, and he is furthering what really was, this is what I think really enraged people,

00:57:51.140 is we basically had a disinformation app.

00:57:52.820 We had a poll by either Friday or Monday morning where more people told YouGov that

00:57:59.300 the shooter was a Republican than a Democrat, and it's not in the parties that matter.

00:58:03.320 It's clearly that's, the abstract there is for what was the ideology.

00:58:07.320 We had Heather Cox Richardson, the number one most subscribed person on Substack, I believe,

00:58:12.040 was just going around, oh, it's a right-wing guy who did this.

00:58:15.200 I saw all these people on Blue Sky were pushing this interview where they just asked a family

00:58:20.060 member and was like, oh, yeah, the family's full of Republicans, and they just took that

00:58:25.760 as proof.

00:58:26.060 Oh, oh, it was a right-winger who did it.

00:58:28.400 Case closed.

00:58:29.640 And I think that's really what set people off.

00:58:32.300 It fit into this, like, absolutely obnoxious frame of, first, they celebrate what happened.

00:58:39.700 They celebrate a political assassination of somebody, of a good man, of a good man who was

00:58:45.160 out there doing free speech on campus.

00:58:46.760 They celebrate that murder, lie about that, and then they lie about who did it, and then

00:58:51.780 subsequently lie that they did that either.

00:58:53.440 They're still lying about it.

00:58:54.880 And so, what happened since then?

00:58:56.540 That was Monday night.

00:58:57.880 He had Tuesday.

00:58:58.960 He had Tuesday.

00:59:00.040 He could have apologized that Tuesday night.

00:59:02.740 We had the charging documents from the state of Utah.

00:59:05.860 Made it clear what happened.

00:59:07.080 He didn't.

00:59:07.880 And so on Wednesday, they took him off the air.

00:59:09.400 Well, so there's a couple angles on this.

00:59:12.920 The Wall Street Journal has come out and has a series of articles now saying that this

00:59:18.760 was a bottom-up rebellion, that the local affiliates, those groups that get, so the way

00:59:26.880 these networks work, the broadcast networks, is that they have local affiliates that are

00:59:30.440 independently owned, or in many cases are owned by conglomerates, but are different companies

00:59:34.420 than ABC, independently from ABC is what I'm saying.

00:59:37.700 And then they typically get their revenue from local businesses, and occasionally national

00:59:44.440 businesses as well.

00:59:45.660 And so it's complicated.

00:59:47.580 But the idea being then that they were getting calls from advertisers, they were getting calls

00:59:52.420 from locals, complaints all over, saying, hey, this guy basically just blamed half of

00:59:57.860 the country for Charlie's murder, and is sort of saying that he deserved it, like, obviously

01:00:03.000 with his mocking tone.

01:00:04.800 And yeah, we don't want to support that anymore.

01:00:07.480 And plus, everybody knows the cost over, it's the same issue with Colbert, the cost over

01:00:11.520 runs were there, the ratings were not.

01:00:14.680 I think, Blake, didn't we pull up the actual ratings in the demo?

01:00:18.420 Yeah, we did.

01:00:19.260 They were behind Colbert, and Colbert's show is not doing well enough.

01:00:22.700 So he had lower ratings than Colbert.

01:00:24.060 Yeah.

01:00:24.240 And so people saying, like, you know, it just made sense, you know, complaints, no money,

01:00:31.040 losing money, do it.

01:00:32.720 But here's the other side of it is that the FCC chairman also commented on this and made

01:00:43.120 comments that are being construed by the entire left as essentially threatening ABC.

01:00:52.380 That's that's what they're saying.

01:00:54.380 And I think we've seen that all the, you know, here's here's what he's talking about.

01:01:00.160 The broadcast TV light.

01:01:01.160 He said, if you have a.

01:01:02.380 Let's just play it.

01:01:04.020 It's only a minute.

01:01:04.600 Clip 93.

01:01:06.960 Broadcast TV is different.

01:01:08.460 We're on a cable show right now.

01:01:09.860 You don't have an FCC license.

01:01:11.580 You don't have an obligation to serve the public interest.

01:01:14.500 Podcasts don't either.

01:01:16.020 Stand up comedians, whether they're on lots of forms of communications, don't.

01:01:19.400 And Kimmel is free to do that.

01:01:20.960 But if you have a broadcast TV license, that means that you have something that very few

01:01:26.440 people have.

01:01:27.300 And you're excluding other people from having access to that valuable public resource.

01:01:31.340 And it comes with an obligation to serve the public interest.

01:01:34.220 And again, over the years, there's been a rule in place of the FCC that local TV stations

01:01:39.040 get to preempt programming that they don't think meets the needs of their communities.

01:01:43.460 But recently, these national programmers, ABC, Disney, Comcast, NBC, they've been exercising

01:01:49.440 outsized control and power over those local TV stations.

01:01:54.040 And there's been no pushback.

01:01:55.520 And this is a very significant moment because local broadcasters are now pushing back on national

01:02:00.920 programmers for the first time that I can think of in modern history.

01:02:04.720 And that's one thing we want at the FCC.

01:02:06.240 We want to empower local broadcasters that have the public interest obligation to push

01:02:11.640 back on national programmers so that people have more choice.

01:02:16.220 So I want to read that was after he got suspended.

01:02:18.760 But what people are really reacting to from Carr is he made some statements before the

01:02:23.800 suspension was announced.

01:02:24.960 And I think that was actually on Benny Johnson's show.

01:02:26.920 And what he said is, actually, do we have that clip with Johnson?

01:02:33.160 I didn't see it on the, I didn't see it.

01:02:35.000 No worries.

01:02:35.240 No worries.

01:02:35.520 I can just read the quote here.

01:02:37.080 So he was saying, paraphrasing what he said on Johnson's show.

01:02:40.080 He was kind of making a similar thing.

01:02:41.500 He said it was truly sick.

01:02:42.600 And he said there was a, quote, strong case for some sort of FCC action against ABC and

01:02:48.700 Disney, its parent company.

01:02:49.980 He said, quote, this is a very, very serious issue right now for Disney.

01:02:54.140 This is the quote people are really fixing on.

01:02:56.940 We can do this the easy way or the hard way.

01:03:00.380 These companies can find ways to take action on Kimmel or there is going to be additional

01:03:06.060 work for the FCC ahead.

01:03:08.180 They have a license granted by us at the FCC, and that comes with it an obligation to operate

01:03:14.160 in the public interest.

01:03:15.220 So here's the, here's the twist is does this constitute, and what they're saying is, does,

01:03:26.240 and I want to debate this a little bit, does this constitute a violation of the first amendment?

01:03:33.020 Did the federal government coerce ABC into the firing of Jimmy Kimmel?

01:03:38.920 I, no, no, I don't, anyone that's trying to make it as if it's only because of Jimmy Kimmel's

01:03:51.060 remarks and then the FCC came in and said, we could do this the easy way or the hard way.

01:03:55.800 Also, I don't think that's influencing something.

01:03:58.480 If Jimmy Kimmel came out and apologized the very next day, he would probably still be on

01:04:05.740 the air.

01:04:06.020 And here's another thing, I would also venture to say that if, if every single conservative,

01:04:12.740 including Benny Johnson and us and everybody said, we demand you put Jimmy Kimmel back

01:04:17.680 on because we believe in free speech, they wouldn't do it because they were bleeding money

01:04:21.900 on this guy.

01:04:22.660 This was just the thing that was the final straw that broke the camel's back.

01:04:27.060 Here's the deal about free speech.

01:04:29.040 Free speech technically under the constitution protects the federal government from coming

01:04:34.360 in and firing you or putting you in prison or murdering you, you know, those type of

01:04:41.860 things, right?

01:04:42.940 Freedom of speech does not guarantee your continued employment when your private employer may or

01:04:51.140 may not have a problem with things that you do whilst in the office or even off site

01:04:57.580 or off air in the office or outside of the office.

01:05:01.040 So I don't see how this infringes upon Jimmy Kimmel's first amendment rights in any way,

01:05:07.620 shape, form or fashion.

01:05:08.500 Same thing with Colin Kaepernick back in the day.

01:05:11.020 None of us conservatives argued the fact of, of course, Colin Kaepernick has the right to

01:05:16.840 protest and kneel for the national anthem.

01:05:18.640 However, the 49ers who signed his checks and the NFL and all of this, the fan base has a

01:05:25.340 problem with it.

01:05:25.880 The NFL starts losing money.

01:05:27.440 So guess what happens?

01:05:28.440 I mean, that's, that's just how these things work.

01:05:31.320 And I actually really love the fact that he went into further detail and actually said to

01:05:36.900 quote one of Tyler's favorite words, the grassroots actually were the ones that led this pushback.

01:05:43.860 And it's the first time they've seen it in a long time because we've had these, these

01:05:48.080 huge, huge national broadcasting networks imposing their will of what they want to jam

01:05:55.020 down our throats.

01:05:56.000 And then now you had the little guys pushing back and say, no, we don't want this.

01:05:59.900 Get this dude out of here.

01:06:01.120 Yeah.

01:06:01.340 And look, he has the free, he has the freedom to go start his own network, right?

01:06:06.360 Like that's, you know, Jimmy should go do what Jimmy did to his friend, Adam, which was,

01:06:12.940 you know, box him into a corner where he was boxed out of, you know, the national spotlight

01:06:19.800 and he didn't bring him along for, to make sure that he was taken care of.

01:06:23.300 He didn't.

01:06:23.840 Yeah.

01:06:23.960 So they, they, um, for people who don't know just what Tyler's referring to is, um, is

01:06:28.820 that they were co-hosts of the man years ago and if you're, if you're a certain age,

01:06:34.940 I mean, that was just like the hit show.

01:06:37.940 I think he came on right now for South Park, um, and on Comedy Central and it was just this

01:06:43.240 great, hilarious, extremely politically incorrect show.

01:06:47.300 Oh, absolutely.

01:06:48.780 Um, and, and amazing, like just an amazing show.

01:06:51.060 And he hosted it with Adam Carolla who did not apologize and sell out his values.

01:06:56.340 And that's why, as Tyler says, he was putting this sort of blacklisted.

01:06:59.940 He was blacklisted and, and, and Jimmy Kimmel as a friend, uh, shunned his friend and, and

01:07:07.780 again, this is just, I don't know their personal relationship.

01:07:09.620 I don't know Adam Carolla in a personal way.

01:07:11.900 I'm just taking this from everything I've read publicly and, uh, the comments and everything

01:07:17.620 else.

01:07:17.900 But Adam Carolla had to go out after that and basically build his own empire.

01:07:24.000 And then on top of that, when all conservatives got canceled, Adam Carolla was one of the

01:07:29.380 only people who spoke up on behalf of conservatives who did nothing except talk about the truth

01:07:35.460 in places that were private, that were, that were, they weren't on national TV again with

01:07:42.320 these, these, uh, these licenses that are being talked about by the FCC commissioner.

01:07:46.660 So you have, uh, a person who is really a hypocrite and Jimmy Kimmel who didn't stand up for even

01:07:55.340 for his closest friends, in my opinion, and now is now under the, the heat seeking missile

01:08:01.760 of the current Trump administration and no one feels bad for him.

01:08:06.260 And you can see, you can understand why.

01:08:09.300 So first of all, uh, I want to thank, uh, L love 78 donated $50.

01:08:14.560 God bless you all.

01:08:15.520 God bless you.

01:08:17.100 I love 78.

01:08:18.540 And we'll see if you regret that because I'm going to wade into this one.

01:08:22.740 I'm going to say it.

01:08:23.940 I wish Brendan Carr hadn't said anything about this because first of all, I agree.

01:08:30.400 I think what Kimmel said was extremely disgusting.

01:08:33.360 I think it was gross for like a late night comedy host, which generally I think late night

01:08:39.020 comedy should be kind of a big tent thing.

01:08:41.120 It should be a thing most people can watch.

01:08:43.320 And it hasn't been that for a while after 2016.

01:08:46.800 It really did.

01:08:47.880 It should be, it should be like Johnny.

01:08:49.160 You're a believer.

01:08:50.020 It should be like Johnny Carson.

01:08:51.480 That's what most of us want, but it kind of became this like seal clapping, you know,

01:08:55.800 fake politics comedy where you say a political thing.

01:08:58.620 It's allegedly comedic, but you, you really laugh cause you're on the same team and it's like

01:09:02.880 fake.

01:09:03.900 And they went, they went like so far left to Bill Maher.

01:09:07.300 And yeah, I think what's crazy about late night on the big channels is like they, they

01:09:13.880 hop, skipped and jumped over Bill Maher and the daily show with Jon Stewart because they

01:09:18.760 saw that that worked, you know, on the cable channels.

01:09:21.400 And, and then they went like way so far to the left.

01:09:25.400 They like, it's such a departure from the Johnny Carson, even Jay Leno era.

01:09:29.000 It just, it just became painful.

01:09:30.460 It became painful.

01:09:30.880 And even David Letterman.

01:09:31.700 I wish he hadn't said anything because, you know, we, you know, we can say there is a

01:09:36.300 difference between, you know, yeah.

01:09:38.780 Freedom of speech.

01:09:39.960 The first amendment, it protects you from the government silencing your speech.

01:09:42.960 But I think that does meaningfully include the government can't like come in and like

01:09:49.200 glare at you really hard and like flex its muscles and like do this mafia, like would

01:09:54.440 be a shame if something happened to your nice little business and then be like, well,

01:09:58.840 we didn't do anything cause we didn't literally sue them or regulate them.

01:10:02.680 And I recognize it should be said the Biden administration did very similar things to this.

01:10:07.760 Yep.

01:10:08.280 Uh, and it is bad.

01:10:09.360 And we were against it and we were against it.

01:10:11.040 We were against it.

01:10:11.580 We've had, for example, there was a Supreme Court case a year or two ago, uh, that one.

01:10:16.960 But I was also thinking of, um, Volo versus, uh, the NRA, I believe is what it was.

01:10:21.260 It was a New York state case.

01:10:23.000 And what New York state did is they had their banking regulator send a letter to like every

01:10:28.980 bank and insurance company.

01:10:30.580 That's just like, you know, a lot of people might be concerned that you do business with

01:10:37.300 the NRA because like the NRA, it's a very radical group.

01:10:41.040 And like, it could hurt your reputation and, you know, reputation is a part of what makes

01:10:44.500 you a reputable financial institution that you're not, you don't have bad clients and

01:10:49.040 you should take that under advisement because, you know, we're New York, we regulate a lot

01:10:53.120 of financial institutions.

01:10:54.100 We, we're looking out for your best interests.

01:10:56.320 And they sued successfully pointing out, and I think they got a 9-0 Supreme Court decision

01:11:01.400 on this, if I remember right, where they just pointed out, okay, the government can't,

01:11:06.760 like, the government can make an opinion.

01:11:09.300 The government is allowed to argue something.

01:11:11.000 That has been ruled.

01:11:11.700 But the government can't sort of vaguely threaten action because everyone knows the

01:11:17.080 government can do a lot of powerful things.

01:11:19.500 And you can't limit a government attack on speech to literal direct action.

01:11:23.680 Well, and that should also include threats, even if they don't act on them.

01:11:26.420 But that was, that was the government's whole argument, the case, right?

01:11:28.780 If I remember correctly, the solicitor general was saying, well, there's no specific threat

01:11:32.400 that was made, there's no specific, it was the perception of the threats.

01:11:36.440 Yeah.

01:11:36.860 And I, I got it.

01:11:38.420 And that was, I want to say that was 9-0.

01:11:40.300 Yes, I believe so.

01:11:41.280 Yeah.

01:11:41.460 And I got, I got to say, I, I'm torn on this one because as, as much as like, I support

01:11:49.840 the right finally using power and finally using institutions of power, it, it is one of those

01:11:56.040 things where it's like, I wish we had just let it be the grassroots, that's the other

01:12:02.620 thing, you know, bottom up rebellion.

01:12:05.580 And now they have this perception and narrative that they can talk about.

01:12:09.560 And I'm just saying, like, I know we're on thought crime, right?

01:12:11.940 So we're committing thought crimes is I wish it were cleaner.

01:12:15.620 I wish it were cleaner.

01:12:16.700 I wish it were cleaner.

01:12:17.320 And we actually had this great organic burst of when there were those people celebrating

01:12:22.600 it in the days after and people were, you know, they were creating websites and spreadsheets

01:12:27.720 to log everyone, not, not because it was some government thing, not because it was a political

01:12:31.860 lot, because people were genuinely hugely upset at the disgusting behavior people were

01:12:36.860 engaging in and they wanted to make sure other people knew about this disgusting behavior.

01:12:40.940 And a lot of people got in trouble.

01:12:42.560 They got suspended.

01:12:43.220 They lost their jobs.

01:12:44.040 And now this is going to be used to retroactively change that to, you know, the F the Trump FCC

01:12:50.920 went and used the martyrdom of a free speech advocate to attack freedom of speech.

01:12:58.080 And I'm going to be sad if they're able to run that propaganda op when they didn't have

01:13:02.600 to be able to.

01:13:03.480 Well, and it comes, what, just a couple of days after this whole, like, the hate speech

01:13:10.480 thing with the attorney general.

01:13:12.380 And I get that she's kind of walked it back now.

01:13:15.100 I think that's smart.

01:13:16.120 I'm glad that she clarified what she meant when she was talking about the difference between

01:13:19.880 hate speech and free speech.

01:13:21.520 And yet again, these are the left's rhetoric.

01:13:26.480 This is the left's frame that the government should control speech and the government should

01:13:32.180 be able to determine who is allowed and who isn't allowed to speak.

01:13:36.020 And now, obviously, FCC, we all know that FCC licenses are a serious thing.

01:13:41.280 But if you're going to make that case, then, like, do it the right way, right?

01:13:44.980 Actually find the violation and file the case and bring it up and make that make that argument.

01:13:50.740 Because if we've got government officials running around acting like we're going to police speech

01:13:57.240 and I'm not looking at the chat right now.

01:13:58.940 So I don't know if I'm getting flamed or not.

01:14:00.880 But that it's I'm just saying, guys, I'm just saying, like, is Kimmel still getting paid?

01:14:05.660 He's only suspended.

01:14:06.820 He's suspended.

01:14:07.760 The show is still getting.

01:14:09.280 So he's getting paid next week.

01:14:11.120 He's getting paid to be on vacation.

01:14:13.640 Well, here's the deal.

01:14:14.860 Yeah, they're hoping that this will blow over.

01:14:17.220 But here's the reality.

01:14:18.220 We know that other shows have been canceled because late night's not doing so hot.

01:14:23.140 Right.

01:14:23.700 There's no way that this show is doing well.

01:14:27.300 And, you know, with the others going on.

01:14:29.520 And this has always been one of the lowest rated shows out of, I think, all the late night shows.

01:14:33.420 I don't have it in front of me right now.

01:14:34.480 But I think Tim Pool shared it because he's like the most famous of the late night hosts.

01:14:39.340 And he's always the lowest rated.

01:14:41.520 And yet and yet every day or like every Monday or something, the media will have this.

01:14:47.520 Here's what you missed on late night.

01:14:49.140 Here's what happened on late night.

01:14:50.440 And they just act to their their view.

01:14:52.880 And a lot of this, I think, too, is generational.

01:14:55.420 So 2025.

01:14:56.940 Sorry, I'll cut it.

01:14:57.940 Yeah, no, that's a whole separate thing.

01:14:59.760 But yeah, give us the one point.

01:15:01.640 His current viewership is down to one point six million on average in 2025.

01:15:06.800 With with Tim Pool shared data just literally two hours ago that the 18 to 40 demographic was like one hundred twenty nine thousand.

01:15:15.600 Yeah, like and so and so again, again, all of this, this is not just because this is how we're winning the youth right now.

01:15:26.340 You realize they've lost the people, but it's not just because of what he said.

01:15:31.440 Don't don't think that all of a sudden ABC or Disney or whatever have had all these moments of clarity.

01:15:36.880 And no, no, this is a numbers.

01:15:39.120 This is a money.

01:15:39.920 And Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Kimmel finally stepped in and enough to where the little guys pushed back on the affiliate networks.

01:15:47.520 And yes, would I have liked some people just to kept their mouth shut for a long time?

01:15:52.660 Wait, you know, honestly.

01:15:54.740 And that it honestly, we don't always have to interview everyone all the time about everything.

01:16:01.000 Maybe for purposes like this.

01:16:02.660 Hey, Jimmy Kimmel's been suspended.

01:16:04.320 Just let it be.

01:16:06.000 However, I still man freedom of speech to Tyler's point means Jimmy Kimmel is suspended.

01:16:14.140 I hope he does get fired because he sucks.

01:16:17.120 His show is terrible.

01:16:18.380 It's a money waster from a business standpoint.

01:16:20.540 It makes no sense.

01:16:21.880 But Jimmy Kimmel has the freedom to then go start the Jimmy Kimmel show podcast.

01:16:27.460 And all 12 people can show up and listen to him, say whatever he wants.

01:16:33.040 And no one will listen to him or he'll end up like, what's his face that was commenting today?

01:16:41.200 What's his name that used to be on ESPN?

01:16:43.180 That's always Keith Olbermann.

01:16:44.760 Oh, that was just, I mean.

01:16:47.980 Jimmy Kimmel's the next Keith Olbermann.

01:16:50.880 That's great.

01:16:51.560 He's going to be completely irrelevant.

01:16:52.980 That's who he is.

01:16:53.800 I thought you said that's Graham for a minute.

01:16:55.760 I was like, what?

01:16:56.460 I will say, and you saw Olbermann's comments, right?

01:17:00.200 I'll say one thing that I know someone who has gone on Jimmy Kimmel's show a number of times and take it or leave it.

01:17:12.440 But I had someone who said that Jimmy was actually really nice off camera.

01:17:16.360 Interesting.

01:17:17.040 And like actually very, like a very, like a very genuinely sweet guy.

01:17:23.640 Do you think this will make him angry though?

01:17:25.480 Do you think they'll change who he is?

01:17:27.680 Like Keith Olbermann, I think part of the reason why Keith Olbermann is who he is is because he got fired and has no future.

01:17:34.140 Yeah.

01:17:34.160 So Keith Olbermann, right?

01:17:35.780 At least he, you know, he's like, he's like just insane.

01:17:41.820 He's just insane.

01:17:42.700 He's literally just like completely crazy.

01:17:45.920 Like Jimmy Kimmel, I think basically got spiritually broken in half a long time ago.

01:17:52.080 And I just don't even think you're going to like, he doesn't have any toughness in him at all.

01:17:56.000 Like the guy literally was the host of the man show and he got spiritually buck broken at some point.

01:18:02.340 And he just, he's just like, he's just too, maybe, maybe too many, too many over, over boosted.

01:18:09.140 Maybe I don't know, but I just don't think he's going to, I just don't think he's going to respond.

01:18:14.200 Like he's not going to go out with a, he's not going to go out with a bang.

01:18:18.240 He's going to go out with a whimper.

01:18:20.100 It is going to be like just be a balloon that where the air is not, it's not popping, but the air is just being slowly let out and everybody's going to forget it.

01:18:27.660 Well, hold on now.

01:18:28.400 He might, he might have no idea who he is.

01:18:30.260 He might have a legitimate moment here because Eric Swalwell is wearing his hat in the halls of Congress.

01:18:37.460 All right.

01:18:37.840 Stephen Colbert is now taking Charlie's slogan that we're all using saying we're all Charlie now.

01:18:44.220 Now, Stephen Colbert is saying tonight, we are all Jimmy Kimmel and all of the, it's the, it's the look that, and this will be the most watched show Stephen Colbert has had in three years with him using this.

01:18:58.040 I, uh, so here's, what's funny is I had a, so I have this, I have this contact who, you know, works at Disney and it's, um, you know, not, not any like high level position, but you know, someone who's just kind of like in the, in the machine.

01:19:13.900 In the beast there who, you know, someone who you leaked to me, like DEI stuff and when that was all going on, just kind of seeing what's going on around there.

01:19:21.880 Yeah.

01:19:22.100 Yeah.

01:19:22.300 Like just, like just employee, like just employees, regular employee, you know, who watches the book, you know, watches our stuff and knows who I am and like reached out at one point.

01:19:31.120 And so the, uh, the left, there's been this online, like, Oh, we're going to boycott Disney plus and boycott Hulu, which I know Blake is like, has some theories of feelings about, right?

01:19:43.760 Boycott Hulu.

01:19:45.860 Hulu still exists.

01:19:47.240 No, but wouldn't you be so upset if, if the left boycotted.

01:19:50.160 Oh yeah.

01:19:51.080 Oh yeah.

01:19:51.780 Don't do that.

01:19:52.960 No, no, no.

01:19:54.200 Don't throw me into that briar patch with no Marvel movies.

01:19:57.500 Oh my gosh.

01:19:58.480 It's briar rabbit now.

01:20:01.020 Um, but, uh, but he, he actually was just like, yeah, um, we, we haven't really gotten that many boycotts.

01:20:07.880 Like it's just not, no one cares about Jimmy Kimmel.

01:20:11.260 No one, no one, no one, no one.

01:20:13.700 You can't boycott what people already don't watch again.

01:20:16.440 Yes.

01:20:16.980 Correct.

01:20:17.340 That's the, that's the problem that they have.

01:20:19.160 They're going to, no, no, no, no, no.

01:20:20.420 I'm saying so people who are subscribers, like paying subscribers of Disney plus are not boycotting over Jimmy Kimmel.

01:20:27.400 Cause like, that's not what they subscribe to Disney plus for totally separate boycott.

01:20:32.420 Well, you don't watch.

01:20:33.180 Right, right, right, right.

01:20:34.440 That's not what says that there are no, and this is the problem for, I think for Jimmy Kimmel is that they're going to realize, Oh, Hey, we can kind of quietly make him go away now.

01:20:42.800 And I think this is part of the reactions.

01:20:44.360 Cause they're probably looking for a reason to end his show.

01:20:46.980 To be honest, I'm going to be really upset if they let him back on the air for the only reason, not because the free speech reason, but for the only reason that that means that there's some kind of value he's producing.

01:20:58.840 And, and that I don't like that as a free marketeer.

01:21:01.940 Okay.

01:21:02.760 Charlie would agree.

01:21:03.500 We don't like the thought that his work has value.

01:21:05.680 Has value.

01:21:07.880 Like that's, that's, what's going to bother me the most is if they let him back on, that means that there's probably likely some kind of value.

01:21:14.360 He's producing in some way, shape or form.

01:21:16.660 Maybe someone was hidden away that we can't see.

01:21:20.040 But, you know, I don't think, do we talk about Dave Portnoy's comments?

01:21:23.260 No, but I do actually think that we have them and I want to try to follow.

01:21:28.160 Yeah.

01:21:28.780 I can read it here.

01:21:29.780 Well, you know, we've got the, we've got it.

01:21:31.380 It's a clip 94.

01:21:33.000 I don't think it's a, I think it's a tweet, not a, not a video, but let's throw it up.

01:21:37.640 And, uh, Blake over there.

01:21:39.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:39.440 So he, this Dave Portnoy said this, uh, last night with Kimmel getting canned, I'm seeing lots of people talking about the hypocrisy of cancel culture.

01:21:48.320 To me, cancel culture is when people go out of their way to dig up old tweets, videos, et cetera, looking for dirt on somebody they don't like in an effort to get them fired.

01:21:59.000 Like if Kimmel got canceled for stuff he did on the man show, that would be cancel culture.

01:22:05.540 But when a person says something that a ton of people find offensive, rude, dumb in real time, and then that person is punished for it, it is not cancel culture.

01:22:15.060 That is consequences for your actions.

01:22:17.720 And that got 27 million views so far.

01:22:20.420 Which, by the way, of course, people have tried to do to Dave Portnoy again and again.

01:22:23.860 By pulling up, he, it was like a, he had like a newsletter out of Boston or something where he used to make jokes and, you know, early, uh, early Barstool articles and people were trying to pull up stuff.

01:22:33.820 They tried to do this, Tucker Carlson, by the way, for like old, you know, Bubba the Love Sponge episodes and Media Matters.

01:22:40.100 Like, we listen to every single Bubba the Love Sponge episode and we found several times where Tucker Carlson made inappropriate commentinos.

01:22:49.900 And it's, and everyone's just like, it's a comedy show.

01:22:53.620 Like, he was, like, doing comedy.

01:22:57.300 That's the Trump line.

01:22:58.580 I was a businessman.

01:22:59.860 I was doing business.

01:23:02.780 And, and, and it's, I think he's right, though.

01:23:05.040 I think there's, I think there's some truth to that is, is that this was just objectively horrible, what he said.

01:23:11.740 And it wasn't like they were creating a wave of anger at Jimmy Kimmel.

01:23:16.940 You know, there already was one.

01:23:18.180 It's gotcha culture versus trip over your own self culture, right?

01:23:23.280 Versus get, get got culture.

01:23:24.680 Do we really?

01:23:25.840 And that's the thing is like, this wasn't gotcha Jimmy Kimmel.

01:23:28.700 Nobody watches him like we've already talked about.

01:23:30.940 Nobody really cares what Jimmy Kimmel has to say.

01:23:33.320 But it was so strikingly disgusting for a, for a person that's on, you know, you know, antenna TV, as they used to call it.

01:23:44.220 Yeah, rabbit ears.

01:23:45.220 Now it's not rabbit ears.

01:23:46.340 Now it's digital rabbit ears, but on antenna TV, he's so bad that even people on his side were like, I don't know.

01:23:53.800 I shut this off.

01:23:54.660 Right.

01:23:55.060 And he's not getting laughs.

01:23:56.300 I love the clips that were coming out that they sent out because it was without the filtered laughs.

01:24:02.500 Did you see that?

01:24:03.280 Yeah.

01:24:03.400 The laugh tracks.

01:24:04.320 The laugh tracks.

01:24:04.880 Did you see that?

01:24:05.500 No, I haven't seen that.

01:24:06.180 The clip I saw, there was basically no laughter.

01:24:09.520 Yeah.

01:24:09.820 So that tells me one of two things.

01:24:11.600 One is he has no audience actually watching his show.

01:24:14.200 They don't show the audience, do they?

01:24:16.080 No.

01:24:16.500 So I couldn't hear it.

01:24:19.380 And again, on a studio, on a sound set, you can't really hear unless it's mic'd.

01:24:23.920 But usually this has this mic'd and it's brought in and it's supplemented by the laugh track.

01:24:29.600 The version I heard, and I could be totally wrong.

01:24:31.640 Maybe this is my conspiracy theory of the week.

01:24:32.400 Yeah, they sweetened it.

01:24:34.460 There was no laughter.

01:24:36.400 So that either means he has no audience that's live audience that's in there and they're really struggling getting even live people to show up to watch his show, which is what I really hope and I can understand.

01:24:46.500 Or the second is that nobody in that room laughed.

01:24:50.040 I think we also just have to ask the sane question.

01:24:56.280 When the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution, our Bill of Rights, and things like that, do we really believe that the Founding Fathers did not believe in consequences of actions, even though they believed in free speech as well?

01:25:09.100 I think the answer is absolutely.

01:25:10.960 Of course they believed in consequences of your actions.

01:25:13.700 And again, I'm on the side of this debate of free speech, one million percent.

01:25:20.940 Look at us, okay?

01:25:22.120 Look at us and what we do.

01:25:23.960 And I talk for a living on my side of things and what I think.

01:25:27.520 If people were to stop watching me tomorrow and I had to go try to get a normal job,

01:25:33.640 how many people wouldn't employ me because of things that I have said that will live forever on the Internet?

01:25:40.720 I choose to speak using my freedom of speech, but I am not immune to repercussions or consequences, ergo, of those words that I have said for the past decade.

01:25:54.520 You mean you're not demanding a show on ABC?

01:25:57.360 Correct, and I'm not demanding millions of dollars be paid to me, so I can say whatever I want, even if I'm losing the company money.

01:26:05.140 They're hemorrhaging money, and now I have said something that is making them hemorrhage even more money because the lower-level affiliates are losing money because the grassroots doesn't want to watch it.

01:26:16.280 I think there's another angle to this, too, and Tyler, this is what I was kind of getting at earlier, was that there's a generational thing going on here.

01:26:24.580 Like, I've been talking to, you know, some Zoomers, Gen Z, and they're like, who's Jimmy Kimmel?

01:26:30.060 Yeah.

01:26:30.340 They just, it's just someone who's not on their radar at all, and when I was talking about the New York Times, I mean, nobody thinks that the New York Times readership is young.

01:26:40.120 Like, you don't picture, you know, some Zoomer sitting over, you know, some Starbucks and where they are required to write Charlie Kirk's name, by the way, right now, thanks to the efforts of America's Greatest Marriage, Rudy Giuliani.

01:26:53.580 And, like, perusing the times.

01:26:58.000 It's just not something that's done.

01:26:59.860 And so, you know, it's like Jimmy Kimmel getting gone and Colbert getting gone, these massively expensive shows with, you know, huge salaries that it's kind of like, it's, you know, it's like the last vinyl records factory closing or like a typewriter salesman got laid off because we don't do this anymore.

01:27:22.080 Can I say this to you real quick?

01:27:23.280 No, no, no, Tyler.

01:27:24.800 I am saddened about it.

01:27:27.340 I'm really saddened that late night sucks so bad in America.

01:27:30.700 Dude, that's so true.

01:27:31.660 Because it was.

01:27:32.640 I was prepared to yell at you, and then you changed my heart.

01:27:35.880 No, late night TV was a hallmark of American.

01:27:40.080 I do Jay Leno and the headlines on Monday nights.

01:27:44.300 You have family dinner.

01:27:46.120 You kind of hang out.

01:27:47.200 Mom does the dishes.

01:27:49.100 You're hanging out.

01:27:49.880 Everyone gets ready for bed.

01:27:51.460 And mom and dad have on late night TV in their bedroom after the news, right?

01:27:57.800 Or whatever it was.

01:27:58.360 I feel like this is probably like a, you grew up on like mountain time thing.

01:28:02.540 Because I think on the, in like Eastern time.

01:28:04.900 Yeah, so on East Coast, that was too late.

01:28:06.440 On East Coast, that would have been like.

01:28:07.840 Well, I'm on the West Coast.

01:28:08.800 Yeah, I know.

01:28:09.300 But on East Coast, that would be like.

01:28:11.280 Going back with Charlie, that's why we should be permanent Pacific.

01:28:13.880 This is the reason why we should be permanent Pacific.

01:28:16.540 The Tonight Show out East is a show for insomniacs.

01:28:19.320 And I think they were pretty aware of that.

01:28:22.480 But so like, so like for me.

01:28:24.040 Late night?

01:28:24.600 Like even like Jay Leno?

01:28:25.720 Yes.

01:28:25.980 Yeah, it's like 10 o'clock at least.

01:28:28.880 10, 11.

01:28:29.200 Yeah, 10 or 11.

01:28:30.060 On the East Coast, yeah.

01:28:31.440 And so for us, it used to be like, okay, I finished my homework.

01:28:36.040 And then on the Fox 29 Philadelphia, they used to show not one, but two Simpsons episodes

01:28:44.420 back to back was amazing.

01:28:47.240 And then I would watch the Late Show.

01:28:50.120 And I'd usually turn it off by like the guests.

01:28:53.060 Yeah, I love the monologue.

01:28:54.640 I would watch.

01:28:55.100 And then like, whatever the bit was, my favorite was headlines, because you just had these really

01:29:00.140 stupid headlines that people had done around the country.

01:29:03.440 And then when the guests came in, I'd be like, I don't know how any of those people are.

01:29:07.040 So I'm out of here.

01:29:09.100 Yeah, I think my parents would sometimes let me go through the top 10 list.

01:29:12.160 And then I either wanted to go to sleep then or they'd make me.

01:29:15.240 But that's really why Late Night kind of went into decline.

01:29:18.180 Like you think about what it served.

01:29:19.700 Like you don't need to get on a late night show to become a famous band anymore.

01:29:24.180 It used to be a way that you became famous.

01:29:26.740 You don't.

01:29:27.240 That was a big one.

01:29:27.820 You're not marketing movies by putting the movie star on a late night show.

01:29:31.620 That's a totally vestigial thing.

01:29:32.940 And that's two of the important things they did.

01:29:34.800 And also, you know, now they're a pre-taped show offering comedy on current events.

01:29:38.840 Now, if you want comedy about current events, go on X.

01:29:41.700 Go on TikTok.

01:29:42.600 Watch the Charlie Kirk show.

01:29:44.180 And by the way, Johnny Carson was likable.

01:29:46.780 And so people just like wanted to invite him into their home.

01:29:50.360 Not sucking is a major player.

01:29:53.340 No, I mean, everyone would tell you this probably from the 80s in particular, 70s and 80s.

01:29:59.200 It was like people just love Johnny Carson and they wanted him in their home.

01:30:02.580 They wanted the sound and the laughter and the jokes of Johnny Carson in their home.

01:30:07.900 But hold on, because I do want to...

01:30:10.060 Nobody wants Jimmy Kimmel in their home.

01:30:11.620 No, but I am going to...

01:30:12.720 I'm not going to push back, but no, I am going to push back.

01:30:15.080 Because this isn't the first comedy show that Jimmy Kimmel hosted.

01:30:19.480 He hosted...

01:30:20.380 He did The Man Show.

01:30:21.520 And before that, he was the host of Win Ben Stein's Money.

01:30:24.820 Yeah.

01:30:25.180 And they were...

01:30:27.300 I watched that like crazy.

01:30:28.880 Hilarious.

01:30:29.440 He was good.

01:30:29.900 They were so good.

01:30:31.580 He was so funny.

01:30:33.020 Yeah, but Jack, he was likable.

01:30:34.680 And he...

01:30:35.020 Right.

01:30:35.160 So what I'm saying is, when he went to ABC, when he grew the beard, whatever, something

01:30:41.760 changed.

01:30:43.700 And it's like, they walk right up to you and say, okay, Jimmy, you're going to have

01:30:50.340 to read from a different script now, Jimmy.

01:30:53.300 And it's like, you're going to push the vax, Jimmy.

01:30:57.220 You know, like...

01:30:57.800 It's the liberal paycheck.

01:30:58.540 The liberal paycheck.

01:30:59.840 And this is what you're going to get, Jimmy.

01:31:01.120 You're going to get all the money.

01:31:02.480 Oh, you know, or it's like, well, the pictures come out, Jimmy.

01:31:05.580 No, not saying that.

01:31:06.440 Not saying that.

01:31:07.080 Comedy show.

01:31:07.860 But, you know, it's like something happens and he's just not likable anymore.

01:31:13.680 And it comes across.

01:31:15.320 It comes across because it's not funny.

01:31:18.640 It's mean.

01:31:20.100 It's like mean-spirited.

01:31:21.620 Like you can tell a mean joke and be funny if it's not mean-spirited.

01:31:26.300 But if that's offensive or politically incorrect or whatever, like his old, you know, like

01:31:33.500 when he did the blackface on The Man Show, like everybody knew that he was just doing

01:31:39.700 a bit.

01:31:40.440 Like it was not like an actual attack on black people.

01:31:44.980 It just wasn't.

01:31:46.020 And people laughed.

01:31:47.640 If he would have made a joke less than a week after George Floyd, he would have been

01:31:53.220 fired immediately.

01:31:54.720 Oh, yeah.

01:31:55.100 This is not a free speech thing at all.

01:31:58.080 This is a finally he is getting removed for sucking at his job.

01:32:04.840 Finally.

01:32:05.760 Finally.

01:32:06.380 That's what this is about.

01:32:07.760 They have been hemorrhaging money for a long time that he's probably got them.

01:32:11.600 And he's probably meeting with the lawyers right now to get paid out of his contract.

01:32:17.280 He's not meeting.

01:32:18.500 Jimmy Kimmel is not meeting with lawyers to figure out how to get back onto his show.

01:32:23.720 He's meeting with his lawyers to make sure that he gets his payout in his contract from

01:32:28.340 being removed from his show.

01:32:30.880 I don't think this is a free speech issue.

01:32:32.940 I personally do not believe it's infringing upon Jimmy Kimmel's First Amendment rights

01:32:38.180 in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

01:32:39.700 And I agree with Dave Portnoy.

01:32:41.680 This is not cancel culture.

01:32:43.720 This is, to be cliche, consequence culture.

01:32:47.600 And nobody cared.

01:32:48.860 I mean, I'm telling you, there's no conservative that was actually watching him.

01:32:53.620 It just wasn't.

01:32:54.540 Bill Maher.

01:32:55.320 It was Libs that got upset.

01:32:57.100 Bill Maher's upset.

01:32:58.000 Bill Maher got fired.

01:32:59.000 No, he got fired.

01:33:00.120 Oh, okay.

01:33:02.060 What was the show called?

01:33:04.480 Politically Incorrect?

01:33:06.680 Politically Incorrect.

01:33:07.340 Yeah, Politically Incorrect.

01:33:07.920 For some reason, I was thinking that wasn't it.

01:33:10.120 But yeah, that's it.

01:33:10.980 And he was fired after 9-11 for making comments where he said, basically, he said, I thought

01:33:18.380 the hijackers were brave.

01:33:20.060 He said they weren't cowards.

01:33:21.300 Everyone's calling them cowards.

01:33:22.440 And he said, I think they weren't cowards.

01:33:24.140 And people got just extremely mad.

01:33:27.680 And, you know, you could, in a free society, like, yeah, you could have a debate about that.

01:33:32.440 And like, you know, on a show like this, I'm sure we could have a debate about that.

01:33:35.880 But in the wake of 9-11, like, no, people just weren't having it.

01:33:39.880 And at some point, if you're like, the customers are the bosses, right?

01:33:43.820 If they decide they're opting out, then, you know, a business has got to make a decision.

01:33:48.060 And you're paid a salary.

01:33:49.440 Look, look, look, everyone, from if it's your very first job ever, all the way up to, you're

01:33:55.760 talking multi-million dollar deals, somewhere in the paperwork that you fill out, especially

01:34:02.060 if you're signing actual contractual type things, somewhere in there, there is language

01:34:07.600 that says, if you do anything that the organization feels that your actions or your words or whatever

01:34:15.020 can bring harm or loss of revenue to the business of which you're representing, they can fire

01:34:21.220 you.

01:34:22.580 It's as simple as that.

01:34:24.000 This isn't Jimmy Kimmel on the side of the road screaming, I hate Charlie Kirk.

01:34:28.580 He has the absolute right to be able to do that.

01:34:32.100 He did it on a platform that is not his own.

01:34:35.120 It's not his.

01:34:36.000 That is not his platform.

01:34:37.180 He doesn't own it.

01:34:38.180 He doesn't pay his own salaries.

01:34:39.800 Somebody else does.

01:34:40.940 This came back to bite him.

01:34:43.000 Bye-bye.

01:34:43.320 We've been on for 90 minutes right now, and there's so much more we can say about Jimmy

01:34:50.720 Kimmel.

01:34:51.260 I think we've kind of spoken at the length and breadth.

01:34:54.160 We've got 30 minutes.

01:34:56.480 What do you got to say?

01:34:57.260 30 more?

01:34:58.800 I'm here as long as I want to go.

01:35:00.120 Tyler, you in?

01:35:00.420 You in?

01:35:01.080 Let's do another topic in honor as the distraction point this week here with

01:35:08.200 the background.

01:35:09.440 No, absolutely.

01:35:09.920 And look, you know, one of the other pieces of big news, which I would say dovetails

01:35:16.900 nicely with the free speech topic and Jimmy Kimmel is Antifa.

01:35:22.080 So Antifa has, and Blake, have they officially been declared yet a terrorist organization?

01:35:27.740 Trump has announced it.

01:35:29.040 I don't know if he's also gone and signed the piece of paper or not.

01:35:32.800 I know he was in the UK, so I don't know if that's officially been done.

01:35:36.460 And it's also, what would the piece of paper say, necessarily?

01:35:39.580 Well, that's what I'd like to know, right?

01:35:41.160 So if that hasn't been done yet, it hasn't been done yet.

01:35:43.560 But it looks like it's moving forward.

01:35:46.320 It looks like it's happening.

01:35:47.500 And yet the entire left is running around out there saying, whoa, well, there's no such

01:35:53.000 thing as Antifa.

01:35:54.420 So you can't designate an idea to be a terrorist organization.

01:35:59.160 So we got you now, Trump.

01:36:02.380 You're never going to figure this one out.

01:36:04.180 And I'm like, well, the way Antifa works, and I've written very extensively about Antifa.

01:36:09.680 And Blake, you and I have talked about this for years on air, and it's kind of like this.

01:36:16.900 It's like, is Antifa an idea?

01:36:18.780 Yes, it is.

01:36:19.580 The same way that radical Islam is an idea.

01:36:23.320 And so there are radical Islamic groups that do terrorism, as it turns out, the same way

01:36:29.380 that there are Antifa groups that do terrorism.

01:36:32.920 It's an incredible concept.

01:36:34.140 And I think it's actually a valuable thing to go after, because it gets us back to what

01:36:39.300 Charlie actually died for, along with his faith, was free speech, that he was going on campus.

01:36:45.260 Someone could not handle that Charlie went on campus to express his views, so he shot him

01:36:49.300 dead.

01:36:50.200 And that is a far more extreme version of what the right had to deal with for years.

01:36:56.380 In fact, what it was dealing with when Charlie first started doing his prove-me-wrong events.

01:37:01.200 I found a video that I posted back in 2023.

01:37:05.500 I saw that.

01:37:06.340 And I'm going to see if we have the clip here.

01:37:09.300 Where it was from, I think it was UC Davis, where, University of California, Davis, where

01:37:17.160 Antifa was attacking a Charlie Kirk event.

01:37:21.300 And it certainly wasn't the only time that this happened.

01:37:23.720 But I specifically remember this time.

01:37:25.680 It was bad.

01:37:26.920 Oh, here it is.

01:37:27.480 Clip 124.

01:37:29.140 Excuse me.

01:37:29.580 It was 1.25.

01:37:30.140 Nope.

01:37:30.440 Go, go, go, go, go, go.

01:37:35.440 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:37:51.580 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:37:58.660 so that's really what we're getting at here so there is a very violent there is a pattern that

01:38:27.660 has gone on for over a decade at this point has not been checked left-wing groups whether they're

01:38:33.080 from on campus or off if there is a speaker they don't like they will menace the event they will

01:38:38.560 bring threats against the event they will surround the event they'll mash doors they'll throw things

01:38:43.760 that start fires they will derail the event i remember mile yiannopoulos was going to speak

01:38:48.720 at uc berkeley a riot blew that to pieces uh i believe in 2017 charles murray was going to speak

01:38:54.240 at middlebury there was a riot there i think a professor had her arm broken at that and like

01:38:58.600 got hospitalized not even murray a professor who was with him um there uh and it doesn't have to

01:39:04.920 be on colleges either uh steve sailor he's talked about how he basically couldn't hold events to

01:39:10.360 talk about his writing or his book for years because if they announced a location uh antifa

01:39:16.920 would go and you know ruin the event block it from happening so he finally i think you were at one of

01:39:22.180 these events so i moderated an event with him and uh amy wax it was a lomez passage press had set it up

01:39:28.920 and um we had to keep the location uh secret and eventually we brought it out that the location

01:39:38.220 actually was union station in washington dc uh tyler by the way if it ever comes up there's a really cool

01:39:44.080 event venue on the side of union station where you get this like one room um that can hold like a

01:39:50.980 couple of hundred people it's great but when we filmed it um you know we even had to keep the

01:39:56.080 camera off the audience because even though it's like like amy wax she's a university of pennsylvania

01:40:01.200 professor and steve sailor he's a guy who writes a blog and but we know about the doxing and the

01:40:07.880 threats that would happen to the people and and so the idea that all of this has gone on for all of

01:40:13.900 these years and we can i'm sure we can all mention millions of examples but the question i think i that

01:40:18.780 we really need to get into as a thought crime is the idea that just simply that yes antifa is real

01:40:24.500 but we also have to help the right to sort of like find the better arguments to to say that it's

01:40:31.040 real because the left will sit around and go oh well what are you gonna do you know go to the antifa

01:40:36.040 office and and close the doors it's a pattern of behavior it is using for example it is an antifa

01:40:41.460 thing to use terror tactics to engage in de-platforming well and so you will say if you were engaging in

01:40:47.620 terror tactics to prevent speech in a public venue that is basically we're going to crack down on that

01:40:54.320 you're going to get you're you're not going to get you know arrested in a slap on the wrist you are

01:40:58.380 going to get a decade in prison thank you there it is that that ends it really quick at the end of

01:41:04.300 the day all of these people whether it be antifa or whether it just be joe blow on the side of the road

01:41:10.000 that they don't fear what actually happens to them by committing crimes in many of these places that

01:41:16.480 it's going down harsher punishments uh no tolerance that type of thing that's what we actually need and

01:41:24.020 i because a lot of these people we all know this to be true they're all cowards in real life

01:41:28.620 where that's why they show up in mobs that's why they show up in all this stuff because

01:41:33.100 one-on-one these people are cowards no one-on-one they don't do anything correct so one-on-one you

01:41:40.280 throw the book at them for actually breaking the law and doing all this stuff all these things start

01:41:44.780 to go away and they start to diminish a little bit on their own i love that the president is doing this

01:41:49.220 every once in a while one-on-one in extreme situations do something unspeakable okay fine yes yes

01:41:59.540 very true but but not if you're talking about like if you meet him on the street correct that's

01:42:04.100 what i mean yes yes i mean just look at andy no

01:42:08.000 yes all the work i mean the guy his entire persona is documenting getting the crap beat out of him

01:42:14.620 by antifa yeah in the most antifa riddled cities in america which we'll note just doesn't

01:42:21.140 again this is where we also have been seeing this scam we've been seeing this scam where they'll say

01:42:25.840 political violence is actually way more common on the right yet there is no one who does this

01:42:30.400 there's no one who goes to right-wing events and just gets mangled over and over again no and

01:42:36.260 there's no pattern where every time there's a right-wing event they have to arrest like four

01:42:41.760 trannies and like 15 other assorted freak shows who like look absolutely bizarre once they're

01:42:47.280 photographed and like oh and this is happening day after day week after week in cities like portland

01:42:52.240 cities like seattle there's like there's no case where just a giant public park in the middle of

01:42:56.800 your city gets taken over by people who declare themselves a new independent well and this was this

01:43:01.420 was the crazy thing too because um that there was this study that came out in the economist and it's

01:43:06.900 going viral on twitter and it's saying like the writers are far more violent and then you go through

01:43:12.700 and you actually look at the data set of it and it's it's just ridiculous but then i went a step

01:43:17.280 further and i actually looked up the guy who wrote the study and i don't know guys do we have the

01:43:22.420 picture of this the antifa professor because this guy straight out of central casting number one we found

01:43:29.380 videos of him where he's admitting that he's a member of antifa himself and like this is the guy who's

01:43:37.340 getting cited in mainstream publications that then gets filtered down so that all the npr americans

01:43:45.180 sit there and just repeat every time you mention oh well the right does more violence than the left

01:43:49.200 i've seen studies you know because because because the experts have never been wrong by the way you

01:43:52.880 can't you can't question the experts no of course you can't because they're the experts

01:44:00.040 and then oh my gosh look at this guy whoo look at i mean whoo and yes that's a human

01:44:06.480 and of course yes it has a nose ring the septum piercing it's always the is always the identifier

01:44:17.100 as a i mean as a guy yeah like as a guy to have that is just i don't even know that really is and

01:44:24.900 by the way i don't think i'd ever seen a picture of this guy before maybe i did years ago because he

01:44:28.960 was involved in this guy by the way was charged at one point in the assault on donald trump's first

01:44:35.880 inauguration j20 and he was one of the ones who was arrested but then the aclu came in and got

01:44:42.320 them to drop the charges because they said oh you did a mass arrest and you can't do that even though

01:44:47.420 they were conducting a mass riot at this inauguration and were attacking people blocking traffic like

01:44:53.620 they blocked my traffic i or my car i had to get out and i confronted them on the on 395 in uh in

01:44:59.400 washington the uh you know elevated highway in washington dc and um you know you see this you see

01:45:06.740 this guy and you're like it's just it's just central you can't even make it up you just can't even

01:45:12.980 make it up and then you play the clip and he goes he goes oh yeah um you know i used to be a member

01:45:18.000 of uh this group called anti-racist action i guess today you'd call it antifa and uh i pulled up a

01:45:24.860 quote from him he said i regret uh i regret trading my semtex for spreadsheets and like

01:45:32.140 wanting to do violence and and just being so completely open about wanting violence having

01:45:41.080 participated in violence at the trump inauguration the first one in 2017 and it's just this type of

01:45:47.380 behavior that has gone on has completely infested our institutions completely infested our country and

01:45:53.480 yes of course blake to your point he works at a non-profit and he says what he does is just

01:45:57.560 research i'm just documenting far-right activity yeah you know and this is the one thing that

01:46:03.900 really irks me and this is really important the angelo brought up in the chat producer angelo

01:46:09.220 charlie at the end of his life was targeted by the federal government during the biden administration

01:46:16.320 he talked about that loosely which which we're now starting to publicly learn more about as well

01:46:23.140 we're going we're going to learn a lot more about it yeah um i i've been targeted all of us at

01:46:27.880 turning point have and we were like just kind of just you know promoting that big government sucks and

01:46:36.240 talking on campus and having open debates and doing those types of activities these people are

01:46:41.500 literally violent criminals running you know destroying property hurting people doing things like that

01:46:48.360 the government's never investigated those people in fact that clip is like really almost triggers me

01:46:53.880 a little bit because they did that school did nothing when they they bashed in the glass on on that

01:46:58.620 at that place they would have hurt somebody had they been able to get their hands on somebody joe bob was

01:47:02.820 actually dangerously close to those people they would have happily hurt joe bob i'm just gonna say it

01:47:08.180 and the it only took one of them with one of them that one had a firearm handgun that's it clearly

01:47:15.560 clearly they did this to to at turning point events with like riley gains and uh livy kralchuk and

01:47:21.980 it's it's a very close again and again and again next step but none of these people have ever been

01:47:25.980 investigated no again during the the summer of love nobody was charged and investigated any of those uh city

01:47:33.960 burnings and on our side we were targeted people should be

01:47:38.760 insanely offended at the the dichotomy that exists within this country through four years of tyranny and

01:47:47.660 we just need to start getting there's water there for you yeah um we just need to start getting used

01:47:52.080 to saying it that we lived through four years of actual tyranny uh at a time where and the government

01:47:57.840 should go after these people the government should go after yes you know again antifa a long time ago

01:48:03.660 should have been uh labeled as a terrorist organization domestic terrorist organization

01:48:08.080 so the government can go after these people and clean up the streets this is part of the problem in

01:48:12.460 america we have we have black violence that's happening on the streets we have white violence that's

01:48:19.100 happening on the streets a lot of the white violence that's happening unfortunately and we've seen it

01:48:23.940 firsthand in some of these cities was portland or uh we've seen them congregate in washington dc

01:48:29.760 during the last trump administration uh in philadelphia these are violent white criminals

01:48:37.720 in most of these cases and in these antifa gangs they're mass that we've seen it we've seen them

01:48:42.520 firsthand even and even utah and i'll bring this up here too when we i posted this clip actually that

01:48:49.080 charlie wasn't afraid of anything i posted the clip of charlie us getting assaulted by antifa in

01:48:54.600 philadelphia where they came and the breakfast thing right it was a breakfast thing it was just

01:48:58.740 such a funny situation not haha funny but kind of funny to look back on every police officer in

01:49:05.960 downtown philadelphia is black all of these people who are chasing us out of the out of that breakfast

01:49:13.700 place were white antifa they were all antifa they were a antifa gang that just happened to be

01:49:19.080 assembling outside of our breakfast thing and turned around and noticed us we ended up getting protected by

01:49:24.300 all these incredible black cops who were stopping or thwarting all these white antifa it was crazy

01:49:34.300 now i'll never forget that moment but but charlie stood look these people in the eyes and wouldn't back

01:49:39.880 down no matter how much they were spitting on us and throwing stuff at us and all that and again just

01:49:45.500 led right up to to where we are today where charlie literally got murdered by the exact same type of

01:49:51.180 animosity that's been that's been allowed to stoke within america all these years and and you know i

01:49:58.140 just keep saying it and i had a leftist lose his mind on me when i brought this up on uh the debate the

01:50:05.260 other day on pierce morgan that one of the bullet casings said hey fascist catch and another one of the

01:50:13.780 bullet casings had the song bella chow written on it and bella chow is among other things but is also

01:50:21.700 the international anthem of antifa it just is and that is not something that is not a reference that

01:50:29.900 you would necessarily know unless you had been interacting with that type of ideology which is

01:50:38.100 all over tick tock by the way uh that type these type of symbols that have have gone from uh the

01:50:45.460 the blogosphere and news groups to and bulletin boards you know anonymous bulletin boards online

01:50:52.420 where antifa was throughout like the 90s and early 2000s and uh i was actually involved in like the punk

01:50:58.740 scene in the 80s that's how it came over from uh the uk and germany and then it's it's just morphed into

01:51:04.980 social media and now it's all across tick tock and but it's it's the same symbols that's what i'm

01:51:09.700 trying to um express it's the same symbols and it's the same ideology and it's very simple and the

01:51:14.900 way you respond to them as well when you say when they say oh anti-fascism well that just means i'm

01:51:20.180 not a fascist so anyone who's against me is obviously a fascist it's like when you call yourself hey we're

01:51:25.300 the good guy team and anyone against us is a bad bad bad guy team because we're the good guy team and

01:51:30.020 uh one of my favorite uh proofs against this is that so you guys heard of the berlin wall before

01:51:36.660 right the berlin wall so so who rings about so it was called the anti-fascist rampart it was it was

01:51:42.340 literally called the anti the antifa protection rampart by the communist government of east germany

01:51:49.620 because the communist government didn't they don't refer to themselves as communist right people's

01:51:55.300 republics and the german democratic republic and all of these things but their state ideology

01:52:01.780 if you actually go into the east german records was anti-fascism so everything was done in the name

01:52:08.740 of anti-fascism so they're you know they're uh secret police well we're the anti-fascist secret

01:52:14.580 police we're not communist no we're just anti-fascist so this is just a communist trick that has existed

01:52:20.500 since the bolsheviks and leon trotsky created it all the way back in the 1930s it's just a communist

01:52:26.980 trick and i feel bad that i think now i don't see conservatives falling for it but there was a time

01:52:32.580 where conservatives really fell for this thing and you just have to push back you have to push back and

01:52:38.500 don't don't take any of the crap do not take any of the crap anymore we know who antifa is we know

01:52:45.140 what side they're on and yes it is very clear that someone who ascribed to that ideology

01:52:53.220 fired a shot at the man who sat in this chair right here

01:52:57.300 that's right and it's got to be said um and it cannot be forgotten it cannot be overwritten that

01:53:03.220 history cannot be overwritten right no and that's why it's so important for the way the bullet was

01:53:07.620 written this is the reason why it's so important and i had we had some friends that were uh advocating

01:53:12.980 for this and and you know who you are and so thank you for advocating for this with the president to

01:53:18.340 get this done um there's some really good people who uh had had contacted me and and let me know that

01:53:25.380 this was going to be happening immediately and uh this is why it's so important for the president to

01:53:30.260 do this is because it is an important moment in history to pinpoint that this was an overlooked

01:53:36.500 element even yes in the first trump administration this should have been taken care of this should have

01:53:40.420 been talked about this should have been handled and this particularly escalate has escalated over

01:53:46.660 the last four years under biden that antifa has to be recognized for what it is so we can dissuade

01:53:53.060 people from uh participating in organized crime in america and this is criminal these are criminals

01:53:59.300 simple as that um and they killed our friend there and we will never forget that and the history books

01:54:04.820 will tell that they killed our friend and the president trump did something about it and and that is

01:54:09.460 really critical not just for the american psyche but for justice to prevail to prevail and and in the

01:54:16.260 wake of what happened to charlie kirk i i tweeted this thing out the other day and it's just it's just

01:54:20.660 taken on life of its own and it's it's just this phrase that i keep saying over and over and people

01:54:26.980 have started saying it too and we got to wrap here in a minute but i saw a leftist murder charlie kirk

01:54:33.300 and i saw them celebrate it i saw a leftist murder charlie kirk and i saw them celebrate it and any

01:54:41.300 anytime they give you any of that crap you just repeat it you just repeat it right in their faces

01:54:45.860 i saw a leftist murder charlie kirk and i saw them celebrate it and they can't break you they can not

01:54:53.140 break you um just go around the horn kind of last thoughts obviously much love to erica if uh if you're

01:55:00.180 watching or if or if she's um you know i know she's running around doing other stuff getting ready for

01:55:03.780 sunday and uh but if she happens to listen later just just know that we're we're praying for you and

01:55:09.300 and we're doing this show of course in charlie's honor uh blake i'm just thinking i i i was thinking

01:55:17.540 how we always had the rule that we didn't we didn't have women on thought crime but i feel like

01:55:22.580 we'll have to change that rule properly oh whoa mrs erica kirk on thought crime man you're like

01:55:32.260 after everything she's man hey hey we saw the clip she's more based she's more based than

01:55:38.500 more based she has thought crimes charlie would never allow him to think oh so well that could be

01:55:46.020 i don't know i don't know we will see we will see uh if she wants to come on then absolutely of course

01:55:52.740 um i i just want to say this is that it's like we talked about at the top of the show it's just such

01:55:58.820 an honor to uh to be leaning on you guys this week it's been it's been hard i know some people

01:56:06.340 might watch this and go how is how are you guys capable of functioning because everybody i go to

01:56:11.700 i've seen uh has just been bawling and been on our shoulder i think every shirt i have this week

01:56:17.700 has been covered in makeup and tears and snot and everything else uh and i'll tell you like off

01:56:23.540 camera we've had some hard hard times all of us here so um we've this is uh we want to do this stuff

01:56:31.700 for charlie we want to keep this up not just for charlie but for the entire team that's here we have

01:56:35.940 a great family that's here and we've everyone supported one another and it's just been

01:56:40.580 it's been uh uh a horrible week the worst of weeks maybe the worst week of our entire lives

01:56:46.580 but at the same time it's been a huge blessing to be able to to lean on each other and see everybody

01:56:52.180 stepping up and loving on each other so i hope everybody listening i hope you'll you'll go home

01:56:57.700 and be at home and love all your families and uh and then of course keep praying for for erica

01:57:04.100 her kids and uh and our entire turning point family that's here so great well to follow that um

01:57:12.100 uh i just i it has been a hard week um you know we have a a really cool thing over at dear america

01:57:22.260 however i often tell tyler this and and jack i think i've told you this as well

01:57:29.380 there's something about being on an island by yourself that in this world that we fight in and

01:57:34.100 then when something so tragic like this happens um i'm just thankful to you guys for always being there

01:57:41.220 for for me and my family i'm thankful to charlie for that as well uh erica erica and my wife

01:57:49.300 speak pretty pretty frequently as well and they've just always been the best even even when things

01:57:56.820 didn't work out the way that i thought that they might like running for congress back in 2022 and

01:58:01.860 things like that charlie and you tyler and turning point you guys have always had my back and and when

01:58:10.820 you didn't have to and and even now even now you didn't have to let me come in here you you know

01:58:18.180 there's there's plenty of other people that probably want to be here and you guys are being flooded with

01:58:23.220 that but even now it's just it's really nice to be around family and be around you guys and um uh it's

01:58:32.500 it's it still is very weird to me to sit next to uh the chair right now um but uh i needed this

01:58:42.500 as well i needed to get here um and i wish i could have got here sooner but i'm thankful to be here now

01:58:48.100 so just honored to be here and i'll say that it just from my side it felt good doing the show tonight

01:58:54.580 didn't it it's a good good distraction from yeah it's a good just just but but this is the work right

01:59:00.180 this is the work and it's like knowing that knowing that this is what charlie would have wanted us to

01:59:06.820 keep doing and that you know obviously last week we were in no position to do the show but that

01:59:16.180 that we're going to do it that we're going to do it even if we have to have graham allen here

01:59:22.500 i it's getting pretty desperate at this point if that's if that's where we're scraping the

01:59:26.820 we're going to do a lot in honor charlie and this is one of the the many things that i think that

01:59:32.420 hopefully will give people a lot of hope and and again that beacon to look to so we can keep

01:59:36.660 organizing and keep working our butts off so amen to that ladies and gentlemen as always go out there

01:59:43.620 and commit more thought crime

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - September 26, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 97 — The Thoughtcrime WILL Continue

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