Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 99 — THOUGHTCRIME IRL

00:00:00.000 From the age of Big Brother.

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00:00:20.280 Ladies and gentlemen, it is time once again for Thought Crime Thursday.

00:00:27.760 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard.

00:00:29.740 Welcome to Thought Crime IRL, where I am joined by my esteemed colleague, Andrew Colbert.

00:00:35.740 Andrew.

00:00:36.480 Hola, ¿qué tal?

00:00:38.000 No he hablado mucho español hace uno de cada o más, pero estoy aquí.

00:00:42.600 Gracias, Tim.

00:00:43.980 Tim, bienvenidos.

00:00:45.160 Fantastic.

00:00:45.880 And we are joined now by, of course, Tim Poole.

00:00:49.360 I never introduce myself on the show.

00:00:50.800 Welcome to TimCast IRL.

00:00:52.320 In fact, it's actually Thought Crime IRL.

00:00:55.920 We have joined forces to do something strange and crazy.

00:01:00.620 And we hit a bit of a snag on the way in.

00:01:03.120 This is what happens.

00:01:03.820 I think we're streaming to like eight channels.

00:01:05.960 It's nuts.

00:01:06.740 And we were like, hey, let's do something really big and crazy.

00:01:08.980 So we did.

00:01:09.840 We do have big news.

00:01:11.280 Elon Musk is going nuclear on these woke NGOs that have been smearing, lying about people,

00:01:19.440 and inflaming tensions.

00:01:21.340 He's been tweeting, retweeting.

00:01:23.360 And what did he say?

00:01:24.660 He said the SPLC is guilty of incitement against Charlie Kirk?

00:01:27.680 Incitement 1,000%.

00:01:28.480 I mean, it's provably correct.

00:01:29.580 It's incitement of the murder of Charlie Kirk.

00:01:32.120 Guilty of incitement.

00:01:33.040 We're going to talk about that.

00:01:34.240 But we do have...

00:01:35.260 And we have the receipts.

00:01:35.860 Indeed.

00:01:36.660 It's going to be big.

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00:02:58.580 And, guys, this is big news.

00:03:00.840 I think we should probably talk about it a little bit.

00:03:02.100 Rumble doing this deal with Perplexity.

00:03:03.700 This is huge.

00:03:04.780 You know, we're big fans of Rumble.

00:03:06.080 And also, I definitely want to talk about censorship because we won.

00:03:09.720 They unbanned our Joe Rogan and Alex Jones.

00:03:11.940 Wow.

00:03:12.680 We'll get into that.

00:03:13.360 That was the last crossover that you did, and here we are again.

00:03:17.160 Here we are.

00:03:18.020 So, I mean, let's get into it.

00:03:19.620 This Elon Musk, you want to take it, Jeff?

00:03:21.120 Wait, wait, wait.

00:03:21.680 There's one more person here.

00:03:22.720 There's one more person here.

00:03:23.380 I'm the minority here, really, out of everyone here.

00:03:26.140 Well, you're Polish. 0.97

00:03:27.140 You're in the majority.

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00:03:30.140 I think I'm the only immigrant here.

00:03:32.900 But, anyway.

00:03:33.340 Orale, Luke Grudowski, YouTube.com forward slash We Are Changed.

00:03:35.760 Lots to talk about.

00:03:36.900 The SPLC has been attacking me since 2010, so I'm very happy that now we are trending towards

00:03:42.660 finally holding them accountable.

00:03:44.360 I want a lawsuit against them.

00:03:45.420 Yeah.

00:03:45.500 I mean, so what Elon Musk – by the way, this is ongoing.

00:03:50.760 Elon Musk has basically declared war on the SPLC, and he basically – so yesterday, right,

00:03:59.500 was the ADL's day, and today has become the SPLC's day, and it's so prescient, and Elon

00:04:06.480 Musk is really driving this train.

00:04:08.080 Yesterday, we saw the FBI sever their relationship with the ADL, and a number of people, including

00:04:15.620 the great Greek – you know, he's a demigod, really – Pericles Periabasi of Chicago, who

00:04:23.620 was proudly married to a woman, by the way, alpha male.

00:04:25.900 And he dug up the fact that not only was the ADL going after Turning Point, but he dug

00:04:31.180 up the fact – and Elon has actually just retweeted this – that on the day before

00:04:35.200 Charlie Kirk was assassinated, the SPLC included him and Turning Point USA in their monthly

00:04:41.520 hate watch newsletter, and he wrote, the SPLC has blood on their hands.

00:04:46.100 So that's great, Periabasi.

00:04:47.780 I started tweeting about that.

00:04:49.600 Andrew started tweeting about that.

00:04:50.760 And then, Andrew, you found a tweet – and this is what's so crazy – because we said

00:04:55.080 ADL was number one, and SPLC was number two.

00:04:58.560 You found a tweet from someone from a couple years ago.

00:05:02.120 Who was that, and what was that tweet?

00:05:03.380 This was great.

00:05:04.520 This was from Charlie, and the date was – I think we have this tweet, guys.

00:05:09.580 I'll – I just flagged it for them just to make sure they get – but it says,

00:05:14.160 whatever it was in the past, today the ADL is a hate group that dons a religious mass 0.62

00:05:20.160 to justify stoking hatred of the left's enemies.

00:05:23.120 There it is right there.

00:05:24.240 I believe in the First Amendment and free speech as a principle regardless of what the

00:05:27.740 law says.

00:05:28.200 I don't want to ban anyone's speech, but the ADL has no place extorting ex-Twitter or

00:05:33.360 any other social media companies, nor should it dictate to federal law enforcement agencies

00:05:38.060 what hate speech is.

00:05:39.240 The ADL itself is America's number one purveyor of hate speech, parenthesis, and the SPLC

00:05:45.060 is number two.

00:05:45.880 So for those that don't know, there are a network of nonprofits, foundations, or organizations

00:05:51.560 that do a multitude of things.

00:05:53.320 The Anti-Defamation League is one ADL.

00:05:56.120 The Southern Poverty Law Center, the other.

00:05:58.520 They do effectively the same thing.

00:06:00.060 They smear people on the right. 0.98

00:06:01.780 They accuse them of being the worst possible monsters or hateful or white supremacists. 0.56

00:06:06.120 This is used to incite run-of-the-mill default libs who don't know better, because what will 0.70

00:06:12.340 happen is you'll get some corporate news outlet, and they'll say, Jack Posobiec, comma, who

00:06:17.160 was called a white supremacist by the Southern Poverty Law Center, comma, says X. They can 0.55

00:06:22.160 inject that into articles, and then what happens?

00:06:24.380 Wikipedia editors will cite the corporate press saying, Jack Posobiec is a known white supremacist,

00:06:29.120 and they'll link to the corporate press.

00:06:30.920 It's how they launder fake news, smears, and manipulations.

00:06:33.760 So when Elon is saying they incited people to murder Charlie Kirk, he is correct.

00:06:38.980 Yeah, I mean, if you look at what they are doing, it's not just smearing people.

00:06:42.960 They associate people with the KKK and neo-Nazis.

00:06:46.080 So when they started attacking me in 2010, they were able to get a group of all the We Are

00:06:50.600 Change chapters all around the world, groups that I didn't even know existed, and they're

00:06:54.780 like, okay, here's We Are Change, here's the KKK, and here's where the KKK is located,

00:06:58.620 and here's a We Are Change chapter.

00:06:59.880 And I'm like, what do I have to do with the KKK or neo-Nazis?

00:07:04.100 But they lumped it in, and this is where the conversation got really violent.

00:07:07.340 It started in 2010, and then they started to do a patriot hit list, and they put me on

00:07:12.160 there, they put Ron Paul on there, they put Alex Jones on there, and they said, watch out

00:07:15.860 for these dangerous guys.

00:07:17.020 And then they went to federal and local law enforcement, and they said, keep track of these

00:07:22.140 guys, spy on these guys.

00:07:23.340 In 2018, they officially partnered with YouTube.

00:07:26.640 In 2019, they officially partnered with PayPal, and they censored individuals who had different

00:07:31.740 opinions.

00:07:32.660 All I was doing is raising questions and asking questions about 9-11, working with family members,

00:07:37.620 but that was somehow equated to being a neo-Nazi and working with the KKK.

00:07:43.140 And I'll give a great example of this.

00:07:44.300 So you mentioned 2010, and here we are, it's 2025.

00:07:47.080 In 2014, do you know who the SPLC added to their extremist hate watch list?

00:07:53.260 Dr. Ben Carson.

00:07:55.340 Yep.

00:07:55.960 Ben Carson.

00:07:57.080 In 2014.

00:07:58.060 The sweetest man you've ever met.

00:07:59.500 The sweet, you know, I remember him, you know, at the memorial just ranting and raving,

00:08:04.880 you know, spreading his hatred.

00:08:07.860 And then what was it?

00:08:09.460 It was because, you know, here he comes in as a Christian.

00:08:12.460 He was standing in defense of traditional marriage, which, of course, is a core Christian

00:08:17.260 belief of just very basic Christian belief about marriage.

00:08:22.020 And they named him an extremist because of this.

00:08:24.240 So to your point, and this is 100% right, they can just basically willy-nilly label anybody,

00:08:29.960 right?

00:08:30.160 And then you mentioned, Tim, that they launder this through.

00:08:33.640 So go ahead and I just today, because I was Googling it, I was like, Charlie Kirk, SPLC.

00:08:38.760 Oh, wait, are we doing a line change already?

00:08:43.380 Are we doing a line change?

00:08:44.460 No, not yet.

00:08:45.280 No, no, no.

00:08:46.460 That's funny.

00:08:47.420 Why is that music playing?

00:08:48.440 I have no idea.

00:08:49.280 I don't know.

00:08:49.480 Why would they?

00:08:50.240 That's very bigoted.

00:08:51.040 Something must be wrong in the production.

00:08:52.000 That's very bigoted.

00:08:52.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:53.360 It's okay.

00:08:54.080 It's better than the- 0.99

00:08:55.240 Anyway, so I Google, Charlie Kirk SPLC.

00:08:58.220 Our original producers got deported, so.

00:09:00.080 That's true.

00:09:00.820 Well, I'm the token Hispanic on the- 0.97

00:09:03.960 I'm quarter Mexican.

00:09:05.220 You're quarter Mexican? 0.99

00:09:06.100 People don't know this.

00:09:06.680 Yeah, my grandpa said we were Spanish, though.

00:09:08.920 It's a long story.

00:09:10.140 Thank you.

00:09:10.860 Yes.

00:09:12.660 That was actually well-timed.

00:09:14.760 Better job on the segment.

00:09:16.820 All right.

00:09:17.540 Wait, why did you start wiggling when that song came on?

00:09:19.860 I can't help it.

00:09:20.580 It's a website.

00:09:21.380 Yeah.

00:09:21.900 I changed their hate watch list to enemies of the leftist revolution, just so that, you

00:09:27.280 know, people understood what they were actually trying to say.

00:09:29.140 That's exactly right.

00:09:30.060 That's exactly-

00:09:30.580 Yeah, exactly.

00:09:31.360 So I just Googled this.

00:09:32.700 So throw this up. 0.80

00:09:33.800 Throw 347 up.

00:09:36.680 And I found this.

00:09:38.700 This is literally-

00:09:39.540 I Googled it.

00:09:40.360 Charlie Kirk, SPLC.

00:09:41.580 This is the second article, Tim.

00:09:44.560 And it's Charlie Kirk, white supremacist, dead at 31.

00:09:48.380 Wow.

00:09:48.740 Second article that you-

00:09:49.760 If you just Google, Charlie Kirk, SPLC.

00:09:52.520 And then, of course, go to 348.

00:09:54.940 You look at it, and it's like, oh, oh, oh, a cornerstone of supremacist logic, and they

00:09:59.600 link to the SPLC.

00:10:01.480 So do you see how they do it?

00:10:03.320 They just-

00:10:04.280 And by the way, this has been seen, I guess, 30,000 times about.

00:10:07.980 Well, back in-

00:10:08.500 And then what happened in May?

00:10:10.180 Yeah.

00:10:10.480 Well, in May, I mean, of course.

00:10:12.340 And actually, this is-

00:10:13.420 Elon Musk gave me a retweet tonight, or a quote tweet.

00:10:16.140 Let's go.

00:10:16.920 And-

00:10:17.420 And by the way, thank you to Elon, seriously, for taking on this fight.

00:10:22.220 He doesn't have to do this.

00:10:23.600 And he didn't have to take on the ADL.

00:10:25.620 He didn't have to buy X.

00:10:26.600 He didn't have to come out here.

00:10:27.800 But it was the right thing to do.

00:10:30.140 And he's even-

00:10:31.140 And I just got to say thank you on a personal level as well, because David Sachs had tweeted

00:10:35.940 a thread out earlier today saying that, look, when you Google Stephen Miller, the very first

00:10:41.640 thing that comes up is the SPLC.

00:10:43.300 If you Google Jack Posobiec, the very first thing that comes up is the SPLC.

00:10:48.500 And there's no rhyme or reason for this whatsoever.

00:10:52.860 It's not like people are linking back to it, but it's always there.

00:10:55.640 So Elon not only tweeted it out, he also put in the comments, he CC'd Sundar Fichai,

00:11:02.000 the CEO of Google, and is like, what's going on?

00:11:05.080 Well, I mean, listen, if ever there is a time to get vehemently pissed off about this

00:11:09.960 stuff, they just murdered Charlie.

00:11:12.620 The man who should be sitting in this chair right now, tonight.

00:11:15.500 Right in this chair.

00:11:16.400 And I can't tell you that the assassin read the SPLC hate map article about Turning Point

00:11:24.260 that was added in May.

00:11:25.520 But what I can tell you is that it contributes to an ecosystem of radicalism.

00:11:31.480 And Tim, we talked about this on your show earlier this week.

00:11:33.720 Like, it is a they. 1.00

00:11:35.780 It is a they, right? 1.00

00:11:36.880 You can, yes, the assassin is personally responsible.

00:11:39.600 But it is a they because it's part of an ecosystem of radicalization. 0.68

00:11:43.520 And you're seeing it in the polling where 30% of, what, progressives between the age

00:11:49.440 of 18 and 39 believe that violence is totally justifiable politically.

00:11:54.200 Well, because it's one movement.

00:11:55.600 And that's the issue.

00:11:56.300 Do you, it's often described very interestingly, you know, what, what is the left and the right?

00:12:01.040 And you can be a, you take a look at some of these people in the space.

00:12:06.260 Joe Rogan's a great example.

00:12:07.380 He's a bit of a lefty.

00:12:08.300 He's the example, right?

00:12:09.460 And they call him right wing or far right because he's not in the cult.

00:12:12.960 So when you see AOC on the House floor disparaging and smearing Charlie Kirk, she is proselytizing 1.00

00:12:21.020 her to her cult.

00:12:22.480 She is giving a sermon to her fake non-theistic religion or to this non-theistic religion.

00:12:27.620 They are adherents to it.

00:12:29.500 They, when you go to their meetings, their protests, they say, respect the diversity of

00:12:35.080 tactics.

00:12:35.860 What that means is we are all part of one movement.

00:12:38.720 And here's the real secret, what they're actually saying, they'll go to you and say,

00:12:42.920 no, no, no, look, here's the thing.

00:12:44.480 The other activists that come here and want to find out, find a way to change the world

00:12:48.720 may not agree with you, but we're fighting for the same cause.

00:12:51.140 So let them do it.

00:12:52.160 What they're not telling you, those guys over there work for us.

00:12:55.320 They're telling you, you don't have to feel bad about the violence they commit.

00:12:59.180 They're a different group.

00:13:00.180 They're not.

00:13:01.460 Maybe you guys know this, but did the FBI cut their ties with the SPLC?

00:13:05.500 Because they've been working with them for an extremely long time.

00:13:08.320 And if there ever was a time and opportunity to cut ties with the SPLC, it is now.

00:13:12.160 But I want to go further.

00:13:13.380 That is one of the action items that we're calling for.

00:13:15.760 We're calling for the FBI.

00:13:16.880 We're calling for Amazon Smile and any other federal law enforcement or any of these organizations.

00:13:22.720 But we should take it further, not just to stop working with them, but I want disclosures.

00:13:27.560 I want to know who the ADL was working with on the FBI with to spy on what commentator,

00:13:33.820 on what personality, what work were they doing?

00:13:36.400 And if Cash Patel is listening, I hope he does full disclosures, not just cutting off the ties.

00:13:40.620 And believe it or not, so when everyone remembers the huge scandal for Catholics that the SPLC, 0.86

00:13:48.660 or excuse me, that the FBI was surveilling and investigating and infiltrating Catholic groups

00:13:57.020 that were, you know, praying the rosary a little bit too hard and how it was completely insane.

00:14:01.440 It became this national scandal.

00:14:02.760 That operation was shut down when Cash Patel got in, thank God.

00:14:06.140 But one thing that people missed, and Elon actually just quote-sweeted me

00:14:10.360 because I was pulling out some of my old reporting,

00:14:11.960 that investigation was predicated on an SPLC report about Catholics.

00:14:18.620 So they used an SPLC article as a, quote-unquote, what Luke is saying here is 100% correct,

00:14:24.500 and this is just a very famous example, that people have to understand where this stuff comes from.

00:14:29.860 So the SPLC writes the article, then the FBI sees it and says,

00:14:32.960 oh my gosh, we have to start an investigation,

00:14:35.080 then they get approval to start infiltrating Catholic churches.

00:14:37.500 And spying and tracking and doing all these illegal things.

00:14:40.100 It gets better.

00:14:40.580 Can we pull up this article that I got here?

00:14:42.680 This is from the Post Millennial.

00:14:44.880 Recently polled Apple TV show about online hate group researcher was inspired by ADL's anti-extremism work.

00:14:52.580 This is the Jessica Chastain show.

00:14:54.140 That's right, that's right.

00:14:55.240 Check this out.

00:14:55.840 Are you serious?

00:14:57.200 Yeah, from Post Millennial.

00:14:58.440 Apple TV's polled series starring Jessica Chastain was based on ADL's researcher tasked with monitoring online hate networks.

00:15:07.440 The show originally scheduled to launch at the end of September was postponed.

00:15:09.800 The New York Times reported that it came after the assassination of Charlie Kirk earlier this month.

00:15:14.020 So here's the phony thing.

00:15:15.020 This show was basically a girl boss, liberal cultist wet dream where she goes online and LARPs 1.00

00:15:23.280 and then uncovers plots from white supremacist groups and then they go and break them up.

00:15:29.960 When the show got canceled, or it's pulled, suspended, who knows, maybe it'll come back.

00:15:33.800 Jessica Chastain then went on Instagram and gave this long tirade about the extremism on both sides. 0.71

00:15:40.760 You know, the right did this and the left did this.

00:15:42.840 It's more important than ever that we have a show like this on the air.

00:15:45.800 The reality, this is how they launder culture.

00:15:50.720 They create a movie about the ADL so that people who don't know better think this is what life is like.

00:15:58.820 And I will stress to you guys, I know there's a lot of people watching right now.

00:16:02.000 You're smarter.

00:16:02.860 I get it.

00:16:03.340 That's why you're watching our show, Thought Crime, all these shows.

00:16:06.980 You're a discerning individual.

00:16:07.860 But there are many people in this country that think the world is like movies.

00:16:11.080 Why do you think liberals want to ban silencers?

00:16:13.440 Suppressors, I'm sorry.

00:16:14.460 Because they think they go pew, pew, pew.

00:16:16.240 Because they've never actually seen one.

00:16:17.820 They base their worldview off of movies.

00:16:20.220 That's why they make shows like this.

00:16:21.900 To launder this idea of what the ADL is doing.

00:16:25.820 Well, and Tim, not only that, but, and we still haven't gotten, I'd love to get, by the way, like a media screener of this or something.

00:16:31.740 Because they pulled this show, and Andrew, I think you remember, it was like the day after Charlie died.

00:16:37.880 It was one of the first things that we saw, and no one had been talking about this show.

00:16:41.040 There had been like a meme about it, but nobody, like certainly, obviously, we weren't in a place to think about shows.

00:16:47.800 Nobody thought there was any connection between that show and Charlie Kirk.

00:16:52.340 But do you remember, okay, so this is a theory that's gone out since then about this show specifically.

00:16:57.540 Do you remember, and Tim, I know we talked about the other night, the Groyper hoax that was spread by so many on the left up to, and including, in a sense, Jimmy Kimmel.

00:17:07.820 That a Groyper had been the one pulling the trigger to shoot and kill Charlie. 1.00

00:17:12.980 Well, so many people were tweeting that out, that the theory was that perhaps a screener of the savant had gone out.

00:17:20.260 And what if that was a plot that had actually been in there, and that's where they all got the idea from.

00:17:26.920 Just like South Park.

00:17:27.540 Just like South Park, because they were saying, oh, wait, they're like, it seemed like they were really scared about something in that show.

00:17:36.880 Bro, do you know about the show Utopia?

00:17:39.280 Oh, yeah, that's a wild one.

00:17:40.700 I doubt it, but.

00:17:41.340 They have to have a disclosure in the beginning saying this is not a real life event.

00:17:44.900 There was a show that came out.

00:17:46.800 It was Amazon, I think, right?

00:17:48.040 Yes.

00:17:48.240 And it was about a tech billionaire who was concerned about climate change.

00:17:52.020 He had produced fake meat and was trying to get people to eat it because he wanted to reduce carbon emissions.

00:17:56.760 He secretly worked behind the scenes to create a pandemic scare so that he could get the government to force vaccinations on people,

00:18:04.540 thinking it would vaccinate them from this pandemic, but it sterilized them instead.

00:18:08.240 Yep.

00:18:09.340 Population control and eugenics. 0.86

00:18:10.760 And when did this come out?

00:18:11.720 A couple years ago.

00:18:12.680 Yeah, like 20, was it 2020?

00:18:14.740 Why is your T-shirt taped?

00:18:17.380 Given that story.

00:18:18.460 Well, there's some kids watching and it might not be the best and the most appropriate thing.

00:18:22.280 2020.

00:18:22.780 Yeah, I'll tweet about it.

00:18:23.620 Yeah, it came out and stop it. 0.98

00:18:25.020 So it would have been produced in 2019.

00:18:28.380 Yeah, it gets better.

00:18:29.780 When in 2020 was it?

00:18:31.820 I don't know if I'm the exact exact.

00:18:32.600 To your point, it was produced in 2019.

00:18:34.440 September.

00:18:34.620 September.

00:18:35.360 So it gets better.

00:18:36.720 The premise of the show is all of that,

00:18:39.040 but there is an individual with knowledge of the plot who wrote a comic book,

00:18:44.840 and in the comic book, it reveals the plot.

00:18:48.040 So the idea is if you get a copy of this comic book, Utopia,

00:18:52.060 you will know the plan the elites have for the world. 0.87

00:18:55.840 What a ridiculous story. 0.94

00:18:56.980 I mean, for us, we just have a TV show on Amazon about elites. 0.99

00:19:00.960 Yeah, we just live in real life.

00:19:02.180 It's totally not connected to anything that's going on in the world.

00:19:05.780 But to go back to the topic of the SPLC,

00:19:08.220 because I think it's important to talk about,

00:19:09.500 a couple years ago, there was a terrorist-inspired event

00:19:12.360 that a leftist lunatic used SPLC information

00:19:15.920 in order to shoot up the Family Research Council. 0.57

00:19:18.780 Floyd Lee Forkins.

00:19:19.020 A lot of people forget that they not only put people on hit lists,

00:19:23.620 but they were the inspiration for a terrorist attack before.

00:19:27.620 So what Elon Musk is talking about right now is of critical key importance.

00:19:31.660 Kash Patel needs to get on this right now.

00:19:33.500 He needs to provide disclosures.

00:19:34.760 He needs to provide us information, what's happening behind the scenes,

00:19:37.880 what was really going on, and why was federal police hijacked

00:19:41.920 by these leftist woke institutions that literally put us on hit lists.

00:19:46.280 I was there since 2010, and I remember seeing this terrorist attack,

00:19:49.120 and I'm like, I'm on that list that this lunatic looked at.

00:19:52.880 That happened in 2012.

00:19:54.020 And I'm like, they just, they're literally attacking me.

00:19:56.280 And I tried to reach out, and they actually contacted me,

00:19:58.900 and they're like, you know, we'll give you the benefit of that.

00:20:01.000 Let me interview you.

00:20:01.820 So I recorded the interview with the SPLC.

00:20:04.340 I was like, you guys don't understand.

00:20:05.820 We're raising money.

00:20:06.720 We're working with first responders.

00:20:08.420 We're working with family members.

00:20:09.740 We're working with rescue workers, survivors.

00:20:11.540 And I laid it all out.

00:20:13.440 They took my quotes out of context,

00:20:14.900 and then wrote an article talking about how I was a violent extremist.

00:20:18.440 When I never even said any of those things I did,

00:20:20.740 lied and slandered me, 0.98

00:20:22.780 and then put me on this target list that radicals use to kill people. 0.92

00:20:26.480 Jack, this reminds me of, sorry, Tim,

00:20:28.240 but this reminds me of, I want, in one instance,

00:20:31.540 tried to work in good faith with a certain SPLC person.

00:20:36.300 Yeah, me too.

00:20:37.060 Yeah.

00:20:37.560 No, but I just said, Jack, let me see.

00:20:39.380 Let me see.

00:20:39.780 Because they were coming after Jack,

00:20:40.960 and I was like, I'm going to just, let me see.

00:20:42.380 Because actually, I looked at his questions.

00:20:44.080 Like, there's really obvious.

00:20:44.800 Because they were reaching out to turning point for like an official blah, blah, blah.

00:20:47.900 Yeah, well, no, yeah, and it was obvious explanations for the questions he was asking.

00:20:52.640 We built timelines, I explained all this stuff,

00:20:54.940 and we spent a lot of time.

00:20:56.380 We, like, explained the anatomy of a meme

00:20:58.680 and, like, put the timeline out that showed very clearly.

00:21:02.020 Oh, is this the okay hand symbol or something?

00:21:03.500 It was along those lines, yeah.

00:21:04.740 So I tried to do it, and then the thing came out,

00:21:06.720 and it was just exactly what it was.

00:21:07.780 It was a complete smear job, hit job.

00:21:10.380 Let me tell you guys a story.

00:21:11.940 So in 2018, an article was put out by the SPLC, which included me.

00:21:16.840 It was written about a bunch of people who are, I guess you'd call them lefties, progressives.

00:21:23.240 And it was called The Multipolar Spin, How Fascists Operationalize Left-Wing Resentment.

00:21:30.240 What they were basically saying was,

00:21:32.460 here's a spattering of people who are on the left, but they're secretly fascists.

00:21:37.260 I was included in this.

00:21:38.340 I think Max Blumenthal was included in this.

00:21:41.680 And here's the best part.

00:21:43.240 They called me alt-right on mixed race, as everyone knows.

00:21:46.840 And they said that I had gone to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference.

00:21:51.420 Tim, why did you do that?

00:21:52.440 You shouldn't do that.

00:21:53.500 I've never been to Iran in my life.

00:21:55.440 It was really tone deaf.

00:21:56.200 And their source was an archive of a since, at the time, the website had been deleted.

00:22:03.540 It was some blog in Iran from some Holocaust denier who wrote a thing claiming I had been to Iran, which was made up.

00:22:11.640 So we actually filed a lawsuit against them.

00:22:14.000 They issued an apology and took it down.

00:22:15.660 Because my challenge to them was, if you want to claim that I'm an alt-right guy who went to Iran for a Holocaust deniers conference,

00:22:24.480 I have no problem having you go to court and tell a judge your source is a conspiracy theory website from Iran that was deleted.

00:22:32.340 I want that on the record.

00:22:33.580 And then we'll run.

00:22:34.400 So they were like, OK, we're taking it down.

00:22:36.260 Not to mention, you know, when they went after Max Blumenthal, he was like, I'm going to call my dad.

00:22:40.940 And they were like, we'll delete it.

00:22:43.340 I'm half-killing.

00:22:44.180 I don't know exactly how that went down.

00:22:45.140 They went after.

00:22:45.900 I thought I was sitting here going.

00:22:46.420 No, they went after.

00:22:47.900 Oh, God.

00:22:48.720 All right.

00:22:48.960 That's cool.

00:22:49.520 That's our line change.

00:22:50.540 I'm going to tap out.

00:22:51.380 I'm going to do a hot swap.

00:22:51.760 Hot swap.

00:22:52.180 Yeah, Blake's taking my spot.

00:22:53.480 All right.

00:22:54.140 Hot swap.

00:22:54.920 Blake is coming in.

00:22:55.780 Blake is coming in.

00:22:56.480 He's coming in hot.

00:22:57.560 He's coming in hot.

00:22:58.660 He's coming in hot.

00:22:58.900 Appropriate with that sombrero and a mustache and beard.

00:23:01.220 OK.

00:23:01.580 It's all you, brother.

00:23:02.600 Wait, Blake.

00:23:03.360 Blake, why do you have that crazy mustache on? 0.72

00:23:06.240 That crazy fake mustache? 0.94

00:23:07.220 Oh, you can't talk yet. 0.94

00:23:09.360 Dios mio.

00:23:11.260 Ay, caramba.

00:23:15.620 Oh, no.

00:23:17.080 Why are we all talking like this for some strange reason?

00:23:19.120 Well, because I ordered guac for the office, and we got really excited.

00:23:21.740 Wait, you ate guac?

00:23:22.460 You didn't share?

00:23:23.440 Well, you didn't have any.

00:23:24.080 Everybody was eating it.

00:23:25.520 No, I was, like, getting the show ready.

00:23:27.140 I was looking at tweets.

00:23:28.120 Elon's, like, pulling me up.

00:23:29.380 I would sit back.

00:23:30.020 I was like, hey, guys, instead of doing the show like normal, make Jack do the work.

00:23:32.840 Let's eat guacamole.

00:23:33.820 He guac me.

00:23:34.820 He just guac me on my own show.

00:23:36.920 When they delivered the guac, they just asked if we played the music.

00:23:40.720 Did you get the guac?

00:23:42.420 I think I did.

00:23:43.160 Yeah, I got guac.

00:23:43.620 But the thing is, I don't like guac, so I kind of just let it sit there and turn, like, brown or whatever happens.

00:23:48.080 No, no, I can't have that.

00:23:49.280 I can't have that.

00:23:50.640 So, Blake, we've been talking about the SPLC.

00:23:52.720 We were talking about it earlier today.

00:23:55.360 Just get your take on this.

00:23:56.740 What do you think about the fact that Elon Musk has just picked up the baseball bat and is just, like, beating down the Poverty Palace, which, by the way, that's, Tim, do you know that's what they call the SPLC's headquarters, the Poverty Palace?

00:24:13.940 What?

00:24:14.220 Yeah, we should, by the way, guys, we've got to get a picture up of, I should have said this before.

00:24:18.120 I was not working very hard in prep.

00:24:20.760 We have got to get a picture of the SPLC's headquarters.

00:24:24.040 It's literally a glass palace.

00:24:27.120 So, Blake, your thoughts on this.

00:24:28.520 They live in a giant glass house, and yet they throw stones.

00:24:32.320 They sure do.

00:24:32.900 So many stones.

00:24:33.620 Isn't it funny the names they choose for these organizations, though, the Southern Poverty Law Center?

00:24:37.500 Yeah.

00:24:37.740 It makes people think that it's, like, a liberal welfare organization that does legal work for hungry children.

00:24:45.440 I'll tell you what it's supposed to do.

00:24:46.100 It's exactly named so that people will think that it is, like, a 50s, 60s-era, like, civil rights organization.

00:24:53.980 Like, the, what was, MLK's group was, like, Southern Christian Leadership.

00:24:57.300 Yeah, it's a very similar name.

00:24:58.220 So they're clearly evoking that.

00:25:00.420 Yeah, I think it was founded in 1970 or so, and then it just immediately began its direct mail campaigns to scam neurotic housewives out of their money.

00:25:08.420 We had an event in Jersey several years ago that it was called, I forgot what it was called, but it was, it was called something, I forgot the name of it, but we, the subheader was Ending Violence, Racism, and Authoritarianism, and Daryl Davis was our headline speaker.

00:25:24.840 And literally, it was, I guess I would liken it to a centrist-type, you know, debate on morals.

00:25:35.840 Antifa called it a white supremacist event and threatened to burn the theater down.

00:25:38.820 And I'm like, it's literally called Ending Racism, Violence, and Authoritarianism.

00:25:42.000 They were like, yeah, we don't care.

00:25:43.980 And, and Blake, so you mentioned, you mentioned the scamming.

00:25:46.160 There have been, there have been liberals who have, oh gosh, here's the picture.

00:25:50.660 Tim, look at this.

00:25:51.840 This is their headquarters.

00:25:53.900 Blech.

00:25:54.600 That's ugly.

00:25:55.080 The Poverty Palace.

00:25:56.220 It looks like you could hit a button and it would like transform into something that does battle.

00:25:59.800 So their endowment currently, according to their 2024 release, is almost 900 billion.

00:26:09.080 Million.

00:26:09.540 Excuse me, 900 million dollars.

00:26:11.580 900 million dollars.

00:26:12.940 900 billion, that'd be like, no, no, no, I was thinking in my head, it's almost a billion.

00:26:17.280 It's almost a billion dollars.

00:26:18.340 So just under a billion dollars they've raised through these scams.

00:26:21.740 And there have been liberals and leftists and even, even communists like the people over at Current Affair that have, have come out and said, yeah, this is obviously a scam.

00:26:30.740 Former employees have come out.

00:26:32.140 It's obviously a scam.

00:26:33.400 What they're doing is they're claiming that they're doing all this work to fight the hate when essentially all they're doing is targeting people for hate.

00:26:41.860 And then shaking down, again, like like like old liberals for money. 0.96

00:26:47.600 They they also, Tim, you'll appreciate this.

00:26:50.220 They take that money and a bunch of it.

00:26:53.020 They'll send tens of millions.

00:26:54.260 I think 30 million, according to Tyler O'Neill over at Daily Signal, is is is sent down to the Cayman Islands for tax purposes as a tax haven right now.

00:27:04.220 So the the amount of very southern poverty.

00:27:06.760 Yeah, very southern, extremely southern in the in the Gulf of America.

00:27:09.580 So when you look at this, it's it's so ripe, not just for, by the way, federal investigation for wire fraud and mail fraud, because anything you do by mail is, of course, federal.

00:27:20.560 But Alabama, it is the reddest of the red states.

00:27:25.320 And yet they sit right there in Montgomery, Alabama, in their poverty palace, and no one does anything.

00:27:31.520 Wait a minute.

00:27:31.800 Oh, my gosh.

00:27:32.920 So, guys, do you see that?

00:27:34.680 So on the on the side up here there, we have MSNBC playing.

00:27:38.880 You guys can't see it.

00:27:40.240 MSNBC is literally running an SPLC ad right now.

00:27:45.100 That's MSNBC up in the top right.

00:27:47.440 Wow.

00:27:48.960 As we're talking about this and help help fight hate, they say fight hate.

00:27:54.120 And they've got T-shirts.

00:27:55.140 They're advocating for change.

00:27:56.940 Oh, there's a blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:27:58.840 You know, and they're talking about that.

00:28:00.360 That only looks like one of those that people think is just feds faking it.

00:28:04.360 Yeah.

00:28:04.820 Holy moly.

00:28:06.080 And...

00:28:06.440 You know, what's really interesting is that all of the good people...

00:28:08.600 We did not play...

00:28:09.320 That's actually a live MSNBC right now.

00:28:11.260 Did you notice that in the commercial, all of the good people were black? 1.00

00:28:13.960 Yes, of course.

00:28:14.700 Like, there was a lawyer who was black. 0.59

00:28:15.700 The judge was black. 0.97

00:28:16.440 The guy advertising, like, was black. 0.95

00:28:18.560 Then it showed the Patriot Front, a bunch of white guys in masks. 0.96

00:28:22.560 Then it showed a bunch of black protesters.

00:28:24.940 Is that who they're trying to fundraise off of, I guess? 0.51

00:28:26.800 Oh, no.

00:28:27.480 They're definitely not fundraising.

00:28:28.340 No, Tim.

00:28:29.140 Are you drawing some connection there?

00:28:30.600 No, there's no way.

00:28:31.780 It's not possible.

00:28:33.160 That's so crazy.

00:28:34.040 We did not...

00:28:34.620 So, yeah, the people can't see it because it's off screen, but we have a video wall here

00:28:38.740 that just shows, you know, pretty much all the cable news channels and the one that was

00:28:43.580 playing.

00:28:43.880 So, we've got, like, CNN.

00:28:44.740 We've got MSNBC.

00:28:45.540 Of course, we've got Rav.

00:28:46.660 This next commercial is worse.

00:28:48.120 It's mushroom coffee.

00:28:49.720 Ew.

00:28:50.460 Ew.

00:28:51.080 I will not drink the mushroom coffee.

00:28:53.420 I will not drink the mushroom coffee.

00:28:55.840 That is...

00:28:56.580 I like mushrooms, but not in that way.

00:28:59.300 Blake, you do shrooms?

00:29:00.640 No, no.

00:29:01.080 No, Ian's coming later.

00:29:02.700 Ian will be here sadly.

00:29:04.260 Speaking of mushrooms...

00:29:05.980 He'll pop up like a mushroom.

00:29:11.000 Wait, is he actually coming?

00:29:13.900 That is kind of a good segue.

00:29:17.560 Oh, he's here.

00:29:18.980 Wait, wait, you got to talk to Mike. 0.95

00:29:22.580 I love Mexican culture and I do love suicide. 1.00

00:29:25.440 I know you do. 0.93

00:29:26.860 I know you do.

00:29:28.280 I know you do.

00:29:29.040 Do we want to swap?

00:29:30.020 We're hot swapping?

00:29:30.420 I was going to swap.

00:29:31.340 Someone's just like, Ian, go.

00:29:32.380 They're talking about suicide.

00:29:33.100 We are a little swap in an hour out.

00:29:34.880 Okay.

00:29:35.260 Okay.

00:29:36.260 I'll call you up.

00:29:36.920 Yeah, I know.

00:29:37.480 We did talk about mushrooms, so...

00:29:39.260 Stay in the moment.

00:29:41.160 In the moment.

00:29:42.020 Thank you, Ian.

00:29:44.280 But, no, it's...

00:29:45.880 I mean, that's so crazy.

00:29:47.100 This is how big they are, that MSNBC is just running this stuff all the time.

00:29:52.740 So, and that's...

00:29:54.180 And, by the way, so, Blake, talk to me about the current demographic of an MSNBC primetime viewer that they're trying to target.

00:30:02.020 Okay.

00:30:02.380 So, the current demographic of an MSNBC primetime viewer, I'd say median viewer is probably, what, 75 years old?

00:30:07.960 At least.

00:30:08.600 Generously.

00:30:09.660 It's very aged people who watch these left-wing cable primetime shows.

00:30:15.000 And they basically, like, need to, like, constantly bombard them with fear porn.

00:30:20.320 It's, like, it's quite funny.

00:30:21.400 Like, if you read the direct mailers, too, that SPLC does, it's just very funny because they're basically trying to find, you know, rich or upper-middle-class housewives and being like, hey, remember the Holocaust?

00:30:32.460 It's about to happen again if you don't donate to the SPLC's poverty palace.

00:30:36.680 And, you know, they really whip them up.

00:30:40.020 It's so comical.

00:30:41.080 They're always like, oh, this last year was, this is a barn, but this is a record-setter in hate.

00:30:45.800 And there's more hate groups than ever, Jack.

00:30:47.740 And this is why, though, this is why they've, and Tim, you know, this is why they have to expand the aperture because there's a supply and demand issue to the point where Charlie Kirk, right,

00:30:59.040 the guy who's never raised a hand in anger, who just wants to have dialogue and campus debate, gets ensnared in it.

00:31:06.540 Why is it so easy to be evil, you know?

00:31:08.720 This stuff doesn't work on the right.

00:31:10.320 If we made something comparable, we called it the Northern elitist, you know, law directive.

00:31:16.040 Yeah, if we were saying Code Pink were a bunch of crazy radicals, like, and saying that they're extremists that are going to hurt people. 0.91

00:31:22.060 Well, whatever.

00:31:22.820 They're still entitled to their opinion, and they're mostly nonviolent.

00:31:25.920 And they do things, you know, pretty peacefully, and sometimes I agree with them, actually.

00:31:30.520 Sometimes I absolutely disagree with them, but there isn't an effort to try to, yeah, they're anti-war people.

00:31:36.020 If there was an effort to label them terrorists, I mean, that would be a little bit extreme.

00:31:39.360 That would be kind of crazy.

00:31:40.060 I'm just saying the right doesn't have anything comparable where we create a fake organization with a fake name and then trick people into giving over tons of money.

00:31:48.260 Because that's not how the right operates.

00:31:49.480 Is it being evil doesn't work on the right?

00:31:50.700 The right doesn't just sit there and go, oh, my gosh.

00:31:53.060 Like, we don't make these crazy comparisons and say, you know, you remembered this thing from 85 years ago.

00:32:00.540 It's about to happen again if you don't give us money right now.

00:32:03.720 Like, you can go and look at, again, so, I mean, like, Turning Point USA, right?

00:32:08.960 You know, obviously, we're here.

00:32:11.120 We've got the shirt on.

00:32:12.600 Charlie's the leader.

00:32:13.380 You know, go look at a Turning Point fundraising drive.

00:32:16.060 It's like, we're going to teach people about the Constitution, and we're going to talk about the Bible and talk about how great America is.

00:32:24.860 And let you come and have a debate in person.

00:32:26.720 Everyone can hear what's going on.

00:32:27.740 And debate series, of course.

00:32:28.800 That was the centerpiece of everything that Charlie did.

00:32:31.740 You guys want to talk about this story?

00:32:33.340 Can you pull this one up?

00:32:34.720 We don't need the audio for it.

00:32:36.140 It's just an amazing video.

00:32:37.140 This is an Antifa guy who dumped red paint at the ICE facility in Portland, and he found out.

00:32:46.000 He found out.

00:32:46.860 You can see here on the left this obese young man being arrested.

00:32:51.320 And then what do you think his reaction was once he was actually in the facility?

00:32:54.500 Probably laughing, probably taunting.

00:32:56.560 Is that what you think?

00:32:57.480 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:32:57.900 No, he's shivering in fear and pleading for his life, terrified, because he thought he was playing a game.

00:33:04.540 Look at him.

00:33:05.200 He's shaking and terrified, begging for forgiveness.

00:33:08.840 You can't really hear the audio in it.

00:33:10.420 It's just, you know, he's just sitting there shaking, terrified.

00:33:13.460 These people that go out, they create the shield for the terrorists to hide in the bushes and shoot like we've seen in the past. 1.00

00:33:20.780 These people are stupid. 1.00

00:33:22.100 They think they're playing a game. 1.00

00:33:23.800 They show up to these facilities.

00:33:25.120 They dump paint.

00:33:26.100 And he's overweight.

00:33:27.900 This dude, he doesn't look like he wants for anything.

00:33:30.680 He's just bored and has no purpose.

00:33:32.900 And now he found out.

00:33:34.080 I think I'm happy to see ICE going to these extremist groups and having real law enforcement explain to them.

00:33:41.280 And here's what I say.

00:33:42.360 Tell me if you agree.

00:33:43.260 I think he should get a month in jail.

00:33:46.120 Well, I think I'd want to see what all he did, though.

00:33:50.120 Sure.

00:33:50.360 I'm saying for dumping paint.

00:33:52.140 If that's all he did.

00:33:53.560 Criminal damage to federal property.

00:33:55.060 Take a guilty plea.

00:33:57.060 One month.

00:33:57.800 You go to federal lockup.

00:33:59.080 And then all your friends can say, where did Enrique go?

00:34:01.780 And you can say he went to federal lockup.

00:34:04.080 Why?

00:34:04.640 Because he was attacking federal law enforcement officers.

00:34:06.440 I'll say this.

00:34:06.980 A month minimum.

00:34:08.600 Minimum.

00:34:09.040 The reason why I think a month is.

00:34:12.080 Because he didn't just do it.

00:34:12.980 He did it as a member of this group.

00:34:15.320 And so that's an enhancement.

00:34:16.880 Yes.

00:34:18.560 There's some pros and cons in the weight of this.

00:34:20.640 And actually, I think it'd be great if you guys want to chime in a second.

00:34:22.780 Wait, by the way.

00:34:23.360 I just have to say, though.

00:34:24.260 Can we throw up the original picture of him again, guys?

00:34:26.960 Because I want to be clear.

00:34:28.680 Which one?

00:34:29.360 The original picture of when he had his hands up there.

00:34:32.340 Oh, yeah.

00:34:32.860 Because when he had the red paint.

00:34:34.040 Because when you see the red paint, it's very clear that they quite literally caught him red-handed.

00:34:41.540 Oh! 0.60

00:34:43.300 Indeed, they did.

00:34:44.180 Sorry, that's all I got.

00:34:46.140 And the music.

00:34:48.140 If you were doing, if you've got disorderly conduct, what do you get?

00:34:51.160 You get a week in a community service?

00:34:52.540 If that, you get a slap on the wrist and a fine?

00:34:54.860 He's, he's.

00:34:55.820 We also don't know if he has priors.

00:34:57.080 This is, indeed.

00:34:58.380 That does seem like.

00:35:00.080 What you're seeing in that video, though, is likely what they call shock of capture.

00:35:03.780 So a guy who's been arrested before probably isn't going to react like that. 0.92

00:35:08.220 This looks to me like some chubby loser with no purpose who thinks he's playing a game. 0.94

00:35:12.260 He splashed paint at the ice facility. 0.97

00:35:14.100 That's criminal damage to federal property.

00:35:16.520 I don't think it's effective to throw him in lockup for a year because that could actually radicalize his friends.

00:35:21.160 They actually rely on this. 0.98

00:35:22.440 One of the strategies the far left uses is to intentionally get stupid people arrested to then radicalize them because they'll tell you it wasn't the punishment excessive. 0.99

00:35:30.940 So you've got to find that happy medium where his friends will be like, I don't want to go to jail for a month. 1.00

00:35:34.680 Screw that.

00:35:35.400 But he gets out in time to where it's not like he was disappeared or anything.

00:35:39.040 During a lot of these protests, what Antifa will do is they'll tell the average person, show up, stand here, wiggle your arms, and chant.

00:35:46.740 They'll then tell their – they color code it.

00:35:49.520 They'll tell the direct action group, that's what it's called, go in the middle of that crowd and throw a brick at a cop. 0.98

00:35:54.360 What happens then is these dumb college kids who have no idea what's going on are standing there derping around. 0.98

00:35:59.000 A brick flies in there, hits a cop. 0.99

00:36:00.460 The cops say, okay, we're shutting this down.

00:36:02.780 Starts grabbing people and arresting people.

00:36:04.920 Once these people, these college kids who have no idea what's going on, end up in jail, they're panicking.

00:36:10.040 They're shaking.

00:36:10.660 They're terrified.

00:36:11.980 That's how they recruit.

00:36:13.220 Not kidding.

00:36:14.220 They'll then have the direct activists, the direct action crew, be in jail and get arrested too intentionally and say, don't worry.

00:36:22.200 We are here for you.

00:36:23.140 Our lawyers are going to get you out. 0.83

00:36:24.740 Isn't it crazy how evil these cops are?

00:36:26.960 You didn't even do anything wrong.

00:36:29.000 Sing with us.

00:36:30.200 Hey, when you get out, call me.

00:36:32.160 Here's my number.

00:36:32.680 Write it on your arm, and we'll make sure you're safe.

00:36:35.480 That's how they radicalize people.

00:36:37.520 So with that being said, what if we put them away for 10 years?

00:36:41.200 The guy's friends will get radicalized.

00:36:42.880 Minimum.

00:36:43.240 His family will get radicalized, and his friends will get radicalized.

00:36:46.600 So I'm not thinking about this in terms of the emotional satisfaction.

00:36:50.260 If the Antifa terrorists who know what they're doing and organize, 10 years, agreed.

00:36:54.620 Their friends are already radicals.

00:36:56.140 So by the way, have you ever heard the categorization of these various groups that you're talking about within the black block, the colors?

00:37:04.300 Have you heard the colors?

00:37:04.820 Green, red, and yellow?

00:37:05.520 Yeah, green, red, and yellow.

00:37:06.220 Oh, yeah.

00:37:06.800 I've been in those meetings, bro.

00:37:08.000 So the green, yeah, the greens are the ones who just kind of like march around.

00:37:10.940 And they don't know.

00:37:11.720 They conceal, right, and they have no idea.

00:37:13.640 Then the yellows are your organizers, your leaders, your directors, managers. 1.00

00:37:18.420 And the yellows, by the way, travel around highly organized.

00:37:21.800 We were talking about it the other night on Teamcast Proper that they are highly organized and clearly financed.

00:37:28.600 And then the reds are just the crazies. 1.00

00:37:31.900 It's the direct action group.

00:37:32.800 Of direct action to say.

00:37:34.380 And when I would infiltrate Antifa events like prior to the attack on the deplorable in 2017 at Trump's first inauguration, they would move someone around.

00:37:44.740 And they would say we would have like 200 people in a church basement.

00:37:48.660 And they would say, okay, anyone who's interested in direct action, we're going to go over here into another room.

00:37:54.080 But if you're interested in that, come on over here.

00:37:56.320 And those are the reds. 0.93

00:37:57.280 That's the top of the pyramid.

00:37:58.820 There's fewer of them.

00:38:00.020 But those are the ones that are going to commit actual violence.

00:38:03.280 Yep.

00:38:03.400 And so the green group is the doofy college kids who have no idea what's going on.

00:38:09.100 Right.

00:38:09.780 They don't want them to know.

00:38:11.440 They want to radicalize them.

00:38:13.520 And so they tell the direct action group, we need to get these people arrested, as many of them as possible.

00:38:18.180 So you might see a flyer at a college and it's like, come march for this social injustice.

00:38:22.700 And what the actual plan is, is there's going to be three guys who wear all black and masks.

00:38:28.140 They're going to tell you to wear the same.

00:38:30.000 They say, wear all black.

00:38:30.900 Wear a hoodie in solidarity.

00:38:32.100 They're going to go up to a cop, hit them or throw a water bottle or something to get you arrested intentionally so that you're terrified because they know the machine is cruel.

00:38:43.140 But when you get arrested, the cops are like, don't know, don't care why you got arrested.

00:38:45.800 Stand here, take your picture.

00:38:46.860 And they're shaking and they're terrified.

00:38:48.300 They've never been arrested before.

00:38:49.520 They've probably never had a job before.

00:38:51.640 That's when they can strike.

00:38:53.360 Oh, you poor thing. 0.98

00:38:54.860 Look how evil police are.

00:38:56.660 And then come meet us next Saturday and we'll explain everything to you.

00:39:00.040 Then they get a new radical.

00:39:02.100 You know, I don't know.

00:39:03.420 I'm not sure if it's bad to radicalize.

00:39:05.880 I would just say if they want to get radicalized because they're like, you know, faffoing and then they get radicalized and they do something more radical.

00:39:12.300 Okay, 10 years, 25.

00:39:15.080 I don't care about filling up a prison with 50,000 of these freaks. 0.99

00:39:18.020 But what I'm saying is this guy's roommate gets radicalized and you're making more protesters.

00:39:23.180 That's what they want you to do.

00:39:24.180 The number of protesters is irrelevant.

00:39:25.480 What matters is if you're doing criminal stuff, if you're attacking cops, if you're destroying buildings, that instead of getting a slap on the wrist, that you are getting, oh, sorry, you're like an insurrectionist. 0.98

00:39:35.800 You're a terrorist.

00:39:36.680 You're going to prison for the rest of your youthful life.

00:39:37.660 This is a mentality that's led to the collapse of a bunch of countries because what the last does.

00:39:41.400 Not El Salvador.

00:39:42.320 Well, so I'm not talking about them going running up gangs and arresting them and putting them in prison.

00:39:47.020 These are known gang members who are terrorizing communities.

00:39:49.460 Isn't Antifa a virgin gang? 0.93

00:39:50.500 This is a doofy, chubby kid who has no idea what's going on in the world who threw paint on the ground. 1.00

00:39:55.120 And he's got a bunch of friends who are also doofy morons who have no idea what's going on in the world. 1.00

00:39:59.060 I'm not talking about letting a guy who smashes a cop car go. 1.00

00:40:02.400 I'm talking about the moron chubby guy who's never been arrested before, never had a job, showing up to what he thinks is a playground for LARPing. 0.96

00:40:08.120 And then when you guys say lock him up for a year or longer, Antifa is like, yes, we tricked them into radicalizing more people that are going to fundraise on our behalf, that are going to make money for us and sustain us. 0.97

00:40:20.520 You have to be strategic in how you handle their traps.

00:40:23.720 So if a guy shows up with a gun, you arrest him.

00:40:26.160 If a doofy, chubby guy shows up, you say, this guy, I said a month.

00:40:30.300 Why?

00:40:30.900 Because he won't be disappeared.

00:40:33.400 He'll get out in a month and say, I'm never doing that again.

00:40:35.540 And his friends will be like, dude, I don't want to go anywhere near that stuff.

00:40:37.440 No, but couldn't he also just get out in a month and say, I'm going to go do it again? 0.77

00:40:41.420 No, not the doofy retards who don't know anything about politics. 1.00

00:40:45.380 He showed up because someone at his school said, do you want to come hang out after school? 0.97

00:40:49.060 We're going to go protest ice.

00:40:50.240 And he went, what's ice?

00:40:51.680 And they said, you know, the immigration thing.

00:40:53.440 And he went, OK, he showed up.

00:40:55.460 I mean, he's not just a kid, though.

00:40:57.400 He's he's over 18.

00:40:59.240 He's in college, presumably, or at least college age.

00:41:02.240 And he knows what a federal facility is.

00:41:05.380 He knows what a police station is, at least.

00:41:07.320 And he knows that he's attacking.

00:41:08.460 What is your goal?

00:41:09.160 What is your goal?

00:41:09.940 What's your goal?

00:41:10.700 The goal.

00:41:11.220 What do you want to happen?

00:41:12.080 The goal is to wipe out Antifa.

00:41:13.660 OK, so if Antifa is setting radicalization traps and this guy.

00:41:19.280 Antifa, it's all of them.

00:41:20.620 I mean, the radicalization is.

00:41:21.800 Here's the point.

00:41:22.720 Criminal damage to federal property is, I think, a class A misdemeanor, which has a maximum of a year in jail.

00:41:28.460 I love it.

00:41:29.260 So for a guy who's on a first offense and is a doof, I say a month in jail. 1.00

00:41:33.160 So a month in jail.

00:41:34.620 I'm not talking about playing him down to community service.

00:41:36.680 I'm saying you go to jail for a month.

00:41:38.140 If you give him the maximum penalty right away, I wonder if it's a federal.

00:41:42.360 We've talked about, like, you know, three strikes laws in general for, like, you know, habitual criminals.

00:41:47.280 But I wonder if you could do something like actually specifically dedicated for sort of antisocial rioting.

00:41:53.240 Or maybe it is first offense, as you say, maybe a month, maybe even two weeks.

00:41:56.680 But then it's, like, your second one, it, like, radically escalates.

00:42:01.360 And at your third offense for, like, specifically disruptive rioting type stuff, even if it's what would normally be misdemeanor stuff.

00:42:08.560 Once we're saying, oh, you're just a person who always is going out and, like, starting stuff with cops and attacking federal facilities.

00:42:14.880 All right.

00:42:15.400 Fifteen years.

00:42:16.180 Minimum.

00:42:16.700 Have fun.

00:42:17.200 I say second offense a year. 1.00

00:42:19.060 So my point is, when you see it, Antifa is hoping to recruit stupid people who don't know what's going on. 0.99

00:42:25.740 And so my view is, agreed, we want to wipe out Antifa. 0.99

00:42:30.020 But I'll put it this way.

00:42:31.380 One of the things they would talk about in these direct action meetings, this is what the activists would say to you.

00:42:38.120 What would happen if you stood in the street and held up a sign and blocked traffic?

00:42:42.620 What would happen?

00:42:43.400 Honestly, probably nothing.

00:42:46.820 No.

00:42:48.200 Code pink does it all the time. 1.00

00:42:49.440 Something happens.

00:42:50.200 You get arrested.

00:42:51.460 Okay.

00:42:51.860 What happens tomorrow after the cops arrest you for blocking traffic?

00:42:55.640 Ten more protesters show up angry that you got arrested.

00:42:58.160 That's our goal.

00:42:59.000 That's how Occupy Wall Street grew, too.

00:43:00.500 That was their plan.

00:43:02.280 So during Occupy Wall Street, Tony Bologna, Anthony Bologna, pepper sprayed four women, and he created Occupy Wall Street.

00:43:09.400 This is really important for the history.

00:43:10.900 There were about 1,000 or so, maybe not even that many people.

00:43:14.340 A couple hundred.

00:43:14.820 I was there on day one.

00:43:15.840 It was only a couple hundred, not even.

00:43:17.120 I showed up on day three of Occupy.

00:43:19.580 There was like seven people.

00:43:21.200 No joke.

00:43:22.320 We were standing under a tarp in the rain.

00:43:24.500 An NYPD cop walked up, and he smiled and said, he's like, God bless y'all, and he left.

00:43:29.440 Seven people.

00:43:30.500 I said, should we leave?

00:43:32.200 Why am I here?

00:43:33.220 They told me, just wait till the weekend.

00:43:34.660 When people get off work, they're going to come. 1.00

00:43:36.320 That weekend, there was a couple hundred people who started to march down the street.

00:43:39.860 The police said, we're going to stop this march.

00:43:42.580 It's unlawful.

00:43:43.420 And they did what's called kettling and wrapped an orange net around them.

00:43:46.160 Four young women, and you can watch this video on YouTube, stood.

00:43:49.520 They were outside of the march.

00:43:50.600 They were not part of it.

00:43:51.620 Anthony Bologna, who was a, I think he was a captain.

00:43:54.580 I'm not sure.

00:43:54.920 Walked up to him for no reason, and sprayed their faces.

00:43:59.020 That video was uploaded instantly.

00:44:00.640 It was the fastest viral video in the history of YouTube at the time.

00:44:03.660 Over a million views in less than a day.

00:44:06.080 That video created something like 30 or 40 occupied chapters across the country, and sparked

00:44:11.620 a movement from 500 to 300,000 in one weekend.

00:44:15.360 The direct action people do this on purpose.

00:44:17.860 They said, how can we get the cops to slip up?

00:44:20.380 Another really great example is, they have a video where it's a white shirt in New York

00:44:26.380 swinging a baton wildly, and they CGI'd it to be a lightsaber.

00:44:31.320 And then they said, the police were beating, like, ha ha, look, we made a meme.

00:44:34.780 The police beat people for no reason.

00:44:37.360 The full video shows the occupiers attacking the cops, then pulling back real fast.

00:44:42.540 So when the cops respond with the attack, they can get a video of Antifa going like this

00:44:46.460 with their hands up.

00:44:47.140 Which is exactly what that ICE agent was in recently, where the woman looks like she's 0.99

00:44:54.220 getting pushed for no reason.

00:44:55.480 She attacks him.

00:44:56.240 Because she had attacked him, and there's like 20 minutes of her just attacking him.

00:45:01.640 She attacks him.

00:45:02.400 So Antifa will hit a cop, and then immediately four people will put their hands up.

00:45:07.680 So when the cops start trying to arrest them, they can start the video at Antifa going like

00:45:12.460 this.

00:45:12.860 Look, I mean, information warfare propaganda, that is going to be part and parcel of this.

00:45:18.300 But I agree with Tim.

00:45:19.400 We've got to be smart about this, right?

00:45:20.880 The facts of this case matter.

00:45:22.840 I made this point a couple days ago.

00:45:24.500 The left is waiting for their ICE George Floyd.

00:45:27.140 And if they have it, it's going to be their major rallying call.

00:45:29.660 And they've been great to not have...

00:45:32.020 Yeah, you have to show restraint.

00:45:33.260 I'm looking at videos.

00:45:34.160 I don't know what this kid did with the paint, but it looks like there are some people who

00:45:37.840 poured red paint on the sidewalk, and then they were putting it on their hands, and they

00:45:41.860 were like, look at the blood on the hands that ICE has.

00:45:44.140 And if this kid did that, I mean, it's not as egregious as throwing red paint on an officer

00:45:49.640 or somebody else.

00:45:50.220 So the facts matter here.

00:45:51.480 And I think we have to be super careful not to fall into the trap of the left.

00:45:55.260 And Saul Alinsky, who talked about this extensively, who sets up these traps for us in order to

00:46:00.380 make us look like the bad guys.

00:46:01.400 We're not the bad guys.

00:46:02.380 We shouldn't be the bad guys.

00:46:03.220 We should be tough.

00:46:04.600 But at the same time, we've got to be respectful of people's civil liberties and the Constitution

00:46:08.000 and the Bill of Rights.

00:46:08.760 Right, but you don't have a civil liberty to be a member of a terrorist group, which Antifa

00:46:11.740 has now been declared one.

00:46:13.360 And what I would say, though, is in addition to all of this, when we're talking about there

00:46:18.320 needs to be a huge focus on the yellows, because when you work with the networkers, the trainers,

00:46:23.620 the recruiters, the people who are actually behind these mass movements, their ability to

00:46:30.120 spread it will be broken.

00:46:31.520 So I'm not saying this is the only thing you do, but obviously it's going to be in tandem

00:46:36.720 with those same operations going against the higher-ups.

00:46:40.040 But this is my point.

00:46:40.800 This guy would be a green.

00:46:42.740 Some doofy college kid who has no idea what's going on.

00:46:44.780 You want to be careful about how you interact with them, because they're hoping you do so

00:46:48.300 that that guy can become a yellow or a red.

00:46:50.680 So the yellows, they should get RICO. 1.00

00:46:53.900 These are the facilitators and the organizers of this who plan how everyone's going to go

00:46:57.760 This is a thing where Congress could actually do something.

00:46:59.860 I hear the RICO thing a lot.

00:47:01.760 What's not really well known, RICO was passed to go after the mob.

00:47:05.560 Yeah, Blake has a great piece of this.

00:47:06.880 There's sort of, and when you read the RICO statute, the federal one, it basically says

00:47:11.300 you need predicate crimes to go after organizations.

00:47:14.380 And the predicate crimes they list are things the mob would do.

00:47:17.960 And as a result, inciting a riot is not one of them.

00:47:20.940 Yeah, it's drugs, it's homicide, it's involvement in those.

00:47:24.040 So conspiracy to incite a riot is not something that's covered under RICO in current law.

00:47:31.160 You know, all I'm going to say is, to change it, you would just need some sort of national

00:47:36.020 legislative body that was perhaps controlled by your party to pass a modification of that law.

00:47:43.960 But I don't know where we're going to get one of those.

00:47:46.540 They're not usually that effective.

00:47:47.080 So Tim, what he's saying is the RICO statute does not include inciting a riot.

00:47:52.840 Well, I'm not talking about that.

00:47:53.940 I'm talking about the yellows. 0.86

00:47:55.260 I'm talking about funding sources.

00:47:56.880 I'm talking about people organizing criminal action.

00:47:59.060 But that's what I mean.

00:47:59.320 So that's what we mean, though, is you can't use RICO.

00:48:00.820 What RICO is is what you have.

00:48:02.100 Hold on.

00:48:02.780 You can't use RICO against people who are part of organizations that launder money internationally.

00:48:08.460 I'm not following.

00:48:09.380 But laundering, the thing is, is when you say launder money, like they're laundering money for

00:48:13.720 a criminal enterprise.

00:48:14.640 And the criminal enterprise is to enable and further civil disorder in the United States, to like 0.54

00:48:19.260 cause riots, to get those people out of jail.

00:48:21.980 Like most of their monetary stuff, like they frankly don't need to launder a ton of money

00:48:26.640 because they're not getting the money through criminal means. 1.00

00:48:28.700 They're just getting rich idiots to donate money to them. 1.00

00:48:30.840 I bet in 10 minutes you could find somewhere. 1.00

00:48:33.520 Here's a story.

00:48:34.340 It was in, I think it was in, was it Nashville?

00:48:37.740 It was several years ago.

00:48:39.100 Antifa showed up to a restaurant and demanded that he put up a BLM flag.

00:48:43.580 When he didn't, they started smashing his property.

00:48:45.760 Okay, you got RICO.

00:48:46.300 So when, when they start going to businesses and threatened them, when you go to Berkeley

00:48:50.480 and you see people putting up signs saying, please don't hurt us.

00:48:53.220 And they put the symbols in their windows.

00:48:54.920 This is, this is RICO.

00:48:56.520 So sure.

00:48:57.560 If you want to approach it as simplistically as they riot sometimes, but that's not what

00:49:01.200 we're talking about.

00:49:02.180 The yellow category.

00:49:03.560 What he's saying is, what he's saying is you could add it to the RICO statute to catch

00:49:07.160 more.

00:49:07.640 Sure, sure.

00:49:08.180 Or, and, and, and we could do that at the same time that they're working on that.

00:49:11.040 We could be charging these people under RICO and going after them for criminal enterprise.

00:49:14.520 Of course.

00:49:14.760 There's a lot more they do than just riot.

00:49:17.400 I mean, there's, there's organized terror attacks that's clearly outside of, of, right.

00:49:22.520 And, and the financial ties are easy.

00:49:24.760 They fundraise off this stuff.

00:49:26.180 So when they're, when they're engaging in criminal acts under the threat, putting people

00:49:30.060 under the threat of force in order to get money, you've got RICO.

00:49:33.680 So the, the, the most dangerous element, in fact, I don't think is actually the red category.

00:49:38.220 These are the direct action guys who go on the ground and attack people.

00:49:40.260 You arrest those guys.

00:49:42.440 They're hoping they can get some of the, they can get some of these greens radicalized 1.00

00:49:45.700 and turn into reds.

00:49:46.400 The yellows. 0.99

00:49:47.360 These are the people who are connected to the NGOs who are being paid salaries by some

00:49:51.620 nonprofit for some, here's, here's, it's actually really, really simple.

00:49:55.840 Nonprofits are under very strict rules.

00:49:58.500 Business is under very strict rules.

00:49:59.820 I, I, I got to, I, Jack, you, you know this and it's crazy.

00:50:03.440 I have to explain this to people who've never run a business.

00:50:06.020 You can't just hire someone for no reason.

00:50:07.720 You running a company can't, I can't be like, Hey, Luke, you want a job?

00:50:12.880 Okay.

00:50:13.200 Just, I'll just pay you a salary.

00:50:14.760 Not going to work.

00:50:15.580 I have to write down what his job is.

00:50:17.420 I have to give him a job title.

00:50:18.840 I have to file that with the IRS and I have to prove it.

00:50:21.920 So if you ever get audited, they're going to say, show me Mr. Rutkowski's work and, and

00:50:26.160 prove to me that he's doing it.

00:50:27.180 Otherwise you've committed a crime.

00:50:28.500 When nonprofits, which are under stricter regulation, hire staffers and then tell them,

00:50:34.280 Hey, why don't you take the day off?

00:50:35.920 Wink.

00:50:36.460 And those, that person goes down to organize a protest.

00:50:38.980 Now you've got serious business and fraud, uh, at the, at the nonprofit.

00:50:42.920 And I can tie this back to the SPLC because remember, uh, stop cop city, uh, that was

00:50:48.840 going on in outside of Atlanta when they were attacking this, uh, police facility, Atlanta

00:50:54.660 PD facility, training facility that was being built out in, in disforested area and Antifa

00:51:00.120 were like living in trees at one point and then conducting serious attacks on the facility,

00:51:06.680 uh, burning, you know, Molotov cocktails, this type of thing.

00:51:09.440 Well, at one point in one of the major assaults on the facility, uh, there was an SPLC lawyer

00:51:15.500 who was not there.

00:51:17.140 And by the way, not there from, as a quote unquote legal observer, like when you see the

00:51:21.520 guys in the green hats, um, wow, it just hit something on my head.

00:51:25.380 Oh, that's weird.

00:51:26.300 I don't know what that is.

00:51:27.160 And, um, this, this was a guy that was actually participating in the assault itself.

00:51:32.440 Fraud.

00:51:33.120 When you raise money for a charity that says we're going to lobby for environmental issues,

00:51:37.960 but then your paid staff are going and organizing protests, you've defrauded the people who've

00:51:42.180 donated to you.

00:51:44.180 So there's a, there's a, there's a bunch of real easy ways to go after these people.

00:51:47.360 And so anyway, just to kind of wrap it up, my point ultimately was put them all in jail.

00:51:52.220 I was just saying, be careful about giving them the radicalization tools they need by 0.99

00:51:56.200 being overbearing on some moron chubby guy who doesn't know what's going on. 0.96

00:52:00.340 The, the guys in yellow should get 10 years. 0.99

00:52:02.900 This is Rico stuff.

00:52:03.920 This is mafioso.

00:52:04.600 They go to businesses and like legit, they'll say something like, Hey, are you, we want you

00:52:10.360 to put this in your window and they'll say, look, I'm not really interested.

00:52:14.840 Be a real shame.

00:52:15.880 If a pro, I mean, there's a protest tomorrow.

00:52:18.100 I mean, I can't imagine what the protest is going to do.

00:52:19.900 The businesses here, be a shame.

00:52:22.980 Okay.

00:52:23.540 And then the, okay, okay, okay.

00:52:25.500 Please, please, please don't hurt me.

00:52:26.660 I'll put the, I'll put it in my window.

00:52:27.640 Come on.

00:52:28.380 And that's classic intimidation, getting back to the original, the original point of

00:52:33.120 Rico was, uh, uh, was it racketeering and I mean in criminal organizations, racketeering

00:52:39.160 influence, uh, criminal organizations, have you been to Berkeley and corrupt organizations

00:52:44.420 is what it is.

00:52:45.700 Yes.

00:52:46.320 Have you seen how all the businesses have signs in their windows that either say, please

00:52:50.020 don't hurt me or we're leftists.

00:52:52.100 Yeah.

00:52:52.640 And I'm pretty sure it's all over the place.

00:52:54.300 I'm pretty sure the Chinese nail salon that was all immigrants didn't actually believe 1.00

00:52:57.900 in Marxist Leninism.

00:52:59.440 When I was in, uh, when I was in Chaz and, uh, we had all the buildings around there and

00:53:04.700 I lived in Chaz for a week.

00:53:06.900 Um, and you would see the businesses and people were trying as hard as they could, you know,

00:53:11.340 sushi places and car dealers and whatever it was to, you know, put the signs up saying,

00:53:16.680 you know, and many of them, by the way, have now have now gone on to sue the city of

00:53:20.020 Seattle.

00:53:20.380 And I believe there may have been a settlement in that case where, uh, they said, you've

00:53:25.000 completely deprived us of our rights.

00:53:26.860 You allowed this organization of armed individuals to prey on us.

00:53:31.540 You told the police to leave the area around the Capitol Hill, uh, Capitol Hill, Cal Anderson

00:53:38.220 Park, that neighborhood, which they later then became the Capitol Hill autonomous zone.

00:53:43.140 And, and, and all of these businesses sued because their, their places were getting burned.

00:53:46.880 They were getting squatted in.

00:53:48.180 Uh, nobody could work.

00:53:49.220 There are also people who lived in there cause it was mixed use.

00:53:52.640 So those people couldn't even come in and out of their homes on a regular basis.

00:53:56.960 I think where they have a video, they want us to play.

00:53:59.760 Oh, there's a video.

00:54:00.560 And then we might do our swap.

00:54:02.740 We're hot swapping.

00:54:03.740 We're hot swapping.

00:54:05.240 Oh gosh.

00:54:05.660 Who else do we have after Ian?

00:54:07.300 I think that's it.

00:54:08.920 I think it's Ian.

00:54:09.420 All right.

00:54:14.340 Do you think it's terrible how bigoted the president of the United States is being with all these

00:54:18.320 memes about Hakeem Jeffries?

00:54:20.080 That's muy malo.

00:54:22.160 Hey! 0.99

00:54:22.480 I thought we were doing that during, I thought we were doing that to cover this one.

00:54:31.620 Yeah, I thought we were doing that to cover it, but whatever.

00:54:33.360 And then is Andrew Hoke?

00:54:34.000 Whatever.

00:54:34.440 Anyway, as I leave, where do you guys see all the momentum going on the right?

00:54:38.600 Because there's cultural victories against the ADL, the SPLC, YouTube, cultural victories against Netflix.

00:54:44.400 Where do you guys want to see it to go?

00:54:45.640 I mean, YouTube just took back our video with Alex Jones and Joe Rogan, which is huge.

00:54:50.520 By the way, YouTube, you still have a whole bunch of my videos deleted.

00:54:53.200 I would love them back, especially the ones with us talking with David Icke, predicting everything

00:54:57.280 that happened that got taken down for COVID misinformation about 10, 12 years ago.

00:55:01.260 That would be nice, too.

00:55:02.180 But anyway, I'll leave you guys with that question.

00:55:04.200 Thank you so much for having me.

00:55:06.480 We'll have you back on.

00:55:07.440 We'll have you back on before we...

00:55:09.340 Thank you, SJBF Newsome for $20 on Rumble.

00:55:11.640 Ian, learn consent.

00:55:13.260 You need it.

00:55:13.940 Hold on.

00:55:14.780 Wait, wait, wait.

00:55:15.300 Let's get Ian in real quick.

00:55:16.680 That's fair.

00:55:17.800 Thanks, guys.

00:55:18.380 I was just standing there.

00:55:19.340 Ian, there's headphones right there for you.

00:55:20.340 By the way, Blake, there are headphones if you want them, and there are headphones here

00:55:24.540 as well.

00:55:25.020 I'm not sure those would fit over this object upon my head.

00:55:27.380 This asteroid?

00:55:28.360 What?

00:55:28.640 What are you talking about?

00:55:30.460 So, yeah, big news.

00:55:32.960 Last night, Google reinstated...

00:55:34.020 Wait, wait, wait.

00:55:34.420 Who is this guy?

00:55:35.280 Who is this crazy character next to us here?

00:55:37.300 I'm a space lord, man.

00:55:38.980 Have you ever been to the moon, Jack?

00:55:40.420 You think we've ever been to the moon?

00:55:41.500 I don't want to derail this awesome conversation.

00:55:43.500 Have I been there?

00:55:44.160 Have I been there?

00:55:44.720 I haven't been there today.

00:55:46.420 I have.

00:55:47.820 What, earlier today?

00:55:49.020 Yeah.

00:55:49.640 You went for lunch?

00:55:50.540 Went there for donuts.

00:55:51.480 Oh, yeah.

00:55:51.980 You know we're on the precipice of like a material science revolution?

00:55:55.400 There's a Dunkin' up there.

00:55:56.300 There's Dunkin' everywhere, bro.

00:55:57.340 But it's not free donuts.

00:55:58.140 You have to pay.

00:55:58.660 I have to pay, yeah.

00:55:59.460 Moon Bucks? 0.92

00:56:00.100 Yeah, Moon Bucks. 0.61

00:56:00.780 Yeah, Moon Bucks. 0.61

00:56:01.060 Well, let's talk about using authoritarian crackdowns on whatever.

00:56:04.820 All right.

00:56:05.600 Just on Ian.

00:56:06.240 There we go.

00:56:06.840 Just on Ian.

00:56:07.380 Wait, on you or on us or on the show?

00:56:09.700 Yeah, everybody, everyone.

00:56:10.520 Hey, look, man.

00:56:10.980 I don't know what you're into, but we're not talking about that.

00:56:12.560 Gentle.

00:56:13.000 Gentle.

00:56:13.220 Gentle.

00:56:13.320 I think it's a time for like virtue.

00:56:14.880 Because you guys were talking about self-restraint a lot.

00:56:16.580 That's actually temperance.

00:56:17.420 It's one of the seven virtues.

00:56:18.520 There you go.

00:56:19.440 There you go.

00:56:19.940 And holding the virtue, like the kindness that people inhibited and embodied after Charlie

00:56:24.520 was killed.

00:56:24.780 Seven virtues.

00:56:25.380 Here we go.

00:56:26.480 Yeah, it was.

00:56:27.240 I mean, there was a moment for people to rage, and people just held back.

00:56:30.760 They had kindness and appreciation.

00:56:32.160 Before we go, and I know you want to hit stuff, but so Ian, we're here.

00:56:36.400 This is Charlie's studio, and this is the chair of Charlie Kirk.

00:56:40.940 This is the chair where he sat, did his shows for years, day in, day out, when he was obviously

00:56:47.040 here locally.

00:56:48.360 You could see some of the personal effects himself, his children, that he left.

00:56:53.480 We haven't changed anything since the last time he was sitting here, and we talk about

00:56:58.960 these things on a daily basis, and they get really real.

00:57:03.860 Blake here was standing about three steps away when it all went down.

00:57:10.320 A lot of the staff that's currently working were there with him that day, and I don't want

00:57:17.940 to derail the vibe here, but it's real.

00:57:20.900 What concerned me was at his funeral, the memorial where everybody, Trump was there,

00:57:25.180 Stephen Miller was there, and I caught some clips where Erica's truly experiencing a level

00:57:30.680 of forgiveness, which comes from kindness and humility, and those are virtues.

00:57:34.940 And then Trump's like, I hate my opponents.

00:57:37.140 Let me get this entire thought out before you chime in.

00:57:39.200 I hate my opponents, which is wrath, which is the sin opposite of patience, the virtue.

00:57:45.420 And to exhibit sin, like if you live in virtue, you're living with Christ.

00:57:49.780 You're like Christ.

00:57:50.700 If you live in sin, you're like, well, you're anti-Christ.

00:57:54.280 So everybody can exert a moment of anti-Christ behavior by embodying the sins.

00:57:59.820 And when Stephen, particularly, I'd love to hang out with Stephen Miller and talk about

00:58:02.820 this, because when he issued a threat to all of our opponents, he spoke, and then he said,

00:58:06.800 and to all those that oppose us, you are hateful. 0.74

00:58:09.280 But he was broadcasting this.

00:58:12.100 That threat should have went on a direct channel to the opponent.

00:58:15.560 To broadcast a threat terrorizes the populace.

00:58:19.060 So I think we-

00:58:20.340 Well, I would argue the populace is currently being terrorized by the people killing Charlie

00:58:23.820 Kirk and others.

00:58:23.900 And he was speaking to those people who were listening.

00:58:26.280 They weren't being terrorized by him.

00:58:27.340 They were being comforted by him.

00:58:28.320 It's like saying, in Minecraft, you are a hateful person.

00:58:31.800 But I'm not saying it right to you.

00:58:32.920 Well, actually, let me ask you this, though.

00:58:34.320 So you say that, but Stephen Miller and President Trump are both currently officials of the federal

00:58:42.880 government.

00:58:44.100 And the Bible also tells us that in Romans and many other places, that it is the role of

00:58:51.160 legitimate government to hold the sword, to wield the sword, and to use the sword for justice.

00:58:58.320 So when he's talking about that, I'm looking at that as the role of the magistrate to enact

00:59:05.700 justice for what was done to Charlie.

00:59:08.000 I do think that is the role.

00:59:09.760 I don't want to hear.

00:59:10.520 But to invoke hatred, which is wrath, a sin at that level, I don't think the magistrate

00:59:15.280 needs to hate those that they destroy.

00:59:17.060 Just forgive them.

00:59:18.280 They didn't realize the danger they were tangling with.

00:59:21.380 Well, I agree as it pertains to Trump, but not Stephen Miller.

00:59:25.480 And also, Trump is just going to talk the way Trump does.

00:59:28.580 That's frankly just how it's going to be.

00:59:30.520 I don't know that we're ever—you just can't really police the way Trump does.

00:59:33.780 Yeah, at this point in the game, yeah, he's not going to—

00:59:36.380 Jetty E says, as a Mexican, I approve of everything going on here.

00:59:39.540 Thank you.

00:59:39.900 But I wanted to add—

00:59:40.540 What going on?

00:59:41.860 Yeah, I'm not sure either.

00:59:42.680 Just to show it a lot.

00:59:43.480 But he did say—I will admit, I will admit that—or I will add, I should say, that he

00:59:48.200 did say, I'm open to letting Erica convince me otherwise.

00:59:52.060 That's why I bring it up, because we're all capable of exhibiting Antichrist behaviors,

00:59:55.340 and we need to keep each other in check as we get more powerful and famous and well-loved.

00:59:58.780 If someone were to snap and then start embodying sin, they would, in retrospect, like, that

01:00:03.220 was the Antichrist—it's just a guy exhibiting Antichrist.

01:00:05.800 I think that's—I think as what Jack is getting at, you know, you were saying you were happy

01:00:09.880 that in the aftermath of this there was not an explosion of mostly peaceful protests,

01:00:14.460 as we might call them.

01:00:15.260 And I agree that that's a good thing, but I do think latent within that reaction is

01:00:22.200 the trust, the premise that there are legitimate state ways of responding to this, that they

01:00:29.740 will obviously find and punish the killer, and also that they will prevent future assassinations

01:00:36.720 like this happening, up to and including through, you know, corralling these violently

01:00:42.940 anti-social elements that want to kind of stoke low-level political violence across America

01:00:49.240 and put all of us at risk.

01:00:51.320 And anti-metric violence.

01:00:52.520 And if they lose their confidence that that can occur, there will be people who will go

01:00:56.800 in alternative, more radical directions.

01:00:58.880 Well, and Ian, this is exactly what we were talking about last night on TimCast, that what

01:01:03.880 happens when the legitimate authority, just on a practical level, what happens when a legitimate

01:01:09.280 government does not rise to the level of that government, does not provide for the safety

01:01:15.040 of the people, and then the people say, all right, if the government won't do it, then

01:01:19.880 I have to do it.

01:01:20.660 Yeah, that'd be splintering a factional gang.

01:01:22.640 We don't want that.

01:01:23.460 And that's what we don't want.

01:01:24.320 We need it swift.

01:01:24.980 Well, I was thinking, like, let's imagine maybe, like, the alternative extreme scenario,

01:01:29.460 the most extreme scenario possible.

01:01:31.000 Hypothetical, hypothetical, hypothetical.

01:01:32.340 No, as in hypothetically, let's say there was, like, a left-wing, a radical left-wing president,

01:01:36.960 and this happened to Charlie, and, like, the president came out and basically said, like,

01:01:41.220 he deserves it, and I'm going to sign a federal pardon for whoever did it.

01:01:44.680 Which is very similar to what Barack Obama actually said, by the way, after Charlie's murder.

01:01:50.420 You know, he kind of gave the comment where, you know, this is terrible, it shouldn't have

01:01:55.180 happened.

01:01:55.560 He goes, but, and then he reads off this litany of things that Charlie actually had said on

01:02:01.380 this show, on ThoughtCrime, and, but, you know, twisted in such a way and totally decontextualized

01:02:07.820 to remind his listeners, and by all intents, Barack Obama is the leader of the Democrat Party,

01:02:14.400 so he's sort of saying, you know, hey, you shouldn't have done this, but he was a bad guy.

01:02:19.200 He was a bad guy, and you shouldn't be sad.

01:02:21.200 You shouldn't be sad about it.

01:02:22.420 They're, so, Joe Rogan brought this up when he said, I think the people who hate Charlie

01:02:27.580 think he was a bad guy, and I think they were good guys, and I counter with, no, they

01:02:32.460 didn't know who Charlie was at all.

01:02:34.220 That's why the lies work.

01:02:35.940 They are told by their, by their death cult what to believe, and they say, yes.

01:02:41.460 So when Jimmy Kimmel goes on TV and says it was a MAGA guy who did it, they all go, yes.

01:02:46.560 And now when they're polled by YouGov, what do they say?

01:02:48.780 It was a right-winger who did it.

01:02:50.460 I got this question I want to ask you guys particularly.

01:02:53.300 A commenter said, hey, maybe Charlie would have wanted the man that killed him to receive

01:02:58.760 multiple life sentences so that he had an opportunity to atone in prison and find God

01:03:04.720 and really on his knees.

01:03:07.840 And I had just been like, oh, death penalty, death penalty, no question, death penalty. 0.55

01:03:11.020 And now I'm like, would it be better if he was able to suffer?

01:03:14.340 Well, Blake, you know, you spent a lot of time with Charlie talking about this issue.

01:03:19.020 You know, what would, and obviously, you know, Charlie had sort of an arc with that.

01:03:23.860 Where do you think he would be?

01:03:26.380 I mean, it's an impossible question.

01:03:27.560 I don't think Charlie would admit to like conflicted feelings about it.

01:03:30.540 But as you said, there was an arc.

01:03:31.600 He kind of, earlier on, he had, you'll see this pretty commonly with especially like pro-life

01:03:36.340 people on the right where they'll want, they'll feel they want maximum consistency.

01:03:40.340 So they'll be opposed to abortion and they'll also be opposed to the death penalty.

01:03:43.900 Pope Leo's comments yesterday were all about this.

01:03:45.960 Right before he blessed ICE, as it were.

01:03:47.900 No, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.

01:03:48.960 I just want to contextualize this for people.

01:03:50.560 I want to get, I want to explain this.

01:03:52.580 He wasn't blocking, he wasn't just blessing a block of ICE.

01:03:56.640 It was a secret signal that he's blessing the ICE mission in America.

01:04:02.720 Everybody missed this.

01:04:03.540 All I'm saying is he's blessing ICE.

01:04:05.080 He's blessing ICE.

01:04:06.100 It's a big wink.

01:04:06.860 He gives the big wink.

01:04:07.620 Like, yeah, I want to bless ICE.

01:04:11.080 Exactly.

01:04:11.740 So, but then Charlie himself, I would argue with him about this because I would, you know,

01:04:16.500 first of all, you, you reject vengeance as a principle that why you would do this, but

01:04:21.460 there are valid justifications for the death penalty.

01:04:25.740 And it's not merely that this individual person is dangerous.

01:04:28.840 I feel the best argument in favor of capital punishment is that you have to show maximum

01:04:34.760 levels of condemnation for the most destructive or evil acts in your society to say something

01:04:40.720 like this is so intolerable, it will be ripped out of the body politic, like the cancer that

01:04:45.340 it is.

01:04:45.780 And I think political assassination, which doesn't just, you know, end one life, it threatens

01:04:52.500 to basically destroy the country because we have a system that is based on nonviolent resolution

01:04:57.620 of differences through debate, through voting, through argument.

01:05:00.920 And someone went and smashed that to bits with a rifle.

01:05:05.500 And I think Charlie was like very understanding of that, that when you, when he was coming

01:05:12.980 to accept that, that when you refuse to consider maximally severe penalties on the worst criminals,

01:05:19.380 you're kind of exhibiting this general moral cowardice within your society and you're spreading

01:05:25.440 it. Now, should the man have an opportunity to find God?

01:05:29.840 Yes. But, you know, if he receives a proper trial and so forth, he will get all of those

01:05:35.420 things far more than, there are plenty of people, by the way, who are like police kill.

01:05:40.300 They just are, they're killed in the act, for example.

01:05:41.960 Like we will do lethal force to stop a criminal who is a danger to others.

01:05:47.200 Of course.

01:05:47.500 And sometimes we do that and actually we end up killing someone who is actually not currently

01:05:52.240 a threat to others. We, we accept the need to,

01:05:55.180 sometimes mistakenly kill somebody in order to have the general principle of protecting

01:06:00.500 the public.

01:06:01.620 And there's even something much more simpler than this.

01:06:04.180 If he got the death penalty, it would take 20 years.

01:06:06.400 He'd have.

01:06:06.900 Well, that's bad though.

01:06:07.880 I would, I would strongly encourage us to find a way to reform that.

01:06:11.260 Like no one who does something like a political assassination where like, if you're able to

01:06:17.020 prove their guilt, I suspect it will not be in any serious doubt.

01:06:20.460 You know, if you need to accelerate it, if you need full-time legal proceedings to make

01:06:24.120 sure this is all done and dusted in two years, in three years, make it happen.

01:06:28.980 Right.

01:06:29.120 But, but, but, but functionally right now, if he got the death penalty, he'd be in jail

01:06:32.360 for 20 years.

01:06:32.720 Yes.

01:06:32.760 But we should, we should definitely work on getting rid of that.

01:06:34.840 But because one, that would actually make the death penalty itself more effective.

01:06:38.320 We should never have someone getting executed where we need to trot out 30 year old newspaper

01:06:43.260 articles to remind them of why they were sentenced that way.

01:06:45.200 And so in 1901, when an anarcho-socialist murdered President McKinley, that anarcho-socialist,

01:06:55.900 the assassin, was executed in the electric chair just 45 days after killing President McKinley.

01:07:02.100 You know, that was, that was 1901.

01:07:04.580 There's a, there's a challenge in the, in the, in the structure of our society, its size,

01:07:10.020 really.

01:07:11.340 I was watching a, what was that, 1912 or whatever that show is?

01:07:14.280 I don't know, 1917 or something.

01:07:15.940 And there's a scene where someone gets accused of pickpocketing, pickpocketing.

01:07:19.780 So they just grab the guy and string him up and kill him on the spot.

01:07:23.240 That's how it used to be back in the day.

01:07:25.160 Probably not though, actually.

01:07:26.880 Like, I think there's, there's like an image people have of the past and it's very mediated

01:07:31.020 by like the media, as it were.

01:07:33.900 And it can give you a mistaken impression of how it generally worked.

01:07:37.820 Like we did in fact have a criminal justice system in 1912.

01:07:40.700 Someone might get lynched in a rushed way and that was bad.

01:07:43.820 And that's why we would have campaigns against lynching.

01:07:46.100 But like the criminal justice system, there's a big difference between even 45 days and immediately.

01:07:51.800 Think about the structure of evidence back in the day.

01:07:54.620 You're not, you had no forensics.

01:07:55.720 It was just, did someone see it happen or not?

01:07:57.840 And do we trust the person and people could lie or otherwise?

01:08:00.520 It's actually, well, in the case of, of the, the McKinley's assassin, this was done, I

01:08:07.840 believe it was the World Expo in Buffalo.

01:08:09.900 So it means he was in front of, you know, he was a receiving line and he walked up with

01:08:13.680 a gun.

01:08:14.280 So for this community that all watched it happen, it was real easy to just.

01:08:18.280 And also like Lee Harvey Oswald, they, they got him within day, a day or something of Kennedy's

01:08:22.840 and then Jack Ruby, the guy that killed him got killed even right after that.

01:08:25.720 Like who knows?

01:08:26.500 Maybe they were covering trails.

01:08:27.720 Jack Ruby killed Oswald and then got killed.

01:08:30.840 He died of cancer.

01:08:31.740 No, no, no, no, no.

01:08:32.940 He died of cancer.

01:08:33.560 And we know the CIA has a, has a cancer gun, I think was revealed in the church.

01:08:36.980 Okay.

01:08:37.260 Well, to use a recent example, like Dylan Roof, I think America would have less racial trauma,

01:08:43.980 less political trauma in it.

01:08:45.140 If Dylan Roof, instead of sitting on death row to this day, occasionally writing letters

01:08:50.080 to people and stuff that come out and like cause discord, like what if Dylan Roof had just

01:08:53.860 been executed eight months after that shooting in Charleston?

01:08:56.620 I think that would have made America a lot better place.

01:08:59.040 The issue I have is that I think conservatives typically come from a world, a worldview that

01:09:06.260 we are in a country that is a community.

01:09:09.940 When I think what we saw, you know, three weeks ago shows that we are not, that there

01:09:14.120 are people who do not live in the same country as we do, despite occupying similar land.

01:09:18.120 And I do not want to give these power, these people the power to execute who they see fit.

01:09:22.180 I don't think Kamala Harris having the right to execute people is a good idea by any stretch. 1.00

01:09:26.420 So if the argument, if she were elected president, she wouldn't have the ability to do that.

01:09:32.340 She would under the current law.

01:09:33.700 Yes.

01:09:34.180 So my point is, once again, if everyone in the country held the moral worldview of Charlie

01:09:38.980 Kirk, we don't even need the laws.

01:09:41.340 We don't even need police in the country.

01:09:43.460 We have now the argument for the creation of a mechanization of the state to kill means 0.97

01:09:50.040 that you've got all the Soros DAs going like, let's start killing people.

01:09:53.680 That's the challenge I have with it. 0.86

01:09:55.660 Well, but I mean that, you know, I think, I believe New York state still has death penalty.

01:09:59.780 No, I don't believe so.

01:10:00.540 Oh, no.

01:10:00.820 Okay.

01:10:01.120 Well, then I know California does.

01:10:02.560 Yeah.

01:10:03.040 Though effective moratorium.

01:10:04.380 But that's my point.

01:10:05.020 My point is that in these areas where you have Soros DAs or, you know, Soros control over

01:10:10.960 huge swaths of territory, these are the very same policies where they're not doing that.

01:10:15.820 The reason I brought up Oswald is because I feel like they hushed it up.

01:10:18.400 They didn't want, like this guy that's sitting in prison right now that killed Charlie, that

01:10:21.260 what he was allegedly, the evidence seems to point to, he might come out and tell us

01:10:25.920 something that was like, what?

01:10:28.100 And have evidence.

01:10:29.700 Like, well, he'll get a trial.

01:10:31.200 He will get a fair trial if he has mitigating factors, if he was, you know, if there is

01:10:38.280 something else that we don't know about yet, he will have the opportunity to present that.

01:10:42.180 I have a theory for you guys.

01:10:43.000 This guy is a patsy who worked with leftists.

01:10:48.420 There was, there was, there's a, appears to be evidence of coordination.

01:10:52.040 Now, I'm not going to say that this is something I truly believe, just a thought.

01:10:56.240 What happens if the evidence comes out that that communication between him and his furry

01:11:02.360 boyfriend seems very scripted?

01:11:04.720 And this has caused a lot of people to start pushing conspiracy theories.

01:11:08.320 Matt Walsh, I think, had the best point in that it looks like he wrote this to create

01:11:12.440 reasonable doubt so that it could be used as exculpatory evidence for the boyfriend who

01:11:17.660 was actually involved.

01:11:19.100 What happens if in three months the boyfriend's like, oh, by the way, here's the proof I didn't

01:11:23.100 do it.

01:11:23.800 I, I did this so that the real killers could escape.

01:11:27.400 You know, it's all, the, the text messages were to prevent.

01:11:33.240 So Matt Walsh's theory, I agree with him on this, but I want to give him credit for it.

01:11:37.400 The messages that came out from the FBI between the alleged assassin and the boyfriend.

01:11:41.840 Yeah.

01:11:42.400 Have no typos and are written like theater kids, like it's a script.

01:11:46.840 And liberals have come out saying this proves the FBI faked it, like the conspiracy theorists.

01:11:51.520 Then there's just general conspiracy theories that that's not real.

01:11:54.500 The FBI faked it.

01:11:55.460 I don't think that's the case at all, especially knowing cash.

01:11:58.540 Matt Walsh said.

01:11:59.140 What likely happened is the assassin wrote this fake set of messages to the boyfriend

01:12:05.120 so that in the event of a criminal trial where they bring charges against the boyfriend who

01:12:08.940 coordinated and helped the assassination, they're going to show these messages to the

01:12:12.640 jury and say, reasonable doubt.

01:12:14.680 The messages show the boyfriend had nothing to do with it.

01:12:17.840 You're saying that the boyfriend himself was on trial.

01:12:19.920 Yeah.

01:12:20.140 So the idea being.

01:12:21.140 No, no, no.

01:12:21.420 I get that.

01:12:21.820 Okay.

01:12:21.980 I'm just, I'm just being clear.

01:12:22.800 There appears to be evidence of coordination.

01:12:24.720 No, no, no, no, no.

01:12:25.420 I get what you're saying.

01:12:26.260 I'm just making sure I'm following the, the, the theory you're presenting because, you

01:12:30.360 know, I've, I've seen as well that, um, and if you read some of the daily mail reporting

01:12:34.380 that's gone out on this, you know, these ideas that actually they were saying that it was

01:12:38.540 the boyfriend who was, was more antisocial, uh, that he was, you know, people referring

01:12:43.380 to him.

01:12:43.780 And again, this is just based on their reporting.

01:12:45.620 I don't have any direct, uh, knowledge of this.

01:12:48.500 So, you know, they could be wrong.

01:12:49.760 Right.

01:12:50.080 And, and that in fact, he was far more political than, uh, Tyler Robinson had been.

01:12:57.580 And in fact, people were saying that he, it was them living together as roommates that

01:13:03.120 really kind of corrupted Robinson.

01:13:05.320 And so there's questions of, you know, did he pull him into this group and do all this?

01:13:10.660 Now, by the way, though, none of that, none of that changes the fact of who was on the,

01:13:16.260 on the roof and who pulled the trigger.

01:13:18.120 None of that changes that.

01:13:19.220 Now, again, by assuming that all the evidence is true, et cetera, et cetera.

01:13:22.960 And also, here's, here's, here's, there's another theory that the boyfriend's actually

01:13:26.360 the, the, the assassin, uh, wearing a disguise.

01:13:29.520 They're both of similar height, gait, build appearance.

01:13:32.740 There is a theory that the boyfriend is actually the one who did it.

01:13:36.000 And then, uh, the, the, the challenge.

01:13:38.680 So here's what I think.

01:13:39.400 I think largely it was a coordinated group of leftists.

01:13:42.120 That's that, that explains the discord chats.

01:13:44.300 It explains the foreknowledge that was presented.

01:13:46.360 It explains the weird nature of this message.

01:13:50.040 And they didn't catch the guy until well after 30, 33 hours or something.

01:13:55.220 Right.

01:13:55.500 And so again, I don't know, but one of the theories we've seen the photo of the dude in the,

01:14:00.460 in the, in the, um, the dairy queen, there's a lot of really kooky conspiracy theories about

01:14:05.700 palm guns and trap doors and exactly.

01:14:08.500 However, what if the real shooter is the roommate, the script, the messages were scripted to create

01:14:15.500 exculpatory, a fake exculpatory evidence.

01:14:17.780 And this is, they coordinate.

01:14:20.240 Then he's an accessory.

01:14:21.480 Fry him.

01:14:21.900 He's still an accessory.

01:14:22.800 But either way, though.

01:14:23.680 An accessory to murder is full murder.

01:14:25.840 Definitely.

01:14:26.060 So another question.

01:14:27.060 I'm saying if there's a coordinated network, we've got a very, very serious problem.

01:14:31.340 And I believe that's.

01:14:32.220 Well, and obviously, and by the way, you know, you'd still,

01:14:35.460 of course, need to, you'd need to present that in court.

01:14:38.460 You need to present evidence of, all right, you know, are there, are there fingerprints?

01:14:43.120 Are there, you know, who had access to the gun?

01:14:44.900 And by the way, the, the, you know, Tyler Robinson, the fact that it was, again, his father's

01:14:49.800 gun, you know, originally the grandfather's, but, you know, the father in control of it,

01:14:53.460 um, that, uh, you know, there's, there's the fact that, you know, you, you have to say,

01:14:58.600 okay, was the boyfriend physically, you know, cause there was about three, what, three

01:15:02.380 hours away, you know, so was he physically anywhere present?

01:15:05.460 Can we, can we prove that?

01:15:07.220 You got to prove it.

01:15:07.980 That's all I'm saying.

01:15:08.680 They had, uh, a bunch of vehicles came to their house in the, uh, was it in the week

01:15:13.060 prior?

01:15:14.280 Cash is investigating that.

01:15:15.360 He's investigating the discord servers.

01:15:17.020 They're invest.

01:15:17.700 And he's publicly stated this.

01:15:18.960 It's not a conspiracy.

01:15:20.160 He's investigating these people who allegedly, who appeared to have foreknowledge.

01:15:23.760 And thank God he is.

01:15:24.580 I agreed.

01:15:25.000 Agreed.

01:15:25.700 Uh, so it's fascinating when the conspiracy theories come out, I'm like, guys, there is

01:15:30.260 a conspiracy.

01:15:31.120 It appears, you know, what cash is literally telling you, he's tracking all of these things.

01:15:35.140 I think we're going to find that there's more leftists involved in this.

01:15:37.460 It was, it was right.

01:15:38.300 Why did you tweet this?

01:15:39.520 What did you know?

01:15:40.320 And, and, and let's, and let's be frank, by the way.

01:15:42.240 So I saw there were some discords that came out that, that, uh, an account that has been

01:15:46.820 associated with Tyler Robinson, what, but it was more of like a gamer chat.

01:15:50.260 But think about the people who use discord, all right, are you really just in one room?

01:15:56.080 Yeah, no, it's like there, it's in several, you can have several accounts.

01:15:59.000 I've never heard of one person just in one room.

01:16:01.260 I've never heard of that.

01:16:01.960 Yeah.

01:16:02.140 So it's like, you're, they're like, oh, well this discord was apolitical.

01:16:04.900 Yeah.

01:16:05.020 Because it was the apolitical, like guys in my high school who play halo chat.

01:16:08.240 Yeah, exactly. 0.95

01:16:08.660 And then you can also just join the, I am a, you know, I'm transgender lunatic on, you 0.98

01:16:13.900 know, doing terrorism. 0.99

01:16:14.680 And then, and then where's the, so where's the furry chat and where's the furry porn? 0.85

01:16:20.900 Extreme furry porn chat that this guy was looking at, which included, by the way, depictions 0.60

01:16:25.580 of like children or what they call cub porn in, in furry parlance, which is a term that

01:16:33.480 I have to know now. 1.00

01:16:34.640 And if you have been on discord, you will know transgender people are lunatics. 1.00

01:16:38.860 Like they're just, they're, they're extremists and they take over things. 1.00

01:16:42.380 So you can join some group that's related to something totally different.

01:16:46.460 Some game series, some hobby, but like the moderator will take it over and there'll be,

01:16:51.260 you know, some sort of furry or transgender thing. 0.89

01:16:53.200 And then now the logo of your group has a permanent pride flag in the background.

01:16:57.500 A very funny example of this is like the, the NFL subreddit on Reddit, like has permanent,

01:17:03.180 like, you know, the full trans pride flag is like still, still waving on it right now

01:17:08.400 in their center icon.

01:17:09.620 Is that true?

01:17:10.140 I'm looking at, I'm going to, I'm looking at it right now.

01:17:12.380 On a Reddit, which one?

01:17:15.600 The NFL subreddit.

01:17:18.040 I have a, I'll ask another question.

01:17:19.260 I mean, I don't, I don't disbelieve you, but I've just, I have to see this.

01:17:23.360 A lot, while you guys are pulling up, just jump in.

01:17:24.720 Where on the NFL subreddit?

01:17:26.160 It's, it's the main NFL subreddit.

01:17:27.640 You got to use the old form rather than the new form, which is what everyone prefers anyway.

01:17:31.420 I see.

01:17:31.560 What do you mean the old form?

01:17:31.980 Look at it.

01:17:37.060 It's right there.

01:17:37.740 It's just Isaac Newton's prism light.

01:17:39.920 And then, if you want to, if you want to, I have it pulled up actually.

01:17:43.060 And there you go.

01:17:43.700 It's, it's like games that are like on right now that they're, that they're referring to.

01:17:48.920 Yep.

01:17:49.200 Right here.

01:17:49.880 Yeah.

01:17:50.140 I think any ideology that takes over a system is probably right there, right there in the

01:17:55.200 middle of it.

01:17:55.860 The, you got the, all the colors you have.

01:17:58.200 And then it's right in the first top and the top thread there is Thursday night football.

01:18:02.100 Oh, who, why, why, why, why are people watching football, man?

01:18:05.080 Watch baseball.

01:18:05.540 Dudes are ramming into each other.

01:18:06.960 I feel much better, but baseball's better.

01:18:08.680 So the furries like it.

01:18:10.540 So baseball is better.

01:18:11.520 Like when the Phillies defeat the Dodgers on Saturday.

01:18:14.240 Baseball is like playing, it's like pool.

01:18:16.020 No wonder you like it.

01:18:16.780 It's more like accuracy.

01:18:18.260 I believe the Cubs did win actually.

01:18:19.880 I just saw that.

01:18:20.740 And then shout out to the Cubs, by the way, because that was, that was Charlie's team.

01:18:24.120 Moral question about executions.

01:18:25.720 I'm a Sox guy from the South side, but you know, when you, when you leave Chicago, it's

01:18:29.840 like the Cubs are your brother.

01:18:31.180 So you can rag on them when you're in town, but when you're out of town, they're your team.

01:18:35.000 No Cubs.

01:18:35.380 That tracks.

01:18:35.680 So with capital punishment, um, some people were like, or at least across my mind, public

01:18:40.800 executions.

01:18:41.420 We've kind of gotten rid of them in society because they, maybe they do more harm than

01:18:44.720 good.

01:18:45.000 And I, at first I was like, does this guy deserve to be lit up in front of groups?

01:18:49.180 But my concern would be that the video would be taken of it.

01:18:52.300 And then that would replicate a hundred million times online for little kids would see it and

01:18:56.320 they'd go even crazier and it would do like public execution.

01:19:00.160 So this is actually, it's funny.

01:19:01.580 I'm looking at Blake because this thing that you're talking about is one of the things that

01:19:07.160 people have been using to smear Charlie about that.

01:19:09.880 He said on this program, I don't remember the date, but we were debating.

01:19:14.400 We were having this debate.

01:19:16.440 And then on top of that, we also brought up, I brought up what I've argued before.

01:19:20.460 I was like, well, yeah, the death penalty is not a very good deterrent now because it's

01:19:23.940 a thing that has done a handful of times because it's 30 years after the fact.

01:19:28.320 It's not immediate.

01:19:28.900 And I said, if you're going to do it properly, like it should be swift.

01:19:31.820 It should be pretty consistently applied for certain crimes.

01:19:34.800 So it's like, if you do assassination, if you do multiple murders, like you will barring

01:19:40.520 extreme mitigating circumstances, get the death penalty.

01:19:43.160 And then one of the things I argued is it should arguably be done like in public in some

01:19:47.400 way.

01:19:48.160 Like people should be able to see justice being done.

01:19:51.160 And Blake, what did you say?

01:19:52.380 And then I suggested.

01:19:53.160 What did you say?

01:19:54.060 So Charlie says, I think it should.

01:19:56.900 And then Charlie had said televised, right?

01:19:59.700 Yeah.

01:20:00.000 Yeah.

01:20:00.340 He was like, they should televise it.

01:20:02.200 And then, and then Blake added, and then he threw out, he's like, and what age, like

01:20:06.180 should we have people watch it?

01:20:07.360 And I, and I threw out, I was like, maybe 12 to explain my thinking is we have people

01:20:13.780 in like DC, for example, where if you have, you heard about the carjackings going on in

01:20:17.800 DC all the time, horrific, the people who do this are heavily minors, because if you

01:20:21.800 are 20 years old and carjacks someone, you trigger like the federal carjacking offense

01:20:25.620 and you see this, but if you're a minor, you know, a 13 year old is involved in a shooting

01:20:31.320 you're 13 in carjacking, 13 is this.

01:20:32.920 You guys are, you guys are wrong.

01:20:35.200 You're wrong.

01:20:36.380 Go deep.

01:20:38.220 14 year olds are doing carjackings?

01:20:40.480 No, no, no.

01:20:41.020 Let me tell you.

01:20:42.180 I can't speak for the rest of the country.

01:20:43.740 I can tell you in Chicago, the urban violence that we have would not be solved or mitigated

01:20:48.040 in any way by public executions or death penalty.

01:20:50.100 I know what you're going to say.

01:20:51.020 You, you do, because I've talked about it before and you're going to agree with me.

01:20:54.920 Maybe he won't.

01:20:55.820 No, no, no, no.

01:20:56.860 You might.

01:20:57.220 So, uh, where I grew up, these, a lot of the shootings you get in Chicago are about

01:21:02.780 dishonor.

01:21:03.720 So I actually, I went night crawling with a journalist once and we, I was like five corpses.

01:21:08.100 They were, uh, one house was an old lady who got shot because three dudes pulled up and 0.72

01:21:12.000 unloaded switches, spread to the house.

01:21:14.420 They were looking for a dude who went on Snapchat and called the guy's girlfriend nasty or ratchet

01:21:18.300 or something.

01:21:20.300 Death penalty doesn't scare these guys because they just, they, they, they want to go hard.

01:21:26.000 If you take these urban criminals and the penalty is they have to put on a diaper and a baby 0.99

01:21:32.820 bonnet with a pacifier and hop like a bunny down Roosevelt Avenue, literally straight down

01:21:38.720 it for like 12 miles while everyone lines up and films it.

01:21:42.040 And they have to say, I'm a big baby boo boo over and over again.

01:21:45.300 They'd stop committing crimes overnight.

01:21:46.940 And I'm not exact. 0.95

01:21:47.660 I know it's a silly thought and it's meant to be kind of silly.

01:21:50.280 My point is if you tell them that you will dishonor them for life, they will hide from you

01:21:54.940 and they will run in fear and they'll do everything they can to avoid.

01:21:57.620 So you're saying public humiliation.

01:21:59.580 I'm totally for that, by the way.

01:22:01.260 My general, I've often advocated like, you know, I'll joke, this is less of a serious

01:22:05.800 thing, but I've pointed out it could work because the left always says abolish prisons.

01:22:09.260 Right.

01:22:09.560 And I'm like, you could abolish prison, like a lot of prisons.

01:22:12.220 If you basically just had a situation where you replaced prison, where on the low end,

01:22:17.420 severe public humiliation.

01:22:18.840 Yes.

01:22:19.040 So your first defense will like flog you in public or make you wear a diaper or do all

01:22:22.800 of that baby stuff.

01:22:23.320 The flogging, I say, bro, that makes them harder.

01:22:25.860 No, but for real. 1.00

01:22:26.360 Flogging, getting flogged like on your butt, on your bare butt is pretty humiliating. 0.99

01:22:30.120 These guys are going to, to a certain degree, but getting beaten, anything that makes them 1.00

01:22:35.600 hard, they like.

01:22:37.260 But the thing is, is like, they don't say, I don't want to go to jail.

01:22:40.120 They say, when, I'm not kidding.

01:22:41.420 On the South side, they say, when I go to jail, I will do this.

01:22:44.880 When I go to jail, I will do that.

01:22:46.160 If this happens to me, I will do that.

01:22:48.040 They brag about how they might get the death penalty.

01:22:49.860 The reason you don't brag when you get flogged is if you're getting flogged properly, you

01:22:53.960 start screaming really loudly while it happens because it's extremely painful.

01:22:58.180 I know you're saying that, dude, but these guys shoot each other for less.

01:23:01.700 They know they will get shot for less in public.

01:23:05.040 They don't care.

01:23:06.500 Well, Blake was talking about a spectrum.

01:23:09.360 So let's, let's.

01:23:09.880 Yeah.

01:23:10.040 So I was saying a spectrum, which is, yeah, at the low end, you could humiliate someone in

01:23:14.020 various ways.

01:23:14.480 And I do think flogging would actually be pretty humiliating. 0.95

01:23:17.420 And then the higher end would be things like, oh, we're going to chemically castrate you 0.98

01:23:21.800 because you are a habitual offender. 0.98

01:23:23.580 That could be, or, you know, literally castrate them.

01:23:26.120 Either option. 0.98

01:23:26.960 And then at the high end, death penalty.

01:23:28.760 And then you would basically be able to get rid of vast majority of prisons if you had

01:23:32.280 that level of escalation.

01:23:34.380 Well, you know, maybe Chicago, we should just.

01:23:36.740 I can't speak for Baltimore.

01:23:37.680 Build a wall around it and not let anyone leave.

01:23:39.880 So if you, if you, if you, if you go to Chicago, you in, in these neighborhoods, you get the 0.98

01:23:47.120 death penalty for saying F you.

01:23:49.020 These guys do not fear being killed. 0.99

01:23:50.960 They're listless, purposeless, and they are killed for much less than the crimes you're

01:23:54.540 describing.

01:23:55.260 They will, they will like watch the Nick Shirley's got a great video where he goes to a gang

01:24:00.120 territory.

01:24:00.600 They all carry around guns and they're like, you'll die for being in the wrong neighborhood.

01:24:04.160 The death penalty for crossing the wrong street, the flogging, I'll tell you this agreed, but 0.98

01:24:10.460 it's got to be a guy, um, it's got to be a middle-class white dad looking guy. 0.75

01:24:15.580 And he's got to be delivering the flogging with a guy bent over his lap while he wears

01:24:19.320 a baby bonnet and a diaper.

01:24:20.860 Here's another, here's another thing.

01:24:22.180 Beautiful.

01:24:22.500 That's going to be very, very offensive, but I guarantee you we'll make these guys avoid

01:24:25.360 doing crime.

01:24:27.400 Two guys who are accused of committing violent crime have to kiss each other in public.

01:24:31.520 Oh, these dudes.

01:24:33.060 Thugging love.

01:24:34.200 Thugging.

01:24:35.240 Thugging.

01:24:36.260 Can we get that video?

01:24:37.160 Is there too much swearing in that video?

01:24:38.540 You've been thugging.

01:24:39.080 You've been thugging.

01:24:39.100 We should show, uh, there's a, I don't know, we're going to play a doc.

01:24:42.400 Because we're on YouTube right now.

01:24:43.800 Oh, yeah.

01:24:44.220 We're on YouTube.

01:24:45.260 I don't know if you can play that.

01:24:46.100 Two gangbangers who are accused of serious violent crimes, and you said, we're going to

01:24:49.100 put you on stage at Grant Park, and you're going to kiss.

01:24:52.280 They'd be like, I'm going to Canada.

01:24:53.660 I'm going to Mexico.

01:24:54.000 I'm gone.

01:24:54.800 It's like, it's like, I'm booting and thugging or something.

01:24:57.400 Oh, I can't remember.

01:24:58.420 I'm half kidding about the kissing thing.

01:25:00.180 The hopping down Roosevelt wearing a diaper and a baby bonnet with a pacifier, guaranteed 0.99

01:25:04.180 it would work.

01:25:05.160 Stockades.

01:25:05.820 With this situation with Charlie's death, I felt like the best, the best, like, defense

01:25:11.100 of it ever happening, something that's ever happening again, was that it was, the movement

01:25:14.580 was impervious.

01:25:15.340 It's impervious now.

01:25:16.080 It's quirking and thugging.

01:25:17.520 The movement, it wasn't derailed by Charlie's death.

01:25:21.100 It's still moving, if not even stronger than before, so obviously, Charlie's loss is, like,

01:25:27.720 I mean, incalculable.

01:25:29.200 I have a question for you.

01:25:30.380 I'll finish your thoughts, sorry.

01:25:31.160 Oh, that if we break down into violence and start attacking in response, that that's the

01:25:35.800 response they want.

01:25:36.740 I heard you guys talking about rules for radicals earlier.

01:25:39.180 I have a question.

01:25:41.480 What do you think is more cruel?

01:25:43.660 You know, we say no cruel and unusual punishment.

01:25:45.680 What is more cruel, putting someone in prison for 20 years or putting them in prison for

01:25:53.800 two years, but while they're in prison, it's a glass front everyone can watch, and they

01:26:00.880 have to wear a baby bonnet and a diaper the whole time they're in prison, which is more

01:26:04.800 cruel.

01:26:05.240 20 years in prison, and you guys can answer this too, or two years with a glass front, everyone

01:26:09.380 can walk by.

01:26:10.220 It's in the middle of downtown Chicago.

01:26:11.520 People walk by.

01:26:12.240 They can point, and you got to drink like a baby.

01:26:13.200 What if we contracted with Mr. Beast, and he let Beast contestants torment the prisoner

01:26:19.280 in various ways?

01:26:20.620 Like, so-and-so donated $10,000, you don't get a toilet for the next three weeks.

01:26:24.900 Only if Mr. Beast has to go first.

01:26:27.860 Actually, what do you think?

01:26:32.800 What's more cruel?

01:26:33.760 All of it.

01:26:34.080 If the guy had a 20-year sentence legitimately, it would be humiliating seeing them through the

01:26:39.040 glass.

01:26:39.540 Like, if it was two different dudes.

01:26:40.720 So I'm saying, there's one guy.

01:26:41.960 But you're taking 20 years of his life.

01:26:43.640 The court says you can go to prison for 20 years.

01:26:45.400 If they put him in the hole, that's more cruel than usual than looking through glass.

01:26:47.620 20 years in a supermax prison, or two years, but you're going to be in public, and you've

01:26:52.580 got to dress like a baby.

01:26:54.020 Which is more cruel?

01:26:55.020 Probably 20 years.

01:26:56.480 Probably 20 years.

01:26:57.020 I feel like we'd be at serious risk that they would just embrace the baby aesthetic.

01:27:01.260 Like, we would have a gang called The Babies.

01:27:03.040 The Babies.

01:27:03.220 The Babies.

01:27:03.600 The Babies gang.

01:27:04.000 They would all wear diapers in public all the time.

01:27:05.720 Torture just doesn't work.

01:27:07.080 It's not torture.

01:27:08.000 I'm just going to say, urban culture is pretty good at making things cool.

01:27:11.980 Torture existed for probably all of human history until, like, 80 years ago or something.

01:27:18.060 Actually, this is really important for you guys.

01:27:19.300 The Chicago gangs are all Catholics. 0.99

01:27:21.480 What?

01:27:22.120 The popes.

01:27:22.960 The disciples.

01:27:24.500 I'm not kidding.

01:27:26.120 What are they?

01:27:26.740 Yeah, he's right.

01:27:27.560 Yeah, they tend to have Catholic names.

01:27:29.440 Is there an accolades or something?

01:27:30.640 Yeah, yeah.

01:27:31.560 Maybe.

01:27:32.120 Something switched, and this is a little bit.

01:27:33.440 There's a bunch of different popes, too.

01:27:34.640 I'm zooming out.

01:27:35.920 Once we developed television, and we were able to record our own behavior and see how some

01:27:40.340 of the stuff, like beating women on...

01:27:41.520 It used to be cool on, like, a movie. 0.76

01:27:42.980 Sean Conner would smack a girl. 0.97

01:27:44.740 And then we were like, hold on.

01:27:45.940 Maybe now that we can see it from a distance, we realize this aspect of our humanity has got to change.

01:27:49.780 Just the culture in general is like, stop hitting women on TV. 0.99

01:27:53.200 And torture is another thing.

01:27:55.220 Torture, now that we can see the repercussions of it, like, we've kind of pulled back on torture

01:27:59.820 with the Geneva Convention, industrial torture.

01:28:02.860 Striking women on TV is now comedy. 1.00

01:28:05.100 I'm not kidding.

01:28:06.240 Family Guy does it all the time.

01:28:07.900 In comedy, you can pull it off, but, like, you know, aggressive, like, you're less than me.

01:28:12.620 That energy is kind of like, let's not do that anymore.

01:28:15.260 Like, they have a whole bit of Liam Neeson, like, beating some woman.

01:28:18.560 Racism's kind of starting to vanish since the 50s and 60s, since television.

01:28:22.100 Not since DEI and wokeness emerged.

01:28:23.800 But it started to change.

01:28:25.140 Really, like, the whole world started to change when we saw ourselves from a distance.

01:28:29.980 Who did?

01:28:31.500 Just the way we behaved.

01:28:32.700 You mean, like, when Buzz Aldrin looked at the earth and was like, ah!

01:28:35.060 That, too?

01:28:35.720 We saw the earth from a distance?

01:28:37.180 You're saying that television, because it's so much more persuasive than print, especially on a mass scale,

01:28:47.060 and even more so than radio because it's visual, that the advent of television and the mass spread of television

01:28:53.340 from a commercial level and a personal level, particularly in the 1950s,

01:28:58.020 and that it may have led a sort of seeded the ground for the counterculture of the 1960s

01:29:06.040 and the cultural revolution that we saw in the United States.

01:29:08.280 And in China, probably.

01:29:09.480 Mao's cultural revolution kind of coincided with particularly radio.

01:29:13.420 There's not a lot of video of that.

01:29:14.420 Radio, yes.

01:29:15.040 Radio, because that was, like, the first step is all audio recording, just records in general.

01:29:19.300 And then Hitler used it, obviously, to mass form an entire society for whatever purpose he had. 0.90

01:29:25.660 And then, by the way, I am told to say happy birthday to Chris.

01:29:32.380 So it's Chris's birthday out there.

01:29:35.160 He's a big fan.

01:29:35.980 He's a big fan.

01:29:36.520 And I just want to say, hey, Chris, happy birthday.

01:29:41.240 Feliz Navidad.

01:29:42.460 Happy birthday, Chris.

01:29:43.220 The reason I brought up is because if you could, this is such a horrible thing to say out loud,

01:29:46.480 torture someone in a deepfake, so they don't have to actually get tortured,

01:29:50.240 but you get to watch them suffer, but you think it's real because it's a deepfake,

01:29:53.660 would that be effective, humiliation?

01:29:55.880 What if we could put people in a Neuralink where it would simulate being in prison for 20 years,

01:30:02.360 but it only took 20 minutes?

01:30:04.440 That's coming.

01:30:05.000 Wouldn't people use that to just, like, also fake live a long time or something?

01:30:08.760 It's a movie.

01:30:09.160 There's a movie about this.

01:30:10.020 I was going to say, isn't that a...

01:30:11.300 They take eye drops with nanites in them that hit their memories,

01:30:14.420 and then they instantly get a memory of, like, skiing in Aspen or something.

01:30:18.280 Whoa.

01:30:18.640 And so there's, like, a woman and a guy...

01:30:21.380 There's Total Recall as well.

01:30:23.280 Yeah.

01:30:23.760 Yeah, the old Arnold Schwarzenegger, like, I'm going to take a vacation to Mars.

01:30:27.860 So there's, like, a guy, and he says, we can sell this to prisons,

01:30:31.380 and then we can do 20-year prison sentences overnight,

01:30:33.420 and then the woman who works with them, she's like, this is supposed to be for entertainment, 0.95

01:30:36.220 and then she, like, they get into a fight,

01:30:38.520 and then she makes them go to prison for 100 years or something, 0.75

01:30:40.560 and he's like, ah, and then a minute later comes back, and he's insane or something.

01:30:43.260 I would do the opposite, too, where you put someone...

01:30:45.860 They lived their life 20 years ago by, but they only remember, like, 10 seconds of it.

01:30:49.340 How about this? How about this? Serious.

01:30:51.300 What if we could use a neural link and rewrite their brain,

01:30:55.740 and it would keep their memories and their personality,

01:30:58.580 but eliminate the ability to commit crime?

01:31:01.140 Like, literally, any time they would commit any kind of crime,

01:31:05.760 they would get physically sick and feel, like, scared.

01:31:08.720 You know, there was this old 90s show called Babylon 5, I believe.

01:31:12.680 I remember that. Scott Adams is on that one.

01:31:14.020 They had an episode where, like, instead of the death penalty,

01:31:17.340 they would do death of personality, basically.

01:31:19.740 Wow.

01:31:20.160 And they would kind of do a version of that,

01:31:21.680 except they would also basically rewrite your personality.

01:31:24.240 So, like, you would come back as, like, essentially a pro-social, better person.

01:31:27.820 I mean, this was the theory behind lobotomization.

01:31:31.700 Yeah.

01:31:32.520 Originally, that, you know, if we remove certain parts of the brain

01:31:35.120 that target aggression or, you know, whatever the variety is,

01:31:39.060 I would say it depends on the cause.

01:31:42.620 Let's say you've got somebody who, let's say there's, like, a brutal murder,

01:31:47.020 and it's, like, death penalty warranted.

01:31:49.340 And the courts are like, we can give him the death penalty, 0.91

01:31:51.880 or we can rewrite his brain so that he no longer has the ability to be violent 0.70

01:31:56.420 or do any of these things.

01:31:58.040 He'll still go to prison for a certain amount of time, like 20 years,

01:32:00.180 but, you know, would you prefer that over the death penalty?

01:32:04.980 20 years in prison and a rewriting of their brain

01:32:07.020 so they can never commit a murder again.

01:32:08.540 No.

01:32:09.520 Fry him.

01:32:11.460 I think that it's really going to start happening.

01:32:13.780 With Palantir and NeuralNet, the ability to,

01:32:17.280 and graphene sensors, like, super sensitive sensors

01:32:19.780 where you can actually record brain waves

01:32:21.820 and understand and reverse engineer thought patterns and stuff,

01:32:25.080 that we will have the opportunity to blank people's brains,

01:32:27.740 aspects of it, without injecting it.

01:32:29.380 But then what happens when that system gets hacked?

01:32:32.000 That's the problem, man.

01:32:33.520 That's the problem.

01:32:33.940 So I want to read some super chats.

01:32:35.580 Yeah, I think we probably have some stuff, too.

01:32:37.340 I got one from A. Barnes.

01:32:38.580 He says, nameless and faceless round two.

01:32:41.140 Who can name three leaders of Antifa?

01:32:42.780 Who can name three leaders of Antifa?

01:32:44.100 He says it over and over again because he thinks it's a gotcha.

01:32:47.420 I'll say this.

01:32:48.160 For legal reasons, I will simply direct you to Nate Friedman on Instagram,

01:32:53.880 Nate Friedman underscore, and just watch his videos.

01:32:58.360 So I can probably name 12 or more.

01:33:04.100 Yeah, I'm just going, I'm going through.

01:33:05.440 I'm like, okay, so DT Antifa has this one, this one, this one, this one.

01:33:08.860 And people who have been charged, by the way, for various things.

01:33:15.240 The person who assaulted me in Lincoln Square Park when there's that picture of us.

01:33:22.780 I'm going to put it like this.

01:33:23.480 Considering Trump has named them a terrorist organization,

01:33:26.820 there's a whole legal minefield in starting to name people who we know are organizing these things

01:33:31.900 and are working with funding.

01:33:33.520 And I'm actually friends with a lot of them on Facebook, actually,

01:33:36.880 because I know them from Zoccupy.

01:33:38.360 And I would just say Nate Friedman is doing a really good job of investigating a lot of these people.

01:33:42.580 All you got to do is look at his page, and he's got dossiers on these guys.

01:33:45.600 It's crazy.

01:33:46.360 And ladies. 0.96

01:33:47.040 The dude that I know on Facebook tends to type things like, pick up bricks.

01:33:50.400 I'm like, I feel like I should report it to the FBI.

01:33:52.840 And I'm like, then I think about the Nazis and how people would inform on them when there's a Jew. 0.90

01:33:56.520 And I'm like, I want nothing to do with this.

01:33:59.840 Just distance myself from this crazy, radical rhetoric.

01:34:04.260 You're right, Ian.

01:34:04.740 Those are the same thing.

01:34:05.980 Being a Jew who owns a store is the same thing as being a violent extremist 0.98

01:34:08.940 who wants people to go commit acts of terrorism. 0.62

01:34:10.500 Right, because pick up bricks.

01:34:11.980 We all know it doesn't.

01:34:13.680 It's called sarcasm.

01:34:14.460 He's not commanding someone to go throw it, but what else would you be holding a brick for?

01:34:18.360 No, I'm not playing this game.

01:34:19.740 Jack's not playing this game.

01:34:20.580 It's part of a puzzle of a command.

01:34:22.840 Tweedledee, Tweedledum, death threats, don't fly anymore.

01:34:25.860 Lock them all up.

01:34:27.160 If Tweedledee says, pick up a brick. 0.99

01:34:29.620 If Tweedledum says, fascists should hit with bricks. 0.98

01:34:33.100 And then Tweedledoo says, there's the fascist. 0.98

01:34:35.460 What if he tweeted out, hey, fascist catch? 0.80

01:34:38.920 Yeah.

01:34:39.620 It's sensitive to the time of that being on a bullet that was used.

01:34:43.100 Well, we are now in a post-Charlie Kirk world.

01:34:47.380 And in a post-Charlie Kirk world, I think a lot of those niceties that we used to play by, they just don't apply.

01:34:53.800 So what happens to people that witness things like pick up a brick and they don't say anything about it?

01:34:57.920 Are they now an accomplice? 0.98

01:34:58.820 They are cowards. 0.99

01:35:01.020 It is not a crime to not report a crime. 0.96

01:35:03.260 However, you should as a citizen of the United States, because you would want to know if someone was.

01:35:10.240 So let's say someone had decided to.

01:35:12.140 And I mean, look, let's let's be fair.

01:35:14.540 Obviously, this studio, this turning point has faced numerous threats.

01:35:19.780 You guys have been swatted and targeted so many times.

01:35:24.040 So I would absolutely pick up the phone and call Tim or call you and say, hey, guys, I saw this thing.

01:35:33.060 You might want to key into it.

01:35:34.860 And we and this happens.

01:35:36.240 And I've been in this is current.

01:35:38.760 I'm not going to get into specifics for security reasons, but I've currently been in contact directly with the FBI over what's going on.

01:35:46.080 That's how serious things are right now.

01:35:47.520 So my point is this. 0.96

01:35:49.220 If Tweedledee says someone should kill fascists and then Tweedledum points at Jack and goes, hey, look, 1.00

01:35:53.940 a fascist, lock them both up. 0.98

01:35:56.300 The point of what they're doing is they're trying to say as long as half of the phrase is from one person and half is from the other.

01:36:03.540 We haven't created an imminent threat against an individual.

01:36:05.800 I say, I don't care. 1.00

01:36:06.880 I'm not playing that stupid game. 1.00

01:36:07.800 We know exactly what you're doing and why you're doing it. 1.00

01:36:09.660 Blake, are you like what kind of level of I asked these guys this last night level of brutality?

01:36:14.800 Are you at this?

01:36:15.920 Because I know you were there with Charlie when he was killed.

01:36:17.880 Jack said, like three feet away or something, six feet away, 10, 10 feet away, three steps.

01:36:22.320 And I imagine that that changed your nervous system or something.

01:36:25.580 Did it?

01:36:27.160 I don't want to presume things.

01:36:30.840 When we got here, he was screaming and punching a pillow.

01:36:33.840 But it was a pillow that looked like Ian's.

01:36:35.560 There's like, I ask only, and I'll let you answer if you have, I'm thinking of the My Lai

01:36:39.720 massacre in Vietnam where the troops were basically broken by seeing their friends die and they

01:36:44.060 massacred a village of women and children.

01:36:45.800 And then they had to land it, a guy landed a helicopter, pointed at the guns at his own men 0.99

01:36:50.300 and was like, stop or I'm going to kill you all. 0.95

01:36:52.700 And it was, the captain got charged and then pardoned for it. 0.90

01:36:56.320 Are you in that state?

01:36:58.380 I don't want to talk too much about it.

01:37:00.320 Not the least because I've been told not to say too much about it as an eyewitness.

01:37:05.520 Like Blake could be called at the trial.

01:37:07.320 Yeah.

01:37:07.580 I'm not sure what I'd say besides what I saw, but I don't know.

01:37:17.880 I guess I just would prefer rather not to wallow in that.

01:37:21.640 No, I would say though that Blake, look, you've been here every day since.

01:37:26.280 I mean, you've been handling it and everyone here who was there, including we have staffers

01:37:32.400 here who went even beyond that and I just don't want to get into it right now, but you

01:37:39.600 know, it's, I, and I'll, and Ian, just to answer for Blake in a sense, you've never called

01:37:45.400 for anything other than a fair trial.

01:37:46.980 That's all he said.

01:37:48.080 And we were here live when they announced the charges and we had a very civil discussion

01:37:54.980 about how we want this person to have a fair trial.

01:37:57.760 And that's, that's what we want.

01:37:59.360 I was nasty in one way.

01:38:00.840 There was that fellow on the campus who, according to police, he like after the shot

01:38:06.420 happened, the older guy, the older guy who like kind of tried to take credit for it.

01:38:10.060 Now, which he later came out and said he was trying to be a decoy.

01:38:12.820 Exactly.

01:38:13.480 And according to reports, he's like a known campus nuisance.

01:38:17.160 Right.

01:38:17.280 Right.

01:38:17.460 He, in fact, I think they had a standing order to arrest him if he was seen, but he blended 1.00

01:38:21.040 in because there were so many people.

01:38:22.580 Yeah.

01:38:23.280 I would say I am so minded.

01:38:27.940 I would say like, why should that person not be charged as an after the fact accessory?

01:38:31.660 I don't understand why you're going to be charged.

01:38:33.020 I don't think it's nasty at all.

01:38:34.020 He was attempting to help a murderer escape.

01:38:35.600 He helped.

01:38:36.140 He helped a murderer escape.

01:38:37.100 Yeah.

01:38:37.760 I asked about the, like what level of brutality.

01:38:40.100 It's a section of justice.

01:38:41.380 It's way more than that.

01:38:42.720 It's an accomplice.

01:38:42.900 It's, I mean, it's so many things.

01:38:44.200 I feel like we're on the precipice of like some sort of brutal crackdown.

01:38:46.600 But again, that's not brutality.

01:38:48.080 That is justice.

01:38:48.940 I'm talking about justice.

01:38:49.740 Now government coming to use the boot of force on terror networks.

01:38:54.460 At least.

01:38:55.100 And in China, like we have the Tiananmen Square massacre that was incredibly brutal and then

01:38:58.980 silenced the radicals in China.

01:39:00.880 But they were terrorists, right?

01:39:01.540 According to the government, they were.

01:39:02.640 Indeed.

01:39:02.880 And then the Hong Kong riots where they were out there spraying water mixed with, you

01:39:08.120 know, pepper spray with blue ink so that they can burn these people's skin and then 0.95

01:39:11.560 track them down later.

01:39:12.700 It wasn't to burn their skin.

01:39:13.720 It's to track them down later.

01:39:14.260 And it burned their skin in the process with the pepper spray.

01:39:16.620 But what level of brutality would you be willing to accept to get this job done?

01:39:21.860 Do you go?

01:39:22.300 What job?

01:39:23.500 Quelling the chaos.

01:39:25.140 I know that's a vague term.

01:39:26.380 It's an ever problem with the Patriot Act and domestic terrorists.

01:39:29.620 Let me slow you down and try and explain something.

01:39:32.100 I don't think you know what's going on in the world, nor do you understand what it takes

01:39:36.200 to create a civil society.

01:39:39.780 And I'm not saying that derisively.

01:39:42.100 You're saying what degree of brutality are you willing to accept?

01:39:44.480 But apparently even the assassination of our friend has not changed our minds in escalating

01:39:49.700 force in any unlawful way.

01:39:51.780 So the point is, they have not only killed people we love and care about, they have killed

01:39:56.320 innocent bystanders.

01:39:57.280 They have shot people simply for driving their cars.

01:39:59.680 They have imprisoned the president.

01:40:01.080 They've arrested his lawyers.

01:40:02.860 They have committed such egregious violations of our moral worldview.

01:40:07.580 The degree of brutality, I think, let's just call it 100% brutality.

01:40:11.840 Because I think when you arrest Trump's lawyers unconscionally, raid his home, target his

01:40:16.540 family, when you arrest all of his business associates, falsely accuse him of rape, run

01:40:20.840 him through the courts, try and seize his property, falsely accuse him of fraud, target

01:40:24.760 his supporters, create a police force that goes nationwide, raids people's homes.

01:40:29.100 We're talking about the highest degree of brutality.

01:40:31.720 So the question is, what degree of brutality are you willing to accept?

01:40:34.460 Apparently all of it.

01:40:35.160 In return now, because like, worst case, I'm thinking, I'm picturing, oh, we're going

01:40:39.460 to get moving.

01:40:40.320 But to go, like if Antifa were to hole up in a building, they're leaders and they're

01:40:43.940 pointing their guns out and they're not letting guys in.

01:40:45.400 Guy try to kick the windows in, Navy SEALs, four troops get killed.

01:40:48.960 They're like, just blow up the building.

01:40:50.540 They got civilians in there. 0.83

01:40:51.460 Take out the building.

01:40:52.140 We don't care.

01:40:52.960 Jack, were you saying something?

01:40:54.240 No, I'm just saying that, you know, if we do want to get to some more chats.

01:40:57.240 Thank you guys for letting me spur us on time.

01:40:58.800 Let's read those before we lose time.

01:41:00.000 Yeah, we're getting close.

01:41:01.600 I think we're going to lose the studio and it's just, we started, we started a little

01:41:04.300 bit late, but you know, if there's any, there's any specific ones you wanted to get to or

01:41:08.740 I don't see any, uh, I might've missed some on ours cause I only started looking late.

01:41:12.560 Right.

01:41:12.760 So I apologize if that, I apologize if that happened to any of you.

01:41:16.900 Um, but we can check the ones on YouTube too.

01:41:19.500 All right.

01:41:19.940 Well, let me, uh, let me grab one.

01:41:22.080 That's, uh, Enrique C says between the hats, music and the shout out.

01:41:25.180 I feel very seen today.

01:41:26.380 Long time fan.

01:41:27.200 Love you all.

01:41:27.760 I am Charlie Kirk.

01:41:28.540 What does he mean about the hats?

01:41:29.480 So maybe Ian, he's got a little, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:41:33.860 And everybody, it's a, it, uh, someone in chat said that it was like, uh, uh, a yarmulke

01:41:38.400 sombrero.

01:41:39.120 Yes.

01:41:39.640 Sombrero yarmulke.

01:41:40.360 You know me.

01:41:41.700 Shalom.

01:41:42.260 Shout out to all the Jews and all the Mexicans and everybody else.

01:41:46.460 Yeah.

01:41:47.220 Happy young work.

01:41:48.520 That's today.

01:41:49.240 Yeah.

01:41:49.660 Yeah.

01:41:49.840 Yeah.

01:41:50.680 I can't scroll.

01:41:52.100 This is so annoying.

01:41:53.640 I'm trying to scroll.

01:41:55.340 Um, Tim Neal says, wow, Ian, your account of the MyLi massacre didn't even,

01:41:59.280 uh, it didn't even one single fact.

01:42:02.660 I, I got to agree.

01:42:03.660 I, I pulled it up right away and I was like, Ian, you're wrong.

01:42:05.740 What about?

01:42:06.600 Well, you said that like, they were so shocked by seeing their friends killed or whatever.

01:42:10.120 Yeah.

01:42:10.260 They were warm, battle fatigued. 0.99

01:42:11.780 It, it, it just says that they gang raped women. 0.99

01:42:14.380 They did do that. 0.99

01:42:15.080 Mutilated bodies.

01:42:16.200 I, yeah.

01:42:16.620 And only one guy got charged for it.

01:42:18.580 The captain that issued it.

01:42:20.620 Yeah.

01:42:21.000 Command.

01:42:21.520 And Nixon pardoned him.

01:42:22.660 Like three months.

01:42:23.320 William Cowley was the name.

01:42:24.080 Yeah.

01:42:24.480 But I don't trust Wikipedia anyway.

01:42:25.920 And by the way, their public opinion was strongly on his side, if I remember correctly,

01:42:30.200 because they, they viewed him as being extremely overcharged.

01:42:33.700 I think we covered this like a while ago, didn't we?

01:42:35.480 I'm not sure.

01:42:36.040 I don't think I was there if we did.

01:42:37.360 I, I remember just talking about this not long ago.

01:42:40.600 Yeah.

01:42:40.840 Not with me.

01:42:41.320 I don't think.

01:42:41.900 Okay.

01:42:42.400 Farrah says not much, but here's a donation for your security.

01:42:45.120 I'll become a member tonight.

01:42:46.480 Love what you do.

01:42:47.360 Keep up the fight.

01:42:48.720 And there's two things all of you can do and you should do.

01:42:51.520 You can join our discord server at timcast.com and you can sign up for a turning point USA

01:42:56.340 and become a monthly donor and help them do the work they're doing.

01:42:59.020 And, uh, I don't know if, if your show actually has some, some, an alternate format as

01:43:02.980 well for, for membership.

01:43:04.120 There is a CK exclusives if they want to sign up for that with, uh, so I think it is,

01:43:09.920 uh, what is it?

01:43:11.200 Is it Charlie Kirk exclusive?

01:43:12.900 Uh, someone's just going to go to charliekirk.com.

01:43:15.120 You'll, you'll see how to do it there.

01:43:16.660 And there's exclusives, exclusive content.

01:43:19.100 Um, Erica, who was, was here the other day sitting right where Blake is, uh, Tim, actually

01:43:24.280 where you're sitting right now is where Erica gave her speech.

01:43:27.720 Um, you know, that's, that's the spot.

01:43:30.640 And, and, uh, she said there is, there are unreleased, uh, you know, tapes and, you know,

01:43:36.880 maybe speeches that were, uh, private for a, you know, a fun, fun, fundraising group,

01:43:42.220 et cetera, that people can go into.

01:43:44.160 And so, uh, members at Charlie Kirk, members.charliekirk.com members.charliekirk.com to get there.

01:43:52.500 I wanted to address just what he was saying about security too.

01:43:54.600 I, I, I've talked to, for the longest time, everyone always says, don't talk about what's

01:43:59.920 going on with security.

01:44:01.320 Uh, Stephen Crowder pointed this out.

01:44:02.700 I've been talking about a little bit more and I, I've just had a few more conversations

01:44:05.840 as of recent.

01:44:06.520 Uh, obviously I'll keep it a bit vague, but in the past couple of weeks, the amount of

01:44:10.940 threats we've got have been extremely serious and have escalated to the point where I'm in

01:44:14.340 direct contact with the FBI, which is a pretty crazy thing to say, because I wouldn't have

01:44:17.380 bothered doing that in the previous administration.

01:44:20.220 I think we did.

01:44:21.840 We had a bunch of threats with the bomb threats of swattings and they didn't do jack. 1.00

01:44:24.940 Uh, this current FBI is taking it very seriously and the threats we have are, are legit and

01:44:29.480 very serious and probably the worst we've ever seen.

01:44:32.640 I've been told quite a bit by everybody, just don't bring it up.

01:44:34.760 Don't talk about it.

01:44:35.500 You make it worse.

01:44:35.900 The problem with that is, is exactly as Stephen Crowder pointed out.

01:44:38.540 So I stand with him in saying this, if we do not explain to everybody watching that in

01:44:43.660 order to have shows like this, where we're goofing off and having philosophical conversations

01:44:47.460 about morals and stuff, just doing this results in people taking real action to try and end

01:44:53.480 our lives.

01:44:54.440 And in Charlie's case, they, they, these horrible people murdered this man.

01:45:00.280 I think it's important that we do talk about it when it does happen.

01:45:04.460 I've talked about, you know, we, we, the swatting's never stopped.

01:45:07.820 We got swatted 15 times in one year.

01:45:09.500 We just had security handle it.

01:45:11.240 We say, well, just, we're just done talking about it.

01:45:12.860 I mean, what's the point?

01:45:13.620 Are we going to keep sitting?

01:45:14.340 Are we going to be the swat show where we say, Hey, it happened again.

01:45:16.420 So with the threats that we get now, I do think when, when, when it, when it, when it's

01:45:20.640 relevant, when it matters, we, we should talk about this.

01:45:23.300 And I should tell you that it's very serious right now.

01:45:26.440 It's extremely expensive.

01:45:27.700 We are spending tens of thousands of dollars more than we normally do because of how serious

01:45:31.840 it is.

01:45:32.180 And I, I'm literally having to get on the phone with the FBI because of how serious it

01:45:35.480 is.

01:45:36.180 I don't want to go into any personal details, but let me just say, these things are terrifying.

01:45:41.580 If we don't talk about it, regular people have the perception that we're chilling, having

01:45:47.160 a good time, making bank, life is good.

01:45:50.320 The left, I don't think experiences the degree of threats that we do.

01:45:54.660 Um, I will say this, there's a particular leftist personality who lives in a normal urban

01:45:59.340 neighborhood with neighbors.

01:46:00.620 Everybody knows this.

01:46:01.940 And he doesn't seem to have a care in the world, despite having a massive audience and

01:46:06.580 being a prominent leftist.

01:46:08.020 And I have to move out of the city and get away because we had a pedophile try to break

01:46:12.180 into my house when I was in Jersey and the cops worst things to have break into your

01:46:16.260 house.

01:46:16.640 Indeed.

01:46:16.920 And the cops told me if I defended myself, I'd go to prison.

01:46:19.440 So I'm like, okay, time to move, time to get away.

01:46:21.700 Well, you're not a, you're not a child.

01:46:22.760 He's not after you.

01:46:23.460 You would have no reason to defend yourself.

01:46:25.160 I guess that's the reason.

01:46:26.100 It was the kid that you were keeping under the bed that they would have freaked out about.

01:46:27.940 New Jersey says that if you can flee, you have to.

01:46:31.400 And if you can't flee, don't worry.

01:46:33.180 After you're charged with felony murder, we'll figure it out.

01:46:35.240 Even in your house.

01:46:36.220 In your house.

01:46:36.760 In New Jersey, if you are in your home.

01:46:38.480 Liberalism.

01:46:39.020 Not even once. 0.79

01:46:39.200 If you are in your home and someone breaks in and screams that they're going to kill you,

01:46:43.620 you cannot shoot them.

01:46:45.860 The only circumstance in which you are allowed is if you are trapped.

01:46:48.760 Now, here's the thing.

01:46:50.460 You will be arrested.

01:46:51.440 I asked the cops.

01:46:52.540 I talked to a lawyer about this.

01:46:53.460 They said, you will be arrested for killing this person.

01:46:55.920 You will be charged with felony murder.

01:46:58.620 At court, you will argue you could not escape.

01:47:02.320 If, however, the defense, the prosecution will then argue, here's why you could have.

01:47:06.980 If it is all brought to you and you answer the question that, well, maybe I could have escaped,

01:47:11.940 prison.

01:47:12.600 If you say, where am I supposed to escape to?

01:47:16.680 Prison. 0.96

01:47:17.360 Because what you're telling the judge and the jury is, I would rather murder a man than stand 0.98

01:47:20.900 outside in the cold. 0.97

01:47:22.240 You are not allowed to kill people in New Jersey.

01:47:24.600 In Maryland, only if they try to break into your house.

01:47:26.600 This is a perfect example of why the next governor of New Jersey should be Jack Ciattarelli.

01:47:35.880 Indeed.

01:47:35.960 And make New Jersey, red jersey, make that happen.

01:47:41.680 We've seen, and we talked about last night, Tim, I think three independent polls now in a row

01:47:46.840 saying that this race is either within the margin of error or is completely tied.

01:47:52.120 That is a perfect example.

01:47:53.580 Restore the right of self-defense to New Jerseyans.

01:47:56.820 And yes, yes, even as a Pennsylvanian, I will say that New Jerseyans do deserve rights, you

01:48:04.820 know, case by case basis, perhaps.

01:48:07.460 But, you know, the right to self-defense should be sacrosanct.

01:48:10.420 And this is absolutely something that a new governor and legislature, of course, hopefully

01:48:14.940 can push through.

01:48:16.660 And always remember the big picture rule.

01:48:18.600 The reason this is the law is that when someone breaks into your home, the right implicitly

01:48:25.860 sympathizes with the homeowner who is being attacked and the left naturally sympathizes

01:48:31.200 with the person breaking in.

01:48:32.760 Yes.

01:48:33.120 Should we do wrap up?

01:48:33.860 Should we wrap up?

01:48:34.580 We should.

01:48:35.400 We're just about at time.

01:48:37.640 Tim, this has been wild.

01:48:38.540 This is fun.

01:48:39.160 Oh, bro.

01:48:39.380 It's been so awesome.

01:48:40.220 You guys having us here and affording us the ability to do the show from Charlie's studio

01:48:44.360 to get to sit next to his great chair, to get to have IRL in the TPSA buildings.

01:48:49.420 It's an honor and a privilege.

01:48:51.980 Well, I mean, I, you know, we appreciate it so much that you came in, that you dedicated

01:48:55.720 an entire week to this, to being here.

01:48:58.460 And, and, you know, Tim's like, oh, well, it's scheduling.

01:49:00.480 No, come on. 0.85

01:49:00.940 I mean, you still did it.

01:49:01.740 You still did it.

01:49:02.560 And, and, and I don't want to downplay it.

01:49:03.900 It's tough.

01:49:04.520 Security is tough.

01:49:05.420 Yeah.

01:49:05.740 And, and you still did it.

01:49:06.940 And, you know, and I'm not saying I'm judging people, you know, if they, if they weren't

01:49:10.960 able to make it to Memorial or something like that, but you were here, you were here at

01:49:14.840 a time like this.

01:49:15.620 I'm honored to be, uh, uh, to be invited.

01:49:18.080 Let's do it again.

01:49:19.140 Yeah.

01:49:19.620 Smash the like button, share the show on both channels, subscribe to all the shows.

01:49:23.360 You can follow me on X and Instagram at Tim cast.

01:49:26.440 They ordered me on to X now.

01:49:28.240 Yes.

01:49:28.480 I'm there.

01:49:29.060 Blake is now a real boy.

01:49:30.800 Blake S.

01:49:31.420 Snaff.

01:49:31.960 A real boy.

01:49:33.780 Uh, Blake, uh, of course was, um, you know, was smeared and doxxed and had been canceled

01:49:39.940 in 2020, right?

01:49:41.340 Yep.

01:49:41.600 Yeah.

01:49:41.800 In, in 2020 by, by CNN.

01:49:44.180 And, uh, his first video went viral with you and Tucker Carlson sitting right here and

01:49:50.400 talking about how it was Charlie Kirk who, uh, who said, you know what, I'm going to hire

01:49:55.560 that guy.

01:49:56.080 I don't care what they said.

01:49:58.060 Uh, what is your Twitter again?

01:49:59.560 Blake at Blake S.

01:50:01.100 Snaff.

01:50:01.280 It would be Blake enough, but I had to delete that one when they doxxed me.

01:50:04.160 So now I have to add my middle initial to it.

01:50:06.520 But can you get it back, man?

01:50:07.800 Uh, they didn't let me right now.

01:50:09.460 So maybe Elon will.

01:50:10.420 Elon's listening.

01:50:11.320 Well, we'll have to go get his number.

01:50:12.780 We know a guy.

01:50:13.600 I know a guy.

01:50:14.500 Blake, I know a guy.

01:50:15.620 Gavin McGinnis a few weeks ago.

01:50:17.880 Yeah.

01:50:17.980 He's got his back.

01:50:18.880 Yes.

01:50:19.380 Ian Crossland.

01:50:19.740 Finger on the pulse.

01:50:20.260 At Ian Crossland.

01:50:21.100 You can find me there everywhere on the internet, YouTube, Twitter, all the good websites.

01:50:25.220 Follow me at Ian Crossland.

01:50:26.200 Again, man, thank you guys so much for hosting.

01:50:29.100 Thank you, Charlie, for everything you've done and what you've built.

01:50:31.480 And we will continue this process and make it even better than you could have ever imagined.

01:50:35.780 Thank you.

01:50:36.900 All right, ladies and gentlemen, as always, go out there and commit more thought crime. 0.78

01:50:41.080 We'll see you next time.

01:50:41.280 We'll see you next time.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - October 03, 2025

THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 99 — THOUGHTCRIME IRL

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