Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - ThoughtCrime： The Trump Verdict Special

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard this week's very special edition of Thought Crime.

00:00:04.800 Join myself, Charlie Kirk, and special guest Steve Bannon reacting in real time to the Trump

00:00:12.480 verdict and the show trial of New York City and the plan for the way forward.

00:00:18.840 We are going to be committing a lot of thought crimes.

00:00:22.060 From the age of big brother.

00:00:24.440 If they want to get you, they'll get you.

00:00:26.260 The NSA specifically targets the communications of everyone.

00:00:30.780 They're collecting your communications.

00:00:38.140 This was a disgrace. 0.94

00:00:40.780 This was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. 0.90

00:00:46.120 It's a rigged trial, a disgrace.

00:00:49.400 They wouldn't give us a venue change.

00:00:51.380 We were at 5% or 6% in this district, in this area.

00:00:58.180 This was a rigged, disgraceful trial.

00:01:02.120 The real verdict is going to be November 5th by the people.

00:01:07.280 And they know what happened here and everybody knows what happened here.

00:01:11.340 You have a sore respect, DA, and the whole thing.

00:01:15.560 We didn't do a thing wrong.

00:01:17.640 I'm a very innocent man.

00:01:20.640 And it's okay.

00:01:22.060 I'm fighting for our country.

00:01:23.260 I'm fighting for our constitution.

00:01:25.280 Our whole country is being rigged right now.

00:01:27.780 This was done by the Biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent.

00:01:35.660 And I think it's just a disgrace.

00:01:39.140 And we'll keep fighting.

00:01:40.200 We'll fight till the end and we'll win because our country's gone to hell.

00:01:44.380 We don't have the same country anymore.

00:01:46.500 We have a divided mess.

00:01:48.540 We're a nation in decline, serious decline.

00:01:51.280 Millions and millions of people pouring into our country right now from prisons and from mental institutions, terrorists. 0.97

00:01:59.880 And they're taking over our country. 0.76

00:02:01.960 We have a country that's in big trouble.

00:02:04.120 But this was a rigged decision right from day one with a conflicted judge who should have never been allowed to try this case.

00:02:11.800 Never.

00:02:12.820 And we will fight for our constitution.

00:02:15.260 This is long from over.

00:02:16.380 Thank you very much.

00:02:18.320 Okay, everybody.

00:02:19.440 It is Thursday.

00:02:20.820 Typically, we do our thought crime show, which we are doing right now.

00:02:23.680 But with the breaking news, we have our panel and we are pivoting to this breaking, breaking news.

00:02:29.380 We have Andrew.

00:02:30.100 We have Blake.

00:02:30.640 We have Jack.

00:02:31.240 I want to just start going through all the facts here.

00:02:33.100 A Manhattan jury has found Trump guilty on all counts.

00:02:36.480 By the way, I'm getting my MAGA hat.

00:02:38.220 Look at that visual.

00:02:39.320 I'm retrieving it.

00:02:40.420 It's in the other room.

00:02:41.520 Look at that.

00:02:41.980 Isn't that the best visual ever?

00:02:43.820 Seeing Blake in a MAGA hat.

00:02:44.840 It's not the best ever.

00:02:45.500 You don't have your hat on.

00:02:46.760 Get the hat on, Charlie.

00:02:49.020 I'm searching it out for the record.

00:02:51.780 Peer pressure, peer pressure, peer pressure, peer pressure.

00:02:54.640 Trust me, I'm on board for it.

00:02:57.480 Seeing Blake in a MAGA hat is amazing.

00:03:01.140 So look, a Manhattan jury has found Trump guilty on all counts.

00:03:04.220 We knew from the start this was the most likely outcome.

00:03:07.420 This case was engineered for years from the very top of the Democrat apparatus to bring

00:03:12.440 down Trump using a rigged law in a rigged courtroom with a rigged jury.

00:03:17.400 Trump will appeal and this will eventually be overturned.

00:03:20.160 But this is a scar on our nation.

00:03:22.800 For today, at least, this country looks a lot more like Venezuela or China or Russia than

00:03:28.280 the United States of America.

00:03:29.820 Now we must be ready to maintain our resolve.

00:03:32.580 There will be an unprecedented push to say that Trump cannot be allowed to win and that

00:03:36.700 we cannot elect a convicted felon.

00:03:39.340 Do not give in.

00:03:40.740 They did this because they are desperate.

00:03:42.900 They will lose and they will pay.

00:03:44.880 This is an indictment of the New York legal system, not Donald Trump. 0.99

00:03:49.560 I support Trump more after all of this crap. 0.95

00:03:52.780 And we must understand the sentencing is now set for July 11th. 0.99

00:03:57.120 There's so much to get through here tonight.

00:03:58.760 We're going to be going longer than our usual a lot of time.

00:04:01.260 You guys can email us throughout the evening.

00:04:03.180 Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com and communicate with us in real time.

00:04:06.700 On the chat, we're live on YouTube, we're live on Rumble, we are live on X, we're live

00:04:10.600 on Facebook.

00:04:11.280 We will be live on A Real America's Voice.

00:04:13.100 Jack, I want to throw it to you, Jack.

00:04:14.480 I want to get a vibe check.

00:04:16.940 The what is the everyday person saying?

00:04:19.800 Are the Democrats winning the narrative war?

00:04:22.820 Is there rejoicing and celebrating or is there consolidating amount of support for President

00:04:28.600 Trump now that he is technically a convicted felon?

00:04:32.380 Jack Posobin.

00:04:33.080 Charlie, what I'm seeing out there is a tale of two cities.

00:04:38.840 And it's a situation where, yes, inside the halls of the power elite, the brokers, the

00:04:47.600 folks of the Capitol, if you will, they're cheering, they're celebrating, they're throwing

00:04:53.380 up their green and blue hair in applause and adulation.

00:04:57.480 But meanwhile, the regular people who live out in the districts, the people who actually

00:05:04.940 put this country together every day, the people who drive the trucks, the people who keep

00:05:11.900 us safe, the people who actually run the businesses, the muscular class, as you like to say, Charlie,

00:05:18.160 those people are incensed.

00:05:21.060 And I'll tell you the number one thing that's flooding my inbox right now.

00:05:24.440 People are saying, Jack, how do I donate to Donald Trump?

00:05:28.460 And I don't mean just people who, you know, who know me and know that I'm, you know, kind of involved

00:05:33.500 in politics and all this.

00:05:34.760 I mean, people who are just crawling out of the woodwork, family members that I only talk

00:05:39.600 to on holidays, friends from childhood.

00:05:42.360 They're all texting me.

00:05:43.700 How do I donate?

00:05:44.780 How do I get involved?

00:05:45.800 How do I donate to this guy myself personally?

00:05:48.620 I don't usually donate to political campaigns.

00:05:52.080 It's just not something that I've ever done.

00:05:55.160 But today is not normal.

00:05:57.320 And this moment is not normal.

00:05:59.260 So just minutes before the show started today, I maxed out to Donald J.

00:06:02.960 Trump for the entire year.

00:06:05.080 And by the way, just today alone at Turning Point Action, we raised nearly a million dollars

00:06:10.260 today, just at Turning Point Action for ballot chasing.

00:06:12.880 And just today alone, small dollar donations, yes.

00:06:16.940 But, you know, I was just on the phone again.

00:06:18.680 I was working the phones here and I got a text message from one of our donors.

00:06:22.320 They said, Charlie, I'm going to give $250,000.

00:06:24.080 We had another do $100,000.

00:06:26.040 We are getting incoming like you wouldn't believe.

00:06:29.220 And I want to throw it to Andrew here.

00:06:30.820 But I'm going to read this one text message from an anti-Trump Republican who is in my orbit

00:06:36.520 in my family.

00:06:37.360 I'm not going to say who.

00:06:38.140 And he's a conservative.

00:06:39.860 He's a good man.

00:06:40.960 He says, I cannot believe the verdict makes me sick.

00:06:43.460 When I got this text, I was like, what?

00:06:45.980 He said, Trump is below the law, not above the law.

00:06:49.620 I kind of love that.

00:06:50.500 Below the law.

00:06:51.660 They make the law up.

00:06:53.640 He is.

00:06:54.280 He has his own standard.

00:06:55.400 It is repulsive.

00:06:57.460 Andrew, from a vibe check, at least anecdotally and from on social media, the American people

00:07:03.440 are not tolerating this.

00:07:04.860 They're not celebrating.

00:07:05.740 They're not rejoicing it.

00:07:06.700 It feels like an overreach.

00:07:08.080 It feels third world.

00:07:09.760 It feels tinpock dictator.

00:07:12.700 If you hated Trump so much, then beat him in the ballot box.

00:07:15.960 Don't rig a trial against him.

00:07:18.200 Andrew, from your analysis on social, what are we looking at or feeling right now?

00:07:23.200 You know, Charlie, the thing that struck me is that they've spent basically the last

00:07:27.540 six, seven years trying to paint Donald Trump as Putin.

00:07:31.120 And in their, you know, zeal to do so, they've revealed that they are, in fact, Putin.

00:07:37.840 They are absolutely, I think they've completely jumped the shark.

00:07:41.540 I want to throw up this image, 158, guys, if you could do that.

00:07:45.980 This is a crazy, like, gut check right here.

00:07:49.880 If you're Democrats, I think, Charlie, you tweeted something like, you're about to reap the

00:07:54.060 whirlwind, quoting Chuck U. Schumer, 158.

00:07:58.640 Yeah.

00:07:59.000 So this is Guy Benson responding to a guy named Con Carroll, who said, through two primaries

00:08:05.920 and two general elections, I have never voted for Trump.

00:08:08.600 I would crawl over broken glass to vote for him now.

00:08:12.140 And Guy says, I've gotten a lot of these, of texts like this.

00:08:15.240 No idea, like, you know, if this will offset the negative.

00:08:17.860 Then you look down, and there's Peter Meyer, who literally voted to impeach Donald Trump.

00:08:26.720 You know, a conservative, quote unquote, who voted to impeach Donald Trump just said, same.

00:08:33.560 If that's not a vibe check of where this kangaroo court out of New York has thrust the American 0.51

00:08:41.600 population, where it's, you know, put just normie, moderate people, I don't know what is.

00:08:47.680 This is crazy to see that image right there.

00:08:51.420 And I mean, I think when you, we talk a lot about boomerangs, we talk a lot about this stuff.

00:08:57.020 This is unlike anything we've ever seen.

00:08:59.940 This is the Mar-a-Lago raid on steroids, which is the only thing I can think of that comes

00:09:05.400 anywhere close to this.

00:09:06.780 People are flipping mad.

00:09:10.480 Yeah.

00:09:10.960 And so I want to go to Blake here.

00:09:12.360 My only comment, though, is that the Mar-a-Lago raid, it faded.

00:09:15.720 I don't think this will fade, meaning we didn't see that translate into midterm anything.

00:09:21.080 We thought it would.

00:09:22.400 We kind of just forgot about it.

00:09:24.160 This feels completely different.

00:09:26.000 And so, Blake, there's a series of tweets here that show how the left is not really even

00:09:30.540 comfortable celebrating this.

00:09:31.960 Almost as if that unless you're like a completely dark and suppressed individual that has complete,

00:09:38.260 that has just, your soul has been overtaken by the shadow.

00:09:42.360 That even they're like a little bit worried about this.

00:09:46.520 So, Blake, talk about how in 2020 they were celebrating in the streets.

00:09:50.840 We aren't even seeing that some like lunatics are banging pots and pans.

00:09:54.640 So talk about this.

00:09:56.180 This is a tweet that I just floated across from someone on Twitter just called Blair.

00:10:00.960 I don't think they're a major person, but they say in in Borum Hill, I don't know if I'm saying

00:10:05.100 that right.

00:10:05.560 It's a neighborhood in Brooklyn and Borum Hill, an older couple just stepped out of a brownstone

00:10:10.580 and started banging pots and pans together.

00:10:13.820 Nobody on the street reacted.

00:10:15.680 So they added guilty, guilty, and then walked back inside.

00:10:20.660 And I think a lot of us might remember the Saturday after the fall election, it's when they when

00:10:27.480 they called the race for Joe Biden, there was an actual pretty spontaneous reaction from

00:10:34.460 the left where they went outside and they had very cringe celebrations, honking horns in

00:10:39.480 the street and all that.

00:10:40.420 They posted their Twitter videos of them dancing, all of that.

00:10:43.880 And that did happen in 2020.

00:10:46.240 And now they finally got what so many of them supposedly wanted.

00:10:50.040 They got the Donald Trump is convicted and you have a few lame old people go outside and 0.98

00:10:56.120 they bang some pots pathetically and no one cares. 0.98

00:10:59.920 The energy has gone.

00:11:01.780 There's so much energy that's been lost by the by the left in the last few years, because

00:11:07.200 I think it's pretty clear.

00:11:08.720 Biden has been a hugely disappointing, even disastrous president for them.

00:11:13.360 They've seen so many norms be overreached in the frenzy to go after Trump.

00:11:19.020 It's just all the energy is different.

00:11:21.340 The energy in 2024 is way off for the left.

00:11:24.860 They've they've lost their vitality as a movement.

00:11:27.580 Another one that I want to flag.

00:11:29.380 This is another thing.

00:11:31.000 This is posted by Sean McGuire.

00:11:33.620 He is a partner or some.

00:11:36.000 Yes, he's a partner at Sequoia Capital.

00:11:37.800 That's a finance firm.

00:11:40.120 He also is a Ph.D.

00:11:41.540 in physics from Caltech.

00:11:43.360 Uh, and he's got 100, about 100,000 followers on X and he just posted this almost the moment

00:11:49.300 that the verdict went live and he posted, I just donated $300,000 to Trump.

00:11:55.920 I don't know how he broke that up, but, uh, he donated $300,000.

00:11:59.320 You're only allowed to donate $2,800.

00:12:00.820 So I want to know what he's towards the Trump cause by the Andrew, can you send him a DM and

00:12:06.960 be like, Hey, you should learn about our ballot chasing project.

00:12:09.060 Yes.

00:12:09.440 Go ahead.

00:12:09.980 Do that.

00:12:10.560 And he said, I just donated 300,000 to Trump.

00:12:13.540 I'm prepared to lose friends.

00:12:15.000 Here's why.

00:12:15.620 He says in 2016, I drank the media Kool-Aid.

00:12:19.360 I donated Hillary Clinton's campaign.

00:12:21.300 I voted for her in 2020.

00:12:23.720 I was disillusioned and didn't vote.

00:12:25.980 I didn't like either option.

00:12:27.620 Now in 2024, I believe this is one of the most important elections of my lifetime and I'm

00:12:35.920 supporting Trump and he says, it's a pretty long post.

00:12:40.960 Uh, I encourage you guys, uh, to find it.

00:12:43.420 In fact, I'll post a link for anyone who's watching on rumble.

00:12:46.600 I will put the link right there.

00:12:48.280 So you guys all can read it.

00:12:49.800 And he just says, it's the most important election of my lifetime.

00:12:52.920 I refuse to live in a society where people are afraid to speak.

00:12:57.220 And I think that is an idea.

00:12:59.940 A lot of people are picking up on that.

00:13:01.980 They understand Trump was not targeted because he was a criminal.

00:13:05.920 He was targeted for what he said, what he's done as a politician, what he threatens to

00:13:11.620 do as a politician.

00:13:12.500 If he is elected again, he was targeted for political reasons, period.

00:13:19.600 And people can intuit this.

00:13:21.760 And I think it's going to only get worse as this goes on.

00:13:25.460 The longer we get from the actual conviction, I think the more it's going to be entrenched

00:13:30.040 in people's heads.

00:13:31.060 This is a political move.

00:13:32.600 Anytime anything bad happens for Biden this year, it's going to be the thought in people's

00:13:36.740 heads.

00:13:37.340 Oh, no wonder he had to try to put Donald Trump in jail because his presidency is going south. 0.97

00:13:41.620 His presidency is a disaster.

00:13:43.540 So his only option was pulling a Latin American dictator and trying to throw the other guy 0.95

00:13:48.220 in jail.

00:13:48.600 So I want to now we, by the way, we have huge viewers right now across all platforms, and

00:13:55.100 we are going to have a real America's voice.

00:13:58.080 We're going to join with them soon.

00:14:00.660 You guys can email us throughout freedom at charliekirk.com freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:14:05.300 I want to play this.

00:14:06.040 This is one guy who says it's a majestic day.

00:14:08.740 A miracle is too strong of a word.

00:14:10.300 It's a day for celebration.

00:14:11.940 Enjoy your ecstasy because you are reaping a whirlwind like at 147.

00:14:19.760 We've been holding our breath as a country for a long time, waiting for the cavalry to

00:14:25.820 arrive in the form of the rule of law.

00:14:28.260 And it did arrive today.

00:14:30.180 And it's a majestic day.

00:14:32.380 And we are rightly saying the system worked like clockwork.

00:14:35.800 And the jury was diligent and attentive.

00:14:38.360 And the judge was firm and gentle.

00:14:42.620 Donald Trump is a different person now.

00:14:44.800 He's a convict.

00:14:45.860 He's not innocent until presumed guilty.

00:14:48.560 He is guilty.

00:14:49.960 He will get bail.

00:14:51.300 It's true.

00:14:52.220 But he's in a whole different status in society, in the legal system, in the rule of law.

00:14:58.000 That's not only fitting, but a kind of miracle is too strong a word.

00:15:03.260 But a really a day for celebration just because of the work like clockwork of the system powered

00:15:11.340 by not the personalities, but the law.

00:15:14.560 And that guy was going to go all Jeffrey Toobin.

00:15:17.920 And he was about to do something, though.

00:15:22.900 You get it.

00:15:23.700 You get it.

00:15:25.440 So, by the way, the MAGA hat is incoming for everyone.

00:15:29.720 It better be.

00:15:30.160 We're waiting, Charlie.

00:15:31.140 If you don't have it by the end.

00:15:32.980 I have a good excuse.

00:15:34.780 We have a two-week-old that needs tending to.

00:15:37.040 And then the MAGA hat.

00:15:38.320 Do you have maybe like a Sharpie?

00:15:40.100 You could draw it on your on your forehead if we need to.

00:15:43.200 Should I just, you know, write MAGA?

00:15:45.080 I think you need to get a Trump tattoo on your on your forehead, Charlie.

00:15:48.940 Yeah, that's so the that's this. 0.99

00:15:52.140 Who is that lunatic, by the way?

00:15:53.560 Who is this guy that this guy that we just saw? 0.94

00:15:57.280 I mean, he was just awfully self-pleasuring over this.

00:16:03.580 What was this guy's name?

00:16:04.860 Anyway, the the vibes for the Democrat Party seems to be completely off here.

00:16:11.340 So, Andrew, there were reports and I want to make sure they're verified that there was

00:16:16.160 celebration at the Biden re-election campaign headquarters.

00:16:19.900 Is is that correct?

00:16:21.560 And either of you can chime in here.

00:16:23.040 I saw a report about that.

00:16:24.780 I want to make sure it's verified.

00:16:26.360 Blake, you sent that.

00:16:27.340 Is that correct?

00:16:29.460 It's reported to CNN.

00:16:31.080 I saw the image that they were celebrating.

00:16:33.140 I don't I didn't see any tape or whatever.

00:16:35.540 I assume they'd be celebrating.

00:16:37.940 They are liberals.

00:16:39.120 I hope they at least wanted this to happen.

00:16:41.540 It'd be pretty embarrassing if they'd already decided they didn't they didn't want Trump

00:16:44.860 to be convicted already.

00:16:46.340 I do think it is an image that will age well for us and badly for them.

00:16:52.020 I think that'll be the sort of thing on November 6th.

00:16:55.900 People will be posting it and thinking like, good job, guys.

00:16:58.540 You screwed it up again.

00:17:00.420 That's kind of been a recurring thing with Trump is they'll they'll badly want something

00:17:04.320 to happen and it'll blow up in their face.

00:17:05.960 Remember in back in 2015, the Hillary Clinton campaign tried to encourage the Donald Trump

00:17:11.380 candidacy because they thought he'd be the easiest guy to beat.

00:17:13.620 And they were regretting that a year later.

00:17:16.220 And I could easily see this being the case where they'll think, why did we convict this

00:17:22.340 guy?

00:17:22.780 Why did we charge this guy?

00:17:24.260 Remember, the weakest point for Donald Trump between him leaving office and now the weakest

00:17:32.180 point for him was that window just after the midterm election where people were thinking

00:17:36.960 Republicans didn't get their red wave.

00:17:39.680 Trump magic is fading.

00:17:40.920 This is the opportunity for others to step up.

00:17:43.080 And what slammed the door on that?

00:17:44.820 What slammed the door on that was Alvin Bragg and Fannie Willis and Jack Smith bringing these

00:17:51.040 charges.

00:17:51.920 And that's what locked it in that after that, no question, Trump was going to get re-nominated

00:17:56.100 again.

00:17:56.780 Democrats chose to have Donald Trump as their opponent when they did that.

00:18:01.340 And now he's convicted.

00:18:03.380 Congratulations.

00:18:03.780 You guys got what you wished for and hope you enjoy it.

00:18:08.820 So the I want to play that Alvin Bragg says he's just doing his job. 0.69

00:18:13.300 It is hard to put into words the craven nature of this lunatic where he has allowed crime to

00:18:22.120 go all throughout New York. 0.83

00:18:24.420 24,000 plus New Yorkers have been assaulted on the streets so far this year.

00:18:28.600 He has downgraded 53 percent of felonies to misdemeanors.

00:18:31.920 It is open season in New York unless you are a political dissident, unless you have a political

00:18:38.420 view that they don't like.

00:18:39.880 And I want everybody in the audience to understand you may not like Donald Trump, but if you have

00:18:43.860 any admiration for the United States of America, for our Constitution, for checks and balances,

00:18:49.080 for consent to the governed, for the tradition that built the West, then today is an outrage.

00:18:54.700 And there is only one option, which is you send a message in November that you still

00:19:00.680 believe in our customs and our traditions.

00:19:02.720 It's not about voting for Trump.

00:19:04.180 It's about voting for the continuation or the obliteration of the United States of America.

00:19:08.860 Play cut 150.

00:19:10.780 I did my job.

00:19:12.340 Our job is to follow the facts and the law without fear or favor.

00:19:16.680 And that's exactly what we did here.

00:19:19.100 And what I feel is gratitude to work alongside phenomenal public servants who do that each

00:19:25.340 and every day in matters that you all write about and make the press and in lots of matters

00:19:30.340 that you don't.

00:19:31.620 I did my job.

00:19:33.060 We did our job.

00:19:34.780 Many voices out there.

00:19:36.200 The only voice that matters is the voice of the jury, and the jury has spoken.

00:19:45.540 We are also now live on Real America's Voice.

00:19:47.720 Hello, everybody.

00:19:48.280 We are live.

00:19:48.880 And by the way, I know you're saying, Charlie, where's the MAGA hat?

00:19:50.620 It's incoming.

00:19:51.560 It's coming in.

00:19:52.440 So this is very important.

00:19:55.540 And Jack, I'm going to throw it to you.

00:19:56.640 Alvin Bragg ran on this.

00:19:58.920 Alvin Bragg told us this is what he was going to do.

00:20:01.440 He ran on a nakedly political election promise.

00:20:04.940 I will use political power to go after the opposition.

00:20:08.800 If his name was not Trump, he would not have been in trial.

00:20:10.980 They still can't tell you what the crime was.

00:20:13.000 The jury went 34 for 34 across the board in a rigged trial in zip code justice.

00:20:18.920 Alvin Bragg did the ditch digging work of the Biden reelection campaign.

00:20:24.260 However, is it actually helping them?

00:20:27.380 Jack Posobiec.

00:20:28.600 So, Charlie, when Alvin Bragg says, I did my job,

00:20:32.860 that's the first honest thing I think this guy has actually said in this entire process.

00:20:38.720 Yes, he did do his job.

00:20:40.580 He did his job for the far left, for the Marxists that are participating in an irregular communist

00:20:47.260 revolution in our country right now.

00:20:49.500 What was his job?

00:20:50.620 His job was to make Trump have to wear this label like an albatross around his neck.

00:20:56.540 Now, going into the general election, hasn't even been nominated yet.

00:21:00.160 By the way, the sentencing, we haven't even talked about this yet,

00:21:02.480 but the sentencing has now been scheduled for, I think, three days before the beginning of the Republican convention.

00:21:10.340 So, this is just amazing.

00:21:11.780 And I want people to understand this.

00:21:13.660 I want people to be very clear.

00:21:15.040 And I want you to look at it directly in the eye.

00:21:17.360 This is your country now.

00:21:18.520 You can do something about that this year, or you can lay back and have this be the rest of our future.

00:21:25.600 This is the rest of eternity for America will be like this.

00:21:29.240 Or you can actually fight.

00:21:33.180 And that's the end of the day because they want to put Donald Trump behind bars

00:21:37.720 and deny him the ability to have that convention.

00:21:42.300 By the way, they know this will all get appealed on, you know,

00:21:44.940 it'll all get overturned on appeal, maybe not at the direct level,

00:21:48.700 but, you know, certainly at a higher court level.

00:21:50.660 But that's not the point.

00:21:51.420 The point is so that they get to run around and say,

00:21:54.160 and you see these little Democrats already doing it,

00:21:56.580 convicted felon Donald Trump, convicted Stephen King's out there running his mouth.

00:22:01.460 Stephen King hasn't written a good book in 40 years since the last time,

00:22:04.060 since Robert De Niro opened a movie that, you know, Donald Trump convicted felon.

00:22:09.160 And that's what Alvin Bragg's job was from the very start.

00:22:12.640 His job was to deliver this verdict.

00:22:14.540 That was also Judge Juan Mershon's job from the very start.

00:22:17.780 And I wouldn't be surprised if Juan Mershon's name finds itself on the shortlist

00:22:21.780 for appointments to the federal bench by the Biden administration.

00:22:25.080 Of course, it wouldn't be so brazen as to do it this term.

00:22:27.940 But if Biden is somehow able to steal the election, then guess what?

00:22:31.660 They'll be doing that in the next term.

00:22:33.400 Look, so all of this was rigged.

00:22:35.640 All of this was a predetermined outcome.

00:22:37.380 This is the same as the Soviet show trials in the Bolshevik years, in the Soviet Union.

00:22:43.600 This is the same as when King Louis, King Louis was given a quote unquote fair trial.

00:22:48.200 And how did that work out for him and his wife?

00:22:49.980 Again, show trials are something that the left has been doing for 250 years.

00:22:54.140 They just don't usually do them here.

00:22:55.380 Well, no, and especially against former presidents that are up in the polls that are building an

00:23:01.700 amazing political movement.

00:23:03.200 Andrew, are you sensing any regret from the Biden campaign or the left?

00:23:09.040 It's interesting.

00:23:09.980 Have we seen the victory lap yet from powerful Democrats?

00:23:14.120 And I haven't seen, for example, and you guys, I want you to fact check me.

00:23:17.540 Have we seen Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries?

00:23:23.260 Have any of them commented on this yet?

00:23:25.200 I'm just asking.

00:23:26.080 I'm curious.

00:23:27.360 And because if not, that is very telling.

00:23:30.980 That is the power center.

00:23:32.880 That is the rod of power of the Democrat Party.

00:23:35.840 If, again, these apparatchiks on television or whatever.

00:23:38.620 But the ruling class of the Democrats, have they spoken out?

00:23:45.420 Have they said anything?

00:23:46.460 And by the way, in the audience, you guys can email us your thoughts in real time.

00:23:49.200 Freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:23:50.680 Andrew, have you seen that?

00:23:52.480 Hakeem Jeffries, yes.

00:23:54.180 He said, America is a nation built upon the rule of law.

00:23:56.920 The jury has spoken and carefully rendered a decision.

00:24:00.620 Responsible leadership requires the verdict to be respected.

00:24:04.060 And then Chuck Schumer has not issued a statement.

00:24:07.580 I know that the Biden campaign and the Biden White House issued a very just sort of a ho-hum statement.

00:24:16.140 It was not spiking the football, which was actually at odds from some of the original reporting, saying that they were going to have a press conference and do a whole song and dance after the verdict.

00:24:27.340 That didn't happen.

00:24:28.580 I think what you saw on network, especially like MSNBC, CNN, you saw a moment of relief.

00:24:35.420 You saw a moment of ecstasy.

00:24:38.320 But I think after that initial reaction, I think their secondary reaction has been very muted at best.

00:24:50.000 I think they are seeing the writing on the wall.

00:24:52.560 Obviously, the energy on social media is crazy.

00:24:56.420 I mean, your Twitter account, everything you send out right now, it's like, I mean, they're just flying, right?

00:25:02.560 And that's not just you.

00:25:04.600 There's a lot of other people on Twitter that that's the way.

00:25:07.520 And they're seeing the fact that Donald Trump's website crashed because people were trying to donate.

00:25:14.480 I mean, so I think that they're seeing it.

00:25:16.780 They're seeing the blowback.

00:25:17.840 And now you're going to see it very muted.

00:25:19.520 They're going to say, well, this was just the rule of law.

00:25:21.100 Everybody's just following the facts.

00:25:23.100 No, this they know that they very well could be the dog that caught the ambulance.

00:25:27.300 And now they don't know what the hell to do with it.

00:25:29.780 So there's one.

00:25:30.800 Look, there's a couple of things we need now to rally behind President Trump in record ways.

00:25:34.540 And that is that can happen in a certain couple of ways.

00:25:37.560 One of the ways is, again, Real America's Voice, we're going to have a huge platform here.

00:25:42.000 Prepare Cut One. 0.64

00:25:42.840 We have President Donald Trump, who is now a political prisoner and a martyr against the regime,

00:25:47.920 the regime that has made you poor, the regime that has sent your sons and daughters overseas needlessly

00:25:53.960 and to foreign adventurous wars, the regime that has kept the border open.

00:25:58.820 They have now tried to remove the one person that has decided to try to stand up for you and fight for you.

00:26:05.480 We are rallying behind him in Detroit, Michigan in two weeks, two weeks from today.

00:26:10.340 We have Vivek Ramaswamy, Steve Bannon, Ben Carson, Candace Owens, Donald Trump Jr.

00:26:14.760 And, of course, President Donald Trump is our keynote.

00:26:17.260 Play Cut One.

00:26:17.840 They are counting on your surrender.

00:26:23.000 If you give up, they win.

00:26:25.760 But what if we look back and we realize we were just inches away from victory, and that's when we decided to give up?

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00:27:37.460 By the way, this is a 2020 MAGA hat, just so we are clear.

00:27:42.120 This is OG 45.

00:27:44.320 Charlie!

00:27:45.520 No, hey, it says Trump on the back.

00:27:47.060 It says USA.

00:27:48.960 It doesn't say make America great again.

00:27:52.340 It is by definition not a MAGA hat.

00:27:55.600 No, no.

00:27:55.960 Remember when Trump went to the USA hat in 2020 for a little bit?

00:27:58.980 No, that wasn't just during 2020.

00:28:02.040 It was during the administration because that was like, it's not a political hat.

00:28:06.340 It's like a USA hat.

00:28:08.240 I love that Blake's shaking his head.

00:28:10.200 In general, Blake is right.

00:28:13.420 It's not a MAGA hat.

00:28:14.800 No way.

00:28:15.160 Let's let the audience decide.

00:28:16.940 Foul on the play.

00:28:17.760 Good or not so good.

00:28:18.380 Foul on the play.

00:28:18.800 So, all right.

00:28:19.700 Everybody, get your tickets right now.

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00:28:22.420 We'll be doing shows live in Detroit, Michigan, tpaction.com slash peoples.

00:28:27.320 We want to see you there.

00:28:28.180 It is the event of the summer.

00:28:30.520 It is for all of you.

00:28:31.620 Grassroots Detroit, Michigan, June 14, 15, 16, tpaction.com slash peoples.

00:28:37.300 Blake, I want you to riff.

00:28:38.780 It is Donald Trump.

00:28:40.040 How should he handle this?

00:28:41.280 Should this now be a pillar of Donald Trump's campaign or should he just focus on Biden?

00:28:46.960 So, I've had some thoughts about this and we've talked about this off screen.

00:28:52.020 So, I think the way that this could turn to Joe Biden's advantage is he would like the election to be a referendum on Donald Trump.

00:29:02.680 Purely on Donald Trump.

00:29:04.240 Because if he does that, well, you know, about 50%, maybe a little half, still don't, the unbalanced don't like Donald Trump.

00:29:11.400 Donald Trump, most people are not going to, most people are not going to vote for him.

00:29:14.740 He probably won't get a majority.

00:29:15.780 And, you know, just make it focus on Trump himself.

00:29:20.300 And what he doesn't want is he doesn't want an election about Joe Biden.

00:29:23.480 Because Joe Biden has, like, the lowest approval ratings of any president since, you know, like Bush at his absolute worst.

00:29:30.180 So, he has disastrous approval.

00:29:31.520 And it's getting worse and it's a huge mess and most people when polled think Donald Trump was a better president than Joe Biden.

00:29:37.980 So, he doesn't want a referendum on Biden and he doesn't want the election to be Trump versus Biden who's better.

00:29:44.120 He would prefer it to just be all about Trump.

00:29:47.180 And what I will say is Donald Trump has great political instincts, but I do think one of his biggest weaknesses is he does sometimes conflate his own personal stuff with the stuff of national importance.

00:30:01.180 Now, this admittedly does blur the two.

00:30:03.560 But what I think is the biggest winning move for Trump is anytime, like, Joe Biden tries to bring this up in a debate, Trump says, you're deflecting from the fact you're a disastrous president.

00:30:13.640 You've destroyed our reputation abroad.

00:30:16.360 You've wrecked the economy with inflation and everything else.

00:30:19.420 You let crime run wild.

00:30:21.440 You're trying to buy votes with, like, illegal amnesties on student loans, anything else.

00:30:26.960 And that's why you're trying to throw me in jail with this sham thing.

00:30:30.380 So, you throw it in at the end.

00:30:31.980 Say, this is what you're doing because you're otherwise a disastrous president.

00:30:36.500 And everyone else who supports Trump, all of his surrogates, you, his vice president, his vice presidential pick, Vivek, Vance, whoever it is, all the rest of us, we're all going to be saying plenty that this is a rigged process to throw Donald Trump in jail because it is.

00:30:52.060 But for Trump himself, the key thing is, I was a better president, Joe Biden's a disastrous president, and that's why he's trying to throw me behind bars.

00:31:00.480 And I think that's the winning message.

00:31:01.940 And you don't want to get bogged down where Donald Trump is saying, oh, the judge was biased, this part of the trial was rigged against me.

00:31:11.080 Don't get into the thicket of stuff you're only going to understand if you are following this every day on television because most people weren't, and they won't know for sure whether it's true or not.

00:31:21.620 But what they do know is Joe Biden's a terrible president, and the country was better in 2018.

00:31:26.000 So, Jack, I mean, I received, I would say, the shock that I get from some people, the can't-believe texts, the I-don't-understand texts, I just kind of laugh, and I got a couple of these recently.

00:31:41.300 And I'm kind of like, wait, hold on, wait, I mean, have you been living in the country the last four years?

00:31:45.420 Peter Navarro's in federal prison, they raided James O'Keefe's home, they have Rudy Giuliani indicted Mark Meadows, Tyler Boyer, they're going after attorney point action.

00:31:52.420 Across the board, they basically dissolved the NRA, what country are you living in?

00:31:57.200 I can't believe, oh, my goodness, the system of justice that we have bet our entire future on is not what we thought it once was.

00:32:05.420 And I think this is a deep point that we must explore tonight, which is that the left, all they cared about was using power and taking over institutions to then take over the country.

00:32:19.380 We have reverence for our documents, our traditions, and we've been afraid to entertain it, and we've held up as this ideal, this holy ideal, that our justice system will always save us.

00:32:33.180 Well, guess what, moderate Republicans, you have bet on the wrong horse, because the justice system won't save you.

00:32:40.040 The question is, can elections still save us?

00:32:41.620 I certainly hope.

00:32:42.660 Jack, I laugh at those text messages.

00:32:44.980 I imagine you've been receiving some of the same.

00:32:46.480 Charlie, it's so interesting to me, because all throughout when I was down in Charlotte last weekend, and we were actually with President Trump briefly, and then even just being on my phone this week, people all keep texting me, oh, do you think Trump's going to pull this out?

00:33:06.720 Do you think the jury's going to acquit him?

00:33:08.380 And I just keep responding, he's going to be found guilty.

00:33:11.040 And I was very consistent on that.

00:33:12.700 I was very consistent on air that, yeah, there's these, you know, kind of like, what if scenarios, sure, fine, but, you know, more than likely, he's going to be found guilty, because show trial, show verdict.

00:33:23.260 And it goes, it reminds me of something that we find in the Bolshevik Revolution, where there's this line that says, even as the Bolsheviks were taking power, that so many people just followed the usual course of daily life without realizing that they would soon become the victims of the horrors that would befall them.

00:33:46.380 And that's written by Piotr Rangel, who was the leader of the white army that fought in the civil war against the communists.

00:33:53.340 And so it's this idea that when there's these rapid changes happening throughout history, and we dig into this in the book, that people who are so close to it and so much have their routine actually can't see it and actually can't realize that these things are going on.

00:34:09.120 But then those of us who have been tracking it on a daily basis, by the way, not just starting in 2020 or 2021 with what they've done to the J6ers or what they've done to Doug Mackey, but even going all the way back to 2017 and some of the stuff that we don't even talk about anymore, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, the list goes on, General Flynn.

00:34:31.500 Obviously, there's a movie out about that. So the list goes on. But this has been happening since the very beginning of the Trump era and this idea.

00:34:40.380 And by the way, many of the names like Andrew Weisman, who I guess we didn't play his clip, we've been playing his clip all week on the other show, that this guy who said he had a huge man cross on Juan Mershon was intrinsically linked.

00:34:51.780 He was the guy who ran the Mueller investigation to begin with.

00:34:54.120 So there's been this cabal of people who's been attempting the de-Trumpification of America literally since the election was called on the night of, what was it, November 8th, 2016.

00:35:07.720 And so for those folks that are in our orbit, those folks that are in politics, those folks that are consultants, it's just you guys haven't even been on the playing field.

00:35:16.620 You haven't even been paying attention. You want to run around and you've got so many of these Republicans and everybody knows them.

00:35:22.420 They want to talk about, oh, the war in the Middle East and, you know, whichever war of the week it is in the Middle East.

00:35:27.980 Or they want to talk so much about the insolvable borders of Ukraine.

00:35:32.460 Or they want to talk about, oh, such and such thing is going on and we need to defend, you know, the natives of East Timor.

00:35:39.000 Oh, the natives of East Timor. It's like, guys, we get it. There's all this stuff that's going on. 0.57

00:35:42.860 But what about the problem of the communists in our midst right now here in the United States?

00:35:47.960 And they say, oh, you're being mean. Oh, you're talking too loudly.

00:35:50.820 Or, oh, Jack's just trying to get clicks. Charlie's just trying to get more podcast downloads, whatever it is.

00:35:56.060 But at the end of the day, what what happened here, Charlie, is that those of us that have actually been ringing the bell and sounding the alarm were just proven completely right.

00:36:07.060 And just given verifiable proof that, yes, we are living through the era of a regime and we are living through an era of a regime and oligarchy, whatever you want to call it, that has decided to completely throw our republic out the window.

00:36:20.940 And for those of the people who are saying we shouldn't fight back and we shouldn't use reciprocity and we shouldn't be like them and we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level.

00:36:28.740 We have to stick by our principles. Everybody knows this. You guys were wrong.

00:36:32.800 You've been a hindrance. And if anything, you've actually kind of been aiding and abetting those of us that have actually been trying to take the fight to the enemy this entire time.

00:36:40.940 That's right. Hey, guys, look.

00:36:43.320 Hey, there it is.

00:36:46.000 I had to go into the archives and does Charlie have like Snapchat filters on right now?

00:36:52.780 I don't know. Everybody point to the hat.

00:36:54.880 We have to get one one one screen grab of this one graphic.

00:36:58.160 You got to do having having Blake with the MAGA hat makes my makes my year because it's a symbol.

00:37:04.340 And Andrew, I want to talk about this.

00:37:06.120 I am now going to wear this everywhere I go.

00:37:08.740 Every single one of you, you need to now get one of these.

00:37:11.860 Go down, donate at DonaldJTrump.com and you need to go into the streets and to show this regime.

00:37:19.460 No, F you.

00:37:21.060 Actually, we're not going to put up with this. 0.99

00:37:23.400 We are not going to tolerate your nonsense or your BS.

00:37:27.040 We will not put up with this color revolution where you are trying to do a coup d'etat. 0.74

00:37:32.340 This is not Haiti where you can just displace the will of the sovereign.

00:37:36.520 You can just kind of come in and say, well, there's a plane waiting for you and we can get you to the Central African Republic.

00:37:40.860 Or else we're going to take over the country. 0.85

00:37:43.080 The same playbook that the CIA has done in other countries they're trying to do here.

00:37:49.000 And Andrew, I think this is very important that somebody asked me.

00:37:53.640 They called me.

00:37:54.480 They said, Charlie, is this going to be a positive or negative?

00:37:56.340 I said, it is what we make of it.

00:37:58.840 This could end up being a massive positive.

00:38:00.920 If we stay peaceful, we stay restrained.

00:38:03.940 We resist the temptation from feds trying to make us be violent and all that nonsense.

00:38:09.560 And instead, we stay focused on action.

00:38:12.160 We chase ballots.

00:38:13.260 We register voters.

00:38:14.420 I would be I cannot wait to see the voter registration numbers after this.

00:38:19.260 Andrew, how should we act and talk about how it's more important than ever for us to speak our mind in public, regardless the cost?

00:38:26.820 Yeah, you actually put out a great tweet about this where you were like, step one, wear a MAGA hat.

00:38:32.740 Step two, go out in public.

00:38:33.940 Step three, have a conversation.

00:38:35.760 When people react positively to you wearing this hat, that's an invitation to then ask them, hey, are you registered to vote?

00:38:43.020 And you would be blown away by how few people are actually registered to vote, have a plan to vote.

00:38:50.340 That's what you're doing at Turning Point Action with the ballot chasing.

00:38:54.140 I mean, we're talking – by the way, people don't understand the scope of the ballot chasing, Charlie.

00:38:58.620 I mean, the potential is hundreds of thousands of ballots across three states.

00:39:02.700 We're talking huge, huge potential, and I know you don't like to talk about that, but I think it's an important piece.

00:39:08.060 Hundreds of thousands of ballots across three states – Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin.

00:39:13.140 There's other people doing great work in Pennsylvania.

00:39:16.000 Georgia's looking solid.

00:39:17.180 But I'm saying this stuff matters because we've been blown away just how few people have a plan to vote in this election, even if they're sympathetic to Donald Trump.

00:39:27.460 And here's the other thing.

00:39:29.260 You've seen indications from guys in pop culture like The Rock.

00:39:33.840 You've seen Cardi B.

00:39:35.900 You've seen other celebrities, Rappaport, Michael Rappaport, who's like TDS patient number one.

00:39:44.760 He's saying he's disappointed.

00:39:46.100 Steven A. Smith.

00:39:47.400 You're seeing all the UFC stars.

00:39:49.020 You're seeing all the rappers.

00:39:50.200 You're seeing this like bubbling up happening.

00:39:52.780 And here's my prediction, that today was the straw that broke the camel's back, and you are going to see a flood of pop culture, people that have had enough, that are going to stand by their principles publicly.

00:40:06.780 They're going to own it, and that stuff on top of everything, on top of the grocery bills, on top of the gas bills, on top of the fact you can't afford a home, all of that stuff is going to add up.

00:40:16.800 And it is going to create a momentum that we have never seen in this movement.

00:40:22.760 Now, here's the caution.

00:40:24.780 The caution is this is still a game about putting ballots in a box.

00:40:30.380 This is still about putting pieces of paper in a month-long span in a box.

00:40:35.160 Advantage Democrats right now.

00:40:36.640 Advantage Democrats.

00:40:37.980 So, yeah, we win the persuasion game.

00:40:40.240 We win the sympathy game.

00:40:42.420 We win the fact that people don't like these tyrants game.

00:40:45.280 We win all of those things, and we're going to win this pop culture bubbling up game.

00:40:51.000 But it's ballots in a box, and they still have us beat on that because they've been ramping it up basically for 20 years.

00:40:57.540 They've had this plan for 20 years, and they executed it flawlessly in 2020.

00:41:01.880 And we're trying to counteract that, but that's why wearing this hat in public, that's why speaking your mind in public is so important right now because there's so much meat on the bone.

00:41:10.620 So many people are not registered to vote yet.

00:41:13.080 We can make a difference.

00:41:13.960 It's this audience right now.

00:41:15.080 We have tens of thousands of people watching.

00:41:17.040 Everybody get out there, start registering one person a day, and that can make all the difference.

00:41:21.620 Just yesterday, I met one of my neighbors, and we got registered.

00:41:25.000 Blake, your thoughts?

00:41:25.940 Well, I'm just – I want to be even more emphatic.

00:41:28.660 This – it is basically a guarantee.

00:41:31.700 The loser of this fall's election will have a number of supporters who supported them, said they liked them, but just didn't vote.

00:41:39.660 And the number of those people will be greater than the amount they lose this election by.

00:41:43.260 This will be the case for either Trump or Biden.

00:41:46.120 Who would you rather it be?

00:41:47.300 See, I think I would rather have it be Biden who that applies to, who has – he could have made it if his supporters turned out, but they just didn't.

00:41:55.360 But instead – like, you see this all the time.

00:41:57.920 You'll see these people who will say, I like Trump, but I'm not going to bother voting because they're just going to rig it.

00:42:03.280 Those are people who want to psychologically – they've psychologically already lost.

00:42:07.960 They think that they can somehow win by not bothering to try, and by not bothering to try, this shows that they aren't letting the regime control them or emotionally manipulate them.

00:42:20.340 Here's what I would say.

00:42:21.840 If the Democrats could just rig the entire thing from top to bottom, they actually wouldn't need to bother throwing Trump in jail.

00:42:28.140 Because why bother?

00:42:29.440 Why make everyone angry?

00:42:30.440 Why put everything at risk when they can just rig the whole thing anyway?

00:42:33.280 They did this because they think they can lose, that they think throwing Trump in jail will somehow help them this fall.

00:42:40.020 And it is our job to make sure that they are incorrect, that this backfires, that this blows up in their face.

00:42:46.020 But you only do that by actually going out to vote and making sure the people you know vote and making sure the ones who are waffling and on the fence and indecisive or just don't – they aren't good at following through on things by making sure that they vote.

00:42:58.760 Make sure that they actually become a piece of paper that goes into the box and counts for one point in the giant high score battle that is a United States election.

00:43:09.220 Well said.

00:43:12.220 And look, we're about to re-welcome Real America's voice here.

00:43:15.040 But it comes down to agency.

00:43:16.600 It comes down to your action.

00:43:18.620 What are you going to do?

00:43:19.780 Donating helps a lot.

00:43:21.100 Be part of the Clipboard Army and get involved at tpaction.com.

00:43:25.580 They are taking your country from you, and they already have. 0.99

00:43:28.880 And when you see Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts, that is a gut punch to the republic, a gut punch to you, to our founding fathers, to the sacrifices that many of you have given to this country.

00:43:41.820 We do not have the best fighting force on the planet to go die and to go risk their lives for this nonsense.

00:43:51.400 Hello, everybody, on Real America's voice as well.

00:43:53.280 We are now joining and combining forces.

00:43:56.060 We are going through the news of the day.

00:43:57.380 Donald Trump guilty on all 34 felony charges.

00:44:01.120 I want to play a couple pieces of tape here.

00:44:02.880 But I want to say you guys can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:44:06.580 And I have a question for the audience here.

00:44:09.160 Does this make you more likely to support Trump?

00:44:11.880 Does this make you?

00:44:12.520 And if the answer is yes, then you must also say, what is my plan of action?

00:44:18.140 What is my to-do list?

00:44:20.300 If every person in this audience said, I am mad as heck and I can't take it anymore, then you have to go find one new voter.

00:44:27.380 You have to go find two new voters.

00:44:29.180 Because as Blake said, the low propensity aspect of what is happening here will determine the 2024 election.

00:44:37.580 This country will be decided, will be saved, or it will be ruined based on how we act and what we do every single day from here on out.

00:44:47.940 That's why we are doing the Detroit-Michigan event, our Turning Point Action People's Conference at tpaction.com.

00:44:54.020 And so I want to go through some of the pieces of tape here.

00:44:56.800 I think it's very, very important.

00:44:58.860 And let's play this right here.

00:45:01.160 Very, very critical. 0.99

00:45:03.420 And we're starting to see these unhinged lunatics. 0.99

00:45:06.840 Let's go here. 0.99

00:45:07.860 Let's go to cut 157.

00:45:12.860 Today, when I was watching Donald Trump's face as the verdict was read, and I was watching as the jury filed out in front of him,

00:45:23.200 I was struck by how not a single one of them, from my vantage point, looked at his face.

00:45:29.000 They either look straight ahead or they look down as they pass by him.

00:45:32.540 I never saw a juror look directly in his eyes.

00:45:36.920 And you have to imagine now what those jurors, you have to wonder what they must be feeling.

00:45:42.420 The weight of getting up and knowing that you have to make this decision alone,

00:45:45.740 how heavy that must have been to get out of bed and to understand that you,

00:45:49.400 a decision that you make could change the course of American history.

00:45:53.540 Who knows how it's going to affect the election, but a decision you make will have some effect.

00:45:59.440 Direct election interference is the effect that it does have.

00:46:05.480 And so today, as we say, this was an attempted judicial and legal assassination.

00:46:12.420 Some of you in the audience remember where you were when you heard the news that they killed JFK.

00:46:17.720 You remember where you were on 9-11.

00:46:20.080 This is an equally as significant day.

00:46:22.860 You will remember the day.

00:46:24.540 You remember what you were doing when you heard the news,

00:46:26.480 because it has never happened before in American history.

00:46:29.440 And you know what the crime truly is? 1.00

00:46:31.520 The crime is that Donald Trump is a class traitor. 1.00

00:46:35.480 Donald Trump is a billionaire who did not play ball. 0.98

00:46:38.320 He's a billionaire that did not go along with the neoliberal agenda,

00:46:41.920 who defected from ways that what he was supposed to do,

00:46:45.200 and instead went to go fight for the everyday American.

00:46:49.300 I want to play another piece of tapir.

00:46:51.320 But first, I want to throw it back to Jack.

00:46:52.760 Before I do, in the audience, you guys can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:46:57.200 And we want to hear from you guys directly, because the audience is fired up, and you should be.

00:47:03.860 Jack, what is the true crime that Donald Trump committed?

00:47:06.640 It's not documents.

00:47:08.000 No, no, no.

00:47:08.320 It's something much more serious. 0.98

00:47:10.060 Donald Trump is a class traitor, and Donald Trump has decided to challenge the bipartisan, uniparty, 0.99

00:47:16.280 kingdom of Washington, D.C., and they want to put him on show trial, and they want him dead because of it. 1.00

00:47:22.320 Jack Posobiec.

00:47:23.920 I'd like to paraphrase Dave Chappelle, what he said on SNL, because I think it really puts it best.

00:47:31.400 What Donald Trump did that's his greatest and most unforgivable sin to the ruling class in this country

00:47:37.420 is that he left the ruling class, and he got up on a stage, and he got up in front of a microphone,

00:47:43.620 and he went to the regular people of America, the people of middle America, the people of the South,

00:47:51.060 the people who are not the bi-coastal elite, and he said to them,

00:47:54.840 you know something?

00:47:57.120 Every single thing you think that's rigged about our system is exactly correct.

00:48:04.280 In fact, it's actually worse.

00:48:06.920 And then, and this is the convincer, because they said, and he said, you know how I know it?

00:48:14.080 Because I was one of the guys in part of the system.

00:48:16.400 I was part of the system, too.

00:48:18.300 I was part of this.

00:48:19.580 I was part of the wheeling and dealing.

00:48:21.540 But now I'm going to fight for you against that system.

00:48:26.480 And we saw this again and again.

00:48:28.600 Look, he took down, which dynasty did he take down first?

00:48:31.680 It wasn't the Clintons.

00:48:32.740 Everybody thinks that.

00:48:33.520 It's not true.

00:48:34.200 It was the Bushes.

00:48:35.100 He goes after the Bushes, and then he goes after the Clintons.

00:48:38.720 And it's to go beyond surface level, and it's beyond the scope of what we're talking about tonight.

00:48:42.260 But you have to understand the power infrastructure that he took on in this country

00:48:48.440 that's represented the Bushes and the oil money and the military-industrial complex,

00:48:55.860 the Clintons and their New York finance, and the Northeastern, the old money, the blue blood money.

00:49:02.040 He took on all of that and all of those systems, and he showed he could win.

00:49:08.660 And that's why, by the way, and just before we go to the next clip, I think it bears a lot of importance.

00:49:14.040 This, I think it was a PBS Marist poll that came out last, well, came out today, but it was taken last week.

00:49:20.440 And it said 67% of voters say a guilty verdict in this case would not affect their vote,

00:49:28.380 with 15% of respondents saying they would even be more likely to vote for Trump if he's convicted.

00:49:34.580 17% said they'd be less likely.

00:49:36.540 So you've got a real situation here where you can see it's galvanizing support among a certain amount of people.

00:49:43.420 And for another amount of people, it isn't really having any net effect on the election to begin with.

00:49:49.240 And that's because, Charlie, quite frankly, I think going into this, people assumed Trump would be found guilty for different reasons, right?

00:49:55.940 The liberals assumed he would be found guilty because they always think he's guilty.

00:49:59.060 And conservatives saw it as the show trial.

00:50:01.820 You're not going to see a big difference.

00:50:03.020 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, one sec, Andrew, I'm going to throw to you in a sec, but one sec.

00:50:05.800 It's very important that Donald Trump got more popular as the trial went on.

00:50:08.860 This was baked in, this is New York, this wasn't a trial in New Orleans, this wasn't a trial in Jackson, Mississippi.

00:50:14.160 This is New York City, one of the most liberal cities on the planet.

00:50:17.600 So let's be very clear about this.

00:50:19.200 This was baked in.

00:50:20.320 And so I want to ask two things very quickly.

00:50:22.700 And I want to ask the audience this, freedom at charliekirk.com, you can email me directly.

00:50:27.100 If they start to see that Donald Trump gets more popular after this, what are they going to do next?

00:50:32.140 Well, Newt Gingrich alluded yesterday that they're going to go to dramatic measures.

00:50:36.980 And I've said this before, that it's troubling to me that this regime has their back up against the wall.

00:50:46.260 Why?

00:50:47.300 You're about to see the most desperate measures of a ruling class that we have seen in our lifetime.

00:50:53.700 Because if this lawfare doesn't work and he raises more money and he gets more popular, play cut 166.

00:51:01.120 How minuscule this crowd was in Philly today?

00:51:05.840 It's like nobody wants to show up. 1.00

00:51:08.380 Well, look, you think the average American is stupid? 0.99

00:51:13.080 I mean, you look at this doddering guy who clearly is only half the time in charge of what he's doing. 1.00

00:51:18.800 You look at his vice president, who may be cognitively fine, but she's just goofy. 0.99

00:51:24.560 And you say to yourself, what is it I'm supposed to get excited by?

00:51:28.640 And then you look at Bidenflation, which is every American experiences every day, every time you go to the grocery store.

00:51:36.940 Every American.

00:51:37.720 So I don't care how many ads the Biden team runs.

00:51:41.300 They're trying to convince the rest of us that the things aren't as bad as we know they are because we're feeling in our pocketbooks.

00:51:48.800 When you have to, if you're a Democrat and you have to go to your base this hard, you are really on the edge of collapse.

00:51:58.680 If you were a comparable deal would be if a Republican had to try to shore up West Virginia.

00:52:02.920 And I think what you're going to see in the next few months is a and it really worries me, frankly, that you're going to see a desperation when they come to realize nothing they're doing is going to work.

00:52:17.600 And they're confronted with the likelihood that Trump's not just going to win.

00:52:22.100 He's going to win big.

00:52:23.440 He's going to take in the Senate and the House.

00:52:25.220 And I think all of us ought to keep Donald Trump in our prayers because I think these people are desperate and I think they're dangerous.

00:52:33.880 I don't disagree.

00:52:35.660 Speaker of the House, Newt King, Rich.

00:52:38.660 Desperate and dangerous.

00:52:40.420 What are they going to try next?

00:52:42.780 In some ways, you almost want this election to be looking closer than not than it is because they might try something dramatic.

00:52:50.520 Andrew, there is an outpouring of support right now.

00:52:53.640 I want to go through this.

00:52:55.480 Sean McGuire donated $300,000 to the Trump campaign.

00:52:58.560 Lee Zeldin just secured an $800,000 donation for Trump's joint fundraising committee.

00:53:02.440 Tim Pool, I have just donated the maximum to Donald Trump.

00:53:04.900 Tucker Carlson says, import the third world, become the third world.

00:53:08.260 We just saw this won't stop Trump.

00:53:09.840 He'll win the election if they don't kill him first and they're going to try. 0.94

00:53:12.720 Megyn Kelly, guilty on all counts, the country should be disgraced. 0.86

00:53:15.540 Scott Adams, I just donated to Trump.

00:53:17.340 The donation page crashed, by the way, crashed multiple times.

00:53:20.180 Tristan Tate, Trump donation page, quote, a question mark link.

00:53:23.540 Pierce Morgan, Trump's donation websites are crashing.

00:53:26.280 My guess is the verdict will propel him back into the White House.

00:53:28.960 And also, we talked about this, Andrew.

00:53:30.680 We had a great day with our ballot chasing program today.

00:53:32.860 Talk about this.

00:53:33.420 Yeah, so add this to the list.

00:53:36.560 Jack Posobiec announced on this show he max donated.

00:53:40.480 And then after this list that you just read, Tristan Tate has now announced that he has donated $200,000 to the campaign.

00:53:50.300 And breaking right here on this show, Turning Point Action's ballot chase initiative.

00:53:55.880 And remind you, we are working directly in coordination with the Trump campaign.

00:54:02.660 That's a new FEC rule and regulation.

00:54:05.400 Charlie, I don't want to get over my skis there.

00:54:07.380 But it's an extension.

00:54:08.260 We're allowed to work in harmony on doors and canvassing.

00:54:10.780 That's what the law says.

00:54:11.840 So those coordination efforts, right, three states, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, we're hiring hundreds of full-time staff chasing tons and tons of ballots, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in those states could be determined.

00:54:26.800 It's a huge, huge undertaking.

00:54:28.900 We have this today, after the verdict, over a million dollars raised.

00:54:33.440 Charlie, this is definitely your wheelhouse here.

00:54:39.960 I mean, I venture to guess you've never had it like at least this easy, this direct, this unsolicited at Turning Point in the history of the organization.

00:54:49.540 Massive momentum.

00:54:51.040 No, and it's people that the incoming is absolutely unbelievable of people that are traditionally center-right moderate donors asking, where do I donate?

00:54:58.460 How do I donate?

00:54:59.160 Where do I donate?

00:54:59.680 In fact, we had a billionaire that we asked for money a couple weeks ago.

00:55:03.980 He said, I don't know.

00:55:04.800 I'm not on the Trump thing.

00:55:05.800 He just contacted one of our team members.

00:55:07.420 He said, so how do I make a contribution to Turning Point Action?

00:55:10.800 Happened literally this afternoon.

00:55:14.360 I'm still getting people.

00:55:15.600 I say, Charlie, can you call me?

00:55:16.600 Charlie, can you call me?

00:55:17.420 My entire day tomorrow is hosting the show.

00:55:19.700 All afternoon is going to be raising capital.

00:55:22.000 And by the way, we are going to have hundreds of full-time ballot chases.

00:55:24.480 We already have a huge amount here in Arizona.

00:55:26.960 And we're hiring it up in Wisconsin, expanding into Michigan.

00:55:29.280 And this is why we did the work for the entire year to scale up, to get ready for this.

00:55:34.760 And this, I cannot emphasize this enough.

00:55:37.320 And I know we're going to say goodbye to Real America's Voice in just a second here.

00:55:40.160 Take this as conviction to go work.

00:55:44.820 Do something about it.

00:55:46.080 Get involved in your local GOP.

00:55:47.500 Show up at our Turning Point Action event because Donald Trump, it's not about Trump.

00:55:52.080 He is the champion of our movement, our populist, nationalist movement of disparate, different

00:56:00.560 backgrounds, multi-ethnic, multi-generational to consolidate together to take back this great

00:56:08.120 country.

00:56:08.760 So, tpaction.com.

00:56:10.800 That is tpaction.com.

00:56:12.020 If you guys want to get tickets to that, get involved in the grassroots.

00:56:14.940 Keep on fighting.

00:56:16.020 It's more important than ever.

00:56:17.760 This is the time.

00:56:18.500 This is an opportunity.

00:56:19.360 And what a message it would send to these people that tried so much to try to quiet you

00:56:26.320 and silence you and shut up Trump to win in November.

00:56:30.140 And victory is possible.

00:56:31.740 Victory is possible. 0.76

00:56:32.960 And a legacy to leave your children and to defeat these savage maniacs.

00:56:36.660 Do something about it.

00:56:37.460 Blake, you have a thought.

00:56:38.900 Well, Charlie, that was all an inspiring speech.

00:56:41.780 That was all, I'm sure a lot of people liked it.

00:56:43.960 But have you considered this message?

00:56:47.120 This was just posted by Ambassador John Bolton, formerly of the Trump administration.

00:56:52.860 Today's verdict is a fire bell in the night.

00:56:55.920 The Republican Party now has one last chance to change course and not nominate a convicted

00:57:05.360 felon for president.

00:57:12.180 I'm sure he was making that sound when he made that tweet.

00:57:14.740 Going to jail, John.

00:57:16.720 He's going to jail, John. 0.74

00:57:18.160 And I am going to personally shave your mustache.

00:57:21.400 Correction. 0.99

00:57:21.740 I'm going to personally handcuff you and lather you up with shaving cream and shave it with 0.97

00:57:27.980 a straight razor. 0.98

00:57:32.040 I endorse.

00:57:35.520 It's just unbelievable.

00:57:37.240 These weirdos.

00:57:38.420 I mean, you know what J.D. Vance said in response?

00:57:40.740 He said, John Bolton has finally found a war that he doesn't want to engage in.

00:57:45.420 Exactly.

00:57:46.240 It's so good.

00:57:47.360 Retreat.

00:57:48.140 Run away.

00:57:48.840 It's not a war.

00:57:49.420 It's not a war overseas.

00:57:50.580 It's a war that actually affects American people.

00:57:52.540 Of course.

00:57:53.320 It's actually, I mean, John Bolton has total contempt for the American people.

00:57:56.640 Look, you have to understand, neocons are Trotskyites that want to bring transformational

00:58:01.680 Marxist ideas via missiles and via regime change because they have deeply troubled personal

00:58:08.500 lives. 0.98

00:58:09.000 These are maniacs. 1.00

00:58:09.900 These are really perverse and sick people. 1.00

00:58:12.600 You know exactly who I'm talking about. 0.98

00:58:13.920 I'm talking about the people that have destroyed this country through neoconservative type ideas

00:58:18.280 and policies.

00:58:19.420 And that, remember, Donald Trump was kind of a laughingstock unless, until he went after

00:58:24.420 Donald, until he went after Bush.

00:58:26.340 I want to play this.

00:58:27.140 I think it's important.

00:58:27.720 Hey, Ryan, do we still have that piece of tape here that we cut earlier?

00:58:30.560 I think we did with Dave Smith.

00:58:32.080 I think this is very, very important to go back in history because the Bush junta, the Bush 0.98

00:58:37.400 junta, John L. Ellis Bush from George H.W. Bush when he was alive to George W. Bush,

00:58:42.800 they are now working in tandem with the ruling class regime, and they are applauding what

00:58:46.840 is happening here.

00:58:47.900 It's cut 142 that we had on radio earlier today.

00:58:51.420 This was when the game changed.

00:58:53.880 When Donald Trump did this, he went from a laughingstock to kind of like a guy leading in

00:58:58.620 the polls to all of a sudden in existential threats to the status quo of the kingdom of

00:59:05.800 Washington, D.C.

00:59:06.780 This was the clip that changed everything.

00:59:10.040 It happened in South Carolina, play cut 142.

00:59:13.840 Obviously, the war in Iraq was a big, fat mistake. 0.88

00:59:18.420 All right?

00:59:19.000 Now, you can take it any way you want.

00:59:20.980 And it took Jeb Bush, if you remember, at the beginning of his announcement, when he

00:59:25.920 announced for president, took him five days.

00:59:28.300 He went back.

00:59:28.980 It was a mistake.

00:59:29.960 It wasn't a mistake.

00:59:30.660 It took him five days before his people told him what to say.

00:59:34.820 And he ultimately said it was a mistake.

00:59:37.340 The war in Iraq, we spent $2 trillion, thousands of lives.

00:59:41.280 We don't even have it.

00:59:42.560 Iran is taking over Iraq with the second largest oil reserves in the world.

00:59:46.800 Obviously, it was a mistake.

00:59:48.360 So George Bush made a mistake.

00:59:50.700 We can make mistakes.

00:59:51.780 But that one was a beauty.

00:59:53.020 And he went on to even say that George Bush might have also been responsible for 9-11.

00:59:59.940 Andrew, talk about this.

01:00:01.740 This was the original sin of Donald Trump.

01:00:05.480 Not him running.

01:00:06.700 As soon as he went after the Bush family and humiliated them and called out the neocolonialist

01:00:12.740 internationalist project of invade the world, invite the world, Donald Trump went from a

01:00:17.620 comedy to a threat.

01:00:19.520 And today is just yet another chapter in their attempted eradication.

01:00:24.940 Liz Cheney, January 6th committee, George W. Bush with all of his cronies, John Bolton.

01:00:29.660 His crime is disagreeing with them and calling out their foreign policy war crimes.

01:00:34.520 Andrew.

01:00:35.640 Yeah, I mean, it really was a before and after moment.

01:00:38.760 There was it was dogma within the conservative side of the aisle to defend our actions in Iraq

01:00:45.500 until he went on that stage and said the unsayable.

01:00:48.620 And, yeah, I mean, I think he's had a target on his back ever since.

01:00:52.100 People need to understand how much money is going through the military industrial complex.

01:00:56.800 Think about this, Charlie.

01:00:57.960 This is this is the one tell.

01:00:59.900 Right.

01:01:00.400 So we end the war in Afghanistan.

01:01:03.000 Total humiliation.

01:01:04.300 Joe Biden botched the thing from start to finish.

01:01:06.360 And really, Donald Trump was the one that set up the ability to leave.

01:01:12.120 And then Joe Biden botched it.

01:01:13.760 And Joe Biden did it on 9-11.

01:01:15.320 He thought it was going to be a big PR win, a big political boost.

01:01:19.140 It was anything but.

01:01:20.780 His poll numbers have never recovered.

01:01:23.060 But guess what happened?

01:01:24.140 As soon as we did that, we found another forever war to finance indefinitely.

01:01:29.300 Another endless quagmire in a far, far away land.

01:01:33.980 Why?

01:01:34.640 Because the military industrial contractors needed the money to keep going.

01:01:39.740 And so and you mentioned J.D. Vance.

01:01:41.720 You mentioned J.D. Vance.

01:01:43.280 You know, he's he's sounding the alarm that that we can't even keep up with it.

01:01:46.780 You know, with the demand that's going out the door, all this says is that the the the supply and demand will continue funneling money into the pockets of the oligarchy that is desperate for more war.

01:02:01.060 Yes.

01:02:01.660 And I want to throw it to Jack really quick.

01:02:03.820 But this is very important that, again, the high crime you can commit against the ruling class is challenge their war crimes. 0.53

01:02:11.640 And today their conviction.

01:02:13.800 Why are they so afraid that Trump might not be president?

01:02:16.780 There were no new wars.

01:02:18.040 He might end the Russian-Ukraine war.

01:02:19.880 He might bring stability in the Middle East because he did it in the first term. 0.95

01:02:22.840 Jack Posobiec.

01:02:24.660 So there's a story that's totally going to get overshadowed today.

01:02:29.020 And it interesting timing.

01:02:31.880 You know, what can I say?

01:02:32.660 Just very interesting timing.

01:02:33.860 Also, the fact that the Supreme Court's immunity ruling is coming down pretty soon that we hear just very interesting timing all around the story that we shouldn't overlook.

01:02:41.680 And the fact that we're talking about the very subject is that even the New York Times reported this morning that the Biden administration has now authorized Ukraine to use American weapons to conduct strikes on the territory of Russia.

01:02:57.380 So that doesn't mean these areas that they're currently fighting over.

01:03:01.480 It doesn't mean areas where they're, you know, where they have this dispute over, you know, is it annexed?

01:03:07.660 Is it Russian or is it Ukraine?

01:03:09.640 But Russia proper will now be attacked by U.S. missiles, potentially U.S. drones, other material that the United States has supplied.

01:03:20.960 And they specifically have been talking about these early warning radars.

01:03:24.920 They're going to be attacking Russia proper. 0.95

01:03:27.120 So the question is, how is the Kremlin going to respond to something like that?

01:03:31.140 They're bringing us to brinksmanship right now, today, and potentially being willing to actually escalate this proxy war that we're in into an actual hot war, all with the reason being that they know Donald Trump is coming back.

01:03:47.180 And they don't, they desperately don't want to stop what Andrew was just saying, the gravy train that they have going on, possibly, they would be willing to actually even start a wider war, start a wider war with Russia so that if Trump comes in, that, you know, suddenly that if he's calling for peace and calling for, you know, an end to the conflict, they'll say, oh, he's a traitor.

01:04:09.060 This is all Russia's fault. 1.00

01:04:10.560 He's against America, et cetera, et cetera.

01:04:12.740 But we can see which side is escalating this at this point.

01:04:15.300 We can see it, Biden to allow Ukraine to use U.S. weapons to strike inside Russia.

01:04:20.040 Again, this is the largest nuclear power on the face of the planet.

01:04:24.180 It is complete insanity, and we have let these people run.

01:04:28.120 We essentially, look, Joe Biden isn't actually running our government.

01:04:31.940 Our government, Joe Biden is the CEO, the docile, weak, effete, overaged CEO of an organization that's being completely run by the dependors in the HR department.

01:04:46.300 I want to play a piece of tape here.

01:04:48.040 You guys can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:04:50.680 This is from CNN, talking about this verdict is uniting Republicans like never before.

01:04:55.360 This is thought crime, so we have to – Blake, do you want to narrate that little chart that I sent?

01:05:00.520 Donate to Trump versus a certain Google chat chart.

01:05:03.720 I think it's hilarious.

01:05:05.300 So that one right here, the one I just sent.

01:05:07.900 So Google Trends will track what is being Googled.

01:05:11.640 Google Trends.

01:05:13.420 Google Trends is meeting – it's beating, like, biology.

01:05:18.580 Beating – biology is one way of putting it.

01:05:21.240 You could also say it's beating beating, if you catch the pun there.

01:05:25.120 Yeah, so normally, boobs is a popular search term on Google. 0.90

01:05:30.800 People like to look up chesticles on the internet.

01:05:33.960 And so you can see – if you look at the chart on the screen, the red line is boobs, popular search term.

01:05:41.900 Rises during the day, falls during the evening.

01:05:44.880 And so it had a pretty good day on the 29th and early this morning.

01:05:48.880 But today, today, donate to Trump rocketed past this extremely popular search term.

01:05:55.700 More than – looks like it about tripled it in popularity at its peak.

01:06:00.220 And it's fallen off.

01:06:01.520 They're about even right now.

01:06:03.400 What can I say?

01:06:04.180 It is a popular search term.

01:06:06.420 But it very much upset the internet.

01:06:08.960 A lot of people wanted to donate to Trump after today's events.

01:06:11.380 And, yeah, he's beating the natural design, beating biology, you could say.

01:06:19.360 So, look, this is very important.

01:06:21.040 And, by the way, we're getting tons of emails of people that are emailing us, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:06:24.800 Go to tpaction.com slash peoples if you guys want to join us in Detroit, Michigan.

01:06:29.600 That is tpaction.com slash peoples.

01:06:32.220 It is going to matter more than ever what we do with our agency, how we act,

01:06:38.940 and what – honestly, what we're able to – the difference we're able to make in the states we live in.

01:06:44.200 Let's play cut 169.

01:06:46.480 Well, if my phone and the text messages I'm receiving are any indication,

01:06:51.500 every Republican in the country is mad or no way to him.

01:06:54.000 I mean, people who are decidedly non-MAGA, not Trump fans, are blowing up tonight saying, 0.75

01:06:59.800 this case never should have been brought, this is ridiculous charges,

01:07:03.440 it was egregious use of the criminal justice system.

01:07:06.240 And, I mean, I'm hearing people say, I had no intention of voting for Donald Trump, and now I am.

01:07:10.400 And then if you ask the Trump campaign what's happening,

01:07:12.660 you know, they literally broke their online donation portal because people were rushing to the Internet

01:07:17.700 to give them money in the minutes after the verdict.

01:07:19.640 So I think there's a real chance here it's going to massively backfire on the Democrats and help Donald Trump.

01:07:27.060 I want to read this email that we received from an immigrant from Eastern Europe.

01:07:32.500 As a young child, just six years old, I vividly remember the joy and love my parents expressed about living in America.

01:07:37.280 I remember the pride we took in becoming an American citizen.

01:07:39.300 I remember the day I signed my name on the papers.

01:07:41.560 America was a beacon and was so good to us.

01:07:43.900 A hope and example for the rest of the world.

01:07:45.600 Maybe when you're born here, you take it for granted.

01:07:47.120 But when you work so hard through the legal system for a visa, a green card, eventually citizenship,

01:07:51.660 it's something you don't forget.

01:07:52.880 You treasure it, and it's deeply personal.

01:07:55.000 So what does a day like this feel like?

01:07:56.480 How does an immigrant feel? 0.96

01:07:57.600 Well, it's all the more crushing.

01:07:59.660 The land that you love with all that's in you, it hurts so much more.

01:08:03.180 This is bigger than politics and presidents.

01:08:05.420 It means the land you love is no longer the refuge from the land that you left.

01:08:09.180 When you quite literally leave everything behind except a suitcase

01:08:11.600 because you believe that America would never fall to the levels of your former home did,

01:08:15.600 it's soul crushing.

01:08:16.580 It's raw, and it's real agony.

01:08:19.160 The more we love, the more we hurt.

01:08:21.140 Immigrants hurt more for America more because our love runs deep,

01:08:25.600 and we know what's on the other side.

01:08:27.520 We've lived it, and we've seen it, and today we hurt hard because we know what's coming.

01:08:31.740 Today we mourn, and tomorrow we fight.

01:08:36.420 TPaction.com.

01:08:38.080 Andrew, what are we seeing here?

01:08:39.960 What is the general reaction?

01:08:40.980 This is not the vibe shift that the Democrats would have expected.

01:08:46.100 I do not see joyous celebration unless I see in the fringes of the Democrat circles.

01:08:51.460 This seems to be bipartisan.

01:08:54.440 This seems to be across the board.

01:08:56.860 I want to say bipartisan, but at least with independents,

01:08:59.600 this is not going well for the Democrats.

01:09:01.600 Andrew.

01:09:07.040 I can't hear Andrew right now.

01:09:08.620 Andrew, you're muted for whatever reason.

01:09:10.740 Charlie, sorry about that.

01:09:12.240 If the National Review is any indication, Rich Lowry, who is the editor of the National Review,

01:09:20.020 famous anti-Trump, never-Trump website, they famously had that one cover with all the names

01:09:25.980 of conservative influencers that some people on this show will never forgive or forget.

01:09:31.960 But in 2016, he's got it up on the top of the website.

01:09:37.560 Yes, it was rigged by Rich Lowry.

01:09:41.160 And it's basically saying this trial was rigged from start to finish,

01:09:46.380 and it was rigged to rig an election, all by Rich Lowry.

01:09:51.340 This is, to put it mildly, you don't see pro-Trump anything on this website.

01:09:57.800 Even the National Review, who are the most moderate of voices,

01:10:03.240 and they like to consider themselves the smart kids, the cool kids,

01:10:06.600 and immune from the MAGA cult, if you will,

01:10:10.340 they think this is a travesty of justice.

01:10:14.360 So I think when we talk about how this is uniting the right,

01:10:18.160 you've got the Nikki Haley wing that is uniting with the far-right MAGA,

01:10:24.840 whatever you want to call them, the MAGA extremists.

01:10:27.580 Obviously, I use those terms in jest, but that's what's happening right now.

01:10:31.960 Everybody's on the same page except for like Meghan McCain.

01:10:34.860 Meghan McCain and John Bolton.

01:10:36.980 That's all I've seen.

01:10:38.280 Literally the two voices that you would consider right-leaning that are happy today.

01:10:43.880 Everybody else is really sad for the country.

01:10:46.360 So Blake, really quick, people are asking questions on logistics of sentencing.

01:10:51.740 So walk us through the details here, Blake.

01:10:53.780 July 11th sentencing, right before the RNC, where we're going to be in Milwaukee for that.

01:10:58.700 We're going to be there the whole week.

01:10:59.940 Walk us through the logistics of sentencing.

01:11:02.400 Could Donald Trump end up in a prison cell before the election?

01:11:05.900 What are the details here?

01:11:07.640 Let's try to not speculate.

01:11:08.940 Just lay out the facts because the audience is asking, asking, asking.

01:11:12.000 Lay it all out for us.

01:11:12.860 Okay, well, so as you say, they've set the hearing for sentencing on July 11th.

01:11:19.020 That's just before the RNC.

01:11:23.160 Now, that is the date set by the judge.

01:11:25.520 I suppose, in theory, he could be petitioned to move it a little bit one way or the other.

01:11:30.600 What Donald Trump was convicted of is a felony.

01:11:32.740 So the amount of time he could be sentenced to, off the top of my head, I want to say it's one to four years.

01:11:38.460 It might be one to five.

01:11:39.440 It's not really over five.

01:11:41.660 In theory, I guess he could be, like, given a separate sentence for each of these.

01:11:45.400 That would be unfathomably insane, I think.

01:11:48.200 It's much more along the lines of they would all be stacked concurrently because they're all for the same thing.

01:11:52.580 He would appeal, I assume, I assume Trump would appeal this.

01:11:57.900 It would be pretty reasonable that they would stay the actual incarceration pending the appeal.

01:12:06.160 That would be common for a case like this.

01:12:09.700 Now, nothing is absolute.

01:12:11.960 It's possible the judge could try to throw him in jail sooner.

01:12:15.340 It's possible the prosecution could argue that this should happen.

01:12:19.580 In theory, it's even possible they could order him to be incarcerated pending the actual sentencing.

01:12:25.880 That is all possible.

01:12:27.680 Currently, it hasn't happened, and I highly doubt they would do this.

01:12:30.800 I think they would sense that this would blow up in their face.

01:12:33.440 So I guess a way of putting this is it is a bit uncertain what they will actually try to do.

01:12:38.440 My guess is they will make the calculation they should not push their luck and try to aggressively put him in jail as soon as possible.

01:12:46.820 And if it follows a normal course, appeals wouldn't be decided until after the election.

01:12:51.980 Got it.

01:12:52.600 That's super helpful.

01:12:54.140 Subscribe to our podcast here, everybody.

01:12:55.980 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:12:59.240 And I want to welcome back.

01:13:00.940 I think we now are on Real America's Voice, if I'm not mistaken.

01:13:04.440 We are now merged with Real America's Voice.

01:13:06.680 Hello, everybody.

01:13:07.260 Again, as we transition back in, this is a historic day.

01:13:11.240 This is an attempted legal and judicial assassination.

01:13:14.260 And it's you that they are going after.

01:13:16.020 It is you.

01:13:17.280 It is the everyday American that they are going after.

01:13:22.380 And it's because your value system is a threat to the kingdom.

01:13:27.060 They do not want the commoner, the everyday American, to have a voice.

01:13:31.360 They do not want you to have a seat at the table.

01:13:33.420 And Trump brings you into the room.

01:13:36.640 And they have been relentlessly going after us.

01:13:41.540 It is a dark day.

01:13:43.080 But it's what we do with today that will actually matter.

01:13:47.720 What we do with today will matter.

01:13:50.180 And it's going to use our agency and our purpose.

01:13:52.200 And so make sure you guys join us in Detroit, Michigan.

01:13:54.540 Joining us now is Steve Bannon.

01:13:56.200 Steve, thank you for joining our program here.

01:13:59.260 We're also going live on Real America's Voice.

01:14:01.200 Steve, your reaction to this historic day?

01:14:03.040 Well, it's much like yours, Charlie.

01:14:06.880 We've got a lot to, you know, we've got to get very focused.

01:14:12.000 This is only going to be won by the Trump base.

01:14:17.100 We've got, you know, a lot of work to do.

01:14:19.460 And people should just channel their anger and some despair.

01:14:22.680 If they've got despair, just get focused.

01:14:24.440 We've got to, we have, you know, this to overcome.

01:14:28.000 But we also are going to be inundated by the donor class and the rhinos and the neocons and the neoliberals. 0.69

01:14:35.840 You already see it on Twitter.

01:14:37.400 You already see donors talking about trying to force somebody on the ticket here and try to, you know, trying to, you know, not let Trump be Trump.

01:14:45.220 So it's a testing moment.

01:14:46.800 I actually think it's going to be very positive.

01:14:49.020 I think people see what a kangaroo court this is and what a show trial this is.

01:14:53.440 So I expect very good things out of our audience and our people.

01:14:57.000 And I think it's tonight.

01:14:58.580 Immerse yourself in Michael Cohen, you know, taking a victory lap on MSNBC and being held up as an American hero.

01:15:05.660 And you should embrace that and immerse yourself in it.

01:15:08.300 And then let's go to work tomorrow morning.

01:15:10.960 Going to work is the most important thing.

01:15:13.860 And understanding why they hate him.

01:15:16.320 And, Steve, you are the best at this.

01:15:17.940 What is Donald Trump's true crime?

01:15:19.240 It's not some documents thing. 1.00

01:15:20.680 No, Donald Trump is a class traitor. 0.98

01:15:22.160 Donald Trump is an ideological traitor because he challenged, as you would say, the easy money regime, the internationalist adventurous wards. 0.98

01:15:30.560 So, Steve, what is Donald Trump's actual crime here? 0.92

01:15:33.260 It's not documents.

01:15:34.140 What is it?

01:15:35.860 No, he's a class traitor of the neoliberal neocons and the progressive left, the globalist in New York City and Manhattan.

01:15:44.200 That he went in first as a guy from Queens and upended the apple cart about how you actually get buildings made.

01:15:49.720 And then as a media figure and a guy who came back from some pretty tough times in the real estate market.

01:15:58.600 And then he became a class traitor.

01:16:00.160 He was an insider.

01:16:01.380 They all said when he first started running, this was all to get a better deal on The Apprentice.

01:16:05.220 You remember back then, Charlie.

01:16:06.480 We would get beat up every day for being Trump supporters.

01:16:10.180 And here we are. 1.00

01:16:10.800 He's a class traitor. 0.94

01:16:11.900 He has allowed working class people. 0.93

01:16:13.800 He has allowed the people at Wildwood, New Jersey, on the Bodega Run, in South Bronx, when he went to Charlotte, the Coca-Cola 600.

01:16:23.920 He's allowed those four groups to come together and actually be in the room and take control of this country once again. 0.99

01:16:30.880 He's a traitor to those people and he must be destroyed. 1.00

01:16:34.160 He must be destroyed. 1.00

01:16:35.260 The movement around him must be destroyed. 0.92

01:16:36.920 So, hey, for me, I think it's great.

01:16:38.880 It's a time for testing.

01:16:40.420 Here's what I know.

01:16:41.680 We cannot lose if we don't quit.

01:16:44.860 If we keep grinding and grinding and grinding, they can't beat us.

01:16:49.140 And right now you see, and I think the lawyer you just had on is terrific.

01:16:52.640 They're going to try to throw Trump in jail for a couple of years.

01:16:55.620 They obviously set the sentencing right before the Republican convention.

01:16:59.380 You can already see the John Boltons of the world and a lot of the donors and a lot of the runners, you know, already they're trying to force.

01:17:06.920 The big event here is going to be trying to force Nikki Haley on the ticket as his prime minister and saying they're going to need the stability of Nikki Haley. 0.86

01:17:15.740 So we've got a lot of fights.

01:17:17.560 And tomorrow morning I think people have got to be very focused and just grind this.

01:17:21.920 This is going to be voter registration.

01:17:23.340 This is going to be, you know, all the ballot chasing you're talking about, Charlie, all the get out the vote, people signing up as election judges, election, you know, election officials.

01:17:34.620 We're going to grind this one out.

01:17:36.100 But you look at the polls.

01:17:37.300 I think more of the nation is going to come to our side.

01:17:39.520 But you have to be a force multiplier to explain exactly what went on here and why they need to take Trump down.

01:17:45.860 I actually think it's a very sad day for America.

01:17:49.500 But in one regard, it's a very it's a very good day.

01:17:51.880 It's like the 2020 steal.

01:17:53.320 It puts everything on the table and everything's very clear now.

01:17:56.300 There's no middle ground here.

01:17:57.740 It's either our way to save this constitutional republic and to hand on the future generations what was bequeathed to us.

01:18:03.900 Are you going to live in a neo-Marxist, Stalinist type of country?

01:18:08.080 You see how they roll.

01:18:09.500 And it can't be clear.

01:18:10.660 So I think in regards, it's actually good because it clarifies.

01:18:14.800 It clarifies.

01:18:15.660 I want to throw to Jack here, by the way, in the audience.

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01:18:26.460 We're doing all of our shows.

01:18:27.840 Steve is doing his show.

01:18:28.940 We're doing our show.

01:18:29.760 A show of force for Donald Trump.

01:18:31.740 Show up in major numbers here.

01:18:33.280 Jack, you have some thoughts.

01:18:36.000 Yes, Steve.

01:18:37.000 You know, when we put together this book on a communist revolution, people said, why are you why are you putting together something like this?

01:18:43.260 And I said, because that's what we're living through.

01:18:45.100 And there were times where people, you know, even pushed back on that.

01:18:48.800 And then all of a sudden, I've experienced this.

01:18:51.880 Charlie's experienced this so far in the last 24 hours or so.

01:18:55.040 And I wanted to see if you'd experienced this as well.

01:18:57.380 That a lot of the GOP consultant class types and the fundraiser types and the Hill apparatchik types are texting me saying, oh, my gosh.

01:19:06.380 I couldn't believe that this happened.

01:19:08.300 I'm so stunned.

01:19:09.340 I never believed they would actually find him guilty.

01:19:11.760 Steve, why are there so many people in the professional Republican class that didn't see this coming?

01:19:18.220 Because they're not engaged.

01:19:21.400 They're not engaged at all.

01:19:22.580 They're at a very superficial level.

01:19:24.040 This is one of the this is when you control opposition.

01:19:26.960 You don't have to be down in the trenches.

01:19:29.440 Anybody that spent a second on this knew this day was coming and they knew there were going to be 34 charges and they knew exactly how they were going to spin it.

01:19:36.740 They knew how Rachel Maddow was going to do it.

01:19:38.360 They knew how Andrew Weissman was going to do it.

01:19:40.440 They knew how Tish James was going to do it all the way from Jamie Raskin to Arizona, to Michigan, to Georgia, to what's happening in South Florida, to what's happening on the Supreme Court. 0.82

01:19:50.420 Now, if you're in this fight, it's very obvious what happened.

01:19:54.460 It's also obvious how we get out of here.

01:19:56.600 The people that text you that I can't believe this happened.

01:19:59.420 They don't matter.

01:20:00.980 All they are is a bunch of hangers on.

01:20:02.800 OK, all they are is hangers on.

01:20:04.220 They're not in this fight with any passion.

01:20:06.400 They're not in this fight with any courage.

01:20:08.100 They're not in this fight with any spirit or any soul. 0.99

01:20:11.480 And to hell with them. 0.87

01:20:13.000 All they're going to do now is run around and whine and cry and say, you need the Nikki Haley's work. 1.00

01:20:17.800 We don't need any of those people.

01:20:19.480 They don't have it.

01:20:20.060 They're not going to have an option not to vote for Trump because they're not going to vote for it.

01:20:24.060 To vote for the other side means they wouldn't get a job at all.

01:20:27.120 If the Republican Party listens up here, we got a way to victory.

01:20:31.040 And that way to victory is pure MAGA.

01:20:33.340 This is going to take a fight.

01:20:34.740 And only MAGA fights.

01:20:35.960 Only MAGA's got the guts, the backbone.

01:20:38.100 Right.

01:20:38.540 The BDE to get this done.

01:20:40.900 And right now it's going to be a time of testing.

01:20:42.760 And these rhinos just got to get out of the way. 1.00

01:20:44.380 Hold our beer.

01:20:45.680 Let us get it done.

01:20:46.500 Because I'm going to tell you, their pressure to basically de-Trumpify the second term,

01:20:52.720 to get more consultants around him, to get more pollsters around him,

01:20:56.540 to let the McCarthys come back, 0.99

01:20:58.180 and to get Nikki Haley on the ticket as prime minister is going to be overwhelming.

01:21:01.700 That's why I think the People's Convention next week, it couldn't be – it will be historic just given the timing

01:21:07.960 because there's going to be a ton of throwdowns there.

01:21:10.480 Right now we've got to fight against the neoliberal neocons as we also have to go against these globalist elitists

01:21:16.960 that are trying to steal our country. 0.85

01:21:18.760 And look, it's a fight I like.

01:21:20.460 I look at the math.

01:21:21.600 I like who's on our side of the football.

01:21:23.120 And I know we can – if we don't quit, we're going to win.

01:21:27.380 That's exactly right.

01:21:29.100 So, Jack, Jack's really quick.

01:21:30.140 I just want to reiterate, and then I'll throw it, Jack.

01:21:31.540 Get your tickets to the People's Convention, tpaction.com slash peoples.

01:21:34.840 Back to you, Jack.

01:21:36.820 Steve, what do you think the next move for Trump should be?

01:21:39.900 Should he lay low?

01:21:40.960 Should he do another rally?

01:21:42.420 We know there's this press conference tomorrow,

01:21:44.480 but there's a couple of weeks between now and the People's Convention.

01:21:48.040 What do you think his next move should be from a political campaign standpoint?

01:21:53.460 Well, first off, I think he's got to go out – I would like to have seen a press conference tonight,

01:21:58.300 but he's going to do it tomorrow at 11 o'clock while we're covering that live.

01:22:01.760 I think he's got to come out, make his case, and say that he is more focused than ever.

01:22:06.960 Talk about what Charlie just talked about, the political assassination, why this is a persecution.

01:22:11.340 Make that case.

01:22:12.540 And then I think – what I think before a rally, I think he's got to sit down with his campaign and the –

01:22:17.340 I'll be brutally frank.

01:22:19.060 I don't see a campaign.

01:22:20.360 I don't see a campaign in the states.

01:22:21.860 I really don't see a campaign in the campaign.

01:22:24.040 What I see is people like Gavin Wax and Fish Bureau coming up with these amazing events in the New York City area.

01:22:30.640 What do you think – I think he has to do is – what is – he has to have a very serious strategy meeting,

01:22:36.640 and I think it ought to be tomorrow afternoon, right, and say, okay, exactly.

01:22:40.320 Walk me through in detail where we stand at the state levels, and I want to know where we stand on voter registration.

01:22:46.820 I want to know where we stand on get out the vote.

01:22:48.900 I want to know where we stand with ballot chasing.

01:22:51.360 I want to know – but specifically district by district, these 25 major districts, where do we stand with their mail-in ballots?

01:22:58.820 Where do we stand with election officials?

01:23:00.460 Where do we stand with lawsuits?

01:23:01.860 Where do we stand with all this?

01:23:03.760 And it ought to be the RNC and his campaign.

01:23:05.560 It's time to get focused now.

01:23:07.120 I mean, we have to be maniacally focused.

01:23:09.300 There is not a minute to waste between now and then.

01:23:12.700 He does that, and then I think you do some rallies, but I also think you ought to do some town halls, right?

01:23:17.580 And I don't think we need to have a lot of people in the streets.

01:23:20.600 I don't think – you know, people call me at night.

01:23:22.040 We ought to have bus tours.

01:23:24.580 That's just fine.

01:23:25.420 People are motivated enough.

01:23:26.940 And if they're not motivated by this, they're not going to be motivated.

01:23:29.420 We need serious people.

01:23:30.960 What you guys have been doing at Turning Point USA, and I hope we hash this out next week at the People's Convention.

01:23:36.820 That's why I think it's so timely in the workshops of town.

01:23:39.640 It is now whoever works the hardest, whoever is the most focused, whoever is relentless and will not give up is who's going to win in November.

01:23:49.040 And right now, I think we have the passionate people.

01:23:51.300 I know my phone's blowing up from people that want to volunteer, that people want to get to work.

01:23:55.060 It's not about writing checks.

01:23:56.380 The money is not going to win this.

01:23:58.460 Elbow grease and manpower and spirit is going to win it.

01:24:01.960 So I think we just get – channel all that energy, channel all that anxiety, channel all that despair, and just channel it into work, work, work.

01:24:10.460 If we don't quit, we use our agency, and we're action, action, action, we're going to win this fight.

01:24:15.920 Final thoughts here, Steve.

01:24:17.780 This is an unusual question, but I think it's important.

01:24:20.580 I think this will be a net positive if we allow it to be won.

01:24:23.500 What are major errors that could be done?

01:24:26.220 The Uniparty trying to weaken our movement, infiltration.

01:24:29.780 Give us a threat analysis here of things we should be looking out on the horizon of how we could fumble this because this very well is trending as if it's going to be a positive.

01:24:40.780 Final thoughts, Steve.

01:24:42.540 It could be verbal.

01:24:43.660 Number one, for ourselves, for MAGA, for the POSSEC, for the deplorables. 0.93

01:24:48.620 Don't get off key.

01:24:50.120 This is all still – we knew this day was coming, what Jack Masovic said.

01:24:54.140 This does not surprise us.

01:24:55.700 We are not shocked.

01:24:57.080 We are not sitting there in the fetal position or sucking on a thumb.

01:25:00.220 We knew this was going to happen.

01:25:01.820 They've got three things.

01:25:02.660 They have lawfare, they have the big steal, and they have wag the dog.

01:25:06.380 That's the three.

01:25:07.020 They can't win any other way.

01:25:08.520 They can't win in any legitimate process, okay?

01:25:11.380 So they have to have an illegitimate process.

01:25:13.800 That's what they'll do.

01:25:14.560 It's either lawfare, it's the steal, or they have some sort of October surprise.

01:25:20.220 Or, you know, wag the dog.

01:25:22.280 If we are relentless in all three of those verticals and not letting it happen, they can't beat us.

01:25:27.700 Now, unfortunately, we do have a problem, a specter, and that's the neoliberal neocons that President Trump just defeated, right?

01:25:37.480 And they are going to come back.

01:25:38.700 You know, Nikki – there's no coincidences.

01:25:41.100 Nikki Haley wasn't in Israel the last couple days signing bombs, right, to drop on Hamas.

01:25:46.980 And her visit was like a state visit, okay?

01:25:50.300 The timing of that from them was impeccable.

01:25:53.480 Also, the day in Axios, if you look, what they have six or seven billionaires are now signing up.

01:25:58.260 All these billionaires are all of a sudden in love with Trump.

01:26:00.320 But what they're really in love with – they're really going to be in love with getting a neoliberal neocon on the ticket as his VP, saying you need to do that to bring people together.

01:26:09.600 And that is – and she is going to try to be the prime minister of the second term. 1.00

01:26:14.720 So we have to be on guard with that and say that's not going to happen.

01:26:17.540 It will not happen.

01:26:18.860 She is unacceptable in every aspect, in every neoliberal neocon is also – and we need full MAGA on that ticket. 1.00

01:26:26.360 So those are the two things.

01:26:27.720 And just chain your energy and don't chase rabbits.

01:26:30.900 Right now we need maniacal focus, and that focus is on blocking and tackling.

01:26:35.800 No 30-second spot.

01:26:37.600 No TV buy.

01:26:38.780 No magical kind of internet apparatus or internet content is going to – no means, right, are going to change this.

01:26:46.520 This is going to be back to basics.

01:26:48.880 This is going to get at your base and also bring all those people that right now are just going through their own beginning of their great awakening.

01:26:55.580 And that is nothing but old-fashioned get-out-the-vote, chase ballots, make sure we have election officials there, get in everybody's face about these mail-in ballots, make sure everybody's on top of it, and the lawyers get lawyers signed up.

01:27:07.440 And finally, let's stop kidding ourselves.

01:27:10.260 Look at these states.

01:27:11.640 Look at Arizona. 0.97

01:27:12.560 Look at Nevada. 1.00

01:27:13.380 Look at Georgia. 1.00

01:27:14.140 Look at Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

01:27:16.300 What is going on?

01:27:17.600 Who's responsible?

01:27:18.760 What's going to happen?

01:27:19.700 We don't need thousands of rallies.

01:27:21.460 What we need now is good old-fashioned work.

01:27:23.720 If we do not quit and we execute on that and we can execute on it, we're going to win, and we're going to win big.

01:27:31.780 Steve, thank you for – I know you've got a run here, and you've got a big show tomorrow on War Room.

01:27:36.040 And we're going to be doing this People's Convention here, and it requires public displays of support and using our agency.

01:27:43.640 This is one of the most important things happening in the country right now, and that's why we're rallying in downtown Detroit.

01:27:50.220 And, Steve, we want Detroit to be Bronx 2.0, where we have a ton of blacks and Hispanics that are coming to the event, black patriots and black Americans that are coming.

01:27:59.300 It's going to be really great, Steve.

01:28:00.740 So thanks for your leadership, Steve, and thanks for your time.

01:28:02.740 See you tomorrow.

01:28:03.160 Well, the timing couldn't be more perfect.

01:28:06.840 If we use the People's Convention as a springboard, then we're going to win this, and we've got to use it as a springboard.

01:28:12.900 So, Charlie, thank you and all the team for setting it up.

01:28:15.260 I'll see you guys tomorrow, and I'll pass the baton off to you guys at noon.

01:28:18.340 Jack, you at two, and we're back at five.

01:28:20.040 See you guys tomorrow.

01:28:21.580 Love it.

01:28:21.940 Thanks, Steve.

01:28:22.600 And I just want to reiterate that it is the People's Convention.

01:28:24.860 This is the rallying point over the summer that is going to launch us into the election.

01:28:32.600 Andrew and Blake, you guys didn't get a chance to chime in there.

01:28:34.660 Thoughts, either one of you?

01:28:35.860 No, I want to just mention the springboard.

01:28:39.600 Steve said it's going to be a springboard.

01:28:41.360 You know, yeah, there's going to be A-plus list speakers there, right?

01:28:45.640 You're going to have all the biggest names in the movement, but the people are going to be really blown away if you go to this event that there are going to be massive coalition buildings, volunteer opportunities, precinct strategy.

01:28:58.000 You're going to have a chance to get plugged in there.

01:28:59.680 And then get a full-time job.

01:29:01.780 If you live in the territories where we're chasing ballots in Michigan, Wisconsin, in Arizona, you could have a full-time job saving the republic.

01:29:10.800 So get off the couch. 0.99

01:29:13.360 Get to Detroit, especially if you live in that blue wall.

01:29:16.180 Get to Detroit.

01:29:17.480 There's going to be action, action, action, action, action.

01:29:20.360 Everything – Charlie, I've never seen an event from Turning Point, whether that's USA or Turning Point Action,

01:29:26.180 where so much time has been devoted to the breakout sessions.

01:29:30.720 It's incredible.

01:29:31.660 And you're going to be meeting all the orgs on the ground.

01:29:34.080 We're partnering with everybody.

01:29:35.600 And then, like I said, get a full-time job saving the republic.

01:29:38.280 Couldn't be any better.

01:29:39.240 Yeah, it's almost worth playing this again.

01:29:41.260 And I think we're still on Real America's Voice here.

01:29:43.120 Just really quick, just play in the trailer to, guys, get you tickets.

01:29:45.740 Right now, tpaction.com.

01:29:47.520 That's tpaction.com.

01:29:48.860 Get your tickets.

01:29:49.560 Let's just play cut one.

01:29:51.300 They are counting on your surrender.

01:29:53.060 If you give up, they win.

01:29:58.380 But what if we look back and we realize we were just inches away from victory,

01:30:02.300 and that's when we decided to give up?

01:30:04.700 Join us and thousands of American patriots for the summer convention that all are invited to.

01:30:13.320 You're going to hear how we're going to win in 2024.

01:30:16.100 With the biggest speakers in the movement.

01:30:18.900 Featuring President Donald J. Trump, Charlie Crack, Donald Trump Jr.,

01:30:24.420 Vivek Ramaswamy, Governor Kristi Moore, Dr. Ben Carson,

01:30:28.860 Tulsi Gannon, Steve Bannon, Candace Owens,

01:30:32.600 Laura Trump, Senator Rick Scott, Kimberly Guilfoyle,

01:30:36.720 Congressman Matt Gaetz, Ben Johnson,

01:30:39.340 Jack Basobin, Lee Zilden, Congressman E.R. Craig,

01:30:43.000 Brandon Tatum, and more.

01:30:45.800 June 14th through 16th.

01:30:47.920 2024 is our final battle.

01:30:50.360 In Detroit, Michigan.

01:30:51.500 The great silent majority is rising like never before.

01:30:55.340 Join us for the People's Convention.

01:30:57.920 This is a new ball game, everybody.

01:30:59.880 You send a message.

01:31:01.500 We play to win.

01:31:02.440 And there might be some rallies between then and there.

01:31:10.600 This is the first, Blake, I think this will be the first major event post-Trump conviction.

01:31:15.880 Again, there might be a rally or two, but we're coming to like the first major event

01:31:20.720 where we could have almost unlimited capacity here.

01:31:24.580 Not unlimited, but we can really get big if we have the space.

01:31:27.700 It's the Huntington Convention Center in downtown Detroit.

01:31:30.160 Blake, this is pretty big.

01:31:32.420 I think it will be a great opportunity for, if there's coverage of it, for the press,

01:31:37.880 for the Democratic Party for that matter, to look and they'll turn to each other and think,

01:31:42.120 did we screw this one up, guys?

01:31:44.860 Did we mess it up?

01:31:46.240 Have we unleashed something we did not anticipate?

01:31:49.960 And I think it's feeling that way.

01:31:52.400 I think the reaction today is very telling.

01:31:55.700 We've now, if people haven't seen it, Elon Musk is tweeting about this and how ominous this is.

01:32:02.800 Bill Ackman, a lot of these Silicon Valley donor figures who've been warming up to Trump

01:32:09.560 this cycle compared to past cycles, they're very strongly on his side today.

01:32:14.120 And I think we're going to see that energy grow.

01:32:16.080 There's a strong sense of momentum.

01:32:18.220 There's more and more energy attaching to this as it goes on.

01:32:21.500 And it's like Biden and the Democrats, they keep digging themselves deeper because they're

01:32:26.180 just shocked the tactics they've relied on are not working anymore.

01:32:30.220 Their ability to delegitimize people by using the system against them is breaking down.

01:32:35.100 Instead, they are delegitimizing the system itself.

01:32:37.940 As we've said a few times, Donald Trump wasn't convicted today.

01:32:42.380 It was really the New York justice system that was convicted.

01:32:45.280 And I think it'll be interesting to see, you know, there's more that Republicans can do

01:32:51.420 in response to this.

01:32:52.360 And I had this thought after they broke up, you know, after that civil conviction against

01:32:56.620 Trump on bizarre charges, which a ton of businessmen were saying, this is nonsense.

01:33:01.480 And you even had New York trying to reassure businesses, please don't flee our state.

01:33:06.200 We're only going to do this to Trump.

01:33:07.760 We won't do it to the rest of you.

01:33:09.100 Well, now we see this with their criminal system.

01:33:10.780 So what if Republican states just started coming out and saying, actually, New York

01:33:15.340 verdicts, we don't respect New York court decisions in this state because they're, they've

01:33:19.580 gone extra to, they're extra constitutional.

01:33:22.020 They're a rogue state where we don't respect their rulings.

01:33:25.580 And an interesting way that might come into play, by the way, Florida doesn't allow convicted

01:33:31.140 felons to vote right now.

01:33:33.500 So there might be a twist where they'll try to say that Donald Trump can't vote for himself.

01:33:37.480 It could be interesting for Florida to come in and say, actually, at least in this case,

01:33:42.300 we don't consider New York's felony conviction to be valid.

01:33:45.080 Blake, speaking of Florida, Ron DeSantis tweeted something I think that was pretty amazing.

01:33:51.560 We have the tweet up if we could, it's, it's longer, but it's like so pitch perfect.

01:33:55.580 Five million views, 111 likes, 111,000 likes says today's verdict represents the culmination

01:34:02.700 of a legal process that has been bent to the political will of the actors involved.

01:34:07.080 A leftist prosecutor, a partisan judge, and a jury reflective of one of the most liberal

01:34:11.820 enclaves in America, all in an effort to get Trump, Donald Trump.

01:34:16.040 That this case involving alleged misdemeanor business records violations from nearly a decade

01:34:21.880 ago was even brought as a testament to the political debasement of the justice system in 0.69

01:34:26.920 places like New York City.

01:34:28.240 This is especially true considering the same district attorney routinely excuses criminal

01:34:33.260 conduct in a way that has endangered law-abiding citizens in his jurisdiction.

01:34:38.460 It is often said that no one is above the law, but it is also true that no one is below the

01:34:43.100 law.

01:34:43.800 If the defendant were not Donald Trump, this case would have never been brought, the judge

01:34:47.880 would have never issued similar rulings, and the jury would have never returned a guilty

01:34:51.820 verdict.

01:34:52.560 In America, the rule of law should be applied in a dispassionate, even-handed manner, not become

01:34:57.000 captive to the political agenda of some kangaroo court.

01:35:00.520 That's Ron DeSantis, formerly bitter enemy of Donald Trump, with one of the most viral

01:35:07.300 tweets on social media today defending the president.

01:35:12.360 Can I just say, this is what he should have tweeted when the charges were dropped in the

01:35:18.740 first place.

01:35:19.780 Yes.

01:35:20.040 This was a very separate, very different tune than we're hearing from the Gov than when

01:35:27.020 the charges were put out.

01:35:28.440 He made a crack mocking Trump about Stormy Daniels when it happened, and I think that

01:35:32.700 was an inflection point in the campaign, in the primary, where people all of a sudden

01:35:37.640 were saying, wait a minute, it seems like you're just not doing the things that we thought

01:35:42.620 you were going to be doing.

01:35:43.480 So, look, he's come around to seeing things the right way.

01:35:47.840 I wish he'd been there back when it first happened, and it's good to see him there now.

01:35:53.280 Yeah, and look, we need a consolidation, and that is what we're starting to see here, is

01:35:57.640 a consolidation of different forces.

01:35:59.540 I want to play a piece of tape here.

01:36:01.280 We have quite a lot that we haven't gotten to yet.

01:36:05.140 Email us, as always, by the way, freedom at charliekirk.com.

01:36:07.840 But this is the energy I think we need.

01:36:11.600 Play cut 172.

01:36:14.520 All the people that have gone out there against the mainstream media and said, you're going 1.00

01:36:19.400 to call us racist, you're going to call us potential Timothy McVeigh's, fuck you. 1.00

01:36:28.980 War. 1.00

01:36:33.540 Jack Posobiec.

01:36:34.580 Yeah, I mean, that's the energy of Andrew Breitbart.

01:36:41.980 That's the Andrew of Steve Bannon.

01:36:44.680 That's the Andrew of, I had a conversation with Mike Davis, attorney Mike Davis, just off

01:36:51.480 air today, just kind of called him in between hits, in between shows, and Davis has this

01:36:57.540 thing called the dead chicken theory, which he says that he got from Clarence Thomas, and

01:37:02.880 the dead chicken theory is interesting.

01:37:04.620 So he says Clarence Thomas told him once, when he was working for him, that the dead chicken

01:37:09.540 theory goes like this, that when you're training, when you're training farm dogs to protect

01:37:15.220 chickens, now early on, by the way, this story totally takes on a totally new, totally new

01:37:20.820 vein because of the Nikki, or not Nikki, the Kristi Gnome situation.

01:37:24.880 But, so when you're training farm dogs, one of the things you're supposed to do is when

01:37:29.360 they accidentally kill a chicken, you then take that chicken's carcass and wrap it around

01:37:34.160 their necks so that the chicken's body actually rots physically and literally rots around their

01:37:40.300 necks.

01:37:41.240 And eventually, over time, once you do that a few times, they lose the taste for chicken,

01:37:47.400 and then they eventually go into protecting chicken.

01:37:49.380 And basically what he says, that's what we need to do to the left.

01:37:52.580 That's how we need to treat them.

01:37:54.180 And when it comes to lawfare, and when it comes to the stuff that they're doing to Trump, and

01:37:58.140 when it comes to everything that they've done to us, to the J6ers, to Doug Mackey, Ricky 1.00

01:38:04.400 Vaughn, to all of this, if there is no reciprocity, then they will continue to do these things.

01:38:12.060 They will find anything they can on any of us.

01:38:16.180 They'll be going through our taxes, they'll be going through our text messages, it doesn't

01:38:20.160 matter whether it's lawsuits or actual criminal charges, they will find anything.

01:38:26.300 They'll say, oh, look at this guy who donated to Turning Point USA and didn't fill out the

01:38:30.780 paperwork, boom, boom, and now we're going to go after Turning Point USA, okay?

01:38:34.500 Again, this will continue until it is stopped.

01:38:38.520 This is a playbook, it's been around for 250 years.

01:38:41.600 And until some people actually rise up and start turning the tables on them, and I don't

01:38:47.660 mean, you know, the strongly worded letter conservatism, no, it's time for the dead chicken

01:38:54.360 theory.

01:38:56.880 Blake, can we just remind the audience of how weak this legal case was?

01:39:03.260 And I'm curious for your thoughts here, Blake.

01:39:05.080 Like, 34 counts in a day or two, we thought there'd be some jury pushback.

01:39:10.860 It just seems as if the jury just said, I want nothing to do with this, I want this chapter

01:39:14.440 of my life to be over with, guilty.

01:39:18.400 Yeah, so first of all, yeah, 34 charges, they're all essentially the same thing.

01:39:23.840 If you read the indictment, they're all for alleged falsification of records, and there's

01:39:30.000 34 different total instances of it, so it's not as surprising to me that they would just

01:39:35.280 go through the whole thing.

01:39:36.220 It is the sort of thing where you basically either go for all of it or none of it.

01:39:40.380 But I do think this gets underplayed too much.

01:39:44.080 I think people have fixated too much on the events of the trial, and they haven't taken

01:39:47.620 the big picture, which is, this case is insane.

01:39:50.460 So what Trump was actually convicted of, and they would try to mess this up and obscure

01:39:55.700 it in a lot of ways, but the specific legal attack on Trump was they said, Donald Trump

01:40:01.460 falsified business records in order to, and then there was an intermediary crime of, in

01:40:08.760 order to do this New York state law, let me bring it up here, it has a funny name, it's

01:40:12.760 New York, section 17152, conspiracy to promote or prevent election, which is any two or more

01:40:21.520 persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office

01:40:26.920 by unlawful means shall be guilty to a misdemeanor.

01:40:33.220 And so they did that, where they had, they're like, he obscured his, he falsified his records

01:40:38.820 to commit a conspiracy to illegally promote his own election by fill in the blank.

01:40:46.100 That is literally what it was.

01:40:47.000 It was fill in the blank.

01:40:48.120 There was some crime.

01:40:49.300 They didn't charge him with one.

01:40:50.460 So the prosecutor came out and they basically said, you know, you could just imagine whatever

01:40:54.680 you want.

01:40:55.540 Maybe he was covering up his taxes and that's a crime, or maybe he was covering up some

01:41:04.200 campaign finance violation, including a federal one.

01:41:07.800 And that was where the thing came in that it didn't have to be unanimous.

01:41:10.760 The prosecution came out and said, you don't have to pick any specific crime that Donald

01:41:15.600 Trump supposedly committed.

01:41:16.920 And by the way, we're not charging him with any of these.

01:41:19.240 But as long as you think he, he, he was probably doing some sort of crime, you can say that

01:41:24.260 he falsified the records to cover this up.

01:41:26.180 And this was really important because the entire case is built on this because originally

01:41:30.960 falsification of records by itself is a misdemeanor.

01:41:34.260 It is a two-year statute of limitations.

01:41:36.160 And all this stuff is from 2016.

01:41:37.880 So the only way they could charge him with this in 2023 was they had to make it a felony.

01:41:44.400 To make it a felony, they had to say he was doing this to cover up a crime, another crime

01:41:49.160 that was a felony.

01:41:50.400 But we don't have any evidence to prosecute any of these.

01:41:53.000 So we're just going to say, come up with one.

01:41:56.680 And one of their arguments was he was breaking federal campaign finance law, which New York

01:42:02.760 didn't charge him with.

01:42:04.280 The federal government didn't charge him with it.

01:42:06.280 The federal government didn't even fine him for it.

01:42:08.560 The FEC didn't.

01:42:09.920 And then while they're making all of these prejudicial statements against him, what the

01:42:14.820 judge allows him to do is he allows the prosecution to come out and sort of give arguments like,

01:42:19.900 you know, maybe this decided the 2016 election that he did this, which doesn't have any bearing

01:42:25.540 on anything he supposedly did that was criminal.

01:42:27.760 But the judge allowed him to say that the judge didn't allow any, you know, an FEC commissioner

01:42:32.820 to come in and say, this didn't violate the law.

01:42:35.740 The crime connection doesn't work here.

01:42:39.260 It's absolutely insane.

01:42:41.300 They, this law that they're supposedly is conspiring to break the conspiracy to promote or prevent

01:42:46.840 election, it's basically never brought against anyone else in New York, even though New York

01:42:50.840 has more than its share of shady electoral behavior.

01:42:54.860 It's New York, it's local politics in a big city.

01:42:57.760 They never use this.

01:42:58.940 They dug it up because they wanted to have a case against Trump and they came up with the

01:43:04.480 most convoluted theory they possibly could to justify going way past the statute of limitations.

01:43:09.560 And then they brought it in Manhattan because it's a 90% Democrat jurisdiction and they could 0.78

01:43:14.860 get the most liberal jury imaginable.

01:43:17.480 And then they blizzarded them with 55 pages of jury, uh, jury instructions, which under

01:43:24.100 New York law, you're not allowed to have a printed copy of because some reason, and you don't have

01:43:29.800 a transcript of any of the jury testimony.

01:43:31.740 You have to ask them to read it to you for some reason. 1.00

01:43:35.120 So they picked our dumbest, most corrupt state with the dumbest, most corrupt laws came up with 0.99

01:43:40.960 a case they would never bring against anyone else and have never brought against anyone else. 1.00

01:43:45.480 And then they dumped it on Donald Trump and they got a conviction.

01:43:48.680 Congratulations. 0.99

01:43:50.200 It's disgusting. 0.99

01:43:51.840 It is repulsive here.

01:43:53.580 And I want to take a step back and play this piece of tape here from Norm Eisen. 0.99

01:43:58.000 He's a psychopath. 0.95

01:43:59.580 Play cut 174. 0.97

01:44:00.680 This is the most serious falsifying business records case in the history of the state of

01:44:07.680 New York.

01:44:08.180 I think Alvin Bragg is going to ask for a sentence of incarceration.

01:44:11.960 And I think Judge Mershon will very seriously weigh that.

01:44:16.180 So the special treatment you're saying would be if he were not given a prison sentence.

01:44:21.060 Right.

01:44:22.760 Did that guy fall out of an 80s movie? 0.99

01:44:25.020 He's disgusting. 0.98

01:44:26.520 He's literally physically disgusting to look at. 1.00

01:44:29.000 That sneering rat face. 1.00

01:44:30.900 Oh, my God. 0.97

01:44:32.000 Which, by the way, you know, people need to remember, if you go back to the Democracy

01:44:37.880 Playbook and the Brookings Institute and everyone's favorite Time magazine article, which was published

01:44:44.000 right after 2021 about the secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the 2020 election.

01:44:50.920 Remember, they fortified the 2020 election.

01:44:53.440 What name from the Transition Integrity Project was at the center of all of these things was

01:45:00.040 Norm Eisen.

01:45:01.780 Norm Eisen and Andrew Weissman are kind of like the brain trust of the left wing operatives.

01:45:09.340 And their names just keep kind of popping up in every single major campaign that you see

01:45:15.240 them doing.

01:45:16.100 And so you can just follow these guys and you can see exactly what they're up to.

01:45:20.480 They don't really have that many of them. 0.99

01:45:22.500 And don't tell me that like Alvin Bragg, that absolute idiot, could put something like this 1.00

01:45:27.460 together or that anyone in the Biden administration could do it. 1.00

01:45:30.120 No, it's they've got a couple of these guys and you see them on TV just bragging about it

01:45:34.780 all the time because that's essentially what they are.

01:45:38.200 They are the brain trust of the left wing.

01:45:41.100 And, you know, look, you know, guys here on the right, you know, we've got like, obviously

01:45:45.040 the Trump campaign, Trump himself, their family, and then just guys like us.

01:45:50.620 This is it.

01:45:52.260 Look, we also have this amazing movement, though.

01:45:54.920 And Andrew, I got I'm very inspired by the growing enthusiasm that we're seeing on the

01:46:00.620 ground.

01:46:01.140 I want to highlight just some of the work that Turning Point Action is doing.

01:46:04.160 Noah Formica, who's one of our amazing activists, says, my name is Noah Formica.

01:46:08.020 I'm a Gen Z Republican living in Pennsylvania.

01:46:10.600 So far this year, I've registered 790 voters.

01:46:13.360 My goal is to register a thousand by the end of the year.

01:46:15.660 I'm going to do everything I can to get Donald Trump back in the White House and turn Pennsylvania

01:46:18.880 red.

01:46:19.900 And his tweet is doing very, very well.

01:46:22.040 He's a Turning Point Action worker.

01:46:24.180 And that is what that is what it is going to require, is that grittiness.

01:46:27.640 It is the work.

01:46:28.600 It is difficult.

01:46:29.340 It is not always necessarily rewarding.

01:46:32.460 But boy, is it necessary.

01:46:34.300 I want to play a piece of tape here, Andrew, and get your reaction.

01:46:38.020 Very important here.

01:46:38.980 Let me try to flip through here and find it.

01:46:42.280 Let's see here.

01:46:43.560 Let's go to.

01:46:44.620 Oh, yeah.

01:46:44.820 This is Donald Trump's first post on Truth Social post being a technically convicted felon.

01:46:53.780 Play cut 165.

01:46:54.820 The final battle.

01:46:57.540 With you at my side, we will demolish the deep state.

01:47:00.900 We will expel the warmongers from our government. 1.00

01:47:03.740 We will drive out the globalists. 1.00

01:47:05.680 We will cast out the communists, Marxists, and fascists. 1.00

01:47:09.080 We will throw off the sick political class that hates our country. 1.00

01:47:13.140 We will rout the fake news media.

01:47:16.240 And we will liberate America from these villains once and for all.

01:47:21.300 Man, when he says expel the warmongers, I get a Chris Matthews thrill up my leg. 0.60

01:47:34.180 But I just – the only thing that would make that better –

01:47:38.360 Andrew, you're muted.

01:47:39.140 Andrew, you're muted again.

01:47:40.840 The only thing I would just say to make that better is throw it up on Twitter.

01:47:44.880 Get the OG Twitter account back.

01:47:48.840 That would break the internet.

01:47:50.080 Look, he did it when he got the mugshot.

01:47:52.500 You've got all the reason in the world to bring it back today.

01:47:55.700 Link to DonaldJTrump.com.

01:47:57.780 People can sign up.

01:47:58.780 People can donate.

01:47:59.880 People can volunteer.

01:48:00.660 This movement is the strongest movement in America.

01:48:03.940 It's the strongest the MAGA movement has ever been.

01:48:06.100 It's more galvanized.

01:48:07.480 And people are more focused on action now than they ever have been.

01:48:11.520 Use that Twitter account as the conduit between Trump directly and the people that it always was.

01:48:18.500 Andrew, you were going to say something.

01:48:20.600 No, I mean you do this job day in and day out like everybody else on this show right now.

01:48:26.700 And sometimes you get a little bit, you know, immune.

01:48:30.720 You get a little bit numb to things like that video.

01:48:34.680 And as you were playing it, I hadn't seen it yet actually.

01:48:38.260 It riled up something really deep and just sort of instinctive.

01:48:45.940 And, yeah, man, I got really fired up watching that.

01:48:49.780 And it was a perfectly – the tone was perfect.

01:48:53.560 And, Jack, you just said it.

01:48:55.260 I think it's really clear to say it again.

01:48:57.360 Or we need to say it again.

01:48:58.740 This – right now, in this moment, you know, May 30th, 2024, this is the strongest this movement has ever been.

01:49:08.340 Ever.

01:49:09.080 And, I mean, we've all been doing this since the jump.

01:49:11.560 This is the strongest I have ever felt it right now in this moment despite the fact that he's a convicted felon.

01:49:18.580 And, yeah, like normies – I don't know how this is going to impact the normies that aren't even paying attention to the news.

01:49:24.680 And that's something we got to look out for.

01:49:26.700 But, you know, this energy is going to continue filtering out if we keep messaging, we keep grinding, we keep going at it.

01:49:34.180 So I'm encouraged.

01:49:34.720 Can I actually – can I just respond to – because I've been – something I've been meaning to say the entire night that – so when all this news broke, it was kind of surreal for me because we'd finished up the afternoon stuff.

01:49:49.760 And I had just taken my son and driven home to pick up my six-year-old, and he was at a Little League game.

01:49:57.080 And so 30 May 2024, you're always going to remember where you were when this happened.

01:50:03.500 And I was at a Little League game with my son and his team, and they were doing some others – they were, you know, they're playing the game.

01:50:11.080 And Tanya showed up with her other son a little bit later.

01:50:15.140 She was running an errand.

01:50:16.000 And what was so interesting to me was that on my phone, it was lighting up, people were going nuts, the text messages were flying in, the calls were ringing off the hook.

01:50:25.960 But all around me in kind of normie space, no one was talking about it.

01:50:31.300 No one was focused on it.

01:50:32.680 I don't think that most normies even – and I don't say that in a disparaging way.

01:50:36.960 I mean, I love the people on the team and everyone at the school, but I just think that for average people that are outside of politics, this trial wasn't something that they were really following front of center because there's been so many Trump trials and so many Trump legal escapades over the last couple of weeks, over the last couple of years at this point, escapades, and really going all the way back to his original divorce with Ivana all the way back in the early 90s.

01:51:04.100 And so it's kind of priced in, and it's just not something – I actually actively started listening after this.

01:51:11.760 Not a single person at the game even brought it up once.

01:51:14.740 Yeah.

01:51:15.100 No, and by the way, it's like, oh, okay, Trump's going to jail, and then I go to the grocery store and I can't feed my family.

01:51:21.040 And Andrew, can you riff on this?

01:51:22.400 The increase in grocery prices is no joke, like the slow bleed of the Democrat Party.

01:51:27.460 Even people – I mean, like, we're very blessed.

01:51:29.840 You're blessed.

01:51:30.400 I'm blessed.

01:51:30.860 We do fine financially.

01:51:31.860 Praise God.

01:51:32.340 And again, we can afford it, but it's noticeable.

01:51:35.480 I mean, when you start to go and you have to feed a family of four and it's $700 for weekly groceries to eat like above average, you know, eat foods that aren't necessarily processed.

01:51:44.580 Again, we can afford it, but for families that can't, I can't imagine just the rage.

01:51:50.660 They care far more about being able to pay for their family, not going to debt to feed their family than Donald Trump's document case.

01:51:58.700 No, 100%.

01:51:59.480 Actually, Jack, you'll remember when I texted you, I was like, dang it, this was my idea.

01:52:04.640 So, you know, I think it was Scott Adams said it on his show and tweeted it out, you know, about –

01:52:09.200 Wait, I was literally just about to send this to you in the chat.

01:52:12.620 I'm like halfway through typing it.

01:52:14.400 Go ahead.

01:52:14.600 I was so happy because I remember saying it to Charlie.

01:52:16.620 I was like, you know what the best like campaign idea that we need?

01:52:18.940 We need Donald Trump going along with like a white woman, a black woman, a Hispanic woman, and like an Asian woman or whatever. 0.98

01:52:26.620 Like, you know, and going through just a normal grocery store, go like pick middle America grocery store, urban American grocery store, and just go and try and buy eggs, milk, toilet paper.

01:52:38.520 That right there is something that this trial will never reach to.

01:52:43.600 I mean it is not penetrating.

01:52:45.680 I mean I don't know if we have the clip, Ryan, but like there was a CNN clip where they were going through the polling data and they're just like nobody cares.

01:52:53.000 Nobody's paying attention to this.

01:52:54.860 The only good that this can do is really to galvanize our side to get even more involved, to donate more, to volunteer more, to ballot chase more.

01:53:06.740 But like I'm telling you, the pocketbook issues time and time again, when he – when they wonder why – yeah, exactly.

01:53:17.320 This is great.

01:53:17.900 Trump is guilty.

01:53:18.740 Why can't I afford groceries?

01:53:19.880 That's the perfect graphic right there for those listening and can't see it.

01:53:23.520 But it's 100 percent true. 0.90

01:53:25.440 Gas prices, grocery prices, and the cost of a new home.

01:53:28.520 We talk about the youth vote.

01:53:29.820 We talk about the minority vote.

01:53:31.480 Why are both of those groups moving in Trump's favor and abandoning the Democrat coalition that got Barack Obama elected by huge margins?

01:53:42.240 It's because young people cannot afford to buy a home. 0.87

01:53:46.040 The cost of a home, average home price in America has doubled since Joe Biden has come into office.

01:53:53.080 That right there is the whole ballgame.

01:53:55.140 We talk about the three M's, marriage, mortgage, and mating.

01:54:00.440 So making babies, getting married, and getting a mortgage.

01:54:03.680 Those are three conservatizing life events that need to happen for the American dream to fully form in the next generation.

01:54:10.120 We're cutting off our young people from that.

01:54:12.000 And they're opting out.

01:54:12.820 They know it.

01:54:13.860 And then we've got just this massive economic burden on the backs of normal, everyday working Americans.

01:54:20.620 And this is what's interesting.

01:54:22.440 And, Charlie, I'd actually love your input on this.

01:54:25.220 If you look across the different cohorts, the one group that Donald Trump is performing worse with than he was in the last election is boomers.

01:54:36.920 What gives and how do we fix it is the question.

01:54:41.560 Well, what gives is that boomers have actually generally – if you own property, you are substantially wealthier post-COVID. 0.73

01:54:49.040 Now, that's not to say your purchasing power hasn't gone down.

01:54:52.280 But if you own a home and you started to pay – let's say you started to buy a home in – this is why it's so important.

01:55:01.640 It's a generational thing I understand.

01:55:04.040 So I was born in 1993.

01:55:05.420 A lot of boomers bought homes in the mid-1990s, which means their loan has matured.

01:55:10.560 That means you're right at the sweet spot, right?

01:55:12.340 So they are getting their deed.

01:55:14.160 And their home was worth, let's say, $700,000 in 2019.

01:55:19.040 If it's in Scottsdale, it was worth $700 in 2019, it's now worth $1.3 or $1.4 million.

01:55:24.560 And it's nearly doubled.

01:55:26.220 And so – and they really haven't done anything.

01:55:27.760 There's just more money in the system.

01:55:29.800 They probably have a Roth IRA.

01:55:31.420 Their stocks have gone up dramatically.

01:55:33.640 They might have a little investment portfolio with Charles Schwab or Fidelity or TV Ameritrade.

01:55:38.240 That has gone up dramatically.

01:55:40.000 And so the baby boomers, nothing necessarily against them – that's a separate topic for a different time – is they've actually had a financial windfall under Joe Biden.

01:55:51.040 Now, some that don't own property are still struggling, own businesses, and your purchasing power of your dollar has deteriorated.

01:55:57.120 But your assets have gone up, so they're not feeling the squeeze.

01:55:59.740 But here's the best divide.

01:56:02.660 If you could do a poll on this.

01:56:05.320 Poll Americans that own nothing and poll Americans that own assets.

01:56:10.620 And which ones of those are happy with the economy or unhappy with the economy?

01:56:15.740 Donald Trump is winning the renting vote in the country.

01:56:19.660 Democrats traditionally have dominated the renting vote in this country.

01:56:23.840 If you own nothing, you end up not being happy.

01:56:27.160 And it is not even close to being in the realm of possibility right now.

01:56:30.880 It creates economic anger.

01:56:32.860 And Donald Trump is a vessel for that.

01:56:35.500 Donald Trump is the pressure release valve because his entire candidacy is kind of a rebellion against the status quo.

01:56:41.620 And so if you are getting poor because of the status quo and then you see them indict him, all of a sudden you want to then repel against the status quo – rebel against the status quo.

01:56:54.020 Andrew, you have a question about that.

01:56:55.600 Yeah, so my question is – so if all of these currents are working against Joe Biden with everybody except for boomers and boomers are like slightly weaker,

01:57:05.540 this verdict tonight, if you talk like Main Street America, half the people are checked in, half the people are checked out, guess what?

01:57:15.760 Boomers are checked in. 1.00

01:57:17.300 Does this verdict so great against their idea and their ideal of what America was when they were growing up and through the 80s and the 90s?

01:57:26.360 Does this verdict so great against them – is Trump going to see a bounce back with boomers and is he getting a bounce back up to 2020? 0.97

01:57:34.040 So, look, I don't want to overly generalize.

01:57:36.920 I could just say in my own circle, people that are baby boomers are outraged about this.

01:57:40.920 I did an entire program in August of last year live from Vegas.

01:57:44.940 And it was one of our best shows, Andrew, of 2023, one of our best rated shows, where I went through a dialogue, an argument, and not even a debate, an argument I had with one of our Turning Point USA donors.

01:57:57.020 You remember the show, Andrew?

01:57:57.900 Do you remember this?

01:57:58.580 Yes.

01:57:58.680 It was a road show and I did a whole hour on this.

01:58:01.240 And I was very blunt, as I am, and this guy was a military veteran, a good man, but he saw things differently.

01:58:09.480 And he said – he stood up and asked a question because I went through how Donald Trump was almost assuredly going to go to jail and get convicted and they're going to try to throw him in jail unless he wins.

01:58:18.360 And he said, Charlie, I've been around for quite some time.

01:58:21.980 There is no way in this country that Donald Trump will ever be convicted by a jury of his peers and he'll never go to jail.

01:58:29.740 And I said, I'm sorry, sir, you're wrong.

01:58:31.680 I don't know what country you think you're living in.

01:58:34.020 It doesn't still exist.

01:58:35.040 And he got somewhat nasty saying, son, I am a military veteran.

01:58:40.580 This country is still the greatest country ever and we will never convict a former president.

01:58:45.920 I remember this happening.

01:58:47.580 By the way, I have witnesses.

01:58:50.200 It was at an event.

01:58:51.040 I mean it's not like I'm making this up.

01:58:52.480 Mikey was there.

01:58:53.280 A lot of people were there.

01:58:54.100 Live it.

01:58:54.660 You couldn't stop talking about it after the event.

01:58:56.620 But yeah, you and I and I and I was so fired up because it is a mass delusion.

01:59:05.100 Yeah, and I'd love to I'm going to find his phone number.

01:59:08.000 I'm going to call him up actually tomorrow.

01:59:10.200 Jack, you have a thought there.

01:59:11.340 Just just just just send him the link or just send him a link to to the thing.

01:59:15.420 And don't even don't even say anything.

01:59:17.240 Don't even say it.

01:59:18.060 Just a link to a headline.

01:59:19.160 Donald Trump guilty.

01:59:20.040 And I'm trying to remember.

01:59:21.380 I got to re-listen to that episode because no, because it was part of his essence was it was

01:59:26.300 so no way this it was almost as if Charlie, you're telling me that Donald Trump's going

01:59:32.020 to levitate on live television.

01:59:33.680 Like it was just like there's no way I can see it happening.

01:59:37.180 It's like the laws of America, the laws of nature and nature is God will not allow this

01:59:42.080 to happen.

01:59:42.700 And I somewhat sympathize with that because he did fight and serve the country and he

01:59:47.600 is so used to America having a certain behavioral pattern that all of a sudden, by the way,

01:59:55.500 Dan just messaged me who is there.

01:59:57.380 He remembers it.

01:59:58.100 Dan says, LOL, I remember that.

02:00:00.080 So I have witnesses.

02:00:01.280 It was and we got in a suit argument.

02:00:02.880 It was whatever.

02:00:03.680 And I hate to say I was right because I know where this country is heading.

02:00:07.360 I've studied Marx, studied Marxism.

02:00:08.840 I know Marxist.

02:00:09.720 I fight against them every single day.

02:00:11.940 Blake, I want to ask your thought on something here as I think we're going to have we're going

02:00:16.780 to have Rav come back at some point.

02:00:18.800 I think Blake, can you just give an analysis of how if you're being objective, none of these

02:00:24.720 historians are again, Ken Burns is out there saying crazy stuff, how how objectively amazing

02:00:31.480 and just objectively crazy it is that Donald Trump is able to overcome the justice stuff

02:00:40.120 January 6th.

02:00:41.480 I just I think that is worth just a historical analysis because if nothing else, we've it is

02:00:47.940 unprecedented.

02:00:49.040 That is unprecedented.

02:00:50.160 It really is.

02:00:51.320 It does.

02:00:51.920 Donald Trump is the guy who breaks all of the rules.

02:00:54.760 And one thing I like I get a kick out of is there was a book that came out.

02:01:00.480 It was or at least it came out a few years before Trump ran.

02:01:04.140 And the name of the book was called The Party Decides.

02:01:06.560 And it's these political scientists.

02:01:07.900 And they're trying to write about how the how the political process really works within

02:01:13.160 parties.

02:01:13.660 And what their thesis was, was the people who really decide who wins a presidential nomination

02:01:19.080 are the party insiders.

02:01:20.800 It's who wins the endorsement battle, who wins the funding battle.

02:01:24.480 Who wins the most with like the state level operatives who have a lot of influence.

02:01:29.080 And they're the ones who really decide who gets nominated.

02:01:31.120 So Mitt Romney was nominated in 2012, not because he had the most organic support among

02:01:36.140 the Republican base, but because he won over Republican decision makers in the party.

02:01:42.000 And then Donald Trump shows up in 2016 and just does a total drive by shooting on this

02:01:46.160 thesis because Donald Trump is hated by the entire party establishment.

02:01:50.780 They very loudly freak out about him.

02:01:53.280 They reject him.

02:01:54.560 Even after he's winning votes, they're talking about stealing the nomination from him at the

02:01:58.820 convention.

02:01:59.280 And it's just they can't stop him.

02:02:01.040 He gets too many votes.

02:02:02.000 He just steamrolls the whole process, gets the nomination.

02:02:05.180 He follows none of the rules for how you're supposed to run for president with consultants,

02:02:10.680 with, you know, all these carefully massaged rules about what you should say in public,

02:02:15.480 what your ads should say, how you should message on issues.

02:02:18.260 Blows that all away.

02:02:19.420 Wings the entire thing.

02:02:20.660 Wins the election.

02:02:21.360 That is certainly like nothing anyone has done since the modern TV era of politics began.

02:02:28.600 And there's really nothing like it from before that era, too.

02:02:32.280 That the closest you'd get is maybe like William Jennings Bryan 130 years ago shows up at the

02:02:39.980 Democrat convention, gives a barn burner of a speech.

02:02:43.260 And they're like, that guy's great.

02:02:45.060 And then they nominate him and he gets killed by William McKinley.

02:02:47.340 Uh, so Trump's already beating out him.

02:02:50.340 And then just the stuff they throw at him to stop him.

02:02:53.060 That's also unprecedented.

02:02:54.620 We have never had a major presidential candidate who's running as, you know, a person who's

02:03:00.780 ever, who's been charged with a crime, convicted of a crime.

02:03:04.340 They are having to do stuff they have never done before to try to stop him.

02:03:08.420 And they're proving unable to do it.

02:03:10.880 The, the left is, they always would say Trump is a threat to our norms.

02:03:14.680 But as we said earlier, the threat to our norms is the Democrats and what they are doing to

02:03:19.480 try to stop Trump.

02:03:20.740 They're the ones who are going to say, we're going to do this Latin America style thing

02:03:24.840 where one of the candidates is charged with a crime or convicted of a crime.

02:03:29.280 We're going to do all this shady stuff to try to pack the Supreme court because they're too

02:03:34.180 dangerous to us.

02:03:35.860 And there really, as you look back and there's just nothing, there's nothing like it.

02:03:40.540 He is, it's a force of nature to behold.

02:03:45.600 I want to wrap here guys, cause we all have shows tomorrow and, uh, kind of go around the

02:03:49.680 horn, but I want to just remind you guys, get your tickets right now to the people's

02:03:53.080 convention.

02:03:53.540 Can you just throw out the people's convention graphic, please?

02:03:55.580 It's cut three.

02:03:56.420 Just throw up the graph graphic up there.

02:03:58.220 Uh, we have president Donald Trump.

02:03:59.900 It's time to rally behind him.

02:04:01.080 Vivek Ramaswamy, Dr. Ben Carson, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump Jr.

02:04:04.180 Candace Owens, Benny Johnson, Tulsi Gabbard, Byron Donalds, Kristi Noem, Laura Trump, Nigel

02:04:08.660 Farage, Rick Scott, and more.

02:04:10.000 So check it out right now.

02:04:11.220 Donald Trump needs your support.

02:04:13.320 TPaction.com slash peoples.

02:04:14.980 That is TPaction.com slash peoples.

02:04:16.780 Let's go around the horn one more time.

02:04:17.980 Uh, Jack, let's start with you.

02:04:21.260 Look, um, uh, well, since we're promoing, um, we'll be doing the book launch for Unhumans with

02:04:26.700 Joshua Lysak, my coauthor at the people's con.

02:04:29.420 Um, obviously we're there to support the movement.

02:04:32.180 Uh, people want to check that out.

02:04:33.580 It's unhumansbook.com.

02:04:35.100 Look, we explain what we're going through.

02:04:36.880 We explain what comes next and we explain how to win.

02:04:39.380 And so everyone who said that we were being very mean for calling these people unhumans,

02:04:44.340 well, uh, you were wrong.

02:04:46.800 I will say this as of today, the MAGA movement is now the 30 May movement.

02:04:54.120 Pre 30 May, we were one country and post 30 May, we are now a new country.

02:05:00.840 And the 30 May movement is all about taking whatever words you want to use to describe

02:05:08.040 the circumstances within which we find ourselves now and restoring the American Republic to

02:05:14.780 its former greatness.

02:05:16.540 That's what the 30 May movement's all about.

02:05:20.880 Amen.

02:05:22.000 Uh, Blake, final thoughts here.

02:05:25.260 I just think about how remarkable it is that we've come to this point and how

02:05:30.420 I just really think they're going to regret this, Charlie.

02:05:35.180 I think Democrats are going to think back.

02:05:37.520 I got to interrupt.

02:05:39.100 So, so Blake, are you calling your shot right now?

02:05:41.080 Cause Blake, you, you have, you're, you're, you're the most, let's just say critical of,

02:05:45.640 uh, certain things that we aren't critical of.

02:05:48.680 Are you calling the shot?

02:05:49.720 Are you saying that this is going to be net positive for DJT?

02:05:56.260 I think what I think I will say is I think we'll see hitting the polls initially.

02:06:01.780 I will predict that.

02:06:03.200 I think Donald Trump will sink in the polls briefly.

02:06:05.540 I think he will come back and by the time of election day, I think we will see a result

02:06:11.720 where they will think it probably would have been a better idea to not charge him.

02:06:18.360 And, uh, Hey, this actually might be an interesting thing.

02:06:21.180 And Andrew, I want everyone to think about this.

02:06:23.240 If we want to run against Joe Biden, if we think that Joe Biden is better than Gretchen 0.79

02:06:27.760 Whitmer, and I think Gretchen Whitmer would be really tough because I think she's a blue 1.00

02:06:31.020 wall designed candidate, then maybe if Trump takes a little temporary hit in the polls,

02:06:37.000 galvanizes the base, it keeps Biden competitive.

02:06:40.720 And then it allows us to run against actually the candidate that we think is weaker than a

02:06:45.560 hypothetical replacement candidate.

02:06:48.180 Final thoughts, Andrew.

02:06:50.360 Yeah.

02:06:50.820 I mean, I was, we, we had Newt Gingrich on the show today and he brought up, uh, what he

02:06:55.380 thought was going to happen.

02:06:56.140 It would be, if they're going to remove, uh, Joe Biden, it's going to be with Gretchen

02:07:00.400 Whitmer and Shapiro out of Pennsylvania.

02:07:02.560 Uh, yeah.

02:07:04.100 So, I mean, that, that was a wild idea that I had not considered.

02:07:08.000 So, uh, I agree.

02:07:09.300 We want to run against Joe Biden.

02:07:11.200 Um, I think I, I, I've, I've never actually been, uh, been in the camp that they're going

02:07:16.640 to remove him.

02:07:17.680 Uh, I think he's too stubborn.

02:07:19.260 I think he holds too many cards ultimately at the end of the day, he'll go down with the 1.00

02:07:23.280 sinking ship because he's a, he's a selfish SOB and he's a, he's a vile, vile, disgraceful 1.00

02:07:29.380 human. 1.00

02:07:30.000 So I think he, you know, I think he's got an ego the size of, uh, you know, the size

02:07:35.080 of, uh, Russia.

02:07:36.880 Anyways, here's my final thought though.

02:07:39.240 Um, I, I, I, you know, we talked about it before.

02:07:42.840 I'm very curious.

02:07:44.660 And the poll that I'm going to be watching is if this slight weakness that we've seen

02:07:48.920 in boomers, uh, if this, if this verdict reverses that trend and shores up boomers with

02:07:54.960 Trump, I think this is such an affront to the mental image, the muscle memory that boomers 0.96

02:07:59.880 have when they think about their home country, America.

02:08:03.040 Uh, I think this grates against the, the, the fact that we're not a banana Republic, at 0.78

02:08:07.680 least we weren't until May 30th.

02:08:09.340 And so I'm going to be watching that number.

02:08:11.280 And I think that this, when we talk about boomerangs backfires or whatever, that's what

02:08:15.740 I'm going to, that's what I really think.

02:08:17.580 I think that's going to, if you see movement there, uh, I think my prediction, my called

02:08:22.960 shot will be that November will go very well for us.

02:08:27.060 Okay.

02:08:27.640 I don't know.

02:08:28.540 Andrew, um, real quick.

02:08:31.120 Um, I know today is, uh, May 30th.

02:08:33.780 We're almost done May.

02:08:35.320 So, uh, Saturday is going to be June 1st.

02:08:38.880 So I just wanted to wish you a happy pride month.

02:08:43.160 It's gotta, you gotta pick on the California guy, huh?

02:08:45.520 Yeah.

02:08:45.740 Listen, I, uh, I'll say.

02:08:47.580 I'll say that, uh, any poll, any poll boost that they might get because of this, I think

02:08:52.260 might be reversed with pride month.

02:08:55.580 Yeah.

02:08:56.220 Just speaking of grading on the American public.

02:08:59.600 Yes, that's right.

02:09:01.060 Okay.

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Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 31, 2024

ThoughtCrime： The Trump Verdict Special

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