A Manhattan jury has found Donald Trump guilty on all counts in the Trump trial. This is a huge victory for President Trump and the people of New York City! Join Charlie, Jack, Andrew, Blake, and Steve as they react in real time to the verdict and the plan for the future.
00:23:54.180He said, America is a nation built upon the rule of law.
00:23:56.920The jury has spoken and carefully rendered a decision.
00:24:00.620Responsible leadership requires the verdict to be respected.
00:24:04.060And then Chuck Schumer has not issued a statement.
00:24:07.580I know that the Biden campaign and the Biden White House issued a very just sort of a ho-hum statement.
00:24:16.140It was not spiking the football, which was actually at odds from some of the original reporting, saying that they were going to have a press conference and do a whole song and dance after the verdict.
00:29:31.520And it's getting worse and it's a huge mess and most people when polled think Donald Trump was a better president than Joe Biden.
00:29:37.980So, he doesn't want a referendum on Biden and he doesn't want the election to be Trump versus Biden who's better.
00:29:44.120He would prefer it to just be all about Trump.
00:29:47.180And what I will say is Donald Trump has great political instincts, but I do think one of his biggest weaknesses is he does sometimes conflate his own personal stuff with the stuff of national importance.
00:30:01.180Now, this admittedly does blur the two.
00:30:03.560But what I think is the biggest winning move for Trump is anytime, like, Joe Biden tries to bring this up in a debate, Trump says, you're deflecting from the fact you're a disastrous president.
00:30:31.980Say, this is what you're doing because you're otherwise a disastrous president.
00:30:36.500And everyone else who supports Trump, all of his surrogates, you, his vice president, his vice presidential pick, Vivek, Vance, whoever it is, all the rest of us, we're all going to be saying plenty that this is a rigged process to throw Donald Trump in jail because it is.
00:30:52.060But for Trump himself, the key thing is, I was a better president, Joe Biden's a disastrous president, and that's why he's trying to throw me behind bars.
00:31:00.480And I think that's the winning message.
00:31:01.940And you don't want to get bogged down where Donald Trump is saying, oh, the judge was biased, this part of the trial was rigged against me.
00:31:11.080Don't get into the thicket of stuff you're only going to understand if you are following this every day on television because most people weren't, and they won't know for sure whether it's true or not.
00:31:21.620But what they do know is Joe Biden's a terrible president, and the country was better in 2018.
00:31:26.000So, Jack, I mean, I received, I would say, the shock that I get from some people, the can't-believe texts, the I-don't-understand texts, I just kind of laugh, and I got a couple of these recently.
00:31:41.300And I'm kind of like, wait, hold on, wait, I mean, have you been living in the country the last four years?
00:31:45.420Peter Navarro's in federal prison, they raided James O'Keefe's home, they have Rudy Giuliani indicted Mark Meadows, Tyler Boyer, they're going after attorney point action.
00:31:52.420Across the board, they basically dissolved the NRA, what country are you living in?
00:31:57.200I can't believe, oh, my goodness, the system of justice that we have bet our entire future on is not what we thought it once was.
00:32:05.420And I think this is a deep point that we must explore tonight, which is that the left, all they cared about was using power and taking over institutions to then take over the country.
00:32:19.380We have reverence for our documents, our traditions, and we've been afraid to entertain it, and we've held up as this ideal, this holy ideal, that our justice system will always save us.
00:32:33.180Well, guess what, moderate Republicans, you have bet on the wrong horse, because the justice system won't save you.
00:32:40.040The question is, can elections still save us?
00:32:44.980I imagine you've been receiving some of the same.
00:32:46.480Charlie, it's so interesting to me, because all throughout when I was down in Charlotte last weekend, and we were actually with President Trump briefly, and then even just being on my phone this week, people all keep texting me, oh, do you think Trump's going to pull this out?
00:33:06.720Do you think the jury's going to acquit him?
00:33:08.380And I just keep responding, he's going to be found guilty.
00:33:12.700I was very consistent on air that, yeah, there's these, you know, kind of like, what if scenarios, sure, fine, but, you know, more than likely, he's going to be found guilty, because show trial, show verdict.
00:33:23.260And it goes, it reminds me of something that we find in the Bolshevik Revolution, where there's this line that says, even as the Bolsheviks were taking power, that so many people just followed the usual course of daily life without realizing that they would soon become the victims of the horrors that would befall them.
00:33:46.380And that's written by Piotr Rangel, who was the leader of the white army that fought in the civil war against the communists.
00:33:53.340And so it's this idea that when there's these rapid changes happening throughout history, and we dig into this in the book, that people who are so close to it and so much have their routine actually can't see it and actually can't realize that these things are going on.
00:34:09.120But then those of us who have been tracking it on a daily basis, by the way, not just starting in 2020 or 2021 with what they've done to the J6ers or what they've done to Doug Mackey, but even going all the way back to 2017 and some of the stuff that we don't even talk about anymore, Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, the list goes on, General Flynn.
00:34:31.500Obviously, there's a movie out about that. So the list goes on. But this has been happening since the very beginning of the Trump era and this idea.
00:34:40.380And by the way, many of the names like Andrew Weisman, who I guess we didn't play his clip, we've been playing his clip all week on the other show, that this guy who said he had a huge man cross on Juan Mershon was intrinsically linked.
00:34:51.780He was the guy who ran the Mueller investigation to begin with.
00:34:54.120So there's been this cabal of people who's been attempting the de-Trumpification of America literally since the election was called on the night of, what was it, November 8th, 2016.
00:35:07.720And so for those folks that are in our orbit, those folks that are in politics, those folks that are consultants, it's just you guys haven't even been on the playing field.
00:35:16.620You haven't even been paying attention. You want to run around and you've got so many of these Republicans and everybody knows them.
00:35:22.420They want to talk about, oh, the war in the Middle East and, you know, whichever war of the week it is in the Middle East.
00:35:27.980Or they want to talk so much about the insolvable borders of Ukraine.
00:35:32.460Or they want to talk about, oh, such and such thing is going on and we need to defend, you know, the natives of East Timor.
00:35:39.000Oh, the natives of East Timor. It's like, guys, we get it. There's all this stuff that's going on.
00:35:42.860But what about the problem of the communists in our midst right now here in the United States?
00:35:47.960And they say, oh, you're being mean. Oh, you're talking too loudly.
00:35:50.820Or, oh, Jack's just trying to get clicks. Charlie's just trying to get more podcast downloads, whatever it is.
00:35:56.060But at the end of the day, what what happened here, Charlie, is that those of us that have actually been ringing the bell and sounding the alarm were just proven completely right.
00:36:07.060And just given verifiable proof that, yes, we are living through the era of a regime and we are living through an era of a regime and oligarchy, whatever you want to call it, that has decided to completely throw our republic out the window.
00:36:20.940And for those of the people who are saying we shouldn't fight back and we shouldn't use reciprocity and we shouldn't be like them and we shouldn't lower ourselves to their level.
00:36:28.740We have to stick by our principles. Everybody knows this. You guys were wrong.
00:36:32.800You've been a hindrance. And if anything, you've actually kind of been aiding and abetting those of us that have actually been trying to take the fight to the enemy this entire time.
00:39:17.180But I'm saying this stuff matters because we've been blown away just how few people have a plan to vote in this election, even if they're sympathetic to Donald Trump.
00:39:50.200You're seeing this like bubbling up happening.
00:39:52.780And here's my prediction, that today was the straw that broke the camel's back, and you are going to see a flood of pop culture, people that have had enough, that are going to stand by their principles publicly.
00:40:06.780They're going to own it, and that stuff on top of everything, on top of the grocery bills, on top of the gas bills, on top of the fact you can't afford a home, all of that stuff is going to add up.
00:40:16.800And it is going to create a momentum that we have never seen in this movement.
00:40:42.420We win the fact that people don't like these tyrants game.
00:40:45.280We win all of those things, and we're going to win this pop culture bubbling up game.
00:40:51.000But it's ballots in a box, and they still have us beat on that because they've been ramping it up basically for 20 years.
00:40:57.540They've had this plan for 20 years, and they executed it flawlessly in 2020.
00:41:01.880And we're trying to counteract that, but that's why wearing this hat in public, that's why speaking your mind in public is so important right now because there's so much meat on the bone.
00:41:10.620So many people are not registered to vote yet.
00:41:47.300See, I think I would rather have it be Biden who that applies to, who has – he could have made it if his supporters turned out, but they just didn't.
00:41:55.360But instead – like, you see this all the time.
00:41:57.920You'll see these people who will say, I like Trump, but I'm not going to bother voting because they're just going to rig it.
00:42:03.280Those are people who want to psychologically – they've psychologically already lost.
00:42:07.960They think that they can somehow win by not bothering to try, and by not bothering to try, this shows that they aren't letting the regime control them or emotionally manipulate them.
00:42:30.440Why put everything at risk when they can just rig the whole thing anyway?
00:42:33.280They did this because they think they can lose, that they think throwing Trump in jail will somehow help them this fall.
00:42:40.020And it is our job to make sure that they are incorrect, that this backfires, that this blows up in their face.
00:42:46.020But you only do that by actually going out to vote and making sure the people you know vote and making sure the ones who are waffling and on the fence and indecisive or just don't – they aren't good at following through on things by making sure that they vote.
00:42:58.760Make sure that they actually become a piece of paper that goes into the box and counts for one point in the giant high score battle that is a United States election.
00:43:21.100Be part of the Clipboard Army and get involved at tpaction.com.
00:43:25.580They are taking your country from you, and they already have.
00:43:28.880And when you see Donald Trump guilty on all 34 counts, that is a gut punch to the republic, a gut punch to you, to our founding fathers, to the sacrifices that many of you have given to this country.
00:43:41.820We do not have the best fighting force on the planet to go die and to go risk their lives for this nonsense.
00:43:51.400Hello, everybody, on Real America's voice as well.
00:43:53.280We are now joining and combining forces.
00:43:56.060We are going through the news of the day.
00:43:57.380Donald Trump guilty on all 34 felony charges.
00:44:01.120I want to play a couple pieces of tape here.
00:44:02.880But I want to say you guys can email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:44:06.580And I have a question for the audience here.
00:44:09.160Does this make you more likely to support Trump?
00:49:36.540So you've got a real situation here where you can see it's galvanizing support among a certain amount of people.
00:49:43.420And for another amount of people, it isn't really having any net effect on the election to begin with.
00:49:49.240And that's because, Charlie, quite frankly, I think going into this, people assumed Trump would be found guilty for different reasons, right?
00:49:55.940The liberals assumed he would be found guilty because they always think he's guilty.
00:49:59.060And conservatives saw it as the show trial.
00:50:01.820You're not going to see a big difference.
00:50:03.020Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, one sec, Andrew, I'm going to throw to you in a sec, but one sec.
00:50:05.800It's very important that Donald Trump got more popular as the trial went on.
00:50:08.860This was baked in, this is New York, this wasn't a trial in New Orleans, this wasn't a trial in Jackson, Mississippi.
00:50:14.160This is New York City, one of the most liberal cities on the planet.
00:51:37.720So I don't care how many ads the Biden team runs.
00:51:41.300They're trying to convince the rest of us that the things aren't as bad as we know they are because we're feeling in our pocketbooks.
00:51:48.800When you have to, if you're a Democrat and you have to go to your base this hard, you are really on the edge of collapse.
00:51:58.680If you were a comparable deal would be if a Republican had to try to shore up West Virginia.
00:52:02.920And I think what you're going to see in the next few months is a and it really worries me, frankly, that you're going to see a desperation when they come to realize nothing they're doing is going to work.
00:52:17.600And they're confronted with the likelihood that Trump's not just going to win.
00:54:11.840So those coordination efforts, right, three states, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, we're hiring hundreds of full-time staff chasing tons and tons of ballots, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in those states could be determined.
00:54:28.900We have this today, after the verdict, over a million dollars raised.
00:54:33.440Charlie, this is definitely your wheelhouse here.
00:54:39.960I mean, I venture to guess you've never had it like at least this easy, this direct, this unsolicited at Turning Point in the history of the organization.
00:54:51.040No, and it's people that the incoming is absolutely unbelievable of people that are traditionally center-right moderate donors asking, where do I donate?
01:01:43.280You know, he's he's sounding the alarm that that we can't even keep up with it.
01:01:46.780You know, with the demand that's going out the door, all this says is that the the the supply and demand will continue funneling money into the pockets of the oligarchy that is desperate for more war.
01:02:33.860Also, the fact that the Supreme Court's immunity ruling is coming down pretty soon that we hear just very interesting timing all around the story that we shouldn't overlook.
01:02:41.680And the fact that we're talking about the very subject is that even the New York Times reported this morning that the Biden administration has now authorized Ukraine to use American weapons to conduct strikes on the territory of Russia.
01:02:57.380So that doesn't mean these areas that they're currently fighting over.
01:03:01.480It doesn't mean areas where they're, you know, where they have this dispute over, you know, is it annexed?
01:03:09.640But Russia proper will now be attacked by U.S. missiles, potentially U.S. drones, other material that the United States has supplied.
01:03:20.960And they specifically have been talking about these early warning radars.
01:03:24.920They're going to be attacking Russia proper.
01:03:27.120So the question is, how is the Kremlin going to respond to something like that?
01:03:31.140They're bringing us to brinksmanship right now, today, and potentially being willing to actually escalate this proxy war that we're in into an actual hot war, all with the reason being that they know Donald Trump is coming back.
01:03:47.180And they don't, they desperately don't want to stop what Andrew was just saying, the gravy train that they have going on, possibly, they would be willing to actually even start a wider war, start a wider war with Russia so that if Trump comes in, that, you know, suddenly that if he's calling for peace and calling for, you know, an end to the conflict, they'll say, oh, he's a traitor.
01:04:10.560He's against America, et cetera, et cetera.
01:04:12.740But we can see which side is escalating this at this point.
01:04:15.300We can see it, Biden to allow Ukraine to use U.S. weapons to strike inside Russia.
01:04:20.040Again, this is the largest nuclear power on the face of the planet.
01:04:24.180It is complete insanity, and we have let these people run.
01:04:28.120We essentially, look, Joe Biden isn't actually running our government.
01:04:31.940Our government, Joe Biden is the CEO, the docile, weak, effete, overaged CEO of an organization that's being completely run by the dependors in the HR department.
01:14:37.400You already see donors talking about trying to force somebody on the ticket here and try to, you know, trying to, you know, not let Trump be Trump.
01:15:22.160Donald Trump is an ideological traitor because he challenged, as you would say, the easy money regime, the internationalist adventurous wards.
01:15:30.560So, Steve, what is Donald Trump's actual crime here?
01:16:44.860If we keep grinding and grinding and grinding, they can't beat us.
01:16:49.140And right now you see, and I think the lawyer you just had on is terrific.
01:16:52.640They're going to try to throw Trump in jail for a couple of years.
01:16:55.620They obviously set the sentencing right before the Republican convention.
01:16:59.380You can already see the John Boltons of the world and a lot of the donors and a lot of the runners, you know, already they're trying to force.
01:17:06.920The big event here is going to be trying to force Nikki Haley on the ticket as his prime minister and saying they're going to need the stability of Nikki Haley.
01:17:17.560And tomorrow morning I think people have got to be very focused and just grind this.
01:17:21.920This is going to be voter registration.
01:17:23.340This is going to be, you know, all the ballot chasing you're talking about, Charlie, all the get out the vote, people signing up as election judges, election, you know, election officials.
01:18:37.000You know, when we put together this book on a communist revolution, people said, why are you why are you putting together something like this?
01:18:43.260And I said, because that's what we're living through.
01:18:45.100And there were times where people, you know, even pushed back on that.
01:18:48.800And then all of a sudden, I've experienced this.
01:18:51.880Charlie's experienced this so far in the last 24 hours or so.
01:18:55.040And I wanted to see if you'd experienced this as well.
01:18:57.380That a lot of the GOP consultant class types and the fundraiser types and the Hill apparatchik types are texting me saying, oh, my gosh.
01:19:06.380I couldn't believe that this happened.
01:19:24.040This is one of the this is when you control opposition.
01:19:26.960You don't have to be down in the trenches.
01:19:29.440Anybody that spent a second on this knew this day was coming and they knew there were going to be 34 charges and they knew exactly how they were going to spin it.
01:19:36.740They knew how Rachel Maddow was going to do it.
01:19:38.360They knew how Andrew Weissman was going to do it.
01:19:40.440They knew how Tish James was going to do it all the way from Jamie Raskin to Arizona, to Michigan, to Georgia, to what's happening in South Florida, to what's happening on the Supreme Court.
01:19:50.420Now, if you're in this fight, it's very obvious what happened.
01:19:54.460It's also obvious how we get out of here.
01:19:56.600The people that text you that I can't believe this happened.
01:23:30.960What you guys have been doing at Turning Point USA, and I hope we hash this out next week at the People's Convention.
01:23:36.820That's why I think it's so timely in the workshops of town.
01:23:39.640It is now whoever works the hardest, whoever is the most focused, whoever is relentless and will not give up is who's going to win in November.
01:23:49.040And right now, I think we have the passionate people.
01:23:51.300I know my phone's blowing up from people that want to volunteer, that people want to get to work.
01:23:58.460Elbow grease and manpower and spirit is going to win it.
01:24:01.960So I think we just get – channel all that energy, channel all that anxiety, channel all that despair, and just channel it into work, work, work.
01:24:10.460If we don't quit, we use our agency, and we're action, action, action, we're going to win this fight.
01:24:17.780This is an unusual question, but I think it's important.
01:24:20.580I think this will be a net positive if we allow it to be won.
01:24:23.500What are major errors that could be done?
01:24:26.220The Uniparty trying to weaken our movement, infiltration.
01:24:29.780Give us a threat analysis here of things we should be looking out on the horizon of how we could fumble this because this very well is trending as if it's going to be a positive.
01:25:38.700You know, Nikki – there's no coincidences.
01:25:41.100Nikki Haley wasn't in Israel the last couple days signing bombs, right, to drop on Hamas.
01:25:46.980And her visit was like a state visit, okay?
01:25:50.300The timing of that from them was impeccable.
01:25:53.480Also, the day in Axios, if you look, what they have six or seven billionaires are now signing up.
01:25:58.260All these billionaires are all of a sudden in love with Trump.
01:26:00.320But what they're really in love with – they're really going to be in love with getting a neoliberal neocon on the ticket as his VP, saying you need to do that to bring people together.
01:26:09.600And that is – and she is going to try to be the prime minister of the second term.
01:26:14.720So we have to be on guard with that and say that's not going to happen.
01:26:48.880This is going to get at your base and also bring all those people that right now are just going through their own beginning of their great awakening.
01:26:55.580And that is nothing but old-fashioned get-out-the-vote, chase ballots, make sure we have election officials there, get in everybody's face about these mail-in ballots, make sure everybody's on top of it, and the lawyers get lawyers signed up.
01:27:21.460What we need now is good old-fashioned work.
01:27:23.720If we do not quit and we execute on that and we can execute on it, we're going to win, and we're going to win big.
01:27:31.780Steve, thank you for – I know you've got a run here, and you've got a big show tomorrow on War Room.
01:27:36.040And we're going to be doing this People's Convention here, and it requires public displays of support and using our agency.
01:27:43.640This is one of the most important things happening in the country right now, and that's why we're rallying in downtown Detroit.
01:27:50.220And, Steve, we want Detroit to be Bronx 2.0, where we have a ton of blacks and Hispanics that are coming to the event, black patriots and black Americans that are coming.
01:28:35.860No, I want to just mention the springboard.
01:28:39.600Steve said it's going to be a springboard.
01:28:41.360You know, yeah, there's going to be A-plus list speakers there, right?
01:28:45.640You're going to have all the biggest names in the movement, but the people are going to be really blown away if you go to this event that there are going to be massive coalition buildings, volunteer opportunities, precinct strategy.
01:28:58.000You're going to have a chance to get plugged in there.
01:29:01.780If you live in the territories where we're chasing ballots in Michigan, Wisconsin, in Arizona, you could have a full-time job saving the republic.
01:49:34.720Can I actually – can I just respond to – because I've been – something I've been meaning to say the entire night that – so when all this news broke, it was kind of surreal for me because we'd finished up the afternoon stuff.
01:49:49.760And I had just taken my son and driven home to pick up my six-year-old, and he was at a Little League game.
01:49:57.080And so 30 May 2024, you're always going to remember where you were when this happened.
01:50:03.500And I was at a Little League game with my son and his team, and they were doing some others – they were, you know, they're playing the game.
01:50:11.080And Tanya showed up with her other son a little bit later.
01:50:16.000And what was so interesting to me was that on my phone, it was lighting up, people were going nuts, the text messages were flying in, the calls were ringing off the hook.
01:50:25.960But all around me in kind of normie space, no one was talking about it.
01:50:32.680I don't think that most normies even – and I don't say that in a disparaging way.
01:50:36.960I mean, I love the people on the team and everyone at the school, but I just think that for average people that are outside of politics, this trial wasn't something that they were really following front of center because there's been so many Trump trials and so many Trump legal escapades over the last couple of weeks, over the last couple of years at this point, escapades, and really going all the way back to his original divorce with Ivana all the way back in the early 90s.
01:51:04.100And so it's kind of priced in, and it's just not something – I actually actively started listening after this.
01:51:11.760Not a single person at the game even brought it up once.
01:51:32.340And again, we can afford it, but it's noticeable.
01:51:35.480I mean, when you start to go and you have to feed a family of four and it's $700 for weekly groceries to eat like above average, you know, eat foods that aren't necessarily processed.
01:51:44.580Again, we can afford it, but for families that can't, I can't imagine just the rage.
01:51:50.660They care far more about being able to pay for their family, not going to debt to feed their family than Donald Trump's document case.
01:52:14.600I was so happy because I remember saying it to Charlie.
01:52:16.620I was like, you know what the best like campaign idea that we need?
01:52:18.940We need Donald Trump going along with like a white woman, a black woman, a Hispanic woman, and like an Asian woman or whatever.
01:52:26.620Like, you know, and going through just a normal grocery store, go like pick middle America grocery store, urban American grocery store, and just go and try and buy eggs, milk, toilet paper.
01:52:38.520That right there is something that this trial will never reach to.
01:52:45.680I mean I don't know if we have the clip, Ryan, but like there was a CNN clip where they were going through the polling data and they're just like nobody cares.
01:52:54.860The only good that this can do is really to galvanize our side to get even more involved, to donate more, to volunteer more, to ballot chase more.
01:53:06.740But like I'm telling you, the pocketbook issues time and time again, when he – when they wonder why – yeah, exactly.
01:54:22.440And, Charlie, I'd actually love your input on this.
01:54:25.220If you look across the different cohorts, the one group that Donald Trump is performing worse with than he was in the last election is boomers.
01:54:36.920What gives and how do we fix it is the question.
01:54:41.560Well, what gives is that boomers have actually generally – if you own property, you are substantially wealthier post-COVID.
01:54:49.040Now, that's not to say your purchasing power hasn't gone down.
01:54:52.280But if you own a home and you started to pay – let's say you started to buy a home in – this is why it's so important.
01:55:01.640It's a generational thing I understand.
01:55:40.000And so the baby boomers, nothing necessarily against them – that's a separate topic for a different time – is they've actually had a financial windfall under Joe Biden.
01:55:51.040Now, some that don't own property are still struggling, own businesses, and your purchasing power of your dollar has deteriorated.
01:55:57.120But your assets have gone up, so they're not feeling the squeeze.
01:56:32.860And Donald Trump is a vessel for that.
01:56:35.500Donald Trump is the pressure release valve because his entire candidacy is kind of a rebellion against the status quo.
01:56:41.620And so if you are getting poor because of the status quo and then you see them indict him, all of a sudden you want to then repel against the status quo – rebel against the status quo.
01:56:54.020Andrew, you have a question about that.
01:56:55.600Yeah, so my question is – so if all of these currents are working against Joe Biden with everybody except for boomers and boomers are like slightly weaker,
01:57:05.540this verdict tonight, if you talk like Main Street America, half the people are checked in, half the people are checked out, guess what?
01:57:17.300Does this verdict so great against their idea and their ideal of what America was when they were growing up and through the 80s and the 90s?
01:57:26.360Does this verdict so great against them – is Trump going to see a bounce back with boomers and is he getting a bounce back up to 2020?
01:57:34.040So, look, I don't want to overly generalize.
01:57:36.920I could just say in my own circle, people that are baby boomers are outraged about this.
01:57:40.920I did an entire program in August of last year live from Vegas.
01:57:44.940And it was one of our best shows, Andrew, of 2023, one of our best rated shows, where I went through a dialogue, an argument, and not even a debate, an argument I had with one of our Turning Point USA donors.
01:57:58.680It was a road show and I did a whole hour on this.
01:58:01.240And I was very blunt, as I am, and this guy was a military veteran, a good man, but he saw things differently.
01:58:09.480And he said – he stood up and asked a question because I went through how Donald Trump was almost assuredly going to go to jail and get convicted and they're going to try to throw him in jail unless he wins.
01:58:18.360And he said, Charlie, I've been around for quite some time.
01:58:21.980There is no way in this country that Donald Trump will ever be convicted by a jury of his peers and he'll never go to jail.
01:58:29.740And I said, I'm sorry, sir, you're wrong.
01:58:31.680I don't know what country you think you're living in.