Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Trump's Grand Deal In The Works - Russia, China, and Iran

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00:01:08.340 The U.S. and Iran plan to hold talks this weekend in Islamabad, Vice President Vance leading those.

00:01:13.280 As President Trump says, U.S. forces will remain in the region until a lasting peace agreement is made.

00:01:18.460 He wrote this, quote, all U.S. ships, aircraft and military personnel with additional ammunition, weaponry and anything else that is appropriate and necessary for the lethal prosecution and destruction of an already substantially degraded enemy will remain in place and around Iran until such time as the real agreement reached is fully complied with.

00:01:37.940 Iranian state media saying oil tankers have now been halted from passing through the Strait of Hormuz because of Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

00:01:46.680 Iran closing the strait, blocking oil tankers from going through as Israel unleashed a sprawling attack on Lebanon.

00:01:53.620 President Trump saying Lebanon is not included in this ceasefire deal, calling it, quote, a separate skirmish.

00:01:59.700 Dozens of consecutive strikes on Lebanon by Israel have rocked its capital, Beirut.

00:02:05.020 More than 200 people were killed in the strikes on Wednesday, according to Lebanon's health ministry.

00:02:09.760 The highest death toll for a single day in the last five weeks of the renewed conflict

00:02:14.440 between Israel and Iranian-backed Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.

00:02:18.580 Why is there not a rally around the flag event for Donald Trump?

00:02:22.580 In fact, you look at these numbers, they're absolutely bonkers.

00:02:26.100 There's been the opposite of a rally around the flag event.

00:02:28.940 Look at this. Net approval change due to actions in Iran.

00:02:31.900 If you look a month in, back during the Iranian hostage crisis, look at this.

00:02:35.400 Jimmy Carter saw his net approval rating jump up by 32 points.

00:02:40.020 There was a massive, massive rally around the flag event.

00:02:43.060 But look at this.

00:02:43.960 Trump's net approval rating, it's actually down.

00:02:46.900 It's actually down one, two, three, four points.

00:02:50.760 Four points since the beginning of the war in Iran.

00:02:54.840 And indeed, you can look at wars during the last 35 years in the Middle East,

00:02:59.720 and you see the same story.

00:03:01.400 That is usually you see rally around the flag events.

00:03:04.480 You're not seeing that. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events

00:03:10.320 Daily. We're here live on Real America's Voice. Today is April 9th, 2026. Anno Domine. Folks,

00:03:17.980 the grand deal, and that's what I want to lay out a little bit here today. People talking,

00:03:22.720 what's going on back and forth. Is the ceasefire happening? Is it really going on? Is President

00:03:28.180 Trump planning to go back to war with Iran? Are we going to see the strikes continue? Are we going

00:03:33.200 to see boots on the ground. Guys, guys, understand what President Trump is doing here is getting the

00:03:39.700 pieces in place for the grand deal. And I've been talking about the grand deal for a couple of weeks

00:03:45.400 now. And not a lot of people tell me that Trump wasn't working on a deal, that a deal wasn't in

00:03:50.520 the cards, that he was going all the way in, that they also had people who these warmongers

00:03:55.480 that wanted a full on boots on the ground invasion of Iran. They said, we need American

00:04:02.060 troops. We need American muscle. We need American boys on the ground. President Trump said, we're

00:04:06.980 going to do what we can. We did it from the air. And then he got to a point with Iran when they

00:04:12.260 eventually came to the table and he said, we're not going to need it. And those people are now 0.97

00:04:17.140 very, very upset and they're very, very much in their feelings. And, you know, I'm supposed to

00:04:22.120 feel sorry for them. And I just, I try very hard to be, I try very hard to be, but I'm just not,

00:04:27.040 I'm really just not. Because I've always told you that this is the negotiator in chief right here.

00:04:33.880 He's building the greatest deal that America has ever seen. And he's still working on it.

00:04:40.060 That's what people need to understand, that Iran and what they're doing vis-a-vis this Islamabad

00:04:45.980 meeting that's going to happen later this week. Vice President Vance were being told her. And

00:04:50.400 don't forget that right here on Human Events Daily was the first place that you heard the

00:04:54.100 vice president would be involved in these talks. He's going there. And if security holds, we've

00:04:59.960 said that's always been the biggest issue. If security is able to hold, that he will be personally

00:05:04.620 there on the ground in Pakistan with Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff. What we then also need to see

00:05:11.720 that it's not about Pakistan or Iran. It's not about Egypt. It's not about Turkey. It's about

00:05:17.040 the United States, Russia and China, the United States, Russia and China. And when I was with

00:05:23.460 the president on Air Force One. You guys remember what was the last question I asked him on air?

00:05:30.640 I said, would you be interested in bringing Russia and China into the board of peace?

00:05:36.700 And he said, yes. And he said, because you need Russia and China together. You need to work with

00:05:43.020 them. If you're good, these are the other two big dogs in the world. All right. America's the biggest

00:05:47.340 dog, but these are the other two big dogs. And that's what president Trump is structuring

00:05:52.280 everything around our relationship with Russia and China. We know what Kamala Harris would have 1.00

00:05:57.760 wanted. She would have wanted to go to war. She would have wanted World War III. President Trump 0.76

00:06:02.960 wants the deal. So what do you do? Well, if you want to constrain China, you have to constrain

00:06:07.640 their oil. You have to constrain their ability to receive petroleum. They receive it completely. 0.95

00:06:15.160 It's almost completely imported. So what do you do? You go to Venezuela. Then you go to Iran.

00:06:21.200 That's one. That's two. And what's the last place China gets their oil from is Russia. 0.96

00:06:26.860 So that will be the final piece here. Trump, his plan was going to go to China originally

00:06:33.920 a couple of weeks ago. That's been pushed off. That's May 14th. That's the sit down with Beijing.

00:06:39.140 Who's backstopping the Iranians and pushing for these talks in Islamabad? That's also China. So 0.58

00:06:45.980 if you don't understand that these things are entirely inextricably linked, then you have not

00:06:51.680 been looking at the broader picture of what President Trump intends to do and what he's

00:06:56.960 talked about doing for years now, putting America in a better situation vis-a-vis our geopolitics,

00:07:04.660 both militarily, yes, but more importantly, economically speaking, for the viable good

00:07:10.640 of the United States citizen and every American. Right back, Rich Barris here at Human Events

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00:09:21.120 So I wanted to bring in Rich Barris here on Human Events.

00:09:26.260 He's the People's Pundit.

00:09:27.620 Rich, you know, we usually have you on to talk polling, and I know there's a lot of polling news going on,

00:09:32.460 But, man, you and I offline have been having some great conversations about geopolitics.

00:09:38.020 People don't realize that you actually do have a geopolitical background.

00:09:41.320 And I've been walking through, you know, Iran.

00:09:44.440 And, of course, we're looking at the war and we've seen the polling on it.

00:09:47.220 Everyone's seen it.

00:09:48.400 But what I've pointed out to a lot of people here is that I think that what the president is doing isn't just about Iran.

00:09:56.000 It's not just about the Strait of Hormuz.

00:09:58.200 I said you're all looking at the wrong straight.

00:10:01.060 The real straight to look at is the Taiwan straight, because all of this has to do with China and the president is going over to China in just a couple of weeks time.

00:10:12.880 So, Rich, you know, we can we can put the Iran war in context or look the Iran operation in context now that Epic Fury seems to have winded down.

00:10:21.780 And of course, you know, caveat, caveat on that. But when you look at it in the context of China, does it do you is it to your is it to your mind that what the president's doing here is all about gearing up towards this showdown with Beijing?

00:10:38.180 Well, let's not forget until this military action in the Middle East, a lot of the reasons why foreign policy academics, international relations theorists were excited about Donald Trump is because the field is dominated by realists, Jack.

00:10:50.480 And he was basically the first realist president we had before he took this action. That is his record. And I don't think he's lost sight of that. This may be the silver lining. This is part of what we have been talking about.

00:11:02.960 Look, unfortunately, one of the issues with this war, with the Iran war, is that it has a delta blow to the security agreement that we have in the region, which also is similar to the agreement we have in Southeast Asia with Japan, with South Korea, right, and other allies.

00:11:22.980 So I do think that, again, I'm calling it a silver lining, but this may be finally our opportunity to pivot.

00:11:32.060 The president does have leverage here, which, I mean, we could go back to it.

00:11:36.380 I mean, the president clearly doesn't care what the polls say, right?

00:11:39.120 We could go back to it. 0.97

00:11:40.920 The Chinese have their interests there.

00:11:42.480 But you and I have – I don't mean to go too far ahead in the future here, but I do want to see what the president does.

00:11:48.840 he once upon a time did support the remilitarization, or at least allowing Japan to go their own route

00:11:54.000 and decide what they wanted to do. I just think this is our opportunity to have a generational 0.61

00:11:58.380 conversation. And that has been, it's like a big thing that's plaguing our country with so many

00:12:02.780 issues. You have the old guard who doesn't see the world in this way. So when they're looking

00:12:07.600 at this through the lens of, you know, when they're looking at the Iran war, they're looking

00:12:11.580 at through their generational lens and they're not looking at it like you have been. And I've

00:12:14.960 been watching your commentary. We're a different generation and we see it in a totally different

00:12:18.980 light. And I hope, I hope that this will be the beginning of having those conversations because

00:12:25.160 I want to see us pivot as we have been talking about for over 10 years more. When was Barack

00:12:31.640 Obama president for crying out loud and the pivot to Asia, right? I've long wanted to see that. I

00:12:37.040 just wanted to see us leave the Middle East on our own terms, but this may be exactly to your 0.99

00:12:41.120 point. This may be Trump's chance to try to, to try to do that. Well, and so you mentioned what

00:12:47.960 I just, I threw out as well, that the other big card to play, and you know, I haven't talked to

00:12:52.680 the admin about this at all, but I think one of the other big cards to play, you just mentioned

00:12:56.040 we did the whole show on it yesterday, remilitarizing Japan, because here's, here's

00:13:01.460 what you have, right? What you have is a clash, this, this competition really between the land

00:13:06.720 powers and the sea powers. And when you look in terms of geopolitics, America is one of the sea

00:13:12.340 powers. You also see Great Britain. That is the that's the European sea power. And then, of course,

00:13:18.140 with Asia, who's there? Japan. Japan, historically speaking, was the sea power there. Now, what is

00:13:25.920 the sea power? What does sea power have to do? The shipping lanes, freedom of navigation. That's what

00:13:29.860 the Suez is about. That's what Strait of Hormuz is all about. The land powers, of course, Persia, 0.79

00:13:36.000 Russia, China, India. Those are your land powers. So if you're moving to put one of the sea powers

00:13:43.240 in check, which I believe the president is trying to do, what is the best way to do that? What's a

00:13:48.400 great way to do that? Build up one of your allies. And Japan, look, in 1945, that was a, what, two

00:13:56.740 generations ago? That was a, you know, almost a century ago when you think about it. It is a

00:14:01.460 completely different world now that we are in. And historically speaking, the West has worked

00:14:08.060 with Japan in the past to put China in check. And if you're worried about the Taiwan Strait,

00:14:14.220 if you're worried about the three island chains, it just makes sense. And by the way,

00:14:19.160 Vietnam and the Philippines as well, right? You work with all of those in that defense,

00:14:24.060 because now you've got your ceiling, which is Japan, and then you've got your floor.

00:14:29.540 that's the South China Sea, that's Vietnam and the Philippines. So Rich, walk us through what

00:14:36.760 we're trying to get at here. Yeah. And by the way, not to jump too far ahead,

00:14:41.460 but it's also a reason why when Donald Trump, when the president used to or tried to introduce

00:14:48.360 this concept of re-engaging with Russia, it was the right call. They don't have to be

00:14:53.300 our best friends, Jack, but if the real threat is China and who are they allied with, of course, 0.55

00:14:59.380 right Pyongyang if they are the threats I mean now you have North Korea has nuclear weapons

00:15:04.340 Japan does not right who does Russia right so if you're trying to box someone in in a sphere of 0.55

00:15:10.440 influence the correct way to do that is sometimes to make friends with people that you normally 0.51

00:15:15.000 wouldn't be friends with but we're dug into this Russia phobia and it's preventing us from being

00:15:19.840 able to again we it's every now and then you have to re-examine the map re-examine what we call the

00:15:26.320 international state of anarchy, right? It's a system and a great power balance lies within it.

00:15:31.200 It doesn't stay the same forever. And the United States has been sitting in this stale blob,

00:15:36.540 Cold War mentality. Russia phobia has been birthed out of it. It's been used in our domestic

00:15:41.540 politics and it's paralyzed us from being able to move on to what the president's trying to do.

00:15:46.580 You know, bringing up with naval versus land powers, we have an advantage with that. I mean,

00:15:51.540 russia of course would still be largely is a land power but we have an advantage as we're insular

00:15:57.580 japan is an island that makes them insular so it's great britain by the way it does give us

00:16:02.540 an advantage we're harder to get to we can take i don't want to say more defensive posture and get

00:16:06.540 people to take the wrong idea but it can allow us to finally concentrate more on ourselves because

00:16:11.440 they cannot project power across water yet and we and so it gives us the advantage to try to get

00:16:16.440 our own act together. But we are behind on this, Jack. When it comes to Japan and remilitarizing,

00:16:22.260 they've had this domestic goal. They've had this domestic conversation. I saw a lot of promise

00:16:28.420 during the first administration because his relationship with Abe was so, Sun Tzu Abe,

00:16:33.160 the late, of course, prime minister, was so strong that I was hoping we could see them

00:16:38.780 finally get on the same page. But the domestic conversation is there because none of this

00:16:43.300 matters if they don't have the will for it. But of course, we have seen them move in that

00:16:47.100 nationalist direction. They're not Germany. The post-World War II era is over in the way that

00:16:53.740 we saw it. I hate to say it, but we've been focused too much on Europe and the old power 0.99

00:16:58.600 structure for too long, Jack. We just have. And look, did they come to the president's aid when

00:17:05.660 he asked, right? What did NATO tell him? So it's time to rebalance. We need a new balancing

00:17:10.640 coalition. It's time. No, we need a new balancing coalition. And by the way, talking about sea

00:17:15.840 power, talking about sea approaches. So if I'm talking about Japan at the, you know, up in the

00:17:21.440 northern Pacific, what do we see up in the northern Atlantic? What are we doing to keep that on on 0.99

00:17:26.040 lock? Oh, right. Greenland. Greenland is right there for the northern Atlantic. And what did

00:17:31.240 we see? President Trump truth out last night when he said, oh, NATO has a problem with coming to the

00:17:37.280 United States as aid when we need it. Well, maybe we should talk about Greenland. Maybe we should

00:17:42.100 talk about that again. And when I was in Davos with the president on when he spoke and on that

00:17:47.040 delegation, he brought up Greenland and he said, we're going to do a deal there. And they put that

00:17:51.680 to rest. But that doesn't mean that the United States cannot does not. And by the way, I would

00:17:56.940 even argue should not go in and work on a deal directly with the Greenlanders and find a way 0.71

00:18:04.500 that Greenland, I'm just saying it, Greenland should be part of the United States. It should

00:18:07.980 be. It is in our interest. And who is the naval power that should have the ability to control the

00:18:13.460 GI-UK gap directly? It's the United States. Boom. I said it. Yep. Yeah. And Jack, look,

00:18:18.840 this is another thing about what we're talking about, the future. We're talking about changing

00:18:23.880 the order, the balance of power into something that allows us to refocus on our own hemisphere.

00:18:30.000 It gives us a chance to take a breath, to regather ourselves, to rebuild our strength, and to focus and lock down our own hemisphere.

00:18:37.140 I think a lot of people would be surprised about what my own views are about how we should be in this hemisphere.

00:18:42.200 We need Greenland.

00:18:43.260 We need it, Jack.

00:18:44.320 We're $40 trillion in debt.

00:18:45.760 We need a lot of other people's stuff, too.

00:18:47.580 And it can be done.

00:18:49.140 Look, we were talking about this the other day with the Panama Canal.

00:18:51.680 We had a very different posture at one point.

00:18:54.200 It's the current system that constantly baits and bleeds us, you know, into other other regions, which honestly, we just can't afford to be in anymore like that.

00:19:03.740 That's exactly right. We need a new order. People's Pondit here. Human Events Daily. We'll be right back.

00:19:13.060 Talk about influences. These are influences and they're friends of mine. Jack.

00:19:19.300 All right, Jack, we're back live here. Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice. We're on

00:19:33.980 with Rich Barris, the people's pundit. We're talking about the shifting balance of power

00:19:39.360 on War Room. We talk about hemispheric defense. We talk about Western power,

00:19:45.460 But we're also looking at the shifting goal. But look, do you want America? It's real simple, folks.

00:19:50.820 Do you want to be America to be the world empire anymore? Do you want America to have its system of and rich?

00:19:57.680 This is what I ask you about this idea that America is going to be the world empire.

00:20:01.600 We have these we call them international organizations, but they're actually U.S. dominated organizations. 0.64

00:20:07.360 All of these things that we use, we call it international law, but it's ultimately we're the ones who pay for it.

00:20:12.460 we're the ones with the United States Navy that have to backstop it. And I can remember

00:20:15.980 serving in the United States Navy and we're going to these far flung regions of the world and we're

00:20:23.200 doing all the work. And I remember sitting there thinking, does this really benefit us? Is this

00:20:27.940 really in the benefit of the United States of America? When I see what's going on on the border,

00:20:33.080 you know, and then a movie like Sicario comes out and you're like, how come we're, you know,

00:20:36.920 We'll go to town when it comes to Mozambique or when it comes to the Al-Shabaab in Somalia, 0.96

00:20:45.100 but we can't do the same thing when it's the Zetas right on our own border. 0.98

00:20:48.960 What's going on? 0.74

00:20:50.100 It feels like our priorities are out of whack, and it's because we're upholding this globalist system.

00:20:55.440 And so I've always said that MAGA is about the repudiation of globalism.

00:21:00.420 It's not about upholding globalism.

00:21:02.000 So if you want a new system, you have to create a new system.

00:21:06.920 And I would argue and I would stipulate that that's what President Trump is actually doing.

00:21:11.580 So, Rich, let's walk through that some more.

00:21:13.800 Does it make sense for us to continue holding up the whatever you want to call it, the U.S.-led rules-based order, the post-war consensus?

00:21:21.780 What do you want to call it?

00:21:22.180 Does it make sense for us to continue moving along this system?

00:21:25.900 Because that's what Joe Biden was doing.

00:21:27.460 That's what Kamala Harris wanted.

00:21:29.420 Yeah, I think you just said it. 1.00

00:21:30.920 What MAGA has always been about is a repudiation of the globalist order.

00:21:34.320 The globalist order is defined by the international system right now.

00:21:37.980 You know, NATO is a huge part of it.

00:21:39.580 Look at what the president just truthed out.

00:21:42.040 You know, we were talking about this over the break.

00:21:44.100 I mean, he's hammering NATO.

00:21:45.260 He's going over NATO.

00:21:46.040 When he needed NATO, NATO wasn't there for him.

00:21:49.220 NATO is a reason why we're in a war in Eastern Europe right now with the power, which I referenced in the last section.

00:21:56.900 We don't have to love. 0.80

00:21:58.300 We don't have to share full morality with. 1.00

00:22:00.920 The Ukrainians are deeply corrupt. 1.00

00:22:02.400 We act like this is somehow a moral country, and Russia's the big bad guy. 1.00

00:22:08.660 NATO was not there for us.

00:22:10.780 We're entrenched in a war in Eastern Europe.

00:22:12.940 Ladies and gentlemen, NATO was created to balance the Warsaw Pact.

00:22:16.380 The Warsaw Pact has been dissolved.

00:22:18.520 It has not evolved in its mission in any significant way since the end of history after the Cold War. 0.73

00:22:25.280 This will forever, if we continue operating in this system, we will continue to bleed our resources, to bleed our blood, our treasure out in other people's ventures, which we get nothing back for in return, right?

00:22:37.900 Did they come to our aid, Jack, the way we came to their aid in Europe?

00:22:41.980 It wasn't, you know, solely that we were helping Ukraine.

00:22:44.600 We were helping other Western countries who were afraid of Russia, France, Germany.

00:22:49.600 Did the French come and help us?

00:22:51.960 No, they vetoed us at the Security Council. 0.87

00:22:53.880 The norms, the institutions, again, I mean, it's really, there's no better, there's no better example of this expression. This is all fake and gay. It's unnecessary. The NATO powers are absolutely useless and they're just draining us. And by the way, while they do, we allow them to engage in these experiments like social, you know, like democratic socialism, right? And we allow them to flourish and pretend like that kind of a system can work without the US subsidizing it. It's ridiculous. 1.00

00:23:22.980 I mean, the entire point of MAGA was not to pull back and be isolationist.

00:23:27.540 I know a lot of people who have been voices at the front of the MAGA movement for 10 years, OG MAGA, who are okay with empire as long as it's empire that suits us, as long as it's realistic, right?

00:23:41.320 As long as it allows us to deal with our own stuff in our own backyard and, again, our own hemisphere.

00:23:46.260 We make light of the Greenland situation, Jack.

00:23:48.980 We need Greenland.

00:23:49.860 We can't be – we can't afford to mess around in Eastern Europe.

00:23:53.880 We should be on better terms with Russia. 0.92

00:23:55.780 They should be helping to balance China while we deal with Greenland, while we take Greenland, while we take back whatever else we want to take back. 0.79

00:24:02.580 But this system is designed – this is the – I don't think people understand.

00:24:08.000 By the way, Rich, on that point real quick.

00:24:09.720 It's intended to drain us.

00:24:10.760 Yeah.

00:24:11.100 By the way, Rich, on that point real quick, the United States already has Greenland.

00:24:16.180 And it isn't even about taking it back because the who was it that Greenland in World War

00:24:22.020 Two with their military from the Germans when they were going to get it and they were going

00:24:27.340 to they took over Denmark, they occupied Denmark.

00:24:29.480 And who was it that went in and prevented the takeover of Greenland?

00:24:33.040 It was the United States military and it was the United States that did that.

00:24:36.920 And I'm sorry, when you took territory in wartime, that actually used to mean something.

00:24:41.580 I'm just saying.

00:24:42.860 We're the only ones who give things back, Jack.

00:24:45.860 We're the only ones who do this.

00:24:47.160 And this post-World War II order was designed at a time when we were one of only two remaining standing superpowers.

00:24:56.760 And we decided, not that the Russians did, we decided that it would be okay for us to export a little bit of our wealth, 0.53

00:25:03.560 a little bit of our treasure, a little bit of our blood, a little bit of our way of life in order to keep the rest of that world stable. 0.65

00:25:09.560 Well, this really hasn't worked.

00:25:11.920 I mean, that's the truth of it.

00:25:12.920 people would argue that NATO has been a stabilizing force. NATO's been an aggressor

00:25:17.860 in the interest of the European powers who don't come to our aid when we need them.

00:25:24.160 So this entire thing, it was never designed to continue forever because, of course, we don't

00:25:30.960 have finite power to lend to the rest of the world. We're in enormous debt. We need to lock

00:25:37.320 down our own system. We need to make sure that we're still competent at balancing the real

00:25:41.800 threat, which is of course the Chinese. And it's time to move on from this old stale way of 1.00

00:25:47.280 thinking. And unfortunately, again, this is generational. It's why you hear people like

00:25:52.140 Lindsey Graham constantly bring up Munich, right? And all of these other myths of empire, they're

00:25:58.260 stuck in this generational mindset. And it's not their fault. You're defined by your generation

00:26:03.300 in many ways, but the world changes. And if our leaders don't change with it, then it's time for

00:26:08.640 new leaders. Donald Trump understood that. He understood the world needed to go in a different

00:26:12.520 direction. And unfortunately, these systems are strong. They don't want to go, right? So he needs

00:26:19.280 all the support he can. And that's what I'm going to say. Leaving NATO, Jack. And as the new system

00:26:25.520 is being created, that's why he's trying to put the United States in the most powerful spot that

00:26:30.860 he can as these negotiations for the new system, as I call it, the grand deal take place. Rich

00:26:36.880 where can people follow you brother best placed on locals all the best peoples pundit.locals.com

00:26:42.680 thanks jack talk to you guys right back with the great michael knowles here human events daily

00:26:48.000 where is jack where is jack where is he jack i want to see you

00:27:06.880 Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do. You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:27:12.000 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys and these are the guys who

00:27:16.840 should be getting policies. All right, Jack, we're back live here, human events daily, and

00:27:24.860 we've got huge breaking news. So there's been this story, this narrative running around

00:27:29.040 all over Washington, D.C. It's about a meeting that took place all the way back in January of

00:27:36.140 this year regarding Cardinal Pierre, the then papal nuncio to the United States as sort of the

00:27:44.000 the ambassador, if you will, from the Vatican to the U.S. and a meeting that he held with

00:27:50.480 Elbridge Colby, who is the undersecretary of war for policy. And there's been this narrative in

00:27:57.840 left wing media that there was this huge clash between them, that it was this just, you know,

00:28:04.040 barn burner of a meeting. And yet the photos that have come out that have just now been released

00:28:09.720 minutes ago by the Pentagon, well, they don't appear to be caustic at all. They're photos.

00:28:17.100 And if we can get them up, guys, they're sitting down politely. There's photos of them smiling and

00:28:22.320 shaking hands. And, you know, they're pointing out that this was sort of a get to know you

00:28:27.280 kind of meeting. It wasn't a argument or a debate or, you know, anything like the media has been

00:28:34.100 trying to say. It was actually a quite cordial meeting. And as they say, a respectful and

00:28:40.660 reasonable discussion. And the Pentagon writes, we have nothing but the highest regard and welcome

00:28:45.340 continued dialogue with the Holy See. So I want to get on someone to, I heard that this was going

00:28:52.520 to be coming out. I had reached out to the Pentagon to see what's going on with this story

00:28:57.120 I mean, it felt like a left wing, you know, media op.

00:29:00.220 I think that's what's going on here.

00:29:01.960 But I wanted to reach out to noted Catholic Michael Knowles to bring him on here because he is a Catholic.

00:29:09.280 He has been so in public.

00:29:10.940 And and if I understand correctly, Michael, are you now a Catholic?

00:29:15.860 You know, I am now a Catholic, Jack.

00:29:18.460 I saw the other day that everybody on Twitter was becoming Catholic.

00:29:23.020 It was on Easter Sunday, actually. 0.63

00:29:24.820 And I said, well, I want to get in on this.

00:29:26.660 I'm feeling left out.

00:29:27.700 So I tweeted, I said, I am now Catholic.

00:29:30.400 I was also Catholic yesterday.

00:29:32.080 I was Catholic the day before that, too.

00:29:33.560 But I am now one, as I believe are you.

00:29:37.900 Indeed, I am now Catholic.

00:29:39.440 I was Catholic yesterday.

00:29:40.760 I was Catholic on Easter.

00:29:42.080 I was Catholic when I was, I'm Polish.

00:29:44.460 Like, we pretty much only come in one flavor.

00:29:46.420 So that's, you know, that's kind of par for the course.

00:29:49.180 But break down your just reaction.

00:29:51.820 I know these photos have just been released,

00:29:53.240 But we've we've been sort of living through this narrative of, you know, a war between the Pentagon and the Vatican.

00:30:00.240 And it was all about this meeting. And gosh, I mean, look at the fireballs being thrown in this in this meeting.

00:30:06.420 I mean, it just it's it's I understand that these these are graphic photos.

00:30:11.220 I want to be very careful. If anyone has small children at home, I should have put up a viewer discretion, be advised warning.

00:30:16.380 Because, I mean, you look at the the fangs, just the fangs and the, you know, of Elbridge Colby.

00:30:23.240 Just hiding behind the smiles and the handshakes. I'm sure there's a fang in there somewhere. Yes. When it comes to any story about the Trump administration, because he has because the whole administration has been the target of so many lies, I always have to consider the source.

00:30:40.140 when you add religion and specifically the catholic church into that the catholic church

00:30:45.560 also the subject of many a media op all of a sudden my vigilance is turned up to 11 and so

00:30:52.320 when i saw this story going around i looked at who was promoting it one of the chief guys

00:30:56.340 promoting this story even if he didn't publish it initially is this guy christopher hale i think his

00:31:01.740 name is who is oh gosh that guy he's a huge he's a huge lib yeah yeah you can't i mean leftist

00:31:10.060 catholic is a contradiction in terms and uh so when i see a lib or a heretic or a liberal heretic

00:31:16.360 promoting some story about the government and the church already i'm really really skeptical of it

00:31:21.820 but uh then i saw the pictures and i said okay i'm glad i was skeptical because if if the story

00:31:27.740 is right and the trump administration were threatening to i don't know depose the pope

00:31:32.920 with an anti-pope send the papacy to avignon as it was in the middle ages i you know it sure

00:31:38.800 doesn't look that way from the photos of this meeting. However, it does bring up an enduring

00:31:44.300 and important topic, which is namely that the spiritual authority and the secular authority

00:31:49.300 have always been in a little bit of tension with each other. I mean, this doesn't just go back to

00:31:54.660 the Francis era or the Benedict era. This goes back to the fifth century. And so there's a famous

00:32:01.360 Catholic maxim, which is duo sunt. Duo sunt comes from a papal letter, Famuli Vestre Pietatis,

00:32:09.720 which was written by Pope Galatius I. It was written to the Byzantine emperor to say, hey,

00:32:15.260 look, we have different roles here. And so the spiritual authority is superior to the secular

00:32:21.160 authority because the spiritual authority looks at eternity, whereas the secular authority looks

00:32:26.040 at the temporal world however we do have different areas of competency you see this debate play out

00:32:31.820 later in the middle ages uh dante famously was a little tough on the pope he puts a couple of popes

00:32:37.400 in hell he sides with the emperor when it comes to the pope even though he's part of the political

00:32:42.560 party that supports the pope over the empire all of which i say not as fun church political trivia

00:32:49.700 but to point out there's always been a little bit of tension especially in western christendom

00:32:54.600 And so the idea here that this free press story promoted by liberals is going to suggest that the U.S. is going to go to war with the Holy See, it's just totally laughable.

00:33:05.000 It's historically illiterate.

00:33:06.640 And it seems to be dishonest, judging by what the Department of War just put out.

00:33:12.420 Well, I think the story was dishonest.

00:33:14.560 And, you know, I also saw people trying to, you know, try to, I think, use this as a wedge of, you know, putting it between the Pentagon and the Trump officials and the pope, because obviously we're in the midst of or at the time had been in the midst of a war.

00:33:30.200 We're currently in the midst of a ceasefire. So people who really supported the military effort wanted to try to, you know, pit these people against it.

00:33:38.980 And they said, well, Pope Leo has come out and talking about war and all that.

00:33:41.880 I said, guys, newsflash, popes generally in the modern era are not pro-war, regardless of what the war is.

00:33:49.060 Pope John Paul II, one of the last things that he did on the world stage was speak out against the start of the Iraq War.

00:33:55.720 So this isn't something new.

00:33:57.120 It's not really a new trend.

00:33:58.300 It's not really something that is going to, I think, break the news cycle.

00:34:03.520 You know, shocker, right?

00:34:05.320 Church leader calls for peace.

00:34:06.880 It's not exactly something new. And that's why I think I was so confused when I saw people

00:34:12.280 bringing it up. I said, yeah, well, the popes are generally always like that. That's that's

00:34:16.480 pretty much what they go for. And to your point, right, they have different they have different

00:34:20.420 goals in mind. You know, some people are using this to attack the Trump administration as being

00:34:25.440 anti-Catholic, which I think is pretty laughable. We have the first practicing Catholic vice 0.97

00:34:29.760 president we've ever had in American history. Some of the officials in that room, actually,

00:34:33.520 the Pentagon are Catholic. So that to me is a total joke. And then some people, as you point 0.97

00:34:37.880 out, Jack, are using this to attack the Pope. Some are claiming that Pope Leo XIV is a liberal or

00:34:44.640 something like that. And I think this speaks to an understandable ignorance of what the Pope is

00:34:51.460 and what the Catholic Church is. The Pope, whether we're talking about Pope Leo or we're talking

00:34:57.380 about pretty much every other pope, the pope is much more conservative than basically any American

00:35:04.260 politician in either party. When it comes down to the litany of issues, whether we're talking about

00:35:09.840 life, whether we're talking about marriage, whether we're talking about sexual ethics,

00:35:14.100 even when we're talking about hot button issues like abortion, on which Pope Leo has a relatively

00:35:19.200 moderate and I think even slightly conservative view, when we get down to issues like war,

00:35:23.160 again in which pope leo i think has a pretty moderate view the pope is is very conservative

00:35:29.020 there you cannot map the left-wing political paradigm onto an institution such as the catholic

00:35:35.240 church let's not forget the left-right political paradigm was established at the beginning of the

00:35:39.900 french revolution to distinguish between the people who supported the church who sat on the

00:35:44.420 right side of the national assembly and the people who hated the church and wanted to destroy it who

00:35:48.840 sat on the left. You can't map these things on. The only institution in the West to survive

00:35:55.340 since antiquity, the Catholic Church, is by definition very, very conservative. And I think

00:36:01.980 people are, to your point, they're trying to gin up divisions where none exist.

00:36:07.020 I think that's right. And I've said, look, if you want to, you know, if he's popping off about

00:36:12.200 immigration or something, and we want to get into that all for it, I do it myself, as a matter of

00:36:17.720 And I think he's, you know, much better, by the way, than Pope Francis has been on that hot button issue.

00:36:24.820 And, you know, he said some things that, you know, that I, you know, are concerning to me.

00:36:29.480 But we haven't seen the same level of, I think, abrasion between himself and conservatives that we saw under Pope Francis.

00:36:36.800 And Pope Leo has actually called for communion with the Latin right, with the Latin mass, which I think is phenomenal.

00:36:43.180 We had my brother on the other day.

00:36:44.700 We were talking about this just after Easter Sunday, because this has been—that was—I

00:36:51.740 mean, it felt like a burgeoning schism within the Church, almost, this idea that the Latin

00:36:56.460 Mass Catholics and the Novus Ordo, Modernist Catholics, were in totally different camps

00:37:02.940 on this, and it was going—it was getting—it was bubbling up to the point where it could 0.59

00:37:08.640 have gotten ugly, and it looked like an ugly situation.

00:37:11.740 And here we have the Pope coming in and saying, you know what, we have to find a way to bridge

00:37:16.100 the divide.

00:37:16.820 If you feel pulled towards the traditional rite of mass, then we should not try to stamp

00:37:23.380 that out.

00:37:24.000 We should respect that.

00:37:25.080 And by the way, those are the types of Catholics, we'll get into that in the next segment here

00:37:28.260 a little bit, those are the types of people that are flocking to the church among Gen

00:37:32.740 Z.

00:37:33.120 Quick break.

00:37:33.820 Jack Posobiec, Michael Knowles here is our guest.

00:37:36.780 We're doing a little Catholic talk, talking about the Vatican here on Human Events Daily.

00:37:41.740 This is the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour.

00:37:45.800 I can say confidently, I believe, I think Josh Shapiro would be the vice presidential

00:37:50.060 nominee if it wasn't for Jack Posobiec.

00:37:51.760 And that is, I'll be honest.

00:37:58.820 All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back live, Human Events Daily.

00:38:01.460 We're on with Michael Knowles.

00:38:03.520 And Knowles, I had to ask you, because, you know, we were talking about the Vatican, we're

00:38:07.740 talking about the Pope, we're talking about Catholicism in America.

00:38:11.740 America as sort of this, you know, are there differences between, you know, the presidency

00:38:16.380 and the Holy See, obviously, but there's this huge narrative going on.

00:38:23.100 And we've kind of been talking about a little bit on the show this week already about this

00:38:26.640 Gen Z, you know, is it a trend?

00:38:29.700 Is it a fad? 0.89

00:38:30.540 Is it here to stay this movement towards Catholicism? 1.00

00:38:34.540 And I think all those questions are valid. 0.91

00:38:36.420 But let me ask you, because I know you talk about this a lot.

00:38:39.280 What do you think is driving?

00:38:41.020 What do you think is underpinning this? Because, you know, when Gen Z really first started coming online a couple of years ago, you know, I think of shows like Euphoria and like Zendaya and Sidney Sweeney and these types of things.

00:38:52.260 And that doesn't lead me to think, I don't, it's tough to draw a line from that to the Holy Roman Church, so Roman Catholic Church. 0.71

00:39:01.360 So I'm trying to figure out, how did this start in the first place? 0.92

00:39:04.580 So three things, I think, when it comes to the Gen Z conversions, and Gen Z really is driving this, especially young men. 0.67

00:39:10.040 The first one is the Holy Spirit, I believe, is what's driving it. 0.51

00:39:14.860 That's exactly what my brother said, by the way.

00:39:17.000 That's exactly what my brother said when I asked him that question.

00:39:19.220 First answer.

00:39:19.600 He's a smart man. 0.93

00:39:20.500 So the second part is transgenderism, and the third part is COVID. 1.00

00:39:26.040 I think those are the immediate reasons that we're seeing this happen right now. 0.99

00:39:30.940 Now, this, of course, has been building for decades and even centuries, in my estimation. 0.79

00:39:35.340 but what trans did was it uh denied the the importance of the body it said that you are not 0.84

00:39:42.460 your body and your body is really has no connection to your true identity so you can look like a man

00:39:47.880 but be a woman you can chop up your body but you're that's not really you and that that's just 0.96

00:39:52.380 not true we all know that we are our body we're also spirit but we're we are our body and so

00:39:58.600 people i think are drawn to religion that deals with the body a lot of modern religion doesn't

00:40:04.160 really deal with the body. It's a motivist. It's a personalist. But, you know, you need to be drawn

00:40:09.300 to liturgical or sacramental religion if you're going to deal with the body. And the Catholic 0.76

00:40:13.700 Church does that more perfectly than any other institution. In fact, many religious groups have

00:40:19.940 defined themselves against that. And so I think that's why you're seeing a Catholic surge there. 0.85

00:40:23.040 Then the other one is COVID, because COVID participated in much the same social problem.

00:40:27.960 It alienated us. It told us we could live our lives virtually on screens. So it said, you know,

00:40:33.300 you can say goodbye to granny in the hospital on a screen not in person it said you go to school 0.75

00:40:38.100 on a screen it said that your whole social life can exist locked up in a cube as long as you can

00:40:43.400 be present in the virtual world and we're not satisfied by that we want to touch people we

00:40:47.200 want to hug people we want to go out and get a drink smoke a cigar throw a baseball and so i

00:40:52.060 think people are therefore once again drawn to the sacramental and liturgical aspects of the church

00:40:57.080 And then the final little coda to those top three is that the new atheism was spent, the new atheism that said that only dummies are religious in the 2000s and that had a particular hatred for the Catholic Church.

00:41:09.480 That was a joke. It was really a deceit because the only reason it became popular was that they exploited the 9-11 terror attack, which was perpetrated by Muslims, to try to attack Christians under the guise of attacking religion generally. 0.78

00:41:23.800 It was a slate of hand. It was a little trick, and it ran out. People realized that religions are, in fact, different, and that man is a religious creature, and the eternal questions don't just go away because Sam Harris made some dumb point on a podcast or something. 0.90

00:41:37.400 So that part, I think, was all bound to happen, but we're beginning to live in a world where young people especially want something that is sturdy, that is solid, that they can touch physically, and that is solid intellectually and spiritually.

00:41:52.100 And so when I say that this problem goes back hundreds of years, I mean, I'm going back to Descartes here, who screws up Western philosophy by saying that basically the only thing that we can know is within our own minds, that we can't ever really access the real world literally.

00:42:07.780 and the medieval tradition and the ancient tradition says no you can you actually can know

00:42:12.480 things we can know things for certain we can come to conclusions we can have have confidence in

00:42:17.960 authoritative teaching and the the catholic church contrary to most of modern religion

00:42:23.240 says there are dogmas there are doctrines we don't leave everything up to private judgment

00:42:28.220 there's a role for private judgment but there's a role for magisterial teaching too all of that

00:42:32.700 I think, has finally come back because of young people in particular having a dissatisfaction

00:42:38.160 with the failures of the alternative.

00:42:42.040 No, I think that's right. And it also explains why there's the connection more so in with the

00:42:47.740 traditional rights of the Catholic Church, because they don't want the Novus Ordo. They don't want

00:42:53.860 the modern church with the guitars or, you know, these newer churches that, you know, it's, you

00:43:01.740 You know, and we drive past a couple of those churches to go to where we go to Mass every Sunday where we attend Mass

00:43:08.260 because I don't want to go in a, you know, go to a church or take my kids to a church that looks like a YMCA that's got a cross up, right? 1.00

00:43:16.860 I want my kids to go to a church in a place that looks different, that looks like it's from a different world,

00:43:23.040 that has a direct connection to the spiritual, where you're conducting all the liturgical rituals,

00:43:28.480 where you've got the stained glass and the pillars and the artwork and incense and all of it.

00:43:34.340 And you need those things.

00:43:36.020 You absolutely need those things.

00:43:38.140 And I think that that's something that speaks to Gen Z, because when you're doing those,

00:43:42.540 not in a performative way, but in a robust, spiritual and humble, right,

00:43:49.900 incredibly humble mindset as you are approaching God.

00:43:54.980 But, you know, these distinctions like communion on the hand versus communion on the tongue, they become very important if you're actually looking at it from that perspective. 0.99

00:44:06.040 And I think it's that authenticity that the traditional right has that is actually attracting so many people from Gen Z because it's authenticity that they are searching for so much because I'm just going to say it so much of the modern world is fake and gay. 0.96

00:44:22.320 Yes, yeah. 0.88

00:44:23.100 I mean, what you're getting at is this old Latin expression,

00:44:25.780 lex arondi, lex credendi,

00:44:27.680 which is the way that we worship

00:44:29.240 is going to imply something about the way that we believe.

00:44:33.900 And so you mentioned receiving the Holy Communion on the tongue,

00:44:37.360 kneeling as is traditional,

00:44:38.800 versus the more modern way where you receive our Lord in your hands.

00:44:42.340 Both are valid.

00:44:43.360 The Vatican is okay with both.

00:44:46.020 However, I think a lot of young people are looking at it and saying,

00:44:48.260 well, hold on.

00:44:48.740 If I really believe that this is Jesus, really and truly present, body, blood, soul, and divinity in the communion host, in the Eucharist, then I don't want to touch it with my unconsecrated hands.

00:45:01.860 I want to receive in a very reverent way, kneeling before the Lord.

00:45:05.380 It's not to say that you're not allowed to do the other.

00:45:07.700 It's just that our behaviors imply something about our belief.

00:45:11.320 And so I think young people in particular living in this disenchanted world where we're told we can't believe anything and nothing's true and nothing's meaningful, and they know that that's a lie, they're going to look for the expressions of religion, the practice of religion that are full of expression.

00:45:28.780 I mean, you even mentioned, Jack, we've all had this, driving past the ugly suburban church that looks like a Dairy Queen.

00:45:34.940 And it's no knock on simplicity.

00:45:38.160 You can have a beautiful, cheap and simple chapel.

00:45:41.420 You can.

00:45:41.920 In fact, a lot of the really traditional masses are pushed to the margins on the outskirts in the bad neighborhood with the chapel that's too small.

00:45:50.220 But it's beautiful and it's adorned nonetheless.

00:45:53.380 And this isn't a prejudice that's irrational.

00:45:56.120 most people realize that there's a relation between beauty and truth and goodness these

00:46:02.480 are the transcendentals and they they have relation to one another so you know if if we

00:46:07.720 are longing for a beauty that is beyond this world if we're longing for transcendence if we're longing

00:46:12.620 for objective truth and moral goodness we're we're going to recognize that these things are all going

00:46:17.360 to have something to do with one another and people don't want to just go to the the same

00:46:22.140 sorts of places that we go every other day of the week you know if i want more of the world if i

00:46:26.860 want to be entertained by a priest who's facing me doing a stand-up routine like an actor in a

00:46:31.820 vaudeville show i don't know i'll i'll just go to some entertainment venue but if i want to be led

00:46:36.860 in the worship of the true god to have my eyes lifted up to heaven i'm going to go to a place

00:46:40.860 that looks and feels a little different from worldly things i think that's perfectly rational

00:46:46.300 and i in this regard i think the kids are all right and the older generations have something

00:46:50.540 to learn from them no i think it's exactly right and you know it's it's like what they say you know

00:46:55.880 and you and you find by the way and you find the younger priest i wish i wish you had more time to

00:46:59.240 talk about this we'll have to do it the next time you find these younger priests and they're like

00:47:02.460 so on fire so conservative i mean it's like boomer priests uh they're on their way out and

00:47:08.660 these younger ones coming up like they're just great michael knowles where can people go to

00:47:11.880 follow you they can go to michaeljknowles.com or to any of the various social media platforms

00:47:18.060 twitter instagram myspace zanga live journal i don't know whatever other ones there are

00:47:24.460 you still have a zynga does that exist is that allowed is that legal oh my gosh actually i

00:47:29.820 actually found all of geo cities in a zip file one somewhere i'll have to tell you about it later

00:47:33.980 ladies and gentlemen as always you have our elder millennial permission to lay ashore

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