Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Tyler Robinson Lawyers Motion to Ban Cameras From the Charlie Kirk Murder Case

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00:00:39.540 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

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00:02:08.640 The FBI making an arrest in a chilling murder-for-hire plot targeting Attorney General Pam Bondi.

00:02:16.880 The man accused of assassinating conservative political activist Charlie Kirk was back in court today.

00:02:22.680 22-year-old Tyler Robinson appeared virtually in Utah, but he did not show his face.

00:02:28.720 Today, that judge granted a motion to appear in street clothes moving forward, but denied his request to appear without restraints.

00:02:36.960 The judge said that there were some safety concerns, and also the charges against him are very, very serious.

00:02:48.140 All right, Jack Vazovic, here we are live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

00:02:53.860 We are here today as October 28, 2025, Anno Domini.

00:02:58.340 Well, folks, as you know, we've been covering the murder of Charlie Kirk since literally the very moment that it happened here on Human Events Daily.

00:03:09.540 I was live the day that Charlie was shot.

00:03:13.040 Go back and watch the episode.

00:03:14.280 I haven't gone back and watched that episode.

00:03:15.940 I don't know that I will or any of the episodes that we did, you know, in those days.

00:03:21.560 But we've done it.

00:03:23.240 We've been we've done it.

00:03:24.480 We've been doing it every day.

00:03:25.780 We are here.

00:03:27.260 And in this case, we have an update.

00:03:31.700 We have an update on the Tyler Robinson trial.

00:03:34.280 Now, this comes from the lawyers here at the courtroom in Tyler Robinson's case that are working for him.

00:03:46.220 And that's fine.

00:03:47.040 He's got his lawyers.

00:03:47.960 He'll have his day in court.

00:03:49.420 But here's something that's not fine.

00:03:52.220 And I understand that they are advocating for their client.

00:03:56.560 But this goes beyond that.

00:04:00.600 In the Fourth Judicial District Court of Provo for the county of Utah, state of Utah,

00:04:06.620 the defendants reply to sheriff's response to motion to appear at all in-person proceedings in civilian clothing without restraints and random in support.

00:04:14.380 OK, so so this these are the lawyers, Catherine Nestor, Richard Novak, Michael Burt and Stacey Visser.

00:04:20.840 They came in. 0.60

00:04:22.040 And, you know, if you read the headline that said, OK, it's just you know, he just doesn't want to be in.

00:04:26.740 He wants to be in person, doesn't want to be in the prison.

00:04:28.680 So he wants to travel over there for the in-person proceedings pre-trial.

00:04:31.840 And he wants to be in civilian clothing.

00:04:33.980 OK, he wants to be in civilian clothing.

00:04:35.400 All right.

00:04:35.720 But then when you scroll way, way, way down in the filing.

00:04:41.380 What do we find?

00:04:42.980 They want.

00:04:45.140 Cameras taken out of the courtroom.

00:04:47.760 They want cameras out of the courtroom.

00:04:50.760 In a Charlie Kirk murder case.

00:04:52.840 They don't want any what they call electronic media coverage.

00:04:59.480 Electronic media coverage.

00:05:01.480 Listen to this.

00:05:02.320 Listen to this.

00:05:04.000 The court should limit media coverage or video and photographic coverage at the least.

00:05:09.660 So defendants physical appearance is no longer the subject of interest.

00:05:13.160 And he has some chance of securing a fair and impartial jury.

00:05:15.840 So they're trying to say they're now trying to say that showing the defendant is prejudicial to just showing him, just showing him as a defendant.

00:05:27.940 So what they're doing here is they're trying to play games with the case, play games with all of this and get to the point where and now listen to this.

00:05:37.060 They want television cameras to not be allowed in the courtroom of the criminal case or where television news crews are, quote unquote, turned loose on those eager to obtain fame or fortune concerning a pending trip.

00:05:52.220 Guys, no.

00:05:54.500 This is absolutely incorrect.

00:05:57.060 This is the wrong way to do this.

00:05:59.560 I understand what they're saying.

00:06:01.340 And I'm going to be fair here.

00:06:02.820 I'm going to be absolutely fair as someone who, look, Charlie is a friend of mine, very good friend of mine.

00:06:10.360 I would not be able to be on the jury in this case, right, because I am directly impacted by the crime at question here.

00:06:19.760 So I would not be allowed to be on the jury.

00:06:21.720 The same reason that family members are not allowed to be on juries.

00:06:25.420 But that being said, I do want there to be a fair trial.

00:06:28.320 I really do.

00:06:28.920 And the fair trial does not change because you see a picture of Tyler Robinson.

00:06:34.780 It changes when you get the evidence, all the evidence and all of it in public.

00:06:40.880 Now, by the way, not just for the fairness of the trial, but for the good of the country, for the public interest.

00:06:47.380 And so I announced earlier today, and I'll say here as well, Human Events is currently preparing an open letter that we will be filing with the court in Utah, calling for an opposition to this ban and the allowance of full live streaming and full camera access for the entire proceedings of the trial.

00:07:06.120 We'll get into that and more later on with Will Chamberlain.

00:07:09.320 We've got Mike Benz up next.

00:07:11.920 Ladies and gentlemen, the public has a right to know.

00:07:15.200 We'll be right back.

00:07:15.880 Jack Vosobiec, Human Events Daily.

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00:09:08.040 Now, we've been talking about the rise of political violence, particularly from the left, and we've also been talking about left-wing networked violence.

00:09:18.380 We participated in a White House panel discussion, a roundtable on that, but there was one man who I believe, there's a lot of people who could have been there and should have been there, et cetera, but there's one man that I definitely wanted in that room, and though he wasn't there that day,

00:09:33.280 I wanted to kind of pick his brain on this because he's an absolute expert on the networks, on the money, on connecting the dots, and his name is Mike Benz.

00:09:44.240 He joins us now.

00:09:44.940 What's up, Mike?

00:09:46.280 How you doing, Jack?

00:09:47.020 Great to see you.

00:09:48.580 So, Benz, we spent a lot of time while we were in there talking about, you know, for my part, I talked about how the violence is getting worse, how we see these tactics moving now more towards assassinations as opposed to the traditional black bloc protests

00:10:01.840 or the violence against, you know, a random Starbucks or random cars, that type of thing.

00:10:06.340 We're now seeing more and more targeted violence, including asymmetric threats such as assassinations.

00:10:12.640 I even went on CNN and walked them through this.

00:10:15.420 I'm not sure if they understood, but I tried to do what I could to explain it to CNN.

00:10:20.400 But, Benz, when we hear the response from these types, they say, well, Antifa is decentralized.

00:10:26.520 There's no network there.

00:10:27.700 That's just a group of people organically fighting fascism.

00:10:30.920 Is that true?

00:10:33.560 Not even in the slightest.

00:10:35.360 Go to any one of these Antifa websites, although they're getting rarer and rarer as so many of them are starting to shut down right now to try to hide their own secrets.

00:10:44.020 But they all have .org as their websites.

00:10:48.780 The Portland Antifa site is a .org.

00:10:52.620 The Torch Antifa site is a .org.

00:10:55.280 The Seattle cell is a .org.

00:10:59.440 Jack, what is org short for?

00:11:04.400 Well, that's short for organization or specifically nonprofit organization.

00:11:09.640 Yes, these are organized organizations.

00:11:13.860 This is not some ethereal, you know, metaphysical idea.

00:11:18.280 They are organized organizations.

00:11:20.580 And they operate through a cluster cell network, which is the part and parcel of how we do influence operations abroad.

00:11:30.340 And this kind of gets to the broader Antifa story.

00:11:34.740 Antifa is an international network.

00:11:37.160 And one way to understand it and to try to depoliticize it a little bit for a second here, there were very radical right-wing decentralized cluster cells of networks for political influence operations and brass knuckles, breaking up meetings, acts of domestic terrorism that were conducted in the 20th century under what's known today as Operation Gladio.

00:12:02.380 This was a NATO network of stay-behind groups, paramilitary street militias in Italy, in Central and Eastern Europe.

00:12:12.580 There were dozens of these cluster cells that were organized in a decentralized fashion where it brought together basically captains of industry, government regulators, international aid organizations, and then violent political, at the time, right-wing anti-communist forces that were secretly working with the Central Intelligence Agency and NATO's political affairs units

00:12:40.440 in order to nudge domestic politics in order to nudge domestic politics country by country in the emerging soup of the Democrat turbulence post-World War II from the 1940s to the early 1990s.

00:12:51.820 And this was done because we were fighting a cold war against international communism and these stay-behind networks, which were licensed to do dirty work and were on the ground in the streets, were essentially sanctioned by U.S. and NATO intelligence to do a department of dirty tricks of violent activities often in order to stop the emergence of left-wing communism.

00:13:19.220 I believe the best way to understand Antifa and its various connective tissues at the foundation level, at the nonprofit level, and at the U.S. government level is as a left-wing counter-populist faction organized with a very similar structure and for a very similar purpose that the right-wing anti-communist cluster cells were set up internationally during the Cold War.

00:13:44.560 The difference is the American people have not known until just the past few years that this type of structure even existed or that we were even in a kind of second Cold War against international Trumpism in the way that there was an initial Cold War against international communism.

00:14:03.300 And so you've got these leave-behind networks, you've got them bounced out, and by the way, and you and I have talked about this, that's exactly what I told the president when I was in the room.

00:14:15.040 I pointed out that all of this goes back to World War II.

00:14:18.420 It even predates World War II.

00:14:20.100 If you look at the way that Antifa was used as the international arm of the Bolsheviks to destabilize countries like revolutionary Spain and like the Weimar Republic,

00:14:30.120 and certainly we all saw what the destabilization of the Weimar Republic turned into if you go back to the 1920s, 1930s.

00:14:36.180 But it was always meant to be the international arm of the revolution, funded by the Russian people, funded by looting the Russian treasury.

00:14:46.140 And so you fast forward that to the Cold War era, and they were using it for the exact same thing.

00:14:51.880 So when President Trump brought up that question, should they be designated a foreign terrorist organization, you'll notice that I was the first one.

00:14:59.280 I said, yes, Mr. President, absolutely.

00:15:01.180 They have networks all across Western Europe, and in fact, people are looking at it a little bit backwards if they think that Antifa started here.

00:15:08.120 No, no, no.

00:15:08.800 Antifa started in Western and Eastern Europe and then came to the United States, not the other way around.

00:15:15.500 That's why these leave-behind networks are so important, and that's the way they were set up in the very first instance.

00:15:22.040 It's exactly right, and it's a seamless interchange.

00:15:24.440 As you've covered, Mark Bray is the Antifa professor at, I believe, Rutgers, and then as soon as he feels he's running into legal trouble, tries to flee to Spain to join up with cluster networks there.

00:15:38.800 And there is this kind of – I think Michael Lodenthal, another Antifa professor and organizer, described in one of his books, he called it networked clandestiny, this kind of secrecy and this cluster cell organization they refer to as a network of networks.

00:16:00.200 This is the exact same language, by the way, that NATO used during the Integrity Initiative, where they targeted right-wing nationalist forces in Spain.

00:16:11.360 Pedro Baños, famously, his nomination to be the security director, the military head in Spain, was nuked by a clandestine operation by NATO called the Integrity Initiative, of which, according to the documents, both Ann Applebaum and Nina Jankovic were a part of.

00:16:29.960 They were part of the U.K. inner cluster cell of this NATO-funded secret influence network.

00:16:37.260 And if you look country by country in Europe and around the world, it is impossible to disentangle the goals of Antifa and the goals of the Joe Biden, Barack Obama, CIA, State Department, and USAID.

00:16:52.260 Look at, for example, what Antifa does in Germany, targeting the AFD party, the right-wing populist party there.

00:17:02.440 Look at what they do in Spain, targeting the Vox party.

00:17:05.320 Look at what they do in France, targeting Marine Le Pen.

00:17:08.480 Look at what they do in Brazil, targeting Bolsonaro.

00:17:11.940 Look at what they do in Belarus, targeting Lukashenko.

00:17:14.800 It is impossible to see a lick of daylight between the foreign policy goals of the Central Intelligence Agency, under Joe Biden and Barack Obama, and the on-the-ground domestic political actions of Antifa as a kind of street muscle.

00:17:31.300 It's all the way down to the commercial investments of the political donors to the DNC.

00:17:38.020 As George Soros and Bill Gates and Tom Steyer and Al Gore and all of these billionaires with multibillion-dollar assets under investment management funds are promoting things like climate change and shifting profits within the energy, the global energy market, to portfolio companies that require government mandates to wean off of fossil fuels and into renewables or ethanol-based fuels.

00:18:04.700 George Soros and Al Gore and Tom Steyer and this entire DNC investor class are pre-invested in those markets, while Antifa serves as an eco-fascist battering ramp to promote those stocks.

00:18:17.580 The same thing in the public health space.

00:18:19.700 Look at how Antifa brings up anti-vaccine protests.

00:18:24.460 They're the paramilitary arm of Pfizer.

00:18:28.180 Exactly.

00:18:29.020 And they don't even realize it half the time because they aren't in that part of the cluster.

00:18:33.880 We're coming up on a quick break, but I just want to point out that not only did Mark Bray head over to Spain, seamlessly integrate with Spanish anarchists, which is exactly what we saw during the Spanish Civil War, he's publicly identified himself as part of the Black Rose Anarchist Federation.

00:18:51.300 He stated this, and he stated that he participated in the Hamburg attack on the G20, where they were burning cars, and he specifically talked about how he was targeting luxury vehicles to make sure they didn't burn any working-class cars, only wanted to target those of the wealthy.

00:19:08.340 Again, this is a guy who's now taking Dr. Antifa, who's taking a taxpayer-funded vacation to Spain.

00:19:14.980 We'll be right back.

00:19:15.560 Jack Posobiec, Mike Benz, Human Events.

00:19:21.840 You talk about influences.

00:19:23.660 These are influences, and they're friends of mine.

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00:19:29.420 Where's Jack?

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00:19:36.460 Jack Posobiec, we're back here, live, Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.

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00:21:02.960 Mike Benz, we're on live.

00:21:04.620 We're talking about these networks, international networks of Antifa.

00:21:07.980 They've got journalists.

00:21:08.920 They've got reporters.

00:21:09.760 They've got professors.

00:21:10.660 They've got direct action militants and agitators.

00:21:14.700 The question is, what should the federal government be doing and where should they be looking in terms to break up these networks, to disrupt these operations,

00:21:24.180 and ultimately to stop these activities from destroying our society like the cancer that it is?

00:21:32.680 I consider Antifa and U.S. government adjacencies to it to be part of the weaponization toolkit that the Biden administration used that spanned lawfare, FBI targeting and the like.

00:21:47.780 I consider paramilitary street violence and the condoning of it or the tactical tacit blessings for it to be a part of that weaponization toolkit.

00:21:58.380 And Tulsi Gabbard at ODNI just stood up an interagency working group on weaponization of intelligence and foreign affairs type functions.

00:22:08.600 This spans ODNI, CIA, State Department, USAID, FBI, DHS, and other equities.

00:22:15.740 I believe that, for example, search terms can be inputted into internal searches at USAID, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency.

00:22:25.920 And you can start right there and simply put in terms like Antifa or anti-fascist or authoritarian in these type terms and start with a basic review of all files around, for example, energy policy in Germany.

00:22:42.360 The Biden administration blew up the Nord Stream pipelines.

00:22:45.940 The Antifa groups in Germany were champing at the bit for that and have been used as a battering ram against the AFD party there.

00:22:52.620 We were giving tens of millions of dollars in aid to various organizations within Germany.

00:23:00.420 You can start right there and simply look for all Antifa adjacencies blessed by the foreign policy establishment or used or even had peripheral awareness by CIA, State Department, USAID, with Antifa networks that were going against those agencies' political enemies.

00:23:18.200 I think it is impossible that there are no linkages there.

00:23:21.700 You start with that and you make it sunlight, the best disinfectant.

00:23:26.560 These networks rely on secrecy.

00:23:29.400 Now, what you'll hear from the national security state is, oh, you can't disclose the involvement of the U.S. government and Antifa in Germany

00:23:37.920 because then no other dissident group will want to work with the United States knowing that their cover will be blown

00:23:44.060 because the U.S. government betrayed these Antifa groups by disclosing internal memos and conversations with various leaders on the ground.

00:23:55.100 I say that is complete BS.

00:23:57.100 If you use this as a sword abroad, for example, if you use Antifa networks to go after the AFD party in Germany or Marine Le Pen's movement in France,

00:24:06.840 you can't use that secrecy as a shield at home because Antifa operates here at home.

00:24:12.440 So I think it starts with taking the lid off of the den of vipers, the cage that they've been with classification and simply exposing the snakes inside to sunlight.

00:24:27.420 Given how the layers of secrecy and OPSEC that Antifa moves through, that itself will have a tremendous on-the-ground impact in those countries themselves,

00:24:37.300 potentially violating FARA-type laws if these were not disclosed in accordance with each country's process.

00:24:45.460 For example, we know that Syria units were, according to Rolling Stone, the closest allies on the ground of the U.S. military in Syria

00:24:53.460 as we were backing the ISIS and al-Qaeda forces against Bashar al-Assad.

00:24:59.280 We know because the military was working directly with these Antifa units,

00:25:03.820 we know that there is connective tissue between the U.S. military, the Central Intelligence Agency, and Antifa in Syria.

00:25:10.080 Does anyone doubt those linkages in Germany or France or in other European and Latin American countries?

00:25:17.460 And Mike, by the way, those linkages that you're talking about, the foreign fighter flows that we saw traveling to YPG and other affiliates,

00:25:25.580 it wasn't just American Antifa that were coming.

00:25:28.180 They were sourcing them from Germany. They were sourcing them from Greece.

00:25:31.120 They were using that area of northeastern Syria as a training ground for Antifa to receive battlefield experience.

00:25:38.880 And in fact, I know of at least one individual who received that battlefield training and then traveled back in 2019,

00:25:45.580 then traveled back to the United States to participate in what?

00:25:48.720 The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, where he was manning the armed barricades in Chaz in Seattle just a year later.

00:25:55.540 That's right. They go straight from targeting the CIA's enemies abroad to the CIA's political enemies here at home.

00:26:02.080 That's how this international network works. And the capacity building for it moves through foundations.

00:26:06.940 And this is really the layer that I think would break this whole thing open.

00:26:10.120 You take a place like the Tide Center, the Tide Center, which gives the 501c3 to the Black Lives Matter Global Action Group

00:26:18.760 and to many of these Antifa funding pass throughs.

00:26:22.420 The Tide Center, as I've documented, has gotten about twenty seven million dollars in U.S.

00:26:27.760 State Department and USAID grants for some very peculiar things,

00:26:31.300 including the Tide Center getting a two point five million dollar grant to, quote,

00:26:36.060 secure concrete commitments from foreign governments on behalf of the U.S.

00:26:40.220 State Department. And this is the group that is giving the 501c3 to a nonprofit status,

00:26:47.560 the fiscal sponsor to these Antifa groups and these BLM Street Muscle groups in 2020.

00:26:53.620 Tony, how is this foundation serving as the shadow diplomat formally for the U.S.

00:27:00.260 government internationally and getting funded?

00:27:02.500 They need to be fully investigated. Mike Benz, Mike Benz, we're up against the hard-out.

00:27:09.500 Declassify all of it. Benz, we'll get you in.

00:27:12.340 We will do the work of digging all the way down on this like any.

00:27:16.960 Please go follow Mike Benz, Mike Benz Cyber across all platforms.

00:27:20.980 We'll be right back. Jack. Where's Jack?

00:27:26.060 Where is he? Jack, I want to see you.

00:27:30.980 Great job, Jack. Thank you. What a job you do.

00:27:34.560 You know, we have an incredible thing.

00:27:35.740 We're always talking about the fake news and the bad, but we have guys.

00:27:39.820 And these are the guys who should be getting Pulisic.

00:27:45.640 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back here.

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00:28:55.860 Folks, I said we were going to have it during the show, and we do have it.

00:29:01.660 This letter that is now in draft form is about to be published,

00:29:07.220 but we've got a copy of it that I want to show here right for you, humanevents.com.

00:29:12.160 So Human Events Media Group, that's the official name of our company,

00:29:15.880 is going to be publishing this open letter to the Honorable Tony F. Graff, Jr.

00:29:22.080 of the Fourth District Court of Utah County, State of Utah.

00:29:25.860 And it states,

00:29:27.140 Human Events Media Group, a national news organization committed to transparent

00:29:31.120 and accountable reporting, respectfully urges this court to deny any motion

00:29:35.780 to prohibit video, photographic, or livestream coverage of pretrial and trial proceedings

00:29:40.380 in the Capitol prosecution of Tyler James Robinson

00:29:43.640 for the murder of conservative activist and leader Charlie Kirk.

00:29:47.440 Such a ban would violate U.S. law, U.S. Supreme Court precedent,

00:29:50.300 First Amendment protections, and the public's fundamental right of access to judicial proceedings.

00:29:55.620 And now we've got all the citations there, but I wanted to dig in on two specific points

00:30:00.760 before we bring our guest in here.

00:30:02.980 And this is Utah Code of Judicial Administration Rule 4-401.01.

00:30:10.400 And here's what's really interesting.

00:30:13.120 It states that in Utah, there is a presumption that electronic media coverage by a news reporter

00:30:18.860 shall be permitted in public proceedings where the predominant purpose of the electronic media

00:30:24.040 coverage request is journalism or dissemination of news to the public, the law states.

00:30:29.180 A court may decline to permit cameras if the court determines, quote,

00:30:32.200 there is a reasonable likelihood that media coverage will prejudice the right of the parties

00:30:37.260 to a fair proceeding.

00:30:38.180 So here's the idea, that the presumption is already there under Utah law.

00:30:45.160 Now, this is very expensive compared to other states that don't necessarily have this.

00:30:50.520 And so restricting camera access, restricting live streaming, obviously would be a huge problem.

00:30:57.080 And pretrial publicity alone does not justify camera bans.

00:31:00.500 We covered that in this.

00:31:01.700 We're going to publish this all at humanevents.com.

00:31:03.700 And here's a piece that I wanted to put in.

00:31:06.260 In section four, we wrote, banning cameras would amplify misinformation, not reduce it.

00:31:13.020 In the absence of official courtroom footage, speculative secondary content on YouTube or

00:31:18.240 AI-generated reenactments, partisan edits would fill the void.

00:31:22.440 This would stand to increase, not decrease, prejudicial distortion.

00:31:26.780 Live, unedited coverage is the most reliable antidote to misinformation, allowing the public

00:31:32.740 to see proceedings as they occur, not as filtered through third-party narratives.

00:31:38.260 And so this is all going to go up at humanevents.com.

00:31:40.900 We're going to be delivering this to the court very soon.

00:31:43.840 It's really simple.

00:31:44.580 Look, I want everyone to have all of the evidence available.

00:31:48.600 I want everyone to ask for evidence.

00:31:50.080 I want people to be skeptical.

00:31:51.320 I want people to ask questions and push for it.

00:31:53.340 But what I don't want are bans on cameras and bans on evidence that could be coming out.

00:31:59.280 Joining with me to discuss this and other legal matters, Will Chamberlain of the Article 3

00:32:05.400 Project.

00:32:05.900 Will, what's going on, man?

00:32:07.380 Good to be with you, Jack, as always.

00:32:09.560 So Will, I called you this morning with this crazy idea that we were going to throw together

00:32:14.080 this letter, and we've put it together.

00:32:18.040 You know, what do you think about this question?

00:32:20.960 Right?

00:32:21.280 And I kind of get where the judge is coming from, or I should say not the judge, but the

00:32:26.360 attorneys are coming from, so they're trying to, their argument is, well, if we allow all

00:32:30.360 this public consumption, he's not going to be able to have a fair trial, because this

00:32:34.460 is going to prejudice the jury pool and perhaps create undue interest in the case, and therefore,

00:32:41.380 you know, and therefore, you know, that's why we should ban cameras.

00:32:44.320 And you also, of course, hear this in federal court as well.

00:32:47.740 What's a good response to that?

00:32:48.920 Well, I think there's a fundamental presumption that these courts are, these proceedings are

00:32:55.060 open to the public, right?

00:32:56.060 Courthouses are open.

00:32:57.080 They can be reported on.

00:32:58.320 Court, you know, people show up and report on them all the time.

00:33:01.840 And there's a reason for that.

00:33:03.800 Justice is supposed to be done in public so that we're confident that the system is

00:33:07.340 transparent and operating as according to law.

00:33:10.200 That's, I think, necessary here.

00:33:11.900 There's an enormous public interest in this trial for obvious reasons.

00:33:14.880 And therefore, there's also an enormous public interest in ensuring that the trial is conducted

00:33:20.160 transparently and scrupulously in accordance with law.

00:33:22.720 So I think that that's part of the reason why these proceedings should be public.

00:33:27.180 And the public has right to be interested in this.

00:33:29.280 This was the most high-profile assassination of an American in a very, very long time, probably

00:33:33.920 since Kennedy, actually, in terms of a successful assassination.

00:33:37.240 So it's something we should have the right to see.

00:33:41.300 Yeah, and it's really as simple as that to me.

00:33:44.140 And look, these are always done in public.

00:33:47.320 And that's part of our tradition in terms of the public court system.

00:33:53.180 It is public justice.

00:33:54.780 Yes, it is meant to be done in public.

00:33:56.880 And by the way, for folks who don't know, if you ever—and I've covered a number of

00:34:00.080 trials, D.C. area, I've covered trials in Virginia, you can just go.

00:34:04.580 You can literally just go.

00:34:05.960 And there are members of the public who just show up.

00:34:08.440 And this is part of the point.

00:34:10.380 And obviously there's, you know, space restrictions and physical limitations.

00:34:14.720 But there will be overflow rooms if there are cases.

00:34:17.540 There are media rooms if you're credentialed media, etc.

00:34:19.820 All of this is done from the point of saying that if this person is to face whatever judgment

00:34:26.160 they receive—and in this case, we are talking about the highest possible judgment in the

00:34:32.740 entire world—that, yes, actually, it should be done in public or else it's going to.

00:34:38.460 And, Will, I wanted to ask your question or get your sense on the other part is if you

00:34:42.680 turn those cameras off in today's society, which is driven with or riven with, you know,

00:34:49.620 AI recreations and all sorts of just anything that anyone can do, I really think it's going

00:34:57.060 to create a much worse environment for the trial.

00:34:59.240 Yeah, so I think a good comparison would be, you know, what went on in the Chauvin trial

00:35:04.580 and the Rittenhouse trials where you had public live streaming and everybody was able to watch

00:35:10.120 and critique it.

00:35:11.100 In general, I think the judges in both of those cases did really well.

00:35:14.800 If you actually look back and think, you know, I don't necessarily approve—you know,

00:35:18.120 I don't like the outcome of the Chauvin case.

00:35:19.560 I think Chauvin was innocent.

00:35:20.500 But I don't think the judge did anything obviously wrong in terms of the way he was handling evidence,

00:35:24.720 at least nothing that comes to mind.

00:35:25.900 And I certainly think the judge in the Rittenhouse case did a great job.

00:35:28.080 So compare that to how the judges conducted themselves in the state court trials of President

00:35:33.900 Trump, both in the civil matter involving his organization that Laetitia James brought

00:35:37.980 and in the criminal trial for the false statements.

00:35:40.900 I think that those judges, both of them, were wildly out of pocket.

00:35:44.720 And I think part of the reason they were able to behave so out of pocket is because they didn't

00:35:48.640 allow the proceedings to be live streamed and their decisions to be critiqued so aggressively.

00:35:53.020 And another one, by the way, recently, to take politics out of it, in a sense, is the

00:35:59.900 Brian Koberger trial, which took place up in Idaho, the murder of those four sorority

00:36:05.620 girls.

00:36:06.280 This was a case that generated enormous public interest.

00:36:09.140 There was a huge amount of publicity surrounding it.

00:36:12.240 And yet there were no—there was no problem whatsoever with people being able to have access

00:36:16.560 to that case.

00:36:17.320 And it didn't affect the outcome of the case one way or the other.

00:36:20.820 Yeah.

00:36:21.660 I mean, I think that, you know, what's the big fear?

00:36:23.640 What are you trying to protect with any sort of limitation on publicity or limitation on

00:36:28.520 the ability of people to describe what's happening in the courtroom?

00:36:30.980 Well, you're trying to protect the integrity of the jury.

00:36:32.580 Um, and you're trying to protect the extent to which the jury is considering evidence that's

00:36:37.360 not been admitted into the record.

00:36:39.700 But whether or not you live stream trials, it really doesn't have that much of an effect

00:36:43.900 on that.

00:36:44.500 Either the jury is going to pay attention to your instructions not to consume outside

00:36:47.420 media about the case or they're not.

00:36:49.200 And if they do consume outside media about the case, they're going to get at least some

00:36:52.860 sort of bastardized version of the internal reporting.

00:36:55.440 I mean, if they might as well get exactly what they—you know, rather than speculating or getting

00:36:59.380 secondhand information, it doesn't really improve the situation if they're getting—or

00:37:03.200 make it worse if they're getting the first-hand information.

00:37:05.240 So the real question is, can you prevent jurors from consuming outside media about the trial

00:37:12.180 as it's ongoing so that they're only considering the evidence that's been admitted?

00:37:16.160 That problem just isn't implicated by live streaming.

00:37:20.460 Yeah, and there's a really—I believe this is from Richmond Newspapers v. Virginia in 1980.

00:37:26.740 People in an open society do not demand infallibility from their institutions, but it is difficult

00:37:32.120 for them to accept what they are prohibited from observing.

00:37:36.280 So, you know, it's, you know, the explicit guaranteed right to speak and to publish concerning

00:37:40.280 what takes place at a trial would lose much meaning if access to observe the trial could

00:37:45.320 be foreclosed arbitrarily.

00:37:47.780 You know, and they're just really, you know, taking that idea of a public trial and broadening

00:37:54.580 it out to—and again, this would be the television age or new media—but again, the principle

00:37:59.740 is something that has been around for hundreds of years, if not thousands of years, going

00:38:04.900 back to even ancient Rome itself, a public trial to be held in public.

00:38:11.600 Be right back.

00:38:12.060 Jack Posobiec, Will Chamberlain, Human Events Daily.

00:38:13.700 Jack is a great guy.

00:38:22.760 He's written a fantastic book.

00:38:24.520 Everybody's talking about it.

00:38:25.660 Go get it.

00:38:26.780 And he's been my friend right from the beginning of this whole beautiful event.

00:38:30.760 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to you.

00:38:33.980 Amen.

00:38:34.300 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are on now with Will Chamberlain, an Article 3 project where

00:38:42.240 he works with Mike Davis.

00:38:43.220 And we're going through this open letter that Human Events Media Group has issued in the case

00:38:50.920 of Tyler Robinson and the state of Utah.

00:38:55.580 This is the murder trial of Charlie Kirk.

00:38:59.080 And it's a question—it's a very simple question.

00:39:01.820 And by the way, I would have the same standard for pretty much any trial, regardless of whether

00:39:07.420 or not it's one that, you know, that I was involved in, in the sense that I, you know,

00:39:13.720 was friends with the victim, that I believe the public has a right to know.

00:39:17.160 And I believe that the public should know in these cases, whether it was Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:39:22.020 By the way, and we're on with Will Chamberlain and we're talking about this, Will, in fact,

00:39:26.340 Kyle Rittenhouse is someone who reached out to me directly and said, you know, how can I

00:39:30.480 help? How can I be of assistance?

00:39:32.820 He showed up—just funny aside, because you brought him up—he shows up at the Charlie

00:39:39.480 Kirk Memorial and sends me a message, hey, Jack, I'm here outside.

00:39:43.940 He had never mentioned that he was coming.

00:39:45.800 I said, man, I could have got you like a special guest pass or something.

00:39:49.260 He just showed up.

00:39:50.160 He literally just drove there from Texas and was like, yep, I'm just here.

00:39:55.660 And, you know, everybody was, you know, because, you know, everybody was there to, you know,

00:40:01.120 thank him for coming.

00:40:02.160 And, you know, people remember that I think it was just a couple of weeks after his acquittal

00:40:07.340 that he appeared on stage with me and Charlie at the Turning Point—I believe that was the

00:40:14.580 first AmericaFest, the first AmFest, and the media lost their minds because we gave him

00:40:19.320 that sort of WWE intro with the cold sparks and everyone cheering.

00:40:23.800 And I remember going to Charlie with that idea and Charlie saying, oh, yeah, absolutely.

00:40:29.740 And I actually told Kyle—so the week before—the weekend before the jury came back.

00:40:37.840 So the jury went out for one weekend, and they were deliberating, and then they had a

00:40:42.400 weekend, and then they came back with a ruling on a Monday.

00:40:45.220 And I think they still deliberated for a few days during the week.

00:40:47.480 But even the weekend they were out, I actually talked to Kyle on the phone.

00:40:50.660 This is before the ruling was in.

00:40:53.720 And I said, Kyle, a month from now, you're going to be with me and Charlie Kirk at AmFest.

00:40:59.180 And sure enough, we were.

00:41:00.960 Sure enough, we were.

00:41:02.140 He told me he was sitting around a fire somewhere outside of Kenosha.

00:41:07.060 That's awesome to hear.

00:41:08.420 And I think that's a trial.

00:41:10.880 And it was just cool that he showed up, right?

00:41:13.080 And you see the connection between, you know, Charlie really being the first person to say,

00:41:16.940 no, like, we are going to absolutely support Kyle Rittenhouse, and we're going to support him,

00:41:22.880 you know, and absolutely.

00:41:24.780 Obviously, there's an obvious case of self-defense.

00:41:26.680 And so it was great to see that, you know, that Kyle, and obviously so many other people,

00:41:31.140 I just, that was just one story out of the millions that, you know, that are out there

00:41:34.540 that I don't even know if I've told that publicly yet.

00:41:36.860 But hey, Kyle, I told everyone.

00:41:38.340 So there you go.

00:41:39.020 Charlie touched a lot of people, you know, and he was such a, you know, I haven't really

00:41:43.660 had the great opportunity to talk about him personally.

00:41:46.420 I mean, certainly, I knew Charlie.

00:41:48.060 He was, you know, very helpful to me.

00:41:51.040 And, you know, I think he was involved very much in both getting human events together

00:41:54.900 and when I was running it and getting you on board as well.

00:41:57.680 So I think, you know, Charlie's, his loss is just enormous.

00:42:02.000 It's still very, you know, it's every day I think about it.

00:42:04.080 And, you know, it's really, really difficult to still have, not have Charlie around.

00:42:08.580 And, and in fact, by the way, that I remember there was a time where, you know, speaking

00:42:16.800 of which, we held that, what was that like round table, you know, the discussion that

00:42:22.100 we did the one time.

00:42:23.040 And I don't remember if you were even in this or not, because it was like me, Charlie

00:42:27.260 Kirk, Andy Ngo, Libby Emmons, and you may have not been in this round table, but Charlie

00:42:33.380 spent like an entire day just sitting with us talking about, this is my vision.

00:42:38.580 For human events.

00:42:39.660 This is how it can work.

00:42:41.240 This is how I want human events daily to run.

00:42:43.360 And in fact, human events daily began life as a, as a turning point USA show.

00:42:49.600 And then we, you know, we took it independent, but, you know, obviously still work very closely

00:42:54.280 with Charlie in order to be able to, you know, kind of, kind of move on from the, the C3

00:42:59.360 restrictions on political speech.

00:43:01.920 And it's, it's, it's all, it's all because of Charlie, right?

00:43:05.120 You know, he would not have had any of that without him, the linkages that he was

00:43:08.180 able to do the, the bridge building that he was constantly doing behind the scenes in

00:43:13.080 the movement saying, you know, this, this thing should exist, let's make it happen.

00:43:16.700 And then he'd sort of like, you know, without any credit, without his name on it or anything.

00:43:20.380 And he would just, he would just put people together and then things would happen.

00:43:24.280 And I think that, you know, I think that we, you know, we, we kind of sit back and we talk

00:43:30.360 about it, but we really did lose a big figure in terms of that.

00:43:34.600 And it's, it's something very clear that the left will continue to do this.

00:43:40.120 They'll, they'll continue to target people if we do not stop them from doing so.

00:43:45.560 And that's why just from a personal perspective, that regardless of just knowing Charlie, that's

00:43:51.660 why the Tyler Robinson case is so important and getting it right is so important.

00:43:56.020 We absolutely have to see justice done here and we have to see it done publicly.

00:44:00.300 I think it will be useful to put to bed some, some of the more ridiculous theories about

00:44:04.520 what's happened here.

00:44:05.880 And what frustrates me so much about those theories is because they're distracting from

00:44:09.740 the obvious and core truth that is so important for every conservative to internalize.

00:44:15.880 A leftist assassinated Charlie Kirk and a slew of other leftists celebrated it.

00:44:20.360 And we just need to remember that we need to get it.

00:44:22.860 I mean, that's, that's so important for us to remember because it reminds of what the

00:44:26.660 stakes of this actually are, what the stakes of our politics actually are.

00:44:30.440 And, you know, I, it's hard to forget that.

00:44:33.460 I think it's changed.

00:44:34.540 It's certainly changed the way I'm really tolerating sort of what I might've called, you

00:44:40.080 know, antagonists on the left who I might've otherwise tolerated and engaged with, but I

00:44:44.180 look at some of their views or how they've responded to this.

00:44:46.060 I'm like, no, I'm not, I'm not even engaging with you anymore.

00:44:47.940 You're obviously just an adversary and we need to defeat you.

00:44:50.760 That's it.

00:44:51.400 There's no, you know, I don't see any good faith coming from you.

00:44:54.200 You, you had nothing to say about the assassination of my friend.

00:44:57.040 So that's it.

00:44:59.380 Yeah.

00:44:59.540 And then you hear, you see a guy like Momdami who gets up there and I'm just going to keep 0.98

00:45:03.520 saying it.

00:45:04.180 The Momdami campaign to me sounds like Radio Rwanda for white people. 0.80

00:45:08.360 I mean, he just says it over and over that this is black and brown people rising up to

00:45:14.200 defeat white supremacy.

00:45:16.660 And this is something that Charlie was warning about in his last days and his last weeks was

00:45:22.120 that, you know, there is this huge mass, you know, not nationwide, but certainly in

00:45:28.560 select localities across the country like New York or maybe Minneapolis or Dearborn and

00:45:32.660 others of, of people who have come in and they have, they have no interest in, you know,

00:45:38.000 doing right for everyone.

00:45:39.020 And they're, they're directly telling you, we are going to take down people that we view

00:45:44.260 as quote unquote, the enemy class, the target class, and we are going to take their stuff

00:45:49.500 and give it to the people who are our supporters.

00:45:52.200 And that's about it.

00:45:53.320 And this kind of politics is, it's obviously resentment politics, but it's also very, very

00:45:58.400 powerful and was led to really bad outcomes in the past.

00:46:01.500 Yeah.

00:46:02.160 I mean, Momdami is deeply anti-American.

00:46:04.180 I mean, he's, you even saw AOC at the big democratic rally speech, basically say that

00:46:08.180 everybody built New York city, except white people when it was, you know, white Protestants 0.96

00:46:12.600 who founded New York city, it was called new Amsterdam for a reason.

00:46:15.600 Uh, I'm tired of a world where, you know, it's very obvious, like who they think is the

00:46:20.180 enemy and who they, who they're willing to be violent against and whose deaths they're

00:46:22.960 willing to mock.

00:46:23.740 Like it's you and me and it's other Republicans where the, where the enemy that they're willing

00:46:28.160 to see dead, that maybe they wouldn't pull the trigger themselves, but they shouldn't

00:46:31.080 certainly wouldn't shed a tear if other people pulled the trigger against us.

00:46:33.820 And that's, you know, that needs to, every conservative needs to understand that what

00:46:38.280 the stakes are.

00:46:40.600 No, it's a hundred percent.

00:46:41.580 And by the way, we are going to be seeing this Halloween because Halloween's coming up

00:46:45.600 on a Friday.

00:46:46.720 I'm just going to say, we've already seen a few.

00:46:48.320 We're going to see more.

00:46:49.240 These leftists are going to be celebrating it.

00:46:51.120 They're going to be dressing as Charlie Kirk.

00:46:52.680 They're going to have, uh, you know, plumes of blood spurting from their, uh, from their 0.94

00:46:58.180 necks.

00:46:58.600 The freedom shirt, it's going to be everywhere, right?

00:47:00.560 There will probably even be just, you know, screenshot it, right?

00:47:04.520 You know, there will be people who try to dress up as Erica who do things like this to 1.00

00:47:07.940 mock them.

00:47:08.460 And I'll, I'll simply put it like this screenshot, every single one of them screenshot, every

00:47:13.480 single one of them document them because we are going to make them famous.

00:47:18.600 We're going to make them absolutely famous.

00:47:20.600 And we're more than happy to do so.

00:47:22.500 Will Chamberlain, where can people go to follow you and get access to your work?

00:47:25.640 You can follow me at, at will Chamberlain on X, and you can follow what I do with the

00:47:30.240 article three project at a three P action.com joined in many of our campaigns where we try

00:47:35.040 and bully senators into doing what we want.

00:47:37.900 Thank you so much.

00:47:38.780 All right, folks, this Sunday in New Jersey, check me out.

00:47:43.020 I'll be at the turning point action, super chase event to get the ballots out on us.

00:47:49.420 That's this Sunday afternoon, Tom's river, New Jersey.

00:47:52.400 We're going to be up there turning point action the first time deploying to New Jersey, the

00:47:57.780 garden state.

00:47:58.480 And by the way, if you're in the garden state, if you know anyone in the garden state, go

00:48:01.620 vote, go vote right now.

00:48:03.800 New Jersey vote, New Jersey vote.

00:48:06.100 Imagine living in New Jersey and not having voted yet.

00:48:09.700 Could you, can you live with yourself?

00:48:11.200 Could you, I don't, I don't know if I could.

00:48:12.920 So you got to get out there, be persistent and harass people.

00:48:16.180 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay a short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - October 28, 2025

Tyler Robinson Lawyers Motion to Ban Cameras From the Charlie Kirk Murder Case

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