Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Tyler Robinson's Defense Team Desperate, Goes Full Female Theater Kid Already

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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth-generation warfare.

00:00:36.000 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.

00:00:47.000 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.

00:00:50.000 Christ is king!

00:00:52.000 Amid already heightened tensions, today, military escalations with Iran.

00:00:57.000 The American aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln, which just arrived in the region as part of President Trump's military buildup,

00:01:04.840 was today approached about 500 miles from the Iranian coast by an Iranian drone,

00:01:10.960 flying aggressively and with unclear intent, according to U.S. Central Command.

00:01:17.600 The Lincolns scrambled a fighter jet and shot it down.

00:01:21.180 But what is really the major problem in this country today is the fascism in our streets.

00:01:25.620 the attacks on American citizens by masked hoodlums.

00:01:32.780 If you were attacked by a masked person,

00:01:35.460 you might think you were being kidnapped. 0.64

00:01:36.720 You'd be justified in shooting the person.

00:01:38.780 For those who are not a national security threat

00:01:41.040 or public safety risk,

00:01:43.860 you are not exempt from immigration enforcement actions. 0.94

00:01:48.720 If you're in the country illegally, you are not off the table. 0.99

00:01:52.180 And let me be clear,

00:01:52.960 President Trump fully intends to achieve mass deportations during this administration,

00:01:58.240 and immigration enforcement actions will continue every day throughout this country.

00:02:02.240 The other thing we can't lose sight of is you probably have in Minnesota,

00:02:08.640 and it's worse in some places like California, 19 billion dollars in fraud.

00:02:16.160 And we're going to find out, you know, we have, we're very deep into that investigation.

00:02:20.560 The accused assassin of conservative activist Charlie Kirk was back in court today.

00:02:24.980 22-year-old Tyler Robinson was shackled at the waist as he watched his defense attorneys argue

00:02:30.880 pre-trial motions that could impact whether he gets the death penalty.

00:02:35.840 Among them, the defense is trying to get the prosecution team tossed from the case.

00:02:40.220 They claim that there is a disqualifying conflict of interest.

00:02:43.960 The key fact is that the daughter of a deputy county attorney was actually in the crowd.

00:02:50.560 at the rally when charlie kirk was assassinated so will that make a fair prosecution impossible

00:02:57.040 as the defense argues today the county attorney said no denying that the daughter's presence at

00:03:03.040 that rally had any impact on any prosecutorial decisions was a search warrant on on the defendant's

00:03:09.760 house executed in this case it was yes down in st george and was evidence obtained from his house

00:03:16.400 It was, yes.

00:03:17.340 What kind of evidence?

00:03:18.420 If I recall, there were some bullet casings that had some inscriptions on.

00:03:22.760 There were some tools that were believed to have been used to make those inscriptions.

00:03:27.600 There were targets, I believe, that had been used, and also targets that had been purchased recently or just prior to the event.

00:03:37.680 There was ring doorbell camera footage obtained from other residences down there.

00:03:43.140 And then a number of electrical items, laptops and such that were collected as part of the warrant.

00:03:52.080 All right, folks, Jack Posobiec here. We're back. Human Events Daily live on Real America's Voice.

00:03:59.500 Today is February 4th, 2026. Anno, Domini.

00:04:03.940 And yesterday, of course, you know, we've been working hard putting together the show for the Super Bowl, the halftime show that you that they don't want you to see.

00:04:13.840 Now, we know that Super Bowl Sunday, of course, is this Sunday.

00:04:16.160 But our Turning Point USA halftime show is the one you want to see.

00:04:21.640 This is the All-American halftime show.

00:04:24.900 And you only want to watch the All-American halftime show.

00:04:28.780 The one that's in English, the one that's not in a foreign language.

00:04:31.620 And the one, of course, that's got an incredible lineup headlined by Kid Rock himself.

00:04:37.080 I got to tell you, I am watching all of Woodstock 99 to get ready.

00:04:41.920 No, not just Kid Rock's part.

00:04:43.300 I'm talking everybody at Woodstock 99 to prepare for this auspicious event.

00:04:49.220 But then in the middle of all of that, what did I do?

00:04:53.280 Went back and had to watch this hearing, Tyler Robinson.

00:04:56.780 And there's this moment where one of Tyler's defense attorneys, I'm sorry, she just goes full theater kid on us.

00:05:07.960 Check it out.

00:05:12.360 And you mentioned we've I know I have two minutes.

00:05:15.360 I'm going to talk very fast. 1.00

00:05:16.620 I know she's about to kill me.

00:05:18.080 You mentioned the DNA evidence.

00:05:19.960 You're certainly not a DNA expert.

00:05:21.400 Is that correct?

00:05:24.040 I'm not.

00:05:24.820 No.

00:05:24.960 And are you aware that the DNA evidence that was seized from the scene consisted of a mixture of at least five different individuals?

00:05:32.860 I'm not a DNA expert, so...

00:05:35.640 So you know enough to say what helps him, but you're not going to answer whether or not there were five individuals mixed into that DNA?

00:05:41.420 I'm not aware of that, no.

00:05:42.700 Okay. And you're certainly not qualified to interpret complex DNA mixtures, are you?

00:05:47.620 No, I'm not.

00:05:48.240 Okay. Court's indulgence for just one moment, Your Honor.

00:05:54.960 six minutes miss nester is there i i know i gave you that six minutes is there any other

00:06:04.220 questions that you feel you need to ask thank you for asking but i think i'm done thank you thank

00:06:08.780 you what is going on here with this this this lunch pail she's she's up there going all right

00:06:16.660 explain this to me she's she's like oh you're not the dna expert but we're going to ask you

00:06:21.920 about a bunch of DNA stuff that isn't in evidence and also has no bearing on you and anything that

00:06:29.660 you did, but we're going to go check this out. We're going to go look at this. We're going to

00:06:33.360 try, excuse me. And then she accuses him. She, Oh, well, you'll give the other guy an answer,

00:06:38.780 but you won't give me an answer. Oh, you want to answer my question. And he's like, I'm not

00:06:43.480 qualified to do that. That would be breaking evidentiary rules. That would be break all

00:06:48.160 sorts because she's going full theater pit kid why is she going full full theater kid it's it's

00:06:56.260 very clear to me desperation is setting in that's why they're trying these delay tactics these

00:07:01.580 emotional tactics we're going to do a full deep dive of this but coming up next we got a special

00:07:07.600 guest with us to break down the all-american halftime show right back human events deal

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00:09:04.920 All right, so folks, this Sunday night, 8 p.m. Eastern,

00:09:10.260 maybe a little even before 8 p.m. Eastern,

00:09:12.820 maybe around 7, 6, because there's more stuff going on,

00:09:15.320 you want to turn on Real America's Voice,

00:09:18.540 because right here we'll be streaming the Turning Point USA

00:09:22.940 All-American Halftime Show.

00:09:25.100 You can also get it, of course, on X.

00:09:26.920 It's going to be at Rumble.

00:09:27.780 It's going to be at YouTube.

00:09:28.840 I'll have it up on my page.

00:09:30.220 People could see it on the Turning Point USA social media, just all the accounts, like all the places that we have are normal social media.

00:09:37.640 You'll be able to see it there.

00:09:39.380 A couple other spots that are also going to be partnering with TPUSA.

00:09:43.260 I know Daily Wire is coming up, Sinclair, a few others.

00:09:45.820 So you want to get it, but really a TBN.

00:09:48.240 But I really do think that the RAV, the RAV stream is just going to be phenomenal.

00:09:52.960 I think there's going to be some special coverage and pregame coverage, pre-show coverage that you're going to want to see.

00:09:59.820 So check that out. And I wanted to, you know, kind of talk some more about how this isn't just this is not a political event.

00:10:08.820 This is beyond political. This is cultural. This is about identity. This is about who we are as Americans.

00:10:13.980 It's about heritage, about supporting all of those things.

00:10:17.080 And I thought, who better than to comment on all of the cultural production than our good friend Kevin Sorbo, who joins us now?

00:10:26.640 What's up, Kevin? Hey, how you doing? It's good to see you again.

00:10:29.820 Doing real well. So I got to ask you, how did you think when the announcement came down that the turning or excuse me, that the other halftime show was getting bad bunny?

00:10:40.720 You know, I didn't know the dude was and my boys had to let me know who it was. And I went online to look at his music and stuff. And it's just it's interesting to me what they do within the Super Bowl halftime show, what it used to be and what it's kind of turning into over the last five, six years.

00:10:55.860 because the whole idea of the Super Bowl with the commercials,

00:10:59.840 who are they promoting?

00:11:01.220 Who are they going after?

00:11:02.460 They're going after the people that actually buy products, 0.93

00:11:05.100 and that's the 40 years old and older people.

00:11:07.500 And yet they bring a guy out that most of these guys, 40 and older,

00:11:10.140 aren't going to know who the heck this dude is.

00:11:12.100 And we got a little taste of him, of course, at the Grammys,

00:11:15.760 which I never watched.

00:11:18.040 I just watched some of the clips, of course,

00:11:19.420 because all these award shows keep getting less and less coverage

00:11:23.020 because nobody cares anymore.

00:11:24.180 They only care within the little bubble of Hollywood, just like the Dems only care about the little bubble in Washington, D.C.

00:11:29.780 But we've got to realize that the commercials coming on right now, these two, three, four million dollar commercials,

00:11:36.000 are targeting people that actually can afford the products that they're actually promoting for the most part.

00:11:41.360 And that's the crowd that wants to watch.

00:11:43.640 They'd rather see Fleetwood Mac.

00:11:45.100 They'd rather see Supertramp.

00:11:46.560 They'd rather see Styx or Journey or Eagles or something at halftime instead of this guy.

00:11:51.740 So I think a lot of people are going to flip over to what you guys got going at TPUSA with a group of people that represent America far better than the bunny die does. 0.55

00:12:03.020 Well, and that's what we're going for, right?

00:12:05.100 Because, you know, and what's funny is, and I've said this a couple of times, Charlie and I used to always kind of joke about this.

00:12:10.940 We had conversations.

00:12:12.320 Charlie, he would always rail about the Super Bowl shows, their halftime shows, and he would talk about them and say, I can't stand this.

00:12:19.660 I can't stand where this is going.

00:12:20.820 and people we've been pulling up the old tweets that he has up and some we're going to play some

00:12:25.080 old clips from from him talking about it. And it was somewhere he said, you know, maybe one day

00:12:29.520 we'll do our own. Maybe one day we'll do our own. And you know what? Given this situation,

00:12:34.640 it is, as you say, it does come down to a lot of where people spend their money. This is actually

00:12:40.040 an economic thing, because we know that this Sunday is going to be huge driver of economic

00:12:45.560 activity for a lot of corporate America. And guess what? Over at TPSA, we don't have to

00:12:49.920 corporate America's backing. We don't have, you know, these these massive, you know, ad spends

00:12:55.540 that are going around for the thing. We literally just have supporters. But you know what? I think

00:13:00.600 we got the truth on our side. And I realize that's something that you do as well, because

00:13:04.360 you're always pushing cultural content and understanding that if we're ever going to win

00:13:08.820 this thing, we have to take back the culture because politics, all the rest of it, that's

00:13:12.800 downstream, as Andrew Breitbart taught us. Yeah, well, that's why I do movies that Hollywood used

00:13:17.060 to do, movies that have love, hope, laughter, redemption, faith, things that Hollywood used

00:13:21.340 to do all the time.

00:13:22.540 And you see the road they've been going down.

00:13:24.400 I think there's a tipping point, though, because they're starting to reach out to do a little

00:13:27.820 more family-driven, more morally-driven type of shows.

00:13:31.560 I'm not saying stop doing the movies they're doing, but they've totally banned what they

00:13:34.800 used to do.

00:13:35.660 Look at the Disney loss.

00:13:36.640 I think Disney's like $1.8 billion they've lost in their movies over the last five years.

00:13:41.740 I mean, if you're a stockholder, you're not too pleased about that.

00:13:44.560 So to me, it's like, you know, why not?

00:13:46.380 And actually, I don't know, just to, did you see, I don't know if you happened to catch

00:13:50.640 yesterday, this was going viral, that in the Warner Brothers Netflix hearing, they actually

00:13:55.840 had to admit that the Superman movie that came out last year totally underperformed.

00:14:02.500 Yeah.

00:14:03.620 Well, I hate to admit that.

00:14:05.340 But look, the best Super Bowl performance that I can think of memory right now was not 0.99

00:14:09.160 even an American guy.

00:14:10.340 He was from across the pond, but Paul McCartney.

00:14:13.860 When they had Paul McCartney, it was huge.

00:14:15.360 People loved it.

00:14:16.380 Because he's about as American as you can get with the music that had influence on people back in the 60s and 70s.

00:14:21.840 So I don't know why they don't go back to that.

00:14:24.300 Why they cater to the teenagers.

00:14:26.920 Maybe they're trying, I don't know, maybe they're trying to build the NFL to have more viewers in that age group.

00:14:31.100 And so many of them in that age group probably don't even watch anymore.

00:14:33.700 So I know I'm a football guy.

00:14:35.860 I probably love college football more than the NFL.

00:14:38.080 But I'll be watching the Super Bowl game.

00:14:39.680 I still got my favorite teams out there.

00:14:41.080 So it's going to be interesting to see how many people flip over

00:14:45.340 to watch TPUSA's halftime show as compared to the halftime show

00:14:49.680 that already has a locked-in audience only for the football game.

00:14:53.700 Well, no, and I think that's absolutely huge.

00:14:56.640 By the way, you know, I love that you bring up that Super Bowl

00:14:59.880 because, of course, my team, the Eagles, lost that Super Bowl.

00:15:02.960 So I try to pull that out of my memory.

00:15:06.320 But, yes, Paul McCartney was definitely the highlight for me.

00:15:09.540 I think that was the it was the 04 season. So I guess they played in 05. And, you know, it was it.

00:15:15.060 It's really something. What is it? What does it mean, Kevin?

00:15:19.220 If we can get an audience and you've seen all the great cultural content, Angel Studios is out there.

00:15:24.960 Your stuff is out there. The numbers are going like crazy for these parallel cultural content.

00:15:31.540 What does it mean if we put up numbers that rival or even surpass the other show?

00:15:38.000 um it shows you that americans why it reinforces why americans voted for trump

00:15:43.920 let them voting for somebody like kamala harris who only made this country even worse because

00:15:49.360 that was the best person that they could actually come up with to run against trump

00:15:52.280 but um i i hope it does and i think it really comes down to people getting out their word of

00:15:57.480 mouth i mean word of mouth is the biggest thing to make things happen so uh like i said you don't

00:16:01.740 got you don't got a hundred million dollar advertising budget to promote this thing so

00:16:05.140 hopefully people will spread the word and say guys flip the channel get over there and watch

00:16:09.800 this halftime uh show because i don't i can't remember the last time i sat through an entire

00:16:14.360 halftime show i just don't care anymore for the people they bring out there uh call me old school

00:16:18.720 but the 70s 80s 90s had much better music than what's going on right now well that's right and

00:16:25.200 and i'm told that for folks that watch it right here on rav by the way right here on rav um that

00:16:31.260 Kid Rock already said in one of the interviews that he's got a big surprise planned.

00:16:35.540 I don't know what it is.

00:16:36.920 You know, people are like, hit me up like crazy.

00:16:38.620 Jack, what's going on?

00:16:39.580 What's the plan?

00:16:40.140 I'm like, look, guys, I know a little bit, but the actual content, you know, that's really

00:16:44.940 up for the artists.

00:16:45.880 You know, there's a lot that, you know, people are leaving to them and, you know, Brantley

00:16:49.700 Gilbert, Gabby Barrett, Lee Bryce.

00:16:51.760 I mean, it's just going to be a phenomenal lineup.

00:16:54.700 But, you know, a guy like Kid Rock, that's somebody who should have been headlining halftime

00:16:59.400 shows before.

00:17:00.340 He should have done multiple already halftime shows.

00:17:03.560 I'm kind of surprised that he hasn't because this is a guy who, you know, tours coast to coast, sold out, huge star, huge songs.

00:17:12.360 Plus, you got the lineup that is phenomenal.

00:17:15.320 And I'm just going to tell people, if you miss this show, you are going to miss a piece of history.

00:17:20.400 And people are going to remember where they were when they took a stand and when they changed the channel, put on Rav and watched this halftime show.

00:17:29.480 That's really what it's about, isn't it, Kevin?

00:17:31.860 Yeah, come on and join the party.

00:17:33.320 It's a better party than what they're going to have at the Super Bowl.

00:17:35.560 But once that's over, go back to the game.

00:17:38.060 So my prediction is Seattle's going to win.

00:17:41.280 I'm a Viking guy, and I'm not happy with your Eagles

00:17:43.780 when you beat us back, was it, 2018 or whatever it was.

00:17:46.380 Yeah, yeah, that's right.

00:17:48.060 And your main quarterback was out.

00:17:49.480 You had Coles or Foles, whatever his name is.

00:17:51.880 Yeah, yeah, Foles, Foles, Nick Foles.

00:17:53.320 He played the best he's ever played for three games in a row

00:17:55.640 and then disappeared.

00:17:56.940 It's just amazing to me.

00:17:57.980 It was, I mean, just God ordained.

00:18:00.800 What can I say?

00:18:01.480 God ordained.

00:18:02.320 Kevin, where could people go to check out everything that you're up to in terms of the

00:18:05.900 cultural output?

00:18:07.400 Sorbo Studios.

00:18:08.300 Go to sorbostudios.com.

00:18:10.360 I've got an amazing documentary out there right now that I did with the wonderful John

00:18:13.920 Lennox.

00:18:14.300 He's the one, the world's greatest apologist.

00:18:16.260 It's on Amazon right now.

00:18:17.460 It's called Standing Against the World.

00:18:19.020 Please check it out.

00:18:19.820 It's about proving God in a world of science.

00:18:21.420 We shot three weeks in Oxford, England, where he's a retired math professor, and two weeks

00:18:25.320 in Israel.

00:18:26.240 Standing Against the World.

00:18:27.260 So please check that out and sorbostudios.com has all the information, plus the cruise that

00:18:31.480 my wife and I are hosting late September into October.

00:18:34.400 We're going to walk in the footsteps of the Apostle Paul.

00:18:36.820 Go to sorbocruise.com, sorbocruise.com.

00:18:40.140 Sign up right now.

00:18:40.920 You're going to love this cruise all through the Greek Isles, and it's going to be an amazing

00:18:45.140 trip late September.

00:18:46.780 And no, that's amazing.

00:18:47.640 By the way, I got to ask, I don't know if you've caught any of the new Game of Thrones

00:18:51.640 Night of the Seven Kingdoms because I'm watching this saying, wait a minute, isn't this just

00:18:55.980 the legendary journeys of hercules but put into the game of thrones it's like the exact same thing

00:19:00.940 i gotta check it i'm sure it is i'm sure it is that was a wonderful seven and it was written

00:19:05.720 around the same time yeah it's too funny so hopefully i'll do it but by the way the reason

00:19:10.740 i'm cheering for seattle to win is one reason only because of the quarterback sam donald he

00:19:15.220 was with the vikings the vikings are the only team in the world influences these are influences

00:19:19.420 and uh they're friends of mine jack so like where's jack jack he's done a great job

00:19:27.680 all right jack so big we are back live human events daily and of course you know as we're

00:19:35.560 so excited for the tp usa all-american halftime show i look people keep asking me what's going

00:19:40.740 on sunday i'm like jack they're like jack what do you what do you know i'm like guys i i know a

00:19:45.500 little bit you know my big mouth kind of maybe started some of the ball rolling on this even

00:19:51.480 though it's really charlie's idea he was the one you know who was always talking about the uh the

00:19:55.920 halftime shows and all the rest of it but you know in all honesty it's it's you're gonna have

00:20:01.360 to see on sunday you're just gonna have to see kid rock saying that he's got he's got a surprise so

00:20:05.740 we all want to see what that is going to be but we did of course have the tyler robinson hearing

00:20:13.420 yesterday, and I wanted to bring in Libby Emmons, the editor-in-chief of The Post Millennial,

00:20:19.140 because, Libby, I know that you watched this hearing in full as well yesterday. Libby,

00:20:25.160 can you walk us through a little bit? What was this contention? You know, I see the headlines

00:20:29.960 and, you know, just explain for the folks back watching that didn't get a chance to see it.

00:20:34.100 They're trying to disqualify the entire prosecutor team, prosecutorial team from the Utah County

00:20:43.300 what's going on? Yes. So Tyler Robinson's defense attorneys are attempting to disqualify the entire

00:20:50.220 Utah County prosecutor's office from being able to try this case in Judge Tony Graff's courtroom.

00:20:59.500 And their reasoning is that one of the prosecutors who is an expert in homicide, apparently his

00:21:05.460 daughter was at Utah Valley University on September 10th when Charlie Kirk was killed.

00:21:11.280 and that's their entire contention. So, so the, their, their, their daughter was there.

00:21:19.740 She's 18. You know, that came out in some of the reporting horrifying, obviously, but at the same

00:21:25.600 time, is it really a conflict of interest? If someone was just nearby where a crime took place

00:21:32.800 And that person is is not a material witness because it seems that her presence was incidental to the actual crime that took place here.

00:21:43.980 Yes, that's exactly right. And that's what the prosecutors were pointing out.

00:21:48.320 They brought a an agent from the Utah State Bureau of Investigations to testify in court yesterday.

00:21:55.400 That was Dave Hall, and the prosecutors questioned Dave Hall about the significance of the young lady's perhaps witness testimony.

00:22:04.640 Now, what happened was Dave Hall said that the Bureau and the FBI put out posters encouraging people who had been at UVU on that day to come forward and discuss what they had seen.

00:22:17.520 The young lady was not one of the people who had come forward and the prosecutor spoke to Hall and Hall said that he did eventually see the footage that she had taken that day and that it was very similar to footage taken by countless others who had come forward and shared the footage.

00:22:34.300 He said that there was nothing particularly unique in anything that she saw or anything like that.

00:22:40.180 So that was pretty interesting because basically he was saying, no, like even if she was there, she doesn't have anything to offer that, you know, tens of other people or maybe, you know, more have to offer as well in terms of her what she could perhaps testify.

00:22:56.340 And she's not even particularly believed to be one of the witnesses in the case once it does eventually go to trial.

00:23:04.300 And so I thought that was interesting because Hall pointed out that none of the footage that they got from the people who had just been in the crowd there was able to point out anything about the identity of the shooter.

00:23:20.280 So, right. And this is what I mean by incidental in the sense that was she a witness?

00:23:25.100 Yeah, but there were thousands of witnesses who were present, obviously millions of witnesses at home to the events that took place.

00:23:33.140 And, you know, for folks watching, look, I'm trying to be analytical about this.

00:23:37.560 I'm trying to put my emotions on the shelf, as I always say, about one of these situations, even when, yes, the victim is someone that, you know, I was close to, that we're trying to analyze what the actual situation is here objectively.

00:23:51.820 And when you analyze it to say it's OK, well, was she a victim?

00:23:56.460 No, she wasn't.

00:23:57.360 Did she see him running up a staircase?

00:24:00.000 Did she, you know, see him running into the woods?

00:24:02.700 no, she did not. So it really does seem like the, you know, the legal term here would be

00:24:08.840 de minimis, that her presence was de minimis, meaning it's minimized. It's not something that

00:24:14.980 is, again, material or germane to the case. And something, the great Andrew Burkhart, I know you

00:24:20.680 and I have both been sharing her analysis, huge shout out to her. She had a great point as well

00:24:25.340 that, look, when you're in a small town, people run into each other. And these are just things

00:24:31.120 that kind of happen in the general course of daily life. And you have to deal with them in

00:24:35.960 the best way possible for the interest of justice. So, you know, if you're in a town where there's,

00:24:42.080 you know, only a couple of judges, maybe only a couple of lawyers, obviously Orem is a little

00:24:45.740 bigger than that, but the point still stands that you are going to have people that know people that

00:24:51.520 run into the middle, but that, that doesn't, uh, that doesn't supersede the need for justice to be

00:24:56.740 done in our system. And of course, I believe the judge is worried in the fact that so I believe

00:25:02.260 he did deny the referral to the attorney general because they're saying, oh, the attorney general

00:25:07.280 should, you know, review all this. He denied that. I believe and I think a lot of people that that

00:25:13.080 is a sign that he's probably going to deny this motion. Yeah, I got that sense as well. And that

00:25:20.060 is my feeling. Of course, we're not going to know until February 24th, which actually brings me to

00:25:25.200 something that I think is important, which is I believe that the defense attorney, I believe that

00:25:30.040 what they are trying to do, that team, is put in a lot of delays, is put in as many questions

00:25:35.700 ahead of the trial as possible. Robinson still has not entered a plea. There hasn't been an

00:25:41.140 arraignment. That's not scheduled until something like May. So I think what they're trying to do

00:25:46.080 is really muddy the waters here of what otherwise looks like a pretty straight-ahead murder case.

00:25:51.680 And so they're trying to bring in all of these extra ideas of, you know, perhaps the prosecutor has been biased and the prosecutor was asked outright, you know, the one whose daughter was at UVU, why he decided to not only announce that he was bringing the death penalty early, but but actually said that he was going to plan to do so.

00:26:13.100 And he said essentially that it was a preponderance of the evidence that made him say, in this case, a death penalty looks like it is warranted, and that he brought that announcement out in order to assuage any questions and just make plain what it was that the prosecutors were going to intend to show here.

00:26:32.420 And I think that's right, and I think that all needs to be understood, that all needs to be dug into.

00:26:37.940 We're coming up on a quick break. Libby, I want to hang on with you.

00:26:41.360 I want to bring on an attorney after the break to dig into this.

00:26:44.640 And I also want to dig into perhaps some of the defense strategy, which I believe came up during the cross-examination of the lead investigator in this case.

00:26:55.100 We'll dig into that huge deep dive.

00:26:58.900 The trial of Tyler Robinson for the murder of Charlie Kirk.

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00:28:47.180 switch. Today, I want to bring on Will Chamberlain now from the Article 3 project. Will, I know

00:28:53.520 you've obviously been tracking the case. You've seen a lot of this. How are you doing, Will?

00:28:59.240 I'm doing great, enjoying a brief amount of nice weather in Palm Beach

00:29:03.160 after a couple weeks of freezing stuff in North Carolina.

00:29:05.940 So it's nice to be down here.

00:29:07.740 So now we're still frozen all over in Pennsylvania and other parts.

00:29:15.220 Libby Emmons was just on talking about how she believed that it's a delay tactic here,

00:29:19.380 the Tyler Robinson case, on the part of the defense team to this whole conflict of interest,

00:29:25.180 the daughter being there, but not in any really material capacity. I wanted to get your sense

00:29:30.900 on that as well. Why are they making such a big deal about the presence of the daughter

00:29:37.480 when she was just another person in the crowd? I mean, it's an argument to make. You want to

00:29:45.420 preserve arguments for appeal. You don't want to be called for malpractice as later on when the guy

00:29:49.600 gets convicted and sues you for ineffective assistance of counsel. So you're just going to

00:29:53.100 all the arguments available to you uh so i think that there's a combination of stalling and you

00:29:58.540 know throwing throwing stuff at the wall and see what seeing what sticks i i've looked at this

00:30:02.620 argument it's just it's obviously very weak it's not frivolous so they can bring it and i think

00:30:08.300 you know when you're i don't know i've been there when i've been practicing and felt the obligation

00:30:12.540 to bring every non-frivolous argument i can to bear on behalf of my clients uh so i think that's

00:30:17.740 sort of what's going on here no i i i think that's that's i think that's right as well um

00:30:24.940 you know the for me it's it's it's it's so much they're going in uh you know to to say that you

00:30:31.020 have to disqualify all the members of the prosecution it's it's to be fair it just seems

00:30:35.740 like they're a bit of a stretch just seems a bit of a stretch i'll put it that way

00:30:41.180 yeah and your intuition is going to be right here a lot of the time this is one of those areas of

00:30:44.940 law where that's something that seems ridiculous on its face is is ridiculous i mean if you think

00:30:49.980 about what is the standard for conflicts of interest it's about uh whether a reasonable

00:30:54.220 person would find that there was you know impropriety or whether you know it's it's all

00:30:58.700 it's all about reasonableness which comes back to the standard of it's a standard that means that

00:31:03.100 even the lay person's intuition is usually going to be right and so a reasonable lay person would

00:31:07.900 think there's no reason that a prosecutor couldn't bring a case just because uh his daughter was

00:31:12.380 among the hundreds of people who was you know present in uh that venue if that if that person

00:31:19.100 had no evidence to bring i think that that's just sort of obvious that there's not a meaningful

00:31:22.620 conflict of interest there would be one thing if you know she were uniquely impacted by this

00:31:27.580 if there was some evidence that she personally you know was traumatized into the degree where

00:31:32.460 she's going through uh you know therapy maybe i mean if there was something like that where you

00:31:36.700 could say there's just a reason this particular person is more invested in the prosecution of

00:31:41.580 mr kirk than any other prosecutor would be uh then maybe you'd have some sort of argument but

00:31:47.100 it's just it's just not it's not a very compelling case and if i mean if you if you applied the

00:31:52.140 standard of disqualification to include the prosecutor's office based on this you any sort of

00:31:57.420 major like public murder of somebody it'd be very very difficult to find a prosecutor's office to

00:32:02.060 be able to take it on because you know if you've got 500 witnesses well you can always just draw

00:32:06.380 out some sort of connection to somebody in the office and theoretically get them disqualified

00:32:11.800 on that basis. That can't be the way the law works. And it isn't the way the law works.

00:32:15.820 Right now. And then you could you could play that, you know, whisper down the lane,

00:32:19.020 you know, game six degrees, Kevin Bacon all day long. But I want to play this clip again for both

00:32:23.800 of you guys and get your take on it. This is the clip of Kathy Nestor questioning the lead

00:32:29.600 investigator about DNA evidence. Let's play that now.

00:32:36.380 And you mentioned, I know I have two minutes, I'm going to talk very fast, I know she's about to kill me.

00:32:42.040 You mentioned the DNA evidence, you're certainly not a DNA expert, is that correct?

00:32:48.000 I'm not, no.

00:32:49.040 And are you aware that the DNA evidence that was seized from the scene consisted of a mixture of at least five different individuals?

00:32:56.680 I'm not a DNA expert, so.

00:32:59.360 So you know enough to say what helps him, but you're not going to answer whether or not there were five individuals mixed into that DNA.

00:33:05.300 I'm not aware of that, no.

00:33:06.560 Okay.

00:33:07.460 And you're certainly not qualified to interpret complex DNA mixtures, are you?

00:33:11.500 No, I'm not.

00:33:12.120 Okay.

00:33:13.620 Court's indulgence for just one moment, Your Honor.

00:33:23.360 Six minutes.

00:33:24.580 Ms. Nestor, I know I gave you that six minutes.

00:33:27.560 Is there any other questions that you feel you need to ask?

00:33:29.880 Thank you for asking, but I think I'm done.

00:33:31.820 Thank you.

00:33:32.420 Thank you.

00:33:32.800 all right so so i wanted to get the sense um for me i thought this was just very theatrical and

00:33:40.660 emotional uh you know she's oh you'll you'll answer his questions because she answered a you

00:33:45.320 know he answered a you know kind of in a very just brief sense of the dna questions from the

00:33:50.960 prosecutor's team on direct and you know had just sort of repeated what the charging document said

00:33:56.080 about the DNA match between the rifle,

00:33:59.180 the screwdriver, and Tyler Robinson.

00:34:02.980 And, you know, but the way that she's sort of, like,

00:34:05.360 berating him, haranguing him,

00:34:07.540 to me it just seems like she's coming across very theatrical,

00:34:10.440 like full theater kid.

00:34:11.480 Like the way she says her words in this emotional,

00:34:15.100 like very millennial tone

00:34:16.480 is going to have some kind of difference here. 0.99

00:34:19.720 Libby, of course, you have a theater background. 1.00

00:34:21.960 We'll get your sense on that.

00:34:23.440 Yeah, I thought it was also very dramatic,

00:34:25.480 And it was interesting, too, because she used the fact, as you said, that DNA had previously been brought up to bring it up again.

00:34:32.060 And then in so doing, she posited something that was basically a new theory that no one had really heard before, that there were apparently five different individuals of DNA.

00:34:42.580 She left out an awful lot, like where she alleged that this had been found, what it had been associated with or any of that.

00:34:50.320 And I think that was intentional.

00:34:51.860 I think that was to sway anyone who might be watching, who may perhaps end up in the jury pool, who knows, you know, to sway the American public to believe that there is more of a doubt in this case than there likely is, given the preponderance of evidence, which is the evidence also that the investigator mentioned when he was being questioned by the prosecutors.

00:35:17.380 no i i that's that's that was my sense as well will i wanted to get your your take on that

00:35:24.240 well so it's it's interesting to hear her try and make this claim it's like oh there might have been

00:35:30.260 five other sources or five other people with evidence from the scene i don't even know if

00:35:34.480 the scene just refers to the specific place where the shooter was pointing you know shooting shot

00:35:40.920 charlie from or you're talking about the scene being where the gun was left uh but this is this

00:35:46.060 is actually very common because oftentimes what happens is that there's multiple there's the dna

00:35:51.900 of the uh criminal and then there's the dna of the police officers who are there to collect

00:35:56.540 the pieces of the scene so it's the kind of thing that when if this actually tries to come up at

00:36:01.100 trial i don't know that it will because i wonder if the defense counsel will just be ready for

00:36:05.260 you know the obvious follow-ups from the prosecution which will be like okay so who

00:36:08.940 are the other four people uh that were identified and it'll be a list of four of the police

00:36:13.100 investigators who came onto the scene or something like that uh or you know if friends

00:36:18.540 yeah or yeah friends um the the roommate lover boyfriend that he had or the fact that we know

00:36:25.500 that this was a family uh firearm so what did that mean it was like like his father his brothers his

00:36:31.440 grandfather because it was a grandfather's rifle they handled it you know plus there's also the

00:36:35.900 the question of the proportionality of the dna it was like it's like it was what was the proportion

00:36:40.780 Was it 98 percent Tyler Robinson's D.A. and DNA and two percent the rest in this touch DNA?

00:36:46.300 Because that would matter as well. So all of these things, of course, do come up.

00:36:50.420 But of course, I'm reminded of that of that old saying, you know, when the facts are on your side, pound the facts.

00:36:57.200 When the law is on your side, pound the law. And when neither are on your side, pound the table.

00:37:03.440 It just seems to me that's right. And she's doing here.

00:37:06.600 I mean, what is really the argument here?

00:37:08.860 I mean, they have video evidence of a guy matching Tyler Robinson's description, entering and exiting the building, walking around with an extremely stiff leg.

00:37:17.020 And then all of a sudden he doesn't have that problem when he's the guy who's fleeing.

00:37:20.840 And it's the parents who identify.

00:37:22.700 It's just overwhelming.

00:37:25.480 We're coming up on a quick break.

00:37:27.340 Will, I want to hold you over. 0.57

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00:38:11.020 Jack is a great guy.

00:38:12.600 He's written a fantastic book.

00:38:14.280 Everybody's talking about it.

00:38:15.460 Go get it.

00:38:16.640 And he's been my friend right from the beginning

00:38:18.480 of this whole beautiful event.

00:38:20.540 And we're going to turn it around

00:38:21.920 and make our country great to get to him.

00:38:23.840 Amen.

00:38:27.820 All right, Jack Posobiec, we are back here.

00:38:30.700 Will Chamberlain is our guest. We're talking about the latest in the Tyler Robinson trial,

00:38:36.760 who's on murder on trial for the murder of Charlie Kirk. Will, but some of the questions

00:38:42.120 that we're getting in regarding these forensics, the DNA, OK, five mixture of five strands of DNA.

00:38:48.620 You know, this is one of those things that I've noticed in other murder trials that I've covered

00:38:54.600 over the years that it always seems to come up, especially when it's a death penalty trial.

00:38:58.440 They really get into the nitty gritty of the DNA of the DNA tests, the way it's written, the way it's worded, because, again, not typically because they're looking to actually disprove the guilt, but they're they're looking to just obfuscate the actual situation and the actual test.

00:39:14.920 So even though you have a test that shows, OK, there is a match between here and here, they'll play all these games with the words, with the phrasing, with the math involved to try to make it seem like there is a disconnect when, in fact, there really isn't one.

00:39:29.640 yeah and i mean that the way that testimony or that line of questioning from the defendant's

00:39:35.160 defense lawyer went made me think of exactly that like you're you're bringing up this very very one

00:39:40.180 vague fact there's five other people's dna there but you're not talking about uh who those people

00:39:45.200 are or how much of their dna was found and found on what and the odds that this that sort of evidence

00:39:51.960 will be meaningful once those questions are answered as low uh because if you know what

00:39:57.760 you know what she didn't say was that tyler robinson's dna was not among the five people

00:40:01.700 right that's that's a very obvious missing piece of information right uh so if tyler robinson's

00:40:08.600 dna is among the five people uh and you know that that that would seem to be the more relevant piece

00:40:14.500 of information that it demonstrates that he was one of the people yeah go ahead oh no i just add

00:40:20.480 on that is so okay so he was he was but also you know there's other pieces of information then that

00:40:26.900 you have to, so this is just logical deduction. So, okay, we can, we can say, all right, you know,

00:40:31.180 who are those other four people? Can they be, you know, was it family members? Was it friends?

00:40:34.840 Can we look at this? But then also this isn't the, this, this type of, of, of argument or this

00:40:40.820 type of line of questioning only really makes sense. If you look at this piece of evidence,

00:40:44.580 um, in, in a vacuum and don't consider the fact that, okay, well, do we have evidence of anyone

00:40:50.300 else running into those woods and then coming out of those woods on the ring camera? Oh, we don't

00:40:56.260 for the entire period of time, which included the time that we know that police were there

00:41:00.780 surveilling the area, securing the area. He actually says in one of his own text messages,

00:41:06.180 I can't go recover the gun because there's a police officer there. So we know police were there

00:41:10.320 fairly quickly in the area where the gun was, where the rifle was. Is there a cell phone trail?

00:41:17.800 Is there an electronic trail from a cell phone that can be tied as well? Were any of these other

00:41:23.240 people in the deep that were found on the dna were their electronic signatures found there as

00:41:27.840 well footprints etc i mean i could go down the list of all of these other ways that you can prove

00:41:33.300 so it's it's never just one piece of evidence but of course in this instance they'll try to make you

00:41:39.120 think well oh this shows that something else was involved they do this with the oj trial all the

00:41:43.660 time by the way when it's like well someone else was there it's like but we can tell that there

00:41:47.720 were only three people on that on that sidewalk we can tell that from the evidence there's only

00:41:52.040 evidence of three people. So you can't be, you just can't add these people because there's no

00:41:56.460 evidence of that. Right. I mean, who else is going to have access to this specific gun prior to

00:42:03.940 Kirk shooting? That's another obvious question, right? You suddenly you have five people with

00:42:08.580 DNA on it. Okay. You can, everybody on that list who would have not have possibly had access to

00:42:13.100 this gun is irrelevant because it means that their DNA came onto the scene after the crime

00:42:16.960 was committed. Okay. So now we're down to just who the family members is there. And then maybe

00:42:21.400 there's like or it's twigs or something is there any of any evidence that a guy matching twigs

00:42:25.680 description was on scene is there any electronic evidence and any of these other people were in the

00:42:30.020 shooter's nest oh no just tyler robinson okay like this is people you know the funny thing is the

00:42:36.060 defense lawyer is bringing up this piece of information as though it's going to be vindicate

00:42:39.580 them but in reality the fact that there's only five dna matches to the crime scene and tyler

00:42:44.920 robinson is among them is a devastating fact for the defense and it's going to be something the

00:42:49.640 prosecution actually leans on. Uh, and so, you know, I think maybe she's just trying to sort of

00:42:54.320 set the frame in these preliminary hearings well before any, any evidentiary rules come into play.

00:42:59.200 Cause like the, you know, obviously this line of questioning wouldn't be allowed in trial in front

00:43:03.600 of the jury because there's like a lack of foundation. There's all sorts of other problems

00:43:06.600 with it, but we're in a preliminary hearing discussing whether or not the, go ahead.

00:43:11.900 No, no. But I was just going to say that in the, you know, we say we're not in front of the jury,

00:43:16.260 But in a sense, we are, because she herself brings up the fact that there have been theories

00:43:20.780 bandied around on social media, that there's this entire firestorm going on regarding this.

00:43:26.900 She well knows and is, in fact, the one that calls attention to the social media theories

00:43:33.100 and this very real sense that potential jurors are on social media who may have seen this.

00:43:41.380 She knows exactly what she's doing.

00:43:43.260 She wants this piece of information to get out there, to sow the seeds of doubt, not just in the jurors, but in anyone who's going to be in that member of members of that 12 person jury pool, the two alternates, et cetera, that she is already working to do that.

00:43:59.280 That's why she asked that question, because she wants the headline out there.

00:44:03.460 That's correct.

00:44:04.160 I'm reminded of when Lee Kuan Yew was talked about one of the cases he handled in Singapore in his youth as when he was actually a practicing litigator, practicing criminal defense lawyer.

00:44:13.920 And he talks about how he basically pushed this theory that he knew was not what actually happened.

00:44:19.900 He knew his client was guilty, but he pushed this theory and aggressively tried to bring it up and persuaded a jury to acquit him.

00:44:26.360 And that's ultimately what led Lee Kuan Yee to oppose trial by jury in Singapore was his own ability to get understand that juries were very, very fallible.

00:44:36.080 So that sounds like what this lawyer is doing. Like, I don't blame this lawyer for doing their job.

00:44:40.740 Their job is to, you know, within the bounds of ethical responsibility, try and put forward arguments and make the case for their client and increase the chances that they'll be acquitted.

00:44:51.180 I'm not going to get mad at the lawyer for doing their job, but it's obviously the obligation of the judge to, you know, rule the correct way on her motions, which are not not meritorious.

00:45:01.160 If not, they're not frivolous, but they're not certainly not meritorious.

00:45:03.560 And then for for the general public to understand what she's doing and to just say, look, this is, you know, this is not what was your sense argument here?

00:45:13.700 What was your sense of the tone? Because for me, Andrew Burkhardt, I believe, described her as pushy.

00:45:18.980 I I'm I'm calling her theatrical I would say she was berating haranguing to me the tone was an

00:45:27.740 immediate turnoff right there are ways to ask that question there are ways to boldly ask that

00:45:32.500 question but the the tone the demeanor just seem very dismissive and this sort of lot this like

00:45:38.040 sarcastic oh you'll help him but he's not helping the the prosecutor he's answering the question

00:45:44.360 And, you know, I don't know if I if I just as an objective person, I when people use tones like that, I it really turns me off.

00:45:52.400 You know, you know what? How much of that role do you think plays in the jury?

00:45:58.000 I mean, who knows if she used a different tone of the jury?

00:46:00.300 I can tell you that, I mean, in these preliminary hearings, this is very unimpressive to judges and very unimpressive to our opposite counsel.

00:46:06.780 But who cares? That's not that important. But it's unimpressive to judges.

00:46:09.140 It's unimpressive to the judges, clerks, this sort of these sort of dramatics and emotional histrionics.

00:46:14.360 when, you know, the judges are trying to get the law right. And we're all, you know, these are

00:46:18.280 people who are in the courtroom all day, every day. So they're not impressed by sort of baseless

00:46:22.980 theatrics. And judges, in my experience, get really irritated by this tone being taken with

00:46:28.860 them in motion hearings. Like they really just want you to stick to the facts and the law

00:46:33.880 and not get indignant as a counsel. Judges really don't like arrogant, indignant lawyers in front

00:46:41.640 of them when they, especially when they're arguing to the judge for, for the judge's

00:46:45.640 ruling on something.

00:46:46.380 So I think, I don't think she's doing herself any favors with this.

00:46:49.560 And even if I were her colleague, I would be telling her that, you know, save this,

00:46:53.440 save whatever your dramatics are for the jury, uh, maybe, but certainly do not do this sort

00:46:57.960 of stuff in front of the judge who will not be impressed.

00:47:00.500 Yeah.

00:47:00.920 Especially when, you know, the reason that they're even having this entire hearing, which

00:47:05.060 is again, we're still pre-arraignment at this point is because of her own challenge.

00:47:10.160 So it's like we're all here because of, you know, this having these extra hearings because of your emotions.

00:47:14.920 So, you know, anything that you're doing to, you know, clearly, you know, stand on your soapbox and perform is is I'm sorry.

00:47:23.420 She's playing for the cameras. I just I'm just saying it. She's playing for the cameras.

00:47:26.960 There's no question about it in in my mind. And, you know, I agree with you.

00:47:31.400 I don't think the judge is I think he's a fair guy. I think he's working very hard to be fair.

00:47:36.220 But at this end, he's given them a lot of leeway. But yes, not not scoring points.

00:47:40.020 Will Chamberlain, out of time, incredible analysis as always.

00:47:43.880 Of course, we'll have you back on as this trial continues for my friend and yours, Charlie

00:47:48.720 Kirk.

00:47:49.100 Where can people follow you?

00:47:50.480 That's right.

00:47:51.780 Follow me on x at Will Chamberlain and follow the Article 3 Project is doing at a3paction.com.

00:47:57.360 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay it short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - February 04, 2026

Tyler Robinson's Defense Team Desperate, Goes Full Female Theater Kid Already

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