Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - TYLER ROBINSON TEAM WANTS TO BAN CAMERAS, DELAY TRIAL 4 MORE MONTHS

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00:00:52.060 Christ is king.

00:00:54.100 And so going to that point that you just asked, so how do you propose a court balance your request for a potentially large, a long delay against the constitutional rights of victim representative Ms. Kirk and her right to a speedy disposition of the case?

00:01:14.260 For example, I noted in your motion you stated that your DNA expert needs, I believe it was six months.

00:01:20.920 That was harassment.

00:01:22.800 And so how do we balance that?

00:01:25.780 And I appreciate your statement, but going to your statement, as it relates to Ms. Kirk's right to a speedy disposition of a party outside, right?

00:01:36.060 Not counsel from either side.

00:01:38.360 But it seems like we're going to be held to the timeline of somebody outside who's an expert who's saying six months.

00:01:46.240 And that concerns the court.

00:01:47.840 ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard today's edition human events daily we're here live

00:01:53.280 washington dc today is april 17th 2026 the tyler robinson hearing is currently live in utah charlie

00:02:01.540 kirk murder trial i want to go to that immediately given the complex mixture that they're dealing

00:02:07.520 with and so that and that question cannot be answered based on the information that we have

00:02:13.540 been reviewed. Thank you, Mr. Root. I appreciate that. Thank you. Provides a lot of clarity.

00:02:18.820 All right, let's go ahead and we're at the 12 o'clock hour. Let's break for 15 minutes. Come

00:02:22.760 back at 12.13 to confer with defense in regards to discovery. And then we're going to transition

00:02:30.980 to talking about the media in the courtroom. As indicated, it's not the court's intent to issue

00:02:39.740 a ruling about continuing the preliminary hearing i want to weigh the evidence the oral argument the

00:02:46.060 information today but i am also cognizant of uh the timelines and and so that ruling will not be

00:02:54.540 delayed because both parties require that as they should with that court is now in recess

00:03:03.980 so what we're seeing here guys and and leave the shot up as it's live i just want to be able to see

00:03:08.620 what what's going on the courtroom i can explain a little bit the folks um so just catching up

00:03:14.000 this is the charlie kirk murder trial that you're seeing we're looking at some of the preliminary

00:03:19.380 um some of the pre-preliminary hearings i should say today's hearing was um going to be mostly

00:03:26.760 about media in the courtroom cameras in the courtroom which you know that i've been fighting

00:03:31.140 for that human events was the very first outlet to fight for we've been fighting so much and so

00:03:36.020 hard for cameras in the courtroom that Tyler Robinson's lawyers have even attacked us by name

00:03:42.020 in the courtroom, calling us out for our open letter calling for the cameras. So what have we

00:03:48.100 seen so far today? So far, they're arguing for a further delay in the case. Tyler Robinson's legal

00:03:55.020 team is arguing for two things right now. They're arguing that cameras be banned from the courtroom

00:04:01.280 because they don't want the American people seeing this,

00:04:03.880 and they're also arguing for a delay.

00:04:08.160 They want a delay in the case.

00:04:09.820 And as we've said here on Human Events over and over,

00:04:13.000 that if they thought that their client, Tyler Robinson, was innocent,

00:04:16.960 wouldn't they want the case to be moved and held as quickly as possible?

00:04:20.980 This preliminary hearing, which is set to take place next month in Utah,

00:04:25.580 in this courtroom, is going to be the preliminary hearing.

00:04:29.180 What does that mean?

00:04:29.720 The evidence against Tyler Robinson will be presented for the first time in full, at least the evidence as collected for the purposes of probable cause for making the the the indictment, the charges on him.

00:04:41.140 It will be presented. There'll be an an overview of the investigation.

00:04:45.620 It's not the official trial. And then, of course, Tyler Robinson will have the opportunity to make his plea guilty or not guilty.

00:04:52.620 He has yet to enter a plea seven months after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and it'll be eight months by the time of the preliminary hearing, unless it gets delayed, that Tyler Robinson has yet to actually enter a plea of guilty or not guilty yet.

00:05:07.120 His lawyer, Kathy Nestor, is there and is known for these types of delay tactics.

00:05:11.760 So rather than hear any arguments about evidence, any arguments about dispositive evidence or evidence of innocence, we're not hearing that.

00:05:23.580 We're hearing arguments about delay, delay, delay, delay, delay.

00:05:27.080 And again, we've been asking the question over and over.

00:05:30.000 If you believe your client is innocent, if you believe the evidence shows that your client is innocent, why do you keep pushing for these delays?

00:05:38.800 You can't have it both ways.

00:05:40.360 either you say that the evidence is stacked in your defendant's favor then you would want the

00:05:46.780 you would want the trial you want the hearing you want it to be going on as fast as possible

00:05:50.440 say your honor you got the wrong guy that's what you would do you would say let's get in here and

00:05:55.560 by the way why would you want to ban cameras wouldn't you want to do that in front of the

00:06:00.100 entire world to exonerate your client wouldn't you want your client's innocence to be shown to

00:06:05.540 the entire world before God and man that they could see that your client was innocent wouldn't

00:06:12.000 you want every camera in the entire world to be able to see that because if you believed he was

00:06:17.620 innocent that's what you would want if you believed that your client was an innocent man falsely

00:06:22.480 accused you would want the world to see it because you would want the world to be able to give him

00:06:26.780 his life back the way that Charlie will never have his life back but you could do that as a defense

00:06:31.760 lawyer. And you would do it if you thought your client was innocent. So again, you know, we see

00:06:37.880 these moves being made. Judge Graff, by the way, I'll just say, you know, I was watching this live

00:06:44.420 on Andrew Burkhardt's channel. Fantastic. Huge shout out to her. Great work. He seemed to be

00:06:49.380 getting very frustrated with the defense team because even asking them a direct question,

00:06:54.800 they would not give him a direct answer on why they needed the delay, why they're asking for a

00:06:59.380 six-month delay, by the way, which would be an incredibly, incredibly long delay in the case

00:07:05.340 and getting frustrated why they wouldn't give him a straight answer back. Jack Posobiec,

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00:08:56.180 All right, folks, I want to bring in my friend Arn McIntyre, host of the Arn McIntyre Show.

00:09:01.520 How are you, brother?

00:09:03.780 Doing well. Thanks for having me.

00:09:06.040 So we saw this report drop this week, and it was kind of a bombshell.

00:09:11.820 I think ATF report, the ballistics, Daily Mail wrote it up.

00:09:15.120 A much better write-up, I think, than their headline a couple weeks ago.

00:09:19.520 And even TMZ hitting it now saying that, you know, they said, look, you know, we can't

00:09:25.660 match the bullet fragments to this gun, but we can essentially match it to this class

00:09:34.180 of gun, given that it is .30 caliber.

00:09:36.680 We found that it was a .30 caliber bullet.

00:09:39.760 And so with that, what would you say that makes of, you know, this latest development

00:09:45.860 in the case?

00:09:46.480 And obviously the hearing is in recess right now.

00:09:49.520 Well, I really hope this just puts any speculation that he couldn't be the killer to bed.

00:09:54.500 It's very clear what happened here.

00:09:56.200 It's very straightforward.

00:09:57.540 A lot of people are trying to make it into something that it's not.

00:10:00.340 Don't get me wrong.

00:10:01.200 I understand wanting a thorough investigation.

00:10:03.500 I think that the public and the family of Charlie Kirk and his friends are owed the truth.

00:10:07.520 But ultimately, it's very clear that Tyler Robinson was involved in this, that he is the most important suspect that they have.

00:10:15.720 You have fingerprints.

00:10:16.840 You have this bullet matching.

00:10:18.120 obviously everything else from notes to his lover. This is a situation where the law is obvious in

00:10:26.480 this case, and it's time to go ahead and put that into effect so we can settle this. It's also

00:10:31.440 important that we have this settled because then it allows the Trump administration to go over

00:10:35.920 after the wider network of leftist progressives who are pushing this kind of rhetoric, the kind

00:10:42.640 that drove someone into the rage that they would shoot Charlie Kirk. It's very clear that this is

00:10:47.840 a wider effort by antifa and other leftist organizations to train these people to encourage

00:10:53.240 these people and so getting justice for charlie ensuring that we're able to go after a wider

00:10:58.120 network of people who are encouraging this behavior should be everyone's priority

00:11:02.200 yeah no i couldn't agree more on that um you know we want to we all want justice for charlie but of

00:11:10.240 course we also want to continue the mission that charlie gave us the mission that charlie

00:11:14.800 laid out, save the country, right? Fix the borders, fix the problems, save what's going on here. And

00:11:20.780 yet in this instance, it's, it's inexplicable to me that here we have this team, this defense team

00:11:28.540 where they're saying, okay, our client is not guilty. He's innocent. We want to fight for him,

00:11:35.760 but we're also asking for delays. We're asking for a delay of the preliminary hearing itself,

00:11:40.340 where he would just make his plea, you know, guilty or not guilty in the present probable

00:11:44.260 cause. It's not the actual trial. That's still a ways away. And they're even asking for a six

00:11:50.180 month delay in just the preliminary hearing. And at one point, you know, I think it was brought up

00:11:56.560 at the hearing today. They said, well, if you believe your your client is innocent, then you

00:12:00.740 you deliberately want him rotting in jail for another six months while you you prepare for

00:12:06.600 this hearing. What are you doing? Well, I mean, obviously they're lying, but that's their job.

00:12:11.720 they know that he's guilty they know that he's going to be completely destroyed in court and

00:12:16.900 their only hope because the facts are so obvious it's so open and shut the only hope is to really

00:12:23.420 delay things as long as possible mire them down in procedure and also don't forget that public

00:12:28.760 opinion is a critical part of this the longer down the road they can push this the less the

00:12:33.820 court is influenced by calls for justice and the more they can hope to work in some kind of

00:12:38.920 defense maybe on mental illness or some other aspect of the case that allows them to weasel

00:12:44.700 their way out of this they know that momentum and perception is critical so they want to make sure

00:12:49.820 that this is as far removed from the event of charlie's death as possible so to make sure that

00:12:55.640 they can get the maximum amount of sympathy or so you know make some other kind of case as to why

00:13:00.840 ultimately tyler robinson should not receive justice so i think that it's not that they have

00:13:05.560 any particular tactical understanding here other than we're screwed and the best thing we can do is

00:13:11.360 make this go as long as possible yeah they um there's this old saying in uh defense lawyering

00:13:19.260 where if you have the law on your side pound the law if you have the facts on your side pound the

00:13:25.200 facts and if you have neither on your side pound the table and it seems that uh in this instance

00:13:32.180 the table is what's being pounded. So when that comes back, we will pick it back up. But I do

00:13:38.520 also want to get we have some more breaking news where and I believe, guys, we have a clip of this

00:13:44.680 of Democrat Representative Ayanna Pressley. Guys, let's play that clip now.

00:13:50.000 I'm very proud of the work, the strategy, the whip effort by my by my office and the coalition

00:13:57.440 that we built nationally, resulting in that majority of those 218 signatures to force a vote.

00:14:03.760 There are 350,000 Haitian nationals in this country.

00:14:07.360 I represent the third largest Haitian diaspora in the country.

00:14:10.460 I co-chair the House Haiti Caucus.

00:14:12.800 And for me, this is a matter of keeping families together. 0.99

00:14:16.540 It's the acknowledgement that deporting those Haitian nationals back to Haiti,

00:14:19.740 a country that is politically destabilized, been ravaged by national disasters,

00:14:24.520 the assassination of their president, rampant gang violence, that is a death sentence.

00:14:30.360 And moreover, to separate families and to threaten several industries

00:14:35.340 where many Haitian nationals make great contributions, health care, construction, hospitality.

00:14:42.480 And so that is why I'm leading this fight.

00:14:45.920 And we are currently in legislative recess, but when I return to Washington and we are back in session,

00:14:51.460 That discharge petition has seven days to ripen, two days to sort of call the question, to call the vote, if you will, of every reason to believe that those signatures will hold, translate to votes.

00:15:04.820 It will pass the House. And then we take this fight to the Senate.

00:15:10.680 So, Aron, please correct me if I'm wrong. I've been looking at this hearing all morning. I've been laser focused on it.

00:15:16.960 This has got to be fake because I'm my producer to telling me something that's absolutely horrific, that the Republican House voted to require DHS to continue the Haitian temporary protected status until April 2029.

00:15:34.860 That can't possibly be true, can it?

00:15:37.220 This is absolutely insane, Jack, on every level.

00:15:40.680 OK, we had seven Republicans cross the aisle to make this pass.

00:15:45.460 Seven complete traitors, including, of course, Maria Salazar, the queen of immigration, the person who's pushing amnesty from the right, theoretically, from the conservative party, from the GOP, and six other traitors lined up behind her and pushed this.

00:16:01.960 And this is absolutely insane for several reasons. 0.75

00:16:04.980 One, the idea that you can't send Haitians back to Haiti because it's dangerous there is absolutely crazy. 1.00

00:16:12.380 Haiti is dangerous because it's full of Haitians. That's why it's dangerous. There's nothing magical 1.00

00:16:18.840 about the soil. It's the people of the country that make it dangerous. So if you bring dangerous

00:16:23.660 people to the United States because the country they created was too dangerous, you just make 0.94

00:16:28.800 the United States more dangerous. And Jack, I know this because just recently a woman was beaten to 0.97

00:16:36.040 death with a hammer by a Haitian migrant in my hometown, in my area of Florida. I have driven

00:16:42.520 past the gas station where that murder took place multiple times. This is not some theoretical

00:16:48.900 safety issue. This is not some abstract question of who is an American. This is a direct terrorist

00:16:55.360 threat in the United States. We have people who do not belong here, who are being kept here 0.94

00:17:00.500 through this insane quirk of Biden-era immigration law, and the Republicans are backing that up.

00:17:08.020 They are encouraging that to continue. Now, luckily, it's not all of the Republicans,

00:17:12.700 clearly. It was a handful, and the Republican Senate has already vowed that they will not

00:17:16.880 pass this. I hope that they hold to that promise, and obviously, President Trump would have the

00:17:20.860 option to veto since this is a standalone. However, ultimately, the fact that we even had

00:17:25.720 seven republicans willing to make this argument to agree with presley is absolutely crazy

00:17:31.240 and uh and and so so you know you've been outlining some of the contributions of the 0.55

00:17:38.180 haitians to american society there are and uh you know when when we hear about this you know 0.91

00:17:43.700 it's it you you go back to springfield ohio from 2024 which of course became this huge flashpoint

00:17:50.540 PolitiFact called it the lie of the year of 2024. Number one lie of the year, according to

00:17:56.120 PolitiFact. And yet we don't see any significant contributions. They're working in like meat

00:18:01.260 packing plants and stuff like this jobs that the American people should be doing. But they're not

00:18:06.340 because Haitian scab labor is able to do so and willing to do so for a much lower price than

00:18:12.180 Americans. Yeah, the very argument that Haitian immigrants are somehow economically necessary is 0.87

00:18:18.760 absolutely crazy. When you look at the statistics, 65% of head of households in the Haitian community

00:18:26.000 are on some form of welfare. That means that they are primarily being taken care of by the

00:18:32.680 government. They are not contributing economically. They are draining economically very directly. So

00:18:38.240 even in the menial jobs that they are filling, they are not actually supporting the majority

00:18:43.980 of their own families there is no economic argument there is no safety argument none of 0.99

00:18:50.020 this makes sense the only reason it makes any sense is that these people are playing diaspora

00:18:55.760 politics they are trying to gain votes from illegals who will be naturalized that's it

00:19:00.340 there's there's something there's something very sinister going on right back jack

00:19:04.940 Posobiec, R. McIntyre, Human Events Daily.

00:19:13.160 Talk about influences.

00:19:14.900 These are influences.

00:19:16.840 And they're friends of mine.

00:19:19.160 Jack Posobiec.

00:19:20.700 Where's Jack?

00:19:22.520 He's done a great job.

00:19:27.400 All right, Jack Posobiec back live here.

00:19:29.940 Human Events Daily.

00:19:32.740 Real America's Voice.

00:19:34.940 And we're still on a hearing in the recess in the hearing for Tyler Robinson today.

00:19:40.920 Want to get those questions, you know, get to that question of why does the Tyler Robinson defense want to ban courts from having cameras?

00:19:49.660 Why do they want to ban the world from seeing these hearings?

00:19:52.460 Why do they want to ban the world from seeing their client if they believe he's innocent?

00:19:56.760 Why do they want to ban things?

00:19:58.000 If you stand for transparency in the Charlie Kirk murder, how can you be on Tyler Robinson's team and call for a ban of cameras in the courtroom?

00:20:08.280 That's the opposite of transparency.

00:20:10.080 That is the opposite.

00:20:11.540 That is censorship.

00:20:12.900 That is censorship.

00:20:13.780 That is hiding things.

00:20:15.100 That is preventing the public from knowing what's going on.

00:20:18.620 So you want to be on team censorship?

00:20:20.520 That's Tyler Robinson's team.

00:20:21.960 If you want to be on team transparency, team truth, team openness, you must push for cameras in the courtroom.

00:20:28.400 It's really as simple as that.

00:20:29.360 And since we are standing for transparency, we are going to make everyone famous here who voted,

00:20:37.600 the Republicans and one who caucuses, who voted to keep the Haitians on temporary protected status.

00:20:46.260 I'll read the list.

00:20:46.980 Maria Salazar, Florida, Brian Fitzpatrick, Pennsylvania, Mike Lauer, New York, Don Bacon,

00:20:53.740 New England, excuse me, Nebraska. Gosh, Carlos Jimenez, Florida, Nicole Malatakis, New York,

00:21:01.620 and Kevin Kiley of California, who caucuses with Republicans. So there you go.

00:21:06.860 Aaron McIntyre, you know, this is the question that I want to ask is, you know, it's not like

00:21:13.580 these congressmen just wake up and say, oh, I'm going to vote this way because whatever,

00:21:18.440 right? There are actually power structures behind them that want these Haitians here in this 0.99

00:21:25.000 country and power structures that will take congressmen like Don Bacon, by the way, who's 0.98

00:21:30.060 already going to be leaving office and then provide them with golden parachutes, with jobs,

00:21:36.780 with lobbying contracts, et cetera, when they leave Congress. This is really about the powerful

00:21:43.060 underpinnings of our system more so than just these seven people, isn't it?

00:21:47.800 That's right. All the incentive structures line up for mass immigration. First, we have the 0.96

00:21:52.380 political incentives, which is if you can court different ethnic diasporas, they become entirely

00:21:57.880 dependent voters. And because we are still challenging the 14th Amendment and birthright

00:22:02.300 citizenship, if they have children here, basically they're automatically American citizens. People

00:22:07.980 know that long-term, if they cultivate these dependencies inside the United States, they will

00:22:12.780 gain political power. On top of that, there are powerful financial incentives. We have big

00:22:17.260 corporations that want cheap labor. We have a lot of different groups that want new consumers.

00:22:23.280 There's all kinds of reasons to pack as many bodies from third world nations into the United

00:22:28.060 States for different aspects of our system so that they can ultimately flourish. However,

00:22:33.160 it consistently hurts the american voter and over time we see that the ruling class who is packing

00:22:39.100 these people into the united states build resentment in many cases we can tell as for

00:22:44.560 instance in springfield springfield ohio that they are simply being brought there to spite

00:22:49.620 red state voters it is a deliberate effort to dilute the uh the republican vote in those areas

00:22:56.200 the support for conservative politics in those areas to destroy ultimately those communities

00:23:01.140 that are still classically American and destroy the American identity to make it easier to control

00:23:06.080 people through propaganda through pitting each other pitting them against each other but also

00:23:12.340 we see the build up of resentment from our different representatives we have Don Bacon and

00:23:18.380 this guy is so insane that on Twitter after he announced proudly his support of this bill he

00:23:24.580 then went on to mock different conservatives in his comments to the point where he threatened to 0.90

00:23:30.280 also extend the temporary protected status of Venezuelans and El Salvadorans, even though El

00:23:36.920 Salvador is now more safe than the United States due to Bekele. So we have a situation where we

00:23:43.080 have a Republican politician threatening people for the fun of it. Yes, I'm going to bring more

00:23:49.080 foreigners into your country, even though I know they have no right to be here, and I'm going to 1.00

00:23:53.300 keep them here, and there's nothing you can do about it because I hate you. This is what we're 1.00

00:23:56.900 getting from republicans when we have republicans talking about this who needs democrats yeah and

00:24:04.900 you look at these the the question though of of haiti is such an interesting an interesting one

00:24:09.940 because again here you have a country that was founded so many ways you know on wokeness in this

00:24:16.620 case it was a an offshoot of the french revolution where i i in the book on humans we wrote that it's

00:24:23.840 part of the french revolution cinematic universe that um you know the french government falls they

00:24:29.420 they uh make all the slaves in uh in haiti throughout the empire um give them the freedom

00:24:36.620 immediately and in this case you have the former slaves then raising up and remember they'd already

00:24:43.000 been given their freedom but they still rose up and killed all the white french people the men 0.86

00:24:48.860 The women slaughtered all the children in the in the country that they could find after performing voodoo rituals, which included Duddy Bookman was the head of this. 0.93

00:25:02.400 And he performed these satanic voodoo rituals, blood drinking of animals and things before they went on this this slaughter fest. 0.91

00:25:12.380 And for some reason, it's our it's still our fault. 0.78

00:25:16.620 It's still, you know, white people's fault or France's fault or America's fault that that Haiti is the way it is.

00:25:24.560 Why is that? What's going on here?

00:25:27.600 You know, the wild thing is that Haiti is this incredible little science experiment. 1.00

00:25:32.920 It's this incredible microcosm that we can kind of see all the dynamics play out. 0.95

00:25:37.020 And you're exactly right to say that Haiti was founded on a satanic blood ritual. 1.00

00:25:41.460 People will laugh at that, but that is historically just accurate. 1.00

00:25:44.340 That is exactly what happened. And of course it exists on an island, Hispaniola, along with the

00:25:50.160 Dominican Republic. Now the Dominican Republic has its problems, but it is nowhere near as bad

00:25:55.520 as Haiti. In fact, they literally will just shoot anyone from Haiti who tries to get into the 0.90

00:26:00.100 Dominican Republic because they know how dangerous it is to have that population bleed over into 1.00

00:26:05.240 their country. So it's not that Haiti is on some island that just can't have a decent country. We

00:26:09.920 already know that one could exist there it is literally this spiritual successor to the satanic

00:26:16.740 blood ritual that honestly seems cursed in every way shape or form and yet as you say for some

00:26:22.460 reason it's america's job to make things right why never is it this explained well it's not a

00:26:28.840 legacy of colonialism we never occupied haiti we don't own haiti we never extracted wealth from

00:26:34.440 haiti all of the classic arguments fall short but it doesn't matter because for some reason 0.86

00:26:38.620 White people are always to blame, even when they were murdered. 0.91

00:26:42.560 Right. No, I was going to say, we never extracted resources. 0.99

00:26:45.340 However, the Clinton Foundation, there may be some questions there.

00:26:50.080 Oren McIntyre, where can people follow you, brother?

00:26:52.620 I'm on The Blaze, of course, the Oren McIntyre show.

00:26:55.820 We have the show on YouTube and on Rumble.

00:26:57.900 And, of course, you can follow me on Twitter, at Oren McIntyre.

00:27:02.500 All right. Thank you so much. Give him a follow, folks.

00:27:04.700 The hearing is back live.

00:27:06.960 I want to take you live to that now.

00:27:11.460 So this is one of those things where you're ready when you have to be ready, right?

00:27:17.840 Based off of my calendar and what I believe I need personally, well, we need the DNA.

00:27:27.560 Well, let's focus only on what's before you now.

00:27:32.740 I would say I need at least four months to finish processing what I have based off of my calendar, my trial calendar.

00:27:42.540 All right. Thank you.

00:27:44.420 Thank you.

00:27:47.420 Good afternoon, Your Honor. Kathy Nestor on behalf of Mr. Robinson.

00:27:51.680 I don't know if you recall, it's been a long time, but when we were first setting this prelim,

00:27:56.860 I mentioned to the court that for the months of February and March, I would not be available.

00:28:01.660 I was involved in a murder trial in Summit County, and so for the entire month of February and March, I was not able to work on this case.

00:28:11.720 The trial ended, I think, March 17th or 18th.

00:28:14.980 Then I got sick for like 10 days.

00:28:17.720 So I have not been able to turn back to Mr. Robinson's case until the beginning of this month.

00:28:24.000 In the time that I was in trial, we've had seven disclosures from the state.

00:28:29.860 Many of those disclosures involve thousands and thousands of pages.

00:28:34.220 One of the biggest disclosures we got was on March 5th while I was in trial,

00:28:39.640 and it consisted of the entire FBI file, which was massive.

00:28:45.440 That's what I've been focusing on the last two weeks, reading it as fast as my eyes can read it,

00:28:50.060 because a lot of the reports, I think, that are going to come out through the FBI

00:28:54.620 originated through interviews with the FBI.

00:28:57.760 so I've been trying to get my hat around that file

00:29:00.700 and that's just one portion of one of the seven disclosures

00:29:05.960 and there were thousands of pages

00:29:07.580 and I think I've made it through the FBI file now

00:29:10.940 but I haven't even touched any of the rest of it

00:29:12.980 and as lead counsel I do expect to have

00:29:15.800 at least a portion of the witnesses at the prelim

00:29:19.120 I share Ms. Visser's concern about

00:29:22.860 even though there's only 35 exhibits they're going to introduce

00:29:26.680 That doesn't limit the testimony that's coming in.

00:29:29.960 And I feel like if I'm going to do a job, a good job, that I need to be able to be familiar with everything that officer has touched

00:29:38.160 and really what the SBI has done generally.

00:29:42.160 We went to examine physical evidence this past week, this week.

00:29:48.020 It took us six hours.

00:29:50.340 We did finish what the SBI has.

00:29:54.260 However, we still have never seen the gun.

00:29:56.740 The gun is at Quantico, so we've never been able to look at the gun.

00:30:01.400 I actually think that's really important for purposes of the hearing, so I have some concerns about that.

00:30:09.140 I also have not been able to get into my client's phone.

00:30:13.240 The electronics that we have required an expert to, because they're so massive,

00:30:20.900 We had to all get these huge hard drives shipped to us from our digital expert.

00:30:25.460 I have not looked at my client's phone, and that concerns me, especially because the state's indicated they may call individuals uniquely connected to my client.

00:30:36.720 I'm not going to say who because I don't want to commit you guys if you call them or not.

00:30:40.500 But we've been given the names of some witnesses they may call, and what is on my client's phone I think is going to be really important.

00:30:46.720 She's talking about the family members of Tyler Robinson.

00:30:50.140 I will tell you, I handle quite a few murder cases in the state.

00:30:56.620 I think my last murder case that we had a prelim, we continued it, I think, three times, and there was two terabytes.

00:31:06.000 This case has over 200 terabytes.

00:31:08.740 So I think in the scheme of preliminary hearings and timing, this is not unusual or out of the ordinary for our homicide case in the state,

00:31:18.800 especially one this complex. So personally asking for a little more time setting the DNA

00:31:26.480 completely aside even if the court even if they get up and say forget it we're not going to

00:31:31.500 introduce the DNA even if you say I'm not going to listen to the DNA the rest of it is still

00:31:35.960 significant. I also have some concerns that they you know we do have a notice of intent to seek

00:31:43.980 death with an aggravator. So I assume we're going to go forward with that at the prelim. No one's

00:31:49.600 discussed that. If that happens, that does require really careful review of the scene itself,

00:31:57.640 which I don't know that we're there yet, but we're close. I mean, we definitely have looked at

00:32:01.780 so many videos. I think I've memorized the face of everybody in the crowd. But if we're going to go

00:32:07.440 forward and the court has to make a decision, if you're binding over on whether or not it's

00:32:11.300 capital, whether or not there's an aggravator, that's a whole other section we have to get

00:32:15.120 into. So for all the same reasons, I would ask for four months

00:32:19.300 at least. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Ms. Nestor. Mr. Burtz.

00:32:23.240 Yes. I've had

00:32:26.960 two primary assignments in the case. One is dealing with

00:32:30.400 media litigation, which has taken substantial

00:32:34.740 amounts of my time. And I'm

00:32:39.240 responsible for putting the hearing on today and working with the experts and so

00:32:44.200 a lot of my time has been devoted to those kinds of preparation issues in addition i've been

00:32:49.560 assigned the task of dealing with all forensic issues at the preliminary hearing and those

00:32:56.200 efforts so far have involved me sorting the discovery as it comes in because it's not come in

00:33:04.120 in discrete packages discovery dump one might have some dna discovery in it and the next time

00:33:12.520 we get something on dna is in discovery package number four so part of my process has been going

00:33:19.960 through everything as it comes in to sort of sort and get organized the various areas of discovery

00:33:26.920 and so far we have information coming in on the following areas, autopsy, experts, canine deployment,

00:33:38.120 crime scene photographs, DNA, fingerprints, firearms, footwear, laboratory intelligence unit

00:33:46.200 discovery, question documents, state forensics, and trace evidence.

00:33:51.480 So I have set up files for each of those areas. I'm uploading and organizing and reviewing discovery as it comes in in each of those areas. We are retaining experts at the point in time when we feel we have enough information so that we're not paying experts to have to duplicate or do discovery review in batches.

00:34:14.220 We're taking on the burden of getting it organized so that we're not spending a lot of expert resources on reviewing discovery.

00:34:22.560 So we have retained the DNA experts, and we're stuck on that issue, as you've already heard.

00:34:31.760 We've retained a firearm expert who is awaiting the case files from the ATF.

00:34:39.700 We just got in the second to last discovery batch the autopsy photographs that were produced in September.

00:34:49.540 I think we got those just in March of this year.

00:34:53.100 So those are being reviewed and organized so that we can hire a forensic pathologist

00:34:59.360 who will review the autopsy report and prepare us to do whatever cross-examination we need to do on that report.

00:35:06.040 But we have not yet retained that expert.

00:35:08.380 So that's kind of an overview and happy to answer any questions.

00:35:12.840 I don't feel, given the state of discovery and the complexity of some of these forensic areas,

00:35:19.340 that I'm in a position to render effective assistance.

00:35:23.260 The expert, the DNA expert, estimated six months.

00:35:27.440 I think if we got the minimal two categories of information that I outlined for the court,

00:35:32.860 that we could expedite that down to approximately four months

00:35:37.420 so that they'd be prepared in that time period.

00:35:40.620 Thank you, Mr. Burt.

00:35:41.900 Thank you.

00:35:43.400 Mr. Novak.

00:35:46.080 I've already been told I use too much of the court's time,

00:35:49.000 but I think I can supplement.

00:35:51.420 No, I appreciate all the efforts of every party,

00:35:54.800 and I know it's important, and so that time is necessary and needed,

00:35:59.360 so I appreciate hearing from you.

00:36:00.740 I'm not going to represent that I'm responsible for all of the motions and pleadings that have been filed,

00:36:12.500 but I've really devoted my time to writing.

00:36:17.340 And obviously the court has held many substantive hearings on issues so far.

00:36:21.680 Obviously everything that we write is a collaboration,

00:36:23.860 but I think that the vast majority of the time that I've devoted to this case has been the legal writing

00:36:31.840 and, frankly, coordinating the mitigation investigation, which I'm not going to talk about beyond saying

00:36:40.440 I speak almost daily with the people involved in our mitigation investigation, reviewing mitigation materials.

00:36:50.280 That's where I'm focused.

00:36:51.420 and obviously that's not part of the prelim um so if we were shifting to

00:37:00.060 um fulsome preparation for the preliminary hearing um over say the next 30 days i would have to

00:37:07.220 basically um put aside all the writing that needs to be done and direction of the mitigation

00:37:15.140 investigation um and figure out where with my colleagues they need me to fill in so that we are

00:37:23.620 all um constitutionally effective um when it comes to the preliminary hearing and so if as it relates

00:37:31.780 to what you are maybe assigned to as it relates to the preliminary hearing how much time would you

00:37:38.020 need i think the estimate of my colleagues um of four months is is appropriate and i also think

00:37:44.740 think that what we are all saying is whatever time our DNA experts need once

00:37:52.000 they see the data that mr. Burke so eloquently explained to your honor we

00:37:57.320 don't have that's really going to be the controlling time period we're not in

00:38:02.500 other words we're not going to say oh the the our DNA experts are ready but

00:38:06.300 counsel or not because I think that six-month estimate by our expert which

00:38:11.700 was provided in a declaration is going to be the outer limit but that's going to

00:38:16.680 be from when they actually get the data and as Mr. Burt said there may be a

00:38:21.180 refinement of that once they see the the data that's available to them I mean

00:38:26.100 that was sort of a you know a best assessment based on past experience not

00:38:31.500 based on what the data in this case presents in terms of the challenges for

00:38:37.080 analysis. Thank you, Mr. Nubak. Thank you. All right. Anything just turning to the state,

00:38:43.660 any benefit of the record that's needed? I would just add, you know, I haven't seen everything in

00:38:51.500 the file either. That doesn't stop me from being prepared. This is a massive file.

00:38:57.660 Probably, I don't know, 70, 80 percent of the file is running down leads that did not lead to any

00:39:04.180 fruitful evidence and so a lot of what this is is categorizing evidence and the core evidence

00:39:10.340 that's required the preliminary hearing has been has been provided has been provided for a long

00:39:14.080 time with the intent that I could help the defense and this is exactly what I said in my letter that

00:39:19.800 I wrote to them with the witness and exhibit list I provided very explicitly the witnesses we would

00:39:26.660 call the Bates numbers of the reports that talked about the witnesses that we would call including

00:39:31.120 the base numbers of the reports of the witnesses we would use

00:39:34.060 1102 statements for. I included

00:39:36.840 all the exhibits, the base numbers for those exhibits, the dates on which

00:39:40.040 those exhibits were provided for the defense. I see no reason

00:39:42.860 why the defense can't review that material. We could probably review

00:39:45.920 it in an hour or two with them and

00:39:48.140 they could sit down, look at those exhibits, look at those reports

00:39:50.920 and be prepared for the preliminary hearing, Your Honor.

00:39:53.680 Thank you. Alright, thank you to all parties. I appreciate

00:39:56.880 that guidance. I made note of it

00:39:59.420 As indicated before, we will take another brief recess.

00:40:03.940 We just need to get technology set up to ensure that it's seamless as you're making your presentations,

00:40:10.160 and so we'll come back at 1 o'clock hour.

00:40:14.500 Council also uses time to prepare, so when we start at 1, we're ready to jump in.

00:40:19.380 We'll start with defense, and that way we can be efficient with our time.

00:40:22.980 Thank you.

00:40:23.640 The court is now in recess.

00:40:24.500 All right.

00:40:29.420 okay so that was the end of the first part of the hearing regarding uh the delay asking for

00:40:37.140 delay they're originally going for six months i think now they push that down to four months

00:40:43.520 and they're not going to be in another recess as they prepare some of the technology for the next

00:40:50.280 part of the hearing which is going to be relating to media access that is camera access to the

00:40:56.840 courtroom. And I remember, just to reiterate, and I know I've said this before, but it bears

00:41:01.120 repeating. This is about transparency in the Charlie Kirk trial. Tyler Robinson's team does

00:41:09.700 not want transparency. They do not want cameras. They do not want broadcasting. They do not want

00:41:15.100 the world to see their client. They do not want the world to see this case. You believe your client

00:41:20.600 was innocent, why wouldn't you want that transparency? It's really as simple as that.

00:41:26.080 Well, and as amazing as it is, you know, we're sitting here covering live in real time the

00:41:33.220 preliminary hearings, pre-preliminary hearings, in the murder trial of Charlie Kirk,

00:41:39.040 the founder of Turning Point USA. Yet Turning Point USA's mission continues. And in fact,

00:41:45.180 it even continues today in Arizona, where Charlie lived. And there is a huge event tonight coming up

00:41:53.660 just in a couple of hours. And of course, we're going to cover it live on Real America's Voice.

00:41:58.280 It's Build the Red Wall. Andy Biggs is running for governor of Arizona, possibly the next governor

00:42:03.780 of Arizona will be there, as well as keynote speech by President Donald J. Trump. That's

00:42:11.400 turning point usa and turning point action event that's going to be a dream city church

00:42:15.560 place where charlie spoke many many times and our own brian glenn is there on the scene brian

00:42:21.900 how are you hey jack good afternoon good afternoon to tell me you know what's the event shaping

00:42:29.020 up like how's the crowd look how are the people what's it give us the vibe put us in the room

00:42:35.240 This is our, we're at Dream City Church.

00:42:37.360 This is a venue that we have frequented a lot of GOP, Arizona Republican campaign,

00:42:44.440 even some faith conferences as well.

00:42:46.640 In terms of the crowd, massive turnout today here at Dream City Church for Bill the Red Wall.

00:42:53.680 This is very much a political event, even though I'm sure it has a nice kind of a faith element to it.

00:43:01.120 Now, talk about transparency.

00:43:02.900 you just spoke of in that trial and i 100 agree with you we also need transparency in our elections

00:43:08.100 and you know jack every time i come to arizona it reminds me of what happened in 2020 the stone

00:43:14.580 election all the discrepancies in the election then i fast forward to the midterms and what

00:43:19.780 happened there with the gubernatorial race between katie hobbs and kerry lake some of the discrepancies

00:43:24.740 there then i fast forward to 2024 when we did see a big turnout here in arizona and president trump

00:43:30.980 won not by much but did win uh this state so now our eyes are on the midterms and on 2028

00:43:37.620 and their efforts to get the republican vote the young conservative vote out here in arizona

00:43:43.060 andy biggs as you spoke of congressman andy biggs from this state uh running for governor and

00:43:47.860 presumptively would be the republican nominee but that's still to be decided uh then of course

00:43:52.420 you've got some other down ballot races as well we've got some empty congressional seats here

00:43:56.820 uh in in arizona that people are trying to fill j uh feely ex nfl player is in one of them there's

00:44:03.300 some other great candidates as well so i all eyes jack are on the great state of arizona

00:44:10.900 and that's right former uh former philadelphia eagle by the way aj feely

00:44:15.140 there by the way i figured you'd know that fly eagles fly right do i know that please

00:44:20.660 no i think i think we drafted him i have to go check but i want to say i think we think we got

00:44:28.300 him out of the draft um rather than trade but brian that's that's incredible what time is it

00:44:32.220 expected to kick off okay we have a little bit of pre-show action takes place at around 12 o'clock

00:44:38.980 local time here so not too far from where we're sitting right now president trump's scheduled to

00:44:43.360 speak at 2 p.m local time that'd be 5 p.m uh east coast time so i obviously have all that

00:44:48.980 Andy Biggs and a couple Erica Perks scheduled to speak as well.

00:44:51.820 So we've got a great list of speakers.

00:44:53.640 Of course, President Trump capping it off at 2 p.m., Jack.

00:44:57.640 Incredible.

00:44:58.280 So, of course, we will provide that coverage here on Real America's Voice.

00:45:02.180 We'll go back to Brian as the event continues.

00:45:04.800 Thanks so much, man.

00:45:06.920 Thank you, Jack.

00:45:07.760 Appreciate it.

00:45:09.200 Thank you.

00:45:09.900 All right.

00:45:10.200 Now, guys, I want to say producer Russ, believe he's on standby.

00:45:16.380 Russ, you there, man?

00:45:18.260 Yes, sir.

00:45:18.860 i'm here oh there he is what's up man wow excellent lighting i gotta say thank you thank

00:45:24.720 you thank you i worked on it all last night he really did folks he's not even joking um i'm not

00:45:31.700 just gotta get you just gotta get you in um you know on uh you know on this tyler robinson you

00:45:38.620 know kind of i know you were watching you know from behind the scenes as well but you know this

00:45:43.420 these delay tactics i mean to my mind it seems like they're treading water there um but you know

00:45:49.820 throw it to you you know what's your take having watched this as well i mean yeah they're definitely

00:45:55.500 treading water i'm sorry moving my mic um they're definitely treading water and it's it it honestly

00:46:01.160 what it kind of came down to for me is just like aren't these guys lawyers like isn't this literally

00:46:08.060 their job like all we were listening to there like for the last couple minutes was was them

00:46:13.720 just complaining about their workload and it's like didn't we uh didn't we go to how many years

00:46:22.060 of schooling to do to do the lawyer the lawyer thing it was like the dog ate my homework it was

00:46:27.400 like the dog ate my homework and why i can't you know oh my gosh i was i was so busy and by the way

00:46:33.220 We've talked about that other high profile trial, right, that Kathy and Esther took.

00:46:38.060 And she's, by the way, no one's forcing her to take these trials.

00:46:41.140 She's the one who's choosing these high profile trials as, you know, working with the public defender's office. 0.89

00:46:47.120 So that was the Moscow mule mother who killed her husband. 0.79

00:46:51.880 She lost that trial, by the way, that she's referring to up in Summit County in Utah, which is another very high profile trial. 0.98

00:46:59.620 And we covered that in full where Kathy, which, by the way, she talked about having to prepare for that case, but she didn't even put up a defense in that case.

00:47:08.220 There was no defense in brief. There was no defense witnesses. There was none of that.

00:47:14.560 She just argued about the evidence. She argued and cross-examined witnesses and eventually didn't put up her own defense side of the case.

00:47:21.740 And she, I believe, three hours was all it took for the jury in that case to come back and find her client guilty in that case.

00:47:32.940 And yet she's claiming that, oh, I couldn't possibly work on this case because I was so busy with that other case phoning it in there, too.

00:47:39.840 I mean, I think this is literally going to be the exact same thing.

00:47:42.580 I think they're going to try they're going to try to push it as much as possible and then she's going to just they're just going to you know lay out show their belly because this needs to be this needs to be on air this trial needs to be on air this trial needs to happen ASAP because everybody Charlie deserves justice Erica deserves justice everybody deserves justice.

00:48:09.780 yeah i mean and there's no question about that there's no question and look like here's the

00:48:16.140 thing with the atf report that came out this week and i know we talked about last night on thought

00:48:20.740 crime but i'll just reiterate because people keep asking me about it and then daily mail put up their

00:48:24.860 report and then tmz even weighed in as well so everyone just coming out saying hey the report

00:48:30.220 says what it says and now we have the full piece and it says that we couldn't so and this is what

00:48:35.880 the Daily Mail's original headline got so bad. They said they couldn't tie it to that exact gun.

00:48:42.200 But if you read the full report, it says, well, we can we can tie it and match it to that class

00:48:48.560 of guns, that class of rifle, given that it's 30 caliber. So for them to say there's no match,

00:48:55.080 that's just not true. It does match. It's just that there's a it matches the class. It was too

00:48:59.620 small. The fragments were too small to be able to match it specifically to that one rifle. It's

00:49:05.440 like saying, okay, we have a fingerprint that's a partial, but we can't, you, we can't say it's

00:49:09.760 Tyler Robinson, but we can say that it's a 22 year old white male, right? Like, like that's a class

00:49:15.020 that's a descriptor, but it's not exact. And so there's a lot of people. And I think that, I think

00:49:21.700 that the, there's people who, you know, have a lot of egg on their face from having, you know,

00:49:26.060 said, oh, there's no match. There's no match. Well, actually it does match as it turns out.

00:49:29.200 It actually does match, does match that class. It does match the situation. They're pushing for

00:49:34.160 delay after delay. And the fact of the matter is the report says what it says. And, you know,

00:49:41.040 we, we get to look at that and say, okay, you know, this is information that's been out there,

00:49:45.740 or at least that's been known since September, but it's at least finally starting to come out

00:49:50.080 into the public consciousness. And when, when you look at that report, this, this is all coming out,

00:49:57.200 you know, shortly here because the hearing is scheduled, at least as far as we know,

00:50:02.000 scheduled for next month but who knows because we could see but but you know russ i'll just

00:50:07.500 i'll throw it to you you know you watch this just as i did did it seem like did it seem to you like

00:50:12.840 the judge was buying it did did it seem like he was picking up what they were putting down

00:50:16.620 no i i honestly think he's just tired of of it it looked like he was just tired of listening to

00:50:23.340 these people complain and was just like uh in the same the same way i think he just he his reaction

00:50:31.660 is very much the same as us as the audience like what like what do you mean so yeah that's kind of

00:50:38.640 what i'm that's that he didn't look like he was buying it at all and there were so many times

00:50:43.360 where he was asking him a direct question they wouldn't give him a direct answer why do you need

00:50:46.880 this much time why do you need this much time because remember we're not even talking about

00:50:51.200 the actual trial here this is a preliminary hearing this is just probable cause that's all

00:50:57.540 we're establishing this isn't a trial there isn't a jury there isn't and none of these things none

00:51:02.400 of these things are coming out it's just the hearing to present the evidence they're saying

00:51:07.120 we haven't got the evidence yet well okay fine but let's present it so that it's presented to

00:51:11.680 public it's presented in court we could get past that phase and then move to the phase where we're

00:51:17.940 giving all the files all the data etc and and none of us are none of us are saying that we don't want

00:51:24.740 a fair trial. In fact, I was even thinking about this this morning, right? That if that ATF report

00:51:30.240 came back and said, okay, the autopsy found a 22, you know, or a nine millimeter bullet fragment or

00:51:37.520 something, that would be, right, evidence of not matching. But that's not what it found. That's

00:51:43.940 not what came out. It was 30 caliber, right? We said we can tell it was some sort of 30 caliber.

00:51:48.560 Wasn't 22, wasn't nine millimeter, wasn't 5.56, wasn't something else. It was 30 caliber,

00:51:52.960 right and so you can't sit there with you know intellectual honesty and say that you you know

00:51:58.560 that oh there's no match well there is a match just a match to the class it's it's a general

00:52:02.360 match uh russ by the way you know just we have one minute left we'll let people know that russ

00:52:08.180 is uh in a bit of a transition phase uh though thankfully not gender even though he does have

00:52:13.820 the trans flag behind him uh in terms of his lighting blue and orange it's blue and orange

00:52:18.320 i swear yeah no it's definitely pink on my end um but that's okay no i support you i support you

00:52:23.520 you know because i'm cool like that you know let us know your new pronouns and um but russ is no is

00:52:29.280 moving to a different phase with um you know different role with the uh with the organization

00:52:35.040 so it's still going to be in the mix not working on the daily show but still going to be in the

00:52:39.760 mix so russ just wanted to say congratulations and thank you five incredible years working day

00:52:45.520 in day out human events daily yes sir yes sir appreciate you jack travel travel where do we go

00:52:50.720 man we go rome travel utah traveled uh just la over la uh super bowl we did the halftime show we

00:53:00.240 did quite a bit quite a bit but russ is still going to be in the mix so ladies and gentlemen

00:53:04.800 As always, you have our permission to lay ashore.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - April 17, 2026

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