Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - Unpacking the Mind of Tyler Robinson

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00:00:51.880 Christ is king.

00:00:53.400 DHS says Mexican drug cartels are now offering cash to target ICE officers and other federal agents.

00:01:00.000 $5,000 to $10,000 for kidnapping or assaults on officers.

00:01:04.520 And up to $50,000 for the assassination of high-ranking officials.

00:01:08.660 President Trump considering U.S. strikes on Venezuelan soil to combat drug cartels.

00:01:14.360 Well, I don't want to tell you exactly, but we are certainly looking at land now because we've got the sea very well under control.

00:01:19.900 The president also escalating U.S. operations against Venezuela's authoritarian leader, Nicolás Maduro.

00:01:26.860 Trump confirming he's authorized covert CIA action in the country.

00:01:31.240 But when asked if the agency has the authority to take out Maduro, Trump noncommittal.

00:01:36.420 But I think Venezuela's feeling heat.

00:01:38.200 In a statement overnight, Venezuela accusing Trump of trying to legitimize a regime change operation to access the country's oil resources,

00:01:46.720 saying they would bring up the matter at the U.N. Security Council today.

00:01:50.360 I'm going to be strongly recommending, at the request of government officials, which is always nice, that you start looking at San Francisco.

00:01:58.920 I think we can make San Francisco as one of our great cities 10 years ago, 15 years ago, and now it's a mess.

00:02:06.000 Mark Bray was denounced by the president of Dartmouth University because of his embrace of violence all the way back in 2017.

00:02:15.060 He said if you label someone a white supremacist, if you label someone a fascist, then he endorses violence against them. 0.89

00:02:21.640 The same way that our leader, Charlie Kirk, was branded a fascist and included the casing of one of the bullets that said, hey, fascist catch.

00:02:30.860 So, Mark Bray, have you disavowed the violence against Charlie Kirk, our former CEO or late CEO?

00:02:37.000 Have you disavowed the violence that you have endorsed against our own students like these two incredible female students there at Rutgers who, by the way, they're being harassed?

00:02:47.480 They're now being dots. And I would just say this to Rutgers. I spoke with Turning Point Headquarters earlier tonight.

00:02:53.360 We stand by our chapter. We will defend our chapter. And if the university wants to make an issue of it, they can find out how good our lawyers are.

00:03:02.380 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.

00:03:06.660 We're here live in Washington, D.C.

00:03:09.060 Real America's voice today is October 16th, 2025.

00:03:12.940 Anno Domini.

00:03:14.020 Well, folks, you just saw the news there. Dr. Antifa has fled the country for Spain, claiming that TPUSA is harassing him, attacking him, doxing him.

00:03:29.560 No, no, that's not what's going on at all.

00:03:32.060 Up at Rutgers University in New Jersey, where 19 days from now, there's going to be a major election, as well as elections in New York.

00:03:40.080 Mandami's got the debate tonight. And then, of course, 19 days, the election in New Jersey, where Jay Jones has called for Republican children to be murdered.

00:03:48.920 And nobody seems to be able to disavow him on the Democrat side.

00:03:53.480 Well, what do we see up in Rutgers?

00:03:56.160 They're now investigating the Turning Point USA chapter.

00:04:00.380 They put our students under investigation, claiming that they are the ones who have caused all these problems.

00:04:07.760 And suddenly there's issues with the paperwork.

00:04:10.020 Well, Rutgers, Turning Point USA will defend the chapters, will defend the students and will defend the right for freedom of speech against people like Dr.

00:04:21.440 Antifa, who support violence against people like Dr. Antifa, who say that violence against, quote unquote, fascists and white supremacists that he gets to identify is justified.

00:04:34.500 We also saw the breaking news just moments ago, President Trump ending this call with Vladimir Putin of Russia, stating unequivocally that they will now be able to be working towards an end to the Ukraine war.

00:04:50.060 There's going to be a series of meetings tomorrow.

00:04:53.780 It all begins here in Washington, D.C.

00:04:56.020 President Trump will meet with Zelensky at the White House and then at a point still yet to be determined, President Trump will fly to Budapest to meet with Vladimir Putin directly.

00:05:09.040 This is very significant because Vladimir Putin has not traveled to the EU since the beginning of the Ukraine war.

00:05:17.500 This is a situation that obviously is ongoing.

00:05:21.060 President Trump, of course, has been working towards peace deals around the entire world.

00:05:25.520 And he's going for the trifecta, folks.

00:05:27.040 He's absolutely going for the trifecta because he already had the peace deal in the Middle East, the peace deal between Hamas, Israel.

00:05:35.600 Now he's going for the peace deal in Ukraine.

00:05:38.380 This is an incredible situation.

00:05:40.000 Of course, it's fluid.

00:05:40.980 We will do, as you know, everything possible to be able to cover that story, to be able to cover it hopefully live from Budapest one way or another, the same way that we went up to Anchorage for the historic meeting.

00:05:54.940 First time that we human events researchers dug in as far back as we could in the archives.

00:06:01.500 We don't believe a Russian leader had ever traveled to Alaska before, even back when it was Russian territory.

00:06:07.520 We went back that far.

00:06:09.520 This was historic.

00:06:10.300 Look, President Trump's work is to put his money where his mouth is.

00:06:15.520 World history is on the table.

00:06:17.780 All history is on the table.

00:06:20.560 And world peace is the prize.

00:06:22.840 And so, no, the folks over in Nobel, the psychologists out there, no, they're not going to be giving President Trump the Nobel Peace Prize this time because they never could.

00:06:33.560 They never could admit that it wasn't one of their profound neoliberal globalist Marxists who brought the world peace.

00:06:44.140 No, in fact, he was a billionaire from New York City, and yeah, he's a little crass sometimes.

00:06:51.240 And yeah, he's a little politically incorrect sometimes.

00:06:55.040 But you know something?

00:06:56.040 He gets the job done.

00:06:58.540 You had the art of the deal.

00:07:00.120 Now you're going to see the art of the peace deal.

00:07:03.220 And so, folks, we are going to face all of that.

00:07:06.860 This is what we're fighting for, by the way.

00:07:08.460 In the midst of political violence, in the midst of an ecosystem, where to be a conservative is now to have a target on your back one month after the murder of our friend, Charlie Kirk.

00:07:20.180 Right back, Jack Posobiec, Human Events Day.

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00:07:43.760 All right, guys.

00:07:44.620 Jack Posobiec, we are here, Human Events, Daily Back, Washington, D.C.

00:07:50.840 Before we bring in our next guest here, I just wanted to take a quick moment and really let you guys know about, you know, people say, how are you guys?

00:08:02.140 You're going so hard.

00:08:03.060 You're doing so many shows, hours upon hours of shows, traveling still all across the country, doing what we can to continue the work of Charlie Kirk.

00:08:14.500 I don't even like to say carry the torch or the baton, but just making sure that Turning Point and the Turning Point legacy will continue forever.

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00:09:47.020 And I just want to say, for the record, that the coffee that Andrew spilled earlier today when he was co-hosting the Charlie Kirk Show was not blackout coffee.

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00:10:00.880 Folks, I'm very excited to bring on our next guest.

00:10:04.920 You may know him.

00:10:05.640 He's been out there quite a bit.

00:10:06.840 It's his first time here, inaugural debut on Human Events Daily.

00:10:11.260 His name is Dr. Joseph.

00:10:13.040 Dr. Joseph with Doring, but most people just know him as Dr. Joseph.

00:10:16.400 Doctor, thank you so much for joining us today.

00:10:19.080 Thanks for having me, Jack.

00:10:20.160 It's great to be here with you.

00:10:21.460 Well, you are the medical director of Taper Clinic.

00:10:24.540 Tell folks a little bit about yourself and what brought you to public advocacy.

00:10:28.660 Sure.

00:10:30.720 So I'm a traditionally trained psychiatrist and I entered the psychiatric system and quickly realized that we were practicing a kind of turnstile type medicine where you would, you know, check in with a doctor for five to ten minutes and they would prescribe you a medication.

00:10:47.160 And that's not what I signed up to do.

00:10:49.300 You know, I really wanted to help people with the reasons why they were anxious and depressed.

00:10:54.080 And we've completely gotten away from that in psychiatry.

00:10:56.620 However, when I brought that up with my attendings at the time, they said, hey, you know, Joseph, a lot of these concerns, they're overblown.

00:11:05.000 You know, FDA has approved these medications.

00:11:07.120 You know, they're safe and effective.

00:11:08.420 And I just didn't buy it.

00:11:09.780 So I ended up embarking on a career in clinical trial research where I worked for Johnson & Johnson.

00:11:15.320 I then worked at the FDA doing a clinical trial analysis.

00:11:18.900 And I eventually came to the conclusion that I think modern psychiatry in many ways may be one of the biggest frauds going on right now because none of the drugs are studied longer than a year.

00:11:31.200 Doctors don't tell patients this.

00:11:33.540 From the 10 years of doing this, I've seen many cases where they've made people worse.

00:11:37.360 And for some people, coming off them can be incredibly challenging.

00:11:41.680 And so having sort of seen how the sausage was made in the factory, I decided I didn't want to be a part of that.

00:11:47.480 So five years ago, I founded the Taper Clinic.

00:11:50.060 And it's essentially it's a medical practice where we help people come off psychiatric medications that are making them worse.

00:11:56.200 And then we teach them non-drug approaches to manage their mental health.

00:12:00.440 Well, this is really incredible because, you know, we do seem to suffer from a mental health crisis in this country, and many of which has unfortunately led to violence.

00:12:11.880 We see so many active shooters these days that are tied to antidepressants, that are tied to psychiatric medication.

00:12:19.620 And, you know, I've talked about publicly on the show, but I realize you probably don't know that my father and my grandmother actually both worked in a psychiatric hospital for their entire careers before my father retired, about 29 years or so.

00:12:35.160 And, you know, that model of medicine was totally different than what we've seen already, especially for people who need that long-term institutionalization.

00:12:44.040 It's completely been done away with.

00:12:45.840 And now we sort of have them out in the general population where people, you know, doctors seem to just throw a script at somebody and let them back out on the street.

00:12:53.700 And unfortunately, we do see a link between this and violence.

00:12:58.500 Do you think there's a reason that for some reason in society today we don't have more discussion or more public discussion about this link?

00:13:07.480 Yes.

00:13:07.960 So the truth is, Jack, that most psychiatrists and they act more like advocates for the medications rather than really taking a more clinical look at things.

00:13:22.000 And I think, you know, the pharmaceutical industry, I have to say, they control a huge amount of medicine right now.

00:13:30.420 I mean, this is, these are trillion-dollar industries and essentially when you do that, you can promote certain perspectives.

00:13:37.500 You can pick certain doctors within medical institutions and you can let them run the clinical trials.

00:13:42.220 You can help their careers.

00:13:43.780 And what eventually happens is you see at this, like, the upper echelon of the medical education system is you have drug-friendly professors.

00:13:52.100 I mean, how could it be any other way, you know, when there's this influence going on?

00:13:56.800 And because of that, they are very much persuaded by arguments where if you talk about the risks of these medications, you are going to make people commit suicide.

00:14:06.280 And there's a strong parallel with the whole transgender issue because, you know, we all saw after the WPATH files came out that there were some really concerning issues about kids not even being able to give informed consent to taking drugs and doing surgeries that could impact their fertility later on.

00:14:23.420 And that was essentially silenced because they said, well, if you say these things, you know, we're going to lose ground, it's going to make people second-guess and it's going to lead to more suicides.

00:14:33.020 These positions, they often come from, you know, they're masquerading as compassion, to be honest.

00:14:38.340 They're saying, well, we don't want to tell people the truth or the concerns about these issues because it's going to lead to harm.

00:14:44.320 But that's not really compassion.

00:14:45.800 They usually have a political agenda, and that's why the American public haven't really been told the truth and the facts about the roles that these drugs, psychiatric ones, can have in violence.

00:15:00.240 They certainly can.

00:15:02.060 And so, you know, I'd be remiss if I didn't say this, but I just wanted to dive right in that, you know, here I am.

00:15:08.260 I find myself in this situation where one of my close personal friends, someone who up until one month ago was an incredibly well-known public figure, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated and was killed by someone who now, as far as we know, was not a transgender individual himself, but apparently was in a relationship with a transgender boyfriend.

00:15:36.600 This alleged assassin murderer, Tyler Robinson found himself at the top of a school building, hours away from where he lived, and he had been this very exceptional student prior to this, yet somehow drops out of a full ride to Utah State, gets involved in a very strange, odd relationship with a transgender individual, and then goes and, you know, there's all this evidence linking him now to the murder of my friend.

00:16:06.600 And I just wonder, how do you begin to unpack the mind of someone who would do such a thing for seemingly such a strange motive?

00:16:16.060 So I think, you know, based off the text messages that were sent, this was coming, this had a romantic aspect to it.

00:16:27.440 I believe that Tyler felt that his partner was being threatened by the things that Charlie Kirk was saying.

00:16:33.140 And the truth is that, you know, in today's world, we can very easily fall into echo chambers, which really radicalize us.

00:16:41.540 And the main messaging happening in a lot of these echo chambers is that, you know, Charlie Kirk is a fascist.

00:16:47.880 His words, they're not just words, they're dangerous, and they're leading to people dying.

00:16:51.800 And so when you look at it in that way, and then also just these broader things happening in society, I mean, the transgender agenda really is decreasing.

00:17:03.840 It is less and less popular every day, especially since the WPATH files, and there's not a whole group of people sort of cheering this on now.

00:17:11.380 These individuals are becoming, I think a lot of them are starting to feel very isolated and out of place and threatened.

00:17:18.940 And so if you feel like your partner is very threatened, and you're bought into this idea that words are violence and they're leading to people dying, you might go and do something very drastic, such as assassinate essentially someone who did not deserve it.

00:17:34.060 Because in some way, in some fantasy in your mind, you think this makes you a hero and you're saving people.

00:17:39.240 So in his mind, it's not necessarily just the anger at Charlie Kirk or, you know, by itself.

00:17:46.720 It's also the sense of defense, defense of others, defense of his lover in this case, that in order to defend my lover, I must, you know, position this person who is somehow threatening to him.

00:18:03.760 And I'm trying to walk myself through it and wrap my mind around it in order to protect them, even though I presumably Charlie has never even met this person.

00:18:13.000 And it seems that there's a dissociation here.

00:18:15.660 Isn't that right?

00:18:17.560 Yes.

00:18:17.980 Yeah.

00:18:18.320 I mean, that's what I think has happened.

00:18:21.960 And, you know, the saddest part about this is after Charlie's death, I went and I watched some of the videos where he would actually talk to transgender individuals on college campuses.

00:18:32.120 He said some of the kindest things ever.

00:18:34.380 I mean, he stuck to his guns.

00:18:35.740 But I remember one thing he said to an individual who was talking about their difficulty with their gender identity.

00:18:42.260 He said, you know, I just hope that one day you can love the body that you were given.

00:18:47.800 And it was very well received by the person.

00:18:49.980 I could see it.

00:18:51.300 And there was just a gentleness about him.

00:18:53.580 Charlie didn't hate the transgender community.

00:18:56.320 Charlie, I mean, he talked.

00:18:57.900 I mean, he said what he believed about it.

00:19:00.680 But he was actually very kind.

00:19:02.960 And so, I mean, that's what makes this a huge tragedy is I don't think the other side sees that.

00:19:09.000 What I think they see is a very radicalized, one-sided perspective.

00:19:14.140 And I think that's right.

00:19:15.260 Dr. Joseph, we're coming up on a very quick break.

00:19:18.420 Hold that thought.

00:19:19.140 We'll be right back.

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00:19:25.120 Talk about influencers.

00:19:26.560 These are influencers.

00:19:28.500 And they're friends of mine.

00:19:30.820 Jack Persovic.

00:19:32.300 Where's Jack?

00:19:33.280 Jack.

00:19:34.300 He's done a great job.

00:19:37.520 All right, Jack Persovic.

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00:19:40.320 We're talking about Tyler Robinson, the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk, and these strange pro-trans views and relationship that seems to have been the motive for pulling the trigger and killing Charlie.

00:19:58.520 Dr. Joseph, you were talking before about how it seems as though he was living an isolated existence.

00:20:05.440 And so I wonder if you could juxtapose that with the fact that we keep being told over and over, and I'll find myself in debates and in panels where people will say, well, wait a minute.

00:20:16.140 This guy is from a very conservative, very Republican, LDS, Mormon family, and yet he seems to have been living a sort of dual life where he's going to see the family, but then also becoming estranged by them, and carrying on this relationship with a man who's going through gender transition.

00:20:38.200 Walk us through what's going on in all that.

00:20:40.200 So, when we look at statistics, and this one is relevant, you know, the statistic that I want to share is about social trust.

00:20:51.920 And so if you go back to the 1970s, social trust is at an all-time high in the U.S.

00:20:57.040 It's around 50%.

00:20:58.880 If you ask, do you trust your neighbors, 50% of people say yes.

00:21:02.680 Coming to today, now it's dropped about 20%.

00:21:05.620 And the question is, why?

00:21:07.200 Now, most of the researchers, when they look at this, they actually think it has to do with the rise of cable news and then also social media.

00:21:14.680 And so when you have less news sources now and there's more places to get information, you can get algorithms that just hit you with certain types of content and essentially radicalize you.

00:21:26.460 Very quickly, you can find yourself in a corner of the internet where, you know, everything that Trump says makes him Hitler.

00:21:33.220 Everything that Charlie says makes him a Nazi. 0.96

00:21:35.120 You know, they are responsible for, you know, transgender genocide. 1.00

00:21:40.060 And if you just keep on hearing these messages, essentially you get to a point where you feel justified in harming them. 0.91

00:21:48.160 You feel like this is a good for the world.

00:21:51.280 And I actually think this kind of ideology is why we see an outsized involvement of people with gender dysphoria in school shootings.

00:22:02.100 You know, since 2018, there's been 60, sorry, since 2018, there's been 60 mass shootings and six of the people have had gender dysphoria.

00:22:10.300 Now, for, I mean, I think statistically it's around 1% of the background population has that.

00:22:18.220 And so that's outsized.

00:22:20.620 This is 10% of the people who are involved in these shootings that make up 1% of the population.

00:22:26.720 And so the question that I have to myself is, you know, how much of it is the radicalization and this ideology?

00:22:32.240 And how much of it is also psychiatric medications?

00:22:35.160 And this is kind of what draws me into this, because if you look at the suicide rate in the transgender population, it's very high.

00:22:43.400 So suicide attempts are around 50%.

00:22:45.640 The use of psychiatric medications is up by a factor of around 4%.

00:22:49.380 So this means it's like, you know, it's like 60, 70% of these individuals are not only on psychiatric medications, but maybe on hormone medications, all of which can cause mood instability.

00:23:01.720 And we've also seen multiple cases go through the court system where psychiatric drugs have led to violence as well.

00:23:09.580 And so I think we actually have a dangerous cocktail, you know, a dangerous cocktail of medications that can be destabilizing.

00:23:15.020 And also many people being sucked into a radicalizing ideology.

00:23:21.260 And so they, by the way, you mentioned the transgenocide. 0.75

00:23:25.400 It was this false narrative, this, you know, this hoax.

00:23:30.120 It was just a hoax that I remember the media spreading.

00:23:32.820 This was all last year.

00:23:34.260 They were saying it over and over and over.

00:23:36.920 And yet when you try to actually pick apart the studies, when you tried to actually, you know, just ask questions, what is this?

00:23:43.460 What are you talking about?

00:23:44.900 And they would talk about sex workers who were transgender that were getting into these high-risk situations.

00:23:51.860 I said, well, wait a minute.

00:23:52.620 That has nothing to do with politics.

00:23:55.320 That is, these are high-risk behaviors and high-risk lifestyles that have always carried a higher degree of, unfortunately, a higher degree of lethality, a higher degree of morbidity than we have seen in other, you know, just in traditional lifestyles.

00:24:15.260 And that's simply a sad fact.

00:24:17.220 And so I suppose it's, you know, there's something that someone told me, you know, about the LDS community in Utah and specifically the anti or I should say ex-LDS community, the ex-LDS.

00:24:29.300 And they said something about, you know, there's a lot of people who leave the LDS church and then they run in the opposite direction.

00:24:36.080 And so they believe that because, you know, they have their disagreements with LDS, and which, you know, I don't want to get into, and lots of Mormon friends, including a co-host for ThoughtCrime, who I'll be on with later tonight, Tyler.

00:24:49.400 And yet it's that running in the opposite direction.

00:24:53.540 It's a sort of, I suppose it's a form of rebelliousness, but they take it a bit further, don't they?

00:24:58.640 Yeah.

00:24:59.360 And, yeah, so I, you know, I actually live in Utah, so I know these folks.

00:25:07.280 And you're right, you know, we constantly see individuals who leave the church.

00:25:11.320 They'll go and they'll, you know, they might start swinging or they may engage in drug use.

00:25:15.100 And so this is obviously like a big overgeneralization.

00:25:17.400 The Housewives of Utah is a whole series.

00:25:22.740 Yes. 0.83

00:25:23.300 And so I don't think it's surprising that we've actually seen some of these transgender killers come out of Utah. 1.00

00:25:32.080 So one, Tyler Robinson, was from Washington.

00:25:35.420 This is actually where I used to live in Utah.

00:25:37.800 I was down in St. George.

00:25:40.920 And, again, extremely conservative part of the state.

00:25:43.720 And just I think it was just a year ago, and this is kind of a personal anecdote here, which is may sound a little bit crazy.

00:25:50.340 But Mia Bailey, who was transgender and actually killed both of her parents and nearly killed her brother and his wife, was actually found in my backyard during the manhunt. 0.99

00:26:04.300 And so, again, this is I know this sounds this sounds insane.

00:26:08.960 We woke up one morning and our house was surrounded by SWAT teams and police.

00:26:12.980 And when you look into this story, again, you know, you know, conservative family and then lots of internal problems with within the family, you know, was reported in the media.

00:26:23.660 And I can't help but wonder, was that also something else?

00:26:26.700 You know, when when you grow up in a very conservative part of the country and if that's just not for you and that doesn't fit, that might radicalize you into the opposite direction.

00:26:34.860 Where you do something terrible like, you know, harm your parents or your community if they if they don't align with you and what you believe or someone who you believe is a scapegoat for so many of your your own insecurities and resentment.

00:26:49.720 Dr. Joseph, thank you so much for joining us.

00:26:52.160 We've got to get you on by my producer saying producer positive saying we need this guy on once a week.

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00:26:59.520 Yeah.

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00:27:22.460 Dr. Joseph, thank you so much for joining us.

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00:27:30.740 Jack, I want to see you.

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00:27:35.860 Thank you.

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00:29:06.300 Very excited to bring on our next guest, D Transitioner. 1.00

00:29:10.600 My friend, Chloe Cole, joins us now.

00:29:13.580 Chloe, how are you?

00:29:15.300 I'm doing great.

00:29:16.180 How are you doing?

00:29:16.960 Thanks for having me on.

00:29:17.860 I'm doing well.

00:29:18.260 And there's a couple of stories I wanted to pick your brain about.

00:29:21.160 And we were sort of tossing this around.

00:29:23.220 And I said, oh my gosh, Chloe would be absolutely perfect for this. 0.98

00:29:25.820 Um, so it seems that all of a sudden there's this study that comes out that says, lo and

00:29:32.700 behold, even though we were told that transgenderism was on the rise and it was here to stay, it's 1.00

00:29:37.220 now all of a sudden falling with Gen Z.

00:29:39.640 How did this happen?

00:29:42.100 I think what the study exposes, and it specifically focuses on the non-binary aspect of gender

00:29:48.100 ideology, which is, it refers to people who identify as transgender, but with neither 0.96

00:29:53.740 male nor female.

00:29:54.880 And I think it's out of, out of all the aspects of trans ideology, it's the one that is the

00:30:01.440 most fueled by psychosis, because at least like male to female individuals and female

00:30:05.580 to male individuals identify with the opposite sex, right?

00:30:08.840 But there is no such third sex, um, in, in human beings.

00:30:12.620 And when it shows that in recent years, the rates of non-binary identification in young

00:30:19.980 people have started to rapidly fall down.

00:30:24.180 And it shows that it's, it's fueled by social contagion.

00:30:28.740 And as it starts to fade out of popularity, less and less young people, and it's primarily

00:30:33.100 young women who are falling into it, are, are identifying with it.

00:30:37.040 And I think it's exemplary of the cultural wins that we, that conservatism is, are starting,

00:30:45.720 are starting to have.

00:30:46.820 But unfortunately, what the study, what isn't shown in the study is that the rates of overall

00:30:54.900 trans identification with either male to female individuals or female to male are still steadily

00:31:01.920 rising and we still have a ways to go in the culture when it comes to, uh, to eradicating

00:31:08.140 this from our culture, from our, from our court systems and from our institutions, but we have

00:31:14.200 to take the wins where they're at.

00:31:15.460 Well, and in addition, so is it possible though, that for people that have been so committed

00:31:23.060 to this and who are refusing to, uh, come out of it, or perhaps have gone so far that they

00:31:30.020 can't, um, de-transition as you did.

00:31:32.240 Is it possible then, then this produces a form of, let's say, uh, cognitive dissonance whereby

00:31:41.540 in, they feel as though their place in society is slipping away and therefore it turns them

00:31:47.900 and perhaps people that they are in relationships with towards more and more drastic and extreme

00:31:56.160 measures, which could include say violence.

00:31:59.260 Yes.

00:32:01.720 And I've actually personally seen this, uh, in my journey over the last few years, as we

00:32:06.740 started to have these, these wins in the culture, in our court systems and in, in legislation

00:32:13.240 around this and the protection of children and keeping trans ideology out of our schools 0.92

00:32:18.200 and hospital systems.

00:32:19.400 We've also seen this community of people become increasingly desperate and increasingly violent

00:32:24.200 because they're still, I mean, their lives are still, their minds are still entrenched

00:32:29.740 in the dogma around it.

00:32:30.920 They legitimately believe that there is a genocide being waged against this group of people.

00:32:36.760 And when you're told that the only way that you can be happy is by being somebody who you're

00:32:42.920 not and being beholden to medicine for the rest of your life.

00:32:45.240 And by people taking that away from you, you're having human rights stripped from you.

00:32:48.520 What won't you do in response to that?

00:32:52.000 And so, you know, here we are trying to unpack what happened to, you know, my friend and yours,

00:32:59.060 Charlie Kirk.

00:32:59.940 And we see this individual, Tyler Robinson, who's now he's not, you know, transitioning himself

00:33:07.120 as, as far as we know.

00:33:08.400 Um, but he was involved with, in a relationship with a man who was transitioning, uh, may still

00:33:14.560 be for all we know.

00:33:16.000 Um, and I think they have him on, on ice somewhere.

00:33:19.200 Hopefully he's, uh, the twigs is, or is, uh, cooperating, but this guy comes from a conservative

00:33:28.980 family, LDS family.

00:33:30.660 And yet he finds himself down this rabbit hole of increasingly extreme online behavior

00:33:38.160 and interests, some of which include, and I'm just going to say it, um, uh, adult themed

00:33:44.760 furry pornography, um, video games, interactors and simulators of, about furries, even which

00:33:53.980 included, as I'm told, includes something called the furry equivalent of child porn, which 0.97

00:33:58.580 is cub porn. 0.51

00:34:00.800 I mean, how does someone go from, and, and, and, you know, I know you personally have told

00:34:05.760 your story so many times, but how does someone go from a background like that to ending up

00:34:09.980 in a place where they're mixed with such a toxic environment and ecosystem?

00:34:15.000 I mean, to speak from my own experience.

00:34:18.240 Well, my mom and dad were raised in the faith.

00:34:23.540 And I mean, it sounds like Tyler's family was a lot more faith oriented.

00:34:30.220 And even though my mom and dad did not raise me strictly by Christian ideals, uh, eventually

00:34:36.560 as, as I got older, we still had that, that closeness and those values that were influencing

00:34:44.140 the way that they raised me.

00:34:45.280 And even, I think that even Christian and closely tightly knit families and parents in, in their

00:34:55.820 generation were not really prepared for the degeneracy that was going to spill out on the

00:35:01.280 internet and through our culture.

00:35:03.260 And I don't think there really would have been any way to have predicted that.

00:35:08.540 And so a lot of, a lot of, a lot of parents have been really unequipped to dealing with

00:35:16.140 that and knowing, just understanding what the dangers are on the internet and even just

00:35:20.640 the fact that there are very ideologically psychotic spaces on the internet that at first

00:35:27.720 seem to be innocent spaces based around things that most, most children, most teenagers and

00:35:34.600 young people have an interest in things like video games, they play, um, things like art

00:35:41.200 or, or books they read or musicians they listen to a lot of the communities around these innocent

00:35:46.700 interests in recent years have also become very ideological spaces for ideological indoctrination

00:35:54.640 of young people.

00:35:55.780 And that personally is what happened to me.

00:35:57.880 And people, when people think of the radicalization that happens in left wing spaces online, they

00:36:08.960 often think of transgender people, but what a lot of people don't understand is that transgender

00:36:13.800 ideology is something that radicalizes even people who never become transgender identified

00:36:18.740 because they're being told that there is a, there is a, there is a genocide being waged against

00:36:24.160 trans identified people happening in the United States and that every person has a step in

00:36:30.260 the fight against it and that they should take whatever measures necessary to stop that.

00:36:35.440 And that's why you'll see so many people at LGBT rallies at trans protests who aren't even

00:36:41.960 trans identified, but they're often people who like Tyler are dating somebody who is, or they

00:36:47.160 have children of their own who they are indoctrinated.

00:36:51.160 And so this is, this is so interesting because what you're saying is it, it, it starts, it can

00:36:57.480 be innocuous, it can be totally innocuous, but it's that feeling of community and then feeling

00:37:03.740 that your, uh, community is under threat and that increasing isolation and feeling as though

00:37:13.420 the walls are sort of, of closing in.

00:37:15.520 And I actually, I just asked Chloe, when, when you were going, you know, through your journey,

00:37:19.320 did you feel like that?

00:37:20.400 Did you feel isolated?

00:37:23.280 Um, I definitely did towards the very beginning of my transition.

00:37:27.300 Well, part of it, I think is that I was just in middle school and when you're different

00:37:30.800 in any way, the kids around you, when you're like 12, 13, 14, they're not going to react

00:37:35.800 nicely.

00:37:36.900 But I experienced that even more so as I went through the detransition process.

00:37:42.480 And it's, it's incredibly difficult to go through even more so than initially transitioning

00:37:47.440 because it's like step one of transitioning, except there you're back in reality after

00:37:53.040 living through years of psychosis and there's no off ramp for you with therapy in the medical

00:37:57.820 system.

00:37:58.620 And a lot of even, even your friends, if you're young, might not really even know how to respond

00:38:03.360 to it.

00:38:03.700 Right.

00:38:03.980 They think there's something they celebrated the first part, but they don't celebrate the

00:38:08.800 second part.

00:38:09.300 Chloe, we're up on a hard break.

00:38:10.780 Hold that thought.

00:38:12.060 I want to get back to this.

00:38:13.480 This is very instructive for those of us that are trying to understand.

00:38:17.780 It's trying to understand.

00:38:19.280 Jack was a great back.

00:38:20.380 Human Events Daily.

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00:38:25.840 Jack is a great guy.

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00:38:35.340 And we're going to turn it around and make our country great to get to you.

00:38:38.580 Amen.

00:38:40.780 All right, Jack, we're going to be back.

00:38:42.500 Human Events Daily.

00:38:43.780 Real America's Voice.

00:38:45.020 Final segment.

00:38:45.720 By the way, a little bit of a show announcement programming note.

00:38:49.180 So tonight, the big debate in New York City.

00:38:52.860 We've got Mamdani.

00:38:54.180 We've got Cuomo.

00:38:55.440 We've got Sliwa.

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00:39:06.520 live stream, the Mandaminomics live stream.

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00:41:00.940 All right, we're on with detransitioner Chloe Cole. 0.60

00:41:04.260 And Chloe, you were just, I apologize for the gratuitous capitalism break there that we

00:41:10.400 had to take.

00:41:10.940 But hey, what can I say? 1.00

00:41:12.080 Socialism sucks. 0.99

00:41:13.340 And we had to run some ads. 0.99

00:41:15.160 But the point you were talking about in your story regarding detransitioning, the isolation,

00:41:22.540 the fact that it feels like society is suddenly against you, right, for choosing to walk away

00:41:29.380 from this, you know, I think what everyone can understand is certainly extreme life choices.

00:41:36.580 That also led you to feel isolated, hopefully before, you know, before you met with Turning 0.99

00:41:42.600 Point USA and started coming and speaking at events where we all really appreciate and

00:41:46.380 absolutely love what you've done.

00:41:49.400 Yeah, thank you so much.

00:41:50.920 I mean, Turning Point has been, I mean, working with you guys has been a great part of my healing

00:41:58.200 and just getting my voice out there and exposing this ideology for what it is and the ways that

00:42:03.360 it abuses children and our young people in our culture and directly in our hospital systems.

00:42:10.260 And whereas this community of people and really leftism, radical leftism as a whole, celebrates

00:42:15.960 the destruction of these people as they go further into the transition process, the moment

00:42:20.480 that you realize it was all a lie, it was all a scam, that you regret every single part

00:42:24.400 of it and that you want to go back, they turn their backs on you. 1.00

00:42:27.920 They treat you like you're garbage. 0.98

00:42:29.920 You're ousted from this community of people who essentially used to serve. 0.97

00:42:33.360 As for many, a second family, very, very close friends and people who we were once close

00:42:42.980 with in our lives.

00:42:43.720 And even our doctors turn their backs on us and tell us either that our experiences are

00:42:48.920 insignificant or that we should try to continue transitioning instead and go in the opposite

00:42:56.100 direction.

00:42:57.400 And many of them just don't even know what to do with us because there are no standards

00:43:02.300 of care for those who stop their transition.

00:43:04.460 There are no codes for them to even bill for.

00:43:06.720 So there's just no off ramp for people to stop their transition.

00:43:10.940 And in a lot of the recent detransitioned activism, detransitioners have spoken about the dangers 1.00

00:43:20.920 of transitioning and the pain of not only going through the process, but also of coming out

00:43:25.340 of it and transgender young people see that and they think, well, if that's how miserable 1.00

00:43:32.500 trying to come out of transitioning is, why don't, why, why would I ever have any reason

00:43:38.200 to come out of my comfortable little bubble of living this, this lifestyle every day?

00:43:43.360 And I think in order to combat that, we also have to talk about the healing that detransitioning 1.00

00:43:48.540 brings.

00:43:49.720 And especially in recent years, as more awareness has been, has been, has been, has been given

00:43:56.180 to it and help these people to understand that, no, you were never born in the wrong

00:44:01.840 body and they're never, it's never too late to go back and you can find glory.

00:44:06.800 You can find healing and something outside of yourself.

00:44:09.500 And your identity does not come from what you believe about yourself or what you call

00:44:13.200 yourself or the way that you present yourself or what drugs you take.

00:44:16.220 It comes from our creation and God.

00:44:19.480 That's so absolutely profound.

00:44:22.700 And it really is a question of identity when it comes down to it.

00:44:28.140 It comes down to a question of who am I?

00:44:31.400 And then starting to resent who that, that person is.

00:44:35.580 And we all have an identity.

00:44:36.660 And then rather than accepting it and accepting that it's what God gave us, it's, it's lashing

00:44:43.480 out at that identity, lashing out at God, lashing out at perhaps our own choices in the

00:44:50.080 past and trying to put on an identity that's just completely impossible.

00:44:54.920 And it, it shouldn't surprise us then that it leads to, in some very tragic and horrible

00:45:01.300 cases, these psychotic breaks.

00:45:02.620 And we've seen a school shooting after school shooting, there was a school shooting at a

00:45:06.820 Catholic school in Minneapolis, Minnesota, just a couple of days before Charlie Kirk was

00:45:11.420 shot and killed.

00:45:12.440 And when he was shot and killed that, uh, and I was actually sitting right in this chair

00:45:17.440 right here when that happened on September 10th.

00:45:20.460 And of course I, I hoped very much that it was false, that it wasn't true, ended up not

00:45:24.760 being that case and there was a profile though, there was a profile that arose.

00:45:31.820 And I think in a lot of people's minds that there may be a transgender connection to this

00:45:37.440 and lo and behold, that's exactly what it was.

00:45:40.300 There was a man involved with a transgender lover who was up on that roof and allegedly

00:45:48.840 is the one who pulled the trigger to kill Charlie Kirk.

00:45:52.960 He's now on trial, he's now on death penalty, uh, uh, has been, has been, uh, sought after

00:45:58.900 is being sought after.

00:46:00.120 And in fact, he's hiring, he's got, I think about a million dollars in public defenses to

00:46:04.680 public defense funding.

00:46:05.560 And so he's hired a lot of people who have been involved in high profile cases before,

00:46:10.120 uh, this one, um, this one lawyer who defended the Menendez brothers, another also defended

00:46:16.820 the Olympic bomber who were also facing the death penalty.

00:46:19.720 So it's, it's going to be huge.

00:46:20.960 It's going to be a huge thing.

00:46:21.980 And, and Chloe, do you think that as we unpack more details about the, this, the personal

00:46:27.600 life here, that perhaps some of the things that come out might be a little familiar to

00:46:32.120 you, given what you went through?

00:46:35.420 I think so.

00:46:36.480 I really, I really wonder just what we're going to see coming out of this case.

00:46:40.260 But one thing that I do know is that this is a community of people who are deeply spiritually

00:46:50.200 and psychologically and emotionally broken.

00:46:52.820 And they're acting out because of that.

00:46:56.820 Even, even though Tyler himself wasn't trans identified, many, many people within these

00:47:02.440 radical left-wing spaces are people who are, are still struggling.

00:47:06.480 They're trying to find some identity.

00:47:07.700 And many of them find that through what they think is, is activism, but ultimately turns out

00:47:14.500 to be radical acts of, of violence.

00:47:16.800 They are so, they're suffering.

00:47:21.200 And I think going forward in our culture, that's exactly why we need to continue the

00:47:27.060 discussions around this.

00:47:28.280 I think that Charlie put it best.

00:47:31.680 When we stop having these conversations, that's when the violence begins.

00:47:37.340 And this violence has been, has been escalating over the years as the, as the left has been

00:47:42.860 panicking.

00:47:43.860 They're panicking because they've tried to stifle the voices of Christians, of conservatives

00:47:48.680 for so long, but their lives are being exposed in, in, in, in the sunlight that we are, that

00:47:56.020 we are bringing.

00:47:56.880 It's all slipping away.

00:47:57.860 Chloe Cole, thank you so much.

00:47:59.200 And we need to continue the fight until the very end.

00:48:00.720 Amen.

00:48:01.080 Thank you so much.

00:48:01.540 Where can people follow you?

00:48:03.640 I am on X as well as Instagram and I have a YouTube channel as well at Choo Cole, C-H-O-O-O-C-O-L-E. 1.00

00:48:10.740 God bless Chloe. 1.00

00:48:11.460 Come back soon.

00:48:11.940 And I want to unpack more and more of this.

00:48:14.040 We're right now.

00:48:15.060 We're out of time.

00:48:16.420 Ladies and gentlemen, see you later.

00:48:17.440 Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you have my permission to lay it short.

Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - October 16, 2025

Unpacking the Mind of Tyler Robinson

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