Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - VERDICT WATCH： JUDGE ISSUES STALINIST ORDERS TO TRUMP JURY, FATE OF REPUBLIC HANGS IN BALANCE

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00:01:26.440 the closing arguments from the prosecution made the titanic seem like a short movie

00:01:30.540 uh were they effective what stood out to you yeah look anything over three hours for a closing

00:01:35.600 argument i think you get diminishing returns and it really does undercut their argument that this is a

00:01:40.840 simple case right if you need more than three hours four or five hours how simple can it be

00:01:45.500 the classified documents case in florida a federal judge has rejected the request from special counsel

00:01:52.880 jack smith he requested a gag order against donald trump i agree with the officers who showed up and

00:01:59.220 with robert de niro but i'm just curious about the location is there any concern about the campaign

00:02:04.920 getting a little bit too close to these court proceedings and could that backfire any concerns

00:02:10.300 no there's no concern this campaign is not speaking about the substance of the trial in any way shape or

00:02:15.160 form the democratic national committee plans to nominate president biden in a virtual roll call before

00:02:20.940 its august convention in order to avoid any issues with ballot access joy just wondering do you think 1.00

00:02:26.380 people with trump derangement syndrome know they have it you're an idiot and second question did you 1.00

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00:02:40.200 that too much joy read everybody ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard today's edition of human events daily

00:02:46.900 i'm here in washington dc i want to go now live to ben burkwam for real america's voice he is on

00:02:53.400 the ground outside the trump trial today is may 29th 2024 the republic and our constitution hang

00:03:01.240 in the balance as the jury in this absolute stalinistic show trial has just gone for deliberations

00:03:09.600 ben burkwam you're there on the scene and i'm sorry it seems like it's a rally down there are people

00:03:16.100 celebrating yeah well they're pumped jack i mean you can see it right here this is a small group

00:03:23.160 we've had different groups up to several hundred out here

00:03:26.040 look at the cross section of people this is america this is the dei the left pretends to care

00:03:36.520 about everything right here in new york city black white brown all genders all two of them

00:03:43.900 out here in support of president trump uh the only one that's not over here is joyanne reed i think she's

00:03:49.120 she's fixing her trump wig right now ben that was that was an amazing piece of journalism that

00:03:55.560 you did there ben can you talk to anyone who's out there about what they feel about this trial and

00:04:00.820 whether whether whether they think this is the way forward for our country what it means

00:04:04.460 yep i'm gonna come right over here what is your message what do you think from this trial what what

00:04:12.460 is your message to the american people about what's happening right now that the trial is a charm

00:04:17.620 that we better wake up otherwise we are going to lose this country at the hands of the democrats and

00:04:25.960 radical left that want to destroy this country from within and this is not about president trump this

00:04:32.840 is about the american people as he said he's standing in between the deepest day and the radical left

00:04:39.540 and my message to the elites that support the democrats and radical left you must understand

00:04:45.920 that the left is going after your wealth so it's insane that you are supporting a left wing

00:04:53.200 left wing people who are going after themselves so change on them trump 2024 and this is about

00:05:02.540 with the people it's not about president trump he should be enjoying his life he should be traveling

00:05:07.820 spending time with his family and he's going through all this nonsense because of we the people

00:05:13.360 so trump 2024 you better wake up before we lose the usa the long opportunities amen amen okay quick quick

00:05:21.480 question no matter what happens no matter what happens in that courtroom does that change your

00:05:26.780 opinion at all about president trump absolutely not absolutely not is this a sham from the beginning

00:05:34.160 this was a sham from the beginning they weaponized the government against our president this is election

00:05:38.860 interference right here election election interference 101 right here right now going on in new york

00:05:44.920 against president trump because it's him it's him versus the government the government is he's in

00:05:51.160 between the government and the people right now and that's why they're doing this to him

00:05:55.320 thank you there you go jack you got it right there my friend lillian i love you lillian god bless you be like

00:06:01.820 lillian guys praying out here every single day jack ben incredible work down there will come back to you

00:06:08.320 this is huge the support goes nowhere no show trial is going to shake people's view of what's going on

00:06:16.680 it's not justice it's injustice we'll be right back to walk through the latest uh attorney will

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00:08:26.320 deliberations there's been some questions there's been some information i want to play though for you cnn's

00:08:32.080 response to the judge's last words the jury instructions to them before they broke here's that clip

00:08:39.120 the jury must be overwhelmed i mean to have all of these instructions just read to them without them

00:08:44.240 getting a copy is is going to be overwhelming for them and also it's crazy that um the the lawyers were not

00:08:51.040 able to discuss the instructions in their closings yesterday typically lawyers can go through the

00:08:56.960 instructions and explain why they've met them or why the government hasn't met them and they weren't

00:09:02.320 able to do that yesterday which i find bizarre i think the lawyers should have been able to do that

00:09:07.440 because the jurors right now must be wondering what is this all about jack so but we are back live i want

00:09:13.200 to bring on attorney will chamberlain with the article three project will walk me through these jury

00:09:20.800 instructions specifically and guys do we have that tweet that jonathan turley put up regarding this

00:09:27.120 this question of there's always been this this doubt about what is the underlying crime that makes

00:09:33.440 all these things a felony so will if you could we're going to pull that tweet up but if you could

00:09:38.320 explain to us why the underlying crime is so important and also this confusion over what that

00:09:46.800 underlying crime is and should the jury agree on what the underlying crime is so the charge in this

00:09:53.280 case is falsification of business records on new york law that's normally a misdemeanor to make this a

00:09:59.120 felony uh it has to be in the first degree meaning that it's in service of another crime in furtherance

00:10:06.560 of another crime um and so the question is what is that other crime um from the outset trump's legal

00:10:13.680 team and many legal observers have said that there needs to be specificity about what that crime is

00:10:19.040 it needs to be proven in court and there needs to be unanimity as to what that crime is but bragg and

00:10:25.440 justice mershon have said no actually there doesn't need to be unanimity we don't need to tell you what

00:10:30.640 the crime is till the very end and even if the jurors don't don't agree on which crime this was in

00:10:38.240 furtherance of um if they all agree that there was a crime that this was in furtherance of then

00:10:43.360 that's sufficient unanimity to find president trump guilty uh and in particular when just and and just

00:10:52.800 just quick question when you say unanimity what you're saying is the jury has to agree to the charges

00:10:58.800 the jury all 12 members of the jury and everyone who's watched like any movie about a jury or for

00:11:04.000 people who haven't served on one it's pretty pretty common knowledge that for the jury to

00:11:09.600 find someone guilty by the way or to acquit they all have to agree on each section now each charge

00:11:16.000 you could come down different elements you'll understand that each element of the thank you

00:11:19.360 each element of the crime but uh the idea that there's something that they don't have to agree on

00:11:25.680 sounds a little bit different than what we're used to yes it is especially when it comes to the

00:11:32.400 elements of the crime um it's i think it's a very very clear uh due process violation there's there's

00:11:38.480 clear supreme court precedent on at least at the you know for federal crimes that there needs to be

00:11:43.520 unanimity um as to if there's a predicate in a particular um criminal statute then there needs to be

00:11:50.160 unanimity not just on the crime generally but also on the predicate uh and that's a due process

00:11:54.880 violation if there isn't so this is just one of many reversible errors uh that judge mershon has

00:12:00.480 committed as the judge in this case um and as a result i mean i it seems pretty obvious that he's

00:12:06.720 just hoping to help biden win with a conviction even if that conviction can't stand up on appeal

00:12:14.800 so the idea then is so let's say okay devil's advocate um let's say trump's found guilty on all or

00:12:22.160 some of the charges what kind of time frame would he be looking at for a for overturning that on appeal

00:12:28.320 um well i mean i i think it can it depends right like sometimes you can you i mean obviously i mean

00:12:37.120 that's a very lawyer answer right it depends but um i'm not familiar with new york procedure but just

00:12:41.760 you know from from what it looks like in the federal court system um you know you can always you can ask

00:12:47.600 for an injunction to stop enforcement um usually you have to make a pretty strong showing that that the uh

00:12:53.760 the decision below was wrong um or and i'm sure that in the event of a conviction here that um

00:13:00.560 president trump's legal team will do that they'll try and basically stay any um you know attempt to

00:13:06.640 enforce the verdict and for you know put trump in jail i don't think i saw some mixed you know i've seen

00:13:12.560 mixed things because on the one hand the the level of felony this is i think under new york law it is in

00:13:19.760 fact required jail term but i've seen people on twitter saying the opposite and i'm not really

00:13:24.160 sure i i can't say that i have done enough detailed research to know what the potential penalty is here

00:13:30.720 um but i know i mean if they've raised this up to a felony i think that i i would be surprised i

00:13:36.720 guess if jail time wasn't in a possibility and this is what we were talking about yesterday when the news

00:13:43.520 broke out of cbs that the secret service has met with local jail officials in new york to discuss

00:13:50.400 that very um i mean i mean can we step back for a second here and say this is what we've crossed the

00:13:57.200 rubicon for the secret service is holding meetings with the with local jail officials on what the

00:14:04.800 circumstances of the incarceration of a former president who is entitled to lifetime secret

00:14:10.000 service protection would be so what are the are the prison officers then protecting the secret

00:14:14.720 service officers how does this work you know uh over over something where the judge has told the jury

00:14:22.720 incorrectly that they don't even need to agree on what the underlying crime is yeah it's an it's i mean

00:14:30.400 it's really shocking that and it turns the new york legal system into a joke which turns the american

00:14:35.040 legal system into a joke um it's a it's a shameful episode a stain on our country's history honestly

00:14:40.960 and it's certainly a stain on everybody in the new york office who's involved with this um hopefully

00:14:46.000 one day we'll get accountability uh i think that um it's challenging obviously but uh jd vance had a

00:14:52.000 pretty good criminal referral uh to talk about the fact that there's been effectively a conspiracy

00:14:57.360 against president trump's rights as a result of all this uh the combination of you know a malicious

00:15:02.720 unlawful prosecution unlawful orders throughout an unlawful gag order and all done to to interfere

00:15:09.360 in a presidential election it's really appalling and it's something by the way i've said that very

00:15:15.120 same if we're since we're going to be applying that to basically everyone now that's the same thing

00:15:19.040 they've got it for trump for they're going for doug mackie for this etc uh i would certainly apply that

00:15:23.440 same uh charge to pretty much any ngo or even government uh official who is facilitating the

00:15:32.480 importation of illegal aliens into this country it's a conspiracy against all our rights obviously 1.00

00:15:37.520 obviously it is and if we're just going to be interpreting whatever we want into that then fine

00:15:41.360 fine conspiracy against rights yeah i mean i i think you have the right attitude which is i mean this

00:15:47.440 is obviously a very vague statute and in a perfect world wouldn't exist but in a world where the democrats

00:15:52.080 are going to wield the statute as a unilaterally as a weapon well i'm not for unilateral disarmament

00:15:58.400 uh and what's been done to president trump and been done republican voters everywhere effectively by

00:16:03.520 trying to deprive us of our choice not just here but think of all the the colorado case where they were

00:16:09.200 trying to kick trump off the ballot um the unlawful means uh that all that should be seen as conspiracy

00:16:15.840 against rights and of course we're looking at this now we have no indication this is of course you

00:16:24.000 know it reminds me of when um you know what three yeah about maybe two and a half years ago when we um

00:16:31.200 we saw the last criminal trial that we watched in the political world with probably this level of

00:16:36.080 detail was the kyle rittenhouse trial and when that jury goes you know we'll just two minutes till the

00:16:41.200 break but you know is there anything you can do at this point once the jury goes behind those doors

00:16:48.320 it's up to the jury you know i've had people ask me like how long will this take and the answer is i

00:16:52.080 don't know man it'll take as long as it'll it'll take as it'll take as long as do the juries agree

00:16:58.960 if the jurors agree this doesn't take very long if the jurors don't agree then this can take a really

00:17:02.560 long time um and so the only people who have a good idea of how long this is going to take are in

00:17:07.040 that jury room um and so you know who knows we may get a they may come out they might acquit them

00:17:12.720 they might convict them i mean we just they haven't spoken we don't talk to these people we don't

00:17:16.960 know what they think and gosh if you're talking about a case where the actual underlying facts are

00:17:23.600 are not going to be nearly as predictive of the ultimate result i mean this is the one there's never

00:17:27.680 there's no more politically important criminal prosecution that probably has ever happened in our

00:17:32.080 nation's history um so you know the the fact that politics plays such a role in these jurors

00:17:38.960 decisions and these jurors attitudes um the fact there's so much obvious bias one way or the other

00:17:43.520 i mean it's not merely that there's bias against president trump there's also plenty of jurors who

00:17:47.920 are probably biased for president trump so you really just have no idea what what you're looking

00:17:52.560 for here or what what the end result i would say i would say just just gut assessment i would i would um

00:17:59.680 if if the jury comes back early that's probably not a good sign for president trump's team um if

00:18:04.480 they if they extend this out the longer they extend the better it gets for president trump i

00:18:09.200 think kyle rittenhouse it was like three or four days they had one hold out they were able to flip

00:18:14.320 at the very end to not guilty and i think that's that's probably a situation you're going to see

00:18:20.480 obviously in a hung jury uh that's something that is that does extend out and that's probably the

00:18:24.960 best chance right here stay tuned be right back will chamberlain attorney for the article three

00:18:28.880 project joins us breaking down the show trial of donald trump

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00:19:42.880 slash poso promo code poso 20. will by the way um you know i want to go over uh this idea of unanimity

00:19:51.840 again that unanimity is something that is essential in these cases that the fact that we that the judge

00:20:00.640 has just said you can have a four four four split is is just something that's completely foreign completely

00:20:06.640 alien to our legal system um still boneless who's watching the show uh at home sent us or at work or

00:20:14.160 you know probably on the side of the road i think he lives in like a ditch somewhere

00:20:18.080 that richardson v united states 1999 the jury must be unanimous as to the series of underlying defenses in

00:20:26.800 a cce prosecution but um not only that the the jury must unanimously agree not only that the defendant

00:20:35.040 committed some continuing series of violations but also about which specific violations make up that

00:20:41.760 continuing series so again it's it's just language backing up what you've been saying that the that

00:20:47.440 you need yeah i mean the rest of the case i know this please i know i don't know that it is absolutely

00:20:54.320 binding on state courts right because it's a way of it talks about that this is how we should be

00:20:58.560 interpreting federal statutes but i think there is language in that case that talks about how

00:21:05.040 the problem of if you don't have unanimity on a predicate crime there's a due process violation

00:21:08.720 if that language is is that language would be should be binding um but i'm i this is one of those

00:21:14.960 areas of the law where i'm like i need to actually read not just this case but a few other cases to

00:21:19.520 get a real handle on whether or not what the you know is what is to what extent does this bind a

00:21:24.480 state law a state court because obviously like state states are responsible for the interpretation of

00:21:30.560 their own statutes and this you know the state supreme court is the ultimate arbiter of that

00:21:34.240 subject to you're not allowed to violate the federal constitution

00:21:40.080 right and so the idea still being though is that these ideas look walk me through this so here's

00:21:47.040 something that i don't think a lot of people get in the judge schrader in kyle rittenhouse's case

00:21:50.560 brought this up a lot um this whole idea of 12 people on the jury going in and requiring unanimity is

00:21:58.960 that just something we arbitrarily came up with at random did the founding fathers sit down and

00:22:03.520 pick a number out of a hat or is there some long serious tradition that this is drawing from

00:22:11.600 i mean this is this is going all the way back to the founding and the right to trial by jury

00:22:18.960 uh is an extraordinarily basic right it's one of the things that um the americans patriots were not

00:22:25.840 happy about with the british um thought that was tyrannical to basically not be tried by a jury

00:22:30.640 of your peers instead just be tried by the judge who became both the arbiter of both law and fact

00:22:36.720 um and that people under were criminally prosecuted ought to have the protection of a jury of their peers

00:22:42.560 and and also it's about um you know where basically the system should err on the side of the liberty of

00:22:49.680 the criminal defendant um meaning that you know if you can't get unanimity uh from a jury if there's

00:22:56.560 even one holdout then that's not sufficient to get a conviction you have to get every juror to agree

00:23:02.880 and this is huge uh you're talking about so when i talk about the foundations of our republic when i

00:23:08.560 talk about the foundations of the system by which we define liberty i know the libertarians and their

00:23:15.360 presidential candidate might have a slightly different definition than myself um but i'm

00:23:20.720 talking about the one that was instituted in uh 1791 under the constitution current constitution that we

00:23:27.600 have and has been litigated ever since it had a clear definition some of these terms go all the way back

00:23:34.400 to ancient rome some of these concepts uh being able to face your accuser for example i mean these are not

00:23:40.800 new concepts these are the very foundations of western civilization and what you have are and i'm

00:23:47.360 sorry you know and and oh i've i've been asking everyone this week will but i'm sure you've seen

00:23:51.520 there's been some people have been very upset with me for calling these types on humans and uh having a

00:23:56.560 very very very mean book title i've been accused of having you've been too mean to communists oh no

00:24:03.760 anyway yes i'm being too mean to the communists by calling them on humans but that is exactly what they

00:24:09.120 are doing of course they would want to chip away and undo and unravel the very founding network and 0.96

00:24:16.560 makeup of our republic and replace it with whatever communist gobbledygook crap they can find that's

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00:24:33.840 to me a little bit about that where it seems like this guy mershon is just it feels like he's just making

00:24:38.960 up on the fly yeah i mean it's just a different view of the criminal justice system you know

00:24:44.160 there are most people i think would look at the criminal justice system as there to protect the

00:24:48.080 innocent and to put away wrongdoers and to protect life liberty and property um but the unhumans as you 0.99

00:24:54.720 put them i think view the criminal justice system as a tool to wield uh power against their political

00:25:01.200 opponents and in fact not they're not particularly interested at all in ensuring that you know the

00:25:06.640 average citizen is safe on the streets and that basic crimes are are prosecuted no that's not the

00:25:11.520 issue the issue is how can we use the the power of the law as such to to imprison and marginalize

00:25:20.480 are the people who might take power from us and a lot of this goes back of course the end people also

00:25:27.440 don't want to say there's a lot of people who want to say that america doesn't have a uh a specific

00:25:33.200 founding from a specific set of people and it's just not true because it is the 12 jurors has an

00:25:39.600 anglo history this is english history it goes back over 850 years of course uh i'm getting i'm getting

00:25:46.240 the notes in now medieval england uh it goes back to the henry ii in the 12th century particularly with

00:25:54.080 the assise of clarendon in 1166 which established the use of a jury in the justice system because of

00:26:01.120 course prior to that you just you just went to the court's judge and the judge would just sort

00:26:05.760 of decide and there you know off you go and that's still true in many places uh the use of the jury is

00:26:12.400 not um something that happens everywhere uh you go to france for instance and if you're in a criminal

00:26:18.480 prosecution in france there's no jury you're just facing a judge right so you you want to mess with

00:26:24.320 this stuff um this is this is you know you're you're chipping away at the very bedrock i think

00:26:29.600 actually in japan they have something interesting where they have um they have a panel of judges and

00:26:36.720 some of which are professional judges and then others are like citizens who act as judges so it's

00:26:43.440 sort of a mix between juror and judge so you're appointed a member of the judge's panel for that trial

00:26:50.080 it's it's totally not which again that's their system they're japanese they want the japanese

00:26:56.560 system we are americans we have a specific american legal and justice system that is based on our anglo

00:27:04.160 american heritage and it's just a fact it's just a fact and when you start having people that come up

00:27:11.520 through the ranks and yes this definitely gets into an immigration argument but when you start having

00:27:15.760 people come in who don't come from places that have no history of this whatsoever it doesn't seem

00:27:22.000 that important to them yeah i mean that's also true of other aspects of due process and the first

00:27:27.120 amendment i mean we think of these things i think there's a big conceit especially among liberals to

00:27:32.560 think of our our liberties as kind of universal when in reality they can be very particular to our system

00:27:40.160 to our heritage this is something that the national conservatives are really good about and i think

00:27:44.640 your masoni was has written beautifully about this uh the fact that people take for granted how you

00:27:51.520 know how how their liberties are are you know the idea that these liberties universal is just wrong

00:27:57.120 and fostering your own distinct heritage and making sure you preserve the institutions that protect

00:28:02.400 it is really important if you want to keep the liberty well and you know a lot of people talk about

00:28:08.320 george w bush um trying to export our liberties into the middle east and obviously i think we all kind

00:28:15.440 of get that didn't go so well um yeah but what they also miss is that going all the way back to 2000 george

00:28:22.720 w bush was campaigning on bringing in as many people as possible from the third world particularly latin

00:28:29.840 america particularly south america and saying um the more we get it's just going to increase our liberties

00:28:36.240 and they're going to enjoy in our freedoms and bask in them and i mean it's just complete failure

00:28:41.120 complete and utter failure uh these are countries that have a completely different the way i'd put it

00:28:46.080 is this and i'd even i'd even say it to you know my sort of um you know libertarian leaning folk colleagues

00:28:54.400 is that uh these are countries that have a very different relationship between the government and the

00:29:01.600 people the united states is a very particular relationship between the government and the

00:29:06.400 people and that's only because of the unique history of the united states no one else has that

00:29:12.880 history ergo you need to be very careful with immigration last minute on on all of this will

00:29:18.640 chamberlain yeah um i think that there's a lot there's a lot to that and i think that you know a big

00:29:27.600 part i wanted to talk about is the idea that for our democracy to work the parties need to honor

00:29:31.440 each other they need to honor each other's leaders because that this ultimately facilitates

00:29:35.600 the peaceful transfer of power and means that we aren't playing winner take all every time somebody

00:29:40.000 takes power but the thing that these prosecutions they're a massive breach of that principle you're

00:29:44.560 you're prosecuting the leader of the opposing political party um and at this point i mean when

00:29:49.280 people talk about what banana republics do this is what banana republics do

00:29:53.120 precisely that will tell us where they can go to follow not just the article three project but a3p

00:30:01.520 action right so article3project.org is the general head uh place to go for the website but a3p

00:30:07.840 action.org should be a very significant interest to your listeners it's a place where with just a few

00:30:13.040 clicks you can send an email or make a phone call to your congressman and alert them about what you know

00:30:19.920 particular issues for example there's a big one that we're pushing now about trying to get

00:30:24.400 representative clive's rider to defund all of the warfare against president trump we're trying to get

00:30:29.440 that attached to this bill so if you make you know you contact your congressperson um and make it clear

00:30:35.280 that you want this to happen that can have a real impact on how they think um and a3p action.org makes

00:30:40.400 it very easy for you to do so so you should check that out royal chamberlain always a pleasure my friend

00:30:45.520 thank you for your deep analysis and insights into what is going on the fall of our civilization

00:30:53.040 and giuliani who's been in trial this entire time join us next

00:30:59.040 jack where is jack where is jack where is he jack i want to see you

00:31:08.800 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always talking

00:31:14.320 about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting police

00:31:21.600 all right jack so be back live human events daily we've now got andrew giuliani live from new york

00:31:29.760 cities from a very special location and he's been in the courtroom the entire time andrew how are you

00:31:36.320 jack i'm doing well it's nice to have lady liberty out in the background over here i feel like um

00:31:40.960 that's something that i've not seen in the courtroom over the last uh last six weeks sadly

00:31:46.960 well and and i i couldn't agree more on that unfortunately liberty island might be the only

00:31:52.080 place within the confines of the city that uh that we have any of that left right now but tell me about

00:31:57.600 the the closing arguments this story that we got this report of a five hour closing this seems egregious

00:32:05.520 what kind of lawyer spends three weeks in the trial and then delivers a five hour closing the

00:32:12.880 whole trials when you're supposed to make your argument the closing is just a summation

00:32:17.520 jack even homer was looking down from on high and saying let's get the reader's digest version of this

00:32:22.720 is just taking forever and ever and actually i think he may have lost some of the jury at one point

00:32:27.760 in there i'll tell you during one of the bathroom breaks i was in there and i don't remember if the

00:32:32.640 reporter was an msnbc cnn fox what kind of political affiliation this reporter had but he had said at

00:32:40.080 one point that he had lost most of the jury he looked and he was counting that there were seven

00:32:44.240 no votes at that point i don't think that's necessarily the case i don't think he lost this

00:32:49.200 jury i think this jury just frankly is far too biased when you look at the 12 primary jurors eight of

00:32:55.600 them are new york times subscribers that concerns me right there i would imagine all eight of those

00:33:00.960 are probably going to vote against donald trump and probably would vote to convict no matter what

00:33:05.840 the evidence is right there uh but the five hour summation by the prosecution uh really i think it

00:33:13.120 was just throwing so much against the wall because again they were trying to get as far away from michael

00:33:20.400 cohen's testimony as possible there's no document in this case no document in this case that connects

00:33:26.880 donald trump to any kind of a crime without michael cohen telling you that donald trump did this or

00:33:34.080 donald trump did that and when you consider that michael cohen is not just a perjurer of congress

00:33:40.240 is not just a convicted felon but perjured himself twice in the last couple of weeks in that exact same

00:33:46.560 courtroom the jurors were watching him swear his oath on a bible that's extremely problematic for the

00:33:52.960 prosecution now let me ask you this as well there was a port um early this morning that i saw about

00:34:01.360 the the trump legal team and it's of course you know anonymous source so take away the grain of salt

00:34:06.720 but there's this idea of floating around that the trump legal team thinks they've identified potentially

00:34:12.000 one juror who was making strong eye contact with president trump who seemed to light up when jd vance or

00:34:20.160 anna polina luna or some of these other high profile individuals came into the courtroom 1.00

00:34:25.120 did you notice anything like that when you were there was there any one juror to your eye that seemed

00:34:32.000 more favorable than the others yeah i'll tell you one thing that stood out and i will say this jury has

00:34:38.000 had a good poker face throughout the entire trial it's been tough and i've been watching during some of

00:34:42.480 the salacious testimony that stormy gave during some of the lies that cohen was caught in and they

00:34:47.760 didn't really give much however yesterday during that odyssean final argument uh that the uh prosecution

00:34:54.080 put up there was one juror in the front row a male who went exactly like this i'll show it to you and

00:35:00.240 you can determine what it was put his hands in his hands like this and went back and forth no like that

00:35:08.160 and at the time i was thinking of myself he was facepalming he was facepalming and it was obvious the

00:35:14.160 reason why he was doing it is because this summation went on forever and ever and ever and

00:35:19.680 ever there was nothing salacious at the time that the prosecution was saying there was nothing that

00:35:25.120 was directly linking president trump that they were alleging linking president trump to anything criminal

00:35:31.600 this juror just wanted to get it over so that very well may be the same juror uh that the trump team

00:35:38.080 has highlighted again if you go back to this jury questionnaire here jack you can see that eight

00:35:43.600 of the 12 are new york times subscribers there's only one that is admitted to being a true social

00:35:49.680 subscriber that also admits to getting their media on x and they do not get their media from msnbc cnn or

00:35:57.360 the new york times i'm hopeful that's not a trojan horse i'm hopeful that's the one that they're looking

00:36:01.840 at i'm hopeful that one is actually unbiased when they're looking at the facts and the evidence here

00:36:08.640 right and unfortunately and i've had some experience covering trials before is that on occasion you'll

00:36:14.400 get a jurors who as you say they're upset because of their so much having so much of their time wasted

00:36:20.240 but because they don't like having their time wasted whenever that first usually there's a test vote that

00:36:25.440 goes on right at the beginning of jury deliberations and the foreman goes around and they take the votes

00:36:31.120 and they determine where people stand and let's say it's eight to four for that test vote and so

00:36:36.720 when it goes eight to four then those four who sit there then they go to them and they say all right

00:36:41.600 what do you know what do you need for us to get you from uh from where you are undecided to guilty

00:36:48.800 and if someone's there and just wants to get out of there wants it to be done with they'll go with

00:36:53.680 whatever the majority is because they're not worried about what the case says they're trying

00:36:58.560 to get out of there and i'm not saying this is exactly what's going on or what that person was

00:37:02.400 saying but i have had uh situations where jurors have said that coming out yeah and jack that's

00:37:08.240 where these lawyers are going to play a really really outsized role uh and it's normally one of

00:37:12.800 the reasons why they don't want lawyers on this on juries for example so they'll play a really really

00:37:18.560 big role in this there's one other really key point i want to make about uh the summation the

00:37:23.280 prosecution gave which was actually really one of the most outrageous things that i thought happened

00:37:28.480 during the trial the prosecutor at one point said don't fall for the defense's trap of actually

00:37:34.960 looking at each piece of information in a vacuum now first off that's what a jury is supposed to do

00:37:41.440 they're supposed to look at each piece of information and reasonable doubt can come from any one of those

00:37:47.280 pieces of information however think about what he said look at the entire thing with all with

00:37:54.240 everything that ended up happening here what the prosecution was actually saying to the jury i

00:37:59.360 believe in there was don't actually look at the evidence the minutiae of the evidence think about

00:38:06.400 whether or not you like donald trump think about whether or not you want him to be elected

00:38:11.200 the 47th president and make your determination on that again jack he didn't say that in those words

00:38:17.040 but i think that's what he was trying to convey the prosecutor was trying to convey to the jury by

00:38:22.240 making that statement in his summation so wait he made a statement regarding their feelings on the

00:38:30.640 defendant is that what you're saying no he did not he basically just said don't worry about the uh the

00:38:37.920 vacuum of picking out facts one fact at a time look at the whole the whole picture basically here the

00:38:45.520 the entire picture don't actually which by the way anybody who's either been on a jury about been

00:38:51.520 around the legal profession they know that reasonable doubt can be proven through any single

00:38:57.520 one of the pieces of evidence that may be wrong so a jury's supposed to do that what i am telling you

00:39:03.440 what i heard when i heard that was something beyond the legal argument it was the political don't get hung

00:39:09.920 up yeah yeah yes he's saying don't get hung up on on the you know on the particulars don't get hung

00:39:18.320 up on the little details you know in your heart this guy is guilty but that's not criminal law is it yeah

00:39:26.080 exactly that's exactly right so he went against really what reasonable doubt is a and b it was by

00:39:33.280 interpretation that by him saying that he was telling to a manhattan jury again that voted 86

00:39:39.200 for joe biden in 2020 79 for alvin bregg so you can see the bias there that hey don't worry about

00:39:45.920 the facts whether or not we've proved them or not if you don't like donald trump then guess what

00:39:50.320 vote to convict him of what crime i don't really know but you don't like him so vote to convict

00:39:56.560 and this this is the the biggest part of it we just had another attorney on talking about this

00:40:01.200 the idea that they don't have to let me ask you this and and we'll be just one minute till the

00:40:07.040 break but when when the judge brought up that jury instruction that said you don't have to agree

00:40:13.520 on the underlying crime what was the jury's response if any jury didn't respond to anything

00:40:20.400 i think it was kind of more of disbelief for myself when i heard that i was sitting with another lawyer

00:40:25.360 who had represented president trump in other issues at the time and we've talked about that at

00:40:31.040 lunch just a few minutes ago and and how absurd that ruling is right there and i think that's

00:40:36.400 something that would ultimately really uh hold up on appeal for the trump team but whether or not the

00:40:42.800 jury actually looks at that and follows what the judge is saying or follows the law on this

00:40:48.400 it's two separate uh it's two separate paths

00:40:52.960 and this this is this is everything now it's with the jury it's been with the jury for a couple of hours

00:40:58.800 stay tuned folks because we've got andrew giuliani and he's breaking down not what he thinks happened

00:41:04.480 in the courtroom but what exactly happened because he was there stay tuned

00:41:11.680 boring people at your office i'm trying to listen to the new human events with jack pozovic

00:41:17.120 all right jack pozovic we're back live you know it's it's uh it's unfortunate because uh we're hearing

00:41:25.280 now we're told that the jury just requested to see the evidence from the court unfortunately the court

00:41:33.600 had to tell them that there there wasn't any evidence there wasn't any evidence at all i'm just

00:41:39.280 kidding but it's it's ridiculous um we've got andrew giuliani on and andrew if i can ask you or and it's more of a

00:41:45.520 more of a comment than a question but you know when you were there perhaps you can um educate me on

00:41:50.320 this but it seemed like so much of this has been about the different personalities in the case

00:41:55.760 as opposed to the actual business records themselves which is interesting to me because of

00:42:01.120 course this is supposed to be a business records case to begin with that's exactly right and i would

00:42:06.720 look at really what the prosecution was trying to do you can put kind of it in two different paths

00:42:12.080 there one the business records case which the prosecution fell woefully short of proving in any

00:42:18.480 kind of way the only thing that would connect donald trump to any of this is michael cohen's

00:42:23.200 word and even with michael cohen's word there's no direct documentation from donald j trump so let's

00:42:29.040 say you even had somebody like mother teresa instead of michael cohen in that situation i still don't

00:42:35.360 think that you connect donald trump to all this said you have michael cohen two-time perjurer uh

00:42:40.800 just in the last week but really i think what the prosecution was trying to do to this jury pool 0.97

00:42:46.800 was to make it as salacious as possible say you had donald trump here who had sex with a porn star

00:42:53.440 allegedly 18 years ago you mentioned karen mcdougall the playboy playmate the access hollywood tape which

00:43:00.240 had nothing absolutely nothing to do whatsoever with what they're alleging right now again they're

00:43:05.280 able to bring that transcript into the courthouse they were able to play uh president trump's apology

00:43:11.840 about that there that was all about trying to throw mud against the wall to see what actually

00:43:17.440 stuck there jack and i think what they really wanted to do with this manhattan jury pool was again

00:43:23.680 to say hey look you see donald trump is unworthy of your confidence and so because of that we want you

00:43:32.240 to convict him not of any crimes that we're proving as i said in the last segment right there but just

00:43:37.280 because you know we don't think he's a good guy and sadly mershan what he was able to do in terms of

00:43:43.680 manipulating the scope of questioning the evidence that the prosecution could present and that the

00:43:50.160 that the defense could not present he was able to frame i think something for this jury uh that uh that

00:43:56.880 was really one-sided in so many days even with that being said even with donald trump proverbially

00:44:03.840 fighting against the refs as well in this legal contest if you will the prosecution still did not

00:44:11.680 prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and it wasn't even close in my estimation jack let's just

00:44:17.200 see if there are any jurors that are unbiased with principle that are sitting in that courtroom right now

00:44:22.880 deliberating we will see andrew giuliani thank you so much for joining us here on human events

00:44:28.640 incredible work incredible job in the courtroom thank you jack see you soon i want to play a quick

00:44:34.400 clip now from cnn give it getting their take to saying that something a little similar to what

00:44:39.680 we're saying let's play that it's on the prosecution right they need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that

00:44:45.520 he committed that donald trump broke the law and you think after listening to all of this you think they

00:44:49.520 fell short they fell way short because let's start with reasonable doubt there is reasonable doubt

00:44:55.440 all over this case where is keith schiller where is alan weisselberg how did michael cohn get away

00:45:03.040 with stealing thirty thousand dollars hold a pity party for him made four million dollars on this thought

00:45:08.640 he'd be chief of staff he's a fixer if the plumber comes to my house to fix my leak i could be home that

00:45:15.520 doesn't mean i know how he's doing it and what it's taking to be fixed it's simply about did the

00:45:21.440 former president know that books his records false entries for legal fees michael cohn was his lawyer

00:45:28.720 did he intend to cover up the election or to protect his family it's ever everywhere 0.89

00:45:35.840 there you go folks it ain't just us saying it it's cnn admitting it well they know this case is a loser 0.97

00:45:41.520 they know this case is trash and we got ben burquam down on the street with another group of people 0.95

00:45:47.360 who know that this case is a loser and know this case is trash and it's political and it's joseph 0.98

00:45:52.080 stalin ben yeah but uh jack it doesn't matter because once they convict that's all they want 0.96

00:45:58.960 is that conviction so that they can delegitimize president trump that's what this is all about i've

00:46:03.600 got a few other people over here jack i want to talk to them and get their perspective uh rose angel what

00:46:08.560 do you think about what's happening in that courtroom i think it's a sham i think it's a

00:46:12.320 waste of our money i think it's a distraction and new yorkers are fed up that's what i think and you

00:46:17.760 know why we're breaking the stereotype uh a latino support trump that's it this side what about you

00:46:24.320 my man latinos for trump we're supporting trump we know what the corrupt regime are doing to trump

00:46:31.040 it's not only him it's us too they're after us so we are here to support him and you're here for

00:46:37.040 school from india what is it why does this matter to you bro this this uh matters to me especially

00:46:44.000 because uh it's all about standing up for the truth uh wherever i would have been at this point

00:46:50.480 even in some other country i would have stood up for the truth uh like this is what you see at the

00:46:56.080 back people like chinese people people of all color stands for trump this is not all about white

00:47:03.040 people you see the other side most of the anti-trump people are mostly the base is always the white

00:47:08.960 people they try to uh spread the black victim uh stories and uh the main issue here is what is trump

00:47:20.640 getting sued for like what did wrong did he do how did the other customers pay stormy daniel by cash by

00:47:27.600 under table i i mean how did the other people pay and they could have bought this case like 10 years

00:47:33.120 ago in 2016 this didn't happen like two years ago this happened like a decade ago why are they bringing

00:47:40.000 up this this case like just before six months uh yeah it's it's very sad what's happening the border

00:47:48.480 especially everything and you see that here and i have my friend from barbados back here behind the flag

00:47:53.360 all of this jack you see this this is what it's about it's about the people not just in america but

00:47:59.040 around the world we have people from the uk that came here to watch this that are saying this is it

00:48:04.240 what happens in america affects the entire world real quick 15 seconds what's your message to president

00:48:09.680 trump we support you we absolutely support you you have a lot of support the other side over there 0.66

00:48:16.560 their their numbers are pathetic and they're dwindling because they're starting to understand what the 0.92

00:48:21.760 situation is the lies that's been told the corruption that is being exposed a lot of people are finally 0.94

00:48:27.360 starting to see it and that's a beautiful thing and we work when we are here to work to make sure

00:48:33.200 that people who don't know will know and get them to the polls to vote that's it that's it in the end

00:48:40.400 this all comes down to the election jack everyone here understands it and guaranteed everyone in that

00:48:44.800 building understands it incredible work ben ladies and gentlemen we know this is a show trial this is

00:48:54.000 potentially the end of our republic or perhaps the start of the next republic ladies and gentlemen as

00:48:59.680 always you have my permission to lay short

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