Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - November 25, 2025


Will Russia Agree To New Ukraine Peace Deal？


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48 minutes

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166.4295

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7,992

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314

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

7


Summary

Sen. Kelly defiant after the Pentagon announces it s investigating him for serious allegations of misconduct. President Trump furious at the lawmakers, labeling them traitors and accusing them of seditious behavior punishable by death. Former Navy Captain Mark Kelly, who flew 39 combat missions in Iraq before going on to become an astronaut, now threatened with courtmartial for saying this.


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00:00:30.000 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:39.300 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:45.980 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec.
00:00:49.040 Christ is king.
00:00:50.640 This morning, Arizona Senator Mark Kelly defiant after the Pentagon announced it's investigating him
00:00:56.080 for serious allegations of misconduct after he and five other Democratic lawmakers posted
00:01:01.840 a video urging U.S. service members not to follow illegal orders.
00:01:06.380 I was a captain in the United States Navy.
00:01:08.480 Former CIA officer.
00:01:09.840 Former Navy.
00:01:10.600 Kelly, who flew 39 combat missions in Iraq before going on to become an astronaut,
00:01:15.820 now threatened with a court-martial for saying this.
00:01:18.600 Our laws are clear.
00:01:20.220 You can refuse illegal orders.
00:01:22.640 You can refuse illegal orders.
00:01:24.740 You must refuse illegal orders.
00:01:27.160 No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our Constitution.
00:01:31.280 The president furious at the lawmakers, labeling them traitors and accusing them of, quote,
00:01:36.180 seditious behavior punishable by death.
00:01:39.120 The White House is supportive of the Department of War's investigation into Senator Mark Kelly.
00:01:43.360 And I think what Senator Mark Kelly was actually trying to do was intimidate the 1.3 million
00:01:49.540 active duty service members who are currently serving in our United States Armed Forces
00:01:54.240 with that video that he and his Democrat colleagues put out.
00:01:59.020 Senator Mark Kelly well knows the rules of the military and the respect that one must have
00:02:04.500 for the chain of command and that all lawful orders are presumed to be legal by our service members.
00:02:10.300 You can't have a functioning military if there is disorder and chaos within the ranks.
00:02:15.640 The Trump administration now vowing to appeal after a federal judge threw out the criminal case
00:02:21.600 against former FBI Director James Comey and New York Attorney General Letitia James.
00:02:26.560 In twin rulings, the judge found Prosecutor Lindsay Halligan was unlawfully appointed,
00:02:32.400 writing, quote,
00:02:33.040 All actions flowing from Ms. Halligan's defective appointment constitute unlawful exercise of
00:02:38.940 executive power and must be set aside.
00:02:43.380 Overnight, an intense barrage of Russian missiles and drones raining down on the Ukrainian capital
00:02:48.720 for more than six hours as negotiations intensify between the U.S., Russia and Ukraine.
00:02:55.780 Officials are saying Russia targeted power stations, two residential buildings, also hit.
00:03:01.040 I don't know if you heard that.
00:03:05.440 We're now getting intense Russian bombardments of the capital.
00:03:09.000 At least seven people killed, according to officials.
00:03:11.800 The mayor saying seven out of ten of the capital's districts now suffering power disruptions.
00:03:18.500 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
00:03:21.800 We're here live, Phoenix, Arizona.
00:03:23.820 Today is November 25th, 2025.
00:03:27.420 Anno Domini.
00:03:28.840 I wanted to just take a quick moment before we get into today's top story.
00:03:33.280 I want to get into this Ukraine peace deal.
00:03:36.300 Will the Russians agree?
00:03:37.800 Will Ukraine agree?
00:03:38.920 But I'm out here in Phoenix, and this is Charlie's old studio that I'm sitting in right now.
00:03:47.120 This desk right here is Charlie's original desk where he launched the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:03:52.200 And I've been here many times.
00:03:55.520 He was gracious enough to allow me to use it to launch Human Events Daily.
00:04:01.020 And I've had my family here.
00:04:03.340 I've had, obviously, his family's been here.
00:04:06.300 He and I have been here for debates and laughter and so many stories and so many things.
00:04:13.520 And, yeah, it just really takes you back sometimes to realize that there's so much important in this world and there's so much going on that you do need to take a step back sometimes and realize that everything could change in the blink of an eye.
00:04:32.580 And don't ever forget that we live in a real world, an actual world.
00:04:41.820 And when we talk about cases of violence, that's why ending the Ukraine war is so important.
00:04:47.920 And that's why this peace deal is so important.
00:04:50.120 If President Trump and Secretary Driscoll, who's now been taking the lead on these negotiations, if they can get this done, it's so important because the Ukrainians and the Russians, they're going to their Christmas time as well.
00:05:01.140 And for every single soldier lost on the battlefield, that's a family that's got a son that doesn't come home.
00:05:08.920 That's a family that's got a dad that they're never going to see again.
00:05:12.560 It's like Charlie's kids are never going to see their dad again.
00:05:16.240 This is real stuff.
00:05:18.000 And for people who want to play games with acts of violence, with acts of war and say, oh, well, it's not really that big of a deal.
00:05:24.960 And we'll just keep fighting.
00:05:27.100 And Russia will keep, you know, having to throw more men into it.
00:05:30.980 It's it's disgusting, actually, when I see people who want to continue this thing.
00:05:36.960 And it's it's actually horrific because why don't you go over there?
00:05:41.740 And so many of them refuse to.
00:05:43.680 Why don't you go over there and actually meet with the people who've got to live with missiles flying over their heads every day?
00:05:48.320 We've got to dodge bullets just so they can get to the grocery store.
00:05:51.120 We've got to deal with drone warfare all over the place and who have to see their sons getting dragged to the front.
00:05:58.820 You want that?
00:06:01.600 Would you want that for your children?
00:06:03.240 Because that's the reality of warfare.
00:06:05.460 It's not some grandiose romantic scheme.
00:06:08.380 It's people dying in disgusting and disfiguring ways.
00:06:12.040 It's bodies that are blown apart so much that you can't actually put them back together to bring them home.
00:06:17.800 Closed caskets every time.
00:06:19.400 So that's what you want.
00:06:22.520 If you that's what you're supporting, if you support more war, that's what you're getting.
00:06:26.780 And that's what we see.
00:06:27.860 That's certainly what we see.
00:06:29.140 And I'm not going to sit here and play some games like, oh, who started?
00:06:31.880 Who started?
00:06:32.340 Look, look, look, there's a war and people are dying.
00:06:36.560 Now, this deal, the Russians said they like the 28 point plan, the 19 point plan that came out as well, that the Ukrainians said they agreed to.
00:06:44.020 I don't, I'm just going to say right now, I don't think the Russians are going to agree to this.
00:06:47.120 I said that on war room this morning, I'm going to continue.
00:06:49.700 I do not think the Russians will go on board with this because they do not want Ukraine in NATO at all.
00:06:55.900 Not even an option, not even a possibility.
00:06:58.560 And oh, they want full neutralization, neutral status for Ukraine.
00:07:03.120 And they view it as an existential threat to Russia.
00:07:05.200 Now, you can disagree and you can say, I don't think you're right all you want.
00:07:09.600 But you've got to convince them of that.
00:07:12.400 Ladies and gentlemen, the enemy always gets a vote.
00:07:18.020 Be right back, Human Events Daily.
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00:09:03.700 So, folks, we're digging in more on this Ukraine deal.
00:09:07.640 Will it last?
00:09:08.560 Will it be agreed to?
00:09:11.100 I wanted to bring Mike Benz on now from the Foundation for Freedom Online.
00:09:15.600 Benz, you've done the yeoman's work on explaining why Ukraine really became this vocal point so much,
00:09:22.340 going all the way back to President Trump's first impeachment, Hunter Biden, the Burisma dealings.
00:09:28.480 And I guess I wanted to say, Benz, is that if this thing is actually to wind down,
00:09:33.300 this is going to be a huge problem for a lot of people in power, both in the United States and across Europe, isn't it?
00:09:39.460 Yeah, it's a little complicated, though, because I do think that they do want the kinetic military activity that Russia is conducting to wind down,
00:09:51.940 in the sense that I think that some of the—well, not some, but almost all of the exuberance in the early initial 2022 forays,
00:10:03.460 forays when there was a thought that actually Russia had misstepped and that they were actually much weaker than NATO feared they might be,
00:10:13.520 and it looked like Ukraine was having some early victories.
00:10:16.300 There was, I think, a hope that Ukraine could militarily take this all the way and then end up with a regime change inside of Moscow,
00:10:26.640 and another Boris Yeltsin resurrected and put in Putin's place.
00:10:32.180 And instead, Ukraine is now reporting loss after loss.
00:10:37.100 Every update I seem to see on it seems to be another territory, another town, another very one-sided victory for Russia on the military battlefield.
00:10:47.460 And I do think that the goal of the peace—there's kind of a Trump goal and there's a blob goal for peace.
00:10:56.540 I think the Trump goal is to have a lasting peace.
00:11:00.440 I think the blob goal is to have a temporary peace and then to use that peace to build up a larger military presence
00:11:08.200 to eventually either win a paramilitary covert war or a full-on war the next time something like this can be provoked
00:11:17.580 through another 2014-style Maidan-style coup in another kind of Russian satellite area.
00:11:27.920 But basically, the whole play here is about Eurasia, and that's what this is all about.
00:11:33.100 It's about the $75 trillion worth of natural resources inside of Russia.
00:11:38.020 It's about control over the entire Eurasian landscape.
00:11:42.980 And ultimately, it'll be about regime change inside of Russia to make that happen,
00:11:47.780 as well as the pacification of all the Russian military support
00:11:50.880 for countering many NATO commercial and political activities in Africa, in Central Asia,
00:11:59.740 and to a lesser extent—well, I wouldn't even count really Latin America anymore at this point.
00:12:06.240 So we are hearing, by the way—I wanted to just throw out, just before we went live today,
00:12:12.480 and this is what I've been saying all morning,
00:12:14.200 the White House has come out and said,
00:12:16.740 well, additional discussions are now going to be required among Ukraine, the United States,
00:12:23.120 and Russia as the countries work to hammer out this deal.
00:12:27.280 So Dan Driscoll, of course, we know, is meeting with Russian officials in Abu Dhabi right now.
00:12:33.260 Lavrov—what did Lavrov say?
00:12:35.640 It could be rejected if the terms are fundamentally different
00:12:38.620 to the understanding that was reached during the Trump-Putin summit in Alaska a few months ago.
00:12:44.040 I actually had the opportunity to attend that summit.
00:12:47.740 It was really incredible to just be there and be in the room,
00:12:50.780 at least when the meeting got started with Lavrov, etc.
00:12:53.620 And what are we also hearing?
00:12:55.560 Zelensky wants to bring the Europeans in.
00:12:57.660 And I think that's kind of what went on here,
00:12:59.320 because, Ben, you know, I think there's a lot of story here that the, you know,
00:13:04.800 we're told that Vice President J.D. Vance came in
00:13:08.700 and he's the one that really got Driscoll into the new position
00:13:12.900 as this point man for these discussions, for these negotiations.
00:13:17.860 They knew that the previous discussions had really been at loggerheads.
00:13:21.080 So he said, you know, why not send this guy over
00:13:23.560 and let's just sit down with the Russians and hammer something out.
00:13:26.520 But it seems, though, that when the Ukrainians get involved,
00:13:28.980 they always want to bring in Europe.
00:13:31.580 And when they bring in Europe, that always seems to bring in the blob as well.
00:13:35.940 Oh, completely.
00:13:37.200 I mean, if you remember that's NATO, because that's where all of NATO is.
00:13:40.340 Exactly right.
00:13:41.300 Trump is not negotiating with Ukraine on this peace deal.
00:13:46.220 He's negotiating with Great Britain and the captured, you know,
00:13:51.840 parts of France and Germany,
00:13:54.300 who sort of work themselves into Zelensky's body to negotiate for him,
00:14:00.280 because that is who is picking up the slack.
00:14:04.400 I mean, Europe is now trying to create its own army.
00:14:07.580 We just had Anders Fogh Rasmussen, the head of NATO during Obama.
00:14:11.880 I'm going to read what he tweeted this morning.
00:14:16.280 I'm now calling for Europe to deploy up to 20,000 troops
00:14:19.880 behind Ukraine's front lines,
00:14:21.840 establish an air shield with 150 combat aircraft,
00:14:24.960 and unlock frozen Russian assets, meaning seize Russian assets,
00:14:30.100 which would cause an absolute firestorm in the international markets
00:14:34.180 and make it unlikely that any sane invest,
00:14:38.380 any sane sovereign country would ever invest in Europe again,
00:14:42.480 if not directly under the barrel of a gun.
00:14:45.380 But that is the animating spirit of France, Germany, the U.K.,
00:14:53.480 to some extent Norway, the Dutch.
00:14:57.600 It's the EU, and, you know, that's Soros Town.
00:15:01.440 This is where all this Reconstruction money is coming,
00:15:04.860 apart from the U.S., which, you know,
00:15:08.140 so you basically have Democrats,
00:15:11.340 the remaining never-Trump Republicans,
00:15:13.440 and Europe warging into Zelensky's body
00:15:17.060 to tell him what to do and not to do.
00:15:20.700 And, you know, the way they've changed the terms from this deal
00:15:23.640 are just hilarious.
00:15:25.280 I mean, they, right now Ukraine is just completely subsumed
00:15:28.660 in this multi-billion-dollar corruption scandal
00:15:32.240 where they're finding $100 million and, you know,
00:15:37.260 embezzled cash, $100 million in embezzled cash,
00:15:40.920 golden toilets,
00:15:42.740 the highest levels of the Ukrainian government,
00:15:47.600 you know, from the folks in their energy ministry
00:15:50.880 to, I mean, what appear to be the second and third
00:15:55.140 in command of Zelensky himself.
00:15:57.360 Meanwhile, Ukraine has still not held a vote
00:15:59.720 in over five years.
00:16:01.260 They've canceled elections indefinitely.
00:16:04.640 That remains.
00:16:06.140 Meanwhile, it just,
00:16:07.600 I think Libernet just posted a giant tapestry
00:16:12.520 of the German censorship industrial complex,
00:16:15.080 and I was, I found it humorous
00:16:17.600 that they, one of the 330 German government-funded
00:16:22.280 censorship organizations in the report
00:16:24.020 is an institution called Radar,
00:16:26.500 which is part of the USAID censorship network.
00:16:28.960 And Radar was taking German taxpayer dollars
00:16:33.480 to monitor social media discourse in Ukraine
00:16:36.620 to stop what it called false narratives
00:16:40.220 that delegitimized the Kiev government.
00:16:44.100 So all stops are being pulled to shore up
00:16:47.300 this kind of seemingly coke-addled,
00:16:51.940 dysfunctional, corrupt government
00:16:53.660 as its corpse is propped up and marionetted
00:16:57.340 by a bunch of EU blobsters and banksters.
00:17:00.660 And one of the big, one of the big pressure points
00:17:02.700 on this is something that you've been talking about
00:17:04.880 here for years, and this came out publicly,
00:17:07.020 and you don't hear any coverage of this,
00:17:09.040 really, in the West,
00:17:09.960 that Zelensky's justice minister
00:17:12.920 and the minister of energy,
00:17:14.880 minister of justice, minister of energy,
00:17:16.140 both resigned just days ago,
00:17:19.500 like two weeks ago in Kiev
00:17:21.420 on the backs of a $100 million kickback scheme
00:17:25.820 involving, you guessed it,
00:17:27.920 the state-owned energy company
00:17:30.320 and Energo Atom,
00:17:33.980 which is actually their nuclear company.
00:17:36.080 And the ringleader of the scheme
00:17:37.160 was, of course,
00:17:38.220 one of Zelensky's close business partners.
00:17:42.220 I mean, you just can't make it up, can you?
00:17:43.800 No, you certainly can't.
00:17:45.980 But what I thought was so interesting,
00:17:47.860 and I'm just trying to pull up
00:17:48.900 the exact language here,
00:17:51.160 but the part of the original Trump proposal,
00:17:56.160 I believe, to Ukraine
00:17:57.180 was that there would be a full audit.
00:18:01.620 Part of the conditions of the deal
00:18:03.480 would be a full audit of aid money to Ukraine.
00:18:07.440 And then as the scandal unfolded,
00:18:11.040 the language was changed
00:18:12.720 to instead offer an amnesty
00:18:15.280 that essentially all crimes committed
00:18:20.580 by the Kiev government,
00:18:22.060 if they agreed to this peace deal,
00:18:25.820 would be effectively absolved or pardoned
00:18:30.120 so that there would be no
00:18:31.500 Truth and Reconciliation Committee
00:18:33.180 or transitional justice in a post-Zelensky.
00:18:36.440 So they're trying to set the stage
00:18:39.000 for terms in which the Zelensky mafia
00:18:42.560 will feel inclined to,
00:18:46.980 as part of the peace terms,
00:18:51.320 you know, go back to being something
00:18:53.340 even nominally pretending to be a democracy,
00:18:55.800 i.e. some path to holding a vote
00:18:58.280 on an election again.
00:19:00.040 But everyone knows Zelensky would lose.
00:19:02.240 And undoubtedly the successor
00:19:06.920 Justice Department or Justice Ministry
00:19:09.160 would be saddled with all of these
00:19:13.840 indictments.
00:19:14.580 And they'd have to figure out
00:19:15.560 exactly what to do.
00:19:17.580 Right back, Jack Posobiec, Mike Benz.
00:19:19.100 All right, Jack Posobiec back live
00:19:40.960 with Mike Benz.
00:19:42.140 We're talking the latest
00:19:43.040 on this Ukraine potential peace deal.
00:19:46.840 We have also heard some Macron just came out.
00:19:49.100 We're confirming that now
00:19:50.380 and said after they just held a call
00:19:53.440 with the quote unquote
00:19:54.280 coalition of the willing.
00:19:55.760 Now you remember that was who came
00:19:57.300 to the White House to meet
00:19:58.260 with President Trump and Zelensky
00:20:00.080 the day after Zelensky or excuse me,
00:20:03.240 Trump and Putin met in Anchorage, Alaska.
00:20:06.880 Now they're saying now Macron is saying
00:20:09.100 that European led security guarantees
00:20:11.860 for Kiev could involve the United States.
00:20:15.860 So Benz, what we're looking at here is
00:20:19.280 this is pushing everything
00:20:20.640 into the reconstruction
00:20:22.540 and this new potential military situation.
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00:21:36.120 Mike Benz,
00:21:37.620 what's the latest that you're hearing?
00:21:38.620 Well, you know,
00:21:42.280 as we were just talking about,
00:21:44.540 found the Wall Street Journal reporting
00:21:47.140 that in the apparent move
00:21:50.040 to expose corruption,
00:21:51.620 the initial U.S. draft
00:21:53.240 called for an audit
00:21:54.060 of all international aid Ukraine had received.
00:21:56.960 The Wall Street Journal reports
00:21:58.020 the language was changed
00:21:59.200 to say all parties will receive
00:22:00.820 full amnesty
00:22:02.120 for their actions during the war.
00:22:03.680 So instead of agreeing
00:22:05.940 to have all the international aid
00:22:07.980 Ukraine has received
00:22:08.900 be audited,
00:22:11.440 instead the apparently
00:22:12.960 the provision was changed
00:22:14.660 to say no audit
00:22:17.080 and no matter what crimes
00:22:18.460 we committed
00:22:19.000 in embezzling funds,
00:22:21.460 we're not going to be
00:22:23.320 criminally liable anyway.
00:22:24.800 So that's fine.
00:22:25.680 So Ukraine changed
00:22:26.920 one of the 20 through 28 provisions
00:22:29.260 that was talking
00:22:31.580 for an international audit
00:22:33.160 of the of all the funds
00:22:34.480 that came in
00:22:35.220 that it's not going
00:22:36.540 to be an audit.
00:22:37.220 It's in fact going
00:22:38.120 to be an amnesty
00:22:40.300 for any which which,
00:22:42.820 you know,
00:22:43.160 and by the way,
00:22:43.660 amnesty is something
00:22:44.340 that you you receive
00:22:45.620 for crime.
00:22:46.760 It's not something
00:22:47.560 that you receive
00:22:48.200 for, you know,
00:22:49.520 benevolent acts
00:22:50.980 or acts of charity.
00:22:52.060 No, it's it's amnesty
00:22:53.060 is something or a pardon
00:22:54.000 is something you receive
00:22:54.740 for committing a crime.
00:22:57.080 Right.
00:22:57.340 Well, this is I mean,
00:22:58.640 this is just so thematic,
00:22:59.900 right?
00:23:00.260 I mean, this is like
00:23:01.860 remember when they tried
00:23:02.680 to sell the Ukraine aid
00:23:04.160 as being,
00:23:05.580 oh, it's we're no longer
00:23:07.340 just giving unconditional
00:23:08.740 no strings attached grants
00:23:10.940 to Ukraine.
00:23:11.740 We're going to make them loans.
00:23:14.160 It was an investment.
00:23:15.360 We were going to make money
00:23:16.120 off of it.
00:23:16.700 Forgivable at any time
00:23:17.560 and have no interest
00:23:18.820 and no maturity date
00:23:20.080 and are forgivable on demand.
00:23:22.080 Like it's it's.
00:23:24.100 Here's here's something
00:23:25.140 we should actually think
00:23:26.040 about is.
00:23:28.860 And just in a true sense
00:23:30.780 is the government
00:23:32.140 of Ukraine and the economy,
00:23:35.240 whatever economy
00:23:36.340 is left of Ukraine,
00:23:37.400 does it actually resemble
00:23:38.900 a real government
00:23:40.840 and a real country's
00:23:42.960 you know, administration?
00:23:45.400 Or does this this seems
00:23:46.680 to me like like they're
00:23:47.800 like one of these subcontractors
00:23:49.420 that USAID would be working
00:23:51.040 with and one of these
00:23:51.800 like shady groups.
00:23:52.880 They don't seem like
00:23:53.640 a real government at all.
00:23:55.100 Right.
00:23:55.660 And remember,
00:23:56.360 one of the leading figures
00:23:58.220 within Ukrainian state media
00:24:00.860 said after USAID shutdown
00:24:03.760 or the shutdown was initiated
00:24:06.380 that this would devastate
00:24:07.940 Ukraine's media
00:24:08.760 because over 90 percent
00:24:10.960 of Ukraine's media institutions
00:24:13.200 and outlets were funded
00:24:14.600 directly by USAID.
00:24:17.300 So 90 percent of Ukraine's media
00:24:19.480 was funded by USAID,
00:24:20.980 including the Kiev independent,
00:24:23.160 very independent.
00:24:25.100 But that what's what's
00:24:27.720 there's now this mad.
00:24:28.700 I mean, it's important
00:24:29.240 to remember the stakes.
00:24:30.520 Ukraine sits on 14 trillion dollars
00:24:32.540 worth of natural resources
00:24:33.880 between the the shale,
00:24:36.700 the petroleum,
00:24:38.280 the rare earth minerals.
00:24:40.500 And so there is what's
00:24:43.780 what's 300 billion dollars
00:24:45.480 in taxpayer money
00:24:46.440 for a 14 trillion dollar
00:24:48.040 potential reward.
00:24:49.500 That's kind of the thought process.
00:24:51.460 Of course,
00:24:51.980 we're not going to get
00:24:52.720 our 300 billion dollars back.
00:24:54.420 That is basically subsidized
00:24:56.780 subsidized the R&D capital
00:25:02.460 for you might say
00:25:04.280 for military industrial complex
00:25:06.820 contractors,
00:25:08.280 big mining companies,
00:25:10.560 big gas giants,
00:25:12.040 you know,
00:25:14.280 and big agriculture companies.
00:25:16.600 And that is that's what's happening.
00:25:18.900 Ukraine is being
00:25:19.980 is being put through shock therapy
00:25:21.680 while it is firing off
00:25:24.040 the machine guns like a madman.
00:25:25.920 It is convulsing
00:25:28.820 at the biological
00:25:30.360 and cellular level
00:25:31.880 as it is being sold off
00:25:34.380 nucleus by nucleus,
00:25:36.920 every cell to another
00:25:38.360 Wall Street and London trading firm.
00:25:41.440 This is what's been happening now.
00:25:43.820 And that's and that's,
00:25:44.860 by the way,
00:25:45.360 and just just our final minute,
00:25:46.600 that's that is why
00:25:48.020 there's so much language in here
00:25:49.400 about the reconstruction,
00:25:50.680 who's paying for it,
00:25:52.220 they're using these
00:25:52.880 frozen Russian assets,
00:25:54.280 but then also who benefits
00:25:56.420 from the reconstruction
00:25:57.580 as well, isn't it?
00:25:59.420 Yeah, well, it is.
00:26:00.340 And this is where I come back
00:26:01.540 to how this impacts things
00:26:03.160 at home.
00:26:04.000 We that the special envoy
00:26:05.940 for Ukraine reconstruction
00:26:07.240 under the Biden administration
00:26:09.420 was none other than
00:26:10.460 Penny Pritzker,
00:26:11.460 Penny Pritzker,
00:26:12.300 who was the sponsor
00:26:13.880 of Barack Obama's
00:26:15.400 Senate career
00:26:17.060 before he became president,
00:26:18.560 then became Barack Obama's
00:26:19.760 commerce secretary
00:26:20.980 and now manages
00:26:22.460 the entire Harvard endowment,
00:26:25.180 the $56 billion
00:26:26.120 Harvard endowment fund
00:26:27.880 while simultaneously
00:26:28.840 running Ukraine reconstruction.
00:26:32.340 Harvard very famously
00:26:34.140 invested in and pilfered
00:26:36.420 Russian state assets
00:26:38.240 when it was paid by USAID,
00:26:41.140 I think $350 million
00:26:42.220 it got from USAID,
00:26:44.460 the Harvard Institute
00:26:45.160 for International Development
00:26:46.100 under Jeffrey Sachs
00:26:47.120 and Larry Summers.
00:26:48.140 And then they did it again
00:26:49.520 in Ukraine in the 1990s,
00:26:51.120 and I'm sure they're doing it here,
00:26:53.020 which is why I have been calling
00:26:54.720 repeatedly for this administration
00:26:57.240 to condition all federal grants
00:27:00.720 to all universities
00:27:02.120 on total transparency
00:27:04.460 about the investment activities
00:27:07.140 of private endowments.
00:27:08.860 If you're going to qualify
00:27:09.880 for $1 of federal government grants,
00:27:12.180 we need to see every investment
00:27:14.560 that endowment is making
00:27:16.920 so we know whether or not
00:27:18.560 what people are being taught
00:27:19.840 at Harvard is actually...
00:27:21.180 So give them a follow, folks.
00:27:22.200 Mike Benz,
00:27:22.820 Mike Benz Cyber.
00:27:24.560 Take care, Mike.
00:27:25.380 Where is Jack?
00:27:27.460 Where is Jack?
00:27:28.660 Where is he?
00:27:31.160 Jack, I want to see you.
00:27:34.800 Great job, Jack.
00:27:36.240 Thank you.
00:27:36.980 What a job you do.
00:27:38.420 You know, we have an incredible thing.
00:27:39.820 We're always talking about
00:27:40.640 the fake news and the bad,
00:27:42.120 but we have guys,
00:27:43.500 and these are the guys
00:27:44.520 who should be getting policies.
00:27:48.340 All right, Jack Posobiec,
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00:29:01.100 All right, folks,
00:29:01.620 we got Will Chamberlain
00:29:02.980 coming up next.
00:29:03.880 Article 3 Project.
00:29:05.460 Will,
00:29:06.280 this story broke
00:29:08.140 right as the show
00:29:09.560 was going live yesterday
00:29:12.000 and I was thinking
00:29:14.060 we need a lawyer
00:29:14.680 when I had like two minutes
00:29:16.740 I was going to try
00:29:17.740 to book you
00:29:18.460 but you know
00:29:19.140 you're a little busy
00:29:19.860 for us yesterday
00:29:20.600 but apparently
00:29:21.160 you weren't too busy
00:29:21.940 to go on The War Room
00:29:22.920 with Steve Bannon
00:29:23.600 were you, Will?
00:29:25.400 No, I was very happy
00:29:26.460 to go on The War Room
00:29:27.180 with Steve Bannon
00:29:27.640 but I really should have
00:29:28.300 gone on with you
00:29:28.780 because Steve decided
00:29:29.920 to play 10 minutes
00:29:31.460 of MSNBC clips
00:29:32.780 which really was
00:29:33.800 just gratuitous
00:29:34.960 and unnecessary
00:29:35.540 for a first-time guest.
00:29:36.680 He tortures his audience
00:29:38.540 through this every day
00:29:39.980 and he says
00:29:40.520 I'm just trying
00:29:41.100 to toughen you up.
00:29:42.320 I'm just trying
00:29:42.820 to toughen you up.
00:29:43.580 You gotta get used to it.
00:29:44.680 You gotta get stronger.
00:29:46.420 So he's working
00:29:47.820 over his forces
00:29:48.700 but yes,
00:29:49.260 I've had to endure
00:29:50.140 those many, many times
00:29:51.520 and you had to endure
00:29:52.960 the Co-Pure commercial read
00:29:54.840 which really wasn't
00:29:55.600 really all that bad at all.
00:29:56.500 It's really nice
00:29:57.320 with Tanya Loves.
00:29:57.960 It's a lot nicer
00:29:58.420 than James Comey's visage.
00:30:00.100 Are you kidding?
00:30:00.700 I'd listen to 50-hour reads
00:30:02.020 before I listen to a minute of Comey.
00:30:04.220 So walk us through though
00:30:05.380 by the way
00:30:05.780 it makes a great Christmas gift.
00:30:07.720 Walk us through though
00:30:08.940 this whole contention
00:30:10.280 about
00:30:10.740 because it really seems to me
00:30:11.880 and I haven't gone through
00:30:12.940 obviously the law
00:30:13.980 like you have
00:30:14.720 the appointment
00:30:15.940 of Lindsay Halligan.
00:30:17.600 That seems to be
00:30:18.760 what
00:30:19.560 what this judge
00:30:21.020 in Virginia
00:30:21.700 is hanging
00:30:22.400 all of this on.
00:30:24.220 That's something
00:30:24.920 where
00:30:25.460 of course
00:30:25.920 I remember
00:30:26.440 a number of people
00:30:27.880 made this
00:30:28.400 similar argument
00:30:29.280 regarding Jack Smith
00:30:30.440 but that was because
00:30:31.520 he was a special counsel.
00:30:33.240 She's not a special counsel.
00:30:34.480 She's a U.S. attorney
00:30:35.460 which is a routine position.
00:30:37.160 So Will
00:30:37.680 the floor is yours.
00:30:39.540 Yeah
00:30:40.060 so you've
00:30:40.520 you've highlighted
00:30:41.020 an interesting distinction
00:30:42.220 which is
00:30:43.080 special counsels
00:30:44.560 also have to
00:30:45.360 are inferior officers
00:30:46.540 most likely
00:30:47.340 just like
00:30:48.020 U.S. attorneys
00:30:48.900 and for inferior officers
00:30:50.720 there's a number of ways
00:30:51.620 to confirm them
00:30:52.360 or appoint them.
00:30:53.660 You can
00:30:54.360 go through
00:30:55.540 the normal
00:30:56.040 presidential
00:30:56.620 advice and consent
00:30:57.800 process with the Senate
00:30:58.720 or
00:30:59.740 the Congress
00:31:01.120 can
00:31:01.400 by statute
00:31:02.560 create a method
00:31:03.820 for you
00:31:04.600 to be appointed
00:31:05.720 to a particular position
00:31:06.600 and that's what happens
00:31:07.500 with these interim U.S. attorneys.
00:31:09.920 There's a statute
00:31:11.000 I believe it's 28 U.S.C.
00:31:13.560 or it's either 18 or 28
00:31:14.680 I forget off the top of my head
00:31:15.920 456
00:31:16.980 that deals with
00:31:18.980 how these vacancies work
00:31:20.060 and so
00:31:20.440 it's a kind of
00:31:21.540 poorly worded
00:31:22.660 a little bit
00:31:23.380 ambiguous statute
00:31:24.540 honestly
00:31:25.000 but
00:31:25.360 the best reading of it
00:31:27.200 is that
00:31:28.180 it basically gives
00:31:29.320 the attorney general
00:31:30.180 the ability to appoint
00:31:31.540 interim U.S. attorneys
00:31:32.640 for 120 day periods
00:31:34.180 whenever there's a vacancy
00:31:35.700 and it also gives
00:31:37.400 concurrent authority
00:31:38.320 to the local district
00:31:40.000 court to do so
00:31:40.720 in the event
00:31:41.160 that the political branches
00:31:42.140 for whatever reason
00:31:43.340 can't get their act together
00:31:44.240 and make an appointment
00:31:44.980 but that
00:31:46.880 that authority
00:31:48.080 should be understood
00:31:49.380 as concurrent
00:31:50.240 it's not exclusive
00:31:51.620 and there's a couple
00:31:52.840 reasons why
00:31:53.400 I mean first off
00:31:54.040 the language of the statute
00:31:54.980 is pretty clear
00:31:56.340 by its terms
00:31:56.900 there's only one exception
00:31:57.880 to the attorney general's
00:31:58.980 authority
00:31:59.320 and that is
00:31:59.820 that they're not allowed
00:32:00.780 to appoint people
00:32:01.600 who have been
00:32:02.580 affirmatively rejected
00:32:03.640 by the Senate
00:32:04.180 and then the second reason
00:32:06.040 that's the appropriate reading
00:32:07.220 is because
00:32:07.720 there's a major
00:32:08.580 constitutional problem
00:32:09.740 with saying
00:32:10.280 that the only way
00:32:11.600 to appoint
00:32:13.540 an executive branch official
00:32:14.820 or the only people
00:32:15.720 that can appoint
00:32:16.300 an executive branch official
00:32:17.360 are district court judges
00:32:18.860 that gives
00:32:19.500 article three judges
00:32:20.700 the power
00:32:21.200 to appoint article two
00:32:22.700 officials
00:32:24.100 and not just any power
00:32:25.500 but the exclusive power
00:32:26.980 so that's
00:32:27.920 every time
00:32:28.700 we've been seeing
00:32:29.580 over the last year
00:32:30.300 where there have been
00:32:31.040 attempts to defend
00:32:32.220 independent agencies
00:32:33.040 from presidential
00:32:33.700 supervision
00:32:34.180 those attempts
00:32:34.680 have failed
00:32:35.240 and
00:32:36.340 Congress just can't
00:32:38.460 pass statutes
00:32:39.320 that vest
00:32:40.220 article two
00:32:40.960 appointment authority
00:32:41.840 exclusively
00:32:42.640 in entities
00:32:45.000 that aren't
00:32:45.400 the presidency
00:32:45.940 so when this
00:32:48.560 when this comes down
00:32:49.340 to it
00:32:49.580 there was an interim
00:32:50.500 there was an interim
00:32:51.720 vacancy
00:32:52.260 and they went
00:32:53.900 and appointed
00:32:54.480 Lindsay Halligan
00:32:55.280 was this done
00:32:56.220 so Will
00:32:57.000 in your reading
00:32:57.980 was this lawful
00:32:58.720 yeah in my reading
00:33:00.000 this was absolutely
00:33:00.740 lawful
00:33:01.160 and the government
00:33:02.680 put out
00:33:03.220 a very very good
00:33:03.960 brief on this subject
00:33:04.780 I thought that was
00:33:05.680 very very clear
00:33:06.400 in terms of explaining
00:33:07.220 what the language was
00:33:08.240 the alternative view
00:33:12.060 requires a very very
00:33:13.240 aggressive reading
00:33:14.160 of the statute
00:33:14.780 that effectively requires
00:33:15.860 reading exclusivity
00:33:17.360 exclusive words
00:33:18.600 like only
00:33:19.340 or you know
00:33:20.920 the only way
00:33:21.640 to apply
00:33:22.020 those words
00:33:22.720 just don't appear
00:33:23.200 in the statute
00:33:23.780 and by its term
00:33:25.880 subsection A
00:33:26.580 of that statute
00:33:28.080 is just
00:33:28.620 it's really clear
00:33:29.440 on its terms
00:33:29.960 if there's a vacancy
00:33:31.220 the attorney general
00:33:32.220 can make an interim
00:33:32.840 appointment period
00:33:33.700 Will would you
00:33:35.220 would you kind of
00:33:35.880 refer to that
00:33:36.460 as maybe
00:33:36.880 oh I don't know
00:33:37.700 a Weissman reading
00:33:38.800 of the statute
00:33:39.500 a Weissman reading
00:33:41.220 of the statute
00:33:41.640 yes and it's
00:33:42.220 it's weird
00:33:42.580 because to be fair
00:33:43.800 there's a lot
00:33:44.440 of district judges
00:33:45.040 who have made
00:33:45.440 this mistake
00:33:46.020 but if we've learned
00:33:46.940 anything from
00:33:47.420 the last year or so
00:33:48.400 is that district judges
00:33:49.560 ruling against
00:33:50.120 the Trump administration
00:33:50.960 is not something
00:33:51.940 that tends to stick
00:33:53.700 when the administration
00:33:54.980 decides to appeal
00:33:55.940 there's something
00:33:56.360 like a 92%
00:33:57.660 success rating
00:33:58.680 of the Supreme Court
00:33:59.360 which is unprecedented
00:34:00.320 unprecedented
00:34:01.280 for an administration
00:34:02.160 to be doing this well
00:34:03.000 and that's because
00:34:03.580 district judges
00:34:04.240 are aggressively
00:34:05.340 trying to find ways
00:34:06.520 to thwart the actions
00:34:08.340 of the Trump administration
00:34:09.300 and this is the most
00:34:10.100 classic example
00:34:10.920 you know James Comey
00:34:12.100 has a lot of relationships
00:34:13.060 in the eastern district
00:34:13.820 of Virginia
00:34:14.340 and elsewhere
00:34:15.000 he has a lot of relationships
00:34:16.320 among democratic politicians
00:34:17.500 they're very upset
00:34:18.340 that he's being indicted
00:34:19.240 for perjuring himself
00:34:20.300 in front of Congress
00:34:21.080 and they're going to
00:34:22.440 pull out all the stops
00:34:23.180 to try and stop
00:34:23.880 the indictment
00:34:24.580 it's one of the reasons
00:34:25.640 that you know
00:34:26.620 people are often
00:34:27.420 can be frustrated
00:34:28.080 that things don't happen
00:34:28.920 more quickly
00:34:29.400 but this is a classic
00:34:30.700 example of
00:34:31.620 even when
00:34:32.640 the administration
00:34:33.500 does things properly
00:34:34.480 there are a whole bunch
00:34:35.220 of roadblocks
00:34:35.820 put in their way
00:34:36.560 so it's really important
00:34:38.280 that to the extent
00:34:39.300 they can
00:34:39.820 they cross their eyes
00:34:40.620 and dot their teeth
00:34:41.120 or dot
00:34:41.740 cross their teeth
00:34:42.440 and dot their eyes
00:34:42.980 well and this is what
00:34:46.300 they're going to do
00:34:47.020 and the reason I refer
00:34:48.020 to Weissman readings
00:34:48.860 is because we know
00:34:49.940 that this is
00:34:50.540 and I remember you
00:34:51.940 conducting this incredible
00:34:53.240 analysis of the
00:34:54.360 obstruction statute
00:34:55.260 when Weissman was
00:34:56.940 trying to urge
00:34:57.800 and when he ran
00:34:58.400 the Mueller investigation
00:34:59.200 and he's now on
00:35:00.000 MSNBC all the time
00:35:01.200 he's constantly
00:35:02.180 trying to find ways
00:35:03.660 this is like his
00:35:04.540 his one trick
00:35:05.540 in a sense
00:35:06.020 he's constantly
00:35:06.900 trying to find ways
00:35:08.020 to twist statutes
00:35:09.360 into readings
00:35:11.060 that don't actually
00:35:12.520 fit the
00:35:13.600 plain text reading
00:35:15.200 or the common sense
00:35:16.720 reading of the words
00:35:18.200 and use them
00:35:19.680 then in effect
00:35:20.900 to block
00:35:21.540 whatever Trump is doing
00:35:22.500 or in the previous case
00:35:23.880 of Mueller
00:35:24.780 actually
00:35:25.340 launch an indictment
00:35:27.260 of the sitting president
00:35:28.080 of the United States
00:35:29.240 or at least
00:35:29.700 urge
00:35:30.280 urge an indictment
00:35:31.400 that would you know
00:35:31.900 turn into an impeachment
00:35:33.500 but it's
00:35:33.960 it's always sort of
00:35:34.840 this one trick
00:35:35.640 isn't it
00:35:36.040 yeah
00:35:37.460 it's a very
00:35:38.140 aggressive
00:35:38.640 liberal lawyering
00:35:40.020 is the one trick
00:35:41.720 right
00:35:42.040 and it's aggressive
00:35:42.700 statutory interpretation
00:35:43.900 novel statutory interpretation
00:35:45.660 the novel use of statutes
00:35:47.960 you know
00:35:48.200 one of the really
00:35:48.640 interesting thing
00:35:49.340 things here
00:35:50.160 is that
00:35:50.620 you know
00:35:51.480 we talked about
00:35:52.000 this endlessly
00:35:52.540 during the Biden
00:35:53.820 administration
00:35:54.200 when they were
00:35:54.600 going after Trump
00:35:55.340 how aggressively
00:35:56.240 they were interpreting
00:35:57.780 1512 subsection C2
00:36:00.480 to try and expand
00:36:02.080 this catch-all
00:36:02.760 obstruction statute
00:36:03.620 into something
00:36:04.200 that encompassed
00:36:04.960 what the president
00:36:05.500 did on January 6th
00:36:07.120 and it's an obstruction
00:36:08.040 of justice statute
00:36:08.700 so this is about
00:36:09.400 the destruction
00:36:10.020 of evidence
00:36:10.460 it's not about
00:36:11.180 stopping you know
00:36:13.060 the count in the
00:36:14.580 the electoral college count
00:36:16.060 so that's
00:36:17.360 this is yet another
00:36:18.220 example of that
00:36:19.120 where
00:36:19.420 but it's
00:36:19.920 now it's going
00:36:20.440 the other direction
00:36:21.260 in the sense
00:36:21.820 that before
00:36:22.260 they were trying
00:36:22.860 to interpret
00:36:24.060 statutes in a novel way
00:36:25.680 in order to expand
00:36:26.800 prosecutorial authority
00:36:27.760 now that
00:36:28.340 the Republicans
00:36:29.500 are in control of it
00:36:30.140 they're coming up
00:36:30.840 with these novel
00:36:31.540 and eccentric
00:36:32.360 interpretations of statutes
00:36:33.580 to constrain
00:36:34.160 prosecutorial authority
00:36:35.200 constrain prosecutorial
00:36:36.420 authority
00:36:36.980 which is amazing
00:36:38.200 so so the Weissman
00:36:40.060 standard is
00:36:41.380 depends on what
00:36:42.240 side of the football
00:36:42.860 he's on
00:36:43.480 in one case
00:36:44.380 oh the prosecutor
00:36:45.340 should be able
00:36:45.720 to do whatever
00:36:46.140 he wants
00:36:46.520 but now
00:36:46.960 now that Lindsay
00:36:47.820 Halligan is the prosecutor
00:36:48.880 oh no
00:36:49.540 we have to constrain
00:36:50.480 prosecutorial authority
00:36:51.760 think of our standing
00:36:52.820 as a you know
00:36:53.640 as a free republic
00:36:54.700 and I mean
00:36:55.300 my gosh
00:36:55.880 if we just allowed
00:36:56.420 these prosecutors
00:36:57.080 to do whatever
00:36:57.880 they want
00:36:58.140 it's really amazing
00:36:58.820 when you think about it
00:36:59.560 you'd be forgiven
00:37:00.640 for thinking
00:37:01.180 that the entire game
00:37:02.060 of progressive lawyering
00:37:03.040 is Calvin Ball
00:37:03.800 you would be forgiven
00:37:04.680 for thinking that
00:37:05.380 that's basically
00:37:06.000 what we're dealing with
00:37:06.860 Will for those
00:37:07.700 who don't know
00:37:08.100 what is Calvin Ball
00:37:08.940 oh Calvin Ball
00:37:10.060 is a cartoon
00:37:11.360 I mean I guess
00:37:12.060 I'm showing my age
00:37:12.860 right because we
00:37:13.540 we had Calvin and Hobbes
00:37:14.520 when we were kids
00:37:15.160 but Calvin and Hobbes
00:37:15.920 is a great cartoon
00:37:16.700 and Calvin Ball
00:37:17.400 is the famous game
00:37:18.340 that is come up
00:37:19.280 with by Calvin
00:37:19.800 which is just
00:37:20.320 basically whatever rule
00:37:21.380 he can make up
00:37:22.020 any rules he wants
00:37:22.840 to at any time
00:37:23.540 and it always ensures
00:37:24.640 that he wins the game
00:37:25.400 no matter what
00:37:25.960 that being said
00:37:27.320 anyone who's
00:37:28.840 got small children
00:37:30.100 knows Calvin Ball
00:37:31.040 because that's exactly
00:37:32.000 how my kids play
00:37:33.120 pretty much every
00:37:33.980 single game
00:37:34.860 that I come up with
00:37:36.100 or they come up with
00:37:37.180 they say daddy
00:37:37.660 let's play this game
00:37:38.760 and then we're playing
00:37:39.380 and I say
00:37:39.720 well that's against the rules
00:37:40.680 oh no there's actually
00:37:41.700 a rule that you don't
00:37:42.340 know about
00:37:42.820 oh really
00:37:43.440 right so that's
00:37:44.640 as crazy as this is
00:37:46.480 folks
00:37:46.740 and you know
00:37:47.480 we're laughing
00:37:47.920 but it's ridiculous
00:37:50.080 what they're doing
00:37:50.940 to our system
00:37:51.560 because you have
00:37:52.240 actual judges
00:37:53.600 will sit there
00:37:54.580 and play these
00:37:55.260 mental gymnastic games
00:37:56.720 while presiding
00:37:58.360 over the destruction
00:37:59.460 of our country
00:38:00.160 and running roughshod
00:38:01.680 over the actual
00:38:03.140 system of justice
00:38:04.780 Jack Prasovic
00:38:05.400 Will Chamberlain
00:38:06.000 will be right back
00:38:06.700 here at Human Events Daily
00:38:07.520 Jack is a great guy
00:38:18.160 he's written a fantastic book
00:38:19.780 everybody's talking about it
00:38:21.120 go get it
00:38:21.720 and he's been my friend
00:38:23.220 right from the beginning
00:38:24.160 of this whole beautiful event
00:38:25.780 and we're going to turn it around
00:38:27.580 to make our country
00:38:28.520 great to get to him
00:38:29.340 amen
00:38:29.800 all right Jack Prasovic
00:38:33.920 we're back
00:38:34.480 with Will Chamberlain
00:38:36.400 lawyer for the
00:38:38.320 senior attorney
00:38:39.080 for the article 3 project
00:38:40.440 Will
00:38:40.800 the other piece
00:38:41.720 that I wanted to get in
00:38:42.520 with you
00:38:42.960 is this situation
00:38:44.900 regarding the uniform code
00:38:46.140 of military justice
00:38:47.200 and the fact
00:38:48.400 that Senator Mark Kelly
00:38:49.760 himself a retired
00:38:50.760 United States Navy
00:38:51.700 captain
00:38:52.200 in 06
00:38:52.920 equivalent to a colonel
00:38:54.000 in the Army
00:38:55.640 or Marine Corps
00:38:56.640 is supposedly now
00:38:58.560 under investigation
00:38:59.540 by the Pentagon
00:39:00.360 now this is something
00:39:01.460 where and I'll just say
00:39:02.400 as having been a military
00:39:04.300 both enlisted
00:39:05.280 and an officer
00:39:06.060 that the UCMJ
00:39:08.140 is something
00:39:09.020 that's explained to you
00:39:09.960 day one
00:39:10.980 this isn't some gotcha
00:39:11.960 this isn't Calvin Ball
00:39:13.080 and you also know
00:39:14.140 that if you retire
00:39:15.020 and you take that pension
00:39:17.080 if you're getting those checks
00:39:18.140 then you are still
00:39:20.460 subject to
00:39:21.840 the uniform code
00:39:22.940 of military justice
00:39:24.360 so Will
00:39:24.860 looking at it
00:39:25.760 from that perspective
00:39:26.660 this idea
00:39:27.320 of whether or not
00:39:29.080 his comments
00:39:30.540 and actions
00:39:31.320 do actually form
00:39:32.680 the basis
00:39:33.120 for a sedition charge
00:39:34.740 in a court martial
00:39:36.440 which is different
00:39:37.220 from a civilian court
00:39:38.320 do you think
00:39:39.600 that potentially
00:39:40.400 the government
00:39:40.920 would have a case here?
00:39:42.940 Yeah I mean
00:39:43.400 you know
00:39:44.140 my understanding
00:39:44.880 and you might actually
00:39:45.780 know a little bit more
00:39:46.500 about military law
00:39:47.220 than I do
00:39:47.620 because you were so
00:39:48.420 deeply ingrained in it
00:39:49.640 but
00:39:49.900 that you're not allowed
00:39:53.300 to do things
00:39:53.720 that knowingly
00:39:54.260 undermine good order
00:39:54.920 and discipline
00:39:55.380 is my understanding
00:39:56.340 and it's hard to imagine
00:39:57.580 something that could
00:39:58.420 undermine good order
00:39:59.240 and discipline
00:39:59.640 more than to
00:40:00.600 insinuate
00:40:01.800 that they're unlawful
00:40:03.020 Believe it or not
00:40:04.400 actually just to
00:40:05.180 give you the
00:40:06.540 lanes here
00:40:07.680 that's an entirely
00:40:09.260 separate statute
00:40:10.240 so there's an article
00:40:11.640 for good order
00:40:12.300 and discipline
00:40:12.700 134
00:40:13.320 this is like
00:40:13.740 your general catch-all
00:40:14.580 there's article 92
00:40:15.640 which involves
00:40:16.380 insubordination
00:40:17.640 and then there is
00:40:18.800 of course
00:40:19.280 the sedition
00:40:21.440 I had this
00:40:23.240 pulled up a minute ago
00:40:24.060 the actual sedition
00:40:25.040 article itself
00:40:25.880 so I mean
00:40:26.360 there's quite a few
00:40:28.040 articles that
00:40:28.920 cover this
00:40:29.800 and then for a lot
00:40:30.760 of people
00:40:31.100 not understanding
00:40:32.100 if you take
00:40:33.480 the pension
00:40:34.040 you are still
00:40:35.100 considered subject
00:40:36.440 to the Uniform Code
00:40:37.660 of Military Justice
00:40:38.660 Right
00:40:39.900 and it's like
00:40:40.720 we shouldn't have
00:40:41.680 retired senior
00:40:42.740 military officers
00:40:43.540 who hold the esteem
00:40:44.920 of being retired
00:40:45.820 senior military officers
00:40:46.980 saying things
00:40:48.280 that undermine
00:40:48.940 the good order
00:40:49.580 and discipline
00:40:50.080 of the army
00:40:50.780 I mean
00:40:51.940 the fact that
00:40:53.020 military service
00:40:54.240 members can't
00:40:55.200 obey unlawful orders
00:40:56.140 or shouldn't obey
00:40:56.760 is drilled into them
00:40:57.680 from the beginning
00:40:58.360 but it's drilled into them
00:40:59.860 in the context
00:41:00.560 of the fact that
00:41:01.260 they need to presume
00:41:02.240 that orders are lawful
00:41:03.400 and that they need
00:41:04.660 to obey their superiors
00:41:06.360 and that insubordination
00:41:07.400 is punished as well
00:41:08.440 so when you have
00:41:09.500 six senators
00:41:10.080 getting up there
00:41:10.820 drilling in
00:41:11.720 the sort of opposite message
00:41:12.900 you must not follow
00:41:14.400 unlawful orders
00:41:15.160 while not being able
00:41:16.300 to identify
00:41:16.760 a single unlawful order
00:41:17.840 that's been issued
00:41:18.600 everybody understands
00:41:20.940 what you're doing
00:41:21.560 everybody understands
00:41:22.500 that you're trying
00:41:23.080 to foment
00:41:23.820 discontent
00:41:25.260 and insubordination
00:41:26.920 in the military
00:41:27.580 which is something
00:41:28.680 that you're prohibited
00:41:29.380 from doing
00:41:30.080 something that Captain
00:41:30.880 Mark Kelly
00:41:31.240 is prohibited
00:41:31.700 from doing
00:41:32.160 and should know better
00:41:33.100 no and it's something
00:41:36.400 by the way
00:41:36.780 when you mentioned
00:41:37.300 he should know better
00:41:38.120 this is something
00:41:39.280 that look
00:41:40.480 if a member
00:41:41.900 of the military
00:41:42.580 did this
00:41:43.420 while they were serving
00:41:44.820 you know I should say
00:41:45.780 you know a regular
00:41:46.700 member of the military
00:41:47.620 someone who's not
00:41:48.520 you know a famous
00:41:49.640 Democrat
00:41:50.100 who takes selfies
00:41:51.580 with Alex Soros
00:41:53.140 and who's invested
00:41:54.340 in Chinese spy
00:41:55.540 balloon companies
00:41:56.500 right
00:41:57.100 if you did
00:41:58.400 something like this
00:41:59.440 then you would
00:42:00.540 absolutely be
00:42:01.840 you would either
00:42:02.540 be brought to the
00:42:03.440 captain's mast
00:42:04.080 in the Navy
00:42:04.520 which is something
00:42:05.020 we have for
00:42:05.540 extraditional punishment
00:42:06.460 and as an officer
00:42:08.420 in high standing
00:42:09.300 like an 06
00:42:10.300 as he is
00:42:11.760 and continues
00:42:12.980 to be
00:42:13.360 by the way
00:42:13.820 because he's
00:42:14.340 receiving a retirement
00:42:15.120 retirement pension
00:42:16.860 commensurate with his
00:42:17.920 rank
00:42:18.420 then yes
00:42:19.380 he absolutely
00:42:20.400 should face
00:42:21.420 something like this
00:42:22.200 and it's not about
00:42:23.140 necessarily punishing
00:42:24.820 Mark Kelly
00:42:25.780 it's about
00:42:26.600 upholding
00:42:27.960 a broad standard
00:42:29.240 for the entire
00:42:29.880 military
00:42:30.300 as an armed
00:42:31.380 forces discipline
00:42:32.300 yeah like
00:42:34.340 you don't play games
00:42:35.380 with insubordination
00:42:36.340 in any military
00:42:37.480 it's the most
00:42:38.520 basic idea
00:42:39.420 that you
00:42:39.820 I mean
00:42:40.420 my whole understanding
00:42:41.220 of you know
00:42:41.840 I didn't go through
00:42:42.300 boot camp
00:42:42.640 but you did
00:42:43.160 but the whole
00:42:43.540 my whole understanding
00:42:44.360 of the point
00:42:44.720 of boot camp
00:42:45.160 is to sort of
00:42:45.700 drill into you
00:42:46.240 that your job
00:42:46.820 is to say yes sir
00:42:47.780 when you're given
00:42:48.260 an order
00:42:48.660 among many other things
00:42:50.220 so the last thing
00:42:51.980 we should be doing
00:42:52.740 is like
00:42:53.340 aggressively
00:42:54.280 making subordinates
00:42:56.000 question whether
00:42:57.220 they're being given
00:42:58.440 lawful or unlawful
00:42:59.280 orders constantly
00:43:00.040 like that's
00:43:00.940 you know
00:43:01.240 unlawful orders
00:43:02.260 should be a giant
00:43:03.000 bright glaring red light
00:43:04.420 that is almost
00:43:05.240 almost never happens
00:43:06.640 is not going to happen
00:43:08.140 to the vast majority
00:43:08.900 of service members
00:43:09.840 ever
00:43:10.280 if not any
00:43:11.540 you know
00:43:11.940 the complete
00:43:13.500 vast majority
00:43:14.300 and so
00:43:15.640 for you know
00:43:16.680 for these six senators
00:43:17.460 to just be coming up
00:43:18.400 with this out of nowhere
00:43:19.460 and randomly like
00:43:20.660 and this
00:43:21.200 the strong insinuation
00:43:22.300 of those grave faces
00:43:23.640 like they're
00:43:24.700 they're really deeply
00:43:25.440 insinuating
00:43:25.940 that there are
00:43:26.520 unlawful orders
00:43:27.120 coming from
00:43:27.500 president trump
00:43:27.960 right now
00:43:28.300 but it's irresponsible
00:43:29.560 for them to do that
00:43:30.200 if they can't point
00:43:30.780 to anything
00:43:31.140 that they think
00:43:31.600 is unlawful
00:43:32.180 right
00:43:34.000 and so
00:43:34.460 that's exactly
00:43:35.620 what it's supposed to be
00:43:36.480 and this whole idea
00:43:37.480 of you know
00:43:38.400 oh you must disobey
00:43:39.640 unlawful orders
00:43:40.460 no you know
00:43:41.060 we know what you're doing
00:43:42.000 and we know exactly
00:43:43.540 what you're doing
00:43:44.000 you're not
00:43:44.340 you're not
00:43:44.820 you know
00:43:45.400 you're not being coy
00:43:46.520 you're not being clever
00:43:47.520 it's very obvious
00:43:48.420 and for me
00:43:49.800 I think that
00:43:51.000 when I saw this
00:43:52.200 come out in the first place
00:43:53.360 I recognized
00:43:54.560 the democrat plan
00:43:56.100 from all the way back
00:43:56.960 in 2019
00:43:57.600 the original impeachment
00:43:59.120 of president trump
00:43:59.940 which started
00:44:00.580 with a member
00:44:01.740 of the military
00:44:02.440 working with a member
00:44:03.520 of the intelligence
00:44:04.100 community
00:44:04.580 to leak
00:44:05.820 a phone call
00:44:06.540 with zelinski
00:44:07.240 yes the same
00:44:08.160 president zelinski
00:44:08.940 and the same
00:44:09.860 president trump
00:44:10.660 that led to this
00:44:12.200 uh this impeachment
00:44:13.360 inquiry
00:44:13.900 which it was all
00:44:14.920 predicated on a
00:44:15.620 quid pro quo
00:44:16.200 that never actually
00:44:17.300 took place
00:44:18.100 in the transcript
00:44:18.840 but what did it
00:44:19.900 start with
00:44:20.420 it started with
00:44:21.260 members of the
00:44:21.760 military
00:44:22.160 and members
00:44:22.660 of the intelligence
00:44:23.200 community
00:44:23.720 leaking on the
00:44:24.700 commander-in-chief
00:44:25.280 that's right
00:44:26.640 yeah and of course
00:44:27.400 mr vindman's brother
00:44:28.440 is now serving in
00:44:29.340 congress
00:44:29.700 and apparently
00:44:30.360 his playbook
00:44:31.660 is about one page
00:44:32.580 long because he's
00:44:33.520 doing making the
00:44:34.160 same sort of stunt
00:44:34.960 where he's you know
00:44:36.060 talking about how he
00:44:37.760 saw the contents of a
00:44:38.880 phone call when he
00:44:39.660 worked for the trump
00:44:40.420 nsa and he's
00:44:41.780 demanding that trump
00:44:42.700 release the contents
00:44:43.560 of that phone call
00:44:44.340 again query whether
00:44:45.420 or not that's yet
00:44:46.340 again another violation
00:44:47.580 of the classified
00:44:49.080 materials rules like
00:44:50.720 whenever you know
00:44:51.720 are you allowed you
00:44:52.940 actually again you're
00:44:53.880 you're an expert in
00:44:54.600 classified information
00:44:55.360 because of you
00:44:55.840 yourself can you can
00:44:56.680 you just talk about
00:44:57.600 how the what
00:44:58.920 information you saw
00:45:00.140 and how derogatory
00:45:01.240 it is and how
00:45:02.440 people should really
00:45:03.220 release it so they
00:45:03.960 can see how
00:45:04.500 derogatory it is
00:45:05.420 no no no you
00:45:06.940 cannot and
00:45:08.600 right and
00:45:09.360 even if you don't
00:45:09.800 say exactly what the
00:45:10.860 information is you
00:45:11.680 you say but it's
00:45:12.660 super derogatory i
00:45:13.740 promise and he
00:45:14.620 should be forced to
00:45:15.260 release it no
00:45:16.340 no you really you
00:45:17.120 really can't you
00:45:18.120 really can't you
00:45:19.120 can't make references
00:45:19.940 to it and i would i
00:45:22.080 would urge by the
00:45:23.060 way anyone to go
00:45:25.220 through every single
00:45:26.520 uh one of the tweets
00:45:27.960 that i've ever written
00:45:28.820 or statements that
00:45:30.040 i've ever made on
00:45:31.180 this show or any
00:45:32.400 others to see if
00:45:33.900 i've ever committed
00:45:35.000 exactly what you're
00:45:36.060 saying right now
00:45:36.760 because now um i'm
00:45:39.440 not under ucmj because
00:45:40.580 i didn't do 20 years
00:45:41.680 to qualify for a
00:45:43.060 retirement pension
00:45:43.740 however as a member
00:45:45.080 of the intelligence
00:45:45.600 community i do have a
00:45:46.940 lifetime nda and so
00:45:49.020 if i were to come on
00:45:49.820 here and say hey
00:45:50.880 will and and
00:45:51.900 everybody gather
00:45:52.740 around i'm going to
00:45:53.520 tell you about
00:45:54.080 everything that took
00:45:54.960 place down at
00:45:55.540 guantanamo bay when i
00:45:56.560 was there you know
00:45:57.580 that would probably
00:45:58.960 be my last episode
00:46:00.080 yeah probably and
00:46:01.900 rightfully so and and
00:46:03.300 so i feel like this
00:46:04.380 maybe this has gone
00:46:05.240 under the radar because
00:46:05.960 nobody's talking about
00:46:06.860 investigating eugene
00:46:07.780 vindman for mishandling
00:46:08.620 classified information
00:46:09.560 but there's no doubt
00:46:10.440 that the contents of
00:46:11.660 that phone call between
00:46:12.640 president trump and
00:46:13.520 mbs are like in if
00:46:15.200 they haven't been
00:46:15.600 released they are
00:46:16.140 classified that is
00:46:17.040 foreign diplomacy so
00:46:18.620 the fact that he's
00:46:19.300 insinuating he knows
00:46:20.280 what's in those phone
00:46:21.120 calls and demanding
00:46:22.000 transcript releases on
00:46:23.560 that basis what this
00:46:25.360 is a six-year-old
00:46:25.860 foreign phone call
00:46:26.500 too like what's the
00:46:27.460 there's no there's no
00:46:28.620 whistleblower protection
00:46:29.600 for him now you know
00:46:31.120 that he falls you know
00:46:32.120 flatly and frivolously
00:46:33.780 asserted back in 2018 or
00:46:35.280 yeah i guess his brother
00:46:36.200 it's easy to confuse the
00:46:37.200 two of them right they
00:46:37.900 both you know they both
00:46:39.020 are named vindman right
00:46:40.280 right are applauded by
00:46:41.420 the ukrainians they both
00:46:42.360 leak classified phone
00:46:43.120 and speaking of which by
00:46:44.500 the way will um uh we
00:46:46.120 do have breaking news on
00:46:47.320 ukraine president trump we
00:46:48.740 we talked about this at
00:46:49.520 beginning of the show i
00:46:50.140 know we have about a
00:46:50.780 minute left but president
00:46:52.180 trump has just released a
00:46:53.600 truth social saying that
00:46:55.020 over the past week my
00:46:56.420 team has made tremendous
00:46:57.240 progress with respect to
00:46:58.540 ending the war between
00:46:59.660 russia and ukraine uh last
00:47:01.780 month 25 000 soldiers
00:47:03.900 died the original 28 point
00:47:05.420 peace plan which is
00:47:06.260 drafted by the united
00:47:07.000 states has been fine
00:47:08.500 tuned additional input
00:47:09.640 from both sides there
00:47:10.880 are only a few remaining
00:47:11.760 points of disagreement
00:47:12.640 this is this is
00:47:13.620 significant in the hopes
00:47:14.960 of finalizing this peace
00:47:16.440 plan president trump has
00:47:17.520 directed his special
00:47:18.500 envoy steve whitkoff to
00:47:20.180 meet with president
00:47:21.160 putin in moscow and at the
00:47:23.180 same time secretary of the
00:47:24.360 army dan driscoll will be
00:47:26.080 meeting with the ukrainians
00:47:28.720 and so really working
00:47:30.160 forward to the final stages
00:47:31.960 potentially of a peace plan
00:47:33.580 that's uh breaking news from
00:47:34.920 president united states
00:47:35.800 himself will i wish we had
00:47:37.640 more time we'll get you
00:47:38.480 back on when we have more
00:47:39.660 on these legal developments
00:47:41.360 where can people go to
00:47:42.160 follow you in the interim
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00:47:52.480 jordan and the family have
00:47:53.700 a great and happy
00:47:54.660 thanksgiving absolutely
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