Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec - May 14, 2026


XI JINPING THREATENS UNITED STATES WITH WAR OVER TAIWAN


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00:00:33.800 This is what happens when the fourth turning meets fifth generation warfare.
00:00:42.880 A commentator, international social media sensation, and former Navy intelligence veteran.
00:00:49.580 This is Human Events with your host, Jack Posobiec. Christ is king.
00:00:56.840 Well, thank you very much.
00:01:15.500 This is a great honor.
00:01:17.500 It was a fantastic day.
00:01:19.980 And in particular, I want to thank President Xi, my friend,
00:01:24.160 for this magnificent welcome, and it really was a magnificent welcome like none other.
00:01:31.060 The 250th anniversary of American independence.
00:01:36.260 The over 300 million American people are reinvigorating the spirit of patriotism,
00:01:42.580 innovation, and enterprise, and ushering in a new journey for the development of the United States.
00:01:49.380 The people of China and the United States are both great peoples
00:01:54.680 Achieving the great rejuvenation of the Chinese nation
00:01:58.560 And making America great again
00:02:00.900 China and the United States both stand to gain from cooperation
00:02:05.920 And lose from confrontation
00:02:07.860 We should be partners, not rivals
00:02:10.100 We should help each other succeed and prosper together
00:02:12.920 And find the right way for major countries to get along well with each other in the new era
00:02:17.920 The world has come to another crossroads. Can China and the United States overcome the
00:02:27.400 so-called Thucydides trap and create a new paradigm of major country relations?
00:02:34.800 Can we meet global challenges together and provide greater stability for the world?
00:02:40.100 But Chinese state media reports that Xi also issued a warning to President Trump
00:02:44.640 over Beijing's top issue, Taiwan, saying the two nations will clash
00:02:49.140 if the territory is not, quote, handled properly.
00:02:52.160 That the Taiwan question is the most important issue in China-U.S. relations.
00:02:56.160 Talk to me about that moment when that was discussed.
00:02:57.420 Well, they certainly feel that way, and they always raise that issue,
00:03:00.600 and we understand they raise that issue.
00:03:02.220 From our perspective, any forced change in the status quo
00:03:05.280 and the situation that's there now would be bad for both countries.
00:03:09.320 Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard today's edition of Human Events Daily.
00:03:12.900 We're here live on Real America's Voice.
00:03:15.500 Today is May 14th, 2026.
00:03:17.800 Anno, dominate.
00:03:19.920 Yesterday, we interviewed the ambassador to Taiwan here on this program.
00:03:25.500 And little did we know that just a few hours after that interview, where he talked about
00:03:31.580 maintaining the status quo on Taiwan, where he thanked President Trump for maintaining
00:03:38.060 the arms sales and the commitments to Taiwan.
00:03:41.260 that when President Trump would meet with Xi Jinping, that Xi would openly threaten the
00:03:49.520 United States with war over Taiwan, the island nation. And let me be blunt, folks. This is
00:04:00.700 the most striking I've ever heard a Chinese leader speak directly to a U.S. president,
00:04:08.000 Period. Full stop. This is the most escalatory language we've ever seen from a Chinese leader
00:04:16.060 again, directly while the president of the United States is in the room before him.
00:04:22.200 The reference to the Thucydides trap, the Peloponnesian Wars, Sparta, Athens,
00:04:28.860 the rising power versus the fading power. Xi Jinping is saying that America is the fading
00:04:36.340 hegemon and that they are the power on the rise. What have we talked about here for months,
00:04:43.500 for years? The rise of BRICS, multi-polarity. The BRICS foreign ministers are now holding a
00:04:49.620 meeting today in New Delhi, down in India. Who's with them? The Iranian foreign minister.
00:04:57.220 And all the CEOs, President Trump brought them over. She tossed them. He tossed them out of the
00:05:02.500 room at the very top of the meeting. They were the first people, the very first people who left
00:05:08.960 while Trump and Xi and the political delegations came in. You know why? It's really simple.
00:05:16.920 Because when it comes down to power versus money, power always wins. Xi Jinping looks at the
00:05:26.380 merchants as just that. They're the merchants. They're not the ones in charge. That's how China
00:05:32.480 is run. That's how Russia is run. These are the land empires. These are the empires of the world
00:05:42.100 island. And America has come over. And yes, seeking help on Iran. Xi Jinping saying very
00:05:50.900 clearly, you want help? We want Taiwan. And we also want your most advanced chips from Jensen
00:05:58.380 Huang and Nvidia at the same time. And we, and it was just announced that they are getting those
00:06:04.040 chips. So the question remains, what else are they getting? What other leverage does President
00:06:10.880 Trump have when it comes to China? This is not decoupling. This is not the reshoring. This is not
00:06:20.320 what we saw in the first administration. We also have the question of tariffs and President Trump
00:06:26.080 can ratchet those up anytime he wants but honestly when you look at the way that Xi Jinping was
00:06:32.980 speaking this wasn't a passing reference this was in the president's face called him a fading
00:06:42.380 power not just President Trump but the entire American nation will the Thucydides trap be
00:06:51.000 avoided. Well, we certainly hope that it is. But at the same time, we also don't want to see China
00:06:59.700 become the hegemon of the world. And that's exactly what they are working to become.
00:07:06.820 Zhongguo, the central kingdom. Right back, Jack Posobiec, Katie Zachariah joins us next.
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00:09:06.020 All right, so chi throwing down.
00:09:09.000 Escalation, no question.
00:09:10.660 the most aggressive language i've ever seen a chinese leader use in the presence of a u.s
00:09:19.020 president and i'm being as blunt as i can about that because it is unprecedented typically you
00:09:24.700 will see underlings in china talk like this they call it the wolf warrior diplomacy this was risen
00:09:29.660 up uh in the 2020s in the face of covid and other uh other crises during that time but you typically
00:09:36.640 do not see this from the level of the state chairman. And certainly you don't usually see
00:09:43.980 Taiwan brought up to such prominence as the top agenda line item as Xi Jinping did yesterday.
00:09:52.660 Very, very interesting, potentially also very risky. The stakes could not be higher.
00:10:00.240 I want to bring on someone also who is very familiar with China, having lived and worked
00:10:05.520 there as a professional in Beijing. Katie Zachariah, former official with the Department
00:10:10.460 of Homeland Security, joins us now. Katie, how are you? I'm excellent out here in California,
00:10:15.460 which feels like China sometimes, Jack. That's why they call it Chinafornia. That's why they
00:10:20.880 refer to that, especially your illustrious governor having the last, if I remember,
00:10:26.520 state meeting of Xi Jinping when he arrived in San Francisco. Yes, he cleaned up the streets just
00:10:32.260 for Xi Jinping, but not for us tax paying citizens of California, Jack. Funny how that works. Well,
00:10:38.620 you know, you know how they say you have to make the place look up nice when the real boss is
00:10:41.780 coming. That's right. Exactly. We also have a mayor out here in Arcadia who has been peddling
00:10:47.060 CCP information at the expense of our taxpayers, too. So we're fresh in the throes of China here
00:10:55.900 in the United States, Jack. I'm sure you feel it out there as well. Well, there's no question,
00:11:00.760 And, Katie, I wanted to ask you, you know, you're someone who's been focused on China.
00:11:04.700 You spent three years living and working there.
00:11:07.840 And for me, it was the this language, this blunt, direct language.
00:11:13.680 That's not what we heard from the technocrat leaders like Hu Jintao, Jiang Zemin, the 90s, the 2000s.
00:11:21.720 This, to me, seems to represent a totally new stake with Xi Jinping.
00:11:28.180 I wondered what your reaction was.
00:11:29.720 well i hu jintao as i i lived there during the change of power from hu jintao to xi jinping and
00:11:36.620 the under hu jintao i'm sure you're familiar with was such a much more welcoming to westerner
00:11:42.720 approach western business as xi jinping came in and took over i felt the shift literally in real
00:11:49.460 time and this kind of closing down of china to western influence to western investment and to
00:11:55.400 foreigners in general. And so what I'm really interested in though is the Chinese and Xi Jinping
00:12:03.440 really stands at this pinnacle point, basically backtracking all the way to Mao. They want to
00:12:09.000 retake Taiwan. And he's not mincing words any longer that the point of Xi Jinping is to continue
00:12:16.000 on the imperial dynasty of China. And what does that actually look like? That looks like taking
00:12:21.720 back Taiwan, which they believe is rightfully theirs. And I think what we're seeing is Xi
00:12:26.300 Jinping knows that this isn't Biden, that this isn't Obama, that this is someone, President
00:12:31.880 Trump is someone he needs to deal with in a direct way and in a forceful way, because
00:12:37.120 President Trump deals with him that way as well. And they're very respectful, as you
00:12:40.740 observed, to each other on the outside. But they're also not going to be mincing words
00:12:45.360 behind closed doors. And Xi Jinping has made it clear. But I also think President Trump
00:12:50.280 will make it clear that China is still very much reliant on the United States. And in many ways,
00:12:57.680 there is symbiosis, but just going and visiting China, one can see that they are still very much
00:13:04.620 a third world country and where we are not. And so I think that this power play is going to be
00:13:10.760 very interesting, but I'm sure you feel the same gratitude. Watching President Trump deal with Xi
00:13:16.840 Jinping and actually you have these two world superpowers contending on the world stage together
00:13:23.420 rather than what we've seen with Obama and what we saw with Biden. This kind of China has the
00:13:29.620 major upper hand where the United States just kind of succumbed to China. And Biden didn't even ever
00:13:35.180 go visit Xi Jinping in China. But to see President Trump's strength, Jack, is really historic.
00:13:41.040 We haven't seen that kind of strength against China before, at least in recent history. And
00:13:45.780 it's really nice to witness this. It's why we voted for him in 2024.
00:13:50.900 Well, that's exactly right. And I think that, of course, President Trump and he look before
00:13:56.060 he became president 2016 on the campaign trail. He was the only major figure in American modern
00:14:02.740 history who called out the People's Republic of China for what they were doing. He's the only one
00:14:08.820 who called them out on what they were doing to undercut our jobs, to undercut our workers,
00:14:12.400 to work hand in glove with members of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce to ship our jobs over to China.
00:14:19.080 That's the reason that the investment, Shenzhen and Chongqing and the Three Gorges Dam and Shanghai
00:14:24.580 looks in Lujiazue and everything and Pudong looks the way that it does, because that's our money,
00:14:30.180 that's our wealth that was extricated from the United States and planted over there in a system
00:14:36.580 that they called globalism. They told us that it was going to make China a democracy and more
00:14:41.580 westernized but in fact it's been quite the opposite and you just outlined about uh california
00:14:47.200 in fact we have become more like them in the intervening 26 years or so yes absolutely what
00:14:55.260 you see for instance this mayor eileen wong who resigned and has been charged with being a foreign
00:15:00.500 agent for beijing peddling communist propaganda to the people of not just arcadia but san gabriel
00:15:06.280 valley and the larger chinese community throughout california what we've seen is kind of soft
00:15:12.120 invasion uh and and and i don't mean an invasion militarily i mean of people that are not
00:15:18.840 assimilating to the united states right they they come and they create their own subculture so san
00:15:25.400 gabriel valley is has now become what i call little beijing and i traveled out there to go get local
00:15:32.280 Chinese food, not the Americanized version.
00:15:35.680 I wanted the like good noodles and the good dumplings.
00:15:38.500 I know exactly what you mean, having lived in China,
00:15:42.400 is people don't realize that fortune cookies don't exist in China.
00:15:46.540 General Tso's chicken doesn't exist in China.
00:15:49.420 Even the egg rolls are kind of like the whole egg roll thing that we have
00:15:52.520 is much more American than the Chinese version.
00:15:55.380 So I know exactly what you're talking about.
00:15:57.480 Fresh noodles.
00:15:58.460 The Chinese, local Chinese food is actually, as you know, extremely delicious and very spicy, especially in different regions.
00:16:05.780 But for me in California, to go out to San Gabriel Valley and to really not recognize it, what it used to be 20 years ago.
00:16:13.600 I'm a native Californian. That place is unrecognizable.
00:16:16.980 Every mall, every shop, it feels like living in Beijing.
00:16:20.880 And I mean that literally.
00:16:22.540 You go into a mall, it has that stale kind of different air.
00:16:27.560 they don't have they don't like air conditioning in China that that much as you know and so it has
00:16:32.880 that stale air in San Gabriel Valley in these malls so what it what it feels like is small
00:16:37.280 Beijing a little Beijing but this is not just in San Gabriel Valley Jack Palo Alto California a lot
00:16:43.680 of people cannot buy homes in Palo Alto because the Chinese have purchased so much real estate
00:16:49.160 so they can send their children to Stanford that they don't actually live in these homes in Palo
00:16:54.300 Alto they own the homes have the resident address and then send their kids to Stanford and so people
00:17:00.940 who've grown up in California can no longer buy homes in Palo Alto because there is no more or
00:17:05.540 very little available real estate and so all the prices are driven all the way up so this is a huge
00:17:11.520 systemic problem through the United States it's not just California it's farmland it's it's
00:17:16.820 literally any state you go into you can find these little niches and pockets and it's what they did
00:17:22.820 to Canada. And I think they're soft taking over the United States if we're not careful. I'm not
00:17:28.880 trying to be- Wait, Katie. So you're getting ahead of my talking points here because I was
00:17:33.460 exactly going to say that this is just what they did to Canada. And in fact, it's what they did
00:17:38.140 to Australia as well, because this is what they do. They go in and they begin buying up property.
00:17:44.800 They then begin, they use the money to, by the way, Eric Swalwell. When Eric Swalwell was
00:17:49.860 initially approached in a Chinese intelligence operation. That's when he was still a local
00:17:55.060 politician. He was on his way up. That's how they get you. It's how they get you. And it's quiet.
00:18:01.420 It's that it's this unassuming they're using the broken immigration system in the United States.
00:18:08.400 I'm going to go back to Eileen Wong, this mayor. She lived here for 30 years, Jack.
00:18:11.740 Why didn't we have a system that was evaluating the fact that she's a lawful permanent resident?
00:18:17.720 Then she gives birth to two sons that are now birthright citizens in the United States
00:18:22.780 based on our birthright citizenship laws.
00:18:25.900 And yet she's still a foreign agent for the People's Republic of China.
00:18:30.260 And so she became mayor, had children, and somehow went unaccounted for in our immigration
00:18:36.880 system.
00:18:37.420 And nobody went and checked on her green card status.
00:18:39.680 She got endorsements from sitting congresswoman.
00:18:42.360 She has pictures with our attorney general of California.
00:18:45.060 Jack, what is the problem here when our entire political system has basically allowed this to exist and not held her accountable?
00:18:53.720 This is a massive, massive problem. Katie Zachariah, former Trump DHS official, on with us talking China.
00:19:00.620 I'll be right back here at Human Events Daily.
00:19:03.280 You talk about influencers. These are influencers.
00:19:07.020 And they're friends of mine.
00:19:09.400 Jack Rosovic. Where's Jack?
00:19:11.840 Jack.
00:19:12.840 He's done a great job.
00:19:15.060 All right, Jack Kosovic back here at Human Events Daily, Real America's Voice.
00:19:22.020 You know, there's something that I wanted to talk about in relation to China that I
00:19:26.940 just feel like nobody seems to be bringing up, but that is the fact of COVID-19.
00:19:33.860 And, you know, we need to dig into that a little bit more and we need to figure it out.
00:19:39.480 And so just in one moment, I want to dig into that.
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00:21:34.060 them that if they drink it, they'll get taller every night. Just saying, hey, whatever works,
00:21:38.820 right? You got to be a parent. But but seriously, folks, I want to get back to China here
00:21:44.680 and talking about COVID-19. The fact of the matter is that China has never been held accountable.
00:21:50.220 We see Rand Paul come out with a whistleblower. We found out that Fauci was and it's been
00:21:55.040 confirmed. His advisor, by the way, has been indicted over these emails. He covered up the
00:21:59.920 illegal experiments that he was doing in China. China is responsible for the modern Chernobyl
00:22:07.080 on a massive global scale, a global Chernobyl. And yet no one holds the CCP accountable for this.
00:22:15.780 Katie Zachariah, this is something that you out in California experienced more than almost any
00:22:21.240 other state in the nation. Why is it that we seem to not want to hold China accountable for COVID?
00:22:30.680 It is actually mind baffling. And it's nice to see right now, Rand Paul, Ron Johnson,
00:22:38.280 Senator Mike Lee, a lot of these senators are bringing this back to the surface. Why?
00:22:44.700 We have to get to the bottom of COVID-19, not just because of the pandemic, Jack, but
00:22:49.920 we lost the 2020 election we lost the election or it was stolen from us is the better words to use
00:22:57.020 because of COVID-19 and we all know what happened we saw the mail-in ballot search we saw the terror
00:23:03.520 we saw the basement campaign that Joe Biden won quote and we also saw a president president Trump
00:23:12.160 lose the ability to fight the war for us against China for four years and I think this really gets
00:23:18.680 to the heart of it. This was not just an accident. This was intentional. China gained massive nuclear
00:23:24.640 capabilities in terms of nuclear power, built nuclear power plants, absolutely went crazy on
00:23:31.820 their Navy yards, building naval ships and warships. And in this whole period of time,
00:23:37.080 while we sat under Joe Biden, and he did nothing except sunbathe on the beaches of Delaware,
00:23:43.020 and President Trump had to fight off the weaponized lawfare system for four years,
00:23:47.020 and then retake the White House thanks to amazing patriots like yourself and Turning Point and the
00:23:53.760 rest of the people who came out against this. But Jack, if you get to the bottom of COVID,
00:23:58.580 you also get to the bottom of the stolen 2020 election. No, that's exactly right. And
00:24:05.540 President Trump only and the entire country had to go through that because of China. You can draw
00:24:11.200 a line, a direct line all the way back from that night in 2020, directly back to where
00:24:17.760 the Wuhan lab, not the wet market, no, the Wuhan lab and the illegal gain of function
00:24:23.620 experiment that we now know that Dr. Fauci signed off on, Peter Daszak signed off on,
00:24:29.140 this EcoHealth Alliance nonsense.
00:24:31.280 He knew and he was covering up what he did, but he was working hand in glove with the
00:24:36.180 Chinese Communist Party because those experiments are illegal in the United States. He knew what he
00:24:42.700 did. The Chinese knew what was going on. Now, maybe they lied to him about the leak. We don't
00:24:47.820 know exactly on that. But it still strikes me that we just haven't gotten the level of information,
00:24:54.560 the level of investigation actually into what happened there and any real accountability for
00:24:59.680 the CCP. And I read The Real Anthony Fauci by Robert F. Kennedy Jr. And that book changed my
00:25:07.960 life. And everyone should read that book. And it talks about COVID. It talks about Anthony Fauci.
00:25:13.480 It talks about the corrupt World Health Organization, which we have rightfully pulled
00:25:17.480 out of. And this is where I think the president stands to gain momentum on exposure, accountability,
00:25:24.220 not just redemptive, as I said before, for the lie and the false narrative that COVID destroyed
00:25:30.980 lives. COVID literally took lives because of the lies that were spread, but it also spread the lie
00:25:37.000 about our election, Jack. And just exactly to your point, we have to reclaim this narrative
00:25:43.860 for the sake of history, for the sake of the legacy of President Trump, but also on accountability.
00:25:49.920 And Dr. Anthony Fauci is the chief person who should be held responsible.
00:25:55.700 And Senator Rand Paul has made it his career mission to make sure this guy is held accountable.
00:26:01.380 I'm just not sure why we're not seeing more of this, especially as we're looking into Fulton County election rigging systems and across the country, President Trump.
00:26:10.680 and even Chief of Staff Susie Wiles said the other day at a conference that we will start
00:26:16.160 finding out that President Trump won a lot of these swing districts that in 2020 that we were
00:26:22.700 all aware of that were stolen from us. And I think we knew that. Katie Zachariah,
00:26:27.260 where can people go to follow you? Katie Zachariah on X, LinkedIn and Truth Social.
00:26:33.700 All right, folks, make sure to give her a follow. If you want to know what's going to be news next
00:26:39.240 week go give katie a follow and of course that's why you watch human events daily to begin with
00:26:43.740 we'll be right back with more here on the great real america's voice where's jack where's jack
00:26:51.100 where is he jack i want to see you
00:26:55.060 great job jack thank you what a job you do you know we have an incredible thing we're always
00:27:02.540 talking about the fake news and the bad but we have guys and these are the guys should be getting
00:27:07.480 policies. All right, Jack Posobiec, we're back live human events daily, and you're looking at
00:27:15.220 an image. I think that's a live shot, a potential live shot of Shanghai, China. You can see, yeah,
00:27:20.900 that is a live shot, right? Because it's night there, about 2, 2.35 in the morning over in
00:27:26.440 Shanghai right now. And you can see the smog. The smog is so thick that you can't even see
00:27:32.080 the tops of the buildings. I used to tell people, so there's Shanghai about two years,
00:27:35.800 And, you know, a nice day on Shanghai in Shanghai, you would get like, you know, the sky would be a nice apocalyptic orange.
00:27:43.980 So, you know, it's either cloudy and smoggy or, yeah, just like an orange sky.
00:27:50.000 And Beijing, I noticed, was very, very much cleaned up for the president's visit.
00:27:54.680 But you go and look at some of these other cities of China, even concurrent with what's going on.
00:27:59.500 And you can see Shanghai right there just being totally, totally smog filled.
00:28:05.300 And by the way, Shanghai isn't even considered to be one of the industrial cities of China.
00:28:09.860 So it just goes to like like all that stuff that you hear about pollution in the United States and and the environment and how we need to keep important.
00:28:17.220 And of course we do. But I never actually experienced that until I got to China and said, OK, yeah, this is actual pollution.
00:28:25.940 This is a real problem. And there are people there are stories of, you know, Chinese students.
00:28:29.480 I knew some Chinese students who would come to the United States who had psoriasis and then come to the U.S. and just clears up like that because the air is just so bad.
00:28:39.340 I wanted to bring on, though, a good friend of the program and someone who herself is actually Taiwanese, Paula Scanlon, joins us once again.
00:28:49.560 What's up, Paula?
00:28:50.960 Hey, it's good to be back on.
00:28:53.440 Yeah, so we don't usually bring you up for, you know, the whole, like, we need our token person here.
00:28:58.540 But, you know, I said, you know, we have someone who's such a good friend who actually is Taiwanese that we should actually get you on and get your take on this meeting with Xi Jinping and particularly the language that he used with the issue of Taiwan.
00:29:13.600 We had the Taiwanese ambassador on yesterday. He was praising President Trump for sticking
00:29:18.400 to the status quo. Then President Trump sits down with Xi Jinping. And to my mind, hearing some of
00:29:23.920 the most aggressive language I've ever heard from a Chinese leader on the question of Taiwan.
00:29:31.140 Yeah, you know, it's a really interesting time, especially with all of these stories coming out
00:29:35.180 about government officials, particularly Democrat government officials being bought and paid for by
00:29:41.040 the CCP. And there are people who are inside America that have been giving China leverage on
00:29:47.520 us in negotiations. And we can't ignore the fact that all of this has come out. We don't know what
00:29:52.480 the Chinese government has been given about us in America, about American citizens. It's incredibly
00:29:58.100 frightening. And I think that's sort of why he feels like he can speak to us so strongly, why
00:30:02.880 he feels like he has leverage over Trump in this negotiation. Trump is an amazing negotiator,
00:30:08.620 And I wouldn't want anyone else really doing that and negotiating on behalf of this country in America, but also on behalf of best global interests.
00:30:16.080 And so it's definitely a question going on here.
00:30:19.620 There's a lot to be concerned about.
00:30:21.040 And I think, again, there are people in the United States of America that are actively working against America's best interests by being in bed with the CCP, literally and figuratively.
00:30:32.300 No, there's there's no question there's there's none whatsoever.
00:30:35.140 And for people to understand this, Taiwan is an island of 23 million people.
00:30:41.160 It is vastly dwarfed by the population of mainland China.
00:30:46.740 And it really is kind of an interesting question because obviously Taiwan has cultural ties with China.
00:30:54.140 The spoken language is the same.
00:30:56.640 It's Mandarin across both sides.
00:30:58.400 And so there's family that's across the strait, Fujian and other parts of China.
00:31:04.500 But at the same time, the biggest split has always been the political differences.
00:31:10.600 Hong Kong and Taiwan and Macau had never gone communist.
00:31:14.600 They were spared the communist revolution.
00:31:17.520 Now, Macau and Hong Kong have been were handed back very stupidly.
00:31:22.320 I would always say given back to China, one by the British, one by the Portuguese, whereas Taiwan has been the sole remaining handout.
00:31:31.660 if i could ask and obviously you know you're an american but when you when you talk to family
00:31:36.300 members about this and the rest do do taiwanese view themselves as a separate country than china
00:31:42.060 or is it complicated the way i'm kind of laying out well in my family we certainly view ourselves
00:31:47.420 as a separate country i mean my ancestry is actually from uh people who were on the mainland
00:31:53.020 i mean never on the mainland and always on the island of taiwan so that's something where i'm
00:31:57.420 different from maybe some of the people who came over and immigrated but the truth is it's a very
00:32:02.300 different country than china and a lot of people don't see that china has a communist leader there's
00:32:07.420 a lot of people who don't have rights there's uh limited access to the internet there's all sorts
00:32:11.660 of human rights violations leftists love to talk about that that goes on in china uh taiwan is a
00:32:16.860 very prosperous country that has democracy my grandfather was one of the people that fought
00:32:21.180 for us to be able to have elections i'm not sure if you remember uh a little bit ago on online
00:32:26.460 And people were raving about how good the Taiwanese voting process was that people could watch the counting of ballots saying we know that in the United States of America.
00:32:33.880 We have a great democracy over in Taiwan, but it's something a lot of people don't see.
00:32:38.580 A lot of people don't consider. And they just say it's a small island. No one really cares.
00:32:42.260 But it is distinct from China. It's a separate country. It has elected officials.
00:32:47.660 And culturally, it's different and economically to the world, it's different and it's very valuable in its location and the access to the strait.
00:32:55.100 I mean, there's so many things. Obviously, I'm speaking from a place of it being a personal
00:32:58.940 connection. And I and I hope to see other people see that. And again, understand that this is not
00:33:04.520 a country that's under communist rule, but a country that is unique and individual and
00:33:09.120 independent. And the people there have an identity that is different than those in China.
00:33:14.220 Yeah, that's right, folks. I remember when I had first met you and we were talking about
00:33:18.860 about China. And I said, wow, so you're indigenous Taiwanese because that that even now is still
00:33:24.440 minority on the island itself. And I've been there. I've only been to Taiwan once. I've always
00:33:29.740 wanted to go back, but I just remember it being a great place. Obviously, culturally, there's a lot
00:33:35.400 of similarities with China and the rest of Asia, obviously. But I really enjoyed going to the
00:33:40.980 night markets and really getting to experience some of what it was actually like on the island
00:33:46.060 of Taiwan. But you're right. In fact, the last segment, we were just talking about Fulton County
00:33:50.720 And of course, Maricopa County is something where we talk about the lack of democracy and the fact that it takes them weeks upon weeks to get these votes counted.
00:33:59.000 Whereas in Taiwan, they got people in there with cell phones and they're just watching it.
00:34:02.580 And suddenly, boom, it's counted in like two seconds.
00:34:05.040 I said, why can't we have that in the United States?
00:34:08.520 Yeah, that was something that was great.
00:34:10.020 I remember when that was going viral, I felt that it was amazing.
00:34:12.960 But what's also interesting about Taiwan is you have to vote on Election Day.
00:34:16.940 You have to be there.
00:34:17.860 you can't understand that there's all this conversation about early voting and and many
00:34:22.120 of these different things but you know it's it's a country that's gotten democracy right in a lot
00:34:26.220 of ways we've elected really strong leaders over time and people who again have values that align
00:34:32.320 with what we believe as americans my grandfather who was taiwanese and worked for the government
00:34:37.300 and worked so hard to get democracy in taiwan he loved america he worked really hard to be able to
00:34:42.060 live in america and get his american citizenship and so what a lot of people don't realize is the
00:34:46.280 people of taiwan really do love american values and they want their culture to be like that
00:34:50.160 unlike in china where they hate american values and that's why they're you know
00:34:54.640 so aligned with the democrat party here it makes a lot of sense
00:34:58.440 no it it it really kind of lines up because what do you see you see a one party that is interested
00:35:07.620 in collectivization you see the interest in total central government control that is liberalism and
00:35:14.520 That is why the Chinese Communist Party is so it's it's such an aphrodisiac to people like that.
00:35:21.040 And unfortunately, many Republicans will have the same type of reaction because they see it as a path towards total power.
00:35:29.580 They say, wait a minute, if we can just get rid of the rights of these people, then we can do whatever we want.
00:35:36.480 Yeah, and it's it's a really scary time for me thinking about these negotiations, again, not to keep going back to this.
00:35:41.900 Some of the news we found out about how many of these people in the Democrat Party are so aligned and in constant communication with CCP actors.
00:35:50.480 I mean, I don't know. I used to think the other side just maybe had different beliefs than I did.
00:35:55.800 Right. There are certain policies the Democrats have pushed that I don't agree with.
00:35:59.560 But this is something that's against the interests of American citizens.
00:36:02.920 You can't possibly be hand in hand with a foreign government that has interests that are so different than what we value as Americans and what this country was built on, what our Constitution and founding fathers worked so hard to get us into this democracy that everyone wants to be part of.
00:36:19.700 And it's just a really scary time.
00:36:21.500 And I'm looking at this negotiation very closely and I'm thinking, again, they're Democrats who have done so much to push Trump back in this.
00:36:29.380 I know he's a great negotiator.
00:36:30.820 I know he will get the best job done.
00:36:32.660 he can but i can't help but feel like there's people again in this in our own country that
00:36:37.160 have worked so hard to make this negotiation that much harder for trump and so that's something i'm
00:36:41.280 watching closely and honestly i find it a little bit frightening well i i can certainly understand
00:36:48.820 why when you see someone using language like that basically saying taiwan is ours and we will have
00:36:57.700 it back within the fold one way or the other. The only question is whether or not we will go to war
00:37:05.460 over this island. And it's something where it's very clear. We had the ambassador on yesterday.
00:37:11.260 He was talking about the importance of maintaining the status quo. Xi Jinping, on the other hand,
00:37:17.680 seems like he has no interest to do so whatsoever. Right back with more Paula Scanlon here on Human
00:37:24.580 events daily this the jack pasobiec appreciation hour i can say confidently i believe i think
00:37:31.000 josh shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for jack pasobiec and that
00:37:34.820 that is i'll be honest all right jack pasobiec we're back live here human events daily real
00:37:46.640 america's voice and my gosh you you just look at that image of shanghai china that is a live shot
00:37:52.180 And we're on with Paula Scanlon. She's a senior fellow at the American Principles Project, but also is Taiwanese herself.
00:38:00.040 And guys, throw that shout up again, because Paula, I mean, this does not look like Taiwan.
00:38:06.560 Taiwan just does not have this level of smog and soot in the air like this. It's not like this at all.
00:38:14.020 Yeah, no, I've actually never been to China. My grandmother told any of us, again, this is how much hatred she has for the CCP,
00:38:20.860 has told any of us, if we ever go to China, we're getting ridden out of her will.
00:38:25.120 Or as she likes to say, you get nothing from me in her accent, which is very cute.
00:38:30.700 But it's true.
00:38:31.320 It's a completely different country.
00:38:32.580 It's a different area.
00:38:33.220 I honestly feel in a lot of ways that Taiwan is more similar to Japan and Tokyo in a lot
00:38:39.880 of ways for people who have never been there and want to understand.
00:38:42.800 That's sort of what I get.
00:38:43.820 I think in a lot of ways, my family even feels more culturally connected to Japan than they
00:38:49.600 ever possibly could with mainland China. And I think that's something a lot of other people
00:38:53.840 don't see and understand. And I mean, again, my grandfather also worked in Tokyo as well
00:38:58.840 for the embassy, but it was, it was, it's a very different country and it's a very
00:39:03.720 technologically advanced country. And again, this is what happens when you don't have communism
00:39:07.800 and your society can flourish and you have capitalism and strong education systems and
00:39:12.560 people who work for businesses and there's chip manufacturing and there's all these different
00:39:16.540 things that's not like a terrible terribly run country like china no and in fact taiwan uh had
00:39:24.520 been part of the japanese empire even prior to world war ii's uh the treaty of shimanasaki one
00:39:31.000 of the wars that had been fought between um uh china and japan chino japanese war and i believe
00:39:37.000 for most it would have been a portuguese colony even prior to that so and and people one of the
00:39:42.660 things that I think a lot of people miss too about the strategic importance of Taiwan. Yes,
00:39:46.760 of course, the chips, there's no question. TSMC, such an important role of the economy,
00:39:52.460 these AI chips, the highly advanced technology coming out. But also, and I just got to say as
00:39:57.600 a Navy guy, right, the shipping lanes for all of Asia pass right by Taiwan. That's why the Dutch
00:40:04.880 wanted it. That's why the Portuguese wanted it. That's why the Japanese wanted it so much.
00:40:09.260 That's why it was so strategically important.
00:40:13.060 And of course, going back to the 1950s, MacArthur himself even said that if anyone ever wanted to invade mainland China, then Taiwan itself would be essentially a natural aircraft carrier for an invasion.
00:40:26.820 And this is why, from a geostrategic standpoint, it makes so much sense for Taiwan to be an ally.
00:40:33.120 And to your point as well, that Taiwan was seen as one of the Asian tigers in the, I believe it was the 1980s, along with Singapore, along with South Korea, because this was a place where innovation, where capitalism was allowed to flourish.
00:40:49.140 absolutely and again and also an embrace of american culture too i mean there were talks
00:40:55.860 about trying to make english the first national language of taiwan um i think everyone really i
00:41:02.320 know in taiwan all of my family members making taking great effort to learn english it's something
00:41:07.380 that they they really value their relationship with america and again all my family from taiwan
00:41:12.160 they all want to move to america they love america and it's something that again chinese people are
00:41:18.020 not doing. And so I don't, I don't know how much more I can really emphasize here, but I see a lot
00:41:23.300 of connections and I see them as an important ally. And again, a country that's distinct from
00:41:27.880 China. I know there's going to be a lot of complicated geopolitical things going on in the
00:41:32.460 world. And so this is just a moment really where I'm feeling a lot of just, it's stressful,
00:41:38.120 it's frustrating, and it's something I'm frightened about what the future looks like.
00:41:42.400 And again, China is not a country that is an ally and that has American interests.
00:41:47.640 And the CCP really is an evil regime.
00:41:50.660 And I know that there's a lot of people who share that sentiment, even people who are
00:41:54.460 over in Asia.
00:41:56.440 Well, all we need to do, right, you know, we can we could sit here and talk about all
00:42:00.060 day long, but all you need to do is look at Hong Kong.
00:42:03.720 After the Hong Kong turnover in 1997, Beijing promised they swore up and down that they
00:42:09.760 would allow the one country, two systems equal danger for 50 years. No interference whatsoever
00:42:17.280 in Hong Kong. Hong Kong would maintain autonomy. They would maintain their democracy. They would
00:42:21.640 maintain their systems that barely lasted a couple of decades. And what have they done?
00:42:26.620 They've gone in and they've curtailed freedom of speech. They've curtailed public newspapers
00:42:31.300 from being printed. Jimmy Lai, who printed Apple Daily, he's in jail right now because of what he
00:42:36.420 was printing about Xi Jinping in Hong Kong. They were disappearing booksellers, like just people
00:42:42.900 who own bookstores that would have books that were critical of Xi Jinping, and they were being
00:42:47.160 disappeared by the Chinese secret police from Shenzhen just across the river up north from
00:42:51.820 Hong Kong. So the idea that Taiwan could be entered into the fold without any changes to
00:42:57.120 the system is laughable because we can see what they've done in Hong Kong right across the way,
00:43:04.260 And as well as the democracy movement, in fact, Libby Edmonds just interviewed a member of the Hong Kong democracy movement.
00:43:10.540 A little plug right there to my colleague Libby Edmonds, Chloe Chung from Hong Kong in the Umbrella Democracy Movement of 2019, because she's now been essentially banned from returning home.
00:43:23.640 Yeah, exactly that. I mean, it's something we should all be afraid of.
00:43:26.700 And there's so many people who have worked so hard to try to raise awareness to what China does as a regime.
00:43:32.000 I mean, there are people who have left there and don't want to go back and don't enjoy what's
00:43:37.820 happening. And I just, it's just disappointing to see their stronghold. And again, I'm really
00:43:43.340 thankful that Trump is president being in there to negotiate. I think he is the type of person who
00:43:47.840 can continue to put China in their place. And that's really all that I want from weak leadership.
00:43:53.220 I know Trump is strong enough to be smart, to hold himself there. And I really do pray for a lot of
00:43:58.680 the people who are on this trip in China, that that is something I find frightening, again, as
00:44:02.900 American citizens being on the ground there in that foreign country. It's something I'm watching
00:44:08.120 closely, really, what happens here. But ultimately, I know that I'm really proud to be an American
00:44:13.440 citizen. And I think when I'm looking at the situation, I'm reminding myself how thankful it
00:44:18.260 is that even with all the crazy things we see with leftist indoctrination and all of that,
00:44:22.580 I'm beyond grateful to be an American citizen that has the right to say this. If I did this
00:44:27.380 interview in china you probably would never see me again i'm grateful we have freedom of speech in
00:44:32.660 this country and that's something we fight for with our values and i can say this and i can tell
00:44:36.740 you about what i believe about china and what i know to be true as italianese as well and i'm
00:44:42.020 thankful for that so really right now i'm thankful to be american no that's that's that's great to
00:44:47.540 hear um you know it reminds me of something that uh tanya tay you know obviously you know tanya
00:44:52.820 And she was born in the Soviet Union and came to the U.S. as a teenager.
00:44:57.160 And she was saying once we were watching a trial, you know, just covering something for, you know, for the show.
00:45:04.360 And, you know, we were watching.
00:45:05.480 I can't remember if it was either Kyle Rittenhouse or the Derek Chauvin, one of those.
00:45:09.600 And she was talking about how that she was like, this system that you guys have is amazing where people can get up and there's evidence and it's public and you can really hash it out.
00:45:20.620 and it doesn't mean it always gets it right, but she just said, I know about countries where they
00:45:25.220 don't do things like that, where the government arrests you and that's it. You're just, you're
00:45:30.620 never heard from again, or, you know, you get thrown in prison and you get a letter saying,
00:45:35.920 Hey, you know, your loved one is going to be locked up for this many years, or you're never
00:45:40.240 going to see them again. And there are parts of this world even today that are still like that.
00:45:46.200 And I just, and I, and I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experience because I think a lot
00:45:50.460 of americans we just we don't we don't appreciate it as much and we take it for granted definitely
00:45:56.920 and i think that's uh really what brought me into the political movement if those who are
00:46:01.280 unfamiliar with my story um transgender ideology was something i experienced in college and when
00:46:08.260 i felt censored about it that's really when i woke up and i thought about my grandfather and i thought
00:46:11.940 about taiwan and people ask me my why and why i'm even here talking to you on the show or why i even
00:46:16.780 know you jack it's because of that and i thought about what my grandfather fought for and i said
00:46:20.580 no the american constitution the american rights and the things that my family worked so hard to
00:46:24.680 become american citizens this is what they love and this is what they want and we have to fight
00:46:29.060 for it and we have trump as president and we have all these great rights now and that's awesome but
00:46:33.660 people in other countries don't have that and that's something i think americans take for
00:46:37.500 granted and that's something i try to remind people about when i'm given the opportunity to
00:46:41.200 speak on it amen and for folks who want to follow you paula where can they do so
00:46:45.740 paula y scanlin on uh over on x all right folks make sure you go and give her a follow and pepper
00:46:53.860 her with lots of questions about taiwan because she needs to answer them and have them all out
00:46:59.900 immediately because this could be the flashpoint the thucydides trap learn your history or you
00:47:06.900 will be doomed to repeat it ladies and gentlemen as always you have my permission to lay ashore
00:47:15.740 We'll be right back.