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00:01:42.140I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it.
00:01:52.180Each week I bring on an amazing guest.
00:05:43.860And then they're like, all right, what do you got?
00:05:45.660And if you dud on that opening bit,0.98
00:05:47.880you'd rather come in kind of fucking low key.0.96
00:05:49.940and then build it up from there no we intentionally did that i like that yeah watch how this ends man0.99
00:05:55.400blood shit so dude how are you man i'm good man thanks for having me on the pod you la based i am0.95
00:06:02.620yeah i bought a home out here about uh 20 years ago and and never left sick dude whereabouts i came0.98
00:06:09.060uh well i'm up sunset plaza now but when i first lived out here i was fucking all the way out you0.84
00:06:14.140know the part of the uh you know people like where are you at and you're like i'm like i'm deep in0.78
00:06:18.040the valley and they're like how far are you like fresno i'm in the fresno portion of the valley
00:06:22.620but i feel like that's like the national uh natural progression of like the la like uh
00:06:27.280celeb utah is like you start in the valley and then you sneak your if you keep it going well
00:06:32.800you sneak your way towards like maybe laurel canyon dude i was and you're where you are now
00:06:37.600i was living in the basement of a fudruckers basically when i first came out here i was i0.83
00:06:42.400was holiday in very end of the bar ham fucking area and i came out to do a tv show in 98 with0.74
00:06:49.900betty white wow i played betty white's uh grandson on a show that uh nobody's ever heard of because0.87
00:06:57.860it was on saturday nights at 8 30 on abc and when i got cast in that show and they were like we want
00:07:04.160you to come out and do the show and i told my family i'm like i'm gonna be i'm gonna be on a
00:07:07.180show with betty golden girls like one of the best you know best shows of all time and they were like0.92
00:07:10.800when's it on i'm like saturday night 8 30 they're like yeah we're not fucking nobody is home and by0.89
00:07:16.120the way that's when vcrs were around and nobody knew how to even fucking set that so yeah i was0.91
00:07:20.600on a short-lived show that paid next to nothing and i just uh stayed out in the valley side and0.78
00:07:26.240try to figure out how to work my way over here you got a wife and kids whole family thing i got
00:07:30.140a i got a girlfriend of five years that's looking pretty good wow i didn't grow up until i hit like
00:07:34.76040 okay you know what i mean i was like in my 20s i was a real infant and then in my 30s i thought
00:07:40.400i had my shit together i'm like oh i'm entrepreneur i'm multi-hyphenated i'm a business yeah yeah but0.99
00:07:44.960i was a fucking idiot and then right around 38 i just hit like a stride and was like oh oh wait1.00
00:07:53.420a second i have to like actually look at myself in the mirror and be the judge and jury on my1.00
00:07:57.580you know on on my decisions and you know where i want to take myself and the people in my life
00:08:02.920once i hit that the last like 12 years have been pretty uh i don't know i'm having the best time
00:08:07.220of my life i'll say that 38 was your spot 38 yeah sounds a lot of boys i'm 37 37 yeah get ready 38
00:08:15.560everything's gonna kick in and then your teeth are gonna start falling out no please that's0.99
00:08:18.760fantastic yeah that's when dental shit starts getting real man you're gonna fucking root canal0.99
00:08:22.200coming in about six months i already have so much from the crack i thought it was over yeah no it's1.00
00:08:28.620years of eating bad pussy i actually it's on wikipedia let's do that one again i think that0.98
00:08:39.200should have been a round of applause personally but whatever anyway what's up with you guys is0.98
00:08:42.440the question no no no it's not it's not you ever take days off from being successful i mean it's
00:08:46.660just non-stop i refuse he definitely doesn't i mean he he's he he just grinds all day yeah wwe
00:08:53.080is you know originals project enough about me enough about me no no no man i got a lot of
00:08:57.720respect for you because where we're very similar even though i'm the old bull is i had to do it0.98
00:09:03.180myself man i had to find my audience i had to figure out because this town didn't give a shit0.80
00:09:07.520what i was bringing to the table at that time they took a look at me and they were like no we already0.98
00:09:12.180have somebody who kind of moves around and and uh is you know vibrant and fucking you know and
00:09:18.240they just dismissed me who was why why is that though well it's because at that point in my life0.96
00:09:24.820i didn't have the analytics which is asses and seats it used to be called now it's whatever0.94
00:09:29.520fucking you know clicks or follows or likes or but back then if you didn't have that data sheet0.99
00:09:34.220of asses and seats they didn't care didn't care what how good your audition was didn't care0.99
00:09:38.760if you were the right guy you weren't until you tricked the system into making the industry0.99
00:09:45.300believe you're the right guy industry wasn't willing to take the risk that on someone who
00:09:50.000could maybe move the needle a week before i released my second album retaliation a week
00:09:55.300before we couldn't get one publication to write about it spin rolling stone like anybody nobody0.81
00:10:00.620even like fucking harper's bazaar was not gonna take it when when that when that cd dropped and0.83
00:10:09.260i did that with the click of you know that tiktok 1.0 is myspace yeah and when i clicked send and i0.92
00:10:15.520hit a global fan base two weeks after that dropped it was jay-z and me on the top the actual billboard
00:10:22.040top 100 wow everybody that passed called me even people that didn't care about the story suddenly
00:10:29.260the allure was there so you got to kind of hack the system sometimes and and you know and and show
00:10:34.460them what you have even though they're not willing to take a first look although although when those
00:10:38.860outlets reach back out to you i'm sure it felt good and it was very uh beneficial for for your0.99
00:10:44.900career dude but but did you want to tell them to go fuck themselves a couple i did yeah but but in0.82
00:10:50.440a political way because you're still like well we may all meet you know and the other thing you1.00
00:10:53.880learn in this industry is like the person you tell go fuck yourself well when they're gone three0.97
00:10:57.740months later to a new new location that you might be interested in parlaying with yeah yeah and then0.98
00:11:01.800somebody else takes over their old job that you actually like now you've destroyed bridges that
00:11:05.960are unnecessary so now you just play it like um you missed out pal yeah yeah yeah so so so betty0.99
00:11:11.820white 98 right 8 30 p.m saturday night nobody wants to watch that shit especially in boston0.98
00:11:17.220or wherever on the fucking east coast they're all at the pubs right right how do you get from there0.99
00:11:21.540to to uh vicious circle like what's what does that look like what was like the big what was0.95
00:11:26.280like the moment where you were like holy shit this this is working well it's probably when when
00:11:29.940retaliation hit because i had a the first release was harmful if swallowed and that was kind of
00:11:34.640like underground in college and it put me on the map but again the way the industry looked at it
00:11:40.520was like um that fad of my space you just got lucky with the click of the and they didn't think
00:11:46.120that was the the internet was actually the the highway that we were all first comedian to go
00:11:50.740viral thank you for saying that i wanted to thank you no i'll just say you were a liner of the
00:11:56.160internet weren't you so so the first one comes out and everybody's kind of like uh you know okay he's
00:12:01.160uh he's the you know flavor of the month whatever and then when retaliation comes out i got a call
00:12:05.540from loren michaels i was in vegas in a hotel room for the vegas comedy festival and loren michaels
00:12:10.080calls me and he goes um he goes uh i heard about your album and i said yeah man i'm you know right
00:12:16.920next to jay-z and then he just went you're hosting oh my god and he gave me my first hosting gig on
00:12:23.280snl and uh after that it was just game changing everything changed after that doors were opening0.97
00:12:28.420left and right and you know it for a little while it's kind of silly because you're almost like all
00:12:33.240right this is i'm not this good i'm good i'll get better but uh there was a period there where it's
00:12:39.280Just like you just, hey, you know, while the getting's good, you got to take advantage of it.
00:12:43.260I recently started stand up and when I was joining it, I like to kind of step back and look at the greats.
00:12:49.940Yeah. You severely impacted the whole shift of comedy.
00:12:55.000Like, I'm just talking to people that are great and they're looking at me and they're always bringing you up on how you came into the game and completely changed it from.
00:36:12.520They might eventually be like, all right, this isn't for me.
00:36:15.600But more often than not, you're going to connect because emotions connect more than the funniest bit in the world with emotion at the core of it.
00:36:54.680The fact that, as a comedian, you know about the importance of, like, relatability and passion as it pertains to, like, that type of way of speaking is amazing.
00:37:05.060Because there's a lot of, dude, like, we sit on this podcast, I do thousands of hours of podcasts, we make thousands of jokes, everybody laughs.
00:37:12.540And I hate to say this, but laughs are forgotten.
00:37:15.480But if you're able to make someone feel something deep in their, my most viral clip ever that I've ever made was me speaking about a drug addiction.
00:37:23.400because i was a heroin addict for eight years that clip has been shared more than anything i'll ever
00:37:27.640do in my life and so the fact that you understand the importance of emotional connection and and0.81
00:37:34.060and probably can then tie that into your comedy is why you're fucking legend uh man i appreciate0.70
00:37:39.060that dude and the fact that you you could share something that's you know i've never experienced0.82
00:37:43.760the the gut-wrenching real-time experience that you had is a testament to who you are but it's
00:37:49.980also like in our in our time on this planet man people just want to find things that they can
00:37:55.660embolden their own ideas with it really is all about projection and somebody sees that and goes
00:38:00.300oh maybe i can be healthier and then hang with fucking cool people and dean cook
00:38:05.420but but it's also like when you when i think about um like uh the the moments in my life where0.92
00:38:15.740I was like, I got to be around other people
00:38:18.060that I grew up loving and wanting to emulate
00:38:20.380and get a little time with them and break bread
00:38:23.380and finally get to ask those questions like,
00:38:25.140man, how did you maintain, what was your,
00:38:29.180you try to find those nuggets of like,
00:38:32.360and every single person I've had that opportunity with
00:38:36.500has always said, man, it was at the worst moment
00:57:25.900when was this he goes two days ago i go laugh factory and he goes yep i go motherfucker1.00
00:57:30.200you ruined my first time wow and you wait you have it on film too everything that's unbelievable0.99
00:57:37.160that's uh my hand and say it's a great story
00:57:41.080i'm gonna let you open for me next time yeah you're out there with joe coy
00:57:48.880that's awesome that is a good story dude censorship censorship bro i just did chappelle's summer camp
00:57:57.320last year and it was like oh you went to ohio yeah i mean i know i know dave since when i was
00:58:03.000in new york city 93 i was like whatever 19 and there was dave dave and i were doing early gigs0.81
00:58:07.640he was like fucking 11 or i don't know how old he was and uh so we were doing these early gigs0.79
00:58:12.520together and dave was always a guy that i kind of put date listen dave is in his own thing dave is0.88
00:58:18.860not he dave is dave and he's he's a transmitter in a lot of ways and he was doing that then and
00:58:25.640he does it now he just again talk about like coming from his truth and coming from a place
00:58:30.160that's like it don't like it whatever like his unique perspective on things and the humanity
00:58:35.900that he tries to put into those things it's it's really amazing and he's awesome yeah so
00:58:40.740wait wait hold on no i i just want to i just want to pin the censorship yeah yeah real quick because
00:58:47.540you went to yellow springs yes ohio to perform while dave was doing his thing during covid
00:58:53.960right during the yeah whatever at the end yeah last year not this summer last summer so i'm
00:58:59.680curious how this worked because like i remember thinking at one point like what's dave chappelle
00:59:05.740doing yeah and then he was gracious enough to invite me to um uh a a set of his and the premiere0.99
00:59:13.420of the movie that he was making right then and i i remember thinking oh my god this motherfucker0.96
00:59:17.540wasn't not doing anything he was he was he was doing something that had never been done before0.98
00:59:21.500he was putting on shows in his backyard in yellow springs ohio in a cornfield really trashed
00:59:27.500hammered no but but the film was amazing yeah was your experience out there like
00:59:33.580did it feel revitalizing to once again perform again in front of a crowd because covid killed
00:59:38.200everything especially for comedians it did it also felt like um in dave and everybody said like this
00:59:43.220is going to be really unique what you're and i kind of was like okay i get it but then you get
00:59:47.700down there and it really felt like being at camp or something it was what he set up down there and
00:59:52.220the shows he was putting on um i don't think i'll ever experience anything like it even if i do it
00:59:57.200again that first time of being there and being a part of that but but sharing the stage stage with
01:00:02.480dave who dude check this out i start i'm doing uh early gigs i'll make this it's a long story
01:00:09.820very quick we're doing college gigs together like we're kids and we used to go back to back
01:00:14.980back then like i've always i'm naturally energetic i get fucking excited when i'm on stage but back
01:00:20.360then i was like tasmanian devil like i would do anything for a laugh and so i'd go out there and0.81
01:00:25.060i'd fucking massacre i'd just be out there just like sweating and dave would go out and dave was0.91
01:00:31.460dave was kind of like you know he go up there he go man someone said to me chapelle and he falls0.99
01:00:40.980and then he'd think for a little bit and then he's killing he's killing and we're backstage
01:00:44.860and i said dave i gotta i gotta know man how i'm still learning i feel like i'm still you know i
01:00:51.260have so much to learn how are you doing this sometimes you're following me and instantly
01:00:55.880you're just getting him and killing and dave chapelle as a kid looked at me and he went
01:01:00.020the power's in the silence man the power's in the silence he was just oh he's dave he's he's0.96
01:01:07.960he operates on a whole different mentality and level and it's why he's the goat i love that
01:01:12.960sentence though there's so much power if you can get comfortable with silence yeah jeff my manager
01:01:18.840sitting over there he uh he taught me so what is it it's uh if someone asked you so anyone can ask
01:01:25.700you a question but that doesn't mean you have to answer right and especially when you're doing
01:01:30.160any sort of press any interviews anything if you can get comfortable just chilling right massive
01:01:36.940impact in that true are you worried on his point about things you're saying are you worried about
01:01:43.920being canceled are censorship now and and especially for comedians is becoming more and
01:01:49.480more prominent no because i think that it's incumbent upon anybody performing stand-up
01:01:53.780comedy today to you want to keep your integrity but you also want to do one thing observe and
01:01:59.700report from your experience if it happened to you if it happened from you you can talk about it
01:02:05.600anything anything but if you're trying to tell somebody else's story through your eyes
01:02:09.760that that era of stand-up comedy is is over and it and it actually it should because it's pretty
01:02:15.420ignorant nobody should be speaking on somebody else's story for the sake of getting laughs off
01:02:19.360it i i've done that i'm a storyteller even all the way back to vicious circle like when i did the0.94
01:02:25.060crying bit it's to this day the bit that i can't go a day without somebody writing me about it
01:02:30.000because when somebody has a bad day and they're crying they go dude i started laughing my mom was
01:02:36.420dying of cancer when i wrote that bit my mom couldn't be at the best show i ever did in boston
01:02:41.240and that night when i performed that bit my mom was in florida in delray beach she couldn't make
01:02:46.140to boston so i gave that bit everything i had both because i knew it was funny around it but
01:02:52.740like how i was really feeling i was really missing my mom that night got on a flight the next morning
01:02:56.940brought it down and got to show her this is what that moment meant to me and so to be able to0.96
01:03:05.120observe and report your what you experience you can do whatever say whatever the fuck you want
01:03:11.080don't let anybody ever put any boundaries at all on that and and if they try to it's just them man
01:03:17.660it's just people's experience and projecting so has what other people think of you has nothing
01:03:21.780to do with you so you get up there and you observe and report from your own personal experience and
01:03:28.060and then you won't worry about being canceled or censored still people might not like what you
01:03:31.880have to say and think it's it's garbage but you're never going to worry you're going to sleep very
01:03:37.380well at night knowing like i'm just doing i'm doing what i know is is my life i'm talking about0.87
01:03:42.400my life it's so it's logic said i was just gonna say the same thing yes literally the exact same
01:03:47.440thing we had logic the the hip uh rapper on yesterday and he he was using a word that someone
01:03:52.780called him and i said are you worried about using that word and he's like dude they called me this
01:03:57.800like i'm simply reporting what happened i'm not i'm not making a story of i'm not using it as a
01:04:02.720flora i'm just saying what happened right right and so it's there's always going to be listen
01:04:07.620there's going to be vernacular jargon there's going to be things that you say there's always
01:04:11.780going to be something that people are going to find fault with it it's it's once once you're a
01:04:16.880known comic once you're known anything then you have just opened yourself up to a realm of people
01:04:22.860that are there's more people that are not going to be into what you do they just are going to be
01:04:27.640having to hear from their friends or whoever like i'm into this person and then now you've
01:04:32.620got dual sometimes you know two people that like you or one person's like i'm not into it so yeah
01:04:38.020you're always going to come in and out of favor i guess but as long as you your integrity is intact
01:04:41.900then um unless you're like a political comic and you're like i want to get out there and
01:04:46.440make statements about then you got to expect that you know your job is to be critique yeah yeah yeah
01:04:52.980you know i might be uh you know uh what is that called like uh criticized criticized about you
01:04:59.180know like you know some of my statements and but if that's the kind of comic you want to be then
01:05:03.180you know like all right i lose half the audience i gained a new audience that you know otherwise
01:05:08.400just do your thing from from your heart man when you were on this run and you're pursuing this this
01:05:13.220this career in the arts um you know comedy is an art it's a form of media and entertainment
01:05:18.480and you would do a set and show your parents you know what you what you did did they find it funny
01:05:25.500did they did they understand what you were building or or because i remember when i would
01:05:31.040show my parents some of my videos that it's like oh that's funny yeah you rode a bike off a picnic
01:05:36.920but that's it right it's just there's no beyond like i okay like that's essentially what they said
01:05:43.560right did you have that or were they were they more in tune with what was going on sometimes
01:05:48.680you wanted them to be in tune and be like i like that i like and then sometimes you knew like they're
01:05:53.220the exact audience that i want to get the opposite reaction because i know that my generation will be
01:05:57.480like i'm into that so there were certain pieces that early my you know mom or dad might be like
01:06:01.840what are you what are you doing yeah i'd be like okay that's good yeah listen i don't want to be
01:06:08.060milquetoast but you know you don't definitely don't you start becoming like okay i'm kind of
01:06:12.100like easily uh placed you don't want to be that you definitely want to have some you know cause0.83
01:06:16.500some friction man you do want to get up there and fucking kick the tires and you know stand-up
01:06:20.680comedy should be you know uh it should be a little dangerous right but it doesn't have to hurt people0.97
01:06:25.740it's just so many people crave acceptance from their parents and i think a lot of people make
01:06:29.660decisions young people make decisions about what they want to do in their life right based on what
01:06:33.760their parents want right right exactly i've never ever been a fan of that but yeah unfortunately
01:06:39.680like the society has kind of craved carved that into people's minds yeah i think that i mean i
01:06:45.160I only know that my experience was once I made, you know, once I made good on my promise to my
01:06:52.420parents, which was like, Hey, if you support me in this, I'm, I said, I'm not gonna, I said,
01:06:57.780I'm not taking this halfway. Um, I'm, I'm going to do this. And I told my mom, I was like 16 or
01:07:04.200I said, uh, I'm not going to be kind of funny. I want to be one of the best. I want to take this.
01:07:08.760I want to be for my generation. I want to hit the high watermarks. And so when they see you
01:07:15.020make good on a promise that only they knew about really you know when it was just talk you know
01:07:21.120when it's just talk my dad would call me on it i don't know about yours but like my dad would say
01:07:24.820things like because i was a big dreamer i'd be like i'm gonna build a lemonade stand and i'm
01:07:30.160gonna have two corners because then i get cross traffic my dad would walk and he'd open the front
01:07:34.360door and he'd look outside and he'd go i don't see it i don't see what you're talking about i said no
01:07:39.000i'm not building i'm saying i'm going to because yeah i don't i don't see until i see it i don't
01:07:42.400really so he was the person who put in me you better show me oh stop talking about all the
01:07:47.960yeah and that taught me later in life keep keep most of your desire you know share it with a
01:07:53.540confidant maybe somebody that you love but don't don't dispel the energy by telling a lot of people
01:07:58.200that really don't have your they may like you they may care about you but nobody knows your
01:08:02.800passion but you so if you start telling everybody your passion and everybody has a piece of that
01:08:06.180passion you're you're lowering that that fuel you need to keep some fire inside of you that
01:08:12.480some people go like where are you going and you're like i got work to do yeah dude he's got so many
01:08:17.560gems like yeah you gem drop it's funny because you look to your predecessors for the gems that
01:08:25.520you're now dropping on others right and it's like it's like i think probably was it after 38 you
01:08:32.060started to pull together all of these wonderful uh bite-sized nuggets to drop based on the things0.99
01:08:39.140that you went through like what was like the point where you were like yo i know some shit0.88
01:08:42.280i just wanted to be i wanted to grow and into an introspective person and if i was going to be an
01:08:49.620introspective person i knew that i had to be willing to share my failures but also embrace
01:08:54.940my success which means i i'll tell you about the worst moments of my life i can tell you i can tell
01:09:00.200you the the rock bottom moments in my life and i can share them even a funny way or a serious way0.98
01:09:05.420because what i tell people is if you're at a rock bottom moment in your life don't be so fucking
01:09:09.840fast to get up and get out because there's so much data in failure you want it i'm telling you
01:09:16.360you almost want things to fuck up sometimes because that data you get from that are the
01:09:20.520building blocks for the stuff later so i'll talk about that but i also i i don't know how you guys
01:09:27.260feel about this like we're also in this time where it's like can anybody celebrate like hey for a
01:09:33.300minute i'm in the lead i got this and it's okay to be like i'm look i'm fucking special right now
01:09:38.940i'm fucking winning right now and we're now we all play kate and everybody i feel good about what0.67
01:09:44.560no no every once in a while you you have to be able to say i got it i'm the person you want to0.98
01:09:50.660fucking vote for i got hand me the baton i'm winning follow me why because you know i told0.98
01:09:58.120you when i fucked up and failed and fell down and i told you that now i'm telling you i'm gonna win0.99
01:10:03.860so like with this next special i got marty cornerback because i called marty and said0.98
01:10:07.280um i'm ready to do something in the holy shit business are you and he knew i wouldn't call him
01:10:14.140if i didn't think that i had something that i was really you know excited about because i was going0.96
01:10:20.080to share some of the failures but some of the upper high water moments so embrace the things
01:10:25.440that you know you're great at don't be afraid but it's a little cockshored once in a while be like0.96
01:10:29.280dude i got i'm fucking i got a swagger you don't have to live in like that don't be like that all0.96
01:10:33.720the time that's like nobody wants to be around that person but every once in a while we got to0.98
01:10:37.200be able to like fucking puff your chest out and be like i got this yeah kanye you know kanye every0.66
01:10:41.680once in a while i don't know about kanye but that but maybe taking his class that message you're0.98
01:10:49.160about uh rock bottom is super important to people watching this and people struggling because i
01:10:54.640always say for me the biggest catalyst in my life were the moments where my back was against the
01:10:58.840wall nothing spawned more creative nothing was more motivational nothing pushed me to actually
01:11:04.180fucking create and move and fire off like being in the worst let me ask you the question and it's0.85
01:11:10.340the hardest question but truly it's like you go back in time you have a moment to adjust something1.00
01:11:14.980here or there nothing nothing single fuck everything i am today is a result of everything0.60
01:11:20.360i was yesterday i got you man i know i i i i completely 100 percent um nothing's ever falling0.87
01:11:28.880apart it's only ever falling together and i and i lost both my parents to cancer in the same year0.95
01:11:34.100i watched both my mom and dad in the same year get sick with cancer and put up the best fucking
01:11:39.580fight that I I'm proud to say I watched and helped them fight but from those moments I learned so0.73
01:11:46.540much about empathy and compassion and being a man and showing up and loyalty and I learned about the
01:11:52.640person I didn't want to be anymore too which was I was kind of a fuck-up I wasn't always the person
01:11:57.020that you could rely on I wasn't always the best in my relationships I got selfish I did things
01:12:02.480that was just like for you know but I had to go back and in in those moments especially with my
01:12:08.220parents man it was sad but there was a lot of laughs even still even in those dark moments
01:12:15.100and from those moments it it gave me information that i needed to be better for all the people
01:12:21.600that do love me and are around me or my friends or then extended fans because people know like oh
01:12:26.400if i'm even if it's just a show i know if i buy a ticket my hard-earned dollar he's going to give
01:12:31.120me a great performance and i everything i meet that way in my life everybody in my life and
01:12:37.920And to speak, Logan, back to, like, there was a time when the ego, like, yeah, it hurt because, and I can't speak, you know, for your experience, but, like, sometimes you think, like, man, I did things that may be not repairable.0.99
01:12:51.800And it sucks because then some of these people won't get to know me that I've become better based on some stupid shit.0.98
01:13:00.040And some people won't tap back in after that.1.00