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00:02:10.740There's radical beliefs, but they met in the middle and they compromised to get something done.
00:22:21.160I guess, I guess, like, let's, let's go back a little bit and not talk about the rights
00:22:25.820even for a second but let's look at statistics because we're talking about data five percent of
00:22:30.720the world's population 50 of the guns that seems like something's off there it seems safe it seems
00:22:39.820safe 22.5 times higher gun homicide rate than any other first world country 22.5 times higher
00:22:50.980gun homicide rate. Do you not see a correlation between a mass of guns and a mass of gun homicide?
00:22:58.260Well, I see a correlation with gun registration and gun control and mass murder in communist0.84
00:23:04.920countries. That's what I see. So I don't think that you're correlate. We have a correlation,
00:23:11.300but that doesn't equal causation. So those don't, those two things don't equal each other.
00:23:15.940What I see is an armed society is a safe society. What I see is that almost 3 million lives are saved every year due to defensive use of firearms. That's what I see. I see that 98% of mass shootings are in gun-free zones. So if we want to talk about ending a gun violence problem, we need to go to where it's happening. It's happening in gun-free zones.
00:23:37.200well and it does go back to you know our founding fathers wrote this in the constitution that um
00:23:46.820you know alexander hamilton said the most natural defense of a free country is a well-regulated
00:23:51.820militia and then um even the anti-federalist side agrees so both sides of the coin agreed
00:23:59.700that we should have weapons and have a well-regulated militia um but times have changed
00:24:05.820So I guess how have you seen modern day times that we're living in interacting with the Second Amendment because it's a lot different language now?
00:24:14.580Well, yeah, well, we go from, you know, shotguns to now we have semi-automatic rifles, which I mean, I don't see a problem with that at all.
00:24:23.360If we want to talk about technology in the Second Amendment or even guns or firepower or weapons, we see the government has outrageous technology with their weapons and that should scare everybody.
00:24:34.880why because they aren't our friend the government yeah because they aren't our friend they aren't
00:24:42.040they aren't here they they aren't they okay let's let's let's say that's true are they our enemy
00:24:47.620then i would say slightly yes the country that we live in the people who run it yeah the people who
00:24:54.720so explain um because i do think there is some validity when we do look at how much our military
00:25:03.000kills other people around the world like we can't that's not an insane statement because
00:25:08.220like in the wars in iraq and afghanistan we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians like can you
00:25:14.160imagine if another country attacked the united states killed hundreds of thousands of people
00:25:18.660only lost let's say tens of thousands of people like it does seem weird that we stand we live in
00:25:26.540this country that's free then we and we kill so many people to maintain that freedom well
00:25:32.260maybe i might make some people mad with this one i don't think we're over there protecting our
00:25:39.860what freedoms are we protecting over there the government the u.s government would would argue
00:25:45.460that a safe nation overseas is a safe nation at home she's asking why though oh because if you
00:25:53.960allow if you allow syria afghanistan yemen jordan to or any other country let's not just say the
00:26:02.020middle east venezuela right to create an unstable state where where um isis or any other rogue
00:26:09.580militia is able to cultivate and and and grow and you don't put that down well who started it yeah
00:26:15.980all right let's but let's not get into that kind of stuff let's talk about how to fix it i want to
00:26:20.060roll it's actually it's it's well-known public knowledge that of course we've armed contras
00:26:26.100we've armed we are those people 100 but guess what like we even if we initially had a thought
00:26:32.540in mind and it grew out of control we then have to put that threat down and so that's the argument
00:26:36.820i'm not saying it's right but the u.s government argument is that we need to have safe nations
00:26:41.000overseas to protect our freedoms at home i i'm a little worried about going too far into foreign
00:26:47.600policy and our actions overseas when we're talking about our domestic state right now
00:26:51.620um and so i want to i want to ask this question um what are your thoughts on on uh on common gun
00:27:00.180sense reform and i know there's it's subjective and everybody's common sense is different but
00:27:04.220let's let's roll this out mental health checks in order to get a weapon okay and and there's a lot
00:27:10.680of thought that needs to go into that let's not just blanket it out there and annual just to make
00:27:15.440sure things are going right. Background checks for everyone at all gun shows everywhere. You can't
00:27:21.860walk into a gun show in Virginia and buy an 8R10. Can't do it. Meaning we know that the people that
00:27:27.660own weapons in this country are sane and don't have the intent to use them maliciously. What are
00:27:33.260your thoughts on that? Not government regulated. So let me go into depth of that. I don't think
00:27:38.740the government should have any type of gun control laws on the book. Leave it to the private
00:27:44.460individuals, leave it to the private gun stores to implement that. I'm not against background
00:27:50.640checks. I'm not against mental health checks. I'm not against checking up annually. If I go to,
00:27:57.740I don't know, a gun store and buy a handgun, if they want to put me through all of these tests,
00:28:03.420all of these checks, if I have to go get a physical just to have the gun, then that's
00:28:08.680their property. It's their rules for how I obtain that gun. That's fine. I don't think it should be
00:28:14.140government mandated i worked in a gun store and our government is so incompetent they can't even
00:28:18.900fill potholes in ohio i'm sure that you remember that the roads are pretty okay out here from what
00:28:25.840well we do live in encino the beautiful rolling hills no snow no snow yeah it's phenomenal yeah
00:28:31.260so you know if they can't fill potholes and get their you know shit together even fighting amongst
00:28:38.080each other why are we putting them in charge of regulating our rights you're telling us what we0.97
00:28:41.900need. So I worked at a gun store and a woman came in, purchased a handgun. Everything was green to0.98
00:28:47.120go proceed. You know, we did the background check. Everything came out fine. We'll come to find out
00:28:51.660she went and killed herself. And then when we got contacted by, um, you know, the police department
00:28:59.140come to find out she was never supposed to have a gun, but the agencies don't talk to each other
00:29:04.620that are supposed to report things to the FBI. So they didn't, they never reported it or else
00:29:38.940And because I know a lot of businesses have great reputations, they're not hitting their bottom line and they're and they're not going to be in business.
00:29:45.540I mean, right now. So if you give if you give private businesses the sole responsibility of background checking and mental health checking, you are going down a slippery slope that leads to businesses protecting their bottom line, which is the most important thing to business.
00:30:00.600I have to disagree with you. I think giving the government the power to regulate our Second
00:30:05.420Amendment right and our firearms is going down an extremely slippery slope because what they do is
00:30:10.560they say people who have a mental health disorder or mental illness can't go in and buy a gun.
00:30:18.280I'm pretty sure in Ohio, if the law hasn't changed, transgendered people technically have a mental0.75
00:30:23.280illness and they can't get a firearm. And then we say, OK, let's legalize weed. Let's do that.1.00
00:30:28.780I'm all for that. I was in the drug war. That's fine. But what comes with that? If you have to
00:30:34.780if you go and buy weed or if it's for a medical purpose, you can't have a gun anymore. It all
00:30:39.800ties into everything. They don't want us to be armed. We rose against Great Britain. That's how
00:30:45.380we won our independence, because three percent of the population in America rose up with firearms
00:30:50.660and we had the same firepower that they did. That's how we won our independence.
00:30:55.380so so i was gonna say i mean but those were times when people were fighting with muskets
00:31:00.640right times have changed so much i think there does need to be some sort of solution do you see
00:31:08.800or have a solution get rid of gun-free zones that's the first step get rid of gun-free zones
00:31:14.900government mandated gun-free zones 98 of mass shootings happen in gun-free zones so okay you
00:31:21.660get rid of gun-free zones and then what happens inevitably people buy and arm themselves with
00:31:27.300guns correct and then what if they choose everyone has a gun no i don't think everyone should have a
00:31:32.760gun that's where it comes back to i support background checks from private businesses i
00:31:37.780support that right now you can go and buy a gun there's a black market for firearms gang violence
00:31:43.680you know the number one perpetrator of gun violence is gangs 80 of gun homicides are drug
00:31:50.380related and gang related. So and that stems from the drug war. If we get rid of all these other
00:31:56.360things, including the drug war that's incorporated into the gun violence epidemic, I think that a lot
00:32:02.700of things would change and I think a lot of things would get better. Listen, and by the way, I'm not
00:32:07.440disagreeing with you on that stuff. I think we I think we as a as a country have problems that are
00:32:13.460contributing factor factors to homicide and i think the gun is the method that's used sometimes
00:32:20.600here we go i don't i know knives are using cars and hands i know all that stuff and i know i get
00:32:25.680that argument but i do agree with you that we have massive socioeconomic problems we have massive
00:32:31.380problems with drug wars and all these other factors so i do agree with you there but i
00:32:35.620i've never been able to come around to the fact that blanketing this country with even more guns
00:32:41.920is the solution to the problem like i just i i don't think i'll ever get on board when when do
00:32:46.560you think we have enough guns never why caitlin never come on i why would we regulate someone's
00:32:53.860property it's your property i'm not saying we're regulating their property that's a different
00:32:57.420question when when do we need more guns like when do we need in circulation i mean i think we have
00:33:08.080plenty i mean i don't know i don't really understand like when do we need more guns
00:33:12.360i guess when we need to fight against the tyrannical government can i but don't you
00:33:16.660think there's already enough weapons in the hands of american people to do that if i think so and
00:33:24.460plus we have a national guard like do you really think that americans are going to at one day
00:33:31.880start killing other americans i hope i mean we do right now and they're doing it without guns
00:33:37.320I hope that that time never comes.0.99
00:34:33.600Do you know what it's like to have an AC-130 rain 105 millimeter rounds on your buildings and houses while you're shooting back with an AR-10?
00:34:41.360We are not going to win the battle against our government.
00:34:54.900I think what's happened, and this is just my assumption, and, you know, it's my opinion, is that we have changed so much as a country and as a world that certain amendments, to Spencer's point, from the musket days, need some reshaping, okay?
00:35:12.660I know, and maybe, I don't know, I'm not talking about free speech right now, but listen, in your opinion or in your eyes, we should all have fighter jets.
00:35:24.740i didn't say that i didn't say we should all have them okay i think where i can where i can
00:35:30.440well i want to hear i didn't say we should all have them and i don't i'm not saying that everybody
00:35:35.320should have a gun i'm saying that we should have access to them to be able to obtain them if we
00:35:42.200wanted to so does that mean that bob over here who you know is punching and beating his wife
00:35:48.580should have a gun absolutely not i don't think he should but that doesn't mean that his right
00:35:53.240to have a gun should be restricted so that's where the private businesses come in we i'm gonna go back
00:35:59.940to uh the gun store i worked at this guy came in super shady guy we were like so we told him that
00:36:06.300his background check is gonna be delayed and we went and did our own background check this guy
00:36:12.080was a wife beater so we didn't sell him the gun the government told us to go ahead and give him
00:36:16.420the gun we went and done our own background checks no gun for that wife beater uh i sort of
00:36:23.160agree with mike's argument that the when it comes to businesses the bottom line is the only thing
00:36:27.260that like truly matters whether you agree with it or not like gun stores want to stay in business
00:36:31.280and they're going to sell guns to stay in business um do you have any sort of uh combat for that
00:36:38.500argument because that is a strong one for me i mean yeah so i have a personal experience like
00:36:42.420then obviously, you know, like personal experiences don't make an argument, but I was going to work
00:36:48.260at a different firearm store in Ohio and come to find out that his reputation was so poor
00:36:53.780that even a lawyer reached out to me and was like, don't work for them. Like, this is terrible. So
00:36:58.440our society, if we would just care about people more, and I think that's a big part of it too,
00:37:05.000is how we treat each other. A hundred percent. A hundred percent of how we treat each other,
00:37:08.320how people are raised but anyway you know you go online and you look at the reviews for this store0.99
00:37:14.560absolute trash absolute trash and now they're not in business anymore because he was such a shitty0.99
00:37:20.120person and such a bad person and how he handled business and how he handled people's money and0.99
00:37:26.440how he treated people he's no longer in business anymore okay but i think it kind of contradicts
00:37:30.880to what it's it's i was gonna say it's it's a bit hypocritical maybe we're gonna say for something
00:37:35.140else but I know like some of the things that you've done and the way you've treated people
00:37:38.960or talked to people like especially with um David Hogg from from Parkland I mean well I called him
00:37:45.060twig arms yeah well that's true because he called me a racist so I mean like I would never just go
00:37:51.080after him for no reason and I don't think that just because he was in a school shooting you know0.93
00:37:58.800puts up a special shield to where we aren't allowed to criticize his ideas now that's not
00:38:03.760true and you know i was going after his his twig arms because one he does have twig arms and two
00:38:08.640he was straight up calling me a racist spencer so i mean twig arms and you challenged david
00:38:14.740and arm wrestling match how about this we'll talk about that later no i want you to i want
00:38:21.540you to arm wrestle mike and if he wins you have to you have to give up all your guns
00:38:25.300me yeah no i'm good i'm good what mike's a big boy i was going to mention it it kind of
00:38:34.080contradicts the idea that we have enough guns in circulation like at what point um does it become
00:38:42.460where people who support you know gun laws like yourself are just being obnoxious and i think
00:38:52.680Well, like going on a campus with a, you know, a rifle strapped to your back.0.90
00:38:57.440To me, that says a lot about the ignorance of that side.
00:39:05.220Because can you imagine like if you're a student?0.98
00:39:08.600Well, OK, what I thought is if I was a student at that campus, I would be fucking horrified.0.97
00:39:16.220because i have seen so many school shootings and i see someone walking with a rifle around campus0.95
00:39:23.880that's scary that's scary no that's safe no it's but that's your opinion and i guarantee if you
00:39:29.920ask a crowd of 100 people and if you say hey i'm gonna i'm gonna really respect what these 100
00:39:35.500people have to say i guarantee you the majority of them are gonna say that's scary if they see
00:39:39.920anybody coming on their campus with a rifle yo yeah you're lucky you don't get shot doing that
00:39:45.000Well, let me tell you about this photo. So in April, so that was taken in May. In April, I organized an open carry demonstration on our campus. I had 50 gun owners with firearms there. There were probably more guns than people at that, you know, little rally that I had in April. And it was the safest time to be on campus. So what I'm doing is here, this is what I did was perfectly legal. That was 100% legal.
00:40:13.180Yeah, we know that. Yeah. So when I graduated, I was finally able to arm myself. That's the whole
00:40:17.900point of the caption I put. But a day later, I wasn't even allowed to have my handgun. So I went
00:40:22.680out and I made a point. I made a point. I had an officer with me. I contacted the school four days
00:40:27.940ahead, three days ahead. And when I got there, I didn't take it out until an officer was with me.
00:40:32.360And I did it when very few people were on campus because I'm not trying to go out there with the
00:40:37.100rifle and scare people i would never walk around like this around school that's not the point the
00:40:43.420point was to make a bold statement in a photo and i think it's just marketing it's marketing the
00:40:49.080point that now i can have a rifle but i couldn't have my handgun a day earlier in the classroom
00:40:54.220that's the point well it does make us think because that's crazy to me that you know you
00:40:59.740you can't student faculty and staff can't have a deadly weapon but a visitor can yes so that's to
00:41:05.520me i that makes sense that does make sense that you're bringing awareness to that because that
00:41:08.980is kind of crazy i i think i think for for me having now talked to you and sat with you i think
00:41:15.540what bothers me and i don't know if it's what bothers spencer is the optics of how you do your
00:41:21.000things right and so like i get it you made a statement right well like and you and you and
00:41:25.560you also you also have a ton of really valid points like really valid points about how we
00:41:32.000treat each other in this country the protection of of women and and how we protect ourselves as a
00:41:38.560as a as civilians but i think unfortunately those valid points are shaded over by some of your more
00:41:47.200extreme views and how you and how you bring them to to the public eye yeah i've heard that before
00:41:52.540and that's that kind of sucks because to be honest with you in my eyes right now the biggest problem0.77
00:41:58.040we have in this country is is a divided state and i'm not saying who do did it was it obama was it0.78
00:42:05.980trump whatever right it's the fact that you have people on the on the right saying that every view
00:42:12.040that opposes their view is from a leftist ideology and people on the left saying i stay right here
00:42:18.040right and wrong find solutions common sense okay and so common sense is subjective like you always
00:42:24.940But unfortunately, I think after now talking to you and seeing who you are, that like I said, you have a lot of very valid points that are slightly overshadowed by your theatrics.0.98
00:42:38.520Well, I mean, I've heard that argument before, but a lot of people take what I say and what I do and even gun owners will be like, you're just too extreme for us.0.97
00:42:50.220And I, I just look at them and I'm like, your opinions don't matter to me because you're,
00:42:54.460if you're going to coward when people are trying to limit our mag size to five rounds,
00:43:00.200then, you know, you aren't in this discussion.
00:43:03.220I mean, why do you need a magazine that holds more than five rounds?
00:43:08.200So what if 10 people are coming in your house to rob you?
00:43:12.040So you are not going to, especially with, um, a 380, like my handgun holds a 380.
00:48:17.280They inflate these numbers when two-thirds of gun homicides are suicides.
00:48:22.020I don't think it's fair to put that statistic when we're talking about restricting gun ownership because someone killed themselves.
00:48:29.060I don't think that's fair because when we talk about gun violence, we're talking about people killing each other or using guns against one another when they shouldn't be.
00:48:37.100Well, it would still be nice to take the gun out of the suicidal person's hand, would it not?
00:59:14.340So, you know, one building off what you mentioned, though, you know, I love this quote from Benjamin Franklin.
00:59:21.060He says those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
00:59:28.960I think that's important to to address when we're talking about this argument.
00:59:33.500How do we move forward? Because if we're all going to sacrifice our liberties, which is our freedoms to have what we are trying to all come together and identify a safety, right?
00:59:44.980Both sides want safety. They don't want to be scared of weapons. And the people who have weapons want to protect themselves against weapons.
00:59:50.820So the general cause is there, like the good intentions from both sides is there.
00:59:56.960So do you think it is because it's safety, you know, and your definition of safety is
01:00:02.500completely different to somebody else's.
01:00:07.620So at what point does the conversation and I think this is something that we've really
01:00:12.800avoided from both parties because of these combative ways of talking.
01:00:16.540At what point does the conversation not start at guns, but instead moves to mental health and ensuring that our nation actually cares and understands what mental health even is?
01:00:32.200I've never seen someone say that mental health isn't something that we should focus on when we talk about guns.
01:00:38.180I don't I've never seen anybody say like, no, let's not talk about mental health because that I mean, who what drives someone to go and shoot up a school?
01:00:45.940mental health issues no sane person is going to go do that so it is all mental health it's how we
01:00:51.740raise our families it's how we treat each other in society that's what i'm talking about mental
01:00:56.680health and i absolutely agree with you so do you think your videos of you going out to campuses
01:01:01.300and you doing all these things with weapons do you think that's just for clout what videos
01:01:06.920going out to campus being so combative then if you know it's about mental health but you want to
01:01:11.300really make it about guns do you think that that's kind of not productive i i guess i don't
01:01:18.100understand he's like are you are you poking the beast are you instigating to instigate
01:01:24.560instigating to instigate i will tell you what i don't go out there and go and treat people poorly
01:01:30.820just to get a reaction never if you like go on our youtube and look at these videos or you look
01:01:36.520at my Twitter I will never go out there and start provoking because if I'm caring I carry to protect
01:01:42.900myself from those type of situations I'm never going to put myself in one the one situation
01:01:47.840though that I think is not accurate is you put out a video to what you just said you put out a video
01:01:53.600where there was an obese lady and you told her to eat the mic and and or you said eat it and then0.65
01:02:01.820she got mad at you and you said i carry like so okay let's talk about that off camera she had
01:02:07.640already hit me she had already pushed my cameraman michael over there why were you not filming that
01:02:13.680you just weren't because no we well so i don't know why he if he was filming that um was just
01:02:20.120in the lead up to it so it was in the lead up we were in the middle of protest just interviewing
01:02:23.580people and these young group of girls recognized me and as i was standing there they started getting
01:02:30.380like really pumped up that I was there and they were you know when people see me they're like oh
01:02:35.020let's go say something to her let's go say something let's be heroes so they were coming
01:02:39.840up to me and we were I tried to talk to them and then I was putting you know getting their0.99
01:02:44.320interviews or whatever she starts cussing at me you have a fucking assault rifle and I was like1.00
01:02:48.860what is an assault rifle I was trying to just talk to her like challenge her like what tell me1.00
01:02:52.940what an assault rifle is she starts getting really heated and once I start like telling her that she1.00
01:02:57.480doesn't know what an assault rifle is she starts getting real mad she starts getting in my face1.00
01:03:01.600and then we ended up just walking away from her and going to the other woman who had the boobs1.00
01:03:05.780drawn on her shirt in that video and then she starts over here screaming again because she's1.00
01:03:10.800getting pumped up and this is she's already hit me she's already hit my cameraman like i said
01:03:15.240i think as soon as she hit me he put his camera down because why not if something's going to
01:03:21.620happen what's more important making sure that the situation gets diffused or you know and then
01:03:27.180views it depends on who you ask because he might he would probably keep well no like i don't like
01:03:32.140that i don't want to get filmed i don't want to be filmed getting assaulted i'd rather stop it
01:03:36.540that's not my point but that would enhance your argument unfortunately it's unfortunate but but
01:03:42.120i'm not there to get assaulted i've also heard you say that whenever you go on college campuses
01:03:46.860or to events you you film all your interactions yes well when i'm on a college campus i do film
01:03:52.480all of my interactions right and not every situation turns out the same i mean did we have
01:03:57.960the cameras rolling yeah probably oh no we'd have to ask michael about that situation because that
01:04:02.540was clear and i don't even remember what that was but anyway she had already physically touched me
01:04:08.040assaulted me tried to break our equipment so why didn't you leave because i mean like i said i
01:04:14.420walked away from her after that i walked away and then she kept screaming in my ear again so i just
01:04:18.980put the mic up to get her and what logan's saying is why why do you find the need to poke the beast
01:04:24.340because that's what you're doing somebody somebody wanted you gone that's kind of and you're like
01:04:28.500too well somebody somebody else is having a protest you know somebody else there's another
01:04:33.880group having a protest and you want to go in there because you know you're going to get reactions you
01:04:39.240know you're going to stir the pot you know people are going to get angry well and then you're
01:04:43.500threatening okay so you're saying it's fun it is fun so it's is it fun to threaten them by pulling
01:04:48.400your firearm i've never done that but you threatened no i didn't when did i say by saying
01:04:54.000by saying you know i carry i haven't even explained that you know i carry is you know i have a gun
01:04:58.980that's a threat that's not a threat the law would not agree with you it's not a threat to go into
01:05:05.300this situation for fun consciously knowing that you're going to stir the pot knowing my how they
01:05:12.920react to me is not my problem i'm not gonna stop going to these things out of intimidation because
01:05:19.080they don't like me that's not the type of person but but you know going into that okay that in your
01:05:25.420arsenal is i want to i want to let them know that i have a gun no that is not probably didn't want
01:05:31.900to until she was that is not my intention listen i don't her stirring the pot protest counter
01:05:38.140protest is is an effective way for both sides and always has been to get a point across like I don't
01:05:44.000think she's a rogue agent going to counter a protest and I and I stand behind your right
01:05:49.160to counter protest and I also think that some of the stuff you have done has been a way to open up
01:05:56.380this conversation because by the way you wouldn't be here and you wouldn't be on the internet
01:06:00.680talk bringing this conversation up and so like i have always been one to stand behind the the
01:06:07.560troublemaker who offends a few people when done safely okay because i i would agree with you in
01:06:13.720a lot of ways we have moved to a place where we are so fucking sensitive we can't do anything0.56
01:06:17.120anymore okay and so i'm not i'm not saying you do things the right way all the time but you do0.55
01:06:22.020get conversation started but what i will say to you is this i as a as a just as a human not as a
01:06:29.540podcast or interviewer I would urge you to look for ways to create actual change as opposed to
01:06:38.040just making a statement through video or through poking the beast or whatever you want to call it
01:06:43.380and one of the ways you will do that is not aligning yourself with people like Alex Jones
01:06:49.360I am I am just going to be blunt with you you have very you have some very strong points and
01:06:56.020And I hate that you're going to get lumped into the category of people that are clinically0.99
01:08:21.160but what mike's saying is that you're identifying with someone who is so far in the direction that
01:08:28.540they're like one of the only people in the world to get banned from twitter and facebook like
01:08:35.480twitter twitter has people twitter you can have post porn you can't put alex jones can't have an
01:08:41.360account that shows what type of madness is no that shows what these people are trying to censor
01:08:46.760But if there's porn out there and then they want to censor Alex Jones for crazy opinions or the things he says, don't you think that says more about Twitter?
01:08:54.800They're censoring him for reasons that he's he's a dangerous dude when he with his beliefs and what he's doing there.
01:09:02.120I don't I don't there. He's not he's stirring people up to get angry and fight the system and go against things that why are we why are we operating like that?
01:09:12.360And why are you associating with someone like that when we just had a whole discussion that you want, but you agree with us that we need to meet in the middle.
01:09:18.960You're not going to meet in the middle.