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00:02:10.720 You've said it twice now that humans look at animals as lesser than them.

00:02:16.280 Like, yo, when I see a squirrel outside, I'm sorry.

00:02:18.260 I am superior to that squirrel.

00:02:19.920 In what way?

00:02:20.460 Do you believe that or no?

00:02:21.740 Well, in what way?

00:02:22.440 My life is more valuable than the squirrel's life.

00:02:24.680 Do you believe that?

00:02:25.420 I believe to you it is.

00:02:26.660 I believe to the squirrel, the squirrel's life is more valuable.

00:02:29.360 True.

00:02:29.660 The squirrel, though, did not found a civilization.

00:02:34.120 Neither did you.

00:02:35.640 I'm a human. 1.00

00:02:36.500 You didn't do that shit, though. 1.00

00:02:38.100 I did not do it. 1.00

00:02:38.760 My ancestors did.

00:02:40.100 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:40.820 Okay.

00:02:49.780 What was that?

00:02:50.780 Did you just bark?

00:02:51.680 Yeah, you all right.

00:02:53.460 No, what was that?

00:02:54.360 I do want to know.

00:02:54.940 It sounded like pearl.

00:02:56.000 The word is this, and we don't use this word much in society anymore,

00:02:58.880 but it's called a belch. 1.00

00:03:00.420 It's a burp that has

00:03:01.600 very long reach.

00:03:03.660 That's incredible.

00:03:04.340 Welcome back to Impulsive,

00:03:05.180 by the way.

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00:03:09.320 Oh, yo,

00:03:09.880 I came up with this thing.

00:03:11.260 What do you got?

00:03:11.540 I think I should say that

00:03:12.840 cooler from now on.

00:03:14.140 Welcome back to Impulsive,

00:03:15.660 the number one podcast

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00:03:19.120 Thank you guys for listening,

00:03:19.980 watching, subscribing.

00:03:21.480 Wherever you do so,

00:03:22.780 YouTube, iTunes, Spotify. 0.99

00:03:24.760 I don't really give a fuck. 0.98

00:03:26.480 As long as you're watching, 0.99

00:03:27.800 hit that button.

00:03:28.360 button that subscribe button um leave your feedback we love hearing it we do an audio

00:03:33.800 only q a with the guest after the show is over i feel like a broken record saying this every time

00:03:38.400 it's the second podcast of the day we did extreme goat yoga this morning and i sat in an oxygen

00:03:43.320 chamber so i could fix my brain my brain my prefrontal cortex so i could feel empathy

00:03:48.520 i thought you're supposed to sleep in it you're just like doing sessions in it yeah 80 hours i

00:03:54.820 i go one hour every morning and so it's also like i i just addressed this on twitter you were in the

00:04:00.400 video um dude some people are saying the brain scan is fake and they're like comparing it next to

00:04:04.780 an image that's like very clearly different but also it's a brain scan so it's like brains look

00:04:09.660 similar uh anyways i just addressed it i didn't want to address it but to everyone doubting the 0.98

00:04:14.580 who are the some people suck a cock who are these people and i asked him i said why do you even 0.94

00:04:18.920 fucking respond like the thing about me is like you saw these people reach out to me on twitter 0.99

00:04:23.380 sometimes, and they say, Mike, when are you 0.99

00:04:25.580 going to start listening to the feedback from

00:04:27.480 us on the YouTube videos, and when

00:04:29.540 you do this on the podcast, I say, 0.99

00:04:31.580 quite literally, don't give a fuck, 0.99

00:04:33.540 so I'm not going to ever listen to it. 0.99

00:04:35.000 Just because, bro, like, look. 0.99

00:04:37.680 I don't give a shit, bro. 0.99

00:04:38.820 Being a Twitter headline is dope. 0.99

00:04:41.440 But I'm kind of over it for

00:04:43.000 scandals and controversies.

00:04:45.720 I don't want to do it anymore.

00:04:46.600 So it made it up to a headline?

00:04:47.800 No, no.

00:04:48.400 If it made it up to a headline, 0.99

00:04:50.520 I would fucking 1.00

00:04:51.620 I'd lose my shit 1.00

00:04:55.100 Fake a brain scan 1.00

00:04:56.280 Yo

00:04:56.740 The dude who

00:04:57.840 Did my brain scan

00:04:59.460 Is a legitimate doctor

00:05:01.280 Who will lose his job

00:05:02.620 If he fakes a brain scan 1.00

00:05:03.960 For some fucking YouTuber 1.00

00:05:05.320 Suck a cock 1.00

00:05:06.440 I need my charger bro 1.00

00:05:07.680 My phone

00:05:08.080 My laptop's about to die 1.00

00:05:09.420 Fucking morons dude 1.00

00:05:11.760 I swear to god 1.00

00:05:12.280 Nah listen

00:05:12.940 Listen

00:05:13.360 It's all fun

00:05:15.040 It's all good energy

00:05:16.260 You got it bro

00:05:16.700 And also like

00:05:17.320 I feel bad coming in here

00:05:18.920 So

00:05:19.540 Hot 0.86

00:05:20.360 Negatively charged

00:05:21.140 because we got a great guest today.

00:05:23.320 I'm on his website right now.

00:05:25.000 It says, be kind whenever possible.

00:05:26.680 And it's always possible.

00:05:27.920 It's a quote from the Dalai Lama.

00:05:29.340 But still, bro, he embodies kindness.

00:05:31.080 It's the guy, bro.

00:05:31.880 He's so dope.

00:05:32.460 He's super dope.

00:05:33.580 I want to introduce him, guys.

00:05:35.260 He is an animal rights activist.

00:05:36.940 He's a plant-based Australian super vegan.

00:05:40.140 Is that a thing?

00:05:40.720 And yeah, he took a vow of silence for one year, actually.

00:05:45.120 And then started professionally yodeling after,

00:05:47.380 which was an interesting choice.

00:05:48.700 Ladies and gentlemen.

00:05:49.600 It's a swerver.

00:05:50.080 It's James Aspie. 0.97

00:05:54.480 Hey, can you roll those sound effects of the audience clapping that we never fucking got? 0.90

00:05:58.120 Thanks, bro. 0.78

00:05:58.560 I appreciate it.

00:05:58.740 And the yodeling.

00:05:59.780 And the yodeling.

00:06:00.720 You didn't yodel.

00:06:01.940 You don't know that.

00:06:03.160 No, I don't.

00:06:04.700 Can you imagine you go from not talking for an entire year to yodeling?

00:06:09.180 First things first, man.

00:06:10.380 Let's yodel.

00:06:11.040 Have you ever yodeled?

00:06:11.920 I don't think I have.

00:06:13.040 I think I have a couple.

00:06:15.240 Yodeling, yodeling, yodeling.

00:06:17.900 That was pretty good.

00:06:18.840 That was good.

00:06:19.620 That was good.

00:06:20.080 I think we can do it.

00:06:20.800 Thanks, Ramsey over here.

00:06:21.940 Hey, how you doing, bro?

00:06:22.740 Here, you got an accent.

00:06:23.620 You're not from around here?

00:06:24.880 Yeah, man.

00:06:25.260 I'm from Australia, and I appreciate having me on.

00:06:27.080 Thanks, brother.

00:06:27.520 Of course, dude.

00:06:28.200 Of course.

00:06:29.200 Yeah, thank you for coming on.

00:06:30.700 So, I Googled your name.

00:06:34.200 What's this I see about vegan activist James Aspie running for parliament?

00:06:38.780 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:39.140 Animal rights activist James Aspie plans to win an Australian election. 0.99

00:06:42.340 That's some new shit. 1.00

00:06:43.380 What? 1.00

00:06:44.460 Are you a politician guy?

00:06:46.340 I look man they the animal justice party in Australia reached out to me and they said

00:06:51.660 I might be able to help them out if I be a candidate and get you know if I get elected

00:06:57.340 in my electorate then the people who are really going to get in there and make some changes

00:07:01.200 can do that so I'm just helping them out are you doing it I'm doing that part of it you're

00:07:05.940 going for it I'll do whatever I can man that's one small thing I can do so let's go I see you

00:07:10.600 I see you were brought up in plant-based news that's a interesting plant-based news it's an

00:07:15.660 interesting publication that's a good one man they do a thing every year vegan 2018 be vegan 2017

00:07:21.620 all the big highlights of the year what's going on in the plant-based vegan animal rights world

00:07:25.620 and it's always interesting man big stuff happens so you know there's a lot of talk about to talk

00:07:30.380 about with you you've done a lot of you've done a lot of stuff even like on your website here for

00:07:33.940 example like uh i took a 365 day valve silence to raise awareness and for animals and promote

00:07:39.480 peace over violence i want to talk about that uh it says here you cycled 5 000 kilometers got 0.98

00:07:43.940 tattooed for 25 hours you've given over 150 speeches you do you do a lot of shit i'm getting 0.99

00:07:48.980 busy man yeah this vow of silence how can you make 150 speeches while you're silent i'm really 0.99

00:07:55.560 good at body language you're lying i bet by now you are yeah yeah i got real good man i'm the

00:08:01.420 charades expert around here you didn't speak for an entire year i'll be honest with you yes

00:08:07.400 i did not man but a few words slipped out about five times just by accident what were the words 1.00

00:08:12.980 Oh, fuck, shit, bitch 1.00

00:08:17.240 Something shit like that 1.00

00:08:20.060 I don't even remember, man 0.95

00:08:21.420 They were just random words

00:08:22.540 They just went out before I could catch them

00:08:25.000 But yeah, man, I did a whole year

00:08:26.480 Deliberately not speaking

00:08:28.060 And nothing deliberate came out

00:08:29.460 I want to quickly test your language

00:08:34.560 You say you're really good with body language

00:08:36.060 Tell me you want me to turn the lights off

00:08:39.560 That's pretty good

00:08:45.780 That's pretty good

00:08:46.940 This is a fun game 1.00

00:08:48.820 How do you ask a girl if she's down to smash 0.99

00:08:52.500 Wait that looked like you were trying to have sex with a baby 0.99

00:09:02.240 To be quite honest with you 0.92

00:09:03.480 It's not a perfect science

00:09:04.520 It's really not a perfect science

00:09:08.600 He didn't label the 200 arrests that took place.

00:09:12.840 No, but that's, I mean.

00:09:14.260 You can't put it all on the side, man.

00:09:16.500 Whenever my voice, whenever I'm sick and I can't speak

00:09:19.720 and my voice is not up to par, I'm not going to lie, dude.

00:09:23.480 I feel powerless.

00:09:25.340 I feel like I can't do anything.

00:09:27.940 Well, that was the point, man,

00:09:29.200 because the animals who I was doing a vow of silence for,

00:09:33.040 they're basically voiceless as well.

00:09:35.380 I mean, actually not so much because they have a voice. 0.72

00:09:38.040 they're speaking in their own languages a pig for example as you guys probably know you hear all them

00:09:42.540 grunts with their body language included and the sounds they make they saying 80 different things 0.96

00:09:47.960 that we're aware of so they're speaking but the problem is it's falling on deaf ears their screams

00:09:52.860 their cries we don't actually hear it we don't pay attention to it because we view them as so

00:09:59.480 much less than us that it just doesn't really register that it's something we should actually

00:10:03.120 care about and that's due to a lot of conditioning and brainwashing for us to believe in this in this

00:10:09.020 form of discrimination that some lives matter more than others so not not to not to uh disagree with

00:10:15.080 you and i don't want this to be taken out of context or the wrong way but there's a lot of

00:10:17.900 people um especially i know where i came from the flyover states middle america who would argue that

00:10:23.720 pigs are indeed less than us you would uh testify otherwise well i mean in many ways you know look

00:10:30.040 at what we've done man we're very sophisticated and we're we're incredible an incredible species

00:10:35.560 one of millions though and what we have in common is what I'm talking about we all have a heart we 0.98

00:10:41.160 all have a brain we all feel pain suffer want to live don't want to die if I stab you in the throat

00:10:47.060 it feels the same as if I stab a dog or a dolphin or a whale or a pig in the throat so yeah in some

00:10:53.760 ways of course we're superior and in some ways different animals are superior when it comes to

00:10:58.280 you know different things in their in the way how they can communicate over miles or they

00:11:03.240 they're um you know the way that they can find a position in the world that they return to after

00:11:09.220 years of not being there in just different ways so but obviously yeah what we do is incredible but

00:11:14.360 it doesn't justify us enslaving them breeding them into existence for the sole purpose of

00:11:20.980 killing them so we can harvest the meat from their bodies or their eggs or their um or their milk

00:11:26.440 Is there any world that you see that as being an okay thing to do? 0.99

00:11:33.060 In a world where it's necessary.

00:11:35.040 And I wouldn't say that it's okay.

00:11:36.600 I would say a necessary evil, you know, it ain't good, but it's necessary.

00:11:41.020 But we're not cavemen anymore.

00:11:42.860 We've evolved to a point where we no longer need to kill and eat other beings to survive and thrive.

00:11:48.720 We've got the science behind us.

00:11:50.020 We've got the technology behind us.

00:11:51.460 we've got the access to these delicious plant-based foods right here.

00:11:56.880 And it goes further than that.

00:11:58.460 Now we can get meat that is made from plants.

00:12:00.640 It tastes the same.

00:12:01.300 It's healthier, better for the planet.

00:12:03.100 No one needed to get their throat slip for that.

00:12:05.040 You had those Impossible burgers?

00:12:06.780 I love those burgers, man.

00:12:08.520 And they've got Impossible 2.0 now, which is supposed to be even better.

00:12:12.200 We actually had them.

00:12:13.080 It's impossible.

00:12:13.720 We all had them here.

00:12:15.260 What did you think of that?

00:12:16.420 They're great.

00:12:17.180 They're great.

00:12:17.860 Evan here, who hates alternative burgers, when he bit it, he had no idea.

00:12:25.020 I was eating them left and right.

00:12:27.020 Yeah, yeah, that good, man.

00:12:27.920 I have a question for you.

00:12:29.160 So I think a lot of times we bring guests on the show that are radically right or left or radically vegan or not vegan.

00:12:36.820 And I try to remain somewhat in the middle.

00:12:40.600 And so my question, I guess one of my questions to you is, is there a step we can take as a society before we try to take this large leap of turning people vegan or getting people to live this plant based diet?

00:12:54.340 I, for one, believe there's large steps we can take in the humane slaughter practice.

00:13:01.680 okay and i think we're we're not doing enough and i and i you know i i hope it gets better but i've

00:13:06.940 seen some horror stories coming out of slaughterhouses in america just absolutely terrible

00:13:10.640 and um do you think that there's more like there's more credibility or warrant in a movement to kind

00:13:20.020 of change that than to get people to start eating plants only because it's such a leap it seems like

00:13:24.800 such a leap and i totally understand that because for 26 years of my life i was eating just as much 0.99

00:13:29.140 meet as anybody you sick fuck i'm a fucking monster man i know i know but um i think that 0.99

00:13:37.300 what you're asking for is something that can't exist a humane way to enslave a humane holocaust 1.00

00:13:43.780 a humane murder i don't think those things exist so i don't think you can use the word humane which

00:13:48.760 means to show compassion when we're talking about taking the lives of sentient beings who do not want

00:13:55.940 to die. So I don't think that's a good way to do it. Is that an approach? Is that a step we can

00:14:01.120 take to reduce their suffering on the way to abolishing animal slavery? Potentially, yes,

00:14:08.540 just purely in terms of strategy. And that could be one route to take. It seems like a very big

00:14:14.480 deal for people to go vegan overnight. Okay, so why don't you try taking this step and going

00:14:18.720 vegetarian first? Or maybe in the meantime, we can make bigger cages or kill them in a way that 0.99

00:14:25.040 they don't feel it as much but a lesser of two evils is still evil man and there's we shouldn't 0.96

00:14:30.500 be looking for the right way to do the wrong thing so i think that although that's a possibility 0.93

00:14:35.100 something we could work towards ultimately the goal should be let's end the holocaust let's end

00:14:40.280 the animal holocaust let's end all animal slavery i don't think we should be doing this thing like i

00:14:45.380 said it comes back to necessity when we know that we can get every single essential nutrient we need 0.72

00:14:50.020 from a plant-based diet and a b12 supplement and that's all we need to get it all you think that's

00:14:55.020 realistic i do man i think it's actually the only realistic way to go because currently we're

00:15:00.520 wasting 16 times more um more land 13 times more water 11 times more oil we're producing 50 times

00:15:10.180 more gas emission greenhouse gas emissions we uh we are killing ourselves you know one in four

00:15:16.320 people die in a heart disease the number one killer the only diet proven to reverse heart

00:15:20.740 disease in the majority of patients is a plant-based diet people are getting diabetes they're getting

00:15:25.320 different cancers all these things where where it's the only way forward i believe and you know

00:15:30.960 i'm not just that's just not just me saying that that's united nations that's some of the largest

00:15:35.460 environmental protection organizations on the planet so i think that if we want to move forward

00:15:40.520 this is going to be the way to do it do i think everybody's going to go vegan overnight nah i

00:15:44.840 didn't even do that most vegans were vegetarian first or did something or took some steps but we

00:15:49.380 can all take some steps and we have an obligation a moral obligation to do better once we know better

00:15:55.820 most people don't know better they think they need to eat animals to survive they think that

00:15:59.700 they're not going to be able to enjoy vegan food they have no idea what to cook they think they

00:16:03.700 can't afford it but all of those things you know there's there's a way and it's cheaper and healthier

00:16:08.500 and easier and the millions of recipes at our fingertips so i think cheaper and easier were

00:16:13.900 two that stuck out to me that could not be more of a fault to us and i mean you can you could lead

00:16:20.640 this one i'm sure i'm just saying like it's not cheaper well no definitely no let me explain what

00:16:25.720 i mean let me explain what i mean okay so aside from the fact that you're probably going to be

00:16:30.420 able to do more days at work and have less sick days you're probably going to not have to be on

00:16:33.900 the table getting your your chest cut open and have surgeries and pay for all these medical bills

00:16:38.600 because you're reducing your chances of getting many diseases but aside from that but aside from

00:16:42.820 that. That's totally aside from that. I see what you're doing.

00:16:44.500 That's just an added point.

00:16:46.440 I also think too from

00:16:48.240 a cost perspective

00:16:50.840 that

00:16:52.000 we live with a chef.

00:16:55.020 She's cooking high-end

00:16:56.260 vegan meals. On a baseline

00:16:58.660 beans and rice

00:17:00.220 brown rice, quinoa

00:17:02.500 the things that

00:17:04.040 give you all your essential aminos

00:17:06.540 and nutrients

00:17:07.580 extremely cheap.

00:17:10.040 Potatoes, oats, imposter.

00:17:12.820 To give you cheaper.

00:17:14.220 I will never admit easier.

00:17:16.580 All right.

00:17:17.020 Ever.

00:17:17.480 And mind you, Spencer's a vegan.

00:17:19.400 So it's like the non-vegans versus vegans right now.

00:17:21.680 And by the way, I used to be vegan.

00:17:23.660 Andre's a vegan too.

00:17:24.740 I used to be vegan.

00:17:26.580 I did four months last year.

00:17:28.360 And the first month of this year, well, 26 days.

00:17:30.620 Yeah, I did it with him.

00:17:31.240 Good stuff.

00:17:31.760 Yeah, the house went vegan.

00:17:33.700 Joe, pulling up some stats on that, just real quick.

00:17:35.880 For four months of you being vegan, you saved 132,000 gallons of water,

00:17:43.260 3,600 square feet of forest, 120 animal lives, and 2,400 pounds of CO2.

00:17:50.080 For how long was that?

00:17:51.260 For four months.

00:17:51.980 For four months.

00:17:53.380 So I have so many questions.

00:17:55.460 I'm going to try to keep them in line with the conversation.

00:17:58.480 I guess one of them I've talked to Spencer a lot about is I think there are a

00:18:05.880 vegan research and they say no that's not true no that's not true i have a very different approach

00:18:12.560 my my response is i don't know if i believe that i don't know if i believe that yet because the

00:18:21.120 thing about veganism and it is even if it's been around for 30 years is a 40 50 100 as far as i'm

00:18:27.900 concerned the research on it and the true wave that we're on right now has been around for 10

00:18:32.180 years you know what i'm saying it's a new it's a new thing people just started talking about it

00:18:35.840 just started really really digging into it so i don't know what the heart disease of a bean eater

00:18:42.000 is going to look like in 40 years i don't know what the what the uh what the heart disease of

00:18:48.640 of us just a rice and starch and bean and potato eater is going to look like you know and so

00:18:53.660 So I am wide open to listening to the argument, but I'm also very reluctant to just trade over on it.

00:19:04.280 And I instead want to rely on just what I've found, which is an incredibly inconvenient diet that I can never find a place to eat.

00:19:12.560 If I'm at an airport and I'm eating vegan, I'm just going to eat a granola bar because that's all I got.

00:19:16.420 That's it.

00:19:17.040 Airports can be challenging.

00:19:18.240 Challenging.

00:19:18.720 All right.

00:19:19.160 um that could be pretty expensive unless you want to just eat you know bodega beans and rice 0.99

00:19:25.260 and uh and also unless you're really willing to put in the work to eat a lot of fucking food 0.93

00:19:33.040 you're going to lose mass muscle and a lot of other bodily functions you've become used to 0.99

00:19:40.860 right i i shit 15 times a day well literally 15 times a day cool cool and so and so basic 0.91

00:19:47.160 And so basing it, and so basing it strictly on what I've seen and dealt with myself, I'm still reluctant. 0.98

00:19:54.800 I hear you, man.

00:19:55.240 I'm, you know, that's the smartest place to be. 0.99

00:19:57.900 I didn't learn all this shit and go, okay, that must be solid. 0.99

00:20:00.660 It's a different argument to what I've heard before. 0.99

00:20:03.060 So of course I'm going to straight away listen to it.

00:20:04.800 Nah, you know, I didn't, I didn't pay attention to what I'd heard.

00:20:08.160 I watched documentaries and that as well, isn't something you just take for face value, but you don't need to be, you don't need a lot of papers and studies to look around and see.

00:20:17.040 what's going on in our society our society of meat dairy and egg eaters people are dying all

00:20:21.780 over the place man and it's an epidemic what's happening and things are getting worse what we

00:20:26.800 have in terms of studies is the blue zone studies which have been going for a very long time the

00:20:31.720 largest study ever conducted on the relationship between nutrition and disease which is the china

00:20:36.040 study which spanned for decades which included thousands and thousands of participants the

00:20:40.720 bottom line of that study was that the optimal amount of animal products in the human diet is

00:20:44.600 zero and the optimal diet for human health is whole foods plant-based diet a vegan diet

00:20:49.600 in terms of inconvenience at times it can be inconvenient there's no doubt about it we're

00:20:54.820 trying to eat a plant-based diet in a world where every single country is you know making food off

00:21:00.180 the backs of animals but it can definitely be done I travel all over the world doing it you know

00:21:04.980 yesterday I scored a really good meal it was big basic quinoa veggies and some rocket lettuce it

00:21:12.280 wasn't the perfect meal in terms of um you know what i would have enjoyed to cook but for an

00:21:16.760 airport it was good when you go to mexican places any mexican place instead of getting

00:21:22.180 meat you get beans instead of getting sour cream and cheese get guacamole plantains there's all

00:21:28.420 that all that you know any any thai place just switch the meat for tofu switch the coat the

00:21:33.220 dairy for coconut milk and you're still having stuff right you're still having curries indian

00:21:38.280 is super easy because most of them are vegetarians anyway um and in terms of eating a whole lot of

00:21:43.200 food you definitely want to make sure you are eating a lot of food um but you know it doesn't

00:21:48.020 have to be a crazy amount if you're trying to put on size we still got pea protein we've got rice

00:21:52.100 protein we've got different protein powders that have just as much protein as what you used to

00:21:56.540 except we don't have that the whey we don't have the whey in there which you know is um it comes

00:22:02.600 with the casomorphins it comes with the animal protein and the you know the things basically that

00:22:07.300 we're trying to avoid in animal products we have cholesterol we have the much higher rates of

00:22:11.720 saturated fat about 95 more saturated fat we have both these things that lead to some of the biggest

00:22:18.000 diseases we're faced with we can avoid all that by just eating a plant-based diet and um you know

00:22:22.740 at times yeah when it is convenient when it's inconvenient it sucks but i guess for me i just

00:22:29.280 got to a point where there was times where i was still eating animal products i'm like oh it's 0.91

00:22:32.640 going to get thrown away anyway fuck it i'm just going to have it but then i got to a point where 0.91

00:22:35.960 I was like, you know, I don't want to condone this in any way. 0.99

00:22:38.000 This is so far out of alignment with who I am.

00:22:41.720 I would never go around stabbing animals, man, or anybody.

00:22:44.480 And when I started seeing animals as somebodies, as individuals,

00:22:47.800 with their own experience, very, very similar to ours,

00:22:51.600 it just became a no-brainer.

00:22:53.040 So even if the food was going to get thrown out, I thought, good,

00:22:56.100 it should be thrown out. 0.97

00:22:57.060 This is trash. 1.00

00:22:58.100 This doesn't belong in our bodies, man. 1.00

00:22:59.860 This doesn't belong in our temples.

00:23:01.140 This is products of violence, products of suffering. 0.99

00:23:03.780 the stress is in there all that shit is in there on top of that it's killing us um so you know i 0.98

00:23:10.060 just found ways around it and there's a lot of apps like the happy cow app it tells you all the 0.98

00:23:13.400 vegan restaurants in your area wherever you're at um there's ways to do it man so i guess you know 0.69

00:23:18.320 you just started out and you don't figure all that shit out straight away but over time

00:23:22.740 you learn okay when i go to mexican i can have this when i'm in an area i can check this app 0.96

00:23:27.260 and you know that you just figure it out and yeah you no one's perfect no one's perfect overnight

00:23:32.620 and I'm still figuring shit out almost six years on but it's a journey that's worth walking man

00:23:38.300 and every step you know of you being a little better adds more light to the world reduces

00:23:42.940 suffering in this world Spencer just said that you for in four months was that 130 less animals

00:23:48.660 or something like that 120 120 less animals man you know people eat thousands of beings thousands

00:23:54.720 of people non-human people in their life that is a big deal man it's a huge stain on our otherwise 0.96

00:24:01.960 civilized society and something that you know most people don't even see we don't see that 0.99

00:24:07.920 this piece of meat is actually from a victim of the longest standing holocaust that has ever 0.81

00:24:13.640 happened they don't see that they're chowing into the body parts of a murder victim and that's how 0.99

00:24:18.780 i see it now that's that's that's terrifying you make me feel like a like a asshole i don't mean 0.99

00:24:24.220 to i don't mean to man i don't think you are an asshole i don't think any media are you using 0.99

00:24:28.020 scare tactics i'm using every tactic on god brother well i mean also mind you bro you're 0.97

00:24:33.240 talking to like an ex-vegan like four months is a long time to be vegan what was the study you uh

00:24:38.100 you you referenced that they they said the healthiest diet is a plant-based diet one of

00:24:44.660 them is the china study the other is the blue zone studies and they're just checking out the

00:24:50.020 populate the blue zone studies is checking out the populations of the world that have the longest

00:24:53.900 life okinawa right they were the the longest living yeah and some of the it's i mean it's

00:25:00.440 at least mostly plant-based i mean i have a yeah i just i i'm gonna say something i'm gonna get i'm 0.98

00:25:08.680 gonna get shit on by the vegan community we're gonna fuck you up man so we're ruthless you know 0.98

00:25:12.560 that i know i know y'all are ruthless bro well i've been shit on before and let's go i'll get 1.00

00:25:18.920 shit on again um no they know they know the um the reason i stopped being vegan yeah was because 0.98

00:25:25.280 i was unhealthy tell me i was unhealthy i was the lightest i had been since i um intentionally 1.00

00:25:33.340 cut weight for uh this movie i did called the thinning where i was yoked out of my fucking 0.93

00:25:39.280 mind i did like a weak juice cleanse and i was 182 i was 182 pounds when i when i shot this movie 0.93

00:25:44.920 had to literally just pick up pick my legs up out of bed to to just to move i had i had no strength

00:25:50.740 and um when i was vegan um working out you know four hours a day on your eight to ten thousand

00:25:57.760 calorie day diet had nutritionist had all the supplements i needed like was private chef that

00:26:02.060 was doing everything right um i got down to 184 i could not i could not maintain weight i was losing

00:26:07.980 weight was that log picture when you were vegan still uh yeah yeah if you pull that up yeah let's

00:26:13.380 Let's give a gander.

00:26:14.400 I just don't want to mistake looking good with feeling good.

00:26:19.400 I want to preface the fact that it looks 100%.

00:26:22.260 How did you feel aside from Lane?

00:26:24.780 Tell me, what do you mean?

00:26:25.760 My friend George sat me down and he goes,

00:26:30.560 yo, I need to ask you something.

00:26:31.680 And like this kind of sensitive, are you depressed?

00:26:34.880 And no one has ever asked me that in my life.

00:26:36.480 Wow.

00:26:36.880 No one has ever asked me that in my life.

00:26:38.500 And I go, no, I'm not depressed.

00:26:40.540 Like, what do you mean?

00:26:41.580 This is the picture.

00:26:42.260 Spencer was referencing

00:26:43.620 This was when I was vegan

00:26:44.480 So yeah like

00:26:45.020 Okay look good 0.99

00:26:45.700 You look shit 0.99

00:26:46.040 For sure look 1.00

00:26:46.680 I look

00:26:47.040 Look dope

00:26:47.920 Yeah you're looking good man

00:26:48.960 Thanks bro

00:26:49.500 But he sat me down

00:26:51.380 And asked me

00:26:51.680 Your abs literally have abs

00:26:53.060 I mean I guess

00:26:55.380 When you pull all the

00:26:56.320 All the fat

00:26:57.880 And everything off your body

00:26:58.860 That's what's left

00:26:59.500 Right before the skeleton

00:27:00.460 You know

00:27:01.320 You're still

00:27:01.960 Let me finish

00:27:03.040 You're vegan though

00:27:04.300 And you're still carrying

00:27:05.180 Trees

00:27:06.020 Bro

00:27:06.460 Let me

00:27:07.060 Let me finish

00:27:08.680 So yeah

00:27:10.980 And I'm like

00:27:11.380 No yo

00:27:11.840 i'm not depressed he goes well i've never seen this version of logan paul i don't know who i'm

00:27:16.160 talking to right now and i don't know if it's because you're vegan i'm like of course it's not

00:27:19.260 because i'm vegan whatever yeah um so i had to stop being vegan about a month before the fight

00:27:25.080 i just it was not in a good place mentally physically whatever so that that was the first

00:27:29.940 time i was like okay i tried it uh maybe not for me no big deal january comes around here we are 0.81

00:27:38.780 again yo let's go vegan for a month cool 25 days in fucking depressed i'm seeing i'm losing weight 0.78

00:27:45.120 like in the day i've never like i'll see him just like in bed during the day and i'm like hey man 0.99

00:27:49.520 like what's what's going on like you want to like get up get go outside and shit for a little bit 0.71

00:27:52.840 he's like no i'm really doing much man like i'm like and so the same thing that george said about 0.92

00:27:57.660 i'm like i noticed as well like he just okay he wasn't getting out of bed he was just and all he

00:28:01.960 would ever say to me was i just want something that makes me feel whole like i'm missing something

00:28:07.940 in my diet and i know it's because i'm not eating meat i hear you can i respond yes please all right

00:28:12.640 um that's interesting man so i'll just start by saying that i've spoke to literally thousands

00:28:17.860 and thousands of vegans now over the years and a common theme with 99.9 of them is that going

00:28:25.520 vegan is one of the best things they've ever done in terms of how they feel ethically but also

00:28:31.560 in their body man so there are always going to be certain people for whatever reason that it

00:28:39.040 might not work for them but that isn't necessarily because they started eating a plant-based diet

00:28:43.600 you mentioned you were training four hours a day you do this big diet switch you know i've spoke

00:28:48.440 to a doctor about this that about people who don't feel good initially and he said felt great

00:28:54.280 initially okay okay first month was i'd say yeah that's cool i'd say four months is still pretty

00:28:58.680 initial um and that it can take time for your body to learn how to assimilate the nutrients and

00:29:04.740 vitamins from plant foods that you were once getting from the meat things like that um when

00:29:09.820 in that in that month of january i don't know man i don't know what you were doing i don't know why

00:29:14.260 you felt that way i wish i could give you a better answer all that i can say though is that meat is

00:29:18.900 like an addiction and you know when you come off drugs or any addiction there can be feelings of

00:29:24.180 not feeling whole or not feeling you know whatever you've been eating this way your entire life

00:29:29.440 and you start trying to eat a different way it can be cravings it can be the literal chemicals

00:29:35.120 and hormones and shit like that that is in the food today no doubt about it so I don't know if 0.95

00:29:39.740 it was maybe something a little more like that but all I know is this that there are millions 0.98

00:29:44.080 and millions of vegans including high level athletes world record holding strong man

00:29:49.520 mr universe of a few years ago ufc fighters nfl players not many not many ufc fighters not many

00:29:56.320 there's still some though there's one or two nah well whatever it is there's not that many vegans

00:30:01.780 out there so comparatively to have a small amount of the population that are vegan who are also

00:30:07.920 some of them becoming world record holding strongmen or elite athletes in some of the most

00:30:13.880 physically demanding sports i think that's saying something i don't know if you were doing it right

00:30:18.140 I don't know if you'll get in everything. 0.99

00:30:19.400 I don't know if your nutritionist knew their shit. 0.99

00:30:21.280 I don't know, man. 1.00

00:30:22.060 Maybe it was something totally unrelated.

00:30:23.800 I don't know.

00:30:24.880 Do you have any…

00:30:25.480 You live with me.

00:30:26.500 You went through all this.

00:30:26.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:27.660 Well, without getting too deep, like, that was a time of the year where there was a way more emotional different…

00:30:34.480 An emotionally different state.

00:30:35.980 True.

00:30:36.200 Yeah, you know, so that could have something to do with it.

00:30:39.140 But the thing I always revert back to is, like, when we went into the nutritionist, they never said any of your levels were like, yo, you're unhealthy.

00:30:46.460 like they you checked as a perfectly healthy he checked me out he said i had every level was

00:30:51.140 correct but also like so i think it's something like it it could be that switch like what i what

00:30:57.380 what you were saying because it is very well known that in order to process meats like we need

00:31:04.200 certain parasites in our body and uh different things to break them down so when you go vegan

00:31:09.160 those things have to flush out and those things aren't uh they're not getting the same nutrients

00:31:13.920 Like you were talking about

00:31:14.580 It's so many different things

00:31:16.240 I guess I'll say this as well

00:31:17.460 You know

00:31:17.680 People don't always

00:31:18.480 Quit cigarettes first go

00:31:19.780 And they don't always

00:31:20.620 Feel good doing it

00:31:21.640 You know

00:31:21.920 Sometimes like 1.00

00:31:22.420 Fuck yeah 1.00

00:31:22.880 I quit ciggies man 1.00

00:31:23.920 I'm feeling good

00:31:24.920 Other times it's hell

00:31:26.080 And you know

00:31:27.860 I don't know man

00:31:28.580 No mind you

00:31:29.300 I'm going back

00:31:30.180 I'm gonna be

00:31:30.760 I don't know when

00:31:31.880 I don't know when

00:31:32.480 But like I'm gonna give it

00:31:33.540 A third chance

00:31:34.900 I'm gonna

00:31:35.720 I'm gonna

00:31:36.180 Try to do something

00:31:37.780 Since what?

00:31:38.820 I mean from what?

00:31:39.980 You hated it bro

00:31:41.040 Yeah I hated it

00:31:42.140 I

00:31:42.340 But why did you hate it though?

00:31:44.560 Because you just said to me that you were,

00:31:47.300 apart from when you started feeling bad,

00:31:48.740 initially you were feeling good.

00:31:49.780 You were enjoying the Impossible Burgers.

00:31:51.600 You're still training four hours a day, so…

00:31:53.340 No, no, not in January.

00:31:55.380 Here's why.

00:31:55.940 Here's why I hated it.

00:31:56.640 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:57.420 I don't like being depressed and sleeping 12 hours a day.

00:31:59.320 No doubt.

00:32:00.020 Nobody does.

00:32:00.740 Number two, we were traveling…

00:32:03.320 That's not a common side effect.

00:32:05.100 Okay, go on.

00:32:05.820 When we were traveling or going anywhere,

00:32:08.540 the inconvenience

00:32:10.720 that I was for people

00:32:12.420 was simply too much

00:32:13.680 for me to handle

00:32:14.340 I want everyone

00:32:15.380 to be happy 0.99

00:32:15.980 and fucking assimilate 0.99

00:32:17.040 and do their thing 1.00

00:32:17.740 I understand that

00:32:18.300 I think that there's a way

00:32:19.340 to do it

00:32:19.800 that you are not

00:32:20.420 inconveniencing people

00:32:21.460 so much

00:32:22.080 like I understand that

00:32:23.140 you know

00:32:23.400 it can be socially awkward

00:32:24.980 at times to be like

00:32:25.740 oh that looks good

00:32:26.660 but oh well

00:32:27.700 actually

00:32:28.180 for this ethical reason 1.00

00:32:29.960 I think you're a piece of shit 1.00

00:32:31.520 but that's not what 1.00

00:32:32.220 you actually mean

00:32:32.740 but that's what they're hearing

00:32:33.640 you know what I'm saying

00:32:34.400 like I don't eat that food

00:32:35.740 because ethical reasons

00:32:37.260 and they're like

00:32:37.700 oh you think you're better

00:32:38.320 than me what do you think this is sort of thing um I think that there's you find ways to just be 0.99

00:32:43.420 people know you and or you bring your own shit or they just accommodate because they know that

00:32:48.880 you're serious about this thing yeah and man like just I don't know a lot about you if I'm honest 0.97

00:32:53.480 brother but from what I do know you know you're a guy who's trying to do good shit and and you're

00:32:59.100 you're a good-hearted person and ultimately you know there's a way to find out you can find a way 0.91

00:33:04.600 to do it but I think when you've got the motivation because you really are aware that you will be

00:33:12.620 living in alignment more with who you really are man like what you're contributing to when you pay

00:33:18.600 for meat dairy or eggs is so fucking far from an act of love or kindness or respect it is literally

00:33:28.640 the opposite direction we treat those animals you know worse than the your worst nightmare doesn't

00:33:35.380 even come close and so when you really understand that this is such a such a such a bad act such a

00:33:43.780 cruel violent act something that you would never actually contribute to yourself or pay for it to

00:33:48.420 happen if you really understood the whole picture when you really get it and you've seen this

00:33:52.440 footage and you've heard those screams and you've looked these innocent beings in their eyes just 0.65

00:33:56.540 like just like pearl man when you look her in the eyes and you realize being being my pig yeah it's

00:34:00.900 not just it's not just you know about loving dogs and loving dolphins and loving other humans it's

00:34:07.480 about extending a circle of compassion to embrace all beings see i didn't i didn't have that what

00:34:13.420 you just described energy fueling me i was being fueled by like oh i'll try it because i like to

00:34:17.520 try things because i don't want to experience everything you know but maybe one day i will like

00:34:21.400 i will uh i will shift um i have a question yeah i wanted to dive in and no no no no not yet you

00:34:29.500 you will first i just have a quick question around uh kind of like the newness of of things too and i

00:34:36.580 i want to go back to the past you know a couple thousand years or few thousand years of time and

00:34:42.600 how and i'm sure you've got a combat for this as well but you know we as a as a human species have

00:34:48.660 eaten meat we were in my eyes were given large chomping teeth and canines who tear through flesh

00:34:55.560 right for protein um and another even on another note uh when i look at the people who probably

00:35:03.140 want to live the longest in this world the billionaires that with the with the beautiful

00:35:07.140 boats and models and everything they're all still eating meat right and so and they're not and maybe

00:35:12.620 they're not living the longest but what is it that this small swell of people yeah knows that

00:35:19.760 no one else knows that the thousands of years worth of civilizations before us didn't know and

00:35:25.060 like what is it that gives you guys this uh this assurance that you guys know something that no one

00:35:31.960 else does or no one else did yeah yeah i hear where you're coming from man i mean it isn't as

00:35:36.320 new as you might think a lot of old you know wise people were talking this way about extending

00:35:42.580 our circle of compassion to all beings that's actually an einstein keep that up leonardo da

00:35:46.380 vinci spoke about it um gandhi many other people spoke about animal rights just being a logical

00:35:52.060 progression from human rights you know there's actually no fundamental there's no characteristic

00:35:57.620 that separates us from them that justifies enslaving them but not each other so if we're

00:36:02.640 not gonna if we're all gonna agree that enslaving each other is wrong we should extend that to other

00:36:06.580 sentient beings who would also have a problem with that if you if you look at the situation

00:36:11.140 from the victim's point of view,

00:36:13.020 it becomes very easy to see that things like humane slaughter

00:36:15.680 and all that kind of thing don't make any sense.

00:36:17.860 Now, yes, we have been eating meat for thousands and thousands of years.

00:36:22.100 We've been going to war for thousands of years. 0.91

00:36:24.340 People have been getting raped.

00:36:25.600 Children are getting abused. 0.99

00:36:27.980 We've been murdering each other.

00:36:29.100 The length of time that something's been happening

00:36:30.840 does not make it ethical or not or something we should continue.

00:36:36.980 And when it comes to what do we know that's different,

00:36:40.400 what we know now and what i learned when i was 26 is that we can live and thrive without animal

00:36:47.200 products that's something we didn't know for sure before we had ideas there were certain examples

00:36:52.160 but now we have science that's caught up that's really solidified this as fact and proven to us

00:36:58.840 that yes we don't we can get everything we need from a plant-based diet so i think that's one of 0.77

00:37:03.460 the biggest things man because before i did not give a shit when i saw footage of animals get 0.86

00:37:07.460 slaughtered i was like cool what do you want me to feel guilty about that i'm human i need to eat 0.51

00:37:11.880 animals to survive but after understanding that actually we don't watching that footage again

00:37:17.280 and seeing these animals get stabbed and pushing the gas chambers and electrocuted to death

00:37:21.220 i was like okay if we don't need to do this to be healthy what are we doing this for because

00:37:25.420 they taste good yeah what about people that just want to eat meat and they just literally just

00:37:29.200 don't care they want to fly over states they want like middle america for sure but i also don't

00:37:34.800 think that it's i don't think it's absent from the coastlines either no no it's everywhere you've

00:37:39.020 got bankers on wall street the best thing that want to go get their a10 wagyu or kobe and they 0.98

00:37:45.100 want to sit down and they want to chomp into an 800 steak and they don't give a fuck if you give 0.95

00:37:49.200 them two extra years on the end of their life because they're going to be 92 years old anyway 0.99

00:37:52.420 so they don't give a shit yeah so what do you say to those people i mean is it is it too far gone 0.95

00:37:56.920 at that point i think nobody's too far gone you never know who's going to change i've seen 0.98

00:38:00.360 slaughterhouse workers go vegan hunters go vegan anybody can just make that connection it's

00:38:04.760 it's reconnecting we have that connection when we're children we love animals we don't want to

00:38:09.140 hurt animals they're our best friends they're the main characters of all our favorite stories

00:38:13.320 it's it's taken from us we're taught no no these animals pat these animals kill and it's a it's a

00:38:20.620 selective compassion and i really do believe it's a form of brainwashing that is inside our culture

00:38:25.280 right now indoctrination 100 man we're taught we need meat for protein which basically means if

00:38:30.460 you don't eat meat you're gonna die that's kind of how people interpret it and people like that

00:38:35.580 it's hard because you know you try to get them to connect to an animal they might even not connect

00:38:40.080 to empathy for other humans yeah exactly like you know what it is there's racism still around

00:38:44.840 there's sexism still around this is called speciesism you know this is a very similar

00:38:49.120 thing white people thought they were superior to black people they enslaved them they made

00:38:52.940 them do what they wanted men did the same with women and humans do the same with many other

00:38:57.820 species what do you do about it i just hope that you know where we're going environmentally from

00:39:03.180 what i've heard if you believe the united nations and these big environmental organizations they're

00:39:08.540 saying that we have to do this we have to go plant-based and luckily don't worry you can still

00:39:13.980 have meat we just got vegan meat tastes the same you're not even going to notice a difference we'll

00:39:17.360 put it in the meat section for you and i guess that's what they're going to end up just eating

00:39:20.920 can i actually convince this person no you are vegan at heart ethically this is what you should

00:39:25.660 do to live in alignment with who you are. And you're going to feel so much better. It's the

00:39:29.060 right thing for you to do. I'm probably not going to be able to convince them that way. Maybe not

00:39:32.520 the health way either. So I hope that just the food, you know, just overtakes and it just doesn't

00:39:38.120 make sense for people. You've got meat that is a corpse from an animal who suffered and screamed

00:39:43.040 that destroys the planet that kills our health. And then you've got this plant-based meat that

00:39:47.240 tastes the same, looks the same, smells the same, is at least comparably priced, potentially even

00:39:51.540 cheaper better for the environment why would people still choose this other one if it's right

00:39:56.380 there and that's what we're starting to see now this this big influx of plant-based products that

00:40:01.280 are just it just would make more sense to choose them for everybody even those people who are so

00:40:06.500 obsessed with meat we're also working on plant-based uh sorry um cell-grown cell-grown

00:40:12.300 now i was gonna go there eventually but you just hit it and i i think that is the solution so i

00:40:17.600 spent time over two summers ago with one of the leading cell growth experts on creating meat in

00:40:25.960 laboratories and so i so i have this conversation with you openly and and you know for almost for

00:40:32.300 fun because i think that within the next 10 to 20 years we're going to have this solved through

00:40:36.820 cell through laboratory grown meat me too man and look i think that that's good and bad like i'm so

00:40:43.280 happy about that for all the like we kill 8 billion animals every day yeah you know it's 74

00:40:48.640 billion land animals a year and 2.7 trillion sea animals a year they feel pain too all those

00:40:54.320 animals they just say 2.7 trillion yeah man it's a lot yeah it's an estimate you know how many

00:41:00.080 sharks it is a year there's just a fun fact on a specific animal it's scary 100 million right

00:41:04.940 which is crazy when i first heard a lot of it's for shark fin yeah yeah that's the sad part about

00:41:10.080 And bycatch.

00:41:11.180 Bycatch from salmon and tuna and things like that.

00:41:14.440 I'm so stoked on lab-grown meat, man.

00:41:18.140 That is going to change the game.

00:41:20.000 And I couldn't be more happy about it.

00:41:21.460 I couldn't support it more.

00:41:22.580 You know, if we can get meat that is exactly steak, 0.99

00:41:26.220 but no one had to die and suffer from it, fuck yeah, let's go. 0.99

00:41:29.100 That's tight, bro. 1.00

00:41:29.700 That's the shit. 0.99

00:41:31.000 But what I really want also is people to connect, man, 0.99

00:41:34.400 to reconnect to their compassion for other beings,

00:41:37.360 even if they look different.

00:41:38.480 because I think that's a really big missing piece of our culture right now where we look at them as

00:41:44.520 less than us, even though they're not necessarily in the ways that matter. And I think that this

00:41:49.100 can be also the start of discrimination in other areas. Like imagine if you're born into a family

00:41:55.600 that teaches you that we don't even take honey from bees because that's their food. And we don't

00:42:01.140 take the milk from the cows because that's for the calves, that's for the baby cows. And we respect

00:42:06.160 all animals and you're born into this how much harder is it going to be for you to grow up and

00:42:10.100 be racist when you already see beings that look so different from you as you're equal on many

00:42:15.740 levels it's going to be a lot harder there's big studies coming out right now that are showing that

00:42:20.700 the first disconnect the true disconnect is knowing that the dog you pet and the pig you eat

00:42:27.460 because if you go to the other side of the earth that's the opposite you can eat the dog can't eat

00:42:32.220 the pig so it's like that's two different viewpoints and you're growing up you're gonna

00:42:37.280 meet somewhere and realize that you're fighting there's two fighting ideals there that's very 0.50

00:42:42.860 interesting that's that's very interesting um and i wonder how that affects because like we we see

00:42:48.080 social media influencers all the time posting videos of dogs being killed yeah but then you

00:42:52.220 go over there and dogs are infesting the streets and the only way they can do that is to kill them

00:42:56.480 and they i mean they're throwing them in like boiling pots like it's disgusting um but they

00:43:01.160 don't they don't think anything of it i have to i have to raise a a red flag for for one belief

00:43:07.380 maybe it's a a little cynical or maybe i'm a little too like realism here but you you've said

00:43:13.300 it twice now that um humans look as animals as lesser than them like yo when i see a squirrel

00:43:19.300 outside i'm sorry i am superior to that squirrel in what way do you believe that or no well in what

00:43:24.240 way my life is more valuable than the squirrel's life do you believe that i believe to you it is

00:43:28.660 I believe to the squirrel, the squirrel's life is more valuable.

00:43:31.500 True.

00:43:31.980 The squirrel, though, did not found a civilization.

00:43:36.200 Neither did you.

00:43:37.640 I'm a human. 1.00

00:43:38.600 You didn't do that shit, though. 1.00

00:43:40.180 I did not do it. 1.00

00:43:40.840 My ancestors did.

00:43:42.180 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:43:42.900 Okay, and they do cool shit, too. 0.98

00:43:44.400 But, okay, so you are definitely superior in many ways. 0.98

00:43:47.920 The reason why humans have got to this point in civilization

00:43:51.160 isn't because we have a super special brain or something like that.

00:43:55.020 It's because we have a sophisticated voice box

00:43:57.320 that's given us the ability to create a complicated language,

00:44:00.020 which we've used to share information

00:44:02.100 and build and build and build and build on that

00:44:04.000 over many, many, many years.

00:44:05.400 But don't you think that has to do

00:44:06.240 with having a super special brain?

00:44:07.680 No, actually.

00:44:08.480 I think it's just got to do mostly

00:44:09.840 with our ability to share information and grow on that.

00:44:12.080 Like if I put some humans out in,

00:44:15.220 you know, the wilderness somewhere,

00:44:16.640 they're not going to be popping out iPhones, man.

00:44:18.300 And they're going to be just like every other animal.

00:44:19.840 If you gave them 2,000 years, yes, they would.

00:44:23.180 What about a pose of our phones?

00:44:24.220 But without, but without the voice box, potentially not man. And regardless, regardless. So let's just

00:44:30.220 say that, let's just say that you are superior to the squirrel. Do I believe you're superior

00:44:34.340 to the squirrel? I'll say again, in many ways, yes. I'll tell you what I see when I see a squirrel

00:44:37.780 out there. I'm like, whoa, look at that little person. I say person, that's basically how I see

00:44:42.580 it, but I'll be a bit more specific because I know people will maybe, maybe find that strange.

00:44:47.140 A non-human person, but a little person with a family, with probably with friends,

00:44:51.520 with a community with ways of communicating with a home they eat they breathe they sleep they feel 0.76

00:44:57.240 that's right man they're trying to get a nut too no doubt we share something in common we got it

00:45:03.600 all man they're just they're just out there they're our fam too bro they're our extended fam

00:45:08.300 they're our cousins in feather scales wings and fur i see them as part of the fam and i didn't see

00:45:13.480 that before i just was like i didn't give a shit about them i didn't think twice about them they're 0.94

00:45:16.880 out there having fun yo yo yo that's mad fucking noble but i hope if there was ever a scenario 0.99

00:45:22.660 where someone held me in a squirrel hostage and he said i'm gonna kill one of these people 0.99

00:45:26.980 you say please kill the squirrel instead of logan logan i would do that for you man thanks but let 0.84

00:45:31.800 me tell you why let me tell you why because you had him on your podcast and it's the number one

00:45:35.460 podcast in the world that's the reason why let me tell you man it's because i understand your

00:45:40.100 experience more and so i'm a human man you're human any human is experienced more well you know

00:45:46.240 We're all animals though.

00:45:47.320 We all are animals.

00:45:48.500 You're a human animal.

00:45:49.780 That's a squirrel animal.

00:45:51.060 We're all animals.

00:45:51.900 So let's see it from a bigger picture here. 0.92

00:45:54.100 If we had a squirrel and Hitler, 0.96

00:45:56.540 I'm saving the squirrel. 0.92

00:45:58.080 I'm not always going to save the human. 1.00

00:45:59.680 Damn. 0.99

00:46:00.280 Yeah, it's still a preference. 0.99

00:46:01.280 Yeah, that squirrel's lit.

00:46:02.340 Yeah, that squirrel's killing it.

00:46:03.540 What about people?

00:46:05.220 Okay, okay.

00:46:06.520 I think that's a good point.

00:46:07.840 It's all perspective.

00:46:08.760 You know, if we're in the ocean 0.87

00:46:10.220 and there's a great white swimming around, 0.89

00:46:12.240 I'm throwing that spear at it. 0.99

00:46:13.660 I'm saving my boy. 1.00

00:46:14.500 Fuck yeah, me too. 1.00

00:46:15.220 but you know to kill 700 million a year for soup you know and i'm not all that's for soup obviously 1.00

00:46:22.160 but a lot of it is it's like damn bro as a civilization there is a disconnect there there's 0.98

00:46:27.040 no denying that let's just have the other soup with the mushrooms instead of the shot what about 0.98

00:46:30.940 what about people that say that uh there's a certain amount of um killing of animals that

00:46:37.400 needs to take place to raise soy or to raise other vegetables that are needed to sustain a plant-based

00:46:43.180 like basically

00:46:43.920 where do you draw

00:46:44.600 where do you draw the line

00:46:45.760 like what if

00:46:46.300 Joe Rogan said that

00:46:47.540 I don't even want to say his name

00:46:48.720 but Ted Nugent

00:46:49.540 had some things to say about it

00:46:51.040 but like

00:46:51.360 a little bias

00:46:52.140 what if

00:46:52.640 what if a small group

00:46:53.920 of really cute

00:46:55.100 non-person

00:46:55.880 squirrels

00:46:57.300 non-person humans

00:46:58.260 are trying to eat your corn

00:47:00.040 and if they eat your corn 0.92

00:47:01.240 you die

00:47:02.120 then what

00:47:02.600 self-defense is a

00:47:04.520 perfectly 0.57

00:47:05.140 reasonable response

00:47:07.320 and you obviously do

00:47:08.500 whatever you can do

00:47:09.440 by causing the least amount

00:47:10.680 of harm as practically possible

00:47:11.860 that's what veganism is

00:47:13.180 it's not perfection. There's no way to be perfect. We're going to cause some harm. I'm

00:47:16.680 killing animals too. I probably stepped on ants on my way here. The food that I get, 0.89

00:47:21.140 the food production, the way it is right now, animals are killed in crops. It's a very small

00:47:25.140 amount comparatively. And also like you mentioned soy, for example, I'm, I think it's about 80%

00:47:30.360 of the world's soy is fed to fatten up animals. So what we're doing is we're growing all this

00:47:35.020 food. We're giving it to animals. We give them up to 15 times more food than what we can take

00:47:40.580 from them so we feed them feed them feed them feed them then we get back this tiny little bit

00:47:44.340 of food so that means we're wasting a shitload of food and resources and land and everything else

00:47:49.960 we are having all these accidental crop deaths times 15 plus we're slaughtering the animals

00:47:56.800 so we can we can't be perfect and i think what will happen is you know as plant-based as a vegan

00:48:04.380 ethic starts to take hold more and more and more what we'll see is we're trying to figure that 0.95

00:48:09.380 shit out too i don't want crop deaths man let's figure out some better machines so we're not 0.99

00:48:13.880 killing these little mice and whatever but until we have a better option we do what veganism is 0.99

00:48:19.080 because the least amount of harm is practically possible now no one's perfect man i got on a 0.99

00:48:23.240 plane to be here i know that that causes some environmental shit i get in a car i've got an

00:48:28.120 iphone i do you know i do my best though but by far by such a long way easily the worst thing that 0.59

00:48:36.600 any of us are contributing to in terms of suffering and in terms of environmental is

00:48:43.320 consuming meat dairy or eggs by far so i think the smartest thing to do is to look at okay what's

00:48:49.220 the biggest thing we're contributing to and can we eliminate that and that 100 yes we can and then

00:48:54.080 we go to the next thing okay let's use some less plastic let's do this and that but that even 0.99

00:48:58.220 plastic that's a big fucking deal but comparatively to meat dairy and eggs consuming that shit 0.99

00:49:03.240 supporting that shit creating a demand for that doesn't even come close that is by far the worst 0.99

00:49:09.020 thing in regards to violence suffering environmental destruction and also our own health shit what 1.00

00:49:16.000 what about really quick quickly where what about the cheese and eggs so i so the meat like that's

00:49:21.820 a good question and i i think i know your answers but i want to hear it like i love if you allowed

00:49:26.480 us when we were in january when we were going through that month if you had allowed us to

00:49:30.040 still have like a nice omelet with some cheese in it yeah man i probably would have been like

00:49:34.400 this is pretty good like i could do bean omelets i could do that forever you know what i'm saying 0.70

00:49:38.340 for lunch we could do some eggs and shit like that yeah yeah uh and so now it's almost like 0.98

00:49:42.820 you move into this like even grayer area we don't want to eat meat because you're killing animals 0.97

00:49:48.940 okay so we stop that but now we also don't want you to eat stuff the byproduct produced with them

00:49:55.680 and so then it's like all right so not only do we want not want to kill the animals but we also

00:49:59.220 don't really want to bother them because like you know they should be just moving around having

00:50:02.660 their grass and like just like you know if they want to watch a flick that kind of stuff i thought

00:50:06.780 the same thing for a long time that's why i was vegetarian for a long time first it's very clear

00:50:10.360 to connect with meat that has been cut off an animal's body you know they suffered you know

00:50:14.980 they died when it comes to egg and eggs and dairy the industries are at least as cruel the dairy

00:50:20.620 industry for example the cows they don't just give milk naturally you know then i mean naturally yes

00:50:26.140 but they don't just always give milk just like a human they need to be pregnant or have recently

00:50:30.260 given birth for that to happen for us to get this milk they put them into a box which is commonly 1.00

00:50:35.920 referred to as a rape rack a human will shove their arm deep inside the cow's anus to maneuver 1.00

00:50:40.840 her cervix and inject her vagina with bull semen and we know what we would call that if we had a 0.99

00:50:45.740 human in there so these animals they obviously don't want that to happen that's why they're 0.99

00:50:49.720 stuck in this small box so that they can put this procedure on them they kick they bark they don't

00:50:54.160 want it they have a nine month pregnancy like a human they give birth when they give birth the

00:50:58.780 humans want to drink the milk obviously they don't want the babies drinking it so they separate the 0.50

00:51:03.000 mothers from the babies which i've seen in in real time in um in a dairy on in israel a guy brought a 0.84

00:51:10.060 wheelbarrow in he threw the baby in there he wheeled the barrow out of the baby out and this

00:51:15.460 mother was hot on his heels man trying to chase and she started bellowing and crying which they

00:51:19.980 often do for days pointing in the same direction they last saw their baby they're very maternal

00:51:23.880 animals the baby boys are seen as a waste product because they'll never produce milk so they get

00:51:30.200 sent to the slaughterhouse almost immediately at the slaughterhouse the most humane method

00:51:35.420 is to put a bulk onto their head it fires a metal ball through their skull into their brain that

00:51:40.680 stuns them and then they're either opened up like their their body their neck is sort of opened up

00:51:46.360 on a table or they're hung upside down and then they get stabbed in the throat they move the knife

00:51:50.680 around and they they cut their throat open and they bleed out that's the baby boys this is 1.00

00:51:55.060 terrifying this fucked up man it doesn't get much worse than this shit then the the sisters of those 1.00

00:52:00.480 baby boys when they're old enough they're impregnated and then they are also used as a 1.00

00:52:05.500 milk slave that's their entire life for five to seven years is as long as they can last they 0.99

00:52:09.420 they hook them up to these machines they take their milk there's pus in this shit there's all 1.00

00:52:14.460 the hormones as all the cruelty and then they every year they repeat this process of re-impregnating 1.00

00:52:19.980 them taking their babies again five to seven years of all they can do shit's fucked then they 0.99

00:52:24.540 fucking send them to the slaughterhouse and this these cows man they can live 20 25 years so they're 0.99

00:52:29.260 just severely you know like used like machines basically yeah egg industry is just the same 0.99

00:52:34.980 yeah those little baby chicks those little cute little yellow chicks all the boys they're sent

00:52:39.660 into a machine called a macerator which is like a blender they drop off a conveyor belt into this

00:52:44.400 machine that just literally shreds into pieces if you could imagine if it was you that there was

00:52:49.700 this big machine and you got dropped into it and it shreds you into pieces man like that's what the 1.00

00:52:53.960 fuck that is like a fucking nightmare i don't want to do that you know that's like horror movie shit 1.00

00:52:58.080 and that's that's how you get eggs you buy the eggs that's what happens you shred little baby 1.00

00:53:02.640 chicks so for me to stop eating eggs i started thinking all right if i'm gonna eat eggs i'm

00:53:06.040 gonna imagine throwing a little baby chicken or blender i can't do that i'll just have tofu

00:53:09.780 scramble instead it's got all the protein tastes the same super easy to make cheaper and none of 0.99

00:53:15.320 the cholesterol and none of the baby chick shredding um so it sucks it sucks that you have

00:53:20.180 to be so uh graphic and real to to really understand what's happening man because it's so 0.94

00:53:25.160 it's so much easier no it's it's it's necessary it is man because it's so easy to ignore it it's

00:53:31.500 but when you when you say what you're saying i'm like do you know what though man it's i 0.57

00:53:35.760 fucking hate saying it um because it doesn't even anywhere near do it justice like even even if i 0.84

00:53:41.580 show it to you but even if i show it to you that doesn't do it justice either like what we really 0.95

00:53:48.000 need to do is imagine feeling it and that's basically impossible to do because we're so

00:53:52.680 privileged we've never really suffered most of us in our lives so even to try to connect and

00:53:57.620 understand and have empathy for their suffering it's on such another level that you you don't

00:54:03.180 even comprehended at all basically what if you are someone who can understand what these animals

00:54:10.600 are going through i mean i mean that's that's even a reach to even try to get close but like

00:54:14.540 there's a lot of people in third world countries who are suffering and again not even close to what

00:54:20.360 the animals that you're describing what they're going through but um you know are what's what are

00:54:26.160 the vegan statistics in the middle of africa in the philippines like yeah i mean is it prominent

00:54:32.160 there are they still i i assume that it's less prominent you know what we the benefit of what

00:54:37.180 we've got here is we've got the education i mean a lot of these third world countries though are

00:54:41.780 on a plant-based diet by default because it's just cheaper um but i don't know the statistics

00:54:46.720 i know the vegan movement sort of happened worldwide you know at a different level in

00:54:50.300 different places but that's where the china study came from yeah is that they weren't studying like

00:54:55.580 all vegans they were just studying the majority of the diet if i'm not mistaken so like when you

00:55:01.920 look at okinawa for example they still eat seafood but their average age that they live to is a

00:55:06.440 hundred like average yeah so they're eating primarily like sweet potatoes and like a mix

00:55:12.420 of vegetables so yeah i think there yeah there's certain areas though like you know sub-saharan

00:55:17.900 areas where like they eat raw meat they don't even cook the meat and so i think you're able

00:55:23.280 to get a lot more nutrients from eating raw meat than you are it being processed in a factory i

00:55:28.500 think that it does help to have had an experience of suffering which most of us have um you know

00:55:33.880 like for example it's much easier for mothers i've found to uh relate to dairy cows because they

00:55:41.520 they know what mastitis feels like which is the the painful artery infection that cows get you

00:55:46.040 know human women can get that as well um and they imagine what it would be like to have their baby

00:55:50.500 taken from them and to have this process go that's actually a short documentary called i think it's

00:55:55.160 called the herd which is basically that whole concept of humans being used for their milk

00:55:59.920 and and that's always a good way to think of it like what if it was humans in this situation how

00:56:03.760 would i feel about it that helps me a lot to sort of navigate through you know trying to make good

00:56:08.200 choices it seems extreme like when you were saying that at first it's it sounds extreme but then i

00:56:13.720 try to like take myself back to if i was living like just you know 80 years ago during the holocaust

00:56:20.080 like and i knew that that was going on i'd be like yo like let's go over there and like end this 0.51

00:56:25.600 shit that's what we did i was gonna go one place but on that on that note i it's harder for me at

00:56:31.620 least i don't know about you to put those in the same category because obviously you're talking 0.86

00:56:34.380 about literally people that are and and like obviously this is not a superiority thing well

00:56:38.820 that's that's why that's a conversation well i mean that's why i i sort of raised a red flag

00:56:43.800 on that one thing is like well let me ask this question then because this is the this is what

00:56:48.300 it comes down to you said it's not a superiority thing so tell me then what is the characteristic

00:56:53.640 that humans do or do not possess or animals do or not possess what do you think is so different

00:57:00.080 about us that makes it one of them so much less bad than the other i i don't i don't think i don't

00:57:06.420 think it's less bad and listen like let me let me clarify like i i think we for for me personally

00:57:12.780 my movement is to is to push myself to use people who at least support humane practices

00:57:18.920 hope and i know hope and prayers don't aren't the only answer sometimes but hope that we as

00:57:24.880 society continue to move towards more humane practices while simultaneously doing better

00:57:29.840 on the research side i don't think yourself here or yourself here is going to be through some

00:57:33.940 massive change in human human consciousness it ain't coming i'm sorry to burst your bubble dude

00:57:38.840 but we're, we're struggling just to get people to not rape and kill out there.

00:57:42.020 And so not really like, think of it this way, maybe, but, but let me,

00:57:45.200 but let me finish that point. Maybe you're right. Not,

00:57:47.180 and obviously not everybody's doing that, but there's still a lot of, 0.99

00:57:49.260 there's still a lot of shit going on out there. That's what I'm getting. 0.99

00:57:51.920 Of course it is. So I think that it's simultaneously you have these two things,

00:57:56.700 you have research and, and better non meat meat products, you know,

00:58:01.700 happening at the same time as, as, as this other thing.

00:58:04.400 And I think that's where we get there.

00:58:05.780 i just don't know that you'll ever see this like true consciousness shift it'll be many different

00:58:11.860 ways up the mountain and i'm working with all of them you know because they all whatever helps but

00:58:16.540 you said people still raping and murdering they are man but you're not and neither are you bro 1.00

00:58:21.500 and most people are not they already agree that shit is fucked and we don't want that in our 1.00

00:58:25.960 society most people are paying for animals to be raped they're paying for animals to be murdered 1.00

00:58:30.700 almost everybody's paying for that so that's one thing that we could easily just be like hi you 0.99

00:58:35.560 know what we could eliminate a fucking shitload of animal rape and animal murder like that if we 0.93

00:58:39.980 all just did what vegans already doing which really isn't very hard i got one more quote i 0.98

00:58:44.040 wanted to say based on what you just said um it is captain paul watson of sea shepherd and he said

00:58:50.940 if it's something like this he said if you want to know where you would have stood during the

00:58:57.660 civil rights movement you know on slavery don't ask yourself where you stand on slavery today 0.96

00:59:02.260 ask yourself where you stand on the animal rights movement that's fucked up dude you can't say that 0.96

00:59:07.340 that by the way that dude paul said by the way that dude is the man i've spent i've spent quite 0.97

00:59:12.880 a bit of time with him he is fucking incredible and one of the biggest uh animal rights activists 0.54

00:59:19.480 in the world like absolutely incredible like he goes and actually hunts people who hunt animals 0.99

00:59:25.060 yes that's that's tight i would love to do that we talked about that with that shit what i would 0.97

00:59:30.240 i would love to hunt poachers dude yo we should we should link up with him potentially he have 0.99

00:59:34.480 you heard of this guy no he's the one with the the japanese people and the chinese people that 0.99

00:59:39.620 illegally whale like they kill whales oh oh yes okay the sea shepherd he'll go board their boat 0.99

00:59:46.080 yeah and literally like shut them down bro that's intense 1.00

00:59:49.220 see that's the shit i was built for i was built for that they kill the whales and then dump them 0.99

00:59:55.580 back into the ocean after awesome yeah it is cool but but i i cannot uh say how much i disagree with 0.99

01:00:02.700 that comparison that the quote that got us to talk well again again it's because of your own

01:00:07.520 discrimination so i just ask you again man and tell me if you can answer this question okay what

01:00:11.640 is it what is it about other species that you view as so less i didn't answer yeah like if you got an

01:00:17.500 answer i'd love to hear it mine mine my answer is the is the the depth of the human mind okay that

01:00:24.920 would be my answer so what do you mean by that the ability to dig deep down find solutions to

01:00:32.040 problems that that we as a society face um look let me help you let me help you yeah okay cool

01:00:39.600 um because yes you're right but it goes deeper than that and also like uh it's even ridiculous

01:00:46.020 to i think dive into this because it's very obvious the human brain is unparalleled when

01:00:50.960 it comes to any form of species on planet earth in what way brother and what about the humans who

01:00:55.480 who don't have that what about the humans who don't have that ability do we think okay well 0.99

01:00:59.440 you're not as smart as us you can't create this shit this technology or whatever so you're good 0.97

01:01:04.520 you're fair game we don't do that it's just purely based on no they're part of the human species and 1.00

01:01:09.000 that's what i'm talking about it's it's a form of discrimination it's called speciesism you're

01:01:13.700 saying just because because if it was that if it was that trait that you just said if it was

01:01:18.320 no it's because we have this depth of mind not all humans have that no it's because we're more

01:01:23.800 intelligent not all humans are that intelligent so it's not those things when you come down to it

01:01:28.100 it's because we're human and just because we're human or just because we're white or just because

01:01:32.220 we're men they're not good justifications for viewing yourself as you know uh as more superior

01:01:40.160 than others now we are superior in some ways but the the core of it i'm not saying are we smarter

01:01:45.780 in some ways and some animals are smarter than some humans yeah what i'm saying is how do we 0.56

01:01:51.380 what trait there must be a fucking important trait it's for okay there must be they must be 0.94

01:01:56.920 good then because what we're talking about is condoning throat slitting and we're talking 0.95

01:02:00.940 about condoning no no no no no see that's where i'm gonna have to i i i i highly disagree there

01:02:06.220 like it's a while that comparison in a way is truthful i do believe it is a bit of a cynical

01:02:16.580 leap to go from there to there um well that's how every animal product gets on your plate i yes and

01:02:23.160 i hear you okay okay so what do you what what are your characters i just this the graphic scare

01:02:29.800 tactic is is it it gets old i'm not trying to do that i'm just trying to help you connect man like

01:02:35.380 that's what every animal product you have that's literally what happened i i i don't you know i'm

01:02:40.940 just say every because there is there is responsible do you do you eat honey that goes

01:02:45.700 on do you eat honey why is honey vegan no animal products these two vegans eat honey okay so we 0.99

01:02:50.860 can talk about that later oh shit you guys are in trouble bad vegans i think man that um you know 0.99

01:02:57.640 i don't mean to i don't i don't like to say throat slitting so much but i guess the reason i do that 0.99

01:03:01.760 is because you can't have meat without it

01:03:04.640 or electrocuting or whatever.

01:03:06.100 You can't have dairy from the shop

01:03:08.740 or eggs from the shop without the violence.

01:03:12.400 So, you know, all right.

01:03:13.300 I won't say throat slitting no more if that…

01:03:15.440 No, it doesn't bother me.

01:03:17.300 I just like…

01:03:18.200 I think it's a way to pull on people's emotions for…

01:03:21.640 I'm really not trying to do that.

01:03:23.100 I'm really trying to just remind you that,

01:03:25.020 hey, you know how bad throat slitting is in our society?

01:03:28.860 Why are we so quick to condone it?

01:03:31.760 for other species and that's and that's just my question that i keep coming back to

01:03:35.280 what is it about humans what is it about us what trait do we possess that is so much more special

01:03:42.300 than other animals you're saying it's depth of perception and and all the ancillary well if you

01:03:47.460 think about it all the ancillary subjects that come along with that like you said voice box

01:03:51.020 the ability to speak to no i understand that but listen at the end of the day i you you don't have

01:03:59.060 to go too far to pull my strings i have a lot of feelings and i hate i hate it and i think i i

01:04:04.160 will continue to turn a blind eye to it and that's just how i'll continue to live on because i like

01:04:09.160 eating state we'll see right yeah yeah but back to my biggest point is that i think we just need

01:04:15.120 to continue the research and like there there have been tons of other species rights and human rights

01:04:22.220 violations over the course of the past several thousand years that have been solved through

01:04:26.260 research some have been solved through conscious shifts but a lot of them have been solved through

01:04:32.160 research or a combination okay sure and i and i think the solve for this is when we're able to

01:04:38.200 put something on someone's plate where they say this is quite literally as good as what i would

01:04:43.000 have had absolutely as if as if this animal's throat got sleep on a mass scale but we don't

01:04:49.000 have to wait for that but we don't have to wait for that you don't have to wait for that and you

01:04:52.420 also one other point you don't have to agree that um we are equal and i'm just saying on some level

01:04:58.600 we're not equal on every level i'm just saying our right to live our lives free from exploitation

01:05:03.660 plus there's certain animals that are far more advanced than us like dolphins for example in

01:05:07.800 certain ways but you can communicate and people some people eat dolphins so it's exactly it's

01:05:11.800 humans for sure and i think we're i think like as we continue to go on i think uh maybe it's it's

01:05:19.700 It pains me to say it a little bit, and I hate to say it,

01:05:23.100 but I think they may just be a little bit ahead of the curve.

01:05:27.340 Of course.

01:05:28.160 Why does that pain you to say that?

01:05:29.440 I don't know.

01:05:30.220 Because I hate being there, but whatever.

01:05:34.020 That kind of is what it is.

01:05:35.240 And I think once you put a ribeye on my plate that I can cut into

01:05:42.220 and maybe they've fashioned it so it bleeds a little,

01:05:44.880 and it's grown in a lab, whatever,

01:05:46.280 I will hunt 1.00

01:05:48.740 every motherfucker that ever 1.00

01:05:50.580 slits the throat of a cow for the rest of my life 1.00

01:05:52.680 after that 1.00

01:05:53.160 as of right now

01:05:56.980 even the substitutes

01:05:58.780 they're getting there

01:06:00.260 I agree with you bro

01:06:02.680 you are a better person

01:06:04.720 than me right now

01:06:05.780 maybe in some ways

01:06:08.000 real quick too

01:06:09.940 on that note

01:06:11.000 because I think that is a common misconception

01:06:13.260 with people who are vegan

01:06:15.020 is like they want to come off as better i definitely don't agree with you with that

01:06:19.500 because maybe i'm more maybe i'm more aware of who said that they want to come off as better

01:06:24.940 no no no no some vegans feel that no i mean you just said like you're a better person than me i

01:06:30.480 think that's true because but i'm just i'm just saying that a lot of people think on on the other

01:06:35.820 note that we're coming across as trying to be better and it's not that it's like you're maybe

01:06:40.480 more aware of of certain things of health but you're more aware of things from a creative

01:06:46.060 standpoint maybe just as a comparison so that doesn't make me better that doesn't make you

01:06:50.500 better it's more like every each person has a different thing that they can bring to the table

01:06:56.420 and so i think like vegans as a community have something new uh to bring to the table quite

01:07:02.500 literally and there's also freaking annoying vegans like pita so i think like they do some 0.98

01:07:08.120 good shit yeah but yeah they also can be annoying as fuck so man earlier you said um well first of 0.99

01:07:13.620 let me just touch on that point i definitely don't think i'm better than anybody that's exactly why 0.99

01:07:17.780 i'm vegan you know i don't i don't feel that way at all i feel that i feel very very grateful to

01:07:22.860 have learned some information that um enabled me to make choices that cause far far less harm that

01:07:28.640 makes me feel very very good and i don't want this to be an exclusive club like nah we want to be

01:07:33.220 better than everybody no the total opposite i want everybody part of this crew man because i

01:07:38.160 want all this i want these slaughterhouses closed down forever earlier you said um you made a joke

01:07:43.640 man it was just a joke though but something about oh boy you none i was chill it's something about 0.99

01:07:47.180 you being like me seeing you as an asshole or whatever and i just don't like not at all 0.98

01:07:51.160 you know no no no no no no just as a joke though you no i said you're making me feel like oh okay 0.99

01:07:57.020 okay cool i didn't know no i'm just saying you know when you when you go as as graphic as you 0.92

01:08:02.240 do and which i said also by the way is necessary yeah it does make people go oh shit am i doing

01:08:08.440 the right thing in fact that's i believe you iterated why you even started to consider that

01:08:15.620 being a vegetarian or going vegan because you saw the documentaries because you got involved

01:08:19.660 because you saw the graphic you the images were placed in your mind where you uh were forced to

01:08:25.900 go to a place of veganism yeah um i guess what i was just trying to say though is that you know i

01:08:31.180 don't judge anybody man like we're all on our own path uh and you can't help what the information

01:08:37.160 you've got you can't help the level of empathy you've got mine's grown a lot like we're all

01:08:41.340 growing we're all trying to lift each other up and be better you i have a question for you two

01:08:46.040 just out of curiosity like genuine curiosity um do you think that we should show or educate kids

01:08:53.400 in school where meat really comes from and like how it's how it's made like how their lunch is

01:08:59.840 put on their plate do you think that would be i absolutely yeah i dude i am i don't think like

01:09:06.400 do you remember ever watching a video no never i didn't i don't think i really found out i don't

01:09:10.960 think there should be a sprinkle of macro thought i don't think there should be a sprinkle of

01:09:16.520 knowledge that is not available for people to absorb you know what i'm saying um including

01:09:23.420 meat like i uh the more people know the better i think the better the world's gonna be and i and i

01:09:29.520 think uh you know if i was raised differently sure maybe i'd i'd be vegan right now but i was never

01:09:35.200 yeah same uh yeah ever ever shown that you know and and also like try shit that's why like 0.69

01:09:40.680 you know i'm sitting here and i'm kind of contesting you because i know like a lot of people 0.53

01:09:44.040 are uh iffy about veganism try it try it try everything once like go for it see if it works 0.98

01:09:50.920 for you it's fucking dope it's good it's great for a lot of people it's changed a lot of fucking 0.93

01:09:54.600 lives it's sick i'm gonna go back i said it i'm gonna go back yeah i was just iterating my 0.99

01:09:58.680 experience you know yeah one of the one of the things that i thought was really crazy um my

01:10:04.120 mom is uh was a nurse for ever and my dad's super involved in medical devices and i've talked to a

01:10:12.380 bunch of people in the medical space that as soon as they open someone's chest or they open their

01:10:17.900 heart for like heart surgery they can tell if that person eats meat or doesn't because of the

01:10:24.060 arteries yeah yeah yeah so like you pulled up you know we were talking earlier you pulled up

01:10:28.480 uh rockefeller he had six heart transplants he had six different hearts yeah that's crazy he

01:10:36.060 lived till he was 101 so you ran through six hearts i mean that's something like the average

01:10:41.880 person can't afford to live i think i think you're gonna i think you're gonna find exceptions and i

01:10:47.980 think you're like my like my grandfather was died at 96 years old or whatever and he ate bacon and

01:10:53.280 eggs every single day with his friends and so it's like smokers too it does and i think and by

01:10:58.700 the way i just listen i it's genetics a lot of it comes down to that and some people their genes

01:11:06.380 have been like they're stronger they can handle things and some people are susceptible to certain

01:11:10.840 things what were you going to say about um educating kids on where meat comes from no i

01:11:14.680 no i wasn't my only point on that one was just like uh it's sometimes i think about like where

01:11:21.140 the line gets drawn with that stuff like uh do you show kids where the floor came from it's made

01:11:25.720 of wood do you know what i'm saying and is there going to be an outrage over the fact that um no

01:11:29.520 no no no because the floor won't affect the future of humankind if we started consuming differently

01:11:35.320 i mean it will if we keep cutting down trees for floors for wooden floors sure yeah but to your

01:11:40.860 point maybe or for walls or for roofs for wooden walls and wooden roofs yeah sure but but don't

01:11:45.220 say yeah sure like that's a massive problem the cutting down of our trees for for deforestation

01:11:49.560 massive problem yes yes and so it's like it's like where do you where do you draw the line do

01:11:55.520 you show them that yes you do yeah yeah you absolutely do you show them deforestation and

01:11:59.160 they just make decisions for themselves which i which i agree with which i think which which is

01:12:03.360 really cool about like i don't want to give it away um but what we're all about to talk about

01:12:07.780 this week about like different stuff that we can do to contribute to the planet and what we can do

01:12:12.780 with our our voices now you know you compare that to when we were kids there was just a few channels

01:12:17.900 that you're watching there was no internet like that wasn't a thing and as soon as that kind of

01:12:22.980 came to be now all these other people have voices now all these people can talk about stuff so

01:12:26.800 that's why i really support what you're doing because yeah it's uncomfortable as hell and yeah

01:12:31.600 it gets a lot of flack but at the same time we're using this platform that we have to communicate so

01:12:36.900 the the access to knowledge is so vast now and i want to be a part of of spreading that which is

01:12:45.040 what you said we got a big meeting coming up this week guys we're gonna do some good things for this

01:12:48.440 planet god damn it and on that note too i think one thing that um you know in terms of being

01:12:54.360 plant-based um when i look at people it goes beyond all the ethics and all this stuff i think 0.95

01:13:00.160 another point is too like we live in a very scarcity mindset nowadays like where you you

01:13:06.080 see like trump as our president he's promoting jobs like jobs is always the thing so in order

01:13:11.060 to have more jobs we got to have coal you know we got to destroy the environment more and i think

01:13:16.280 like when you think about veganism or plant-based there it opens up so many opportunities because

01:13:23.380 now you look at a mcdonald's like if you want to start a fast food company in michigan or ohio

01:13:28.000 where we're from you you're gonna get run out because there's 50 other ones but say you find

01:13:34.440 a location a bigger city that's maybe a little more open and you open something that's plant-based

01:13:39.460 There's a huge opportunity there

01:13:41.680 Because there's a shift happening

01:13:43.200 Veggie grill just set up

01:13:45.280 Veggie grill

01:13:46.100 We get veggie grill sometimes

01:13:48.560 And this is how I know

01:13:49.820 That we're closing in on good turf here

01:13:52.140 Sometimes we just get veggie grill

01:13:53.800 Because we legit want veggie grill

01:13:55.180 Like it's not even because we have to eat

01:13:58.200 Shout out veggie grill 0.99

01:13:59.140 I want a buffalo bomber

01:14:00.960 I want the buffalo chilling wings 1.00

01:14:03.100 Because it's really good shit 0.99

01:14:06.060 And I think we're moving in that direction 0.98

01:14:09.400 Speaking of Veggie Girl

01:14:11.860 I want to bring this up

01:14:13.160 Before we go to an audio only

01:14:16.660 I thought you were saying go to Veggie Girl

01:14:18.460 Go to Veggie Girl

01:14:19.180 You've seen this bro 0.88

01:14:21.440 Big vegan YouTubers leaving veganism

01:14:24.140 After he broke down and ate raw eggs

01:14:25.620 After a 35 day water fast

01:14:27.260 You saw this

01:14:28.300 Can I read one of the sentences

01:14:30.600 Not that one please

01:14:32.820 You know what I'm going to read bro

01:14:34.440 So he decided to try animal products

01:14:37.760 He ate local raw eggs and wild caught salmon

01:14:39.820 He called the move a huge identity crisis

01:14:42.020 But he admitted he felt better

01:14:43.500 He even said another quote here 0.55

01:14:45.160 After eating salmon he ejaculated

01:14:47.740 For the first time in months 0.99

01:14:49.040 What the hell was this guy

01:14:52.080 Eating before?

01:14:53.600 He did a 35 day water fast

01:14:55.780 There's a part where he says he couldn't do any push

01:14:57.920 I couldn't do push ups without getting injured

01:14:59.920 This guy

01:15:01.360 This guy

01:15:02.560 This is that dude

01:15:04.680 Thank god we didn't hang out with him

01:15:06.900 Oh, he came to the fight? 1.00

01:15:07.820 Is he British?

01:15:09.180 He is, yeah. 1.00

01:15:09.800 Is he a nut? 0.99

01:15:10.940 Well, pretty nutty. 0.99

01:15:12.980 He ejaculated him in 35 days. 0.98

01:15:15.480 Like, dog, what are you doing? 0.96

01:15:16.920 That's not about being vegan.

01:15:18.360 I know Tim.

01:15:19.520 And I really like this guy, man.

01:15:22.060 You know, when I knew him, I thought he was a very cool guy.

01:15:24.340 He's done a lot for veganism.

01:15:25.760 He won Ninja Warrior on a plant-based diet.

01:15:28.560 Oh, he did?

01:15:28.920 He was a very…

01:15:29.900 He's one of the world's best free runners. 1.00

01:15:31.860 Oh, shit. 0.99

01:15:32.340 Yeah, all on a plant-based diet. 1.00

01:15:33.920 I think he

01:15:34.880 you know

01:15:35.340 my own personal opinion

01:15:36.280 of this guy

01:15:36.740 is he's striving

01:15:37.340 for a level of perfection

01:15:38.300 that doesn't exist

01:15:39.200 and he's always trying

01:15:40.160 new things

01:15:40.540 he did a 35 day water fast 0.90

01:15:41.880 he drank his own piss 0.79

01:15:42.880 for two years 0.82

01:15:43.880 oh he's one of the 0.57

01:15:44.760 piss drinkers

01:15:45.300 we've talked about this

01:15:46.500 does that dequalify you

01:15:48.220 if you're a piss drinker

01:15:49.840 I think anything you say

01:15:51.060 is

01:15:51.460 it's extreme

01:15:52.340 yeah it's extreme

01:15:53.040 it should be questioned

01:15:54.740 it should be

01:15:55.400 I was just sipping

01:15:56.160 my glass of piss right now

01:15:57.720 so weird

01:15:58.520 I shouldn't be on the podcast

01:15:59.740 it's not that

01:16:01.180 it's just like

01:16:01.860 nah yeah you're right 1.00

01:16:03.280 get the fuck off 0.99

01:16:04.620 So I think, look, man, he's one of… 1.00

01:16:08.100 I don't know what it is with him.

01:16:09.440 I think who knows where his mental health is at or whatever.

01:16:12.560 Or what these extreme diets have done for him.

01:16:15.500 And, you know, he felt better after eating whatever he ate, 0.99

01:16:19.620 eggs or salmon or some shit. 0.98

01:16:20.900 If I go vegan again and I can't finish, dude, 0.99

01:16:24.000 I'm going to be really mad at you, bro.

01:16:25.600 Hey, I've got a good statistic for you, man. 1.00

01:16:27.300 Oh, shit. 0.98

01:16:28.000 You should try to get up because I don't want to get the numbers wrong. 0.99

01:16:30.420 But look up vegan versus omni-erectile dysfunction.

01:16:35.780 Omni-erectile dysfunction.

01:16:37.960 I'm going to make that my kid's middle name.

01:16:40.500 I think it's two words.

01:16:41.900 Better.

01:16:43.320 Honestly, let's talk about this.

01:16:44.920 Like vegan boners.

01:16:47.260 Let's talk about it.

01:16:48.920 They're better, dude.

01:16:49.980 What do you mean they're better?

01:16:50.940 They're better.

01:16:51.420 Plant-based boners, man.

01:16:53.300 It's a real thing, dude.

01:16:54.980 You can laugh.

01:16:56.220 You can think I'm joking.

01:16:57.420 It's a real thing.

01:16:58.280 Also, when you're eating that good food and not that rotting flesh, things taste a little different.

01:17:02.760 Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:17:03.560 You're not about to tell me your vegan boner is better than mine.

01:17:06.720 I know you're not going to tell me that.

01:17:08.340 I might not go there, but it's... 1.00

01:17:10.840 Vegan boners are good, bro. 1.00

01:17:11.660 What's so dope about it, guy?

01:17:14.460 Like, I never struggled with ED. 1.00

01:17:17.220 Bro, you're fucking 12. 1.00

01:17:18.540 Exactly. 1.00

01:17:19.200 Oh, I mean, hold on a second.

01:17:20.760 No, no, no, no, no, no.

01:17:21.840 Let's cut back to the root. 1.00

01:17:22.920 Boners are all about blood flow. 1.00

01:17:24.520 So let's go. 1.00

01:17:25.260 Exactly, that's what it is.

01:17:26.420 Exactly.

01:17:26.700 That's what it is.

01:17:27.220 That's what I was going to get at.

01:17:28.180 That's what I was going to get at.

01:17:29.500 Finally, I knew I'd find something to do.

01:17:31.320 Like the ability to just go full send.

01:17:35.040 It just happens, bro.

01:17:36.420 It happens more frequently. 1.00

01:17:37.260 Spencer's a fucking flagpole over here, bro. 1.00

01:17:39.420 Just a flagpole, dog. 1.00

01:17:40.540 The dude just walking around with a boner all day. 0.97

01:17:41.900 Oh my God. 0.51

01:17:43.340 That makes so much sense.

01:17:44.320 No, that's not true.

01:17:44.820 He's got a corn husk as a...

01:17:47.300 Yeah, I don't know the statistics, man.

01:17:49.660 No, no, it's right here, bro.

01:17:50.580 Oh, you got it?

01:17:51.500 Vegetables are the best way to not only prevent ED, but the heart disease.

01:17:55.500 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:56.020 I mean, there's a lot of stats in this paragraph here.

01:17:58.680 Oh, cool. 0.99

01:17:59.100 Well, people can look that shit up. 0.99

01:18:00.820 But basically, you stay hard longer, more years if you're eating a plant-based diet. 1.00

01:18:05.440 Damn. 0.99

01:18:05.840 I know. 1.00

01:18:06.480 But no, you're going back there anyway.

01:18:07.940 It's all good.

01:18:08.640 So like, hey, it's lit if you want to live to 150 LP.

01:18:12.240 But do you want to get boners at 150?

01:18:14.500 Oh, yeah. 0.95

01:18:15.900 That's what I'm saying, dog.

01:18:16.860 Boners are what?

01:18:18.180 People like the mentality of like dudes saying like you're weak if you're vegan.

01:18:22.320 It's like, bro, let's talk when we're 80. 0.93

01:18:23.580 Let's see if you can get a boner. 0.96

01:18:24.480 Let's talk boners.

01:18:25.240 Well, I mean, technically, anybody can get a boner at 80 nowadays.

01:18:28.040 I just got to pop a pill.

01:18:29.180 Okay, 120.

01:18:29.820 Let's talk boners.

01:18:30.480 No, literally any age. 1.00

01:18:31.640 You just take a pill and you got a fucking boner. 1.00

01:18:33.780 That's nothing nowadays. 1.00

01:18:35.060 That's true.

01:18:35.580 Like a real boner, no pill.

01:18:37.240 Question for you.

01:18:38.780 Because Australia, right?

01:18:39.940 Yeah.

01:18:40.120 Obviously.

01:18:41.440 Speaking of boners, have you ever been scared that you might fall off the side of the flat

01:18:47.500 earth?

01:18:48.180 I was wondering if you guys would bring this up.

01:18:50.720 It's just end of the podcast. 0.97

01:18:51.720 I got to ask because you're right fucking there. 0.95

01:18:54.000 Am I? 0.98

01:18:54.440 Yeah.

01:18:55.200 I've never worried about it before.

01:18:56.960 I've never swam out that far.

01:18:59.100 How far a swim is it?

01:19:00.620 Something to think about.

01:19:01.540 Yeah, something to think about.

01:19:02.140 I'll keep it in mind.

01:19:03.060 We can talk about it more later.

01:19:04.180 Hey, listen, I want to go to an audio-only Q&A.

01:19:07.680 All right.

01:19:08.220 I want to ask you a little bit about PETA and Steve Irwin.

01:19:11.800 We can't do this on video.

01:19:13.140 It's going to be a juicy conversation.

01:19:14.420 We're going to do it in the audio-only Q&A.

01:19:16.540 Yo, James, thank you for joining us, bro, for reals,

01:19:18.600 and educating us about your vegan life.

01:19:21.860 My pleasure, man.

01:19:22.420 Thanks so much for having me on.

01:19:23.260 I really appreciate being able to talk about this.

01:19:25.000 Thank you.

01:19:25.280 Of course, dude.

01:19:25.660 Where can they find you on social?

01:19:27.260 At James Aspie on Instagram.

01:19:29.220 James Aspie on Facebook.

01:19:30.280 James and Carly on YouTube. 0.98

01:19:32.060 Fucking incredible. 0.98

01:19:32.740 And how do you say that without using words? 0.99

01:19:37.540 That's when I get my pen and paper out, man.

01:19:40.840 Okay, yo.

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01:19:51.700 Yo, the amount of soy boy comments.

01:19:53.260 in this one

01:19:54.240 it's going to be fun

01:19:55.000 it's going to be big

01:19:56.000 do you get called soy boy

01:19:57.080 a lot

01:19:57.360 not enough

01:19:58.320 wait wait wait

01:19:59.000 not enough

01:19:59.540 that's dope to me

01:20:02.120 yeah

01:20:02.540 I'm proud soy boy

01:20:03.520 I like

01:20:03.960 soy boy 0.97

01:20:04.840 I think it's fucking awesome 0.90

01:20:06.200 yeah I got a little 0.92

01:20:07.060 surprise on the way 1.00

01:20:08.380 oh shit 1.00

01:20:09.340 soy boy's cool to me 1.00

01:20:10.960 when you say

01:20:11.620 you got a little

01:20:12.080 surprise on the way

01:20:12.980 after you tell me

01:20:13.780 about your plant-based

01:20:14.580 boners

01:20:14.940 I get really

01:20:16.080 I get really worried

01:20:17.820 about what that might mean

01:20:18.800 hey I want to ask you

01:20:19.960 about this

01:20:20.480 Peter Steve Irwin thing

01:20:21.460 but first

01:20:22.340 can i ask you a series of questions about you yeah bro for sure nothing off limits what age

01:20:30.500 were you uh vegetarian when'd you start that so that 25 26 26 man yeah and then when'd you go to

01:20:38.840 veganism a year later just over a year later gotcha yeah um that's just sensitive and i don't

01:20:48.380 want to uh it's all good rough any feathers were you ever a drug addict or an alcoholic or a sex

01:20:55.180 addict or were you struggling from any sort of large i need to turn my life around now sort of

01:21:01.560 i had some big turn around brother yeah i had a big turn around i was diagnosed with cancer when 0.95

01:21:06.120 i was 17 that was some heavy shit um for three years i was on chemotherapy i was given six weeks

01:21:11.540 to live if i didn't start the treatment they were recommending but that all worked out i've only got 0.95

01:21:16.860 a few scars to show for it thankfully that during that time i was in the hospital i was eating big

01:21:23.100 mac burgers i was on this dose of steroids prednisolone that was so high i couldn't sleep

01:21:28.260 more than two hours a night for over a month i was just eating that's all i wanted to do

01:21:32.360 and there was no satiating my appetite i put on about 50 pounds so quick man my skin ripped and

01:21:39.840 bled on my sides i got big stretch yeah real quick and that got me into binge eating i was

01:21:46.840 was eating for emotional reasons i didn't know i was an emotional eater i didn't even know what

01:21:50.320 emotional eating was over time this binge eating this insatiable trying to like just get food in

01:21:56.600 because of the good feeling and as soon as it's like it's like coke man as soon as it wears off

01:22:01.020 that good feeling you just want more so that's what i was like with binge eating i'd eat food

01:22:05.520 as soon as i swallowed that last bite i needed more there was there was no satiating that feeling

01:22:09.740 because food is to satisfy hunger not to satisfy happiness or any of this other shit so that led 0.93

01:22:15.920 to bulimia not the bulimia that i think a lot of people suffer from where it's some sort of body

01:22:20.280 dysmorphia for me it was just i wanted to eat so much food that i would get to the point where i

01:22:26.360 would spew so i'd feel better because i was eating so much that i'd feel like absolute shit and during 0.96

01:22:31.580 this time as well when i had cancer and i was on this chemotherapy and shit they told me i was you 0.98

01:22:36.600 know maybe i was gonna die very good chance i was gonna die and that i wasn't allowed to drink or 0.92

01:22:41.380 anything like this so i just started taking heaps of pills heaps of eckies heaps of speed and fair 0.97

01:22:47.180 bit of coke smoking weed all day every day and just fucking going hard man because i thought i 0.77

01:22:52.100 was gonna die this became something that i did get a really good handle of when i turned 23 i was 0.98

01:22:58.600 just it's never like a fucking bad like cracky or nothing you know i was i was in control of it i 0.85

01:23:03.700 I was still keeping a job and I was fine. 0.63

01:23:06.240 But I was also very into taking a lot of drugs,

01:23:12.000 like really pushing my limits.

01:23:14.280 And sometimes then some.

01:23:15.940 I had a drug-induced psychosis when I was 21.

01:23:19.940 That happened in Canada.

01:23:20.920 I had way too much.

01:23:22.060 And for about six months, I had lost my grip of reality.

01:23:24.720 What did you take too much of?

01:23:26.600 Was it coke?

01:23:27.580 I think the problem was two things.

01:23:30.900 One was that I had my first acid trip after four days of having mushrooms sporadically throughout the days, which I hadn't had much of at that time.

01:23:38.300 And then I also was reading this very spiritual book, the first spiritual book I'd ever read called A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle.

01:23:45.180 Who's read that? 0.99

01:23:46.040 Fucking good book, man. 0.99

01:23:47.540 I've read it many times since. 0.99

01:23:49.360 Anyway, and this basically he's teaching this technique, observe the sensation in your body.

01:23:54.920 Every time you notice that your thinking come out of your thoughts into your body.

01:23:58.220 and that's creating a lot of power because we're often thinking about the future we're often

01:24:02.160 thinking about the past so I started getting a lot of power from this technique but this technique

01:24:06.940 was polluted by the amount of drugs I had been on around this time and so I had this drug-induced

01:24:13.540 psychosis I had to really work to get my shit together and you know I'd been telling myself 0.97

01:24:17.580 some stories that weren't true that I thought were legit but also there was some shit I can't explain 0.97

01:24:22.980 about being connected to the universe in a very interesting way and you know it's a fucking long 0.57

01:24:28.660 that's a whole nother podcast man yeah it was a crazy crazy trip anyway so after that um you know 0.72

01:24:34.880 at some point the the bulimia got real bad where i was some some days i was binging and purging

01:24:42.580 five times a day maybe even more and from what i remember that was probably a lot of the days 0.99

01:24:48.080 i just always wanted to what was your what was your poison fuck ice cream it's so easy to form 0.99

01:24:53.420 it back mine was anything because i oddly enough and i'm not even going to do 30 seconds this time 0.99

01:24:59.200 because we've talked about it in the past but i had a drug a really severe drug addiction oh

01:25:02.640 that poison 10 years no no no no no it's not but then i but then i also formed a in a way when i

01:25:08.880 got clean a bit of a binge eating situation as well because it was like almost like i replaced 0.94

01:25:13.300 this addiction exactly my thing was um hash browns and like french fries and shit i love 0.98

01:25:19.380 fucking like fried potatoes bro yeah yeah yeah get that salt on there yeah man well yeah you 0.99

01:25:26.300 you said it spot on so for so long when i'm trying to cure myself for this fucking bulimia which i 0.99

01:25:30.600 couldn't i was like how did i get to this point i'm a personal trainer i mean personal trainer for 0.89

01:25:34.700 like seven years at this point how did i get here how am i trying to teach people how to be healthy

01:25:38.820 live a good life when i don't even have my food anywhere near under control i'm so out of control 0.98

01:25:43.340 with this shit i'm looking into sugar addiction i'm looking into all this shit and i didn't know 0.98

01:25:48.600 what what was my problem until i did this vipassana meditation course 10 day silent meditation 0.99

01:25:54.460 meditate 11 hours for 10 day and that's where i really went deep and i learned this technique

01:25:58.880 about sitting with uncomfortable sensations rather than reacting to them which is all i do i get a

01:26:04.180 craving for food and boom i'm there reacting straight up i would never be like okay if i sit

01:26:08.100 with this. Eventually it will pass. And the next time I get this craving, it'll be a less strong

01:26:11.780 and I'm a bit more strong. I didn't know the ticket out of there, man. And then I read this

01:26:15.860 book after that meditation that worked perfectly with it called End Emotional Eating by Dr.

01:26:22.340 Jennifer Tates. I read the back of this. I was like, this is fucking me. This is my key right

01:26:27.220 here. And I read the book and that was it. So then I just practiced the technique. I wasn't

01:26:31.080 perfect straight away. But then the day I started my vow of silence, which was also the day that I

01:26:35.100 went vegan was also the day I said from this day on I'm never binging and purging again that was

01:26:41.160 five and a bit years ago now and I remember just in the same week that I said that I was traveling 0.91

01:26:46.900 doing my bow silence around Australia and I was like fuck it I'm binging so I ate a tub of ice 0.66

01:26:52.400 cream vegan ice cream and half a tub of peanut butter and I'm sitting and this is the easiest 0.99

01:26:56.660 thing to get back up so that's all I wanted to do but I'm sitting there I'm like nah if I do that

01:27:00.780 then I'm just back in this cycle what you know that that vow I made myself of never binging and

01:27:06.000 purging again means nothing so no I'm not doing it and you're just gonna sit with this no matter 0.98

01:27:10.340 how shit you feel too bad you chose it you're gonna sit with this shit now where before I'd 0.99

01:27:14.520 feel shit and I'd go ah I just spew it up I feel good again anyway and then the next morning I woke 1.00

01:27:19.480 up I was like well I still feel shit but cool next time when I had a binge however long later 0.99

01:27:24.240 a week two weeks whatever it was I was like 90% into my binge and I'm like shit I'm not gonna 0.97

01:27:30.380 to spew this up man maybe i should stop now because if i have 10 more it's just going to 0.97

01:27:34.460 make me 10 more shit and i'm not going to be satisfied from that 10 anyway so i stopped a 0.97

01:27:38.700 little bit sooner and then i stopped a little bit sooner next time and over time i just i get these 0.99

01:27:43.600 oh fuck man i've got the best relationship with food now the one i always dreamed of where i eat 0.98

01:27:47.780 when i'm hungry i'll stop when i'm full sometimes i treat myself to pizza or cake or whatever but 0.99

01:27:52.660 often i'm just like no i'm good i'd rather just eat the good shit it's awesome i got there man 0.89

01:27:56.460 that's awesome yeah and anybody can get there it's just a path it's a technique man of learning 0.97

01:28:00.820 how to sit with uncomfortable sensations realizing that you're eating for emotional reasons

01:28:04.880 and go when you've got these cravings you let it sit you let it be it's gonna pass it's always

01:28:09.600 impermanent when it passes and you didn't you didn't satisfy that craving by going to your

01:28:14.520 drug whether it's food or whatever drug when you just let it pass nature take care of it

01:28:19.000 then you're stronger and you you know the next time it's gonna pass too it might be five minutes

01:28:23.140 might be an out but it's gonna pass sit with it sit with that uncomfort until you get comfortable

01:28:28.260 to the point where those cravings don't mean shit to you they don't even face you anymore 0.93

01:28:31.760 damn good for you man thanks bro and with the drugs i you know i um i just got to a point 0.98

01:28:38.220 where i realized same time in the vow silence i was like you know i need to let all this shit go 0.99

01:28:42.140 i want to see how bright i can shine without it i'm still putting this this extra energy into me 0.91

01:28:46.220 i want to see what happens if i meditate two hours a day i want to see where i can take it where i

01:28:50.620 can take me and you know that's what I did man and um you know I'll be like that was I did that

01:28:59.340 for five years I didn't even have a coffee nothing and there's been a couple of times since where I've

01:29:04.220 just seen if I could go back there with any of the drugs that I once enjoyed and I realized that nah 0.96

01:29:12.000 I can't you know I'm better without it mostly and so I just let it go man and I feel fucking heaps

01:29:17.340 better like you know there'll be times if i'm straight up there'll be times where maybe i'll 0.67

01:29:20.640 have a little bit of mushrooms here or there something that i know i'm not going to abuse 0.59

01:29:23.460 yeah because i feel like that shit can be medicinal yeah but you know done in the right 0.89

01:29:27.920 setting with the right mind frame at the right dose very carefully yeah you know you don't just 0.99

01:29:32.380 abuse that shit it can get really wild but um you know for me at least i feel like there's 0.98

01:29:36.560 some medicinal benefits to certain plant medicines i'd never go back to coke or pills and even weed 0.99

01:29:42.460 i know that shit is just like my kryptonite so i don't go there interesting i want to ask you 0.97

01:29:49.760 about pita okay are you on board are you on board for pita are you on the pita train huge fan of all 0.99

01:29:55.040 the good they've done nobody's perfect man i think they've done a lot of good shit at raising

01:29:58.780 awareness for animals probably more than anybody any group um there's they've also got a lot of

01:30:03.060 campaigns that i think are just totally crazy this thing they did with steve erwin where they

01:30:08.940 They sort of disdained Google's use of Steve Irwin.

01:30:12.700 Yeah.

01:30:13.780 You with it?

01:30:14.480 I mean, what are your thoughts?

01:30:15.080 What did they say again?

01:30:16.000 Steve Irwin.

01:30:16.740 I think…

01:30:17.740 You got it up?

01:30:18.620 Yeah, I'm actually…

01:30:19.440 I don't want to misspeak here.

01:30:20.960 Cool.

01:30:22.140 I just glanced at it, so I'm not that up on it, man.

01:30:24.500 But I do remember having thoughts about it when I read it.

01:30:27.100 I mean, I'm sure it's…

01:30:28.720 It's right up your alley.

01:30:30.720 Let's see what they said.

01:30:31.820 The tweet was…

01:30:34.380 Hashtag Steve Irwin was killed while harassing a ray.

01:30:37.620 He dangled his baby while feeding a crocodile

01:30:39.620 and wrestled wild animals who were minding their own business.

01:30:42.660 Today's hashtag Google Doodle sends this dangerous fawning message.

01:30:45.940 Wild animals are entitled to be left alone in their natural habitats.

01:30:49.860 Well, I strongly agree with that last sentence.

01:30:52.500 Wild animals, the best thing to do is to leave them alone in their natural habitats.

01:30:56.740 I don't know what he was doing with that stingray,

01:30:58.660 whether he was harassing it or it was just in the water with it.

01:31:00.640 I don't know.

01:31:01.240 I don't know about him dangling the baby, his baby, 0.99

01:31:05.560 while he was feeding the crocodile or some shit. 0.98

01:31:07.440 I don't know. 0.79

01:31:07.820 What I do know is that if you don't need to keep animals in an enclosure like a zoo and, you know, you're just basically imprisoning them and they've done nothing wrong, I'm against that.

01:31:18.240 I'm against exploiting animals and, you know, manipulating their situations or whatever to be entertaining for humans. 0.99

01:31:24.980 I don't think that shit's good. 0.99

01:31:25.520 We did yoga with goats today. 1.00

01:31:28.200 Cool.

01:31:28.620 What do you make of that?

01:31:30.240 Well, I don't know, man.

01:31:32.220 I mean, it's, you know, you did yoga with goats.

01:31:35.420 I think probably that was fine.

01:31:37.440 You know, it's like doing yoga with dogs.

01:31:39.380 It's probably fine.

01:31:40.240 But also, did you call a…

01:31:44.240 One of those like…

01:31:45.360 What are those? 0.93

01:31:48.540 Pedophiles?

01:31:49.100 No, no, no, no.

01:31:50.420 They bring in the petting zoo.

01:31:53.380 You know, if you like call a petting zoo where even those animals,

01:31:56.140 when they get too big, they get slaughtered too. 0.99

01:31:57.980 Like if that's the sort of shit you're funding to get these animals here, 0.99

01:32:00.780 I don't think that's good. 1.00

01:32:01.580 Nah, this lady… 0.99

01:32:02.900 She referred to the goats as her kids multiple times. 1.00

01:32:07.440 They like meditate together with them.

01:32:08.960 At first I thought it was a joke.

01:32:10.580 That's funny.

01:32:11.480 They actually live in the bedroom and she lives in the barn.

01:32:15.040 Actually, they keep her.

01:32:17.060 They're actually holding her hostage. 1.00

01:32:18.660 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:32:19.240 We're going to send Hida over there. 1.00

01:32:22.340 It's the human rights organization to go get her out. 1.00

01:32:25.680 Yeah, just on that thing, man.

01:32:27.400 Like, you know, you said she sees them like they're kids. 0.99

01:32:29.660 A lot of farmers say shit like I treat them as good as I treat my children. 1.00

01:32:33.500 And then they kill them. 1.00

01:32:34.260 Yeah, I'm thinking like I've seen these animals in the rape racks. 0.51

01:32:37.260 my note on the peter thing it's like okay it's an opinion at some point it's an opinion to say 0.67

01:32:46.380 what they said and tweet it and i think it's like you know at some point just just shut up 0.97

01:32:51.100 what i do think about what they do they do controversial shit to get conversations 0.98

01:32:57.680 happening because a conversation can go a long way with people but i think i agree with you 0.88

01:33:02.740 which which is uh you know a tactic that that works but also you you have think about how many

01:33:09.500 people they just turned off from being interested in plant-based or any anything coming from them

01:33:15.200 yeah because they just demeaned uh like a childhood idol of yours so it's like very strategic no i

01:33:22.740 mean in a way but ultimately i'd love to see that board meeting oh my god i'm sure they had a lot 0.95

01:33:28.400 of interesting then you have somebody there just being like yo this is probably one of the dumber 0.58

01:33:32.040 things we could do right now. 0.84

01:33:33.160 This is one of the bad ones.

01:33:34.220 But I think, you know,

01:33:35.720 it's hard, man.

01:33:37.440 Like, you're trying to end 0.99

01:33:38.100 some big shit here. 0.99

01:33:40.700 And, you know, 0.99

01:33:41.240 by any means necessary,

01:33:42.780 a lot of people would say.

01:33:43.700 And if you were one of those individuals

01:33:45.160 in that situation

01:33:46.200 in a slaughterhouse,

01:33:47.100 you would be saying, 1.00

01:33:47.940 fuck yeah, Peter. 1.00

01:33:48.700 Say everything. 1.00

01:33:49.740 Do all the things.

01:33:50.680 Get us out of this.

01:33:51.360 Yeah, true, true.

01:33:52.300 Have you seen

01:33:53.080 How to Train Your Dragon 3 yet?

01:33:55.140 I've seen the first one.

01:33:55.980 I loved it, man.

01:33:56.940 I thought that was

01:33:57.380 a real vegan message, actually.

01:33:59.160 Great movie.

01:33:59.720 Yeah, one of my favorites.

01:34:01.080 You should watch the second, and then you should watch the third.

01:34:03.840 The third just came out.

01:34:04.800 It's in theaters.

01:34:06.120 And oddly enough, what you're saying really resonates in How to Train Your Dragon 3.

01:34:15.720 You saw it with me, right?

01:34:18.000 Yeah.

01:34:18.480 Doesn't it?

01:34:19.380 Doesn't it?

01:34:20.000 I don't give it away.

01:34:21.660 This is a spoiler alert.

01:34:23.620 This is a spoiler alert.

01:34:24.440 If you're still listening right now.

01:34:26.900 I really want to say it.

01:34:27.940 I can't believe it.

01:34:29.340 Stop listening.

01:34:30.120 No, I'll say it without giving… 1.00

01:34:31.680 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:34:32.200 I can't. 1.00

01:34:32.700 I can't.

01:34:33.340 Say it.

01:34:34.200 Say it.

01:34:34.540 Say it, bro.

01:34:35.100 Let's just talk about the theme at least.

01:34:37.340 If you want to watch How to Train Your Dragon 3, I'm about to, like, spoiler alert.

01:34:41.680 Spoiler alert.

01:34:43.900 In the end, bro, even though he loves his dragon, his dad taught him before his dad passed away.

01:34:51.980 His dad taught him that the greatest gift that you can give is the gift of love.

01:34:55.720 and uh the kid's dragon fell in love with a female dragon i don't i don't know if you remember

01:35:02.460 the night fury his dragon is one of one or or so he thought right so this this mate he found

01:35:08.560 that was like that's his girl bro that's it that's his uh that's going to be his future and

01:35:13.280 his kin um so he ends up letting his dragon go off to live and love with his mate in this

01:35:22.200 sacred safe dragon kingdom instead of harnessing him and using him as a pet to further his agenda

01:35:29.240 as a viking wow and uh it's it it it is like he's letting the animal go go live his life and putting

01:35:36.740 his personal uh personal beliefs and wants aside that's cool yeah it was cool you know what man i

01:35:43.920 said the word noble and i guess this is another thing that i did want to mention so i'm glad it

01:35:48.420 came up again you know being vegan and doing the right thing by animals is not something special

01:35:54.020 it's not some hero shit it's it's just the least we should do like the least we should do is be 0.94

01:35:59.620 vegan that's the start she's about causing not causing unnecessary harm like that's not like 0.98

01:36:04.280 whoa vegans are so ethical she's like no we just stopped paying people to kill them for us that's 0.60

01:36:08.920 pretty fucking standard yeah you know what i mean and so like that guy yeah cool man i'm glad you 0.66

01:36:13.820 had that realization about that dragon you know he i'm glad he had that realization here's here's 0.95

01:36:19.020 why also i bring it up because like it fucking affected me i don't know why but it was like 0.70

01:36:22.920 i it was one of the first times i did look at like a civilization granted the dragons are like 0.80

01:36:28.720 hyper intelligent in the movie but it was the first time i looked at a civilization of quote 0.60

01:36:32.920 unquote animals as like holy shit they do have their own hierarchies they do fall in love they 0.87

01:36:38.340 have families and they're gonna go off and be independent without us if we let them and it was 0.67

01:36:45.200 just it was it was interesting the movie yeah remember uh we were watching the sea world

01:36:49.460 documentary and it was like the the killer whales when they're taken from their family the family

01:36:57.060 knows and they're sad and they're crying that you're pulling them out of the ocean and the

01:37:01.340 dolphins at tarji they don't leave their fam so even though all the slaughter is happening they

01:37:07.020 stay and try to help for as long as possible

01:37:09.120 all these they get and that's what they pray on

01:37:11.040 that's what us humans we pray on

01:37:12.880 their loyalty to their family 1.00

01:37:15.320 they know they're going to be like oh fuck it 1.00

01:37:16.580 every dolphin for themselves they're like no 1.00

01:37:18.980 our fam's here like we need to try to

01:37:21.040 help each other. The Cove

01:37:22.760 that's that. I think that film

01:37:24.920 damn that's crazy. Have you guys 0.99

01:37:27.000 seen Cove? I want to shout out a film

01:37:29.000 is that cool? Shout out a film. Alright

01:37:30.600 watch dominion.com

01:37:32.940 that is a new documentary that has come

01:37:35.060 out in Australia. It is

01:37:36.880 all undercover shit or hidden cameras or whatever it's fresh footage what's it called dominion okay 0.97

01:37:43.140 and you go to watch dominion.com it's also on my youtube channel okay okay okay um and you might 0.97

01:37:47.920 never have seen most people have never seen i've spoke to people who are 80 years old have never

01:37:50.940 seen what happens to animals before they become that neatly wrapped package on the supermarket

01:37:54.400 shelf so if you want to just check it out like i think we all owe them at least an hour and a half

01:37:59.680 of our time to see what we're paying for when we eat these things i don't think people are worried

01:38:04.340 about the hour and a half.

01:38:05.260 I think they're worried

01:38:05.720 about what they feel like

01:38:06.780 for the next 10 years

01:38:08.020 after watching it.

01:38:09.040 You know what I'm saying?

01:38:09.700 Like, if I knew

01:38:10.360 it was going to be

01:38:10.840 an hour and a half

01:38:11.420 and I would just watch it

01:38:12.180 and turn it off,

01:38:12.860 I don't want to watch it

01:38:13.980 because I don't want to,

01:38:14.840 I don't want to feel the thing.

01:38:16.480 Like, I'm just,

01:38:16.980 I'm too busy turning,

01:38:17.840 I'm too busy just turning

01:38:19.360 my back on the situation

01:38:20.320 and eating burgers

01:38:20.940 because it tastes good.

01:38:21.860 But, but you'll,

01:38:22.620 did you think about

01:38:23.280 stopping eating Dragon

01:38:24.200 after you saw,

01:38:25.020 after you saw Hydrogen Dragon?

01:38:26.820 I will no longer eat

01:38:27.920 Free Range Dragon.

01:38:29.100 Are you eating

01:38:29.560 Free Range Dragon?

01:38:31.500 All right.

01:38:32.300 Cool.

01:38:32.680 That's it.

01:38:33.020 That's all we got.

01:38:33.720 Thank you again, James.

01:38:34.620 I really appreciate it, bro.

01:38:35.680 Thank you so much for helping you spread this message.

01:38:37.840 For sure.

01:38:38.300 We love you guys.

01:38:38.940 We'll see you next time.

01:38:39.700 Peace out, everybody.

01:38:40.440 Bye.

01:38:40.620 Bye.

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01:39:47.020 Listen to Black Lit from the Black Effect Podcast Network on our iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Impaulsive with Logan Paul - March 11, 2019

WARNING： JAMES ASPEY WILL MAKE YOU GO VEGAN - IMPAULSIVE EP. 47

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