John Bolton - March 25, 2025


Alberta separatism is organizing⧸unifying - is independence imminent？


Episode Stats

Length

18 minutes

Words per Minute

161.26294

Word Count

2,976

Sentence Count

210

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

Jeevan Mangat is the interim leader of the Wildrose Independence Party, an independent political party in Alberta. In this episode, Jeevan talks about why he believes Alberta should become an independent province, and why he thinks the federal government should leave Alberta.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John, and just before we get into the video today that you'd like to watch,
00:00:04.680 I think this is an important video for people who are interested in the separatist movement in
00:00:09.300 Alberta, but it's also important for people who are thinking of voting liberal in the upcoming
00:00:14.760 election. You seem to care about Canada a whole lot, and by voting liberal, you could be hurrying
00:00:20.780 along the destruction of your own country. I am a separatist. I'd like to see Alberta
00:00:26.080 separate from the country, but I certainly don't want to see my friends and family who don't
00:00:29.940 live in Alberta suffer, and I think you'll suffer if you vote in the liberals once again.
00:00:35.200 Let's get into today's video and meet our guest. Hi, it's John, and welcome to the channel. Great
00:00:40.400 to have you along today. What time is it? 4.03, Monday, March the 24th. Of course, got the big
00:00:45.640 blue mug of coffee as usual. It is the afternoon, and we've got a guest today. We'd like to welcome
00:00:50.940 Jeevan Mangat, the interim leader of the Wild Rose Independence Party. So great to have you here today.
00:00:57.160 It must be an exciting time here in Alberta for somebody who's the interim leader of an
00:01:01.880 independence party. It certainly is very exciting, and John, thank you for inviting me, and a pleasure
00:01:08.800 to be on your show. I've seen a couple of your YouTube shows, so they're always excellent.
00:01:15.720 Well, thank you so much, and if people would like to subscribe, that would be great. I'm almost at 17,000.
00:01:20.300 I almost went up 1,000 over the last day, but I want to ask you this right off the top.
00:01:27.220 I've been part of this a little bit over the years. I remember going to a meeting. It was in
00:01:33.040 North Calgary at a school. There must have been 1,000, 1,500 people there. I think at the time,
00:01:37.980 it was the Wexit Party. What happened after that was it seemed like there wasn't any cohesion
00:01:46.220 with the independence movement here in Alberta, and when I got contacted last week about getting
00:01:51.840 some correspondence, it was James who said, and he wrote, in discussion with other major
00:01:57.020 independence party in Alberta to unify the movement, which I went, boom, I need to talk
00:02:02.820 about this, and I'm wondering if it's because of the situation that's going on right now with
00:02:06.560 the federal government, the federal election, the liberals might get back in power, and Alberta,
00:02:11.040 well, the disrespect towards Alberta. Yeah, certainly. You're correct. There's a lot of
00:02:17.880 different independence parties, independence-minded people in Alberta, and historically, I've been
00:02:25.400 in Calgary since 1970, so I grew up in Alberta, so I'm really an Albertan. I identify myself as an
00:02:33.020 Albertan before I'm a Canadian, and historically, if you read Michael Wagner's books, you know, he
00:02:41.180 describes historically very well that the independence movement failed in the 70s and 80s when Pierre
00:02:48.780 Trudeau ruled the country, and his ultimate goal was just to take as much away from Alberta as possible,
00:02:56.300 and with the National Energy Program being introduced, and there was a splintering groups of
00:03:01.340 independent-minded parties, people, and it never galvanized into one strong movement, and even
00:03:09.660 though Gord Kessler was elected in 1982, MLA, and for the Western Canada Concept Party, which was an
00:03:17.740 independent party, and propagated Alberta independence, and even after that, you know, Albertans thought,
00:03:26.860 well, you know, Brian Mulroney is in, and we're much better in. Brian Mulroney introduced the
00:03:33.500 Western diversification program, gave money, but nothing happened. Alberta is a very unique province
00:03:42.300 in Canada because we are very entrepreneurial. We don't rely on government funding for our industries,
00:03:51.420 and we take major risks, like being in oil and gas is very risky, and the rewards are big.
00:03:58.780 If I can just jump in here, I moved here about 12 years ago, and Alberta is definitely different than
00:04:03.020 Ontario, where I came from. Can you, why do you think we need to be independent out here? I have a
00:04:09.820 one-word answer to that if anybody asks me about it, but why do you think so?
00:04:14.060 Okay, so there are many reasons, okay, from the fact that the Liberal Party, and even if the
00:04:22.940 Conservatives get in, nothing is done for Alberta. We have, so in my opinion, the three, four major
00:04:31.100 factors that we should be a country is equalization payments, okay. On the average, we have
00:04:41.180 transferred for the last 20 years, they're saying about $20 billion leave Alberta every year, okay.
00:04:47.900 And what's the net net result of that? We give the majority to Quebec and then to the Atlantic
00:04:54.300 provinces, but it has never created innovation in Quebec or an entrepreneurial spirit, okay. So
00:05:03.580 equalization payments. Then I'll get into supply management solely for the purpose of protecting
00:05:12.460 majority of Quebec dairy farmers and poultry, okay. And there's certainly Ontario as well. And
00:05:21.420 bilingualism, okay. According to me, bilingualism is the worst policy that we can have in this country.
00:05:31.580 Only 16% of Canadians are bilingual. And two thirds of them are francophones and anglophones, minority
00:05:41.100 anglophones from Quebec and the border that straddles Ontario and Quebec. So we've created this
00:05:47.340 bureaucracy that's filled in with Quebecois and the policies introduced are Quebec-centric
00:05:57.340 to keep them appeased. MPs come and go, but the bureaucracy remains in power.
00:06:05.020 I'm surprised you say bilingualism. I don't know whether you heard, but Mark Carney says he's not
00:06:09.660 going to participate in the French debate. I don't think his French is good enough.
00:06:13.900 How he can even run as prime minister, it amazes me, but that's what I've heard this afternoon.
00:06:19.100 He's not going to be in the French debate. Now, when people ask me about it, being from Ontario,
00:06:23.820 I say respect. Alberta never gets any respect and I think we're fed up and I think we're long past
00:06:30.380 waiting for respect. The premier has said a national unity issue is on the horizon and she's focusing
00:06:38.540 directly on Mark Carney and the Liberal Party if they get elected. She has endorsed Pierre Polyev.
00:06:43.900 She's made demands of the federal government for the most part about our oil and gas industry. She's
00:06:49.020 endorsed Polyev, as I said, and believe it or not, I'm going to put it up on the screen in post here,
00:06:53.660 but she's hinted at a referendum here. So did your ears just go up and say, boy, we've got to act now.
00:07:00.060 When are you looking to do this? I mean, you're a, I think a provincial party,
00:07:04.620 but are you trying to become advocates to try to get the people out there volunteering and get
00:07:09.500 the message out that we need a referendum and force the province to have a vote here?
00:07:15.740 Yes. Now we will certainly participate in a referendum if it comes to that and we will certainly
00:07:22.540 be very active and in promoting that, yes, we should be voting majority for the independence of
00:07:29.980 Alberta. Like you said, respect. And to me, respect equates to what, you know, what I described as
00:07:37.820 equalization payments, the supply management and valibus, and then the EEE Senate as well. It's not
00:07:45.740 there. So the referendum, in our opinion, right? Now, what I say is just think if our premier,
00:07:54.940 Danielle Smith would have introduced in the first year of her power, the police force,
00:08:02.620 the pension plan, and the tax agency, three extremely important institutions that we should
00:08:11.340 have in Alberta. Quebec has it. Yeah. Certe de Quebec, it's called. Yes. Ontario,
00:08:15.900 Ontario provincial police. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and they have a pension plan as well,
00:08:20.780 which I've looked into and anybody who doesn't want an Alberta pension plan,
00:08:24.060 you need to look into it because it'd be much better for Albertans for sure.
00:08:26.860 Yes. And, and just think if we had some of those institutions already in place,
00:08:33.660 that referendum would have become a little easier to sell because we would have been in control of
00:08:39.660 our institutions. We, my fear is right. The referendum can be introduced, but there is no room for
00:08:48.220 failure. Well, let me ask you this, how do you convince people? I mean, all right now it's,
00:08:52.540 you know, I call it faux Canadian patriotism. Everybody seems to be afraid of this 51st state
00:08:57.020 thing from Donald Trump. I did a video on this this morning. I said, the biggest threat isn't from
00:09:00.780 without it's from within Donald Trump's tariffs. That'll be straightened out. The liberals get in,
00:09:05.020 the whole country is likely to come apart. How do you convince people who are doing this ridiculous
00:09:09.420 elbows up thing right now about being Canadian? How do you convince them that they should vote for
00:09:14.300 separatism here in Alberta? Well, you know, those elbows up, they're already in Eastern Canada.
00:09:19.500 I haven't seen much in Alberta. I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you convince the people?
00:09:25.180 Okay. So John, I've talked to many, many strangers in coffee shops, on the street, wherever I can,
00:09:34.380 I've been to a couple of conferences. And there is a strong sentiment that Alberta should be independent.
00:09:44.860 I've come across very few people that say, you know what, we need to stay in Confederation.
00:09:52.220 And I'll give you an example. I participated in the 2023 provincial elections, and I ran in
00:09:58.860 Innisfil, Silver Lake. I stayed off social media because I just wanted to doorknock every day,
00:10:07.900 talk to people, express to them why I am supporting the Wild Rose Independence Party of Alberta,
00:10:14.700 and why I wish for independence. Okay. And I probably doorknock, we only had about a month
00:10:22.700 and I lived in Calgary, but I was traveling every day to Innisfil, and it's still a lake. I probably
00:10:27.740 doorknocked about five to six hundred doors. Okay. Out of that, there were six doors I encountered
00:10:38.620 that said, we're not boarding independence, we're Canada. Right, right. And I said, okay, can you
00:10:46.380 define Canada to me? What does it mean when you say we're Canada? Well, I mean, you, you
00:10:51.900 mentioned, you know, there's, we're always hearing that there's not a real taste for independence in
00:10:57.020 Alberta. Rachel Parker, who used to be on True North and is now an independent journalist,
00:11:01.660 did an independent poll the other day.
00:11:04.540 And almost 40% of Albertans say they would vote for independence right now. If that poll is correct,
00:11:11.500 and nobody's been out there. Being an advocate for this, you've got to wonder how far we get,
00:11:16.620 because I think what the rules are, basically a majority, and that's all you need with a clear
00:11:23.100 question. And then the rest of the country has to recognize Alberta as a separate entity. So how do you
00:11:29.900 feel about that? You obviously saw that poll. Yes, I, in fact, I listened to her YouTube video.
00:11:37.020 Follow her, follow her for sure. Yes, yes. And then when I saw that poll, I mean, I was pleased,
00:11:44.300 right? I want to get it up to 60, 70%. Right, right. And it's, it's, like I said, it's good to see that,
00:11:52.300 that a lot of people are thinking about this, because we need critical thinking. And, you know,
00:11:57.980 the people that I counted say, we're Canada, they can never define Canada to, you know,
00:12:02.540 they just put out, we're Canada. I don't want to, I don't want to go in too long. I want to get to
00:12:07.580 what your, your game plan is here. But are you, will things change if Polyev gets in? Or are you
00:12:13.420 still going to be on the same track, even if he wins the election on April 28? Okay, so I'll address
00:12:20.860 your question. I want to just finish off the first question. Yes. Okay, sure. We, the independence
00:12:26.140 movement, okay, like I said, it's, it's a lot of splintered parties. There will be a press release
00:12:32.140 coming out from the Wildrose Independence Party and the Independent Party of Alberta. Good. We're in
00:12:38.140 discussion how, you know, we have a lot of common grounds, we're discussion to see how we can further
00:12:43.660 the movement get more people under one umbrella. Okay, so that's an effective tool to discuss
00:12:51.100 independence amongst normal citizens. And when they see that we're gravitating towards one,
00:12:58.060 one movement, I think more people would gravitate towards us. Okay. And then the question about
00:13:03.740 period, and my answer always has been, you know, people say, you know, some, some say, well, the
00:13:09.020 conservatives will get in and then it'll be all right. I said, maybe, maybe, but you'll never
00:13:13.900 abolish equalization payments. You'll never abolish supply management. You'll never get triple E
00:13:20.140 Senate. And I said, the equal, I said, equalization payments. And the other factor was
00:13:27.340 bilingualism. Yeah, never. I said, that's, that's entrenched. And I said, after, after the
00:13:34.860 conservatives, the liberals are back in, I've seen it so many times, over and over. And I warned
00:13:40.780 people about a year and a half ago, I said, don't underestimate the liberal party. They have a plan.
00:13:46.460 I said, they want to win, they'll do anything. They'll do any, they'll make any decision to win.
00:13:52.700 And it's exactly, I said, they're great at campaign. Nobody can beat them.
00:13:57.180 When I was talking to people back, I think it was 2019, when I was at that meeting, I'll put a picture
00:14:01.580 up on the screen of the people that were there. There was discussion about perhaps Saskatchewan
00:14:05.900 being part of this as well. Northern BC as well is not too pleased with what goes on in the
00:14:11.020 legislature in British Columbia. Is there discussion with other provinces for this? Because there's
00:14:16.540 safety in numbers and certainly be much easier to get pipelines to the shore if we've got Northern BC
00:14:22.620 on board with the separatist movement. Yes. So we're not in discussion with any other province.
00:14:28.220 What I hear from people is, well, Lord, independence of Saskatchewan comes along.
00:14:33.100 My answer always is, it has to start somewhere. So once we start, others will gravitate towards us,
00:14:40.620 but we have to be the catalyst. We have to drive it.
00:14:45.340 So I don't know that you're aware of Jeffrey Rath. Jeffrey Rath, I think he's a lawyer here in
00:14:50.060 Alberta. He felt the wrath of a lot of people during Daniel Smith's diplomacy missions down to the
00:14:57.020 states while this tariff thing was going on. He went down there to talk about 51st state. Would you
00:15:01.900 be interested in the 51st state of the United States or is it all about Alberta independence for you?
00:15:09.260 It's all about Alberta because we in the Wildrose Independence Party, we're saying,
00:15:15.740 okay, we're going to leave one form of federalism. Why would we join another form?
00:15:21.340 Right. We want Albertans to control Alberta. Let's make our own constitution, our own bill of rights,
00:15:30.060 our own laws, and we can trade with anybody. So definitely it's Alberta as a country,
00:15:39.340 and hopefully Saskatchewan and BC come along later on.
00:15:42.380 Good stuff. How can people get involved? What would you suggest if people are interested
00:15:49.820 in helping out? I mean, I've already said on my channel, if the Liberals get in right off the bat,
00:15:55.340 I'm running out to help with this because I don't think there's a chance that Alberta will stick
00:15:58.940 around. And that's what I've been saying to people. If you want the country to break down,
00:16:05.420 it's going to break down if you vote Liberal a hell of a lot faster than if you vote
00:16:08.620 progressive conservative. How can people help with you?
00:16:11.340 Oh, you know what? Okay. So let me just make a comment about that. My opinion is we're not a
00:16:17.340 country. We are really five or six different regions. There's Atlantic Canada. We're economically and
00:16:23.980 culturally different in these regions. So there's Atlantic Canada, there's Quebec, then there's Ontario,
00:16:31.260 then there's the Prairie regions, and then there's BC, and then there's the north. So we're not really a
00:16:38.220 unitary country that people think we are. And to achieve independence, to have that paradigm shift,
00:16:45.340 I always say, people need to drink courage, and then you create that paradigm shift.
00:16:51.660 How if they want to become in contact with me, they can follow me on Twitter at rail underscore
00:16:58.940 wildrose. And then our website is wipalberta.com. So yeah, contacts listed there. And I can give you
00:17:11.980 well, if people can follow me on Twitter, they can always direct message me. I've made a lot of contacts
00:17:18.060 that way as well. And you know, if they prefer to contact on my general email is
00:17:25.180 Jeevan Calgary, J-E-E-V-A-N, Calgary at gmail.com.
00:17:31.580 Terrific, great chatting with you. I think the key is unification. That was the thing that got me thinking
00:17:38.860 about this again. Unification. I didn't know who to follow. I didn't know what group I was supposed
00:17:43.740 to follow. I know there's been some infighting, and hopefully that's all straightened out. But
00:17:46.860 unification is the number one thing you need to get this going.
00:17:50.860 Yes, and we are working towards that. We know that's paramount.
00:17:55.580 Fantastic. Listen, I'll be in touch. Just hold tight for just one second. And I'd like to thank you
00:18:00.940 very much for being on here. Good luck. It's going to be interesting to see what happens over the next
00:18:05.660 six months. The word separation is being thrown around, even by Nahed Nenshi. Referendum. He said
00:18:11.180 it. He was the leader of the NDP the other day. Couldn't believe that happened. But he actually said
00:18:15.740 it as well. Thanks a lot for watching. If you like this video, please subscribe to the channel. Ring
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