John Bolton - Alberta separatism is organizing⧸unifying - is independence imminent？

00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John, and just before we get into the video today that you'd like to watch,

00:00:04.680 I think this is an important video for people who are interested in the separatist movement in

00:00:09.300 Alberta, but it's also important for people who are thinking of voting liberal in the upcoming

00:00:14.760 election. You seem to care about Canada a whole lot, and by voting liberal, you could be hurrying

00:00:20.780 along the destruction of your own country. I am a separatist. I'd like to see Alberta

00:00:26.080 separate from the country, but I certainly don't want to see my friends and family who don't

00:00:29.940 live in Alberta suffer, and I think you'll suffer if you vote in the liberals once again.

00:00:35.200 Let's get into today's video and meet our guest. Hi, it's John, and welcome to the channel. Great

00:00:40.400 to have you along today. What time is it? 4.03, Monday, March the 24th. Of course, got the big

00:00:45.640 blue mug of coffee as usual. It is the afternoon, and we've got a guest today. We'd like to welcome

00:00:50.940 Jeevan Mangat, the interim leader of the Wild Rose Independence Party. So great to have you here today.

00:00:57.160 It must be an exciting time here in Alberta for somebody who's the interim leader of an

00:01:01.880 independence party. It certainly is very exciting, and John, thank you for inviting me, and a pleasure

00:01:08.800 to be on your show. I've seen a couple of your YouTube shows, so they're always excellent.

00:01:15.720 Well, thank you so much, and if people would like to subscribe, that would be great. I'm almost at 17,000.

00:01:20.300 I almost went up 1,000 over the last day, but I want to ask you this right off the top.

00:01:27.220 I've been part of this a little bit over the years. I remember going to a meeting. It was in

00:01:33.040 North Calgary at a school. There must have been 1,000, 1,500 people there. I think at the time,

00:01:37.980 it was the Wexit Party. What happened after that was it seemed like there wasn't any cohesion

00:01:46.220 with the independence movement here in Alberta, and when I got contacted last week about getting

00:01:51.840 some correspondence, it was James who said, and he wrote, in discussion with other major

00:01:57.020 independence party in Alberta to unify the movement, which I went, boom, I need to talk

00:02:02.820 about this, and I'm wondering if it's because of the situation that's going on right now with

00:02:06.560 the federal government, the federal election, the liberals might get back in power, and Alberta,

00:02:11.040 well, the disrespect towards Alberta. Yeah, certainly. You're correct. There's a lot of

00:02:17.880 different independence parties, independence-minded people in Alberta, and historically, I've been

00:02:25.400 in Calgary since 1970, so I grew up in Alberta, so I'm really an Albertan. I identify myself as an

00:02:33.020 Albertan before I'm a Canadian, and historically, if you read Michael Wagner's books, you know, he

00:02:41.180 describes historically very well that the independence movement failed in the 70s and 80s when Pierre

00:02:48.780 Trudeau ruled the country, and his ultimate goal was just to take as much away from Alberta as possible,

00:02:56.300 and with the National Energy Program being introduced, and there was a splintering groups of

00:03:01.340 independent-minded parties, people, and it never galvanized into one strong movement, and even

00:03:09.660 though Gord Kessler was elected in 1982, MLA, and for the Western Canada Concept Party, which was an

00:03:17.740 independent party, and propagated Alberta independence, and even after that, you know, Albertans thought,

00:03:26.860 well, you know, Brian Mulroney is in, and we're much better in. Brian Mulroney introduced the

00:03:33.500 Western diversification program, gave money, but nothing happened. Alberta is a very unique province

00:03:42.300 in Canada because we are very entrepreneurial. We don't rely on government funding for our industries,

00:03:51.420 and we take major risks, like being in oil and gas is very risky, and the rewards are big.

00:03:58.780 If I can just jump in here, I moved here about 12 years ago, and Alberta is definitely different than

00:04:03.020 Ontario, where I came from. Can you, why do you think we need to be independent out here? I have a

00:04:09.820 one-word answer to that if anybody asks me about it, but why do you think so?

00:04:14.060 Okay, so there are many reasons, okay, from the fact that the Liberal Party, and even if the

00:04:22.940 Conservatives get in, nothing is done for Alberta. We have, so in my opinion, the three, four major

00:04:31.100 factors that we should be a country is equalization payments, okay. On the average, we have

00:04:41.180 transferred for the last 20 years, they're saying about $20 billion leave Alberta every year, okay.

00:04:47.900 And what's the net net result of that? We give the majority to Quebec and then to the Atlantic

00:04:54.300 provinces, but it has never created innovation in Quebec or an entrepreneurial spirit, okay. So

00:05:03.580 equalization payments. Then I'll get into supply management solely for the purpose of protecting

00:05:12.460 majority of Quebec dairy farmers and poultry, okay. And there's certainly Ontario as well. And

00:05:21.420 bilingualism, okay. According to me, bilingualism is the worst policy that we can have in this country. 1.00

00:05:31.580 Only 16% of Canadians are bilingual. And two thirds of them are francophones and anglophones, minority

00:05:41.100 anglophones from Quebec and the border that straddles Ontario and Quebec. So we've created this

00:05:47.340 bureaucracy that's filled in with Quebecois and the policies introduced are Quebec-centric

00:05:57.340 to keep them appeased. MPs come and go, but the bureaucracy remains in power.

00:06:05.020 I'm surprised you say bilingualism. I don't know whether you heard, but Mark Carney says he's not

00:06:09.660 going to participate in the French debate. I don't think his French is good enough.

00:06:13.900 How he can even run as prime minister, it amazes me, but that's what I've heard this afternoon.

00:06:19.100 He's not going to be in the French debate. Now, when people ask me about it, being from Ontario,

00:06:23.820 I say respect. Alberta never gets any respect and I think we're fed up and I think we're long past

00:06:30.380 waiting for respect. The premier has said a national unity issue is on the horizon and she's focusing

00:06:38.540 directly on Mark Carney and the Liberal Party if they get elected. She has endorsed Pierre Polyev.

00:06:43.900 She's made demands of the federal government for the most part about our oil and gas industry. She's

00:06:49.020 endorsed Polyev, as I said, and believe it or not, I'm going to put it up on the screen in post here,

00:06:53.660 but she's hinted at a referendum here. So did your ears just go up and say, boy, we've got to act now.

00:07:00.060 When are you looking to do this? I mean, you're a, I think a provincial party,

00:07:04.620 but are you trying to become advocates to try to get the people out there volunteering and get

00:07:09.500 the message out that we need a referendum and force the province to have a vote here?

00:07:15.740 Yes. Now we will certainly participate in a referendum if it comes to that and we will certainly

00:07:22.540 be very active and in promoting that, yes, we should be voting majority for the independence of

00:07:29.980 Alberta. Like you said, respect. And to me, respect equates to what, you know, what I described as

00:07:37.820 equalization payments, the supply management and valibus, and then the EEE Senate as well. It's not

00:07:45.740 there. So the referendum, in our opinion, right? Now, what I say is just think if our premier,

00:07:54.940 Danielle Smith would have introduced in the first year of her power, the police force,

00:08:02.620 the pension plan, and the tax agency, three extremely important institutions that we should

00:08:11.340 have in Alberta. Quebec has it. Yeah. Certe de Quebec, it's called. Yes. Ontario,

00:08:15.900 Ontario provincial police. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and they have a pension plan as well,

00:08:20.780 which I've looked into and anybody who doesn't want an Alberta pension plan,

00:08:24.060 you need to look into it because it'd be much better for Albertans for sure.

00:08:26.860 Yes. And, and just think if we had some of those institutions already in place,

00:08:33.660 that referendum would have become a little easier to sell because we would have been in control of

00:08:39.660 our institutions. We, my fear is right. The referendum can be introduced, but there is no room for

00:08:48.220 failure. Well, let me ask you this, how do you convince people? I mean, all right now it's,

00:08:52.540 you know, I call it faux Canadian patriotism. Everybody seems to be afraid of this 51st state

00:08:57.020 thing from Donald Trump. I did a video on this this morning. I said, the biggest threat isn't from

00:09:00.780 without it's from within Donald Trump's tariffs. That'll be straightened out. The liberals get in,

00:09:05.020 the whole country is likely to come apart. How do you convince people who are doing this ridiculous 0.97

00:09:09.420 elbows up thing right now about being Canadian? How do you convince them that they should vote for 0.87

00:09:14.300 separatism here in Alberta? Well, you know, those elbows up, they're already in Eastern Canada.

00:09:19.500 I haven't seen much in Alberta. I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you convince the people?

00:09:25.180 Okay. So John, I've talked to many, many strangers in coffee shops, on the street, wherever I can,

00:09:34.380 I've been to a couple of conferences. And there is a strong sentiment that Alberta should be independent.

00:09:44.860 I've come across very few people that say, you know what, we need to stay in Confederation.

00:09:52.220 And I'll give you an example. I participated in the 2023 provincial elections, and I ran in

00:09:58.860 Innisfil, Silver Lake. I stayed off social media because I just wanted to doorknock every day,

00:10:07.900 talk to people, express to them why I am supporting the Wild Rose Independence Party of Alberta,

00:10:14.700 and why I wish for independence. Okay. And I probably doorknock, we only had about a month

00:10:22.700 and I lived in Calgary, but I was traveling every day to Innisfil, and it's still a lake. I probably

00:10:27.740 doorknocked about five to six hundred doors. Okay. Out of that, there were six doors I encountered

00:10:38.620 that said, we're not boarding independence, we're Canada. Right, right. And I said, okay, can you

00:10:46.380 define Canada to me? What does it mean when you say we're Canada? Well, I mean, you, you

00:10:51.900 mentioned, you know, there's, we're always hearing that there's not a real taste for independence in

00:10:57.020 Alberta. Rachel Parker, who used to be on True North and is now an independent journalist,

00:11:01.660 did an independent poll the other day.

00:11:04.540 And almost 40% of Albertans say they would vote for independence right now. If that poll is correct, 0.99

00:11:11.500 and nobody's been out there. Being an advocate for this, you've got to wonder how far we get,

00:11:16.620 because I think what the rules are, basically a majority, and that's all you need with a clear

00:11:23.100 question. And then the rest of the country has to recognize Alberta as a separate entity. So how do you

00:11:29.900 feel about that? You obviously saw that poll. Yes, I, in fact, I listened to her YouTube video.

00:11:37.020 Follow her, follow her for sure. Yes, yes. And then when I saw that poll, I mean, I was pleased,

00:11:44.300 right? I want to get it up to 60, 70%. Right, right. And it's, it's, like I said, it's good to see that,

00:11:52.300 that a lot of people are thinking about this, because we need critical thinking. And, you know,

00:11:57.980 the people that I counted say, we're Canada, they can never define Canada to, you know,

00:12:02.540 they just put out, we're Canada. I don't want to, I don't want to go in too long. I want to get to

00:12:07.580 what your, your game plan is here. But are you, will things change if Polyev gets in? Or are you

00:12:13.420 still going to be on the same track, even if he wins the election on April 28? Okay, so I'll address

00:12:20.860 your question. I want to just finish off the first question. Yes. Okay, sure. We, the independence

00:12:26.140 movement, okay, like I said, it's, it's a lot of splintered parties. There will be a press release

00:12:32.140 coming out from the Wildrose Independence Party and the Independent Party of Alberta. Good. We're in

00:12:38.140 discussion how, you know, we have a lot of common grounds, we're discussion to see how we can further

00:12:43.660 the movement get more people under one umbrella. Okay, so that's an effective tool to discuss

00:12:51.100 independence amongst normal citizens. And when they see that we're gravitating towards one,

00:12:58.060 one movement, I think more people would gravitate towards us. Okay. And then the question about

00:13:03.740 period, and my answer always has been, you know, people say, you know, some, some say, well, the

00:13:09.020 conservatives will get in and then it'll be all right. I said, maybe, maybe, but you'll never

00:13:13.900 abolish equalization payments. You'll never abolish supply management. You'll never get triple E

00:13:20.140 Senate. And I said, the equal, I said, equalization payments. And the other factor was

00:13:27.340 bilingualism. Yeah, never. I said, that's, that's entrenched. And I said, after, after the 1.00

00:13:34.860 conservatives, the liberals are back in, I've seen it so many times, over and over. And I warned

00:13:40.780 people about a year and a half ago, I said, don't underestimate the liberal party. They have a plan.

00:13:46.460 I said, they want to win, they'll do anything. They'll do any, they'll make any decision to win.

00:13:52.700 And it's exactly, I said, they're great at campaign. Nobody can beat them.

00:13:57.180 When I was talking to people back, I think it was 2019, when I was at that meeting, I'll put a picture

00:14:01.580 up on the screen of the people that were there. There was discussion about perhaps Saskatchewan

00:14:05.900 being part of this as well. Northern BC as well is not too pleased with what goes on in the

00:14:11.020 legislature in British Columbia. Is there discussion with other provinces for this? Because there's

00:14:16.540 safety in numbers and certainly be much easier to get pipelines to the shore if we've got Northern BC

00:14:22.620 on board with the separatist movement. Yes. So we're not in discussion with any other province.

00:14:28.220 What I hear from people is, well, Lord, independence of Saskatchewan comes along.

00:14:33.100 My answer always is, it has to start somewhere. So once we start, others will gravitate towards us,

00:14:40.620 but we have to be the catalyst. We have to drive it.

00:14:45.340 So I don't know that you're aware of Jeffrey Rath. Jeffrey Rath, I think he's a lawyer here in

00:14:50.060 Alberta. He felt the wrath of a lot of people during Daniel Smith's diplomacy missions down to the

00:14:57.020 states while this tariff thing was going on. He went down there to talk about 51st state. Would you

00:15:01.900 be interested in the 51st state of the United States or is it all about Alberta independence for you?

00:15:09.260 It's all about Alberta because we in the Wildrose Independence Party, we're saying,

00:15:15.740 okay, we're going to leave one form of federalism. Why would we join another form?

00:15:21.340 Right. We want Albertans to control Alberta. Let's make our own constitution, our own bill of rights, 1.00

00:15:30.060 our own laws, and we can trade with anybody. So definitely it's Alberta as a country,

00:15:39.340 and hopefully Saskatchewan and BC come along later on.

00:15:42.380 Good stuff. How can people get involved? What would you suggest if people are interested

00:15:49.820 in helping out? I mean, I've already said on my channel, if the Liberals get in right off the bat,

00:15:55.340 I'm running out to help with this because I don't think there's a chance that Alberta will stick 0.97

00:15:58.940 around. And that's what I've been saying to people. If you want the country to break down,

00:16:05.420 it's going to break down if you vote Liberal a hell of a lot faster than if you vote

00:16:08.620 progressive conservative. How can people help with you?

00:16:11.340 Oh, you know what? Okay. So let me just make a comment about that. My opinion is we're not a

00:16:17.340 country. We are really five or six different regions. There's Atlantic Canada. We're economically and

00:16:23.980 culturally different in these regions. So there's Atlantic Canada, there's Quebec, then there's Ontario,

00:16:31.260 then there's the Prairie regions, and then there's BC, and then there's the north. So we're not really a

00:16:38.220 unitary country that people think we are. And to achieve independence, to have that paradigm shift,

00:16:45.340 I always say, people need to drink courage, and then you create that paradigm shift.

00:16:51.660 How if they want to become in contact with me, they can follow me on Twitter at rail underscore

00:16:58.940 wildrose. And then our website is wipalberta.com. So yeah, contacts listed there. And I can give you

00:17:11.980 well, if people can follow me on Twitter, they can always direct message me. I've made a lot of contacts

00:17:18.060 that way as well. And you know, if they prefer to contact on my general email is

00:17:25.180 Jeevan Calgary, J-E-E-V-A-N, Calgary at gmail.com.

00:17:31.580 Terrific, great chatting with you. I think the key is unification. That was the thing that got me thinking

00:17:38.860 about this again. Unification. I didn't know who to follow. I didn't know what group I was supposed

00:17:43.740 to follow. I know there's been some infighting, and hopefully that's all straightened out. But

00:17:46.860 unification is the number one thing you need to get this going.

00:17:50.860 Yes, and we are working towards that. We know that's paramount.

00:17:55.580 Fantastic. Listen, I'll be in touch. Just hold tight for just one second. And I'd like to thank you

00:18:00.940 very much for being on here. Good luck. It's going to be interesting to see what happens over the next

00:18:05.660 six months. The word separation is being thrown around, even by Nahed Nenshi. Referendum. He said

00:18:11.180 it. He was the leader of the NDP the other day. Couldn't believe that happened. But he actually said

00:18:15.740 it as well. Thanks a lot for watching. If you like this video, please subscribe to the channel. Ring

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John Bolton - March 25, 2025

Alberta separatism is organizing⧸unifying - is independence imminent？

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