00:00:00.000Hi, it's John Bolton and welcome. Great to have you here tonight. I have to say this is
00:00:07.020something new for me. I've never done a live stream before, but it's not my live stream. I'm
00:00:12.600kind of the nuts and bolts guy here tonight. We've got a fantastic guest you're going to love
00:00:18.020to hear about. We're going to talk a lot about unity. We're going to talk about Canada. I think
00:00:22.560maybe how Alberta maybe fits into this as well. I don't, maybe even Donald Trump will be brought
00:00:26.780up tonight. Who knows? But it's going to be a fantastic discussion here tonight. Now, this is
00:00:32.400part of a series of different interviews being done on my channel tonight. It'll be on other
00:00:38.420channels in the future, but also on the Alberta Women's Independent Network X and Facebook sites
00:00:44.960as well. And it's called their Alberta United, the Collaborative Vision Series. And my partner
00:00:51.220in crime tonight, helping out and asking a bunch of questions, Angela Tabak, co-founder of the
00:00:56.700Women's Independence Network. First off, Angela, thanks for inviting me to do a little bit of this.
00:01:02.200I think this is going to be a fascinating discussion, and we want people to get involved
00:01:05.560as well. If you've got a question and you'd like to ask it, by all means do that, and we'll try to
00:01:09.820fit it into the discussion tonight with our guest, who we'll introduce in just a moment. Tell me,
00:01:14.940what is the Alberta Women's Independent Network? Give us the background on that.
00:01:19.420Well, first off, John, I want to thank you so much for being involved in this.
00:01:22.800The Alberta Women's Independence Network is a group that we put together about a little over a year ago, and our whole intention is to engage women, although we do have a lot of men that attend our meetings, but to engage women who maybe historically in the past have not been involved politically or not really involved in the conversation that needs to be had around the state of Canada, around Alberta independence, and kind of what our options are.
00:01:52.800So what we do is we focus on smaller meetings, maybe in someone's home, maybe at a local restaurant, and just having more one-on-one type conversations.
00:02:06.060We have these wonderful organizations throughout the province that are doing, you know, large town halls and stuff, but that's not for everybody.
00:02:13.360And so our focus has really been on getting those folks who would rather have the one-on-one conversation.
00:02:19.080And so the whole reason why we came up with this idea of this Alberta United, this speaker series, is because we keep hearing the same questions over and over again.
00:02:31.220What could an independent Alberta look like? What do we do to ensure that if we are going through the work of creating something like an independent Alberta, how do we ensure that we're different from what we're leaving?
00:02:45.800that we're actually solving problems, not just changing venues, if that makes sense.
00:02:51.240No, I think that does. And we've been talking to our guest tonight prior to going live here. And
00:02:57.300I think he certainly does want to solve problems. And I don't think there's enough of that in the
00:03:04.360world right now. And if you live in Canada, I think that may be the case for sure. Why don't
00:03:09.320we introduce our guest tonight? I know you've spoken to our guest before. I'm meeting him for
00:03:13.800the first time tonight. An impressive man for sure. Retired Lieutenant Colonel David Redmond.
00:03:20.040We asked him prior to going live, what should we refer to you as, Lieutenant Colonel? He said,
00:03:26.120call us Dave. So let's bring him in and introduce him to everybody here. And we'd like to thank you
00:03:31.020for being here. Dave, we really appreciate it. We're looking forward to talking to you tonight
00:03:35.500and talk about unity and all the things that are involved with unity when it comes to the country
00:03:39.900and maybe maybe the state of canada for sure right now thank you for being here
00:03:44.520thank you for having me and i i really appreciate it don't have your microphone
00:03:49.140are you hearing him john i'm not hearing him no are you hearing me angela i'm hearing you dave
00:03:58.120yeah i can hear you odd all right dave let's have you let's have you kind of introduce yourself
00:04:06.380um and we'll come back you're at the audio you're back okay good no no i'll come back i'll just
00:04:11.840re i'll re-log in just one second okay sounds good yeah dave why don't you go ahead and introduce
00:04:16.020yourself and and we'll kind of get into why we wanted you as our very first guest on this series
00:04:21.560so thanks angela and and to kathy in the background um i spent 27 years in canadian
00:04:30.040army i joined in 1972 and and with my family we lived all over the world and but more importantly
00:04:36.920we lived all across canada so we met canadians in every walk of life all across our country and
00:04:43.640as an officer in the army so many canadians all through the 70s 80s and 90s joined the army and
00:04:50.520i got to meet fabulous young canadians from every corner of our country and so i got to listen to
00:04:57.320where they were from what they were proud of and and all the things that came together
00:05:01.800when i left the army in 1999 i ended up working for the government of alberta in emergency
00:05:07.240management alberta and i got to know the wonderful people of alberta north south east and west
00:05:12.920my first job was in municipal affairs running support to municipalities in times of emergency
00:05:20.040so i got to meet all the mayors and reeves across 314 communities in alberta and so got to know
00:05:26.280again the canadians that live in alberta and all of their emotions and feelings and what was going
00:05:31.960on then unfortunately september the 11th happened and i lost that super job and i became the director
00:05:37.560of counterterrorism working on both sides of our border for two years before i took over all of
00:05:43.560vma but again learning then our neighbors to the south our interrelationships and how we all work
00:05:50.520together uh through really terrible times so because of that background uh what i saw happening
00:05:58.840in our country canada was that our country was fragmenting and and being pulled apart
00:06:06.120and all the canadians i knew that still lived all across the country talked to me a lot and said
00:06:12.040there's something going on and it's not right and so i went back to some of my earliest training
00:06:18.840when we were always taught as an officer to present a vision and so what i wrote in 2024 was
00:06:26.840a paper uh which which you referred to when you were posting that the video which is based on a
00:06:33.16025-year vision for our country and trying to encourage politicians not to go for the minute
00:06:39.880to minute to try and present to the people of our country a 25-year vision that would pull all
00:06:47.000decisions and all information forward but i didn't do it for them i did it for citizens i wrote the
00:06:54.040paper for the citizens of our country and the reason i based it on the six national interests
00:06:59.080that define any country is to arm citizens with the words they need to demand more from their
00:07:06.440politicians i think it's the name of the document that you're referring to is called canada 2024
00:07:13.800a confident, resilient nation or a fearful, fractured country. I think it's fascinating
00:07:19.400and a really great time to talk about this. You said you wrote it in 2024 and we can go back just
00:07:26.260a short time in history. That was about 10 months before Justin Trudeau walked out on January the
00:07:34.5006th of that year and resigned. And it's a year to the month that Mark Carney won the liberal
00:07:39.500leadership and he became the prime minister of the country and it's going to be fascinating to hear
00:07:44.940what you think the differences between 2024 the years of trudeau and whether we've gained any
00:07:50.780unity here in canada uh since mark carney is in and he is now the prime minister and of course
00:07:55.580was elected on april the 28th so maybe you can frame the discussion here a little for us and we
00:08:01.020can get the nuts and bolts of what's going on here and then we can have a discussion about your paper
00:08:05.340and uh and your thoughts on this absolutely so if you'll just give me a sec i'm going to uh
00:08:13.180share my screen and just give a little bit of a background okay
00:08:22.860so are we good can you see that sure can all right so so i explain a 25-year vision and
00:08:30.860the 25-year vision needs to be built on the national interests that define a country and
00:08:36.380i want to be very clear national interests are the same no matter whether you live in a totalitarian
00:08:41.260dictatorship or a free and open democracy it's how you define the six national interests that
00:08:48.620defines your country but what are they based on national interests all six of them are defined
00:08:57.100by the ethics and values of the citizens and so when i hear a politician let's use trudeau as a
00:09:04.140first example who says we're living in a post-nationalist state that says to me he doesn't
00:09:10.940believe that the citizens of his country are distinct and different and that their ethics
00:09:15.820and values are not important that they are just a blob that that exists in the world
00:09:23.340the national interests are the core definition of that 25-year vision and so for citizens to
00:09:30.920engage their government whether it's municipal government provincial territorial government or
00:09:36.680federal government they need to have the words to have serious and meaningful discussion and that's
00:09:43.660why i framed the national interest and then broke the national interest into a whole series of sub
00:09:49.180bullets to arm citizens with the words that they then form into their idea of the national interest
00:09:58.680and have meaningful discussions with politicians at every order of government. Those national
00:10:05.320interests and that 25-year vision then are the benchmark for all decisions at every order of
00:10:11.780government, internal and external to our country, for the political leadership because they're based
00:10:17.620on the wishes of their citizens and they know that the vision that they built is one that's
00:10:23.780shared across the entire nation now you're always going for the 80 solution never the 100 solution
00:10:31.460so when I say across the entire nations there are pieces that will be different and pieces that will
00:10:36.180grow and things that evolve and so when you build that 25 year vision it's an iterative process and
00:10:42.180every five years you update it but you never move away from the six national interests and you can
00:10:48.820simply redefine small pieces as you grow without the national interest you see exactly what's
00:10:55.460happened in our country for the past 11 years and i see no difference between the previous
00:11:00.340government and the current government in the fact that they have no vision for our country that is
00:11:06.980longer than one year or their term in government and i mean at every order of government municipal
00:11:12.900provincial territorial and federal and so you need those interests to define and link your whole
00:11:19.140discussions and decision making but they also define then how your nation interacts with other
00:11:25.620nations and in particular your allies and partners and we see that falling apart when you have a
00:11:32.100prime minister who at the start of a one-year term says china is the biggest threat to our country
00:11:38.100and he's right and one year later says china is our new strategic national partner and he's wrong1.00
00:11:45.380there's no linkage and there's no way that our neighbors and allies can understand
00:11:51.940so what are the six national interests there they are on your screen unity national security good
00:11:58.900governance rights and freedoms economic prosperity and growth and personal and community and well
00:12:04.500being and people struggle what i mean about personal and community will be it's clearly
00:12:08.820defined in the paper and and in other countries that's when you're talking about your health care
00:12:13.780system most importantly your education and training system in your country all the pieces
00:12:19.220that make up your social fabric those six define every country in the world and if you saw donald
00:12:26.820trump's national security strategy he used those six national interests at the start of the paper
00:12:34.260on his national security strategy to link national security strategy to all six the six don't exist
00:12:42.580in isolation they're constantly linked and each one impacts on the other because you can't have
00:12:49.300national security without economic prosperity and growth you can't have any of it without
00:12:53.860good governance they all are interlinked and unity pervades through them all but i put it to you and
00:13:02.020the basic definition of a country is when a group of people who share common ethics and values
00:13:08.660band together in a defined geographic region which they are prepared to defend
00:13:14.580that's the definition of a country so unity and national security are overarching without unity
00:13:21.060and national security the other four can't exist and so when we get into our discussions i'll
00:13:26.660always come back to unity is a cornerstone with national security and the others change and vary
00:13:33.780but the first two define a country so let's talk about unity and i'm going to have two slides here
00:13:41.460because unity first of all is the common shared values ethics and beliefs of the citizens of a
00:13:47.860a country and I hear lots of talk that the values ethics and beliefs are different all across Canada
00:13:53.360and I put it to that I disagree and it's my life experience having lived all across the country1.00
00:14:00.040and having seen soldiers all across the country that I hope it's still true right and and we'll
00:14:06.980get into that discussion I think a lot tonight but the unity is the cornerstone to define a
00:14:13.460group as a nation because without that unity why would those people come together in the first
00:14:17.460place and we can talk about the history of our country and why we came together and why in my
00:14:22.500opinion we should stick together but in in the the alberta women's independence network why alberta
00:14:29.060should come together but only if you can have unity in the province as well before you start
00:14:34.740down that path right they're unique unity is unique in every country in the world and any
00:14:42.180leader of our country that says canada doesn't have unique unity doesn't know the history of
00:14:47.860their own country and doesn't know the people that make up their country you can have diversity
00:14:54.180of backgrounds and i hear this discussion all the time people come from many walks of life but you
00:14:58.900can't have diversity of the basic values ethics and belief and that's the cornerstone of unity
00:15:07.700you have to share the same values ethics and beliefs and we're going to get into that i think
00:15:11.780tonight in a lot of detail but i always use switzerland as the example you have the swiss
00:15:18.420the germans and the italians who can't be more diverse when you talk about that their basic
00:15:24.740backgrounds but they share common values and beliefs right and so we need to have that
00:15:31.380discussion in our country whether it's canada or alberta or what the future brings but the leaders
00:15:38.180must be personally ready to constantly defend unity and always have confidence in the unity
00:15:45.620and build unity and never ever use the tools that use fear and break a country into smaller groups
00:15:54.500so we'll have a discussion about multiculturalism and all those other tools uh probably tonight
00:16:00.820let's talk about what what i believe are the common ethics values and beliefs our country was
00:16:05.700built on respect respect being the judeo-christian value do unto others as you would have them to0.97
00:16:12.260unto you and so we must only have an immigration system that brings people to our country that
00:16:19.140have that same type of respect now when i put respect i also include the franco-anglo heritage
00:16:26.100and i've heard that about the fact that we've been fighting since the time was canada was the first
00:16:31.060country in the world where the french and english stopped killing each other and decided to find a
00:16:37.380way to work together just enough that they could have their shared values and move forward to stop
00:16:44.980threats towards their ground remember national security being the number two and i i hear lots
00:16:52.500of discussions around that but there were still wars going on all over the world between the
00:16:57.060french and english and they weren't in canada individual responsibility and resilience and this
00:17:03.380my heritage and and i'm sure most of the people's heritage that are watching tonight
00:17:08.500we all came here from somewhere and i include the first nations but we all have this strong belief
00:17:14.580that we are accountable for ourselves and that government isn't there to take care of us
00:17:21.620and helicopter parenting and bulldozer parenting i'm sure we'll have that discussion tonight have
00:17:26.260pulled apart some of that individual responsibility but that's got to be a cornerstone of our country
00:17:32.500for all time we believe in rights and freedoms so that's a massive difference from other countries
00:17:38.980that share the same principles of six national interests that don't believe there are rights and
00:17:44.420freedoms and a huge pride in our unique democracy there is no country in the world that has the
00:17:50.420history of canada we're a northern nation with an extreme environment where we banded together
00:17:56.020in groups to survive our elements, but as well grew as a nation step by step. And we just celebrated
00:18:03.740the anniversary of Vimy Ridge, where many people say Canada came as a nation. As I told folks
00:18:09.660before, my grandfather and all my great uncles fought at Vimy Ridge, and many of them are still
00:18:15.540there. Compassion. We believe in compassion. We don't believe in ridiculous compassion. We believe
00:18:22.160in compassion for our neighbors and other nations when it is in the full national interest and 25
00:18:28.400year vision of our country equality anyone who wants to come and join our country and be part
00:18:34.800of our unity has to believe in equality notice i didn't say equity i said equality in particular
00:18:42.240for women canada was one of the first countries in the world that gave women the right to vote
00:18:47.520and i'm strong believer that equality is a fundamental belief of all canadians
00:18:54.480finally international standing we believe our country has a role to play in the world
00:19:00.240and we've watched how it's been expressed by different politicians at the at every level of
00:19:05.840government from municipal provincial territorial and federal but we have to be a reliable ally
00:19:12.080and the only way to be a reliable ally is to be a unified country so i'm gonna pop out of this
00:19:18.800that's just the framework to start a discussion and so if you can in the background take my sharing
00:19:26.960away yep looks good looks good outstanding okay so that's just the framework that's fantastic so
00:19:37.600a lot of people are commenting we've got people here thanks for being here tonight they're
00:19:41.040skeptical of what you're saying right now but i think i think you need to understand i've read
00:19:45.520i've read the document that dave put together and you're going to hear some interesting things
00:19:50.320tonight so stick with us because there are a lot of people skeptical saying the east west don't
00:19:55.040people are talking or talking about this in the chat right now dave from an east west perspective
00:20:00.560and certainly they're they don't see there's a lot of unity here but i want to i want to kind
00:20:04.480of play devil's advocate with you right off the top here is it kind of a a pie in the sky um
00:20:13.360a pie in the sky um belief that we can have a 25 year vision here i mean i'm i'm 61 years old i
00:20:19.840don't recall the government ever thinking 25 years out and and having a plan for you know children
00:20:26.320and grandchildren down the way okay so that's a great place to start in 1975 uh i was in my third
00:20:34.080year of the royal military college of canada and a compulsory course for every officer who
00:20:40.960was going to go forward and command troops in that in our army at that time was required to
00:20:47.680know the six national interests and the definition of them and there was a half semester course a
00:20:52.800half year course that we took in 1965 we had a process that defined the national interest
00:21:00.720and kept them alive and had a vision for our country i put it you that died in 1968
00:21:07.760and for those of you who aren't old enough that was when pierre elliot trudeau was elected but
00:21:12.800we had a process that did that review constantly and i was taught them and the reason i was taught
00:21:20.240them is as an officer i knew i was going to be serving all over the world and whenever i met
00:21:24.880with people from other countries they wanted to know about canada and i was able to have a
00:21:29.520intelligent conversation with them based on the six national interests and the definition of them
00:21:33.840and we used to have white papers on each of the six national interests and we used to have
00:21:39.760white papers on sub elements of the six national interests one of those white papers i was taught
00:21:46.160in the second half of that year which was the white paper on national defense which clearly
00:21:50.880defined the purpose for an armed forces of canada army navy and air force and all the sub pieces
00:21:56.720and i had to know them all but we used to have up until 1965 a regular recurring discussion about a
00:22:05.520vision for our country and it when if you read the paper you'll see that i start off with
00:22:12.240um in 1967 and the mission that we had for our country it's because everybody knew it and talked
00:22:18.640about it so yes i believe we can i think we need to spend the time to reinvest and it's got to be
00:22:27.200citizen up demanding it well you talk in your paper and you said that right now we've gone
00:22:33.360through two generations who want a i think you put it as a risk-free world um and now government
00:22:39.140seems to be raising them if we can go back to that i mean it's you know we're going back 60 years now
00:22:44.560um once you do that once you do that and you you have the government raising people are we not
00:22:51.280we're certainly down up um what's the word i'm looking for here it's a slippery slope prophecy
00:22:59.520well yeah and it's a very slippery slope and you've got two generations that have been brought
00:23:03.440up this way and then you know it's hard it's hard to stop that you're absolutely correct it's very
00:23:08.320hard and so so in the paper i i describe it uh and there's been lots of studies on it started
00:23:14.480with 70 1975 to uh to 1995 20 years of what when we first started we all joked about helicopter
00:23:21.920parenting and that's where a parent would would see their child in a in a difficult situation
00:23:28.160and they would pluck their child out of that situation and those children became completely
00:23:35.600reliant on someone else to solve all the risk in their lives their parents they turned into
00:23:42.080the next 20 years which is 1995 to uh to 2015 of what we what was called and you can read there's
00:23:50.320papers on it lots of studies bulldozer parenting and so instead of plucking the child out they
00:23:55.440removed they bulldozed out of the way of their poor child anyone who they felt might cause their
00:24:02.160their child emotional damage so teachers were fired professors and universities were fired
00:24:07.280politicians were fired government people in industry were fired by people pushing out of
00:24:14.240the way of their children and we've created this society remember those people now are 40 to 50
00:24:21.280years old and they're running our country who believe that the government is responsible for
00:24:28.000all risk in their lives and so you ask me is that hard to reverse i say yes it'll take at least a
00:24:32.960decade to start because where do you start you start in national interest number six which is
00:24:39.360personal and societal well-being and it has to start in our school system at kindergarten or
00:24:44.880pre-kindergarten where we expect children to manage themselves like they do in a country
00:24:50.640like japan i just saw an excellent video on x of a guy saying the the best country in the world
00:24:56.640a five-year-old japanese child is expected to walk a mile to school by themselves every morning with
00:25:03.840a giant backpack and when they get to all the streets with six lanes of cars they put their
00:25:09.440hand up and all the cars stop and the child walks across child children are taught to be independent
00:25:15.120and we know that that's how you build resilient citizens so yes i believe there has been severe
00:25:23.040damage intentionally done it started as a joke and it grew into an intentional system where we divide
00:25:29.920people by the whole idea of risk and that's why i put it in my matrix that a value of citizens who
00:25:37.840believe that risk is their responsibility is a unity thing in a 25-year vision that we have to
00:25:44.400build back to well we've got a question here um from the chat and if you've got a question we'll
00:25:50.480We'll certainly try to get it on if we can.
00:37:16.880We never should have worn masks, all of it.
00:37:19.120So as an emergency manager and as the co-chair of the team that wrote the Pandemic Influencer Lab, based on that, back in 2005, we knew that we shouldn't be using these.
00:37:35.300And so now we get to unity. The whole intent at that moment in time was to use the fear of the dissolving unity where citizens believed risk was the governments to solve and to start using NPIs, knowing they would do terrible damage in the future to keep the citizens from fighting back against the government.
00:37:59.120So we have to rebuild unity. And I would put it to you that in the rural areas of all of Canada, the values and beliefs are still the same.
00:38:09.400And it's how do we then permeate those values and beliefs back into our society?
00:38:15.040I'm just I'm just wondering, but how is it a 25 year process?
00:38:19.520We keep talking about the rural areas and we keep talking about the cities. It seems the rural areas have got it right.
00:38:25.700so how do we bring that in my opinion and that's why we're having this discussion because not in
00:38:30.820everybody's opinion oh sorry we lost you john john you've gone mute john you're mute yeah he
00:38:43.220i don't think he's hearing that's okay we'll have kathy message him there we go well you know what
00:38:51.620while we're waiting for john to come back dave why don't you take a look at this this other
00:38:55.620question that has come up conservative governments have to cater to eastern canada due to the
00:39:00.820structure of our government system how can this be unity and i'll add to that like how do we
00:39:06.180work around that when we do see a history within the country of efforts to make things
00:39:12.900more equal specifically for the senate uh with the reform party in the and pushing for a triple
00:39:19.060east senate how and and not being successful in that so how do we work around that to be okay
00:39:25.540so there's the strategic level i'll do the tactical level first right away um i'm a strong
00:39:30.660believer there should be no senate in canada there is no aristocracy in our country and we should
00:39:35.700never put a senate in place in the first place because the entire purpose of the senate in the
00:39:40.340british system was so that the nobles wouldn't give up their power and they'd keep the commoners
00:39:44.660at bay uh in our country i don't believe we should have ever had one and definitely now we shouldn't
00:39:49.460but um the control of our country and and the conservative movement catering i'm a soldier
00:39:57.060okay and i've lived through a pretty horrible civil war and so i always believe in evolution
00:40:02.980not revolution i've seen revolution firsthand and so the conservative party i understand
00:40:10.980how politics work it's filthy it's dirty i worked directly for premier klein for
00:40:15.780five great years he was a brilliant man but i always understood and at times he would say no to
00:40:22.100me and the reason he would say no is because the electorate wasn't ready yet and so you do it in
00:40:30.980steps and each government if they've told the citizens a vision based on six national interests
00:40:39.860and explained why and that's what we always miss it the why is never there it's just we're going
00:40:46.340to do this but if if a conservative government actually took the time to say i believe in 25
00:40:53.620years so when you're 20 years old and it's your turn to run this country at 45 here's where we
00:40:58.980think we can get it to and are you excited by that yes or no number one i think they would get far
00:41:05.540better buy-in and i don't care the label that you put on the government you know ndp liberal or
00:41:10.820conservative uh certainly the liberals have been seeing their vision for the next two years and
00:41:17.700people have been buying it why can't we have one with a greater vision but you have to be
00:41:23.140understanding that it will be iterative that that we're going to do this first and this first and
00:41:28.820yes equalization is one of the things that can definitely be iterative so that in five years a
00:41:36.900government span equalization will stay the same in the first year it'll be reduced by 25 percent in
00:41:44.260the next year it'll be reduced by 25 percent in the third year and reduced until we do away with
00:41:49.620the program and you have to be ready as provinces and territories to stand on your own two feet
00:41:54.820therefore knowing the funding is going to disappear maybe new brunswick and nova scotia
00:42:00.340you want to look at oil and gas that's sitting under your ground maybe quebec you want to do
00:42:04.340the same and we're hearing governments in those jurisdictions talking about it now because of the
00:42:08.500price of oil and a war in the middle east but how about if we did it saying we know your citizens
00:42:15.780want jobs and we know that 25 percent of your citizens currently are unemployed or on seasonal
00:42:22.980work and we can encourage you to let the private sector not the government into your province again
00:42:32.420and start to build forward because nova scotia back in confederation used to be a powerhouse
00:42:38.660ship building and and what why have they stopped because it's okay someone else will send you money
00:42:45.940and so it's got to be iterative but you have to have a vision saying this is where we're going
00:42:51.860and that's why we're not going to do this anymore and we're going to phase it out because the
00:42:56.100government can't go from full equalization to none without a complete collapse of their economy
00:43:01.700so we're going to do it over a period of time and and so look at each one of those issues that that
00:43:07.540we talk about here in the west look at them one at a time and figure out how you can walk that
00:43:12.980forward but but i put it to you that the the rurals in ontario have been begging their government
00:43:21.220for the ring of fire for 20 years so it's not that people haven't talked about it it's that
00:43:29.060government got away with destroying unity to achieve their next election well and i think
00:43:37.940there's a real vacuum of leadership because what you're describing would require a lot of strong
00:43:44.580leadership to be able to basically stand up to the last 40 years and and what we have become
00:43:52.500to stand up to that and say no we're going to do it differently now and we're going to get
00:43:57.060back to where we used to be and i think that's maybe that's what it comes down to is just a
00:44:02.260very basic lack of leadership and how do we fill that vacuum i'm not sure i half agree and the
00:44:10.180other half is the citizens let them okay so so if we deal with them in in two parts leadership
00:44:17.300conforms to what citizens allow in so many cases when you're talking about politics
00:44:24.980and so we need to start immediately demanding more of our leaders and like i say everything
00:44:30.260starts at at the local level no matter what you're talking about and so a community without
00:44:36.260jobs wants jobs they they needed to elect a leader that wants to invite the private sector in
00:44:42.900or a government that will give them more money but when you have a national debt like ours now
00:44:48.900partly because of covid but trudeau started it in 2015 he intentionally wanted to increase the
00:44:55.220national debt and my definition of communism has always been when 51 of of the citizens of a country
00:45:03.540depend monthly on their salary coming from government that's when you've achieved communism
00:45:08.900and we're there so it's got to be a walk back right you've got to walk it back but at the same
00:45:14.980time you have to as politicians look past the end of your term so maybe we look out 10 years
00:45:25.220and then 15 and but but you have to look past when you may not be in power and the citizens then say
00:45:32.980i'm not going to elect a government that won't take us to that vision and then the competition
00:45:38.020between the leaders is who will get you to the vision best not not not a different vision who
00:45:45.540will get you to the vision that we've agreed on the best and at the the kitchen table discussion
00:45:50.820based on all six national interests we're talking unity today but let's have that same discussion
00:45:56.100about the next five what do you expect in um a good governance government right because i've
00:46:04.820i've heard in the alberta separatist movement what type of government i'm going to have geez
00:46:09.780i don't know let's have that discussion and let's have it seriously let's talk about rights and
00:46:14.420freedoms what are they are they guaranteed or are they not if they're if some of them are but some
00:46:18.260of them aren't which ones why uh let's talk about an economic prosperity growth but i think the the
00:46:23.940separation movement spent all their time on one out of six you're really good on the economic
00:46:29.140prosperity and growth but you missed some of the others i think i think i can assure you that that
00:46:34.660is coming dave and i've talked to people who are working on that plan of how we move forward and
00:46:40.420that's a very difficult do we keep the system we've got to go more like a constitutional republic like
00:46:46.100the united states but that is certainly coming and you know i think it's i think a great discussion
00:46:50.180here because of your six things you're talking about here this certainly you know uh you know
00:46:54.660maybe the leaders of the independence movement can look at those things as well did you say that the
00:46:58.500government does what the people allow is that what you said just a while ago i was i kind of
00:47:02.420focused in on that is that what you said there that's that there's an ancient saying you get
00:47:06.900the government you government you deserve yeah yeah so that's that's the corollary yeah yeah so
01:51:46.360Yeah. Protection of rights and freedoms. I think we could go on even further. It's been fascinating to talk to you. It's been interesting questioning you and challenging you as well. And thank you so much for your time. We really do appreciate it. And I didn't say this at the beginning, but thank you for your service, sir.