John Bolton - Alberta United： The Collaborative Vision Series, Unity

00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John Bolton and welcome. Great to have you here tonight. I have to say this is

00:00:07.020 something new for me. I've never done a live stream before, but it's not my live stream. I'm

00:00:12.600 kind of the nuts and bolts guy here tonight. We've got a fantastic guest you're going to love

00:00:18.020 to hear about. We're going to talk a lot about unity. We're going to talk about Canada. I think

00:00:22.560 maybe how Alberta maybe fits into this as well. I don't, maybe even Donald Trump will be brought

00:00:26.780 up tonight. Who knows? But it's going to be a fantastic discussion here tonight. Now, this is

00:00:32.400 part of a series of different interviews being done on my channel tonight. It'll be on other

00:00:38.420 channels in the future, but also on the Alberta Women's Independent Network X and Facebook sites

00:00:44.960 as well. And it's called their Alberta United, the Collaborative Vision Series. And my partner

00:00:51.220 in crime tonight, helping out and asking a bunch of questions, Angela Tabak, co-founder of the

00:00:56.700 Women's Independence Network. First off, Angela, thanks for inviting me to do a little bit of this.

00:01:02.200 I think this is going to be a fascinating discussion, and we want people to get involved

00:01:05.560 as well. If you've got a question and you'd like to ask it, by all means do that, and we'll try to

00:01:09.820 fit it into the discussion tonight with our guest, who we'll introduce in just a moment. Tell me,

00:01:14.940 what is the Alberta Women's Independent Network? Give us the background on that.

00:01:19.420 Well, first off, John, I want to thank you so much for being involved in this.

00:01:22.800 The Alberta Women's Independence Network is a group that we put together about a little over a year ago, and our whole intention is to engage women, although we do have a lot of men that attend our meetings, but to engage women who maybe historically in the past have not been involved politically or not really involved in the conversation that needs to be had around the state of Canada, around Alberta independence, and kind of what our options are.

00:01:52.800 So what we do is we focus on smaller meetings, maybe in someone's home, maybe at a local restaurant, and just having more one-on-one type conversations.

00:02:06.060 We have these wonderful organizations throughout the province that are doing, you know, large town halls and stuff, but that's not for everybody.

00:02:13.360 And so our focus has really been on getting those folks who would rather have the one-on-one conversation.

00:02:19.080 And so the whole reason why we came up with this idea of this Alberta United, this speaker series, is because we keep hearing the same questions over and over again.

00:02:31.220 What could an independent Alberta look like? What do we do to ensure that if we are going through the work of creating something like an independent Alberta, how do we ensure that we're different from what we're leaving?

00:02:45.800 that we're actually solving problems, not just changing venues, if that makes sense.

00:02:51.240 No, I think that does. And we've been talking to our guest tonight prior to going live here. And

00:02:57.300 I think he certainly does want to solve problems. And I don't think there's enough of that in the

00:03:04.360 world right now. And if you live in Canada, I think that may be the case for sure. Why don't

00:03:09.320 we introduce our guest tonight? I know you've spoken to our guest before. I'm meeting him for

00:03:13.800 the first time tonight. An impressive man for sure. Retired Lieutenant Colonel David Redmond.

00:03:20.040 We asked him prior to going live, what should we refer to you as, Lieutenant Colonel? He said,

00:03:26.120 call us Dave. So let's bring him in and introduce him to everybody here. And we'd like to thank you

00:03:31.020 for being here. Dave, we really appreciate it. We're looking forward to talking to you tonight

00:03:35.500 and talk about unity and all the things that are involved with unity when it comes to the country

00:03:39.900 and maybe maybe the state of canada for sure right now thank you for being here

00:03:44.520 thank you for having me and i i really appreciate it don't have your microphone

00:03:49.140 are you hearing him john i'm not hearing him no are you hearing me angela i'm hearing you dave

00:03:58.120 yeah i can hear you odd all right dave let's have you let's have you kind of introduce yourself

00:04:06.380 um and we'll come back you're at the audio you're back okay good no no i'll come back i'll just

00:04:11.840 re i'll re-log in just one second okay sounds good yeah dave why don't you go ahead and introduce

00:04:16.020 yourself and and we'll kind of get into why we wanted you as our very first guest on this series

00:04:21.560 so thanks angela and and to kathy in the background um i spent 27 years in canadian

00:04:30.040 army i joined in 1972 and and with my family we lived all over the world and but more importantly

00:04:36.920 we lived all across canada so we met canadians in every walk of life all across our country and

00:04:43.640 as an officer in the army so many canadians all through the 70s 80s and 90s joined the army and

00:04:50.520 i got to meet fabulous young canadians from every corner of our country and so i got to listen to

00:04:57.320 where they were from what they were proud of and and all the things that came together

00:05:01.800 when i left the army in 1999 i ended up working for the government of alberta in emergency

00:05:07.240 management alberta and i got to know the wonderful people of alberta north south east and west

00:05:12.920 my first job was in municipal affairs running support to municipalities in times of emergency

00:05:20.040 so i got to meet all the mayors and reeves across 314 communities in alberta and so got to know

00:05:26.280 again the canadians that live in alberta and all of their emotions and feelings and what was going

00:05:31.960 on then unfortunately september the 11th happened and i lost that super job and i became the director

00:05:37.560 of counterterrorism working on both sides of our border for two years before i took over all of

00:05:43.560 vma but again learning then our neighbors to the south our interrelationships and how we all work

00:05:50.520 together uh through really terrible times so because of that background uh what i saw happening

00:05:58.840 in our country canada was that our country was fragmenting and and being pulled apart

00:06:06.120 and all the canadians i knew that still lived all across the country talked to me a lot and said

00:06:12.040 there's something going on and it's not right and so i went back to some of my earliest training

00:06:18.840 when we were always taught as an officer to present a vision and so what i wrote in 2024 was

00:06:26.840 a paper uh which which you referred to when you were posting that the video which is based on a

00:06:33.160 25-year vision for our country and trying to encourage politicians not to go for the minute

00:06:39.880 to minute to try and present to the people of our country a 25-year vision that would pull all

00:06:47.000 decisions and all information forward but i didn't do it for them i did it for citizens i wrote the

00:06:54.040 paper for the citizens of our country and the reason i based it on the six national interests

00:06:59.080 that define any country is to arm citizens with the words they need to demand more from their

00:07:06.440 politicians i think it's the name of the document that you're referring to is called canada 2024

00:07:13.800 a confident, resilient nation or a fearful, fractured country. I think it's fascinating

00:07:19.400 and a really great time to talk about this. You said you wrote it in 2024 and we can go back just

00:07:26.260 a short time in history. That was about 10 months before Justin Trudeau walked out on January the

00:07:34.500 6th of that year and resigned. And it's a year to the month that Mark Carney won the liberal

00:07:39.500 leadership and he became the prime minister of the country and it's going to be fascinating to hear

00:07:44.940 what you think the differences between 2024 the years of trudeau and whether we've gained any

00:07:50.780 unity here in canada uh since mark carney is in and he is now the prime minister and of course

00:07:55.580 was elected on april the 28th so maybe you can frame the discussion here a little for us and we

00:08:01.020 can get the nuts and bolts of what's going on here and then we can have a discussion about your paper

00:08:05.340 and uh and your thoughts on this absolutely so if you'll just give me a sec i'm going to uh

00:08:13.180 share my screen and just give a little bit of a background okay

00:08:22.860 so are we good can you see that sure can all right so so i explain a 25-year vision and

00:08:30.860 the 25-year vision needs to be built on the national interests that define a country and

00:08:36.380 i want to be very clear national interests are the same no matter whether you live in a totalitarian

00:08:41.260 dictatorship or a free and open democracy it's how you define the six national interests that

00:08:48.620 defines your country but what are they based on national interests all six of them are defined

00:08:57.100 by the ethics and values of the citizens and so when i hear a politician let's use trudeau as a

00:09:04.140 first example who says we're living in a post-nationalist state that says to me he doesn't

00:09:10.940 believe that the citizens of his country are distinct and different and that their ethics

00:09:15.820 and values are not important that they are just a blob that that exists in the world

00:09:23.340 the national interests are the core definition of that 25-year vision and so for citizens to

00:09:30.920 engage their government whether it's municipal government provincial territorial government or

00:09:36.680 federal government they need to have the words to have serious and meaningful discussion and that's

00:09:43.660 why i framed the national interest and then broke the national interest into a whole series of sub

00:09:49.180 bullets to arm citizens with the words that they then form into their idea of the national interest

00:09:58.680 and have meaningful discussions with politicians at every order of government. Those national

00:10:05.320 interests and that 25-year vision then are the benchmark for all decisions at every order of

00:10:11.780 government, internal and external to our country, for the political leadership because they're based

00:10:17.620 on the wishes of their citizens and they know that the vision that they built is one that's

00:10:23.780 shared across the entire nation now you're always going for the 80 solution never the 100 solution

00:10:31.460 so when I say across the entire nations there are pieces that will be different and pieces that will

00:10:36.180 grow and things that evolve and so when you build that 25 year vision it's an iterative process and

00:10:42.180 every five years you update it but you never move away from the six national interests and you can

00:10:48.820 simply redefine small pieces as you grow without the national interest you see exactly what's

00:10:55.460 happened in our country for the past 11 years and i see no difference between the previous

00:11:00.340 government and the current government in the fact that they have no vision for our country that is

00:11:06.980 longer than one year or their term in government and i mean at every order of government municipal

00:11:12.900 provincial territorial and federal and so you need those interests to define and link your whole

00:11:19.140 discussions and decision making but they also define then how your nation interacts with other

00:11:25.620 nations and in particular your allies and partners and we see that falling apart when you have a

00:11:32.100 prime minister who at the start of a one-year term says china is the biggest threat to our country

00:11:38.100 and he's right and one year later says china is our new strategic national partner and he's wrong 1.00

00:11:45.380 there's no linkage and there's no way that our neighbors and allies can understand

00:11:51.940 so what are the six national interests there they are on your screen unity national security good

00:11:58.900 governance rights and freedoms economic prosperity and growth and personal and community and well

00:12:04.500 being and people struggle what i mean about personal and community will be it's clearly

00:12:08.820 defined in the paper and and in other countries that's when you're talking about your health care

00:12:13.780 system most importantly your education and training system in your country all the pieces

00:12:19.220 that make up your social fabric those six define every country in the world and if you saw donald

00:12:26.820 trump's national security strategy he used those six national interests at the start of the paper

00:12:34.260 on his national security strategy to link national security strategy to all six the six don't exist

00:12:42.580 in isolation they're constantly linked and each one impacts on the other because you can't have

00:12:49.300 national security without economic prosperity and growth you can't have any of it without

00:12:53.860 good governance they all are interlinked and unity pervades through them all but i put it to you and

00:13:02.020 the basic definition of a country is when a group of people who share common ethics and values

00:13:08.660 band together in a defined geographic region which they are prepared to defend

00:13:14.580 that's the definition of a country so unity and national security are overarching without unity

00:13:21.060 and national security the other four can't exist and so when we get into our discussions i'll

00:13:26.660 always come back to unity is a cornerstone with national security and the others change and vary

00:13:33.780 but the first two define a country so let's talk about unity and i'm going to have two slides here

00:13:41.460 because unity first of all is the common shared values ethics and beliefs of the citizens of a

00:13:47.860 a country and I hear lots of talk that the values ethics and beliefs are different all across Canada

00:13:53.360 and I put it to that I disagree and it's my life experience having lived all across the country 1.00

00:14:00.040 and having seen soldiers all across the country that I hope it's still true right and and we'll

00:14:06.980 get into that discussion I think a lot tonight but the unity is the cornerstone to define a

00:14:13.460 group as a nation because without that unity why would those people come together in the first

00:14:17.460 place and we can talk about the history of our country and why we came together and why in my

00:14:22.500 opinion we should stick together but in in the the alberta women's independence network why alberta

00:14:29.060 should come together but only if you can have unity in the province as well before you start

00:14:34.740 down that path right they're unique unity is unique in every country in the world and any

00:14:42.180 leader of our country that says canada doesn't have unique unity doesn't know the history of

00:14:47.860 their own country and doesn't know the people that make up their country you can have diversity

00:14:54.180 of backgrounds and i hear this discussion all the time people come from many walks of life but you

00:14:58.900 can't have diversity of the basic values ethics and belief and that's the cornerstone of unity

00:15:07.700 you have to share the same values ethics and beliefs and we're going to get into that i think

00:15:11.780 tonight in a lot of detail but i always use switzerland as the example you have the swiss

00:15:18.420 the germans and the italians who can't be more diverse when you talk about that their basic

00:15:24.740 backgrounds but they share common values and beliefs right and so we need to have that

00:15:31.380 discussion in our country whether it's canada or alberta or what the future brings but the leaders

00:15:38.180 must be personally ready to constantly defend unity and always have confidence in the unity

00:15:45.620 and build unity and never ever use the tools that use fear and break a country into smaller groups

00:15:54.500 so we'll have a discussion about multiculturalism and all those other tools uh probably tonight

00:16:00.820 let's talk about what what i believe are the common ethics values and beliefs our country was

00:16:05.700 built on respect respect being the judeo-christian value do unto others as you would have them to 0.97

00:16:12.260 unto you and so we must only have an immigration system that brings people to our country that

00:16:19.140 have that same type of respect now when i put respect i also include the franco-anglo heritage

00:16:26.100 and i've heard that about the fact that we've been fighting since the time was canada was the first

00:16:31.060 country in the world where the french and english stopped killing each other and decided to find a

00:16:37.380 way to work together just enough that they could have their shared values and move forward to stop

00:16:44.980 threats towards their ground remember national security being the number two and i i hear lots

00:16:52.500 of discussions around that but there were still wars going on all over the world between the

00:16:57.060 french and english and they weren't in canada individual responsibility and resilience and this

00:17:03.380 my heritage and and i'm sure most of the people's heritage that are watching tonight

00:17:08.500 we all came here from somewhere and i include the first nations but we all have this strong belief

00:17:14.580 that we are accountable for ourselves and that government isn't there to take care of us

00:17:21.620 and helicopter parenting and bulldozer parenting i'm sure we'll have that discussion tonight have

00:17:26.260 pulled apart some of that individual responsibility but that's got to be a cornerstone of our country

00:17:32.500 for all time we believe in rights and freedoms so that's a massive difference from other countries

00:17:38.980 that share the same principles of six national interests that don't believe there are rights and

00:17:44.420 freedoms and a huge pride in our unique democracy there is no country in the world that has the

00:17:50.420 history of canada we're a northern nation with an extreme environment where we banded together

00:17:56.020 in groups to survive our elements, but as well grew as a nation step by step. And we just celebrated

00:18:03.740 the anniversary of Vimy Ridge, where many people say Canada came as a nation. As I told folks

00:18:09.660 before, my grandfather and all my great uncles fought at Vimy Ridge, and many of them are still

00:18:15.540 there. Compassion. We believe in compassion. We don't believe in ridiculous compassion. We believe

00:18:22.160 in compassion for our neighbors and other nations when it is in the full national interest and 25

00:18:28.400 year vision of our country equality anyone who wants to come and join our country and be part

00:18:34.800 of our unity has to believe in equality notice i didn't say equity i said equality in particular

00:18:42.240 for women canada was one of the first countries in the world that gave women the right to vote

00:18:47.520 and i'm strong believer that equality is a fundamental belief of all canadians

00:18:54.480 finally international standing we believe our country has a role to play in the world

00:19:00.240 and we've watched how it's been expressed by different politicians at the at every level of

00:19:05.840 government from municipal provincial territorial and federal but we have to be a reliable ally

00:19:12.080 and the only way to be a reliable ally is to be a unified country so i'm gonna pop out of this

00:19:18.800 that's just the framework to start a discussion and so if you can in the background take my sharing

00:19:26.960 away yep looks good looks good outstanding okay so that's just the framework that's fantastic so

00:19:37.600 a lot of people are commenting we've got people here thanks for being here tonight they're

00:19:41.040 skeptical of what you're saying right now but i think i think you need to understand i've read

00:19:45.520 i've read the document that dave put together and you're going to hear some interesting things

00:19:50.320 tonight so stick with us because there are a lot of people skeptical saying the east west don't

00:19:55.040 people are talking or talking about this in the chat right now dave from an east west perspective

00:20:00.560 and certainly they're they don't see there's a lot of unity here but i want to i want to kind

00:20:04.480 of play devil's advocate with you right off the top here is it kind of a a pie in the sky um

00:20:13.360 a pie in the sky um belief that we can have a 25 year vision here i mean i'm i'm 61 years old i

00:20:19.840 don't recall the government ever thinking 25 years out and and having a plan for you know children

00:20:26.320 and grandchildren down the way okay so that's a great place to start in 1975 uh i was in my third

00:20:34.080 year of the royal military college of canada and a compulsory course for every officer who

00:20:40.960 was going to go forward and command troops in that in our army at that time was required to

00:20:47.680 know the six national interests and the definition of them and there was a half semester course a

00:20:52.800 half year course that we took in 1965 we had a process that defined the national interest

00:21:00.720 and kept them alive and had a vision for our country i put it you that died in 1968

00:21:07.760 and for those of you who aren't old enough that was when pierre elliot trudeau was elected but

00:21:12.800 we had a process that did that review constantly and i was taught them and the reason i was taught

00:21:20.240 them is as an officer i knew i was going to be serving all over the world and whenever i met

00:21:24.880 with people from other countries they wanted to know about canada and i was able to have a

00:21:29.520 intelligent conversation with them based on the six national interests and the definition of them

00:21:33.840 and we used to have white papers on each of the six national interests and we used to have

00:21:39.760 white papers on sub elements of the six national interests one of those white papers i was taught

00:21:46.160 in the second half of that year which was the white paper on national defense which clearly

00:21:50.880 defined the purpose for an armed forces of canada army navy and air force and all the sub pieces

00:21:56.720 and i had to know them all but we used to have up until 1965 a regular recurring discussion about a

00:22:05.520 vision for our country and it when if you read the paper you'll see that i start off with

00:22:12.240 um in 1967 and the mission that we had for our country it's because everybody knew it and talked

00:22:18.640 about it so yes i believe we can i think we need to spend the time to reinvest and it's got to be

00:22:27.200 citizen up demanding it well you talk in your paper and you said that right now we've gone

00:22:33.360 through two generations who want a i think you put it as a risk-free world um and now government

00:22:39.140 seems to be raising them if we can go back to that i mean it's you know we're going back 60 years now

00:22:44.560 um once you do that once you do that and you you have the government raising people are we not

00:22:51.280 we're certainly down up um what's the word i'm looking for here it's a slippery slope prophecy

00:22:59.520 well yeah and it's a very slippery slope and you've got two generations that have been brought

00:23:03.440 up this way and then you know it's hard it's hard to stop that you're absolutely correct it's very

00:23:08.320 hard and so so in the paper i i describe it uh and there's been lots of studies on it started

00:23:14.480 with 70 1975 to uh to 1995 20 years of what when we first started we all joked about helicopter

00:23:21.920 parenting and that's where a parent would would see their child in a in a difficult situation

00:23:28.160 and they would pluck their child out of that situation and those children became completely

00:23:35.600 reliant on someone else to solve all the risk in their lives their parents they turned into

00:23:42.080 the next 20 years which is 1995 to uh to 2015 of what we what was called and you can read there's

00:23:50.320 papers on it lots of studies bulldozer parenting and so instead of plucking the child out they

00:23:55.440 removed they bulldozed out of the way of their poor child anyone who they felt might cause their

00:24:02.160 their child emotional damage so teachers were fired professors and universities were fired

00:24:07.280 politicians were fired government people in industry were fired by people pushing out of

00:24:14.240 the way of their children and we've created this society remember those people now are 40 to 50

00:24:21.280 years old and they're running our country who believe that the government is responsible for

00:24:28.000 all risk in their lives and so you ask me is that hard to reverse i say yes it'll take at least a

00:24:32.960 decade to start because where do you start you start in national interest number six which is

00:24:39.360 personal and societal well-being and it has to start in our school system at kindergarten or

00:24:44.880 pre-kindergarten where we expect children to manage themselves like they do in a country

00:24:50.640 like japan i just saw an excellent video on x of a guy saying the the best country in the world

00:24:56.640 a five-year-old japanese child is expected to walk a mile to school by themselves every morning with

00:25:03.840 a giant backpack and when they get to all the streets with six lanes of cars they put their

00:25:09.440 hand up and all the cars stop and the child walks across child children are taught to be independent

00:25:15.120 and we know that that's how you build resilient citizens so yes i believe there has been severe

00:25:23.040 damage intentionally done it started as a joke and it grew into an intentional system where we divide

00:25:29.920 people by the whole idea of risk and that's why i put it in my matrix that a value of citizens who

00:25:37.840 believe that risk is their responsibility is a unity thing in a 25-year vision that we have to

00:25:44.400 build back to well we've got a question here um from the chat and if you've got a question we'll

00:25:50.480 We'll certainly try to get it on if we can.

00:25:52.160 Given, this is Petrina, 0.99

00:25:53.660 given Ottawa's overt disdain and disrespect for Western Canada and Alberta,

00:25:58.640 including hostile prosperity killing policies for over a decade,

00:26:02.620 how does Colonel Redmond see unity taking place?

00:26:06.300 This is a question I was going to ask in a bit,

00:26:08.100 but might as well get to it right now.

00:26:09.260 And I think it will open up more discussion here.

00:26:11.900 So I'll start right away.

00:26:14.700 The first word, second word in that question was Ottawa's.

00:26:18.440 And people do that all the time.

00:26:20.180 they say the government they say ottawa they say it's the liberal party of canada folks

00:26:28.020 so let's be very clear let's put blame where blame lies up until if you if you read my paper up until

00:26:36.740 2015 the and mclean's magazine annually published an article every year the 99 reasons why it's

00:26:43.940 better to be a canadian than anything else so in the last 11 years we've watched a government

00:26:51.780 the liberal party of canada directly attack the unity of our country why do they do it

00:26:59.620 for obvious reasons okay so i i contest that it's ottawa it's the liberal party of canada

00:27:08.500 and the way you fix a country is you get rid of politicians that don't reflect you at the

00:27:13.300 national level and there is a way to do that it's very hard but you actually have to as citizens

00:27:21.780 remove a government right and yeah i know all about bribery and fraud and backroom deals and

00:27:26.740 all the rest of it but if you don't start it'll fall apart but i hate to say this but elbows up

00:27:36.100 dave you know i i knew i knew eventually you know it would slip into the conversation but

00:27:43.220 i mean it's what you're talking about here is divide and conquer right that's what this is

00:27:48.180 about divide and conquer so we look at what happened back on april 28th last year and the

00:27:53.060 liberals divided this country up to those who knew what the liberals and you're talking about

00:27:57.860 the problems we've got the liberals and what they've created here those of us who knew what

00:28:01.940 the liberals were doing and knew that they were the fault they were the problem in the country

00:28:07.300 and the others and the liberals they just strategically use donald trump to create a fear

00:28:12.740 and that's a great way to motivate people right absolutely yeah and so why do citizens permit it

00:28:22.100 it's yeah it's the whole discussion about rebuilding resilient citizens and and i'm sorry

00:28:28.500 if you we'll end up there anyway yeah why do you think the people of calgary voted in nancy and

00:28:38.100 gondek why do you think the citizens of edmonton voted in knack do you really think alberta is

00:28:45.700 completely different other than rural alberta because i will put it to you that all across

00:28:51.140 this grace country from coast to coast to coast the rural canadians are sick and tired of the

00:29:00.180 liberal government and so the question is how do we get the urban centers to come back to demanding

00:29:09.060 a 25-year vision for our country based with unity and national security because i'm telling you if

00:29:16.580 we don't geopolitics is one of the things i've spent my whole life studying okay because i get

00:29:23.380 sent used to get sent to some pretty horrible places so i always wanted to know what's the

00:29:28.420 geography and what are the politics within that geography that trap different nations into

00:29:34.260 possible futures the neighbor to our south is our best ally and our best trading partner always has

00:29:43.460 been always will if we don't treat them with disdain and so we as a country right from the

00:29:51.300 very beginning recognize that manifest destiny is in their best national security interest i.e

00:29:58.580 they want all of canada so if we fragment it's only a matter of a decade until we're going to

00:30:05.860 be having to talk about whether or not alberta wants to be independent we'll be just talking

00:30:10.100 about what what's important in america and i remind you that america just went through the

00:30:15.060 biden government so everybody that thinks the u.s government is way better than our government uh

00:30:20.180 no so we either have to fix our country or we will be americans they've always believed in manifest

00:30:27.620 destiny it's not donald trump it's the united states of america but when we do our part they

00:30:33.540 stop talking about it now i know the rurals in canada look at that slide because i've done this

00:30:41.780 presentation with lots of people in the rurals love those values and beliefs but i find big

00:30:48.260 pushback when i talk to urbans and it's the same in alberta angela would you like to ask something

00:30:55.540 sorry angela would you like to ask something well i'm really intrigued by the idea of the 25 year

00:31:03.700 vision in it and i i can totally see how that would be the solution to a lot of the problems

00:31:10.260 that that we're coming up against but my question and i'm just trying to understand it better

00:31:14.900 where did that 25 year vision source from was it the politicians who had a vision and then put it

00:31:23.460 forward and it became part of your white papers that you studied or how where did that come from

00:31:30.260 because that's that's the way it was presented to me a long long long time ago and you remember

00:31:35.380 we used to use five-year voting cycles right a government lasted five years it still does in law

00:31:41.060 uh we put in place the american system of four-year mandatory elections which i personally

00:31:46.500 think is a ridiculous idea and i can explain why later but but the reason it was five years was

00:31:52.740 then every five years you update it and the reason you make it 25 years is some things take a long

00:31:58.740 time to build national security and maintain national security the big elements take a long

00:32:05.060 time if you're talking about industry and and and strong industry if you're going to ship remember

00:32:11.620 in 1965 we were the hewers of wood the miners of ore and the fishers of the sea and and i'm sorry

00:32:17.780 those that weren't weren't in their teens in 1965 don't remember that but but we were very proudly

00:32:23.860 that but we kept saying we want to be more we want to be manufacturers we want to be people into the

00:32:30.740 advancing sciences we and so there was a big movement in 1965 to take our economic prosperity

00:32:37.700 and growth out of resource industries keep them there but but add more and knowing full well that

00:32:45.060 it would take decades to keep pulling forward those types of industry because other than the

00:32:50.900 automotive industry we we weren't excelling and we wanted to excel more and not just be

00:32:58.180 right so the big thing of the canadian in the lumberjack shirt one day we wanted them to be

00:33:03.700 you know science and technology so the reason for the 25 year was it was five-year increments

00:33:09.940 supposedly of an elected government going forward and people buying into that vision and people used

00:33:15.460 to write things and and i'll give credit where credit is due i think jean chretien actually

00:33:20.900 tried to do one of those when he produced the red paper in 1993 for that election okay

00:33:27.220 so there was a time when we were trying to go back to this vision and say we can be this but they

00:33:34.980 based it on all six and and john you asked the great discussion either before the podcast or at

00:33:40.580 the start of it all six are interrelated you can't do anyone without all six and all six impact on

00:33:47.940 on all six so when citizens are having this discussion and want to have these these meetings

00:33:53.780 and i think a win is a perfect example the kitchen table discussion with a glass of wine

00:33:58.740 talking about it and not getting emotional just just trying to why do you think that why do you

00:34:05.700 think that right because i'm telling you it it's so fundamental that citizens must demand better

00:34:15.980 from municipal government from provincial government provincial territorial and and

00:34:21.500 from federal government and if we don't they'll play this game forever the tools are obvious i

00:34:27.060 I mean, Stalin figured all the tools out a long time ago, and we've just watched them being used.

00:34:31.720 The methodologies are different, but the tools are the same, and it's always fear, and it's always division. 0.73

00:34:36.660 And so when you get to DEI, that was nothing more than a division tool.

00:34:40.000 Council culture, a division tool. 0.77

00:34:41.780 You're not smart enough. 0.82

00:34:42.700 You're not good enough. 0.99

00:34:44.020 We're better than you.

00:34:45.660 So it's time to say no.

00:34:49.120 And as citizens, we've had this discussion all along, and unfortunately, in my opinion,

00:34:56.280 2015, the end of the 40-year cycle, I talked about helicopter parenting and bulldozer parenting

00:35:02.120 happened at the perfect time for a guy named Trudeau, who came to power in 2015. And he

00:35:07.760 realized that he had a society that was devolving into fear all by itself, that risk was not their

00:35:17.680 responsibility. And instead of trying to reverse it, the pandemic hit at the perfect time, and he

00:35:23.980 tripled down yeah well i'm sorry back yeah you know i remember specifically during the pandemic

00:35:32.700 um the thing that turned things the tide for him when he was standing up and he was talking about

00:35:40.380 you know the injection and getting vaccinated and we won't have those people sitting on buses

00:35:47.260 and trains and planes with us and i remember thinking oh my god this is pitting canadian

00:35:55.260 against canadian and this works much like the donald trump thing did uh just about well just

00:36:01.660 about a year ago it's almost a year ago uh to the actual day but yeah i saw that happen during

00:36:07.660 the trudeau years and boy they use this to great to great effect uh so if i can back you up two

00:36:13.580 years sure the start of the pandemic we knew we being anyone who was able to read and had one of

00:36:23.260 these didn't have to be an intelligence analyst um that the only people who were at risk from

00:36:30.540 covet 19 were seniors over the age of 65 with three or more severe comorbidities yes anyone

00:36:37.900 could die of covet but the risk of dying of covet from the age of 65 with three more

00:36:43.740 comitribities going down was less than seasonal influenza and we knew it

00:36:50.140 so be long before we ever got to the vaccine the use of the non-pharmaceutical interventions and

00:36:57.100 there's 15 of them everything from hand washing through to closing of business closing of schools

00:37:01.500 wearing of masks all the rest of that had been studied for two decades and categorically the

00:37:07.020 The risk-benefit analysis was never use an NPI other than hand-washing because they do far more harm than good.

00:37:15.540 We never should have closed schools.

00:37:16.880 We never should have worn masks, all of it.

00:37:19.120 So as an emergency manager and as the co-chair of the team that wrote the Pandemic Influencer Lab, based on that, back in 2005, we knew that we shouldn't be using these.

00:37:32.540 So the question always becomes why.

00:37:35.300 And so now we get to unity. The whole intent at that moment in time was to use the fear of the dissolving unity where citizens believed risk was the governments to solve and to start using NPIs, knowing they would do terrible damage in the future to keep the citizens from fighting back against the government.

00:37:59.120 So we have to rebuild unity. And I would put it to you that in the rural areas of all of Canada, the values and beliefs are still the same.

00:38:09.400 And it's how do we then permeate those values and beliefs back into our society?

00:38:15.040 I'm just I'm just wondering, but how is it a 25 year process?

00:38:19.520 We keep talking about the rural areas and we keep talking about the cities. It seems the rural areas have got it right.

00:38:25.700 so how do we bring that in my opinion and that's why we're having this discussion because not in

00:38:30.820 everybody's opinion oh sorry we lost you john john you've gone mute john you're mute yeah he

00:38:43.220 i don't think he's hearing that's okay we'll have kathy message him there we go well you know what

00:38:51.620 while we're waiting for john to come back dave why don't you take a look at this this other

00:38:55.620 question that has come up conservative governments have to cater to eastern canada due to the

00:39:00.820 structure of our government system how can this be unity and i'll add to that like how do we

00:39:06.180 work around that when we do see a history within the country of efforts to make things

00:39:12.900 more equal specifically for the senate uh with the reform party in the and pushing for a triple

00:39:19.060 east senate how and and not being successful in that so how do we work around that to be okay

00:39:25.540 so there's the strategic level i'll do the tactical level first right away um i'm a strong

00:39:30.660 believer there should be no senate in canada there is no aristocracy in our country and we should

00:39:35.700 never put a senate in place in the first place because the entire purpose of the senate in the

00:39:40.340 british system was so that the nobles wouldn't give up their power and they'd keep the commoners

00:39:44.660 at bay uh in our country i don't believe we should have ever had one and definitely now we shouldn't

00:39:49.460 but um the control of our country and and the conservative movement catering i'm a soldier

00:39:57.060 okay and i've lived through a pretty horrible civil war and so i always believe in evolution

00:40:02.980 not revolution i've seen revolution firsthand and so the conservative party i understand

00:40:10.980 how politics work it's filthy it's dirty i worked directly for premier klein for

00:40:15.780 five great years he was a brilliant man but i always understood and at times he would say no to

00:40:22.100 me and the reason he would say no is because the electorate wasn't ready yet and so you do it in

00:40:30.980 steps and each government if they've told the citizens a vision based on six national interests

00:40:39.860 and explained why and that's what we always miss it the why is never there it's just we're going

00:40:46.340 to do this but if if a conservative government actually took the time to say i believe in 25

00:40:53.620 years so when you're 20 years old and it's your turn to run this country at 45 here's where we

00:40:58.980 think we can get it to and are you excited by that yes or no number one i think they would get far

00:41:05.540 better buy-in and i don't care the label that you put on the government you know ndp liberal or

00:41:10.820 conservative uh certainly the liberals have been seeing their vision for the next two years and

00:41:17.700 people have been buying it why can't we have one with a greater vision but you have to be

00:41:23.140 understanding that it will be iterative that that we're going to do this first and this first and

00:41:28.820 yes equalization is one of the things that can definitely be iterative so that in five years a

00:41:36.900 government span equalization will stay the same in the first year it'll be reduced by 25 percent in

00:41:44.260 the next year it'll be reduced by 25 percent in the third year and reduced until we do away with

00:41:49.620 the program and you have to be ready as provinces and territories to stand on your own two feet

00:41:54.820 therefore knowing the funding is going to disappear maybe new brunswick and nova scotia

00:42:00.340 you want to look at oil and gas that's sitting under your ground maybe quebec you want to do

00:42:04.340 the same and we're hearing governments in those jurisdictions talking about it now because of the

00:42:08.500 price of oil and a war in the middle east but how about if we did it saying we know your citizens

00:42:15.780 want jobs and we know that 25 percent of your citizens currently are unemployed or on seasonal

00:42:22.980 work and we can encourage you to let the private sector not the government into your province again

00:42:32.420 and start to build forward because nova scotia back in confederation used to be a powerhouse

00:42:38.660 ship building and and what why have they stopped because it's okay someone else will send you money

00:42:45.940 and so it's got to be iterative but you have to have a vision saying this is where we're going

00:42:51.860 and that's why we're not going to do this anymore and we're going to phase it out because the

00:42:56.100 government can't go from full equalization to none without a complete collapse of their economy

00:43:01.700 so we're going to do it over a period of time and and so look at each one of those issues that that

00:43:07.540 we talk about here in the west look at them one at a time and figure out how you can walk that

00:43:12.980 forward but but i put it to you that the the rurals in ontario have been begging their government

00:43:21.220 for the ring of fire for 20 years so it's not that people haven't talked about it it's that

00:43:29.060 government got away with destroying unity to achieve their next election well and i think

00:43:37.940 there's a real vacuum of leadership because what you're describing would require a lot of strong

00:43:44.580 leadership to be able to basically stand up to the last 40 years and and what we have become

00:43:52.500 to stand up to that and say no we're going to do it differently now and we're going to get

00:43:57.060 back to where we used to be and i think that's maybe that's what it comes down to is just a

00:44:02.260 very basic lack of leadership and how do we fill that vacuum i'm not sure i half agree and the

00:44:10.180 other half is the citizens let them okay so so if we deal with them in in two parts leadership

00:44:17.300 conforms to what citizens allow in so many cases when you're talking about politics

00:44:24.980 and so we need to start immediately demanding more of our leaders and like i say everything

00:44:30.260 starts at at the local level no matter what you're talking about and so a community without

00:44:36.260 jobs wants jobs they they needed to elect a leader that wants to invite the private sector in

00:44:42.900 or a government that will give them more money but when you have a national debt like ours now

00:44:48.900 partly because of covid but trudeau started it in 2015 he intentionally wanted to increase the

00:44:55.220 national debt and my definition of communism has always been when 51 of of the citizens of a country

00:45:03.540 depend monthly on their salary coming from government that's when you've achieved communism

00:45:08.900 and we're there so it's got to be a walk back right you've got to walk it back but at the same

00:45:14.980 time you have to as politicians look past the end of your term so maybe we look out 10 years

00:45:25.220 and then 15 and but but you have to look past when you may not be in power and the citizens then say

00:45:32.980 i'm not going to elect a government that won't take us to that vision and then the competition

00:45:38.020 between the leaders is who will get you to the vision best not not not a different vision who

00:45:45.540 will get you to the vision that we've agreed on the best and at the the kitchen table discussion

00:45:50.820 based on all six national interests we're talking unity today but let's have that same discussion

00:45:56.100 about the next five what do you expect in um a good governance government right because i've

00:46:04.820 i've heard in the alberta separatist movement what type of government i'm going to have geez

00:46:09.780 i don't know let's have that discussion and let's have it seriously let's talk about rights and

00:46:14.420 freedoms what are they are they guaranteed or are they not if they're if some of them are but some

00:46:18.260 of them aren't which ones why uh let's talk about an economic prosperity growth but i think the the

00:46:23.940 separation movement spent all their time on one out of six you're really good on the economic

00:46:29.140 prosperity and growth but you missed some of the others i think i think i can assure you that that

00:46:34.660 is coming dave and i've talked to people who are working on that plan of how we move forward and

00:46:40.420 that's a very difficult do we keep the system we've got to go more like a constitutional republic like

00:46:46.100 the united states but that is certainly coming and you know i think it's i think a great discussion

00:46:50.180 here because of your six things you're talking about here this certainly you know uh you know

00:46:54.660 maybe the leaders of the independence movement can look at those things as well did you say that the

00:46:58.500 government does what the people allow is that what you said just a while ago i was i kind of

00:47:02.420 focused in on that is that what you said there that's that there's an ancient saying you get

00:47:06.900 the government you government you deserve yeah yeah so that's that's the corollary yeah yeah so

00:47:14.340 So, is that true?

00:47:18.380 The government does with the people.

00:47:19.820 Well, you know, I think of what we want here in Alberta.

00:47:23.880 In the democracy.

00:47:24.520 In the democracy.

00:47:25.440 Okay.

00:47:25.780 Because do you think we have a democracy right now in Canada?

00:47:29.780 No.

00:47:31.580 Okay.

00:47:32.100 So that's a quick one.

00:47:33.140 Because people in Alberta, we're hardworking people.

00:47:37.840 We're self-reliant.

00:47:39.340 We believe in personal responsibility.

00:47:41.120 We believe in getting things out of the ground.

00:47:43.540 We want our prosperity.

00:47:45.420 I mean, this is coming around to the independence movement.

00:47:47.340 A lot of people are talking about this in the chat right now.

00:47:50.340 And the government's saying no to us.

00:47:52.740 They're not doing, you know, we would like to get the oil out of the ground, but we can't.

00:47:56.420 The government really isn't doing what we're asking them to do.

00:48:00.440 How is this going to, how are we going to do this?

00:48:02.800 And with such a divided country, a large country, I just, I wonder how that's even possible.

00:48:08.680 So first of all, I want to challenge your premise.

00:48:11.060 Okay.

00:48:11.340 say albertans want i put it to you that 35 of albertans want and that's why you had nenshi

00:48:22.780 and gondek and now knack in our cities that don't want they totally believe in climate change and

00:48:30.860 believe that that what alberta was doing was wrong and helped block with the federal government so

00:48:37.820 albertans don't you can't use that that generalization with me i disagree with it

00:48:43.100 because i strongly believe that our current elected government in alberta does want i i

00:48:49.260 agree with that but and and and yes they got enough votes but at our municipal order of government

00:48:55.420 there's clearly a divide between rural and urban in terms of going forward and we need to have this

00:49:02.620 discussion amongst ourselves and include the rest of canada in in a way to look at it differently so

00:49:09.180 so you asked me and i gave you a very blunt answer um no um i believe that canadians have

00:49:19.020 in the last 11 years but more particularly in the last five permitted a government to get away with

00:49:27.980 bloody murder and i mean canadians in general and the fraud and the corruption we know we never even

00:49:35.340 question anymore like at least when the we scandal happened there was a little moral outrage that

00:49:41.340 lasted for about a week and a half this latest ones that we're seeing now happen almost weekly

00:49:47.420 in terms of money going like champagne going directly to his wife for a railroad to nowhere

00:49:53.180 um it doesn't even get the light of day so when you get to good governance one of the bullets in

00:50:02.220 my good governance is a free and independent media and i've seen on so many podcasts the

00:50:07.740 discussion about alternative media us um and and the growing prominence of it um and and the need

00:50:16.140 for it and that still obviously there are some people that are watching cbc and global and and

00:50:22.620 and um ctv but i put it to you as a soldier in 1972 in the army we used to call the cbc the

00:50:31.660 canadian the communist broadcasting corporation and that was in 1972 because it was pierre trudeau

00:50:38.940 telling us that that mayo and fidel castro and khrushchev were the best form of government in

00:50:45.580 the world and cbc backing it so so we've always had that challenge and so it's finding ways

00:50:51.820 to build a free and independent media again and so that's iterative and we're getting there um

00:50:59.820 i i'm going to jump sideways for just a minute when when i was a young officer a captain i was

00:51:05.340 posted after my first two operational tours back to teach young people and we were forced to watch

00:51:10.380 a video it was called you are what you are were when you can still google it it's in two parts

00:51:16.140 and basically the premise really fast is you are what you were brought up by your parents and your

00:51:22.300 school and your your first jobs and and you can't break who you are without a significant emotional

00:51:29.500 event and that military training the full entire purpose of basic training is to take you from who

00:51:36.860 you were and turn you into somebody who would defend your country and be prepared to give your

00:51:42.060 life because your parents didn't say run in front of bullets it's fun okay so somewhere along the

00:51:47.740 line this ends and you have to start a new life and in 13 weeks you could do that and there's a

00:51:54.620 way to unfortunately now we're talking about a country you are what you were when and how do we

00:52:01.980 now start to walk forward in an incremental way forward you can either do it the way i propose

00:52:08.780 which is through an iterative process and try to get canadians to be more involved and understand

00:52:14.940 the six national interests and why the canadian armed forces isn't a nice to have it's the force

00:52:20.220 of last resort there's 10 things make up national security the very last one is the caf it's not the

00:52:26.780 first it's the last right so how do you do that so you can either do it through meaningful iterative

00:52:32.700 discussions with the people like angela and kathy are trying to start for alberta but i'm talking

00:52:39.340 the whole country because if we don't do that i truly believe that within less than five years

00:52:46.620 probably less than two canada is about to go through the great depression just like my parents 0.81

00:52:53.020 did in the 1930s or world war iii with communist china one of those two things is going to happen

00:53:00.940 unless there's a significant change in the world and in particular in canada for the depression

00:53:06.700 in the next two years and so that significant emotional event groups like this if that does

00:53:13.820 happen you have to be ready to help canadians walk back out the other way being resilient canadians

00:53:25.180 well yeah well i didn't expect that but how can canada uh being the country that is small country

00:53:30.940 not all that influential do this. How can it assure these things don't happen? Just little

00:53:36.320 old Canada here up in the north. Of course, we sit just above the United States of America.

00:53:41.820 Okay. Let's divide it into two parts. Let's talk about the Great Depression.

00:53:46.440 If we actually free our private sector to rebuild our country and remove the ridiculous

00:53:55.540 legislation that's been put in place to freeze them in place within three years we can have

00:54:02.440 some pretty significant projects either in the ground or already running if we bring investment

00:54:09.440 back into our country we can stop the great depression if we don't we won't that's in my 0.77

00:54:17.160 opinion communist china if you haven't talked to people like sam cooper and and uh scott mcgregor 0.96

00:54:24.280 and Mitchell, the mosaic effect.

00:54:28.280 China is all through our country. 0.94

00:54:30.640 I'm an ex-intelligence officer, ex-counterterrorism. 1.00

00:54:34.360 I know this.

00:54:35.760 They are everywhere. 0.62

00:54:36.740 They're running the cartels.

00:54:37.960 They are running the United Front Work Department.

00:54:41.160 They are funding activities in every one of our major cities.

00:54:45.400 But more insidious, they're running stuff in our schools.

00:54:47.960 They're running stuff all across our country.

00:54:50.240 We can stop that.

00:54:51.560 we have to choose to stop that okay so so there's if we cease to be the landing pad for communist 0.54

00:55:01.700 china in canada through the cartels through the united work front department through uh the cartel

00:55:07.080 the the the other groups that are operating funded fully by china with our knowledge

00:55:13.180 you can't tell me you haven't seen it on tv just like me i mean i'm not talking about secret stuff

00:55:19.200 They're funding all orders of government in our country, from British Columbia to Prince

00:55:24.100 St. Rhode Island.

00:55:24.820 There was just the huge expose on the money laundering in PEI through the casinos and

00:55:29.140 the complete takeover of the government of PEI and the government of ECI and the government

00:55:33.420 of Vancouver and the government of the cities in our country.

00:55:36.780 We, the citizens, have a say.

00:55:40.360 But if we choose not to, within two years, the United States either has to remove China 0.99

00:55:45.180 from our grounds or china will come in in force and and believe it can get away with it and china 0.97

00:55:50.460 doesn't just want taiwan let's be honest china has made very public its intentions by 2049 to be the 0.50

00:55:59.100 only superpower in the world the only that means the united states doesn't exist as a superpower

00:56:06.620 so we're doing our part to help them right now we need to stop that but that means there's got

00:56:14.140 to be some kind of change in the canadian public go ahead angela sure well i was just gonna say

00:56:20.860 you know dave what you're saying i mean in sitting and talking with albertans especially over the

00:56:26.940 last year and i don't know how many hundreds maybe even thousands of people that i've sat with and

00:56:30.940 talked with um what you are describing with the whole problem with china and going into a great

00:56:38.940 Depression, many, many, many, many Albertans are very, very aware of that, that see it coming.

00:56:47.560 And although ideally, it would be wonderful for Canada as a whole to make that break,

00:56:57.460 as you have described, I think a lot of Albertans have gotten to the point where it's like, yeah,

00:57:03.060 we are down to a shorter time period, like you're saying two years, and people are looking at another

00:57:08.260 four years of the liberal government to the point where they're saying our only lifeboat right now

00:57:15.140 is alberta independence and to make that break i mean that definitely would be a break

00:57:21.540 now does that come without other consequences of course it doesn't um maybe greater consequences

00:57:28.180 than most of us would understand and you with your life experience and where you have served

00:57:33.860 throughout the world would know better than a lot of us would however in looking at that situation

00:57:39.860 where it's like we've got to make a break we're coming down to the wire where we're going to end

00:57:44.740 up with a really bad situation for a lot of people alberta independence is looking like that

00:57:50.900 okay hate to do it but this is the only viable option that can happen quickly enough to possibly 0.97

00:57:59.540 make that break number one you won't save alberta because the chinese won't let you and neither will 0.98

00:58:06.660 the americans and and when you start if you look at geopolitics the the countries that that dominate 0.82

00:58:13.860 the next hundred years have access to both the atlantic and the pacific canada the united states

00:58:18.740 and mexico are the only three in reality that can do that so we can either do that as a really

00:58:24.820 realistic and strong partner with our friends for the south or they'll do it for us and when they do

00:58:31.060 it for us there's an ancient saying every country has an army theirs or somebody else's and and so

00:58:37.540 i'm at the stage now you know when the freedom i'm the guy that wrote the blockade support plan

00:58:42.740 for the government of alberta on how to stop people that are blockading infrastructure

00:58:47.460 inappropriately in particular critical infrastructure um back in i did that back in

00:58:52.500 counterterrorism days and so when the freedom convoy first started um i went this isn't going

00:59:00.340 to turn out well because sooner or later they're going to start blocking critical infrastructure

00:59:04.660 and somebody's going to have to do something but the movement itself changed the world

00:59:13.060 and so a movement like that can change canada there is ways to stop our current federal

00:59:21.220 government and make them take notice but it can't be solely sourced or originate from alberta

00:59:29.940 right if you want to get central canada's attention it's about time that the people 0.98

00:59:34.420 of central canada realized what they're about to lose and and stupid little things start to 0.93

00:59:40.660 give you an indication remember when ralph klein got rid of the the two king heirs um and and i

00:59:46.900 was working for ralph klein at the time and i thought it was a terrible decision and we can

00:59:50.580 into that discussion another time but doug ford tried to get away with a little learjet for himself

00:59:56.660 to jet around and the citizens went not on our dime the citizens are at the point all across

01:00:03.460 this country in particular the rules but some of the urbans too and so it's finding a spark

01:00:10.260 and a spark that isn't just in alberta because um we can have a serious discussion about national

01:00:18.100 security and the national security side but if you don't have an intelligence service if you don't

01:00:23.940 have a border service if you don't have an immigration service in place now it won't be

01:00:31.060 ready in two years right so you have to start having those serious discussions and they won't 0.91

01:00:38.660 be enough to stop the u.s going you're still a threat because of china because of so we need 0.50

01:00:46.980 to elevate the discussion strategically operationally and tactically and we need to have the

01:00:51.940 discussion what iteration looks like and we need to bring other people at the grassroots level into

01:00:58.660 the discussion and that's why i wrote the paper and and don't get me wrong um i'm i'm as pessimistic

01:01:06.900 about some things in life but my wife always calls me pollyanna um because i never give up

01:01:12.980 i keep churning and that's why i wrote the paper and all the rest of it and yes i do understand

01:01:18.180 all the terrible things that have happened to alberta in the history of our country but stop

01:01:22.180 being a victim and start building a solution okay and separation may sound wonderful it's gonna be

01:01:33.540 um okay one little story um everybody try and remember where you were on october 30th 1995.

01:01:43.620 because i'll tell you exactly where i was i was sitting on a concrete floor with my entire

01:01:48.660 battalion sitting on the floor around me and we sat there till 4 30 in the morning with one

01:01:55.060 crappy little black and white tv set watching the referendum in quebec

01:02:01.780 one quarter of my battalion were french canadians remember i told you i had soldiers from the whole

01:02:06.900 country. Tons from Maritimes, lots from the West, a whole whack from Central Canada. And we sat on

01:02:14.760 the floor watching that vote count because, number one, we were in the middle of a freaking horrific 0.98

01:02:21.760 civil war and watching Christians do unbelievable things to Christians all around us every day. 0.94

01:02:29.960 Wives killing husbands in their beds at night. Husbands murdering and raping women in the streets. 1.00

01:02:36.260 just unbelievable every day so we're watching this referendum wondering if we had a country 0.98

01:02:42.980 to go home to and one quarter of my battalion wondering if even they were to rip their

01:02:49.520 Canadian flags off their shirts so all these things in our lives form our opinions okay and

01:02:55.900 they served that night certainly had an impact on me and all the soldiers in my battalion and so

01:03:00.940 civil war is a horrible thing and everybody thinks that this will be an emotionless separation

01:03:07.540 I put it to you it won't I watched it happen in front of my eyes and I know that there are

01:03:15.820 the same players who are trying to divide our country up right now and divide our citizens

01:03:21.780 against each other aren't just going to down tools while this discussion carries on they're 0.93

01:03:27.140 going to try and destroy the anyone that pushes back against them and countries like china and

01:03:36.340 iran the irgc the largest concentration of the islamic revolutionary guard in the world is in

01:03:43.620 canada people don't know that they think it's in the middle east so we need to have a discussion 0.97

01:03:49.620 about how to lift our whole country out of this threat i i would say to you dave that people in

01:03:56.500 alberta we do not see ourselves as victims i don't think i'm a victim i think i'm being abused

01:04:01.860 we think that the solution is not canada we don't ever think we're going to get a fair

01:04:07.060 shake from the liberals we don't think that peer poly and the conservatives are going to

01:04:11.060 come to our rescue we don't think things will change because uh what dictates what happens

01:04:16.660 in canada happens out east and alberta is out west and that's why we want out so i don't see

01:04:22.340 us as victims at all uh we're we're determined we're determined here when we're ready to fight

01:04:27.460 back that's what i'm saying to you well i if you're ready to fight back then yeah then then

01:04:33.620 that's wonderful but i put it to you that you may be surprised that you don't represent all of

01:04:41.060 alberta no and i know that we need we need a a question that is agreed upon and we need a clear

01:04:49.940 majority okay don't don't get me wrong i am a 100 support supporter of the referendum

01:04:58.340 because we haven't well i mean but are you a 100 supporter of alberta independence so yeah

01:05:04.580 you're obviously not no i'm not and and i think i'm starting you know i've only done about

01:05:11.060 you know 50 of or less of my reasons why but but and and i know we'll never agree and that's fine

01:05:18.740 that's what democracy is all about right and so to me i have tried by the paper and by the

01:05:25.780 discussions and and the people i've met with and the presentations because the many of the leaders

01:05:31.700 of the separatist movement are my friends i know well they talk to me all the time i go to dinner

01:05:37.780 with them right it's not like and and so they always ask me the question well what what would

01:05:43.220 you do if there was a referendum which i'm hoping there will be and if more than 51 of of the

01:05:50.660 province voted for separation and i'm very clear number one i'm 72 years old and getting older by

01:05:56.740 the day i would have a family meeting with my three children and my six grandchildren and ask

01:06:01.300 them where they're going to live if they choose alberta then i'll do everything to make their

01:06:06.020 life as good as i can if they choose somewhere else to go i'll go with them because i'm 72

01:06:12.100 and i'm not the guy that's going to lead a country out of a mess i'm just a guy to try and give the

01:06:18.500 tools to citizens to make their lives better and you've given us a lot to think about for sure and

01:06:28.100 and not just your paper but what you've shared tonight which is awesome i think we've had some

01:06:32.660 good questions john that have popped up yeah do we want to address a couple of those or or do we

01:06:39.380 need to go back a little bit further into unity is there more to say about that yeah this is

01:06:45.220 interesting um i want to get to this because i was thinking this as well and and jacqueline littler

01:06:52.020 uh she sent this question and this is actually something i had as the concluding question and

01:06:58.420 i'm going to read what she says and it's very similar to what i was thinking after reading your

01:07:03.780 paper dave canada is far too big to be governed by a place in ottawa and our values are different

01:07:12.260 and my question was with the diverse opinions and voices across the country some would call

01:07:18.020 them distinct societies you will remember that from 95 that was in the referendum there distinct

01:07:24.020 society in the east coast i think we're a distinct society here in the west differences in political

01:07:29.300 beliefs, is Canada too large, spread out too much to have this unity you talk about? Thank you,

01:07:35.880 Jacqueline, for your question, because you were thinking a lot like me.

01:07:38.860 So the answer in one word is no. And the reason is very simple to explain.

01:07:45.180 Is the United States too large to be a country?

01:07:50.620 No, but they have a different setup.

01:07:53.180 Of course they do. And Canada can have a different setup too. And why?

01:07:59.300 even though they have democrats and republicans and independents that fight constantly that have

01:08:06.260 distinct societies do you think louisiana i after i'm sure i agree yeah they have distinct societies

01:08:12.100 all over so do i believe it's possible absolutely do i think canadians want it i think it's up to

01:08:19.140 canadians how many years did you say before depression or world war three two two years

01:08:27.380 two three more years plus a little of the liberals so that's pretty much guaranteed

01:08:31.700 don't you think is it three more years with the liberals yeah yeah they've got a majority right

01:08:35.460 now they'll be 20 29 canadians remove that majority through a scandal which scandal is

01:08:41.860 going to be enough to piss canadians off to overthrow their own government legally

01:08:49.540 at what point in time do the liberal backbenchers realize that canadians have turned on them

01:08:55.460 in their constituencies and not vote with their government and bring their own government down

01:09:02.580 there are so many reasons why this government may not survive and and the scandals come every day

01:09:11.300 at what point in time do liberal voters in their constituencies say enough i don't know you've

01:09:19.620 you've mentioned here in this conversation that we you know you mentioned the we scandal and people

01:09:24.980 got a little about a little bit upset about that for less than a week really and we've had others

01:09:30.820 and it hasn't brought this government down but the charm offensive from trudeau was still on

01:09:35.320 and i really think canadians are seeing carney differently i i think you're seeing yet the

01:09:43.540 majority but i think people are seeing his connections to his 143 declared conflicts of

01:09:51.200 interest and what he's doing with them every day and his flip-flop on China and his flip-flop

01:09:57.520 I think Canadians I I give them more credit but Dave people see Donald Trump as a bigger threat

01:10:08.060 than communist China that's what they've convinced the elbows up people the gray hairs who voted for

01:10:16.280 him back on april 28th and he came out with a speech just on the weekend reiterating the same 0.60

01:10:22.600 thing and talked about the great satan he didn't use those words but it was brought up over and

01:10:28.680 over and over again because it works it works it does what do you in in your opinion what

01:10:36.680 do you think is going to happen on july 1st with kuzma what do i think is going to happen

01:10:44.040 and what brings on the great depression that i'm talking about if it's not world war three

01:10:49.720 donald trump will end kuzma and i know all the rules that it goes for 10 years and all the rest

01:10:55.800 of it donald trump will use tariffs he will declare us as a national security threat and

01:11:01.960 carney has give him every single thing he needs and kuzma will die and there will be tariffs on 0.61

01:11:09.960 every good in canada because we're putting terrorists on u.s goods and they're pretending 0.75

01:11:15.720 for right now they went silent did you not see them go silent in february and not talk about it

01:11:22.040 because iran the fish in iran to fry and then maybe a little time in cuba that won't take long

01:11:28.360 because they're not attacking iran they're not attacking cuba they're attacking china 0.83

01:11:32.280 right that's what they're doing all these moves are to disrupt china and china is the threat 0.93

01:11:39.000 in canada to the u.s and june end of june it will be our turn and that will cause canadians to go

01:11:49.720 well if trump is the only threat why are we now in the bread lines i don't know if

01:11:57.240 angela if you were at the uh at the national citizens inquiry in april of 2022 when uh

01:12:04.440 regina gorman talked i actually um yeah i i quote the only she she was tortured for nine months

01:12:12.440 in a prison uh because she was one of the original members of solidarity and she said nobody would

01:12:18.280 join solidarity until they had to line up for bread that was her direct quote and afterwards

01:12:25.800 she came to me because i had been there at the time and uh and we had a great big hug and picture

01:12:31.880 but that stuck with me nobody wanted to join solidarity until they had to line up for bread

01:12:37.160 when 25 of canadian youth are unemployed when do they hit the streets well no i've heard i've had

01:12:44.920 people say that to me you know people will realize they're in real deep trouble you know i've said

01:12:48.760 canada's got to hit rock bottom before things will get better that's what i've said and people have

01:12:53.240 said you know when people start starving and they can't afford food and they are in bread lines

01:12:57.880 out so you say it's going to come that quick you think people i say that's when he's going to take

01:13:05.160 action and can well certainly within two years will feel the effects but doesn't this this

01:13:11.880 brainwashing about trump does and how does this how does this wear off this is just donald trump

01:13:16.840 attacking in canada again right this is a rupture as carney calls it number one we have to empower

01:13:23.240 canadians to realize that what happens in canada is canada's problem and canadians can solve

01:13:28.840 canada's problem donald trump is no different than grant in in right at the end of the american

01:13:35.400 civil war saying i've got a million men in arms let's go take canada and the reason he didn't is

01:13:40.920 it wasn't worth his time the reason it wasn't worth his time is number one we unified and built

01:13:46.200 to great railroad and number two we said we'll do our part so the way to stop trumpism is for

01:13:53.800 canada to wake up and do its part and stop poking america in the nose and become the reliable

01:13:59.640 partner that we were through the 70s the 80s the 90s and the 2000s right and until we do donald

01:14:08.280 trump will keep whacking us and yeah alberta will get a little respite because he loves our oil

01:14:13.000 short of that he'll come for us next because he can't let any piece of canada be open to

01:14:21.860 interference from the enemy that says it will be the only superpower you have to look at it

01:14:28.460 geopolitically right and and so donald trump will thank us very much for oil and if we want to become

01:14:34.680 a state great my position has always been i'm a canadian i'll die canadian i don't want to be an

01:14:40.420 american either right i served with the americans i love the americans i lived in california for

01:14:45.940 two years getting my postgrad i went to school with the fast attack boys with the u.s marines with

01:14:51.380 the they're good friends i really like them but i'm a canadian and we think differently we really do

01:15:02.100 because if alberta goes alone within a decade we'll be a state

01:15:06.020 so i think i think it's not to be pardon me i'm sorry trump and those who follow him

01:15:14.240 yeah angela's the other thing i always say is trump is 80 he won't be around forever folks

01:15:18.860 but are you ready for the next biden because the democrats are lining them up but aren't but but

01:15:25.580 the the um the argument or the discussion has been that carney's waiting for midterms which

01:15:31.820 coming up this year uh and they'll neuter trump maybe the democrats will win who knows i mean i

01:15:37.500 i think they're i think they're well pardon the expression batshit crazy but but that's what i

01:15:42.940 think yeah but i think maybe that's what carney's trying to do wait trump out for midterm elections

01:15:48.860 which are coming up right now he's not rotting as high in the polls iran isn't working out

01:15:53.740 quite the way it comes before the midterms and so does kuzma yes it does yes it does so you think

01:16:00.460 you think we're probably within a year of standing in red lines in canada i i think if we don't

01:16:05.500 change what we're doing trump will make sure that our economy gets so bad that we start to listen

01:16:14.540 okay so one way or another i just find it difficult that you know the liberals just

01:16:21.420 managed managed to work out a majority government and they're going to be around for a while um do

01:16:26.940 Do you actually think MPs are going to start turning on Mark Carney?

01:16:31.720 To be honest with you, I think there is a group of Canadians who are very unhappy with how he got his majority.

01:16:42.240 Let's be very clear. The floor crossers aren't suddenly liberals. 1.00

01:16:49.380 They are in it for, as I said in the pandemic, they are there for self gain. 1.00

01:16:53.320 and Canadians are sick and tired of politicians and their self-gain 1.00

01:16:57.900 and all the Carney scandals added together with the floor crossers' self-gain 0.98

01:17:03.620 is changing a mood in Canadians as a group. 0.99

01:17:08.920 Now, it was already there for 41% of Canadians, okay,

01:17:13.460 the ones that voted conservative in the last election.

01:17:15.960 Let's just add 10 more percent because there comes a point in time

01:17:20.340 where constituency offices are where people express their anger. 0.55

01:17:27.140 And I can tell you, some of them, like Marilyn Gladue,

01:17:29.860 those constituency offices have seen a lot of anger.

01:17:34.080 And so it's going to start happening to the backbenchers in the Liberal Party.

01:17:37.820 When are you going to get rid of this guy?

01:17:39.660 How long are you going to put up with the destruction of our country

01:17:43.440 for certain ministers' self-gain?

01:17:46.980 yeah my sister lives in maryland gladi who's riding down sarnia lampton and 0.95

01:17:52.520 why she was absolutely incensed and sad it was incredibly depressed she called and complained

01:18:01.960 but i just don't why don't we use this opportunity i was always taught in the army that every

01:18:07.900 challenge presents an opportunity right in combat but in life as well why don't we use

01:18:16.000 this opportunity of growing discontent because of these feelings to build the movement with

01:18:23.520 citizens and give them the words six national interests a better vision for our country

01:18:30.360 let's talk about what canada will look like in 25 years i'd love to have this that discussion

01:18:35.680 with with yourself john and with angela and with and and let's just let let's frame out

01:18:42.580 what canada could be in 25 years and why forget the current politics canada all alone what would

01:18:49.540 we want it to look like right and then empower people to have that discussion based on six

01:18:54.020 national interests and have these meaningful because unity is cornerstone with national

01:18:59.540 security and without the two trump will have his way china will have its way someone will have their

01:19:05.460 way but it won't be us it's been interesting seeing some of the comments popping up um from

01:19:14.420 from some some of the things that people are saying you know they're feeling that they're

01:19:17.940 kind of powerless in this situation because as you've stated we're waiting for the liberal

01:19:24.100 voters to come to themselves and to go and talk to their mps and to start to kind of raise some

01:19:30.900 hell there right and i think albertans in a lot of ways we're very tired of waiting or feeling

01:19:37.540 that our votes don't count they're calling the election before we've even started counting our

01:19:42.500 votes that type of thing i know from talking to albertans many people feel that there's some hope

01:19:49.460 and some empowerment in the idea of alberta independence um i can totally live in a vacuum

01:19:56.660 might agree but geopolitics say we don't live in a vacuum and i understand that and i very much get

01:20:03.700 that um can you see in any way one of the questions that came up was if we were to have a positive

01:20:11.700 referendum it triggers negotiations with the rest of the country could that serve as that wake-up

01:20:19.620 call that canadians need yes definitely but you better be ready to discuss all six national

01:20:29.220 interests and to get the people to take the the country to take you seriously right and so when

01:20:36.820 we get to the national security one we really need to have a drill down in all 10 elements

01:20:42.580 but the the work i've seen so far is excellent like keith wilson and and all the folks that

01:20:49.700 that have written all the papers and all the rest of it um i'm going to be talking with keith when

01:20:55.140 he comes out to debate kenny at uh at uh civitas right i'm a speaker at civitas and so when he's

01:21:01.460 there i really want to sit down and have a long talk with keith and and the work on the economic

01:21:07.140 prosperity and growth is wonderful the early discussions about that governance are good

01:21:15.140 but not anywhere near far enough but you need you need to frame all six and we really need to have

01:21:21.860 a really deep dive when you get to societal well-being to talk about our education system

01:21:28.100 and how we're going to make resilient canadians again or resilient albertans and and starting at

01:21:35.940 junior kindergarten going up because we have to do it with parents i'm a strong believer in the

01:21:41.700 family unit but we have to convince parents to stop being bulldozer parents well and that's why

01:21:48.340 we're having this series right is because i totally agree with you that we have done a 0.96

01:21:52.900 wonderful job looking at the economic but when i'm sitting with women it usually goes far beyond the 0.79

01:21:59.940 economics a lot of them go oh yeah yeah okay got it but what about my freedoms what about my 0.91

01:22:05.060 children's opportunities not just economically but to live a life a free life and that's what

01:22:12.180 you don't have freedom unless you defend it exactly exactly great gazoo says i think alberta

01:22:20.100 independence will end up being a western canada and eastern canada alberta will be the catalyst

01:22:25.700 for this it it may i'm not um a great fortune teller i put it to the u.s can't allow that to

01:22:34.500 happen i believe in geopolitics so you think you think donald trump and the united states of

01:22:44.100 america is going to stop the albertia independence movement i no no i don't i believe it's in his

01:22:49.540 interest for us to separate to fracture our country more it makes us easier and and stop

01:22:56.100 stop blaming so he's got he's going to absorb destiny prior for pre pre-donald trump they

01:23:03.300 can't allow their sworn enemy to live on their borders and the more canada becomes fractured the

01:23:10.820 more reality that becomes and so he's got nothing against albert independence he'd love to make a

01:23:16.660 a deal with us it's in his best interest at a time yeah i can see right okay all right so um yeah

01:23:27.940 it's just interesting i'm waiting for kuzma well actually i'm not because i'm terrified evolution

01:23:37.940 or revolution and and i always come back to that i'm a guy i lived all through the middle east

01:23:43.140 with my rifle all they just i know where this can go because people's good intentions don't

01:23:49.860 end up that way and even within the the separation movement i always go back to the story in fact i

01:23:56.100 just had this discussion with one of your the big organizers and i said you do realize that trotsky

01:24:02.420 got an ice pick through the eye you know so so there can be a whole group of people leading the

01:24:07.380 separation movement but there can only be one at the end right and and so internally

01:24:14.260 the fracturization will happen the once the vote comes in and people realize that maybe they've got

01:24:20.900 a mandate things start to dissolve internally and people will help them dissolve internally

01:24:27.460 the enemies of the citizens of canada and the enemies of the citizens of alberta they will

01:24:32.500 intentionally try to fracture the separation movement in order to get what they want which

01:24:38.540 is control of our province and i'm not blaming the u.s i'm blaming irgc cabals when a country

01:24:45.720 fails who profits the most cartels and they're here they're everywhere here okay so alberta

01:24:54.900 alberta nan for independence says his theory is sound but there's no time to implement it in

01:25:01.660 canada yeah that's a good point i mean you're talking about somebody coming up with a plan to

01:25:06.680 save canada now you're talking you're talking within months kuzma's going to be here you're

01:25:12.060 talking within a couple of years a depression you're talking within a few years possibly world

01:25:16.840 war three are we at a time citizens now have to start having these discussions and i don't mean

01:25:25.900 just in a non-meaningful way and they have to grab whatever order of government they have most

01:25:31.740 influence with and try and move the goalposts faster but we're nowhere near that right now dave

01:25:39.820 i know but if we don't start we never will be and that's exactly what's been happening

01:25:44.780 we've been going this way not this way not we've been going down not up and until we at least

01:25:52.300 stop the decline of citizen involvement in their government we we've got to be at least in a

01:25:58.940 position where we have the framework in our minds of how we're going to re-engage and rebuild it

01:26:07.260 let's say just for sake of argument that carney does something in the next four weeks that cause

01:26:15.580 serious unrest in the country how do you how do you utilize it how do you have that discussion

01:26:23.180 because if you just go oh we'll wait and see what happens that's where we are right now

01:26:28.380 that's where we work during colvin anyone premier i'm sorry what was that pardon me

01:26:37.260 well i was just gonna say i totally agree with you dave i am just afraid that we're to the point

01:26:42.940 where so many canadians are asleep at the wheel that that to wake them up and and you know you

01:26:51.660 talk about like the we scandal and all these different scandals and they have not been enough

01:26:58.620 and so it's like what is it going to take is it going to take bread lines is that what it's going

01:27:02.460 to take and so maybe yeah but if people aren't ready when that happens it'll go much longer

01:27:11.100 right and and so i i my wife always calls me pollyanna i truly believe that you've got one

01:27:20.200 premier in this country that if was given stronger backing by people can really start to be a voice

01:27:28.940 and and and if we get to the point where the pipeline clearly and we all know it's coming 1.00

01:27:34.460 is a game, she's got to get real mad and have the citizens behind her to say, enough, right? 1.00

01:27:43.540 And then take some other premiers with her and then take, you got to start somewhere. 0.97

01:27:50.180 And if we just abandoned Polly Evan, abandoned Daniel Smith and abandoned Scott Moe,

01:27:56.660 and he pisses me off, but if we can't at least start to be a coalition of the willing

01:28:03.100 to rebuild against countries like China, the IRGC, the cartels, in our own country.

01:28:13.700 Forget Donald Trump.

01:28:14.960 If we can't start managing our society better and throw them out of our institutions,

01:28:19.420 like our schools, like I'll take you back to my counterterrorism days.

01:28:24.500 The planes hit on September 11th.

01:28:26.900 We built an entire counterterrorism process in our province

01:28:29.780 that the government of the United States adopted.

01:28:33.000 Do you realize that?

01:28:34.080 They came and shopped what we had.

01:28:36.780 But one of the things we learned from our intelligence services,

01:28:40.340 which are now being absolutely ridiculed by our current government, 0.83

01:28:45.080 best friend is China, the intelligence services is telling them

01:28:48.520 they're out to kill us, we found out within a month

01:28:54.500 that the largest concentration of ISIS and al-Qaeda

01:28:59.300 were in Fort McMurray, outside of the Middle East.

01:29:04.320 Why? 1.00

01:29:05.160 Because they were raising money like rat shit, okay? 1.00

01:29:09.960 Brothels, drugs, all that stuff. 1.00

01:29:13.760 And they loved us. 1.00

01:29:16.900 Just leave us.

01:29:18.720 Now they're doing it in the open.

01:29:20.320 We've got the cartels owned, all of British Columbia.

01:29:22.960 We've got them owning Prince Edward Island.

01:29:25.920 We as citizens at least have to stop that.

01:29:30.940 And we can.

01:29:32.880 Let me ask you this.

01:29:34.520 I'm sorry, go ahead.

01:29:35.320 You go ahead.

01:29:35.720 No, no, go ahead, John.

01:29:36.640 Go ahead.

01:29:37.540 Well, let me ask you this.

01:29:38.720 So if what you say is true about the Alberta independence movement and the challenges that are coming, maybe ask your advice.

01:29:47.720 What should we do to ensure that doesn't happen?

01:29:50.280 Or is there anything that can be done?

01:29:52.480 i i think the the alberta independence movement number one start needs to start talking about all

01:29:58.080 six national interests and clearly define a 25-year vision i think that will inspire others

01:30:04.960 okay i really do other other provinces okay so have them announce a 25-year vision for alberta

01:30:12.960 and clearly articulate all the sub bullets in all six national interests

01:30:18.480 angela has all my slides with them all subdivided right and and stop talking just about the

01:30:25.440 injustices that have been done to alberta and that we're going to get rid of equalization and that

01:30:30.560 they always take our money and then start talking about a vision top-down vision brought through

01:30:37.760 groups like angela's from the bottom up to to inspire a complete discussion about what does

01:30:44.880 unity mean for alberta in the future what rights and freedoms are we really talking about how are

01:30:49.600 we going to make an independent media as part of our good governments may i angela i'll i'm sorry

01:30:56.800 for jumping in and i have another question here well let me let me ask you this then dave you're

01:31:03.280 you're in favor of a referendum question you believe in democracy you're not necessarily in

01:31:08.320 favor of we call it independence not separation by the way we'll just straighten that out

01:31:12.480 but you talked to keith wilson you know members or the people who are involved in the independence

01:31:18.240 movement would you be willing to help do that to help i would be willing to have a complete

01:31:25.040 workshop on the six national interests define a country and a 25-year vision with them fully

01:31:31.680 understanding that i don't support independence and they do but i know some of them hate my guts

01:31:39.040 and others love me so and they hate my guts simply because they want to be king some of them and

01:31:46.960 they don't understand that i never want to be a king i'm 72 years old i'm done with that yeah

01:31:52.400 and that's the leadership that we need to be staying away from right i mean if we if we want

01:31:57.040 to create something that has a 25 year vision that is prosperous that is lasting that is stable

01:32:05.920 we can't keep doing the same things that we have been doing or have been subjected to by the

01:32:13.620 politicians over the past 40 years it has to be different and so yeah if there are those that

01:32:20.440 will be kings please just recuse yourself right now but they won't they won't be i don't i don't

01:32:26.980 know anybody you know i i'm i'm i'm kind of privileged here to be able to talk to these

01:32:33.500 people. And I've spoken to most of them on here on my, on my YouTube channel. And I don't know

01:32:38.840 anybody that wants to be the King right now. Now, who knows what will happen? I don't have a crystal

01:32:43.920 ball, but I don't know anybody like that, Dave, in the movement right now. And what I'm seeing

01:32:49.120 is a growing solidarity, if we can use that word here in Alberta. Solidarities are knit till they

01:32:56.120 get 51 percent then solidarity falls to pieces lenin stalin and trotsky were the best friends

01:33:03.200 in the universe and then they worked okay we got one here from laurie f i want to bring this up

01:33:10.780 she said i wish david's analytics were 10 years ago it's too late now a blunt cut needs to sever

01:33:16.720 the control of ottawa we will not survive otherwise great i hope you have a plan well that's

01:33:24.480 Well, you're going to help us, Dave, because I haven't seen it yet.

01:33:30.880 And I've seen some really great documents from some really smart people,

01:33:35.680 but they haven't covered the six national interests.

01:33:38.280 They've covered one really well and touched on others.

01:33:41.880 Okay.

01:33:42.480 I would love to hear, you know, as we go through the next few weeks here,

01:33:47.680 because we're doing Mondays and Thursdays, Mondays and Thursdays for the next,

01:33:52.080 you know, we're going to do seven total.

01:33:53.880 I would love to hear your analysis after after hearing some of the ideas of other folks on these different national interests.

01:34:03.060 Maybe at the end, we need to bring you back in and just ask for it.

01:34:06.040 Like, what do you think? Have we missed something?

01:34:09.500 Well, yeah. And if I might, just before you answer, Dave, you know, maybe this series of interviews could bring you back.

01:34:18.080 and you could have Mitch Sylvester on here or Keith Wilson or both or others on to discuss this

01:34:24.040 because we're looking for a leg up here.

01:34:27.920 We're feeling pretty positive about what's happening here.

01:34:30.780 You're bringing some negativity into this, obviously, 0.82

01:34:34.360 but perhaps that would be something interesting to hear from the Women's Independent Network.

01:34:39.260 That would be a good one, I think.

01:34:40.440 yeah well i i hope i hope what i'm what i'm trying to get people to understand is that

01:34:47.280 geopolitics is real that it's not a side discussion it is the predominant discussion

01:34:52.540 it is the first bullet on national security geopolitics then you get to intelligence services

01:34:59.000 and so alberta needs every one of those bullets but they need to start with a realistic appreciation

01:35:05.580 where they are and they need to answer the question is our aim to be americans or is it to

01:35:11.760 be independent because i've seen two different answers come out of the independence movement

01:35:17.760 oh yeah yeah and you know what dave like it's eyes wide open and this is the thing you know

01:35:23.780 when i'm sitting with with ladies and men in these various meetings it's like we're not going to

01:35:28.460 sugarcoat this let's not sugarcoat this this there's no ideal answer to the situation that

01:35:35.280 we find ourselves in there is none um it doesn't matter which way we go there's going to be road

01:35:41.400 blocks and there's going to be different things that we're going to obstacles that we're going

01:35:45.280 to have to overcome um but what does encourage me and this is why i really want to talk to you

01:35:50.820 about unity is because i and i see this so many times where these women come in they sit down

01:36:00.060 you see the worry and the trepidation on their faces and through this conversation eyes wide open

01:36:09.260 through this conversation we build a community and they leave with a sense of hope that you know what

01:36:19.020 i now have my people i have had this conversation i'm a part of it now and i can contribute

01:36:25.900 something and whether we separate from canada or stay in canada that is needed that is so needed

01:36:36.220 we have been so isolated and i mean covid was just like so in your face like you must be isolated

01:36:43.580 but even before that with the the divide and conquer tactics that are constantly used on us by

01:36:49.180 lazy politicians we need to come together and we need to have that unity and like i have some

01:36:55.900 questions for you about what does it practically look like like the practicality of it for example

01:37:01.420 immigration immigration is something that is needed but how do we what would what are the

01:37:09.180 practical steps that we would take in a good immigration system to ensure that we're bringing

01:37:14.540 people in that have those same shared values and ethics that you've talked about we used to have it

01:37:20.300 and so the the the the exact point of that i want to circle right back to where you started

01:37:27.260 you bring women in and you have these discussions the question is do you have unity of ethics values

01:37:36.380 and beliefs with more than 70 percent of all burdens i put it to you you don't right and and

01:37:44.940 and i'm prepared to have a debate on that in terms of urban versus rural and what's important but if

01:37:51.020 you do achieve that then you need to define an immigration policy because immigration links

01:37:57.180 directly to unity and one of the values that i am unequivocal on i will not change is the rights of

01:38:04.380 women maybe maybe you don't remember but uh i was brought up in a household where my mother

01:38:10.940 was madder than hell that she couldn't join until 1941 so i was raised by a very strong and

01:38:16.140 opinionated mother and thank goodness i was because she helped build me who i was and one

01:38:21.100 of the things she was livid about was that when she joined the armed forces in 1941 she couldn't

01:38:26.700 call herself a canadian so that's part of why i'm so proud to be no we weren't canadians till 1949

01:38:34.060 on her enrollment documents she had to choose irish english scottish if she could not choose

01:38:41.820 canadian and so i was brought up to be fiercely proud of being a canadian and that it took

01:38:47.100 so much effort to become canadians right so are the women today that fierce and that proud 1.00

01:38:55.260 of being albertans that they are prepared to demand legislation to not allow muslims to 1.00

01:39:03.180 immigrate to alberta in any way shape or fashion because they do not believe in equality for women 0.97

01:39:10.300 period don't tell me about good muslims and bad muslims don't agree that women are equal 0.92

01:39:18.060 so who else doesn't agree that women are equal now walk through your unity define what your ethics

01:39:23.900 and truths are because that's how you define a country when a group of people who share common

01:39:29.740 beliefs ethics and values live in an area and are prepared to defend their borders so starting with

01:39:36.700 that first you have to define what you mean by unity what are the ethics values and beliefs that

01:39:41.180 you think at least 70 percent of albertans not only agree with but are prepared to defend and then

01:39:48.540 that leads to the fourth bullet on national security which is immigration the fourth bullet

01:39:56.060 right first of all is after after geopolitics is intelligence who in the world

01:40:03.980 doesn't want your unity to continue to exist that's what intelligence services are all about

01:40:10.620 who's a threat okay who's a partner who's a threat but first of all who's a threat

01:40:15.500 and so that's how you build all the other components you decide that okay we've got 70

01:40:20.620 of all burdens agree with this then the next question is what do you do with the 30 that

01:40:24.460 are already here that disagree with you okay you have to have that discussion too i've got a super

01:40:31.900 chat from prairie cossack i want to get to this uh sorry but after all the trudeau scandals bar

01:40:37.820 went so low i no longer believe excuse me in the great liberal awakening even in bread lines uh

01:40:44.460 they'll they'd rather find more enemies what do you think we've been through it before why did

01:40:51.100 canada switch from a liberal government in 1930 to a conservative government because they knew the

01:40:56.060 liberals couldn't solve the great depression okay and and my point is i don't want to go through

01:41:02.540 this again i want to uh create a situation where the citizens are ready to establish a vision for

01:41:11.740 our country when it's at its lowest level potentially okay and and and have the discussion

01:41:18.380 that we just had about immigration and what to do with the 30 that are already here that 0.80

01:41:23.740 got here in the last 10 years okay and what are we going to do about that kind of stuff 0.51

01:41:29.820 because there are countries in the world there's a million models switzerland just banned all mosques

01:41:36.140 switzerland just banned prayer sweden norway finland they're all dealing with the same issue

01:41:42.700 why can't we have that discussion as part of this discussion but but diversity is our strength said

01:41:49.580 Trudeau and it's interesting in a speech just the other day Carney said at the convention unity

01:41:55.960 does not mean uniformity which I think is a very similar thing diversity is our strength which is

01:42:01.840 changing the words a little bit so this is the government we've got right now Dave do you know

01:42:06.860 where multiculturalism came from with Pierre Elliott Trudeau well I remember when it came in

01:42:12.540 I was probably 10 at the time why did China push it they said it's because the Chinese are being

01:42:20.280 discriminated in your country they didn't do it for that reason they did it because they wanted

01:42:26.400 to control the dysphoria in in Canada by controlling their families in China but by making them treat 0.93

01:42:33.620 by us supposedly treating the bad to make us treat them better along with you know because 0.90

01:42:38.720 they always use the french english fight as the background for it all cultures and so we built a

01:42:43.820 program where we spend canadian taxpayers money to build community centers for all the different

01:42:51.160 cultures that have immigrated to canada to keep them separate not to integrate to intentionally

01:42:58.000 intentionally keep them separate. And we thought it was wonderful. We Canadians were so proud that

01:43:04.700 we weren't a melting pot like the United States. We were this wonderful, welcoming, multicultural

01:43:10.100 society. You need to have that discussion as part of the unity discussion. Multiculturalism

01:43:16.880 must be removed. Many countries in Europe have already done it. I think Holland did it a long 1.00

01:43:20.960 time ago. They removed multiculturalism as a government policy because they knew it destroyed

01:43:26.580 unity yeah got a yes another super chat i want to get to this i have the greatest respect for dave

01:43:32.260 redmond i do believe in wholeheartedly in independence dave has a great strategic mind

01:43:38.420 and his methods have been proven worldwide is what jp alberta first said thanks for the super chat i

01:43:43.700 appreciate that this is to start a discussion folk remember what angela said at the very beginning

01:43:51.140 to bring people together in a safe environment to talk about all six elements but focusing to

01:44:00.740 a 25-year vision call it a 20-year vision but make whatever one of it my proposal is 25 based

01:44:07.620 on how i was taught in mill college and and and my belief that it has to be longer than a

01:44:13.300 generation and the generation is 20 years so it's got to outlive you know if people are 45

01:44:20.500 by the time you're 60 they should be out of government and eva chipiak had this great

01:44:25.220 discussion with me in in this type of a conversation on on actually it was on good

01:44:30.100 governance and she said uh what do you believe is is the optimum age for people in government

01:44:34.900 i said 35 to 55 nothing older than 55 and nothing younger than 35 because you need enough life

01:44:41.860 experience but you need some skin in the game to survive long enough to see through what you're

01:44:46.340 doing but by the time you're 55 i know personally your body starts to fail you and i always call

01:44:52.260 it the epic process be ethically fit physically fit intellectually fit and the first three are

01:44:57.140 useless without the fourth which is courage to use the first three but when your body starts

01:45:02.100 to let you down and you can't do the campaign trail for three weeks it's time to get out of

01:45:07.300 politics i agree let me ask you this we'll just get back to unity here is unity our strength

01:45:14.740 it has to be or you don't have a country what's the definition of a country a group of people who

01:45:20.740 share common ethics and values unity who are prepared to defend an area of the world they

01:45:26.980 live in geopolitics with national defense without that you aren't a country so if you don't have

01:45:33.940 unity you don't have a country period and we have no unity right now right now i believe our country

01:45:41.140 has intentionally been fragmented to have no unity anywhere in our country and we've done it

01:45:47.540 by pitting sexes against each other by pitting colors against each other by competing cultures 0.81

01:45:55.460 religions against each other by pitting

01:45:58.820 provinces and territories east versus west it's been intentional

01:46:04.180 maintain control and that's what an authoritarian government i don't care whether you call it

01:46:09.220 fascist or communist people always say what's the difference start to make a circle in your mind at

01:46:14.820 the top is you standing alone in the woods you're an adult now you're 18 you can do anything you want

01:46:20.260 but there's a problem you have no running water you have no electricity so you need to build a

01:46:24.740 community to live it and you either walk left and give up a little bit of your freedom and and and

01:46:30.500 and start to turn into a socialist economy or you go right and you turn into a capitalist society

01:46:36.500 and the further you go around till you get to the middle if you can stop there with a good solid

01:46:41.300 socialist system like finland sweden norway or a good capitalist society like the united states

01:46:46.900 and canada used to be but if you keep going here you could become a fascist and here you become a

01:46:51.780 communist but when you hit here i don't care what label you put on it it's totalitarian with a

01:46:55.860 dictator it's a circle it's not a line it's not left and right it's a circle all getting to the

01:47:01.140 the same place we could probably talk forever i i do want to ask you though so what is

01:47:08.300 do we is there is there a person is there somebody that may has to come forward in order for us

01:47:16.400 to find the unity you're talking about because i see it very very far away dave i really do

01:47:23.180 well then i put that out as a challenge to people who are younger than me

01:47:28.900 because the people of my age can't do it we are physically and our time spanish are it's time

01:47:37.660 for people who are 35 to 55 to become motivated by what they see and become involved in it but

01:47:45.960 it's you there are some and and i go back to iterative you may not like pure paulia but i do

01:47:51.380 i think he's a step and he can definitely be a step he can definitely free up private sector

01:47:56.760 enterprise he can definitely re-establish personal freedoms and strongly believes in

01:48:02.680 personal freedoms he's got a great understanding of social and and and the understanding of the

01:48:08.760 use of immigration versus the destruction caused by immigration let's do it in steps let's not just

01:48:15.400 assume everybody's horrible and we need someone new let's be iterative and i'll go for an 80

01:48:21.640 solution in the army i was taught an 80 percent solution applied immediately is better than the

01:48:27.640 100 percent solution applied five minutes late everybody dies okay so so if if you don't like

01:48:35.560 him then you better figure somebody out because right now he's the only choice in order to get

01:48:41.880 rid of the tyranny that we've got okay i'm wondering angela you we're going on two hours here

01:48:49.640 are you thinking maybe we should wrap things up and maybe bring date back again i'm just looking

01:48:54.440 to see if i had any more questions here um go ahead real real actually real quick you know it's

01:49:03.160 so when we talk about um economic prosperity and good governance there's ways to measure those

01:49:10.280 things what is a way that we would measure unity to know that we are unified okay so first of all

01:49:20.360 you have to define ethics and values and see if you get any pushback actually define them like i

01:49:25.160 did on that slide if you disagree with my slide tell me what's wrong and why and have a debate

01:49:29.880 about it and so you actually have to be able to present that because we used to we used to talk

01:49:35.160 about that kind of stuff in the 1960s it was part of a discussion and so if you can't even agree on

01:49:41.720 that then you're going to have an immigration system that's useless and you're going to have

01:49:46.520 an intelligence system that doesn't know what to look for as a threat it's based on this is what 0.73

01:49:53.160 we think canadians are and we what we want them to be in 25 years maybe not now but in 25 years

01:49:59.080 and so intelligence tell us who's the threats to to having that i i used to do audits for the

01:50:06.440 government on a whole bunch of stuff emergency management related but emergency management

01:50:11.160 covers all 10 sectors that make up our economy so so these were audits in the private sector

01:50:16.200 audits in the government sector and the first thing you have to do is establish what your

01:50:20.200 mission is but then you have to establish performance objectives exactly what you just said

01:50:25.080 in unity one of the first performance objectives and our prime minister said there are no defined

01:50:31.320 values and beliefs i can define them let's have a fight about it and he refused to have

01:50:38.360 that discussion with anybody so yes define them put them out to your group and have people say

01:50:44.280 i agree with that when i agree with that when i don't agree with that when i have that discussion

01:50:48.760 and then define them as an independence movement this is what we believe the values of all albertans

01:50:56.360 are and let all albertans then fight about it until you get so yeah that's a performance objective

01:51:03.400 what are the values what are the beliefs because they're different right i like that i like that

01:51:10.840 that's good anything else angela that was oh my goodness we've covered so much tonight i'm

01:51:16.360 I'm just going to be laying in bed thinking about it.

01:51:18.640 Well, just to let people know that Sam Cooper and Dave will be back on the 30th.

01:51:24.520 You'll be talking about security, which is, you know, something that needs to be discussed.

01:51:30.280 And that'll be interesting as well.

01:51:32.740 And we've got another one coming up with Eva Chippeya, who you brought up a couple of times here, Dave. 0.99

01:51:38.220 And she's fantastic.

01:51:39.240 They'll be talking about critical.

01:51:40.640 Yeah, critical compass.

01:51:41.860 We'll be talking about that on, what is that?

01:51:44.540 Thursday night, right?

01:51:45.540 Thursday night.

01:51:46.360 Yeah. Protection of rights and freedoms. I think we could go on even further. It's been fascinating to talk to you. It's been interesting questioning you and challenging you as well. And thank you so much for your time. We really do appreciate it. And I didn't say this at the beginning, but thank you for your service, sir.

01:52:05.440 It was my pleasure.

01:52:06.920 I loved every minute of being a soldier.

01:52:09.580 Yeah.

01:52:09.740 Especially a Canadian soldier.

01:52:11.640 Yeah, well, we really appreciate that you did that.

01:52:13.880 Thank you very much.

01:52:14.960 So I guess we'll wrap things up, Angela.

01:52:16.640 Are you good with that?

01:52:17.840 I'm really good with that.

01:52:19.020 Thank you again, Dave, so much.

01:52:20.760 And John, thank you for hosting this.

01:52:23.000 Like, this is your wheelhouse

01:52:24.340 and just really, really appreciate you doing this.

01:52:26.780 Well, I don't normally do these kind of things.

01:52:29.220 I used to do a lot of interviews,

01:52:30.920 certainly not two hours long without commercial breaks.

01:52:34.360 I used to do that in the past, but I'd like to say on behalf of the Alberta Women's Independent

01:52:38.480 Network, thank you very much for watching and we will see you in the next one.

01:52:43.980 Thank you.

01:52:44.440 You all have a great one.

John Bolton - April 21, 2026

Alberta United： The Collaborative Vision Series, Unity

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