John Bolton - May 22, 2026


BREAKING! Mitch Sylvestre Is NOT Happy... To Say The Least


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00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John, and welcome to the channel, Friday, May the 22nd.
00:00:07.320 I hope you're having a great day today, and I hope you've had a chance to think over what
00:00:12.960 Danielle Smith had to say last night regarding what is turning out to be a referendum on
00:00:19.600 a referendum.
00:00:20.380 And a lot of you have been waiting to find out what Mitch Sylvester had to say about
00:00:24.200 this, as have I.
00:00:25.340 I think it's good timing.
00:00:27.520 I wanted to talk to Mitch last night.
00:00:29.280 I've had a chance to think about this a little bit overnight.
00:00:31.700 I've got a different perspective on this,
00:00:33.120 and I'm wondering if Mitch has got a different perspective
00:00:35.460 or he's in the same place last night.
00:00:37.920 Mitch, thank you so much for being here again.
00:00:39.860 It's great to talk to you once again on the channel.
00:00:42.480 Yeah, thanks, John.
00:00:43.400 So I want to, I don't think I've ever started an interview
00:00:47.620 with a question quite like this, but are you pissed?
00:00:51.900 Absolutely.
00:00:53.260 Okay.
00:00:54.020 And it's a good thing I did an interview last night.
00:00:55.940 okay so let's go back through the history here i if you've got five minutes for this i this is
00:01:04.580 very important so when we started the leadership review when i was with take back alberta
00:01:09.440 when we had fired jason kenny we fired jason kenny because of all of the things that we're
00:01:16.080 seeing again right now what we're seeing is a premier that doesn't have our best interests at
00:01:21.580 heart a premier that is saying all the right things but having a party on the roof in the
00:01:26.920 middle of lockdown so here we are in a situation uh where we and you know i mean take back alberta
00:01:34.720 was this was basically responsible for putting danielle in power uh they had the original
00:01:40.200 conversation and basically uh said that we would support danielle and uh away we go so as a
00:01:47.560 consequence to that, as a Northern leader for Take Back Alberta, I hosted Danielle about nine
00:01:51.840 times. Okay. So we've had multiple conversations and we've gone down this path. And, you know,
00:01:58.600 we started, I hosted her for three premier's dinners. You know, I've raised more money for
00:02:04.340 her than anybody. In the first premier's dinner that I had for her, it was after she had won
00:02:10.020 the leadership of the UCP and she was going into election. So we hosted a premier's dinner with
00:02:15.980 800 people at $250 a plate. And I gave her 75% of the funds so that she could fight her fight
00:02:22.360 against the NDP to win the election. We had the next premier's dinner. We do all that manner of
00:02:29.260 stuff. And in the meantime, we're in contact and we're trying to build things. We're trying to get
00:02:33.680 things going. So after she became premier, she comes out and she says that Alberta pension is
00:02:40.280 a no-brainer. All right. And as a leader of the independence movement, you know, not at all at
00:02:47.880 the same level I am now, but as leader of the independent movement, then I said, you know what,
00:02:52.140 that's one of the things that we're going to need to bring Alberta, to make Alberta free and
00:02:58.080 independent nation is a pension plan. So she goes out there and she said, this is absolutely a
00:03:03.100 no-brainer. We go out there, we do a hundred town halls on Alberta pension based on that direction.
00:03:07.680 and we move the needle from 30 to 55 percent and then she backs away from it okay then
00:03:15.540 six or eight months later uh you know she's she's now elected premier uh she's she's in
00:03:22.480 she's been in office for a year year and a half and um then our people are grumbling i'm hearing
00:03:29.100 grumbling from our people like she's been there for a year and a half to expect more
00:03:32.380 they're expecting more and nothing's happening so we have the opportunity to meet and i explained
00:03:39.620 to her that uh premier the people are not happy and she said why is everybody so angry i said
00:03:46.480 because you're not getting anything done so i said you know what there's no silver bullets in
00:03:51.680 the world but i think what we should do is we should and this is just a suggestion and of
00:03:55.160 course you're the boss or you can make the decision we should do a new alberta bill of rights
00:03:59.260 so we went down that path and we lost rights it turned out to be an unmitigated disaster
00:04:07.760 we didn't and and our perspective my perspective was after the lockdown and covid we were going to
00:04:16.220 make this a feel-good moment for the ucp and for the entire province as far as i was concerned it
00:04:22.020 was a win-win there was absolutely no way that you know after all the lockdowns and all the
00:04:27.540 losses of rights and freedoms that we had that we shouldn't address that new alberta bill of rights
00:04:31.940 and i thought it would be a feel-good moment for the whole party for the whole province and
00:04:37.460 everybody and it was a win-win situation for every albertian so what do they do they take rights 0.99
00:04:43.220 away from us they pass this they put this stupid bill out and everybody goes nuts five days before 0.91
00:04:50.340 the sgm and we had basically gone out there and got all these people to come to the sgm based on 0.98
00:04:58.820 the fact that we were going to get gun rights your property rights um you know bodily autonomy
00:05:04.020 informed consent all of those things and they called me when i freaked out on the part that
00:05:09.540 this bill came out and none of that stuff was in it and i said you know what honestly
00:05:14.580 we'll make it better but this is like three days before the sgm and i was angry i said you know
00:05:22.020 what you guys this is not at all what we discussed this is not at all what we're doing
00:05:25.300 so they said oh we'll make it better after the after this they said okay we'll give you four
00:05:29.940 things we'll give you property rights uh gun rights bodily autonomy another thing whatever it
00:05:35.940 was oh informed consent have we got any of that no well well no just let me finish now it's just
00:05:44.420 couple more minutes okay okay so so here so then we we got this all done we got the sgm we brought
00:05:50.660 sixty five hundred sixty five hundred people to the sgm to support danielle smith and she wins
00:05:56.980 with a 90 plus percent approval rating so fine after it's all done they repass the bill exactly
00:06:05.860 in the same format they didn't change anything so i called them i said uh what are you guys doing
00:06:12.260 why would you not take this opportunity to make Albertans better off and take this opportunity to
00:06:20.240 be a big PR thing so that everybody's happy and you know what they told me we'll weather it okay
00:06:28.540 we don't care we don't care about people's rights we don't care about making people's
00:06:32.960 rights better we're gonna weather that so that's that's a second thing so now here we are running
00:06:39.660 in this we've got a whole bunch of people that want the free and independent alberta
00:06:44.860 they lower the threshold to 177 000 clearly telling us that this is something they want us to do
00:06:52.220 and then they get us to this point they send us out there to collect 300 000 signatures we're
00:06:57.100 running around doing their bidding absolutely following the rules and what was those 300 000
00:07:03.580 signatures for so we could get a vote at independence so what now we have to vote to have a vote
00:07:09.660 on independence and here's here's the fly on the ointment now this was brought to my very close
00:07:14.860 attention a year ago they said okay so be aware that the longer they kick this down the road
00:07:22.620 then they're going to get into election cycle mode and then you can't have a referendum in
00:07:27.820 in a year of an election so then they're going to say well okay if you vote for us
00:07:33.900 then uh we're going to give you a referendum which is going to be two three years down the road
00:07:38.300 which is going to be exactly what the liberals and everybody else wants so they're playing games with
00:07:45.340 us again so here's the same job okay okay okay i'm i'm i'm all right and so so absolutely they're
00:07:56.300 playing games with us the premier has 700 000 albert is telling her what they want and it
00:08:04.060 doesn't seem to make any difference so and i i basically clearly put this out to everybody over
00:08:09.980 there i said look this is how this is looking to me right now you're either globalist or you're not
00:08:17.500 okay so the lines are becoming clearer you're either on that side or this side and unfortunately
00:08:26.300 uh i just can't understand how you know the people that we pick and trust that are here
00:08:32.140 from alberta that put us on all of these paths one after the other got us running around doing
00:08:37.980 all the bidding thinking all the while that if we do the work and do the work correctly and come in
00:08:44.780 you know that we're going to get a vote and then they put this judge in and i mean let's not
00:08:50.700 pretend that this is all accidental this judge comes in here fixes in i told that to jeff in
00:08:58.620 private conversation as a matter of fact jeff wanted to to go to court i said jeff don't bother
00:09:03.420 going to court we're going to lose it doesn't matter how good your case is we're not winning
00:09:07.900 the fix is in they already know what they're doing and i mean we're just talking between us here and
00:09:13.500 to everybody else so i said don't even bother going so here we are of course that's the way it
00:09:17.820 turned out and now our premier is using that court case to say well you know we're going to break
00:09:27.260 aboriginal rights when it's clearly in the canadian constitution that we're not i'm sorry say that
00:09:32.700 again i missed uh mr so we're not infringing on aboriginal rights it's in the canadian constitution
00:09:38.220 that this this process does not infringe anybody's rights including theirs so so what i'm saying to
00:09:44.380 you is it doesn't matter what the law is apparently in this country anymore and then they use it to
00:09:50.140 their very best advantage uh to absolutely quell and and suppress the people now if you my phone
00:09:57.580 rang every second uh last night for three or four hours our people are not happy our people are not 0.70
00:10:04.860 stupid and here's the here's the thing and i shared this with other people i'm going to share it with
00:10:09.740 you everybody out there says oh oh danielle is playing 4d chess but my question to you right 0.99
00:10:18.060 now is for who for who she for each us okay so you're not going to like my take on this and
00:10:26.840 that's okay that's not that's okay listen um right now state free alberta is caught in court
00:10:32.300 that's obvious whether it was planned this way or not we're caught in court
00:10:37.540 if we were to win the appeal which you're appealing and the alberta government is appealing
00:10:43.180 there's no guarantee that the appeal will win and what's the chance that this goes forward and
00:10:48.820 another court case comes forward we don't know that's possible people were expecting maybe her
00:10:53.920 for her to go to this decision last night say we get a vote based on thomas lakasic well it's not
00:11:00.900 really a constitutional question that would probably get held up in court as well i was not
00:11:06.380 pleased last night i was pissed i was not happy with this i've had a chance to think about this
00:11:11.080 overnight a little bit. I was talking to Keith Wilson last night and said she was boxed in on
00:11:15.960 this one. My contention is this, that she may have saved the independence movement last night,
00:11:20.380 Mitch. Absolutely not. Well, let me just say, let me put it to you this way.
00:11:27.260 She gave us a question last night, but the other alternatives are virtually not a chance at us
00:11:35.160 getting a question at all in October because it might be a stalling tactic, but time's running
00:11:40.140 out. So we're going to get at least a question. My question to you is, and I know you disagree
00:11:44.900 with me. I don't understand the question. What's that? Are we going to fight with Danielle Smith
00:11:49.900 for the next five months? Are we going to fight to actually win this? Because we got to keep our
00:11:55.220 eyes on this. We got to win this thing, Mitch. And that's just my question to you. So John, my
00:12:00.260 my response to that is after three years of doing our premier's meeting and every single step of the 0.94
00:12:10.500 way none of it works out yeah she she started us down every single path right she started us down 0.99
00:12:20.560 the path for pension plan she started us down the path for for bill rights she started us down the
00:12:27.940 path through here and what are the results of all of that so what I'm getting from my
00:12:35.080 side right and not from everybody on my side is this we cannot hope to win anything to do
00:12:45.740 with independence if this continues so we have a big decision to make so what I'm saying
00:12:55.600 to everybody is uh you know take the blinders off i mean it's been a long journey for me
00:13:03.360 uh to take the blinders off i'm really uh you know i lost a lot of trust with the bill of rights
00:13:08.960 uh less so with the with the pension plan but now uh i'm starting to see that uh like i said
00:13:16.480 the lines are becoming and and let's go to the mou let's go to actually what's happening
00:13:23.760 so what we're seeing is the premier that admitted that carney wasn't going to sign this bill
00:13:31.360 unless he signed on pathways
00:13:35.200 carbon sequestration yeah carbon capture carbon capture carbon sequestration
00:13:40.320 is something that the rest of the world is abandoning because it's so expensive
00:13:46.320 and what's the goal of the liberals the goal of the liberals is either to pull as much money or
00:13:50.000 continue to pull as much money out of Alberta as they can and to stifle our industry and keep it
00:13:58.080 in the ground they've been doing it for 10 or 15 years they've been sabotaging our industry
00:14:03.120 is she allowing that to continue is my question so here's the deal i get in my position i get
00:14:10.000 lots of phone calls from lots of people and people in the industry in the oil industry and this is
00:14:15.520 an interesting comment uh i got this from a very uh high up a person in the oil industry uh you
00:14:23.280 know he said well we're sure that the province doesn't know what they signed but we're absolutely
00:14:30.960 sure that the feds do know what they signed so we've got to do the math here and we're thinking
00:14:35.760 that it's going to cost us from seven to ten dollars a barrel to produce oil here which is
00:14:39.680 basically going to shut our industry down yeah now that's on the heels of the premier saying this
00:14:44.320 korea all those countries in asia are going to take as much oil as we can send them right now
00:14:49.600 okay so if you're the prime minister of this country and investment is leaking
00:14:56.000 not leaking it's coming it's leaving this country
00:14:59.280 period you have the opportunity to build a pipeline to a market that's begging for your product
00:15:06.640 what's holding you up well why would our premier why would our premier sign a deal
00:15:12.240 that's going to increase and we don't know this but we will know this and as soon as we have the
00:15:16.000 math we'll make it clear if this math comes out to seven to ten dollars a barrel we're non-competitive
00:15:21.840 and i've heard from a very very intelligent man who worked in oil and gas saying these companies
00:15:28.000 that are apparently part of pathways they don't want pathways either but my question to you is
00:15:34.320 what do we do now we've got five months are we going to fight to win this thing it's what
00:15:40.640 we've got or are you expecting her to change her mind and giving us a question that you wanted
00:15:45.840 right i would suggest at the very least thing now i'm i'm going to make this knowledge uh you know
00:15:52.800 what i would have never said this before there's two petitions out there one with 400 000 signatures
00:15:58.560 one with 300 000 signatures yeah one's a non-binding question one is i just don't understand why
00:16:10.640 this has to be this hard you have to you have to muddy the water all they're doing again is they're
00:16:16.940 going to say oh you better do this what you're what you're saying is happening and then we're
00:16:22.920 going to get into election mode which is going to be next spring and we can't have a referendum
00:16:26.620 vote next year and they're going to say oh well you got to vote for us so this is never going to
00:16:30.220 happen well actually you know what i'm concerned that it's ever going to happen i'm not saying
00:16:37.500 I'm not saying that you might not be right at that.
00:16:39.840 I think it's political blackmail, John.
00:16:41.580 And I think it's crazy.
00:16:43.600 And I think she said within months of this vote that we would have another referendum on this.
00:16:49.500 And certainly we need to hold her feet to the fire if it comes to this.
00:16:53.180 But question again, are we going to fight to win this thing in the fall?
00:16:56.760 Are we going to fight with Danielle Smith for the next five months?
00:16:59.140 That's what I want to know.
00:16:59.860 We have to get together on this, Mitch.
00:17:02.660 We've got to get together.
00:17:04.120 Everybody, we've got to win this.
00:17:05.380 rarely disagree with you and i would have agreed with you last week yeah yeah right right now yeah
00:17:11.060 i think everybody better pay attention to what's really going on and i'm and and that includes me
00:17:16.020 because here's the thing uh i've had i've asked 10 000 people this question
00:17:22.580 and i'm going to ask everybody out there to very seriously think about this
00:17:27.940 if it comes down to a free and independent alberta and any leader
00:17:31.700 what's going to be your choice well i want a free and independent leaders are going to come and go
00:17:38.580 and leaders are not going to save us so so here's the thing we've been saying this for years get
00:17:42.740 involved with your politics and this group this particular group this government this ucp government
00:17:48.900 is a very top-down group obviously what we say doesn't matter obviously that we have 300 000
00:17:56.500 albertans go collect signatures in the cold to have a to have a a constitutional question asked
00:18:02.180 which is well within the parameters and the guidelines of what we've been given
00:18:07.780 and now they're dancing around that too based on the fact that their friends
00:18:12.180 whoever these people are negotiating with come in with with a lawless they're they're absolutely a
00:18:18.420 lawless government and that's the whole problem that's why we're trying to leave here they're
00:18:22.740 They're the people that send these corrupt chiefs, which is not even a question,
00:18:27.820 guy paid by the Tides Foundation.
00:18:29.920 The Tides Foundation is the American people that started the dirty oil campaign
00:18:34.060 to keep our oil on the ground. 0.66
00:18:35.980 So these people are the people that are doing this.
00:18:38.280 We have a market in Asia that's going to take as much oil as we can produce,
00:18:42.500 but we're not building a pipeline now.
00:18:44.200 We're going to build it when?
00:18:45.100 In two or three years?
00:18:46.320 Oh, it'll likely be seven, eight years from what I've heard.
00:18:48.700 Well, it'll be never because we're going to have to go through all the same nonsense
00:18:52.220 that we're doing right now but yet we're paying up front yeah i know so i mean i'm just i'm just
00:18:58.780 saying as much charm as our premier has and i've been taken in by it as much as anyone
00:19:06.540 at some point we're going to have to look and see what's actually happening in boots on the ground
00:19:11.820 and seeing what kind of results we're getting and i'm going to share with you we have none
00:19:17.100 as a matter of fact we're worse off than we were when we started uh not saying that this
00:19:22.380 is ever going to stop because it's not going to stop because there's a lot of people that
00:19:25.100 want to do this and the whole thing is jason canney famously said if this is my base i want
00:19:31.420 a new base i think the premier said telling us the same thing my immediate reaction last night was
00:19:37.500 has the premier crossed the floor on us again and uh you know has she crossed the floor on us again
00:19:44.220 that was my immediate reaction and and you know what seriously you can tell i'm angry because i
00:19:48.780 am i know you are but but the whole but the whole thing is this you know keith can say oh yeah she's
00:19:55.580 boxed in she's boxed in well yeah well she's gonna have to make some decisions at some point uh you
00:20:01.260 know all of these nine questions that she has on her are all redundant questions she knows the
00:20:06.300 answer to all of them when she came into power first year she said oh we're going to increase
00:20:13.660 the population of alberta to 10 million people we're going to bring in that many people well
00:20:18.060 we're at five and we're clogged right up so uh i don't understand how we were ever going to get to
00:20:24.540 10 and then the people booed her at her first uh at her first or second agm i was at all of them
00:20:31.180 and supported her with bringing more people there to support her than anybody in the province
00:20:36.300 year after year after year after year but at some point it's enough and right now
00:20:43.420 she has to start doing things fast so what do you expect um what do you expect everybody to
00:20:48.860 do moving forward as we get closer to this question well we got this question now mitch
00:20:55.180 what do you want people well the question's ridiculous the question has to change the
00:20:58.780 question is so you want her to change the question you expect her to change this question to your
00:21:03.180 question yeah yeah she can change well she can change the question period well yeah change it
00:21:07.340 to our question see what happens change it to lucasic's question would be a big upgrade to
00:21:10.940 this and i would never support that but i wouldn't be yelling my head off what do you think the
00:21:14.860 chances of that happening are well 100 if they want to do it so just let's play out this this 0.98
00:21:22.060 little stupid game here okay because so the other night they said okay well you're not going to get
00:21:26.700 your question based on the court case so the cosmic question gets put in there it's a yes or 0.99
00:21:32.540 no question all right so the opportunity uh that that's presented with the classic question is this
00:21:42.460 people can vote to snub ottawa in the classic question and we can get a 60 or 65 vote in favor
00:21:52.300 of alberta independence uh with absolutely no uh consequences to it so what happens then john
00:22:01.300 How do they react to that?
00:22:02.700 I'm going to tell you what the problem is here, John.
00:22:04.600 They think we can win.
00:22:06.500 That's the problem.
00:22:08.020 They think we can win.
00:22:09.660 And the way they're reacting is I know they think we could win
00:22:12.300 or they wouldn't be doing this.
00:22:13.340 We're all over the target.
00:22:14.740 I think we could.
00:22:15.520 So Polly, I was coming here to campaign this summer. 0.98
00:22:18.480 Danielle's going to campaign against us.
00:22:20.420 All these guys inform me and say, hey, your poll results are 22%, 23%, 28%.
00:22:26.780 If our poll numbers are 28%, call the question.
00:22:30.540 give us our question what have you got to lose if it's no uh then uh you don't have to deal with it
00:22:36.220 if it's yes well then you at least you know uh what the uh what the people of alberta think
00:22:42.940 and uh she has nothing to lose she doesn't have to take the question and put it forward anyway
00:22:48.140 asking the question is country never used to be against the law petitioning government for change
00:22:52.940 never used to be against the law we've got we've got a band of 33 aboriginals that live on a reserve
00:22:58.460 with 197 million dollars in the bank and another 100 million on the way uh that are basically 1.00
00:23:04.460 laughing at us if you see the interview uh on how this is the shape of our democracy now i'm going
00:23:08.940 to ask you another question so if we allow this to happen in alberta uh how far down our road do
00:23:15.900 you think we are before we lose our property rights like they've done in bc i i know that 1.00
00:23:22.940 So what I'm saying to you is Aboriginal people are going to take over the... 0.99
00:23:25.660 And I'm not mad at Aboriginal people. 1.00
00:23:27.520 I'm just mad at the way this is going because I see this is UNDRIP.
00:23:30.820 This is the United Nations.
00:23:32.080 This is the globalists.
00:23:33.140 This is all of that stuff that's happening now.
00:23:35.740 And so if this happens and they allow this to happen,
00:23:38.900 the premiers acknowledge that,
00:23:40.820 that all of a sudden we lose the ability to govern our province based on this.
00:23:44.780 This is a hard no.
00:23:45.880 This is a hard no for them.
00:23:47.540 It didn't make sense when this ruling was made.
00:23:50.220 basically the people of the province, the 300,000 people who signed this petition,
00:23:55.040 will ask their government for a question. And we were told, you can't do that. You have to ask
00:23:59.460 these five chiefs whether they can agree with us or not. That's basically what we're told. That's
00:24:04.400 not democracy at all. But we can still win this thing, Mitch. And you said here to me-
00:24:09.800 I can still win this thing, John, but maybe getting along with Daniela is not the path.
00:24:12.880 Well, maybe not. And I want to finish up with that in just a moment. We can still win this
00:24:17.480 thing. You've said to me many times here, and you've said it over the last year, I could probably
00:24:21.000 go back and clip them out. This was never going to be easy, Mitch. You said, John, this was never
00:24:25.800 going to be easy. We knew this kind of stuff was going to happen. Well, here it is again.
00:24:29.840 And how are we going to attack this issue we've got? I think it's a pipe dream to think she's
00:24:36.980 going to change her mind on this and give you the question that you want right now. So what
00:24:40.280 do you want people to do? Well, what do I want people to do?
00:24:46.600 well, of course we're going to go to work
00:24:48.480 and we're going to see what we have to do.
00:24:50.460 But I'm going to share with you
00:24:51.300 a little known fact here about consultation.
00:24:54.020 Okay?
00:24:54.680 Yeah.
00:24:55.420 We called all 48 chiefs.
00:24:58.060 We called their band office.
00:24:59.760 We called them three times.
00:25:01.600 We asked them to come to a conference in Panoka
00:25:04.080 that we had organized
00:25:05.800 and none of them showed up.
00:25:10.780 None of them showed up.
00:25:13.100 I took a whole day.
00:25:14.320 I sat there from 9 o'clock in the morning
00:25:16.620 until 4 o'clock in the afternoon waiting for them
00:25:18.540 to come. We had two
00:25:20.220 Aboriginal ladies come 1.00
00:25:21.960 because they wanted to hear what
00:25:24.560 was going on. We never had a chief
00:25:26.520 show up. So I'm going to ask you a question.
00:25:29.620 Did we do our due
00:25:30.620 diligence on consultation?
00:25:33.540 Yeah.
00:25:34.220 And there's maybe some collusion going on here.
00:25:36.460 We're not going to go talk to those people at all.
00:25:38.320 That's what I'm assuming might have happened here
00:25:40.340 if none of them showed up. None.
00:25:42.240 Not even the guys that were a half-hour drive away.
00:25:44.900 None of them showed up.
00:25:47.080 I've got, I guess we're going to have to do our own consulting.
00:25:51.300 So I have a meeting with a former chief from Coley First Nations here,
00:25:54.700 who totally, by the way, agrees with Alberta independence at some point,
00:25:58.860 based on how it looks.
00:26:01.520 And so, and also our poll is showing that the largest group of people
00:26:08.620 that supports Alberta independence
00:26:11.000 is Aboriginal people.
00:26:12.380 That's right, yeah.
00:26:13.920 So where's the disconnect?
00:26:16.540 It's not fair, Mitch.
00:26:17.820 It's not fair at all,
00:26:18.960 but we've got the hand we've been dealt
00:26:20.900 and we're going to have to deal with this.
00:26:22.860 And, you know, I did a video this morning
00:26:25.180 saying I support you, Mitch.
00:26:27.660 I support all the groups
00:26:29.060 that want to win this thing.
00:26:30.880 Our goal has been
00:26:31.800 to get a vote on independence.
00:26:34.020 You might be right.
00:26:35.260 We might end up into next year.
00:26:36.720 And she says, sorry, you vote for us
00:26:38.120 And we'll give you this in a couple of years down the road.
00:26:40.420 She did mention, I think, within a couple of months of this vote in the fall.
00:26:43.340 But we all have to work together on this, I think.
00:26:45.860 We have to be unified in this, as pissed off as we are.
00:26:48.680 And I wasn't happy about this.
00:26:49.840 And I'm still not happy about this.
00:26:51.120 I was expecting an up or down vote in October on independence.
00:26:58.040 And we never got that.
00:26:59.120 And initially, I was pissed off.
00:27:01.160 But now we've got to get down to business here.
00:27:03.780 And we can deal with Danielle Smith and everything after this vote in the fall.
00:27:08.320 But I think that in ways we might even find more people on our side on this simply because people are pissed with the federal government.
00:27:16.360 They they aren't happy with the federal government right now.
00:27:20.140 They might not. They might be a no when it comes to independence, but they might say in the fall, you know what?
00:27:24.780 We should at least have a chance to vote on this.
00:27:26.820 So there may be a silver lining in this cloud, but we got to get down to business here.
00:27:31.560 and that's my point we're down to business every day we do this in 12 hours a day every single day
00:27:37.800 uh we're not going to stop doing what we do good and the whole thing is is that we're going to do
00:27:44.840 everything we can to leverage government and move them we're not going away under any circumstances
00:27:51.320 but i have been told this multiple times by many many people you will never and i want to leave
00:27:57.080 everybody with this unless the government supports what you're doing this is almost impossible to do
00:28:05.080 so the whole thing is is that we have to we have to basically consider the fact that maybe we need
00:28:11.880 to make the changes where we need to make the changes in government whether that's at the mla
00:28:16.600 level or any other level uh in order to put people that support us uh in power so that we can actually
00:28:23.000 make this happen and it's going to come down to us doing the same thing that we've been saying
00:28:27.800 from from the very beginning of this whole thing that i've started with my uh four years ago
00:28:32.760 politicians are not going to come to save us any of them that's very evident and becoming more
00:28:37.080 evident by the day we have to do what we need to do to make sure that we get a chance to have a
00:28:46.120 vote and do what we need to do and as a consequence to that that's going to be our mission you know
00:28:51.960 even though we're going to speed it up now uh to to be sure that that's what gets done and and our
00:28:58.680 and our goal has never been uh to form another conservative party and it stays that way we're
00:29:04.040 going to work within the party we have uh legally and we're going to absolutely go to work and so
00:29:10.200 i'm asking all the people that have any stake in this at all join committees join boards join
00:29:17.640 parties become active in your politics if this means anything to you it's going to come right
00:29:23.220 down to our strength is numbers and if uh if that's the case then we have to have a lot of
00:29:29.360 people doing the work you know i um we've had so many discussions it was um a little less than a
00:29:37.620 year ago that i spoke to you for the very first time we've had so many great discussions here
00:29:42.780 very much positive um this is certainly the most challenging thing that's happened uh there's the
00:29:50.060 saying though that what that which does not kill us only makes us stronger and i think
00:29:55.940 i'm trying to think of the quote um i feel i feel that we have given our enemy uh an incredible
00:30:04.500 resolve and that's what they said after pearl harbor they they got this the united states
00:30:10.940 really mad and i think you got a lot of people in this province really mad with this question last
00:30:15.580 night and these people who have been out there in the snow that you and i admire so much are going
00:30:21.820 to be going to even have more resolve to win this thing we need to work together and this is the
00:30:27.980 again the hand we've been dealt and we got to deal with it and and we're behind you mitch we want to
00:30:32.940 win this thing it just might take a little bit more time and that that's where i am on this
00:30:38.600 And you know what, John?
00:30:39.460 We know that.
00:30:40.520 Yeah.
00:30:41.140 And we're not going away.
00:30:43.220 Good.
00:30:43.720 I think the best way to sum this up is we're very disappointed.
00:30:48.920 Mm-hmm.
00:30:50.000 I'm disappointed.
00:30:51.400 I certainly am.
00:30:53.220 Very disappointed.
00:30:54.460 And you know what?
00:30:55.100 We're tired of being disappointed by these people.
00:30:57.900 What bugs me, Mitch, is that we now have to campaign to have another campaign.
00:31:02.320 I know.
00:31:03.200 And in the middle of a third campaign. 0.97
00:31:05.440 and we're probably going to be campaigning in the damn winter again if it happens again you know 0.86
00:31:11.020 and that's the thing uh yeah I mean it there's a lot of barriers in the way we did not know this 0.91
00:31:16.200 was going to be easy but at the end I think a big win on this will be even more satisfying that's
00:31:22.220 what I'm hoping happens around a year from now that's what I'm hoping happens and we've got to
00:31:27.620 keep the premier's feet to the fire and make sure she stands by her word that that's going to happen
00:31:32.260 when we win this thing in October and we have to focus on that?
00:31:37.340 Well, I don't even know how to vote.
00:31:38.900 I listened to that question and I don't even know what the heck that means.
00:31:42.280 And if I don't know what it means,
00:31:43.760 I can't imagine how that's going to be a clear question on anything.
00:31:46.720 They're going to double that thing around.
00:31:49.300 The question doesn't have to be hard.
00:31:51.380 Do you support Alberta independence? Yes or no?
00:31:53.620 That can be a question.
00:31:55.680 That's not Clarity Act compliant.
00:31:59.360 You know, I mean, there's lots of things that they could do there.
00:32:01.240 That question is absolutely designed to confuse people.
00:32:05.840 You know, Jeff and I were talking about that last night.
00:32:07.600 Neither one of us understands what the hell that is.
00:32:10.240 How do we vote on this?
00:32:11.560 And you know what?
00:32:12.280 Seriously, last comment on this.
00:32:13.760 Everybody said the premier's been boxed, the premier's boxed, the premier's boxed. 0.67
00:32:16.960 She's the premier.
00:32:19.380 She's got to unbox herself.
00:32:21.180 I mean, at some point.
00:32:22.520 If we're, you know, we're going into election cycle, it's going to be two years, Jeff.
00:32:27.040 it's not because if and understand this they don't have to have an election until 2018
00:32:33.580 uh 2020 2028 i'm sorry so 2028 they can they don't have to have a spring election next year
00:32:39.700 so that's a choice so we'll see how that goes actually the election is planned one year less
00:32:44.940 a day from the referendum on october 19th one year less so exactly so so so then uh in in january
00:32:54.500 of 2026, 2027, we cannot, we cannot call a referendum vote. So we're going into the next
00:33:03.400 year in 2028, and then we're going to junk monkey around that for a year or two. And then we'll get
00:33:09.900 our referendum vote, what, in 2029? And by then, at the speed that liberals are going, they'll have
00:33:15.760 been in power for three or four years. What's the country going to look like by then, is my question.
00:33:20.260 What do you want people, just to finish up on this, Mitch, what do you want people to do
00:33:24.180 right now you've been asking people to join the ucp continue to do that obviously if you can
00:33:28.660 absolutely donate at albertaprosperityproject.com good time to do that right now folks by for
00:33:33.980 goodness sakes if you want to do that from anywhere uh donate right now what do you want
00:33:38.140 people to do at this moment i want people to talk about this i want people to talk to their
00:33:44.920 neighbors about this i want people to talk to people on the fence about this this is a clear
00:33:49.620 erosion of our democracy this is a clear erosion of all the rights that we have as people
00:33:54.500 I think the Aboriginal question is a very serious thing, 1.00
00:33:59.660 you know, based on people in the lower, in BC,
00:34:03.240 in the lower mainland can't get mortgages anymore
00:34:05.740 because nobody understands who the property belongs to.
00:34:09.340 That has been introduced into the mix now,
00:34:11.840 something that I would have never thought possible here in Alberta,
00:34:14.520 based on the fact that what our treaties are saying.
00:34:17.100 I'm thinking that we have to pay very close attention
00:34:20.480 to this MOU and a deal that we actually signed
00:34:23.620 and to see what the consequences of it are
00:34:25.860 and what the consequences of it are long-term for Alberta.
00:34:29.060 So get involved, stay involved.
00:34:31.640 Buy UCP memberships.
00:34:33.080 We're going to be calling you very shortly.
00:34:34.820 We have plans for everything that's happening.
00:34:38.140 We're going to protest.
00:34:39.900 We're going to absolutely get organized
00:34:43.020 to show the government that we're not happy.
00:34:47.320 UCP nominations are coming up.
00:34:49.420 Get involved in your area. See who the candidates are. Make sure that you vote for the candidate that thinks and feels like you do, however that is. And you basically need to become more active in everything we do. If we become more active, then we control the narrative and we control the situation. And you might be surprised to know that if we become that active, that question might change and probably will.
00:35:14.020 difficult morning after difficult evening last night difficult morning after difficult
00:35:20.900 discussion here this morning um but you know we got your back mitch you know 100 understand that
00:35:27.680 i understand different perspectives yeah um it's just it's just taking me a long time to get to
00:35:33.660 where i'm at this morning this has been a four-year uh evolution and you know at some point
00:35:39.460 You've got to take the scales off your eyes so that you can see what's going on.
00:35:43.380 And sadly, I believe that scales came off last night.
00:35:47.860 Okay.
00:35:48.620 Mitch, thanks so much.
00:35:49.960 Thanks for getting back to me last night.
00:35:52.020 I sent you a text message in the evening.
00:35:53.600 It's always a pleasure to talk to you.
00:35:55.040 If you need anything, be sure to get in touch.
00:35:58.260 We're going to win this thing.
00:36:01.000 Again, I was disappointed last night.
00:36:02.840 I still am disappointed, but this is what we've got.
00:36:06.020 And we've got to deal with it.
00:36:07.100 And I know you guys are going to deal with it in the best way.
00:36:09.540 You've got plans.
00:36:10.620 Let us know when you're having the rally.
00:36:12.280 I can hardly wait until that happens.
00:36:13.900 Oh, yeah.
00:36:14.740 Well, it'll be within the next couple of weeks, for sure.
00:36:18.760 Good stuff.
00:36:19.480 Mitch Shanks, thanks very much.
00:36:21.120 I appreciate it.
00:36:21.780 You have a great day.
00:36:22.980 And we're going to win this thing.
00:36:25.080 Let's go.
00:36:25.540 You bet, John.
00:36:25.740 Thank you.
00:36:26.260 Thanks for having me on.
00:36:28.140 You betcha.
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