BREAKING! Mitch Sylvestre Is NOT Happy... To Say The Least
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Mitch Sylvester, former leader of Take Back Alberta, joins me to talk about his thoughts on the Alberta Bill of Rights. He also talks about his relationship with Danielle Smith, and why he thinks we should have a new Alberta Bills of Rights
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Hi, it's John, and welcome to the channel, Friday, May the 22nd.
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I hope you're having a great day today, and I hope you've had a chance to think over what
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Danielle Smith had to say last night regarding what is turning out to be a referendum on
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And a lot of you have been waiting to find out what Mitch Sylvester had to say about
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I've had a chance to think about this a little bit overnight.
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and I'm wondering if Mitch has got a different perspective
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It's great to talk to you once again on the channel.
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So I want to, I don't think I've ever started an interview
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with a question quite like this, but are you pissed?
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And it's a good thing I did an interview last night.
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okay so let's go back through the history here i if you've got five minutes for this i this is
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very important so when we started the leadership review when i was with take back alberta
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when we had fired jason kenny we fired jason kenny because of all of the things that we're
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seeing again right now what we're seeing is a premier that doesn't have our best interests at
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heart a premier that is saying all the right things but having a party on the roof in the
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middle of lockdown so here we are in a situation uh where we and you know i mean take back alberta
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was this was basically responsible for putting danielle in power uh they had the original
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conversation and basically uh said that we would support danielle and uh away we go so as a
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consequence to that, as a Northern leader for Take Back Alberta, I hosted Danielle about nine
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times. Okay. So we've had multiple conversations and we've gone down this path. And, you know,
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we started, I hosted her for three premier's dinners. You know, I've raised more money for
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her than anybody. In the first premier's dinner that I had for her, it was after she had won
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the leadership of the UCP and she was going into election. So we hosted a premier's dinner with
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800 people at $250 a plate. And I gave her 75% of the funds so that she could fight her fight
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against the NDP to win the election. We had the next premier's dinner. We do all that manner of
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stuff. And in the meantime, we're in contact and we're trying to build things. We're trying to get
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things going. So after she became premier, she comes out and she says that Alberta pension is
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a no-brainer. All right. And as a leader of the independence movement, you know, not at all at
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the same level I am now, but as leader of the independent movement, then I said, you know what,
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that's one of the things that we're going to need to bring Alberta, to make Alberta free and
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independent nation is a pension plan. So she goes out there and she said, this is absolutely a
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no-brainer. We go out there, we do a hundred town halls on Alberta pension based on that direction.
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and we move the needle from 30 to 55 percent and then she backs away from it okay then
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six or eight months later uh you know she's she's now elected premier uh she's she's in
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she's been in office for a year year and a half and um then our people are grumbling i'm hearing
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grumbling from our people like she's been there for a year and a half to expect more
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they're expecting more and nothing's happening so we have the opportunity to meet and i explained
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to her that uh premier the people are not happy and she said why is everybody so angry i said
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because you're not getting anything done so i said you know what there's no silver bullets in
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the world but i think what we should do is we should and this is just a suggestion and of
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course you're the boss or you can make the decision we should do a new alberta bill of rights
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so we went down that path and we lost rights it turned out to be an unmitigated disaster
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we didn't and and our perspective my perspective was after the lockdown and covid we were going to
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make this a feel-good moment for the ucp and for the entire province as far as i was concerned it
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was a win-win there was absolutely no way that you know after all the lockdowns and all the
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losses of rights and freedoms that we had that we shouldn't address that new alberta bill of rights
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and i thought it would be a feel-good moment for the whole party for the whole province and
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everybody and it was a win-win situation for every albertian so what do they do they take rights
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away from us they pass this they put this stupid bill out and everybody goes nuts five days before
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the sgm and we had basically gone out there and got all these people to come to the sgm based on
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the fact that we were going to get gun rights your property rights um you know bodily autonomy
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informed consent all of those things and they called me when i freaked out on the part that
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this bill came out and none of that stuff was in it and i said you know what honestly
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we'll make it better but this is like three days before the sgm and i was angry i said you know
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what you guys this is not at all what we discussed this is not at all what we're doing
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so they said oh we'll make it better after the after this they said okay we'll give you four
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things we'll give you property rights uh gun rights bodily autonomy another thing whatever it
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was oh informed consent have we got any of that no well well no just let me finish now it's just
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couple more minutes okay okay so so here so then we we got this all done we got the sgm we brought
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sixty five hundred sixty five hundred people to the sgm to support danielle smith and she wins
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with a 90 plus percent approval rating so fine after it's all done they repass the bill exactly
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in the same format they didn't change anything so i called them i said uh what are you guys doing
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why would you not take this opportunity to make Albertans better off and take this opportunity to
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be a big PR thing so that everybody's happy and you know what they told me we'll weather it okay
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we don't care we don't care about people's rights we don't care about making people's
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rights better we're gonna weather that so that's that's a second thing so now here we are running
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in this we've got a whole bunch of people that want the free and independent alberta
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they lower the threshold to 177 000 clearly telling us that this is something they want us to do
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and then they get us to this point they send us out there to collect 300 000 signatures we're
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running around doing their bidding absolutely following the rules and what was those 300 000
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signatures for so we could get a vote at independence so what now we have to vote to have a vote
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on independence and here's here's the fly on the ointment now this was brought to my very close
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attention a year ago they said okay so be aware that the longer they kick this down the road
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then they're going to get into election cycle mode and then you can't have a referendum in
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in a year of an election so then they're going to say well okay if you vote for us
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then uh we're going to give you a referendum which is going to be two three years down the road
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which is going to be exactly what the liberals and everybody else wants so they're playing games with
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us again so here's the same job okay okay okay i'm i'm i'm all right and so so absolutely they're
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playing games with us the premier has 700 000 albert is telling her what they want and it
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doesn't seem to make any difference so and i i basically clearly put this out to everybody over
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there i said look this is how this is looking to me right now you're either globalist or you're not
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okay so the lines are becoming clearer you're either on that side or this side and unfortunately
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uh i just can't understand how you know the people that we pick and trust that are here
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from alberta that put us on all of these paths one after the other got us running around doing
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all the bidding thinking all the while that if we do the work and do the work correctly and come in
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you know that we're going to get a vote and then they put this judge in and i mean let's not
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pretend that this is all accidental this judge comes in here fixes in i told that to jeff in
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private conversation as a matter of fact jeff wanted to to go to court i said jeff don't bother
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going to court we're going to lose it doesn't matter how good your case is we're not winning
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the fix is in they already know what they're doing and i mean we're just talking between us here and
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to everybody else so i said don't even bother going so here we are of course that's the way it
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turned out and now our premier is using that court case to say well you know we're going to break
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aboriginal rights when it's clearly in the canadian constitution that we're not i'm sorry say that
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again i missed uh mr so we're not infringing on aboriginal rights it's in the canadian constitution
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that this this process does not infringe anybody's rights including theirs so so what i'm saying to
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you is it doesn't matter what the law is apparently in this country anymore and then they use it to
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their very best advantage uh to absolutely quell and and suppress the people now if you my phone
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rang every second uh last night for three or four hours our people are not happy our people are not
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stupid and here's the here's the thing and i shared this with other people i'm going to share it with
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you everybody out there says oh oh danielle is playing 4d chess but my question to you right
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now is for who for who she for each us okay so you're not going to like my take on this and
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that's okay that's not that's okay listen um right now state free alberta is caught in court
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that's obvious whether it was planned this way or not we're caught in court
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if we were to win the appeal which you're appealing and the alberta government is appealing
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there's no guarantee that the appeal will win and what's the chance that this goes forward and
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another court case comes forward we don't know that's possible people were expecting maybe her
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for her to go to this decision last night say we get a vote based on thomas lakasic well it's not
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really a constitutional question that would probably get held up in court as well i was not
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pleased last night i was pissed i was not happy with this i've had a chance to think about this
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overnight a little bit. I was talking to Keith Wilson last night and said she was boxed in on
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this one. My contention is this, that she may have saved the independence movement last night,
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Mitch. Absolutely not. Well, let me just say, let me put it to you this way.
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She gave us a question last night, but the other alternatives are virtually not a chance at us
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getting a question at all in October because it might be a stalling tactic, but time's running
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out. So we're going to get at least a question. My question to you is, and I know you disagree
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with me. I don't understand the question. What's that? Are we going to fight with Danielle Smith
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for the next five months? Are we going to fight to actually win this? Because we got to keep our
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eyes on this. We got to win this thing, Mitch. And that's just my question to you. So John, my
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my response to that is after three years of doing our premier's meeting and every single step of the
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way none of it works out yeah she she started us down every single path right she started us down
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the path for pension plan she started us down the path for for bill rights she started us down the
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path through here and what are the results of all of that so what I'm getting from my
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side right and not from everybody on my side is this we cannot hope to win anything to do
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with independence if this continues so we have a big decision to make so what I'm saying
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to everybody is uh you know take the blinders off i mean it's been a long journey for me
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uh to take the blinders off i'm really uh you know i lost a lot of trust with the bill of rights
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uh less so with the with the pension plan but now uh i'm starting to see that uh like i said
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the lines are becoming and and let's go to the mou let's go to actually what's happening
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so what we're seeing is the premier that admitted that carney wasn't going to sign this bill
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carbon sequestration yeah carbon capture carbon capture carbon sequestration
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is something that the rest of the world is abandoning because it's so expensive
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and what's the goal of the liberals the goal of the liberals is either to pull as much money or
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continue to pull as much money out of Alberta as they can and to stifle our industry and keep it
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in the ground they've been doing it for 10 or 15 years they've been sabotaging our industry
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is she allowing that to continue is my question so here's the deal i get in my position i get
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lots of phone calls from lots of people and people in the industry in the oil industry and this is
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an interesting comment uh i got this from a very uh high up a person in the oil industry uh you
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know he said well we're sure that the province doesn't know what they signed but we're absolutely
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sure that the feds do know what they signed so we've got to do the math here and we're thinking
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that it's going to cost us from seven to ten dollars a barrel to produce oil here which is
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basically going to shut our industry down yeah now that's on the heels of the premier saying this
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korea all those countries in asia are going to take as much oil as we can send them right now
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okay so if you're the prime minister of this country and investment is leaking
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not leaking it's coming it's leaving this country
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period you have the opportunity to build a pipeline to a market that's begging for your product
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what's holding you up well why would our premier why would our premier sign a deal
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that's going to increase and we don't know this but we will know this and as soon as we have the
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math we'll make it clear if this math comes out to seven to ten dollars a barrel we're non-competitive
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and i've heard from a very very intelligent man who worked in oil and gas saying these companies
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that are apparently part of pathways they don't want pathways either but my question to you is
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what do we do now we've got five months are we going to fight to win this thing it's what
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we've got or are you expecting her to change her mind and giving us a question that you wanted
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right i would suggest at the very least thing now i'm i'm going to make this knowledge uh you know
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what i would have never said this before there's two petitions out there one with 400 000 signatures
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one with 300 000 signatures yeah one's a non-binding question one is i just don't understand why
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this has to be this hard you have to you have to muddy the water all they're doing again is they're
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going to say oh you better do this what you're what you're saying is happening and then we're
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going to get into election mode which is going to be next spring and we can't have a referendum
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vote next year and they're going to say oh well you got to vote for us so this is never going to
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happen well actually you know what i'm concerned that it's ever going to happen i'm not saying
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I'm not saying that you might not be right at that.
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And I think she said within months of this vote that we would have another referendum on this.
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And certainly we need to hold her feet to the fire if it comes to this.
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But question again, are we going to fight to win this thing in the fall?
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Are we going to fight with Danielle Smith for the next five months?
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rarely disagree with you and i would have agreed with you last week yeah yeah right right now yeah
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i think everybody better pay attention to what's really going on and i'm and and that includes me
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because here's the thing uh i've had i've asked 10 000 people this question
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and i'm going to ask everybody out there to very seriously think about this
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if it comes down to a free and independent alberta and any leader
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what's going to be your choice well i want a free and independent leaders are going to come and go
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and leaders are not going to save us so so here's the thing we've been saying this for years get
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involved with your politics and this group this particular group this government this ucp government
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is a very top-down group obviously what we say doesn't matter obviously that we have 300 000
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albertans go collect signatures in the cold to have a to have a a constitutional question asked
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which is well within the parameters and the guidelines of what we've been given
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and now they're dancing around that too based on the fact that their friends
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whoever these people are negotiating with come in with with a lawless they're they're absolutely a
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lawless government and that's the whole problem that's why we're trying to leave here they're
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They're the people that send these corrupt chiefs, which is not even a question,
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The Tides Foundation is the American people that started the dirty oil campaign
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So these people are the people that are doing this.
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We have a market in Asia that's going to take as much oil as we can produce,
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Oh, it'll likely be seven, eight years from what I've heard.
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Well, it'll be never because we're going to have to go through all the same nonsense
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that we're doing right now but yet we're paying up front yeah i know so i mean i'm just i'm just
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saying as much charm as our premier has and i've been taken in by it as much as anyone
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at some point we're going to have to look and see what's actually happening in boots on the ground
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and seeing what kind of results we're getting and i'm going to share with you we have none
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as a matter of fact we're worse off than we were when we started uh not saying that this
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is ever going to stop because it's not going to stop because there's a lot of people that
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want to do this and the whole thing is jason canney famously said if this is my base i want
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a new base i think the premier said telling us the same thing my immediate reaction last night was
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has the premier crossed the floor on us again and uh you know has she crossed the floor on us again
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that was my immediate reaction and and you know what seriously you can tell i'm angry because i
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am i know you are but but the whole but the whole thing is this you know keith can say oh yeah she's
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boxed in she's boxed in well yeah well she's gonna have to make some decisions at some point uh you
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know all of these nine questions that she has on her are all redundant questions she knows the
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answer to all of them when she came into power first year she said oh we're going to increase
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the population of alberta to 10 million people we're going to bring in that many people well
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we're at five and we're clogged right up so uh i don't understand how we were ever going to get to
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10 and then the people booed her at her first uh at her first or second agm i was at all of them
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and supported her with bringing more people there to support her than anybody in the province
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year after year after year after year but at some point it's enough and right now
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she has to start doing things fast so what do you expect um what do you expect everybody to
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do moving forward as we get closer to this question well we got this question now mitch
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what do you want people well the question's ridiculous the question has to change the
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question is so you want her to change the question you expect her to change this question to your
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question yeah yeah she can change well she can change the question period well yeah change it
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to our question see what happens change it to lucasic's question would be a big upgrade to
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this and i would never support that but i wouldn't be yelling my head off what do you think the
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chances of that happening are well 100 if they want to do it so just let's play out this this
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little stupid game here okay because so the other night they said okay well you're not going to get
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your question based on the court case so the cosmic question gets put in there it's a yes or
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no question all right so the opportunity uh that that's presented with the classic question is this
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people can vote to snub ottawa in the classic question and we can get a 60 or 65 vote in favor
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of alberta independence uh with absolutely no uh consequences to it so what happens then john
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I'm going to tell you what the problem is here, John.
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And the way they're reacting is I know they think we could win
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So Polly, I was coming here to campaign this summer.
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All these guys inform me and say, hey, your poll results are 22%, 23%, 28%.
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If our poll numbers are 28%, call the question.
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give us our question what have you got to lose if it's no uh then uh you don't have to deal with it
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if it's yes well then you at least you know uh what the uh what the people of alberta think
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and uh she has nothing to lose she doesn't have to take the question and put it forward anyway
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asking the question is country never used to be against the law petitioning government for change
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never used to be against the law we've got we've got a band of 33 aboriginals that live on a reserve
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with 197 million dollars in the bank and another 100 million on the way uh that are basically
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laughing at us if you see the interview uh on how this is the shape of our democracy now i'm going
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to ask you another question so if we allow this to happen in alberta uh how far down our road do
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you think we are before we lose our property rights like they've done in bc i i know that
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So what I'm saying to you is Aboriginal people are going to take over the...
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I'm just mad at the way this is going because I see this is UNDRIP.
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This is all of that stuff that's happening now.
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And so if this happens and they allow this to happen,
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that all of a sudden we lose the ability to govern our province based on this.
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It didn't make sense when this ruling was made.
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basically the people of the province, the 300,000 people who signed this petition,
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will ask their government for a question. And we were told, you can't do that. You have to ask
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these five chiefs whether they can agree with us or not. That's basically what we're told. That's
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not democracy at all. But we can still win this thing, Mitch. And you said here to me-
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I can still win this thing, John, but maybe getting along with Daniela is not the path.
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Well, maybe not. And I want to finish up with that in just a moment. We can still win this
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thing. You've said to me many times here, and you've said it over the last year, I could probably
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go back and clip them out. This was never going to be easy, Mitch. You said, John, this was never
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going to be easy. We knew this kind of stuff was going to happen. Well, here it is again.
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And how are we going to attack this issue we've got? I think it's a pipe dream to think she's
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going to change her mind on this and give you the question that you want right now. So what
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do you want people to do? Well, what do I want people to do?
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We asked them to come to a conference in Panoka
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until 4 o'clock in the afternoon waiting for them
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And there's maybe some collusion going on here.
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We're not going to go talk to those people at all.
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That's what I'm assuming might have happened here
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Not even the guys that were a half-hour drive away.
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I've got, I guess we're going to have to do our own consulting.
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So I have a meeting with a former chief from Coley First Nations here,
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who totally, by the way, agrees with Alberta independence at some point,
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And so, and also our poll is showing that the largest group of people
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And we'll give you this in a couple of years down the road.
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She did mention, I think, within a couple of months of this vote in the fall.
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But we all have to work together on this, I think.
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We have to be unified in this, as pissed off as we are.
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I was expecting an up or down vote in October on independence.
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But now we've got to get down to business here.
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And we can deal with Danielle Smith and everything after this vote in the fall.
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But I think that in ways we might even find more people on our side on this simply because people are pissed with the federal government.
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They they aren't happy with the federal government right now.
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They might not. They might be a no when it comes to independence, but they might say in the fall, you know what?
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We should at least have a chance to vote on this.
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So there may be a silver lining in this cloud, but we got to get down to business here.
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and that's my point we're down to business every day we do this in 12 hours a day every single day
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uh we're not going to stop doing what we do good and the whole thing is is that we're going to do
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everything we can to leverage government and move them we're not going away under any circumstances
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but i have been told this multiple times by many many people you will never and i want to leave
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everybody with this unless the government supports what you're doing this is almost impossible to do
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so the whole thing is is that we have to we have to basically consider the fact that maybe we need
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to make the changes where we need to make the changes in government whether that's at the mla
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level or any other level uh in order to put people that support us uh in power so that we can actually
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make this happen and it's going to come down to us doing the same thing that we've been saying
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from from the very beginning of this whole thing that i've started with my uh four years ago
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politicians are not going to come to save us any of them that's very evident and becoming more
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evident by the day we have to do what we need to do to make sure that we get a chance to have a
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vote and do what we need to do and as a consequence to that that's going to be our mission you know
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even though we're going to speed it up now uh to to be sure that that's what gets done and and our
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and our goal has never been uh to form another conservative party and it stays that way we're
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going to work within the party we have uh legally and we're going to absolutely go to work and so
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i'm asking all the people that have any stake in this at all join committees join boards join
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parties become active in your politics if this means anything to you it's going to come right
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down to our strength is numbers and if uh if that's the case then we have to have a lot of
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people doing the work you know i um we've had so many discussions it was um a little less than a
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year ago that i spoke to you for the very first time we've had so many great discussions here
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very much positive um this is certainly the most challenging thing that's happened uh there's the
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saying though that what that which does not kill us only makes us stronger and i think
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i'm trying to think of the quote um i feel i feel that we have given our enemy uh an incredible
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resolve and that's what they said after pearl harbor they they got this the united states
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really mad and i think you got a lot of people in this province really mad with this question last
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night and these people who have been out there in the snow that you and i admire so much are going
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to be going to even have more resolve to win this thing we need to work together and this is the
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again the hand we've been dealt and we got to deal with it and and we're behind you mitch we want to
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win this thing it just might take a little bit more time and that that's where i am on this
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I think the best way to sum this up is we're very disappointed.
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We're tired of being disappointed by these people.
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What bugs me, Mitch, is that we now have to campaign to have another campaign.
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and we're probably going to be campaigning in the damn winter again if it happens again you know
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and that's the thing uh yeah I mean it there's a lot of barriers in the way we did not know this
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was going to be easy but at the end I think a big win on this will be even more satisfying that's
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what I'm hoping happens around a year from now that's what I'm hoping happens and we've got to
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keep the premier's feet to the fire and make sure she stands by her word that that's going to happen
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when we win this thing in October and we have to focus on that?
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I listened to that question and I don't even know what the heck that means.
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I can't imagine how that's going to be a clear question on anything.
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Do you support Alberta independence? Yes or no?
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You know, I mean, there's lots of things that they could do there.
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That question is absolutely designed to confuse people.
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You know, Jeff and I were talking about that last night.
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Neither one of us understands what the hell that is.
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Everybody said the premier's been boxed, the premier's boxed, the premier's boxed.
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If we're, you know, we're going into election cycle, it's going to be two years, Jeff.
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it's not because if and understand this they don't have to have an election until 2018
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uh 2020 2028 i'm sorry so 2028 they can they don't have to have a spring election next year
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so that's a choice so we'll see how that goes actually the election is planned one year less
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a day from the referendum on october 19th one year less so exactly so so so then uh in in january
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of 2026, 2027, we cannot, we cannot call a referendum vote. So we're going into the next
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year in 2028, and then we're going to junk monkey around that for a year or two. And then we'll get
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our referendum vote, what, in 2029? And by then, at the speed that liberals are going, they'll have
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been in power for three or four years. What's the country going to look like by then, is my question.
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What do you want people, just to finish up on this, Mitch, what do you want people to do
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right now you've been asking people to join the ucp continue to do that obviously if you can
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absolutely donate at albertaprosperityproject.com good time to do that right now folks by for
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goodness sakes if you want to do that from anywhere uh donate right now what do you want
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people to do at this moment i want people to talk about this i want people to talk to their
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neighbors about this i want people to talk to people on the fence about this this is a clear
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erosion of our democracy this is a clear erosion of all the rights that we have as people
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I think the Aboriginal question is a very serious thing,
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in the lower mainland can't get mortgages anymore
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because nobody understands who the property belongs to.
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something that I would have never thought possible here in Alberta,
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based on the fact that what our treaties are saying.
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I'm thinking that we have to pay very close attention
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and what the consequences of it are long-term for Alberta.
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Get involved in your area. See who the candidates are. Make sure that you vote for the candidate that thinks and feels like you do, however that is. And you basically need to become more active in everything we do. If we become more active, then we control the narrative and we control the situation. And you might be surprised to know that if we become that active, that question might change and probably will.
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difficult morning after difficult evening last night difficult morning after difficult
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discussion here this morning um but you know we got your back mitch you know 100 understand that
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i understand different perspectives yeah um it's just it's just taking me a long time to get to
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where i'm at this morning this has been a four-year uh evolution and you know at some point
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You've got to take the scales off your eyes so that you can see what's going on.
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And sadly, I believe that scales came off last night.
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I still am disappointed, but this is what we've got.
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And I know you guys are going to deal with it in the best way.
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Well, it'll be within the next couple of weeks, for sure.