John Bolton - October 20, 2026


Disappointment, But Hope For The Future - Referendum Reaction

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00:00:00.000 We don't have the final results. I think the numbers are going to fluctuate.
00:00:04.880 But it's fair to say that at least a quarter of Albertans feel that Alberta needs to be treated better, that Alberta can do better.
00:00:15.620 Alberta is a remarkable province. Our geography, our people, our resources.
00:00:22.440 And for too long, many of us have felt that we've been held back, not by forces beyond our control, but by forces in Ottawa.
00:00:37.660 Hi, it's John and welcome to the channel 143 AM, Tuesday, October the 20th.
00:00:44.380 I hope you're having a fantastic Tuesday. I do appreciate you being here.
00:00:49.680 And I am just getting back from a Let Alberta Decide referendum watch party.
00:00:57.400 And to say I'm disappointed is an understatement.
00:01:02.340 I think everybody in the room tonight was disappointed.
00:01:05.320 You know what I'm most disappointed in?
00:01:07.240 I'm most disappointed in the people in Alberta who seem to think that voting for option one was the best choice in this referendum.
00:01:15.420 I think many of them may end up regretting it.
00:01:18.200 I do believe that.
00:01:19.180 I'm not going to give you any sour grapes right now.
00:01:22.180 I am disappointed.
00:01:23.140 Everybody in the room tonight was disappointed.
00:01:26.340 But many of them wanted to put on a brave face.
00:01:30.860 Many of them are planning for the future of the Alberta independence movement,
00:01:35.240 which, as far as I'm concerned, is not over.
00:01:37.900 We will take some time off.
00:01:39.260 We will look at what happened.
00:01:40.940 We will chart a path forward.
00:01:43.060 I understand Premier Smith will be talking to the province later today.
00:01:48.260 It is Tuesday, after all, 1.44 a.m., I think around 6.30 p.m., so we'll have to hear what she has to say.
00:01:54.860 Now, I was at this party tonight, a lot of people there, and what I think I'll do right now is allow the people who were at the party, a number of them, to talk to you.
00:02:04.180 Keith Wilson, Tanya Clemens, Marty up north, John Tomkinson from United Alberta Flags, and my good friend Jason Levine, along with Bruce Party, who had some great insight as to what happened tonight.
00:02:19.040 And then we'll wrap it up at the end.
00:02:21.420 I asked them a number of questions, how we move forward, what they thought these numbers
00:02:25.880 meant, what it meant for Daniel Smith, and what Mark Carney and the Liberal government
00:02:30.660 might be doing as well.
00:02:31.740 So what we'll do is we'll start off with the words from Keith Wilson and Tanya Clemens
00:02:36.880 and hear what they had to say immediately after a concession speech, part of which you
00:02:41.660 saw off the top of this video. 0.97
00:02:43.240 Here with Keith Wilson, let Alberta decide about five after 12.
00:02:47.860 You just made a short speech here, Keith.
00:02:50.940 We're at about maybe 25% of the polls.
00:02:53.900 It looks like the other side has won this concession speech.
00:02:58.400 Yes?
00:02:58.840 Yeah, well, sure.
00:02:59.740 And, you know, when you have a quarter of the population that feels that Canada is not working for them, that's something to take seriously.
00:03:09.660 And the engagement that we've had with people, the discussions that we've started, those are going to continue.
00:03:14.240 Because by every objective measure, Albertans would be better off if we can change the constitutional relationship with Ottawa so that we can be electing our politicians here instead of being subject to whatever political winds happen to be blowing at any given time in Ottawa and Quebec.
00:03:34.540 Yeah. What do you fear when we have a vote like this? I mean, I know you've had some fears prior to this vote tonight concerned about perhaps our oil and gas being used against the United States of America, things like that. The federal government might feel emboldened by this vote. What do you think?
00:03:54.280 well they could and that would be an error but you know it might happen right and what's
00:03:59.060 interesting though and everybody needs to keep in mind is that um the supreme court of canada was
00:04:05.740 clear that the citizens of any province have the right of political self-determination that they
00:04:13.260 can exercise through a referendum process and the alberta government can trigger a referendum at
00:04:22.380 any time. And even though right now the premier's indicated that she won't do that, if Prime
00:04:28.680 Minister Carney brings in an export tax and decimates our economy, then that could just
00:04:35.580 change overnight. So this is a step in the journey. It's not the end. We keep going.
00:04:41.280 I do want to ask you that. You say it's a step in the journey. There are people who have been
00:04:44.840 working. I'm going to put it this way. They've been working their asses off. You've been working
00:04:48.520 your ass is your ass off and so is tanya and and a lot of people have been out putting up signs for 0.97
00:04:53.880 months and working so hard where do we move these where we move from this people want alberta 1.00
00:05:00.440 independence does this does this movement continue where do we go from here what's the next step i
00:05:05.520 guess well we've got a we've got to uh take a breath yeah uh it's been a big pull but i think
00:05:12.760 what's really important is that we keep having the discussions you know I've said this many many
00:05:18.620 times by every objective measure Albertans will be better off our children will be better off
00:05:24.760 our grandchildren will be better off by changing the constitutional order by changing the way
00:05:30.400 we're treated by Ottawa and um and I just don't know that they're going to be able to resist the
00:05:37.660 temptation. It's very clear. Even Thomas Lukasik a couple weeks ago when he went to Ontario and
00:05:43.800 he spoke at the Economic Club or something or the Toronto Club, something in Toronto,
00:05:48.600 he was even surprised by the apathy, the lack of interest, the unengagement, the lack of engagement
00:05:55.820 that he got when he pled with them to show my respect for Alberta. So, you know, you'll only
00:06:00.960 be taken for granted for so long. So many more Albertans, even those who voted for stay,
00:06:06.340 now understand that there is an alternative.
00:06:10.040 They chose to stay alternative this time,
00:06:12.240 but if Ottawa mistreats us and doesn't make substantive progress,
00:06:17.200 doesn't respond to the request from the Premier for concrete action,
00:06:21.300 then everything could change again.
00:06:23.460 I was just looking at some of the other votes.
00:06:25.840 We're not sure about them.
00:06:27.260 It doesn't look like it's going well for some of the constitutional questions.
00:06:30.400 Do you think there are repercussions for the Premier on this
00:06:33.560 and maybe even some of the other questions that were on this ballot.
00:06:36.400 There are nine other questions.
00:06:37.640 Yeah, I think it just creates confusion and it's going to be a mixed message.
00:06:40.800 Yeah. Keith, thank you.
00:06:42.440 Thanks so much for what you've done, Tanya.
00:06:44.880 You guys were quite a team and you put together a great team.
00:06:48.640 You're great leaders.
00:06:49.740 Thank you very much for what you've done.
00:06:51.040 And thanks for everything you've done, John.
00:06:52.240 Thank you. Thank you.
00:06:53.540 I got to get my platform shoes.
00:06:55.980 No, no, it's all good. It's all good. It's all good.
00:06:57.720 Here with Marty, Marty up north.
00:07:00.120 We're watching the numbers here.
00:07:01.680 I just spoke with Keith.
00:07:02.980 The number is around 23%, 24%.
00:07:04.800 You walked up and said, look, by tomorrow, what do you expect?
00:07:07.780 It's going to climb to 30%, maybe a little bit more.
00:07:13.760 This is an unusual election in that they published the advance poll numbers first
00:07:23.100 and then started counting today's numbers.
00:07:25.900 I mean, right now I'm looking at the screen.
00:07:27.820 They've only counted 32% of the vote, which is like nothing.
00:07:33.760 And we know historically things flip a lot.
00:07:37.820 Like modern elections are different than the elections of 20 years ago
00:07:41.640 because there's such a significant amount of early voting and mail-in voting.
00:07:47.660 So I think, and I think credit to Thomas Lukasik,
00:07:52.460 I think he ran a good campaign of getting people out to vote early.
00:07:56.740 that was his strategy and so the early vote reflects that he's winning the early vote i
00:08:03.340 think we're gonna win the the today's vote the in-person vote the amazing thing about the early
00:08:09.800 votes is you can't convince those people to change their vote after they've already voted too exactly
00:08:14.300 they've already made up their mind even if we made a good there's a reason why so many political
00:08:20.020 political parties want those early votes absolutely what if it is 33 when we wake up in
00:08:26.700 the morning um that means are you satisfied with that oh 100 i mean like hey i'm satisfied already
00:08:34.320 now like you know we went to a rally this weekend we went to a rally last year in october
00:08:39.960 last year in october we didn't even think we'd have a referendum so so i mean i you know
00:08:46.580 pragmatically speaking i still think this referendum is a bit of a consolation prize
00:08:50.580 there's a bit of you know i'm not happy with the whole citizens initiative and the courts
00:08:55.700 interfering and the first nations i'm not happy with that but but we had an opportunity to send
00:09:01.620 a message and the message is is significant if it's 33 or 30 that's one in three so if you walk
00:09:08.500 into a room and there's 10 people there's three of them that are not happy with ottawa right right
00:09:13.380 And we have to look at not just questions, like when we talk, we're talking question 10 implicitly, but there's nine other questions and they're coming out as yes.
00:09:24.420 Right, right.
00:09:26.200 Which is a voice.
00:09:27.320 People are saying we're not happy.
00:09:28.880 What do you think the next step is for us?
00:09:31.020 There are a lot of people watching you right now.
00:09:33.680 You've become a strong voice in this movement.
00:09:35.960 What do you think we should be doing next?
00:09:37.560 How does the Alberta independence movement continue from tonight?
00:09:41.920 Take a break.
00:09:42.580 i think we need to do that what do you think we should yeah i just want to take a break
00:09:45.880 you were out in the side of the road saying this for weeks now i just want to go i have to change
00:09:51.140 the spark plugs in my old truck and i'm putting it off forever and ever right uh no like we need
00:09:56.640 to uh we need to calm down a little bit take the the rhetoric a little bit down and and our leaders
00:10:05.320 It's our leaders need to reach out to each other and try to, you know, they have to recognize that it's not 100-0, it's not 90-10, it's 70-30.
00:10:19.480 And that's a challenge.
00:10:21.880 That means that there's a fundamental disagreement with a lot of people.
00:10:26.420 We're not a fringe.
00:10:28.260 And so leaders have to take that into consideration.
00:10:31.000 And it's all leaders.
00:10:32.460 It's the Keiths of the world and the Jeff Raths and the Danielle Smith and the Thomas Dukasics and Pierre Poiliev.
00:10:40.120 Like, they have to come through now.
00:10:41.980 They have to analyze this.
00:10:43.440 We've voiced our opinion, and you can't ignore us.
00:10:46.100 That's a fundamental thing that we have to say.
00:10:48.200 Like, we're not a fringe movement.
00:10:50.700 Right.
00:10:51.160 Marty, thanks for everything you've done.
00:10:52.320 You're welcome.
00:10:52.980 Hope to see you around real soon.
00:10:54.100 Yeah, yeah.
00:10:54.600 Cheers, folks.
00:10:55.680 And here with my friend Tanya Clemens from Let Alberta Decide.
00:10:59.560 And right now, I think we're sitting at, I don't know, maybe 23, 24 percent.
00:11:04.500 I was talking with Marty up north. He expects by morning 33 percent.
00:11:08.620 I know you're disappointed. I know Keith is disappointed.
00:11:11.440 I spoke with him already. I'm disappointed. A lot of people disappointed tonight.
00:11:15.020 What are your thoughts and what do you have to say to people who have been working so hard and diligently over the last, oh, God, 18 months, probably?
00:11:22.960 And specifically since January 2nd, when those petitions went out there, what do you have to say to them right now?
00:11:27.760 Well, I'm disappointed because we were anticipating or hoping for a majority win so that we could deliver that mandate to our provincial government and empower them with that strength to negotiate with Ottawa.
00:11:38.260 But it's because we were looking at getting 50% plus one.
00:11:42.740 But if you look at the results now the way they are and try to take away your disappointment out of it, we've got one in four Albertans, which may be one in three Albertans by the morning, supporting the pursuit of independence.
00:11:55.260 So when you're walking around Alberta tomorrow, know that one out of every four people that you're seeing, maybe one out of every three people that you're seeing, is supporting all your efforts and the work that you did.
00:12:06.860 That's huge.
00:12:07.600 And especially when you think about where we were a year ago or 10 years ago or 20 years ago, like we have shifted the conversation and really brought it to the forefront.
00:12:16.800 And not even just for Albertans, but like it's on a global stage.
00:12:19.860 There's global media everywhere talking about it.
00:12:22.020 Other countries are talking about it.
00:12:23.140 Everybody has been watching what's happening in Alberta.
00:12:25.260 and watching the conversations that we're having.
00:12:29.020 Yeah, I know that you've been working real hard.
00:12:32.340 Work hard on your farm.
00:12:34.080 Work hard for Let Alberta Decide. 0.94
00:12:35.880 Work hard on your farm.
00:12:37.400 Other people have been out there.
00:12:39.680 It's just amazing the number of volunteers that are out there.
00:12:43.800 Where do you think we should go from here?
00:12:45.480 I mean, I'd like to see this movement continue.
00:12:50.740 I'd like to work towards another vote eventually.
00:12:53.020 That may be a lot of years off.
00:12:54.160 you think of the last time this happened it took 30 35 years basically since i don't think it'll be
00:12:59.680 that long i think that we we've got momentum and it's going and it's like what keith my partner
00:13:04.880 says that once you see it you can't unsee it so there's going to be some things that carney does
00:13:11.200 in the near future i'm sure that causes the world of hurt to albertans that maybe will make a few
00:13:15.920 people that voted for option one go man what was i doing regret yeah maybe a little bit of regrets
00:13:21.360 But regardless of how the path forward looks, I am so, so proud of the people who work so hard on this.
00:13:30.140 Like, do not forget the convoys of blue, the flags along the highways, the honking, the people who were babysitting and repairing signs all through the nights, the rallies, the conversations, the like Chris and his Let's Talk Alberta and bringing everybody and welcoming them into the conversation.
00:13:49.980 like these are very big things to be very very proud of the friendships yeah and the friendships
00:13:56.860 of course we met the best people on this for sure we're sitting here in a couple of chairs in uh
00:14:02.460 downtown calgary right now and it wasn't too long ago i'm on your farm we're sitting in your chairs
00:14:07.580 in your combine and it has great day it has been one of the most fulfilling things for me in my
00:14:12.460 life and i've i've been so happy to be part of this but it's all the people i've met and people
00:14:17.180 like you. So thank you so much. Oh, thank you. It's awesome. It's been awesome. And we are
00:14:22.600 disappointed, definitely. But I'm proud of what we've done. Thank you. Yeah, I'm super proud,
00:14:27.640 too. I'm proud of Hal Burton's. Thank you for all of your work, guys. Here with John Tomkinson
00:14:32.820 from United Alberta Flags. You've been out working real hard. You know, I drove up to Edmonton the
00:14:38.620 other day, saw signs pretty much every quarter. Oh, sorry, flags. Getting flags up everywhere.
00:14:43.400 Yeah, it was unbelievable. You've been working very hard on this. Your feelings. I mean, I spoke with Keith, we're at about 23%. Marty says, we'll likely be at 33 by the morning.
00:14:53.380 I suspect so, too. I suspect, I mean, the numbers that are coming in now are the early ballots. I think it is disappointing. It is not what we would like to have seen.
00:15:02.460 However, you know, it took hours to get through the polls. There were delays there as well. It's going to take hours to get through two to three million ballots on 10 different questions.
00:15:12.780 Yeah. So we've got a preliminary sense here. And, you know, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I mean, yeah, Keith gave us an excellent concession speech. These aren't the numbers that we wanted. But when we take a step back and pause, regardless of where they come out, and I do tend to agree that I think we're looking at closer to 30 percent right now, even with this low benchmark, one in four Albertans is ready to take a walk.
00:15:37.820 That is a profound signal to the entire country.
00:15:42.080 That's a profound signal to our current government and our current leadership.
00:15:45.620 That's a profound signal to Kearney, to Quebec, to Ontario, to Manitoba, to the entire nation,
00:15:53.180 that there's something fundamentally flawed in Canada.
00:15:57.040 It might not have been the 50% that some people wanted or were worried about.
00:16:00.340 It's still substantial to think that a quarter of the population of our province is ready to walk.
00:16:06.300 You've been working hard at this.
00:16:08.000 Where do we go from here?
00:16:09.620 I said to Bart, you need a break.
00:16:11.520 Yeah, I'm going to go home and I'm going to sleep in tomorrow.
00:16:14.760 That's what I'm going to do.
00:16:16.460 And not drive my van carrying hundreds of flags up and down the province each day.
00:16:21.060 Right, right.
00:16:22.020 Where do we go from here?
00:16:23.560 You know, I think really it's going to come down to take a look at the numbers,
00:16:27.020 try and dig out some gems in there,
00:16:29.360 try and figure out what it is that our current government
00:16:32.500 and current premier is going to do with questions one to nine.
00:16:37.140 Obviously, our big concern is with 10, but 10 already has some.
00:16:40.840 I think there is still opportunity and value across Canada
00:16:44.740 to really sit down and have an honest conversation
00:16:48.000 about some of the inequality that's in the country.
00:16:50.760 Because once you see independence, you can't unsee it.
00:16:54.680 This is not going away.
00:16:56.880 There's going to be conversation, there's going to be dialogue,
00:16:59.460 and there's going to have to be action one way or the other
00:17:02.260 to quell this i mean alberta's not the only one and while these are the results that we didn't
00:17:07.220 want or it's preliminary anyways we know that quebec is on the verge of referendum we know that
00:17:13.220 petitions are going on in saskatchewan we know that bc is forming so if this is the first domino
00:17:19.740 and it didn't quite fall if nothing changes and the status quo continues how long until they all
00:17:26.040 wobble and the whole deck of cards comes down so what do i see going forward i see continued
00:17:31.580 dialogue civic dialogue with our leaders with our neighbors with our family with our friends
00:17:36.140 keep a conversation going be open-minded share your thoughts don't be afraid and you know what
00:17:40.940 it doesn't matter for a referendum or not nobody should ever be afraid to fly the alberta flag if
00:17:46.300 you live in alberta you know what you can still paint the province blue you can still be a proud
00:17:51.420 albertan you can still fly a flag and not be afraid of it right john thanks so much for everything
00:17:57.180 you've done thank you john been great getting to know you as well it has been a journey thank you
00:18:02.100 sir so i'm here with uh jason levine and bruce party uh it is 12 30 in the morning
00:18:08.440 i just had a concession speech from keith wilson jason um and the numbers right now i think are
00:18:15.920 23 24 percent for option two your thoughts uh i think calgary shaw taught us something it's the
00:18:22.780 advanced voting and the mail-in ballots that have really supported option one on this one.
00:18:28.080 A lot of people showed up for that, put their ballots in the mail, it looks like.
00:18:31.660 Even my Drayton Valley-Devon, the day of election, it's a lot of option two support, however,
00:18:36.860 option one on the mail-in ballots.
00:18:38.400 So I think that's where this one was going to be won or lost.
00:18:41.320 Bruce?
00:18:42.300 Well, this is going to be a test now.
00:18:46.140 From this point on, it's obvious that a lot of Albertans have decided
00:18:50.260 that they think canada can be fixed and so they should pay close attention to whether or not that
00:18:58.700 actually happens the the the premise of danielle smith's campaign was we can fix canada inside
00:19:05.820 canada so don't vote to leave vote to stay so the people of alberta the majority of them anyway have
00:19:13.140 voted to stay so next thing is to see whether or not canada can actually be fixed inside canada
00:19:21.140 with albert is still part of it so let's see do you expect anything any reaction from the federal
00:19:26.780 government to this and do you think any anything bad it's going to come to this or anything good
00:19:32.840 this is what concerns me because i think mark carney and the rest of federal governments can
00:19:37.280 consider this as a win and also a validation of his current government so things like eu
00:19:42.880 membership and the trade tariff war with Trump, I think he's going to look at this as a validation
00:19:47.980 that he's on the right track. And even Albertans support that. Being the most conservative province
00:19:52.740 in the country, it's probably going to be a very big pat on his back. And I think that's how they're
00:19:58.380 going to take it. I saw a lot of red they're putting on the map. And that represented option
00:20:03.540 one tonight, I think. I'm kind of concerned about that, Bruce. You know, this is a very blue
00:20:08.360 province um i i said myself when i went in to vote uh advanced polling tuesday morning nine
00:20:15.960 o'clock a lot of elbows up in the room a lot of retirees a lot of people voting for right i think
00:20:22.420 donald trump was part of this what do you think well so not only did um option one on question 10
00:20:30.480 win but the results so far anyway show that the constitutional questions have been turned down
00:20:38.800 by most of the voters and that's very interesting because that leaves alberta's grievances without
00:20:47.240 much basis now in terms of popular support i mean how how is it that danielle smith could now go to
00:20:54.000 the federal government and say alberta's not happy with its place in confederation she has no
00:20:59.580 mandate not from option two and not from the constitutional questions to even ask
00:21:06.060 for constitutional amendments now those to be clear those amendments would never have happened
00:21:09.900 anyway but what what has happened to all alberta's grievances based upon this vote it looks like
00:21:19.020 most of the people think that they're rubbish and so where you go from here as a province i'm not
00:21:24.620 sure huge stumble for danielle smith i think uh we're gonna find a little bit more tomorrow as if
00:21:30.380 official numbers come in she's going to give a a speech at 6 30 p.m on tuesday so we'll hear what
00:21:36.540 she has to say but within the party itself there's a lot of support for independence
00:21:40.600 and uh i'm gonna you know be watching that one closely to see how the members actually respond
00:21:46.680 to that whether they blame her for the option one victory four million dollars when the government
00:21:50.900 was used on this campaign, and she advocated strongly for option one
00:21:54.980 along with the rest of the establishment.
00:21:56.700 So I'm curious to see how the members are going to respond to this.
00:21:59.560 I think I know, I'm losing my voice here,
00:22:02.200 I think I know how you're going to answer this question, Jason.
00:22:04.620 I'm going to ask the same question to Bruce.
00:22:06.180 He's not from Alberta, but you're disappointed tonight.
00:22:10.480 Well, the first part I'm not disappointed about
00:22:13.120 is the actual people came out to vote and had their say.
00:22:15.400 I really enjoyed that.
00:22:16.520 It's one of the first votes in a long time 0.99
00:22:18.340 where Alberta actually got to have their say.
00:22:20.120 But I am a little disappointed that if the numbers stay where they are now and they don't creep up to, say, 35 percent, that we actually did lose support during the campaign across Alberta.
00:22:29.740 And that part surprised me because I didn't see people leaving the option two side, going to option one.
00:22:35.820 So I'm not sure how that happened.
00:22:38.060 Early polling had it at 30 percent, pretty strong for a while.
00:22:41.560 So that's the part I'm going to be paying attention to over the next day or so.
00:22:45.080 Bruce, I think this is an interesting question for you.
00:22:47.900 You're not from here.
00:22:48.760 You keep coming out here to talk about this. You found, I think you find Alberta to be interesting. This is the true hope for the country. I think you've used words to that effect. Are you disappointed?
00:22:59.960 Yeah, I'm very disappointed. I have been thinking of Alberta as the last bastion of hope for this country. And that the people of Alberta have the sense, which many other areas of the country is lacking, that something's not right in this country.
00:23:17.640 But the results tonight don't really bear that out.
00:23:22.000 And so one has to wonder whether the population of Alberta as a whole really does think that Canada is not working very well.
00:23:32.340 These results, at least as they are right now, they might change through the night.
00:23:35.960 But as they are right now, you've got to wonder what happened to all the concerns that Alberta has been expressing for decades.
00:23:43.620 What where are those concerns in the in the in the results of this vote?
00:23:50.000 I don't see them.
00:23:52.540 Can I can I put this down to one thing that really stood out?
00:23:55.960 I I asked people last year.
00:23:59.060 I asked in June.
00:24:00.760 I think I've asked Jason.
00:24:02.380 I've asked Corey Morgan.
00:24:03.340 I've asked others.
00:24:04.800 How do you fight patriotism?
00:24:06.500 I think that came into this a lot.
00:24:07.980 I think that was a big thing.
00:24:09.400 You know, the other side was talking about unity.
00:24:11.760 You know, rah, rah for Canada, stick up for Canada.
00:24:14.900 Patriotism was the thing that we could never solve, I think, in this.
00:24:18.540 That's what I think happened here.
00:24:20.160 Well, I'm very patriotic too, and I do love Canada.
00:24:22.860 I ran in the federal election in 2025 because I wanted to help change Canada.
00:24:27.320 But to get past the patriotism, you have to really pay attention to the direction that Canada's going
00:24:32.620 and where Mark Carney's taking it and the Liberals over the last little bit.
00:24:35.300 If you're not paying attention to that and you're just paying attention to sports and stuff like that,
00:24:38.380 then, of course, patriotism is going to be front and center for you.
00:24:41.920 But if you're actually paying attention, and not many people are,
00:24:44.440 paying attention to what's actually going on with the EU membership
00:24:46.760 and other things on Carney's plate,
00:24:48.580 then I can see why patriotism won this fund.
00:24:51.780 Well, this is an interesting situation, isn't it?
00:24:55.280 It's quite ironic because if you consider this question of patriotism,
00:25:01.940 if you considered it a year or two years or three or four years ago,
00:25:06.380 patriotism was a dirty word and and the liberals and the left were accusing patriots of being 0.96
00:25:14.220 scumbags but now because the cause has changed being a patriot is the thing to be and the fact 0.93
00:25:22.140 of the matter is that uh that the albertans for my money that voted to in favor of a independence 0.97
00:25:31.520 vote are the real patriots because they have in their heads the idea of a canada that is no longer
00:25:39.920 in existence they are they are more committed to the the the lasting idea of canada the one
00:25:49.600 that they have in their heads than the one that exists now so i agree with you in terms of
00:25:53.840 campaigning that that emotional appeal to patriotism probably helped to win the day
00:25:59.520 and so if you're looking to the future in a future situation where you've got independence
00:26:06.240 sort of on the ballot again maybe sometime then i think that has to be taken head on and and the
00:26:12.360 argument has to be made that to be to be patriotic to a country that disregards your interests
00:26:19.480 is not being patriotic at all because loyalty is reciprocal if if your country is not being 0.84
00:26:24.940 loyal to you then if you're loyal to it anyway that's not being a patriot that's being a patsy
00:26:31.460 thanks very much uh bruce it's been great getting to know you hope you come back again real soon
00:26:37.720 we haven't got this referendum going anymore you got to come back soon and of course jason uh one
00:26:43.060 of the greatest things that's happened uh through this i've talked about meeting friends and we've
00:26:47.760 certainly got dear friends and you and paul and your and your sons they're wonderful your kids
00:26:53.080 are at my house right now with my wife. So thanks so much. No worries. And I just want to throw one
00:26:56.940 more thing in there. Question 10 was, are you happy with the relationship with Canada? Yes,
00:27:01.880 no. If that was the actual question, I think we would have saw 80 plus percent say no,
00:27:06.680 they're not happy. But because this was about leaving Canada or having the government bring
00:27:10.840 a binding referendum, that made people kind of worried about their vote and where it went. But
00:27:15.480 if the question was simply a yes, no, are you happy with the relationship with Canada? I think
00:27:19.800 Louisville saw 80%. No. We'll leave it at that. Thanks. Well, there you go. Some interesting
00:27:27.000 insight from a number of people at the Let Alberta Decide watch party tonight. People putting on a
00:27:32.660 brave face. But there is some hope in there, ladies and gentlemen. I don't believe that this
00:27:38.020 is over. I believe I said that at the beginning of this video. I'm not quite sure that I did
00:27:42.940 because I've been up for about 25 hours straight. But can I give you a piece of advice? And I want
00:27:48.540 you to follow my advice here. Stay off of social media over the next couple of days. Just leave it
00:27:54.700 behind, because there's going to be a lot of gloating online, and why put yourself through
00:27:59.680 that? There's lots of time to discuss what's happened here, to look at the numbers, and to
00:28:05.920 reflect on what's happened, and plan what we do moving forward. But I can guarantee you this
00:28:13.220 channel will continue. And there's plenty of time to bash Kearney, to bash the Liberals,
00:28:20.380 to bash Ottawa folks. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Thanks very much for watching.
00:28:26.440 I do appreciate it. To my friends and independents, thank you for everything that you've done.
00:28:32.200 I hope I see you very soon. If you like this video, give it a thumbs up,
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00:28:40.700 Good night.