In this episode of Talking To Albertans, I chat with the man who has been a part of the Alberta independence movement for 35 years, John Bolton Abbot. We talk about his early days as a radio broadcaster, his passion for the independence movement, and why he decided to start his own channel talking to Albertans.
00:00:00.000hi it's john and welcome to the channel uh recording this on monday march the 30th not
00:00:08.440quite sure when i'm going to upload it might be later today maybe on tuesday morning great to
00:00:14.360have you along here with the big blue mug of coffee and my newfound friend talking to albertans
00:00:21.040you can find him at talking to albertans on youtube or you can search for at john from alberta
00:00:27.760although he spells john the wrong way just j uh no it's it's it's yeah on x i spell it the right
00:00:35.560way and i also got my big blue mug of coffee and i figured it'd be a tribute to you except
00:00:40.940mine says papa bear on it so maybe i think my wife got this to me when we were in banff well
00:00:47.200john john said people got in touch with me on my email john bolton ab at gmail.com if you want to
00:00:53.280get in touch said you should put like the alberta flag on there you'd sell millions so i don't
00:00:57.640well then it might get a bit greasy i don't know yeah but it's a good way to brand yourself actually
00:01:03.400you did a good job with it i got my big blue mug of coffee i asked derek an unacceptable friend
00:01:08.840should i get rid of the mug he said no no the mug's great keep the mug everybody i see says
00:01:13.320i love the big blue mug got my hat on for you today i am el burton so you can talk to me today
00:01:18.760john and it's great to have you here and i'll put links in the description to john so you can
00:01:23.160can find him on x in the different places that he is but i admire you for what you're doing i admire
00:01:28.100you so much well you know i just doing my thing here but i admire you for what you do and i'll
00:01:32.640talk about that in just a moment i met you for the first time bouncy castle j just for a few minutes
00:01:36.800you got really busy talking to people obviously i remember you talking with dennis kalma
00:01:41.380i did a great interview with him dennis is just a wonderful guy with so much great information he
00:01:46.340wrote um let me get this document i pulled this out uh so many times but he wrote this and i know
00:01:52.360you've done you've done stuff on this on your channel i'm well over halfway through that
00:01:57.780yeah it's there's a lot there a lot of numbers and whatnot but i met you there and i met you at
00:02:02.360the whistle stop just a little over a week ago um and you're doing something you know john you're
00:02:07.800doing something that's considered rather radical these days did you know that conversation and
00:02:12.500talking it's unbelievable but what you're doing is almost radical is that way is that what you
00:02:17.640were thinking when you first started doing this and and and put your channel up talking to all
00:02:21.940burtons yeah absolutely i was one of the first people in the lineup to sign the petition
00:02:26.700yeah i was you know city tv came by and uh those guys put a camera in my face and actually at first
00:02:34.560they're like hey we want to interview you right i'm like okay this i had my big blue flag i just
00:02:38.540i carried that thing back then before my channel even and uh then i got my lines prepared and i
00:02:44.260gave them a good like two or three minute interview and those guys chop it up and they
00:02:51.080find the five times that i'm like mouth breathing a little bit and then that's what they use to
00:02:55.400represent me so i'm like you know what i'm gonna start my own channel and that's what i did i i
00:03:00.200took my gopro which i have all taken apart here and then i just like go around talking to people
00:03:05.240and i'm like i'll do a way better job than what city tv did and and actually my channel gets more
00:03:10.360views than theirs does not at all i don't i don't look at everything they do but yeah isn't that
00:03:17.000That outstanding. Good for you. And we were talking before we started recording just about a half an hour ago, and we're saying it's amazing what you can do these days. You have a voice. I was saying we all got my phone here. We all have basically a television studio in our pockets these days, and you can get your voice heard out there.
00:03:34.320And I feel it's remarkable that I can do this being a broadcaster for years. More people have heard me on my channel in the last year than my entire broadcasting career of 35 years. Pretty amazing. Isn't that amazing?
00:03:47.000Your thoughts on the independence movement.
00:03:49.080I know that you don't follow, you don't talk about federal politics.
00:03:52.420You're out there talking to Albertans, mostly about the Alberta independence movement.
00:03:57.500What are your thoughts on it right now?
00:03:59.580And what are you hearing from people when it comes to independence and how we're moving forward here?
00:04:05.860Yeah, well, I let people kind of guide the conversation.
00:04:09.920And occasionally when I see it starting to kind of taper off, but they're still interested in talking to me,
00:04:15.040then i i might throw in a few things right that are kind of interesting to me but uh i what i'm
00:04:22.460what i'm noticing is well let me back up a bit so in a good election cycle we might get like say
00:04:27.98060 voter turnout would you say that's fair like yeah and that might be on a little bit on the
00:04:34.020high side at times but yeah 60 isn't too bad yeah yeah it's bad but it's it's what you would would
00:04:39.220would expect in an upcoming election right yeah and so i started asking people uh in my two videos
00:04:45.200that are coming up here soon i got to edit them still but i'm like hey did you do anything
00:04:49.380political before this were you ever involved did you ever donate to a campaign even yeah and and
00:04:54.200so many people are saying no i am finding some who are like yeah i was a municipal candidate or
00:04:58.920something like that right but the vast majority of them seem to be like the disengaged class and
00:05:04.220My point is, you know what, if we get the 40% of Albertans who haven't been voting, they feel like the government is just so far gone from them.
00:05:33.760we really need that. The Clarity Act, which this whole process is based on, which was agreed to
00:05:39.880back in 2000 after the 95 referendum in Quebec, isn't really clear. If you read it, it's not a
00:05:46.640very long document. But do you think we can get to that point where it's too big to rig? Are you
00:05:51.180feeling that from the people when you're talking to them? Well, I mean, too big to rig would be
00:05:57.120like 95 percent or something like that right yeah it could be uh no realistically i don't see that
00:06:03.140happening but uh i mean i i definitely think we could get over over 50 and i definitely think
00:06:10.700that with a strong we do need to start thinking about a leader and i'm glad you're kind of bringing
00:06:15.400this conversation up in your videos yeah with a good leader and a good plan and a solid campaign
00:06:21.240we can probably get uh into the 60s and 70s maybe but well like for example uh jason stefan
00:06:30.200or is it yeah yeah yeah right jason they're they're brothers i get them mixed up i'm sorry
00:06:36.040yeah it was the mla anyway jason jason jason okay he comes out i read his article in uh the western
00:06:42.440standard and now the the mainstream media is cutting it up and and trying to make dick downplay
00:06:47.480it but like there's an example you know if we start getting more mainstream and then same thing
00:06:53.520with uh the debate with keith wilson coming up people who've been complaining about the government
00:06:58.560saying oh we don't have accountability and you know that's so corrupt and all this stuff well
00:07:03.020they're going to say well here's a real opportunity you can vote for this and you know and we can win
00:07:10.640mla stefan is basically telling people sign the petition the petition doesn't mean you're
00:07:15.260really doing anything to change things, but you're giving people an opportunity to change
00:07:19.720things. And that's what he's saying. I've heard word that he may have an upcoming news conference
00:07:23.800where he signs the petition. That would be something. I don't know. We'll have to see if
00:07:26.960that happens. That would be pretty awesome. But if you're talking to Albertans, you're talking
00:07:31.100to people as well who are not in favor of independence. You know, as much as you want
00:07:36.100to hear from the friendly people, people want to know from you what you're hearing from those
00:07:40.820people? And if you're getting any pushback, any, I guess, hostility from people, because we've seen
00:07:47.300some of that when it comes to the petition signing. Yeah, well, it's definitely changed.
00:07:53.660You know, the last video I tried to make where I just walked around randomly in public,
00:07:59.300people were kind of avoiding me. And that was a big noticeable change. It was hard for me to get
00:08:06.620a good conversation going with anybody and i think that now people are realizing hey you know what if
00:08:12.660i go talk to that guy with the big blue beautiful flag i'm going to get put on youtube and um this
00:08:18.220is a real thing and they're yeah people are scared you know they are what you need to understand this
00:08:24.160i worked in broadcasting for 35 years and one of the scariest words for a news person
00:08:29.400is the word streeter now a streeter is when you go out to the street and you ask people for their
00:08:35.520opinion and news people hated doing that because nobody wanted to talk to them and it was only a
00:08:41.600microphone so i am really impressed that you get to talk to so many people because streeters are
00:08:46.940very hard to do and basically that's what you're doing john yeah well i i like it too but yeah i
00:08:53.100am a little bit nervous about my safety a few times yeah um like people are starting to get
00:08:59.300now my competitive advantage for the streeters is i'm a big guy and generally people don't want
00:09:04.560to fight with me but i kind of expected someone to come up and challenge me and it's like i got
00:09:10.500stuff to lose i got an expensive camera and my teeth and you know is this where we're at
00:09:16.000but i don't think we're quite there yet i don't know i think cory morgan did a video just the
00:09:21.440other day talking about the fact that violence could be coming sooner before later you know
00:09:25.560we've seen an escalation is this as we go on uh you know we've got this court case coming up when
00:09:30.520it comes to the petition signing uh just about eight days from now or so and whether we'll be
00:09:36.220able to continue they're continuing to collect uh signatures on that but i will be happy to see
00:09:41.940the petition signing done that means the people won't have to be out there on the street putting
00:09:47.020themselves out in a situation where they might have people come up and we can move into the next
00:09:51.380process when we're actually talking about the referendum and trying to convince people to come
00:09:55.980to our side. Now, something that I've been very impressed with you about, and it's a thing that
00:10:00.800comes up all the time. You know, I did a, there was a town hall here in Queensland in Calgary
00:10:06.320back on January 10th. That was the night when everything went crazy. All of a sudden, you
00:10:09.800started seeing lineups. We had 15 people lined up outside. Dennis Kalman was there, Evan Chippia,
00:10:14.120Corey Morgan was there. And one of the things that's a problem was the Indigenous thing. Then
00:10:19.700there was the landlocked thing and other obstacles to getting independence you have gone out to talk
00:10:27.380to people who are indigenous and well done to you what are you hearing from the indigenous people
00:10:32.720you have spoken to well so first of all they reached out to me and this is kind of a slightly
00:10:38.440different format from what my videos are usually like where i just walk up to random people uh so
00:10:44.500these are people who mostly met me through x or follow me on youtube and they're like hey i
00:10:49.420i'm indigenous and i support this and i'm like all right let's just do a walk and talk and i i
00:10:55.520i'm starting to enjoy that format a little bit better um but um they they support it but i think
00:11:05.220that um they're still kind of expecting the treaties to stay the same and there's a lot of
00:11:10.960talk in the movement about people saying actually we need to renegotiate everything and so you know
00:11:18.160But hey, I mean, I just let people talk and say their opinions and I try to keep the conversation going.
00:11:25.140Yeah, I think that, is it a stumbling block? I don't know.
00:11:29.620I think what we try to tell people, the people who want independence, is that this would probably be the first time that Indigenous people would have a place at the table to maybe make a better deal for themselves.
00:11:40.540And a lot of people, Albertans, think that the Indigenous people haven't been given what's been promised.
00:11:47.680although a lot of money is put into it from a federal level but you know we still talk about
00:11:52.440clean drinking water in places across Canada as well so it's good that you're out there talking
00:11:56.280to these people have you is there is there what's the biggest surprise you've got so far when you're
00:12:01.180out talking to people what's the thing that you went whoa I never expected that um well that's a
00:12:07.320that's kind of a hard one I guess like just the sheer and a lot of canvases experiences too is
00:12:12.740is like the sheer vitriol that just some random people have yeah you know like you know just do
00:12:20.700you really have that just trigger of poison just ready to explode and sitting in the back of your
00:12:26.420head just at a moment's notice oh there's somebody i should hate boom you know and then you just
00:12:32.180caring about your day like i i can't wrap my head around that there are people like that who exist
00:12:37.700in our society and I've probably interacted with them many times at the grocery store and
00:12:43.040you know I'm not wearing any any hat and then if I wore the hat then it's the end of the world
00:12:47.860but like I try to lead by example kind of backing up to about like how you talk about violence like
00:12:54.100one of my goals personal goals is to inspire people to just be polite and courteous and
00:12:59.220respectful and really learn the arguments and you don't have to be perfect about this but
00:13:04.840we can't get rage baited no no not at all and and the thing that i've discussed here many times on
00:13:12.120the channel and i've spoken to a number of people when i've done interviews with them is there is a
00:13:17.300certain amount of passion there and it's and it's it's fueled by patriotism right they've they
00:13:22.980believe in their country so much they've always believed in the flag and they're loyal to canada
00:13:28.160and and that's a hard thing to get through how do you think moving forward in the independence
00:13:33.620movement we can break through that because i think that's the hardest nut to crack when it comes to
00:13:38.020people moving over to the independent side well and i'll tell you i gotta be careful not to reveal
00:13:43.980too much information here but a guy that a guy that i met on x said he was a former soldier who
00:13:50.940served in afghanistan and he was uh really excited he reached out to me he's like john i want to be
00:13:57.200on your video i want to talk about gun rights i want to talk about you know all these issues and
00:14:01.900i'm like great this is like an awesome topic and we talked back and forth and after about
00:14:07.740three or four days we had some issues lining up a date then he deletes his ex account
00:14:13.200and and tells me not to talk to him again and and that's it and i'm i'm never gonna pray i don't
00:14:19.940care what your issues are yeah but i'm speculating now like maybe he was afraid you know and i guess
00:14:26.980like being a former soldier he told me he served in afghanistan and i'm like okay you got something
00:14:32.300to lose and well if too many of us who are afraid to lose don't speak up then uh then we already
00:14:38.420lost yeah good point well i know i know a few people who are very big in the independence
00:14:44.460movement and they want to remain anonymous they really do i mean it can be a frightening situation
00:14:49.340i'm sure for some people they may be worried about their employment things like that could
00:14:52.920could be a problem but yeah um it's not so i don't think it's surprising that people do that
00:14:58.360i'm not too concerned about that myself um but i can see how some people might be um i mean i'm
00:15:04.620self-employed so yeah well there you go yeah no one's coming for me we talked i i guess i am as
00:15:10.960well we talked about cancel culture it's hard to cancel somebody who's self-employed right it
00:15:15.240really is yeah um you you were out yesterday i want to talk about this you went out yesterday
00:15:22.240to drop off some flags you know what's fascinating is that people ask me people people ask me about
00:15:28.520flags and I say you know I came from Ontario you would never see somebody waving an Ontario flag
00:15:33.820you can't see it right now because I've got the background here you're seeing of to Jack Lake out
00:15:38.220near Banff but I've got the you watch my videos I've got an Alberta flag up there and I find it
00:15:44.200amazing people love the Alberta flag you were out yesterday I want to talk to you a little bit about
00:15:48.180this delivering some flags um to chris scott at the whistle stop cafe you wanted to do something
00:15:53.940from him what's that about and are you moving forward with this kind of a kind of a program
00:15:59.160when it comes to flags no no i i was watching my video that i made uh at what i wouldn't who
00:16:05.940more deserving than chris scott for all the things that he's done for the community and uh and and
00:16:11.400he's doing so much i mean look there's a lot of people who deserve it so i should you know but
00:16:15.440he's right at the top of the list yeah and uh i don't even really know i only met him that day
00:16:20.540when you and i were there i didn't even meet him he was too busy the place was crazy i talked to
00:16:26.000him for like 30 seconds while he was flipping hamburgers yeah but then i'm like okay those
00:16:29.920flags are all tattered and i made a comment i'm like we should all chip in five bucks and then i
00:16:34.680was like you know what i'll just send out a message to see if i could raise a couple hundred bucks and
00:16:39.140we we ended up raising what like six hundred dollars so we bought we bought a whole bunch
00:16:44.440of flags we had we had more than we needed and then so what i did is i gave them out to some
00:16:48.800of the canvassers uh i i i took a stack uh al burton took a stack and uh but chris scott has
00:16:57.120a whole new like lineup of flags and we put them on his patio too it's so good stuff good stuff
00:17:05.600you you drive by they see that yeah you did a video uh i think it was from the whistle stop this
00:17:11.480changed everything in alberta why did you do that why'd you say that well i i feel like everything
00:17:17.680is changing i feel like people are coming together and this is what's so exciting is
00:17:22.100we're we're unifying we're starting to get a story like a common story you think about
00:17:26.680like i study history like when does the movement actually take off and it's once there's like a
00:17:32.880critical mass of people who share a common you know story and uh and i think we're starting to
00:17:39.800get to that point now with uh with this like the canvassers are they're ecstatic they love what
00:17:47.600they're doing most of them don't even want to stop canvassing and uh and the volunteers are you know
00:17:52.500and then uh we're we're all watching youtube channels like this and hearing more updates
00:17:57.520about we're seeing it on x all these people are doing this and that and this is our founding
00:18:02.300story oh it's an amazing story you know i think i mentioned to mitch sylvester on the channel uh
00:18:08.300months ago you know mitch your name could go down in history you know mitch sylvester you know started
00:18:14.700a new country basically and and we're all part of that you feel like you're part of something and
00:18:18.860when you go out and meet these people i know you're out talking to albertans you obviously
00:18:23.820like talking to people and when i go out to events and i'm pretty much a homebody i get out as much
00:18:28.460as i can and and i love meeting the people and we all feel part of something and i know you feel
00:18:33.900that way as well right well i feel that way as well and one thing i'm starting to really like
00:18:38.780about my channel is people who recognize me they they know that i'm not going to chop them up and
00:18:44.700make them look bad yeah right yeah and so the people there's a there's a level of trust that
00:18:49.420i'm really starting to notice take off where people are okay uh i can say something to this
00:18:54.300guy he's not gonna you know make me look bad and uh you know people get their voice out there right
00:19:01.180so yeah instead of running away from you they run to you right well it's it's starting to happen
00:19:07.100like okay i haven't published a video yet and i'm a humble guy and i don't like to do this kind of
00:19:13.340stuff but like the the the the uh canvasser meeting that we went to last night was like
00:19:19.900appreciation night in innisfil i had the camera running as soon as i walked in and as soon as i
00:19:25.820opened the door there's a hundred people there they saw me and they all started clapping and i'm
00:19:30.100like yeah don't let this ever get to my head i let's make a statue of mitch sylvester
00:19:36.720yeah i i find just a guy with a camera i find it fascinating when i go out places and people
00:19:43.580want to meet me and and be honest with you i'm just as pleased to meet them i really am i you
00:19:49.520You know, I just have a YouTube channel and I talk and people come up and they say they they watch me and they enjoy me and watching me.
00:19:56.480But I love meeting them. And I think you you've got a very enviable job because you're going out specifically to talk to people.
00:20:03.460And again, it's almost a radical idea these days, John, but well done. Well done to you.
00:20:09.120Moving forward, what do you see as challenges as we get into the next the next phase of this?
00:20:16.120we're going to have to have a question we expect the question i don't know they're going to hold
00:20:19.840us back from that let's hope not danielle smith seems to say she's going to put us on a referendum
00:20:24.260in the fall what do you what do you think's coming coming next for us yeah well we're going
00:20:29.920to need to start uh an education campaign and so i think a lot of social media people like yourself
00:20:35.960and hopefully myself to some degree uh will start to make uh more effort like that but
00:20:42.080we need to start having rallies and we need to start having like public events uh i'm thinking
00:20:48.720honestly flag waving sessions like in various places you know when you see 100 people
00:20:58.540with with a flag that looks like 500 and if they're all spread out along a along a busy road
00:21:05.900along the side of the road that really sends a message you know and and then we'll see because
00:21:11.960maybe the forever canada people will start to organize this too as well i see in my neighborhood
00:21:16.320there's a couple people got canada flags that are nice and crisp and i'm like okay good for you
00:21:21.500you know um but are you guys going to be able to organize large flag waves and are you going to be
00:21:27.380able to organize convoys i doubt they'll organize convoys but they'll have they'll have a couple
00:21:32.220rallies probably at the legislature and stuff like that i if it's if it's ever set up we're
00:21:38.540going to be in the same place as them i'm not going yeah i i don't ever want to be in a situation
00:21:44.160where it could fight you know you know well what i want to do and i and i and i think you're a good
00:21:49.580example of this and i think we need to do going forward is we need to encourage more people to do
00:21:54.700what you do talk just talk yeah because you might hear something that interests you because i can't
00:22:03.060be convinced to go the other way i'm i'm long past that i i consider myself an albertan now
00:22:08.740and it says it right on my hat but some people might be sitting on the fence and i met a girl
00:22:14.120when i was in where was it now was it in here it could have been iricana but um no it was her name
00:22:21.620was dora and it was in el nora that's where it was or no no young girl 20 years of age and she
00:22:28.140wasn't convinced her parents were and we had a great discussion and i said i admire you for
00:22:32.620talking thank you very much and we had a great discussion and i said i don't expect you to sign
00:22:37.500the petition today but at least you're talking and you're thinking about it so john i i appreciate
00:22:42.140what you're doing out there uh anything else yeah yeah anything else you'd like to add
00:22:47.660before you go we want to send people over to your channel of course well and i i really do
00:22:52.380like what you said there about everybody's got a phone we can all record our little videos
00:22:56.860and uh you can reach people that other people can't reach like you have a circle of friends
00:23:03.80020 or 30 people that trust you and know you and you can say things to them and hopefully that'll
00:23:09.820get the conversations going but um if everybody started making videos about here's why i support
00:23:15.820this you just publish that to your social media uh that that's really using the tool effectively
00:23:21.660and um yeah we don't all have to have these grand youtube channels which
00:23:26.840you know we'll see how like i think about long term what's the future of my channel like
00:23:32.560we win independence and then i keep talking to albertans or we lose and then i don't know if
00:23:40.100i'm going to keep talking to albertans i might go back into my shell yeah yeah absolutely well
00:23:47.020well john we'll send people over we we need you to have some more subscribers for sure
00:23:52.220on on youtube you need to have a lot more so go over and subscribe to talking to albertans find
00:23:57.740john online you can look for at john from alberta of course on x j-o-n not j-o-h-n like my name
00:24:05.260but i admire what you're doing i appreciate it it's been nice to meet you a couple of times we'll
00:24:08.780have to sit down uh sometime when we have an opportunity just to chat um but thank you very
00:24:13.980much for talking to me and i i want to talk to more people in the independence movement
00:24:17.900because the great thing about what i do and i say this every time i go out to these petition
00:24:21.500signing things is i love that we're signing people up for the petition but i love the fact that i get
00:24:26.140a chance to talk to people and um just such nice people and friendly and happy people uh the people
00:24:31.980in the independence movement thanks again for what you're doing well and one more thing it's like
00:24:36.460we're gonna have to do a walk and talk with this thing this is how i record my videos i always like
00:24:40.940to show that this is a tiny little camera yeah i could go for a walk and talk and then that'll be
00:24:46.300fun it's yeah it's amazing we should get out when the weather's better we're getting a snowstorm in
00:24:50.780calgary oh it's fine even in the cold yeah i know i know it is but you have to understand i don't
00:24:56.300like winter very much and it's getting a little long in the tooth for me john thanks so much
00:25:01.180links in the description um to check it out yeah yeah and make sure you subscribe as well
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