John Bolton - Imagine No Income tax - The Value of Freedom with Guest Dennis Kalma

00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John. And just before I get to the interview with Dennis Kalma, who is the co-writer

00:00:05.560 of The Value of Freedom, a great interview, by the way, that will tell you how you and your

00:00:09.960 family will benefit from Alberta independence. Some great news has happened since I did the

00:00:14.780 interview with Dennis. The petition campaign has started. It's so exciting. There's a new

00:00:21.440 website you can go to as well. I want to bring this to your attention. It's called stayfreealberta.com.

00:00:26.620 All the information you're going to need when it comes to the independence movement here

00:00:30.340 in Alberta. If you're interested in signing a petition, more information here at stayfreealberta.com.

00:00:36.540 They're also looking for canvassers. If you'd like to volunteer some of your time, be sure

00:00:40.100 to do that as well. And if you'd like to donate to the movement, be sure to do that. It's going

00:00:45.520 to take some money to get this over the line to get independence here in Alberta. And you

00:00:50.080 can make a donation at stayfreealberta.com. Keep in mind that the people who are involved,

00:00:55.440 the people involved with the Alberta Prosperity Project are not collecting a salary. The most

00:01:00.360 they get are hotel rooms and some gas money so they can travel around the province and

00:01:05.300 spread the word about independence. So donate if you can. Every little bit counts. Now to

00:01:10.340 my interview with Dennis Kalma, co-writer of The Value of Freedom.

00:01:14.000 Hi, it's John and welcome to the channel. It is Saturday, January the 3rd. Great to have you along

00:01:28.740 today here, of course, with the big blue mug of coffee. I move it over in front of my face. It

00:01:33.620 always disappears when I use Zoom. And today I've got a special guest with us. As you can see,

00:01:39.240 my guest today is Dennis Kalma, who is the co-writer of The Value of Freedom. Here's the

00:01:45.580 document right here. This is available at the Alberta Prosperity Project website. Link in the

00:01:50.460 description so you can check this out. All the numbers are in here. If you've got any questions

00:01:54.760 regarding what independence in Alberta will mean from a standpoint of economics, it's right in here.

00:02:01.100 Dennis, great to have you here. I only met you recently. Thank you so much for talking to me today.

00:02:05.440 I appreciate it. I'm more than happy to join in and give whatever information I can.

00:02:09.140 You know what? I was looking through this again today. I've looked at it many times. I think I

00:02:12.400 might have picked this up. I think maybe back on, I'm trying to think, back in the summertime sometime,

00:02:18.040 I grabbed this. And if you go through this, there's information in here about the environment,

00:02:23.320 Indigenous people, immigration, work permits, education, policing, border, postal services,

00:02:28.760 so many things. I mean, it touches on everything. I want to try to stick with the numbers here,

00:02:34.640 what it means to people when it comes to their pocketbook. But I think we may stray into some

00:02:39.140 of those categories while we're talking here today. What did you base this document on? I mean,

00:02:45.200 where did you get the numbers regarding how much Alberta contributes to Ottawa, how much money we're

00:02:50.420 paying in equalization and all those things? So, I mean, this is where AI is your friend for doing

00:02:55.980 research, not generating numbers. The guts of it is most of the data is from places like StatsCan

00:03:02.280 and the CRA who publish, for example, StatsCan publishes annual reports on economics and CRA does

00:03:12.280 as well. The issue always is, and this is where the AI does help, is the numbers conflict.

00:03:19.280 They're accounted for differently. They're split out in different timelines and so forth. So,

00:03:24.100 the challenge was pulling it together into some sort of common base and to get a structure that

00:03:30.460 we could work with. And that was the key element. Now, the reason why the error bars, the bands are

00:03:37.700 broad as they are, is to reflect some of that uncertainty with the various sources of information.

00:03:43.460 I know you say we, and I think you're talking about Jeff Rath because he helped you write this

00:03:48.500 as well, right? Okay. So, from what I saw, I remember when this document came out and I saw it,

00:03:54.920 I thought, oh my goodness, there's going to be all kinds of pushback on the document. But

00:03:59.420 from what I saw, there wasn't, there were a few people who commented on it. So, I'm thinking

00:04:03.600 for the most part, people think those numbers are pretty correct. Have you received any feedback on

00:04:09.260 that? Actually, there's been no material feedback on any of it. And the numbers actually are getting

00:04:14.660 more and more supported. You hear, for example, Danielle Smith speak about another pipeline's worth

00:04:20.200 20 billion a year kind of numbers. And that just reinforces the calculations. And so far to this

00:04:26.660 point, we haven't found anyone say, oh, there's a bust. You know, we're getting to the point now.

00:04:31.880 You know, January 2nd, just yesterday was the day we're expecting to hear about the signature

00:04:36.640 campaigns. We're moving forward and we're going to start hearing more questions about what it means

00:04:41.580 for independence here as people start to realize this is actually going to happen this year. How much is

00:04:46.620 Alberta contributing to Canada annually? I hear conflicting numbers there. I'm talking about

00:04:51.660 federal tax contributions. Yeah. Well, I mean, if you take the total amount we give to the feds,

00:04:58.040 now this includes personal income tax, corporate income tax, you know, excise taxes, duties, all that

00:05:03.520 kind of stuff. It's on the order of around 70 billion per year. That's the amount that goes in. And in

00:05:10.180 addition to that, of course, you have the provincial taxation that occurs. And the total of those two

00:05:14.280 numbers is about 140 to 145 billion a year. So we would basically, if we vote for independence

00:05:22.400 and we go through the process of negotiating that, we would be able to keep $70 billion in the

00:05:28.380 province. Is that a correct assessment? Well, we made some pretty simplistic assumptions. We said,

00:05:33.000 we're not going to get any real improvement in efficiency by getting rid of the feds, as it were.

00:05:38.400 We said, look, the province will operate as it does, still doing education, still doing health care,

00:05:42.960 all that kind of good stuff. And so we'll leave their budget essentially untouched.

00:05:47.260 Then we said, we have to add in the services that the federal government gives to us. They do

00:05:51.820 military, they do indigenous, they do all those kinds of things. It's about eight or nine items

00:05:56.540 in total. We said, okay, we have to replace that. That's on the order of 24, 25 billion a year. So

00:06:02.680 we got to take that off the total. When you do that simple math, you get down to saying, well,

00:06:06.920 where we're going to be left over with the money we give to Canada now is between 23 and 45 billion a

00:06:13.420 year. So, you know, you say, at least we have, we'll have 23 billion more tax dollars that actually

00:06:22.380 is available for the government to do something with.

00:06:25.340 Now, the question I get on occasion, um, and what people say, and some people for the forever

00:06:31.620 Canadian campaign are saying is that if Alberta leaves and this idea and talk about independence

00:06:38.200 is putting a chilling effect on investment. Now you're talking about the amount of money we'll

00:06:42.760 have left over, um, if Alberta leaves, what are your thoughts on that? And how would you counter a

00:06:47.920 question like that, Dennis? Well, since this has already collected tax revenue and it's coming off

00:06:54.200 your paycheck now, so to speak, literally it means on day one, we can give that excess money back at

00:07:01.940 least 23 billion a year, essentially not collective. We, we just leave it in your pocket, reduce the tax

00:07:08.620 rate. And that's where the key element comes in on day one, corporate income tax, personal income tax

00:07:14.960 will go down at least around 25% per year. So that's just the low case. And we sort of took that

00:07:22.300 very simplistically. So I think, well, I'm an investor, I'm a, uh, big businessman, small

00:07:27.520 businessman. And you tell me, oh, independent Alberta. Now my tax bill goes down by at least

00:07:34.340 a quarter day one. Why would I leave? And why wouldn't people want to come here? You'd be beating

00:07:41.300 them off with a stick, wouldn't you? I mean, that's why part of the reason why we wrote the immigration 1.00

00:07:45.720 policy is because we said, look, we're going to have the reverse problem. Yeah. There's some

00:07:50.800 instability while the negotiations occur, but practically speaking, when people say, Hey,

00:07:57.280 lower tax regime, looks like smaller regulatory regime. How do we get into here to make some

00:08:02.880 money? And that's where we really need a good immigration policy. Would you, so you're saying,

00:08:07.980 so you're saying that income tax could drop by on a minimum of 25% for Albertans if we vote yes

00:08:16.940 in independence? Well, remember that big, that band we said, we have leftover between 23 and $40

00:08:22.620 billion per year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We did a very simplistic thing. We said, all right,

00:08:27.940 we're just going to pretend corporate and personal taxes are all mushed together. It represents a tax

00:08:33.720 load to use a citizen bear. Either you're paying a corporation who pays tax or it's off your own

00:08:39.140 income. I said, okay, at the absolute worst case, we could just get rid of provincial income and

00:08:44.640 corporate taxes, take it right off the bill. Right. You know, I'm just, I'm go ahead. I'm sorry.

00:08:50.120 Go ahead. And that's the low end. The high end is we take all the federal taxes off.

00:08:55.720 Which could be up to what percentage do you figure?

00:08:57.700 Around 45, 45 to 50%. Let's just say it's on the low end at 25%. If you're watching this right now,

00:09:04.160 let me ask you a question. If your income was increased by 25% tomorrow, how would that change

00:09:10.240 your life? I mean, that's huge. That's a huge amount of money, isn't it?

00:09:15.280 Yeah. It is an amazing amount of money. And so you think about, all right, you're paying 15 grand

00:09:22.600 a year in taxes now, let's say, pretend. I think that's for an income of around, family income around

00:09:27.000 100K. Also, you got 5, 7,500 bucks more in your pocket, or worst case, somewhere in the order of

00:09:33.360 4,000 bucks more in your pocket. That's a chunk of change. That's 350 bucks a month, just on tax savings.

00:09:39.940 What would this mean for Alberta? I mean, if we get independence, when we're able to stop giving the

00:09:47.320 money we're giving to Ottawa right now, and develop our resources like we wish we could right now, where

00:09:52.780 would Alberta stand when it comes to economies around the world? So right now, our GDP per person

00:09:59.080 is around the same as Austria and Germany, rough numbers, 50,000 bucks per person. And that's high,

00:10:04.700 isn't it? We actually contribute a disproportionate amount per capita to Canada, because we have a small

00:10:09.800 population, but give a lot of money, don't we? Exactly. Yeah, that's pretty high. We're a pretty

00:10:14.360 wealthy province, soon to be nation. If you start adding in two or three pipelines to what we

00:10:21.200 speculated in the future looking section of the document, we'll also have an extra 40 to 60 billion

00:10:29.340 per year coming into the province. And probably our GDP would start approaching place per capita,

00:10:35.660 would approach the top end, the Dubais and Qataris of the world. So I mean, also you have a very

00:10:41.820 wealthy country. And in that scenario, you can say, well, we do a bunch of good stuff. We can get rid

00:10:47.520 of personal income taxes entirely. We can get rid of property taxes entirely. We can reduce corporate

00:10:53.800 tax to a flat 10%. All those kinds of things are well within financial range.

00:10:58.980 So let me ask you about this. It's another one that comes up quite often. There are people concerned

00:11:03.980 about that. We're talking money here, of course, but of course, programs as well. Canada Pension Plan,

00:11:08.980 old age security. Have you accounted for that in the document as well?

00:11:12.660 Totally. We did have a couple of glitches, but yeah. So the whole CPP conversation hinges on the

00:11:20.440 fact that there is in the CPP Act, there's ways for provinces to exit. There's a formula for doing

00:11:26.920 that. The Lightworks report went through, did that calculation, said we got to get around 360 billion

00:11:33.240 back. Roughly a third of the total CPP cash base. So we said that's pretty aggressive. Might not get

00:11:43.100 that for a number of reasons, but let's pretend we get half. So 165 billion, some of that.

00:11:49.060 And this is all up for negotiations after a vote on independence, correct?

00:11:52.700 Totally. And Dr. Modry and I said, we want to be on that negotiating team because we're both

00:11:57.420 retired people. So just go down there. Well, you know, I've actually sat in on some Zoom meetings 0.81

00:12:04.180 and some conference calls on an Alberta pension plan. I know people are losing it. Some people

00:12:08.680 in Alberta are concerned about an Alberta pension plan, but I couldn't see any reason why not to have

00:12:14.480 one right now. And I'm hoping that the province moves ahead with that in the future, regardless of

00:12:19.560 what happens with independence. But certainly it has been accounted for if we move forward with this.

00:12:23.500 Exactly. Quebec has it. They're doing just fine. Why couldn't we? But if we're independent and we

00:12:29.440 take that 160 odd billion, you get roughly a 10% return on investment. That's what CPP has been

00:12:35.060 doing for a number of years. People still contribute to it. So you add a few more billion and you do have

00:12:40.420 to pay out the existing pensioners in Alberta. Out of that sum, you end up at about 23 billion per

00:12:47.880 year. And we have a pension obligation today of 5 billion. So we have a essentially a good chunk of

00:12:55.140 money left over because the Alberta portion is actually overfunded.

00:12:58.440 Seems like there's a lot of pluses here, Dennis.

00:13:01.020 There is a lot of pluses. And that's where people start saying, yeah, but you didn't include OAS

00:13:06.240 explicitly. You didn't include a guaranteed income supplement and so forth. Well, in that remaining

00:13:11.600 15, 17 billion per year, just out of the pension plan, there's no reason why you couldn't cover

00:13:19.200 an OAS, cover all the GIS type stuff, make them richer on payout, reduce contributions, make them tax

00:13:27.380 free and no clawbacks. So also you say to our pensioners, wait a minute here, you don't pay tax

00:13:34.580 on it. It doesn't get clawed back. Actually, your income's gone up.

00:13:39.800 Right, right. Now, I was wondering, this is something I haven't heard anybody address right

00:13:44.200 now is what, what percentage of the federal debt would we be on the hook for? I'm certainly

00:13:49.340 we're going to have to pay some of that back. Am I right?

00:13:51.180 Well, that's an interesting conversation because the guts of it is everyone assumes it's per capita.

00:13:55.700 You just say we represent 14% of the nation. We take 14% of debt, something like 50 billion bucks.

00:14:01.940 I would argue that point pretty strenuously because I would say we've over contributed to,

00:14:07.700 to Canada. Much of the debt that was incurred was for things that have nothing to do with Alberta.

00:14:15.140 Why would we take that share of debt that went to funding some project in the Maritimes? Let's take

00:14:22.660 a smaller proportion and being most conservative. That's part of the reason why we only took half the

00:14:29.620 CPP. We said, okay, that other half, that other 160 billion that we're not getting from CPP,

00:14:35.860 that's covering the national debt. That's covering getting back Canadian forces-based pen hold,

00:14:41.860 federal buildings, that kind of stuff. That covers that lot. We have no debt other than the

00:14:46.740 provincial debt we have today. Okay. And another question that kind of concerns me,

00:14:50.820 my wife asked me about this. She said, what if I've got investments in Canada? I'm assuming this

00:14:56.340 would have an effect on the Canadian dollar. Would people be at risk of losing parts of their

00:15:01.380 investment if we vote for independence? Personally, and I think that's shared amongst

00:15:06.820 everyone working on this, is we will see the Canadian dollar drop like a stone.

00:15:10.180 I would not be surprised to see it going down to under 50 cents US.

00:15:16.820 Okay. What does that mean? What does that mean for the average person watching right now?

00:15:20.740 Well, if they're not careful, and this is where people have to plan ahead.

00:15:25.220 I've been telling people at all the meetings I presented at, if you have the opportunity to take

00:15:29.780 investments, get them into US dollar domination. US companies, US ETFs, whatever you're doing,

00:15:37.780 and move it there because face of the US will remain quite stable relative to our currency.

00:15:43.940 So that's something that certainly has to be talked about quite a bit. I think it should be

00:15:47.140 on top of the mind for people as we move forward to a vote possibly in the fall of this year. What

00:15:51.860 currency are we going to use? Yeah. So that's written up in a simplistic form. The guts of it is

00:15:56.980 we see a US dollar for transition. So that would be just because the Canadian dollar is going to

00:16:02.340 drop like a stone. We're probably not on the best terms of Canada. We'll use US dollars. But long term,

00:16:07.780 like within two years or so, we would set up a Alberta dollar, call it what you will.

00:16:14.020 And it would be a non fiat currency. Fiat currency is when you hold up a 20 buck bill,

00:16:20.100 it's worth nothing. It's a piece of paper. Yeah. But it represents that you and I agree

00:16:24.820 that this is 20 bucks and it buys a certain amount of stuff.

00:16:28.260 Has this been done before this kind of thing? We used to be backed by gold.

00:16:32.660 Oh, of course. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. In the 30s, you know, way back until Nixon,

00:16:36.980 you could exchange, you know, so many dollars for gold. So we're just going to go back to that kind

00:16:42.260 of structure, probably with the combination of precious metals, gold, silver, and so forth,

00:16:47.060 probably against our oil reserves and say, look, we've got umpteen trillion barrels of oil, billion

00:16:53.860 barrels of oil and probably some modern elements like Bitcoin or cryptocurrency. And then we cannot

00:17:02.100 release more currency unless the value of those assets goes up. Okay. Because I, you know, I think

00:17:07.860 people are going to get concerned. Honestly, Dennis, I don't understand Bitcoin all that much.

00:17:14.020 I try to, I don't understand it. That's just going to baffle people's brains. And certainly,

00:17:17.940 if you're talking, the thing that concerns me as well, we're talking about the American dollar,

00:17:21.300 people all of a sudden, they go 51st state, you know, and I know that's not what this is about,

00:17:25.780 right? No, no. And it's a transitional thing. And one of the other things we've talked about a lot

00:17:32.820 is we would have to give currency supports to the people of Alberta for a time while we're in US dollars.

00:17:40.660 So for example, your CPP is paid in Canadian dollars. It's now worth less. You have less

00:17:47.140 buying pocket power than you had before. So we'd probably do things like set up a fixed exchange

00:17:53.780 rate, maybe what it is today and say, whatever Canadian dollars you bring across the border,

00:18:00.500 we will convert that into the Alberta currency at a fixed rate. Okay. So you don't lose anything.

00:18:05.860 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the other thing, I think it's in here, something that drives me crazy

00:18:12.340 as a conservative. What about budgeting? Are we, are we looking at in this document,

00:18:18.020 when you're talking about money, when you're talking about economy, are we going to run a,

00:18:22.020 have a balanced budget in this province? Is that something that we can do? Obviously,

00:18:25.220 we're going to have, it looks like we're going to have surpluses for the first time, really.

00:18:28.980 We're running a deficit, I think of about $6 billion in Alberta this year. We wouldn't be

00:18:32.820 running that if we didn't give so much to Ottawa, would we have a balanced budget?

00:18:37.140 Absolutely. Yeah. And so I'm also heavily involved with writing a new constitution.

00:18:42.660 Yeah. And it's a constitutional question. And I think right now we have strong agreement

00:18:48.820 that we would limit the government spending according to the GDP of the previous year.

00:18:56.900 So essentially pick a number out of the air, 20% of last year's country GDP

00:19:02.580 is your budget government live within it. Okay.

00:19:06.500 So that's the structure you put in place, but also keep in mind when you've got multiple new

00:19:11.380 pipelines coming in, you're not giving money to Ottawa, you're starting to attract business because

00:19:16.420 of your low tax regime, we'll have lots of cash. There's no reason for the government of Alberta to

00:19:23.300 run a deficit. To the, to the people who are saying, how are things going to be different? You're

00:19:28.020 still going to be stuck between Saskatchewan and BC. You can't get your products to a tidewater.

00:19:33.700 Even if you do leave the country, what do you say to those people?

00:19:36.820 So there's a thing called the UN law of the sea. And there's many other, there's 35, I think,

00:19:44.500 landlocked countries in the world, including places like Austria. And the UN law of the sea

00:19:49.140 basically says that a nation cannot impair a landlocked country from getting their goods

00:19:55.460 to deep water. They have to offer non-punitive tariffs, access to port facilities, all that kind

00:20:02.100 of good stuff. So that would be one thing is Canada was a signatory to that. Alberta would be a signatory

00:20:08.580 to that. And it, I think it actually would be easier to get pipelines through BC under those rules

00:20:16.020 and under the rules of constitution. The second thing, if people say, yeah, but you got no leverage,

00:20:20.820 they'll blockade the border. Well, do you know what? CP and CN rail lines run through Alberta,

00:20:26.500 as does the Trans-Canada Highway. No one wants to play that game, but if it got down to that,

00:20:33.620 you know, it'd be a leverage game and it cuts two ways.

00:20:36.420 Where are you from originally, Dennis?

00:20:38.500 I was born in the, in the little town of Tabor, Alberta to Dutch parents. So I carry two passports,

00:20:46.180 Dutch and Canadian.

00:20:46.980 Ah, so perhaps we could have two passports if we have an independent country. Is that correct?

00:20:52.900 Absolutely no reason why not. Like I retain my, my Canadian passport now, even though I got a Dutch 0.62

00:20:58.580 one. And, uh, even when we separate, there's no reason to give up your Canadian citizenship unless

00:21:05.220 you want to. And we'd offer obviously an Alberta passport. I don't think it would be exclusive.

00:21:11.860 And you make your decision.

00:21:13.060 So you're a Canadian, uh, by birth.

00:21:16.020 Yes.

00:21:16.820 Um, why, I mean, if there were, if somebody said to you, can you give me the number one reason why you

00:21:22.100 want an independent Alberta? What is your answer for that?

00:21:27.220 Probably I could get into a lot of detail. The guts of it is I no longer believe the

00:21:31.380 experiment called Canada is working. Okay.

00:21:35.220 It's too big, too widespread, two different cultures, five different cultures is my, my premise. 1.00

00:21:42.740 And what works in Ontario doesn't work in Alberta. And I'm tired of it.

00:21:47.060 I, you know, I, I, I go back to what they were saying back in the nineties, back before the, uh,

00:21:52.660 the referendum, uh, in Quebec and the words distinct society were used a lot. And, um, being

00:21:59.220 from Ontario myself and moving out here, Alberta is a distinct society, Dennis. It is. It just,

00:22:04.500 and this is what people don't understand. I, I see people cursing us from the east, calling us a bunch

00:22:11.620 of hicks wearing hats and stupid boots. And I think you don't understand what the west is about 1.00

00:22:17.380 and what we, how we feel out here. We're different out here.

00:22:20.340 Indeed. And, and I spent my life working internationally. I've worked in Europe, Asia,

00:22:25.700 the United States, lots of places worked across Canada, including Quebec and Ontario.

00:22:31.140 And I've always thought I don't have much in common with folks in Quebec.

00:22:35.060 Uh, you know, we think differently. We approach problems differently, similarly for Ontario.

00:22:41.620 And, and that's fine. They're, they're good people, nothing wrong with them, but it's like saying,

00:22:45.140 well, do you have similarities between yourself and someone from Argentina? Short answer is I don't.

00:22:50.900 Right. I think differently.

00:22:52.420 Yeah. Uh, you know, I go back to what Corey Morgan said to me, said, John, you know, your, your aunt Edna

00:22:57.620 will still be in Toronto and you're still have friends out on the east coast. We'll just have a different

00:23:01.220 relationship. And speaking about Corey, and we'll wrap it up here, but we're going to be with Corey

00:23:06.020 Morgan on January the 10th at the Queensland community center, seven o'clock, uh, come on out

00:23:11.860 and visit. We're going to be there with Eva Chipiuk as well. You may have seen her. She works with Jeff

00:23:16.020 Rath. I'm going to be there sort of as a moderator, MC of this event. Uh, we're going to be touching on a

00:23:21.220 number of, of those subjects. We touched a little bit on about them here, treaties and being landlocked and

00:23:28.020 things like that. And certainly you're going to be able to talk about this document as well.

00:23:31.380 If people have questions, right? Yes, for sure. And we'll stick around

00:23:34.980 efforts to answer questions one-on-one too, for those people who might be a little shy.

00:23:38.660 Yeah. It's going to be a little different because we're going to kind of have a panel

00:23:41.300 discussion as well. So it'll be very, uh, informative for you. If you've got some

00:23:45.460 really pointed questions, you'll be able to get the answers from Corey, Corey, Eva, Dennis,

00:23:50.580 I'll be there as well. I'd like to thank, uh, Max at Freedom Calendar, uh, go over to his

00:23:55.700 YouTube channel. He does live streaming as well. Uh, he's going to be live streaming the event as

00:23:59.780 well. So if you can't make it out again, it's the Queensland community center, seven o'clock

00:24:03.620 on January 10th, it's going to be a great night. I'm really excited about it. Dennis,

00:24:07.460 it was nice meeting. I've only met you within the last couple of weeks. Have you back again,

00:24:11.380 uh, because, uh, you're just a wealth of knowledge on this, on this topic and being one of the coauthors

00:24:16.740 along with Jeff of this, um, this says so much people should pick this up for sure.

00:24:21.460 I certainly encourage them to read it and thank you for having me on and look forward to further

00:24:26.660 discussions. Dennis Kalma, and we appreciate for, uh, him being on the channel today. And

00:24:32.500 oh, by the way, if you want to ask him any questions, he is on X at Dennis Kalma, D-E-N-N-I-S-K-A-L-M-A.

00:24:40.820 I'll put a link in the description below. Thanks for watching. If you liked this video,

00:24:45.060 give it a thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, ring the bell for notifications. I will see you

00:24:49.060 in the next one. Bye.

John Bolton - January 03, 2026

Imagine No Income tax - The Value of Freedom with Guest Dennis Kalma

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