John Bolton - November 07, 2025


Jeff Rath - Confident independence is coming to Alberta


Episode Stats

Length

35 minutes

Words per Minute

196.8886

Word Count

7,062

Sentence Count

333

Misogynist Sentences

22

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

In this episode, I interview Jeff Rath, a constitutional lawyer and member of the Alberta Prosperity Project Board, who speaks on behalf of the independence movement here in Alberta. He talks about the upcoming UCP AGM, the possibility of an independent vote in 2026, and his thoughts on the current state of affairs in the province.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John, and welcome to the channel.
00:00:05.600 Friday, November the 7th.
00:00:06.880 I hope you're having a great start to your Friday, only a day away from the weekend.
00:00:11.000 And today, I'm excited to have a guest on with me.
00:00:13.720 I always like having people to interview.
00:00:15.520 And today, I'm interviewing somebody who's been on the channel before, somebody who speaks
00:00:19.960 on behalf of the independence movement here in Alberta.
00:00:23.420 As a matter of fact, when I was out on October 25th at the legislature in Edmonton as the
00:00:28.300 MC at the big independence rally, you know, I said, you got to hand it to the people
00:00:32.400 who are running around the province constantly out almost every night of the week, talking
00:00:38.100 to 100, 200, 300 people at a time about Alberta independence.
00:00:42.220 And that is certainly the case with my guest today.
00:00:45.020 He doesn't mince his words.
00:00:46.180 I want to talk to him a little bit about the upcoming UCP annual general meeting, which
00:00:51.440 is coming up at the end of November, the possibility of an independence vote in 2026.
00:00:57.860 And maybe his thoughts on how Daniel Smith is handling the situation.
00:01:02.440 He's a constitutional lawyer, general counsel on the Alberta Prosperity Project board.
00:01:08.380 I'd like to welcome Jeff Rath.
00:01:10.100 Jeff, thank you very much for being here.
00:01:12.720 Hey, John.
00:01:13.200 Thanks for having me on.
00:01:14.140 How are you?
00:01:14.840 I'm terrific.
00:01:15.780 Thank you.
00:01:16.140 It's really good to see you.
00:01:17.080 And I haven't actually, I've spoken to you obviously to set up this interview today,
00:01:21.000 but I haven't, haven't spoken to you since the independence rally back on the 25th of October.
00:01:26.540 I went back today and watched your speech.
00:01:30.240 And the first thing that really came out of your mouth was that it was the proudest moment
00:01:34.080 you've had as an Albertan.
00:01:35.520 How'd you feel that day when all those people were standing out there at the Alberta legislature?
00:01:39.160 Oh, I was just thrilled.
00:01:40.820 I mean, you know, it just really made it clear to me that we're going to win this referendum
00:01:45.200 and that Alberta is going to be free from Canada once and for all.
00:01:48.780 Like I can't even, I can't even tell you like how, you know, what a great feeling that
00:01:53.440 was to realize that we're going to win this and that Alberta is going to be, you know,
00:01:56.960 finally is going to be free to chart its own destiny.
00:01:59.620 And, uh, uh, and for all of us here in Alberta to have a future, you know?
00:02:04.720 Yeah.
00:02:05.300 You know, it's been, it's, you know, it's been five really, you know, really, really dark
00:02:09.020 years here, you know?
00:02:10.080 And I mean, and we're still in it.
00:02:11.740 I mean, 9% unemployment in Alberta right now, 20% youth unemployment.
00:02:15.720 I mean, the Liberals are succeeding in completely destroying this project or this, you know,
00:02:20.540 this province.
00:02:21.460 So, you know, the good news for us is that there's a free and independent country around
00:02:25.640 the corner just waiting for us where we're not going to have to pay federal income tax
00:02:29.820 anymore.
00:02:30.160 We're not going to have to pay GST.
00:02:32.380 We're not going to have to pay carbon tax.
00:02:34.400 We're not going to have to, you know, be dictated to, you know, by the whims of some,
00:02:39.060 you know, liberal politician in Ottawa getting instructions from the Ministry of State Security in China.
00:02:45.000 You know, I, I, I, like, I'm just, I'm so looking forward to finally being free.
00:02:51.180 You're that sure of it, are you?
00:02:53.280 Oh my God.
00:02:53.880 Like after that rally, I mean, how can anybody doubt it?
00:02:56.540 I mean, you know, like Conrad Black wrote an article recently, we think, you know, he
00:03:01.700 was wrong on a couple of key things.
00:03:03.240 Like one, he said that, you know, over the last four, you know, over the last number of
00:03:07.200 years, Alberta's paid $70 billion in transfer payments.
00:03:11.180 No, no, the number is $700 billion in transfer payments from Alberta to Canada.
00:03:18.140 You know, if we were to apply interest to that, you know, to that number, you know, Canada
00:03:23.060 owes Alberta about $3 trillion, right?
00:03:27.620 But anyway, leaving, leaving that aside, one of the comments that, you know, that Conrad made
00:03:32.900 was that, you know, currently the polling in Alberta, you know, you know, that he's seen
00:03:38.020 is 35% hard yes for independence, 35% hard no.
00:03:43.420 You know, we want to stay in Canada because we still harbor memories of the 72 series, you
00:03:50.280 know, like, you know, all these dear old folks that, you know, all these dear old folks with
00:03:53.840 their, you know, their warm, fuzzy memories of what Canada used to be as a country.
00:03:57.720 Yeah.
00:03:58.140 You know, so there's 35% of them, but there's 30% in the middle that are entirely persuadable.
00:04:03.680 And we know that we can persuade them because, I mean, we have a real message, you know, like
00:04:08.740 I said, no income tax, GST, carbon tax, a future for your kids, you know, deport everybody
00:04:14.740 in Alberta that's here on a, you know, international mobility program visa or a, you know, or a temporary
00:04:20.540 foreign worker visa, you know, that doesn't, you know, that actually, you know, that doesn't
00:04:24.820 actually have a job that cannot be done by an Albertan who's currently on the unemployment
00:04:29.960 line.
00:04:30.980 You know, like, I mean, it might lead to the closure of a hundred Tim Hortons, but quite
00:04:35.840 frankly, we, I think we can live without them and we can send Tim back to Toronto where
00:04:39.340 he belongs, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
00:04:42.360 Right.
00:04:42.620 I mean, right.
00:04:43.280 You know, we have, there's a bright future for Alberta, right.
00:04:46.320 And it starts simply with voting yes to a very simple question.
00:04:50.540 You know, do you agree that Alberta shall be a sovereign country and cease to be a province
00:04:54.860 in Canada?
00:04:55.600 I mean, it's a pretty straightforward question.
00:04:57.620 Even among the 35% that Conrad said are sort of sitting on the fence right now who aren't
00:05:01.940 decided on this.
00:05:02.960 Some of those could still change because we saw the budget the other day, but, you know,
00:05:07.100 I'm, I want to ask you a little bit about, I don't know, I watched the budget the other
00:05:11.940 day and I watched, I watched it with the eye of an Albertan and wondering what kind of
00:05:17.260 bone he was going to throw to Alberta.
00:05:18.680 He didn't really throw too much to us at all, other than dropping an emissions cap and saying
00:05:22.500 he was going to expand the carbon tax on industry here.
00:05:25.740 And I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on that.
00:05:28.120 Do you think there's any, any way at this point that Yael Smith can accept it?
00:05:32.660 It's just a despicable federal money grab, right?
00:05:36.240 So it's like, okay, well, we realized we could be making more money if we just took our boot
00:05:41.940 off of your throat a little bit, you know, so we're not going to completely stifle your
00:05:47.000 industry and, you know, completely prevent people from investing in your province.
00:05:53.040 But, you know, that being said, now that we've taken off this hard cap on emissions,
00:05:57.520 you know, we should get paid for that.
00:05:59.220 So we're going to, you know, we're going to increase the industrial carbon tax and really
00:06:03.380 screw you guys.
00:06:04.240 Like under those circumstances, who the hell wants to invest here?
00:06:07.360 Like one of the biggest things that Alberta can do for itself, you know, and I don't
00:06:11.880 know if I was talking about this at the rally or not, I've done so many speeches.
00:06:14.640 I feel like I forgot what I've been saying, but anyway.
00:06:17.320 I'll tell you, I watched it today.
00:06:18.540 But anyway, you know, one of the largest gas fields in the world is the Motney gas field
00:06:24.260 that straddles the BC-Alberta border.
00:06:26.700 It's recently been re-assayed at four and a half trillion cubic feet of natural gas.
00:06:33.980 Just let that sink in for a minute, four and a half trillion cubic feet.
00:06:38.840 There is enough gas in the Motney gas field to build giant co-generation plants.
00:06:44.360 A co-gen plant is a plant that uses natural gas, you know, to heat steam, to turn turbines,
00:06:49.220 to make electricity, right?
00:06:50.580 You know, we pioneered and perfected that technology in Alberta.
00:06:54.180 We could build a whole bunch of giant co-gen plants, right, to fire up a giant AI hub in,
00:07:01.100 you know, near Grand Prairie, which, you know, would make Alberta, you know,
00:07:04.460 literally the leader in the world in artificial intelligence, right?
00:07:08.260 And there's enough gas in the Motney gas field to fire up and, you know,
00:07:13.020 and supply energy to that AI hub for the next and the entire Alberta power grid
00:07:18.580 for the next thousand years, right?
00:07:21.140 But we can't attract the capital to this province to do it because every time you turn around,
00:07:26.160 the Liberals come up with some bullshit, you know, excuse as to why there's no business case
00:07:31.100 for the development of natural gas in the province of Alberta, right?
00:07:35.000 Right.
00:07:35.400 You know, and, you know, and I suppose the business case will be developed the minute,
00:07:40.020 you know, you know, minute, the minute Carney and Brookfield can figure out how it is that
00:07:44.900 they're going to get a monopoly on, you know, natural gas export from Alberta
00:07:48.860 and have Brookfield own everything so that every time an MCF gas comes out of the ground,
00:07:55.080 it runs through, you know, you know, some sort of, you know, Brookfield owned and controlled
00:07:59.620 pipeline, you know, into a Brookfield offshore bank account and then into Carney secret bank,
00:08:06.080 offshore bank accounts, you know, in the Caribbean, right?
00:08:09.660 Yeah.
00:08:09.780 But, you know, until they get that set up, you know, they're going to continue to sifle natural
00:08:14.840 gas production in Alberta and continue to drive other investment away from Alberta because
00:08:20.620 we all know that Brookfield's all about monopolies and, you know, and, you know, being the only
00:08:25.220 player in town, you know, which is why Carney, you know, passed Bill C-59 so that Carney is
00:08:31.440 the fascist dictator of Canada can determine, you know, what national, you know, what projects
00:08:36.480 are in the national interest, sole source contracts to companies that are friendly to
00:08:40.880 Brookfield and friendly to Carney, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
00:08:43.820 I mean, Carney is Mussolini on steroids, right?
00:08:47.640 So, you know, every time he does something, it can only benefit the Alberta independence
00:08:52.920 movement because we despise Mark Carney and what he's doing to our country, you know, what
00:08:59.480 he's done to Canada and what he's doing to Alberta.
00:09:02.880 You know, I did, I did a video the other day and, you know, I'd spoken to a number of
00:09:06.900 people in the independence movement and they said, we don't want to hate on Canada, but
00:09:09.980 I did a video the other day and said, I'm going here.
00:09:11.820 I said, I don't much like Canada anymore.
00:09:14.680 And I said, I don't like, one of the reasons is that we keep voting in these governments
00:09:18.680 that are damaging the province in the place I consider my country now, which is Alberta.
00:09:23.840 I'm just wondering if, if we leave though, how is it going to make it easier for us to
00:09:27.760 get, to get a natural gas pipeline or something, you know, over to, over to British Columbia
00:09:34.600 to the coast or something like that.
00:09:36.240 Can I be perfect?
00:09:37.120 Can I be blunt?
00:09:38.820 Who gives a shit?
00:09:40.080 Like who gives a shit?
00:09:41.440 90% of Alberta's trade right now is North and South.
00:09:44.740 90% of our trade goes into the U.S.
00:09:46.820 Yeah.
00:09:47.040 Right.
00:09:47.460 Yeah.
00:09:47.640 You know, and as far as it goes, you know, BC, you know, and all of their threats and
00:09:52.120 all of their nonsense, you know, we just need, you know, one or two more natural gas pipelines,
00:09:56.660 you know, south, you know, to the Gulf coast of Texas or an oil pipeline and a gas pipeline,
00:10:02.500 you know, through, you know, through Idaho, you know, into Port Wash or, you know, Port
00:10:07.040 Wash or, or the port of Seattle to the Pacific.
00:10:11.400 And we'll, you know, and we'll be fine.
00:10:13.540 Thank you very much.
00:10:14.720 I mean, I saw the other day, David Evie was posing with, you know, the leaders of Haida
00:10:19.460 Gwaii and there won't be no Alberta pipelines, blah, blah, blah.
00:10:23.160 Right.
00:10:23.720 So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, screw them.
00:10:26.580 Like they don't want our pipelines fine.
00:10:28.280 We'll declare ourselves independent.
00:10:30.020 We'll put all, you know, we'll build five new pipelines south.
00:10:32.780 Right.
00:10:33.480 And, you know, we'll develop our own industry and our own natural gas.
00:10:36.640 And British Columbia, every truck, every train, everything moving $17 billion worth of your
00:10:42.500 goods east to Ontario is going to be stopped at the Alberta border.
00:10:46.220 We're a rat-free province.
00:10:47.900 We're very proud of our status as a rat-free province.
00:10:51.040 We're going to search every truck for rats coming out of Vancouver.
00:10:54.540 You know, we're going to, you know, put a value on all of the goods that are being transported.
00:10:58.560 We'll put a tariff on those goods.
00:11:00.500 And then you can maybe think about, you know, what you did to yourselves by screwing us on,
00:11:05.140 you know, a couple of additional pipelines to the West Coast.
00:11:08.580 You know, I mean, you know, like all of this stuff cuts both ways.
00:11:12.100 I mean, you're all with Alberta's landlocked.
00:11:14.060 It's like, you know, we have much better relations right now with, you know, the Trump
00:11:20.960 administration and with the U.S. government than we have with Ottawa.
00:11:24.420 You know, the U.S. government is willing to talk to us.
00:11:27.960 Yeah, you made that point at the independence rally as well.
00:11:30.800 And I think there's actually international law saying that landlocked countries, Alberta
00:11:35.020 would be a new country, have to be given some type of access to ports or to the sea or to
00:11:41.580 a place where they can ship out.
00:11:43.280 Yeah, absolutely.
00:11:44.000 I believe that's the case.
00:11:45.060 And we would, right.
00:11:47.020 And we'd negotiate those pipelines to go through the United States to, you know, to the West
00:11:51.660 Coast of Washington State.
00:11:53.500 And to hell with British Columbia.
00:11:54.780 You don't want our jobs.
00:11:55.660 You don't want our industry.
00:11:56.720 You don't want our money.
00:11:57.780 To hell with you.
00:11:58.500 Right.
00:11:59.480 And you can, you know, and, you know, B.C. can basically be stuck out on the left coast
00:12:03.960 of Canada trying to find, scrambling to find new markets for its goods and its products
00:12:09.200 because Alberta won't be buying any more of them.
00:12:12.620 And there'll be a tariff on everything coming out of British Columbia, you know, moving,
00:12:16.680 you know, moving east.
00:12:18.280 You know, if they want to play the way they want to play.
00:12:20.600 Personally, in my heart of hearts, and I think, you know, as a responsible adult, you
00:12:24.260 know, my feeling is that sooner or later, rationality is going to have to, you know, reimpose
00:12:29.940 itself on the discussion.
00:12:31.880 Idiots like David Evie, right, who's now posturing it.
00:12:35.540 It'll go over my dead body.
00:12:37.420 Will there be another Alberta pipeline through British Columbia?
00:12:40.440 And, you know, and Legault, you know, like, oh, we don't want no stinky pipelines.
00:12:45.080 Blah, blah, blah, like, you know, like, rationality is going to have to reimpose itself at some
00:12:51.440 point.
00:12:52.040 But, you know, when we demonstrate to Canada that, you know, that we can completely replace
00:12:56.820 all of our trade with Canada by simply increasing the amount of trade that we have with the United
00:13:01.820 States, which would be welcomed by the United States and say, you know, fine, Canada, we
00:13:07.780 won't do any more business with you.
00:13:09.180 We have a really nice free trade agreement with the U.S. that says that, you know, 100%
00:13:16.120 of all goods and services on both sides of the Alberta U.S. border will now move back
00:13:20.740 and forth across that border with zero tariffs, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
00:13:25.020 And we will have complete access to U.S. markets.
00:13:27.680 The U.S. will have a complete act, you know, we'll have complete access to the Alberta market.
00:13:31.480 You know, we'll welcome U.S. financial institutions with open arms, you know, et cetera, et
00:13:37.960 cetera.
00:13:38.620 I mean, it's going to be it's going to be a wonderful new world in Alberta.
00:13:43.120 I've said here on my channel many times, if you don't want to be part of the prosperity
00:13:47.260 and help with the prosperity in this country, why should you benefit from Alberta's prosperity?
00:13:51.880 Because we put so much into the country and get so little out of it.
00:13:55.500 I do want to ask you about this, though.
00:13:57.120 You said that you were very confident that we would get independence here in the province.
00:14:02.460 Of course, there's been talk about this Forever Canadian petition that was put out by
00:14:07.000 Thomas Lukasik.
00:14:08.120 It was mentioned a few times at the independence rally, and there's been talk that this may
00:14:12.500 trigger an independence vote as a constitutional lawyer.
00:14:15.960 Is that possible at all?
00:14:17.440 I mean, I think the question might have to be rephrased.
00:14:20.400 But did he trigger?
00:14:21.480 No, it's pretty funny, right?
00:14:23.540 Like, yeah, well, little Tommy nothing burger, as we now call him.
00:14:27.520 And we call him little Tommy nothing burger because Justice Feesby in the referendum case that
00:14:32.420 I'm in front of the court in, you know, literally said that, you know, Tommy's referendum petition
00:14:38.620 question is a legally irrelevant.
00:14:40.560 Nothing burger.
00:14:41.660 You know, do you think that Alberta shall remain in Canada?
00:14:44.640 Yes or no.
00:14:45.800 Right.
00:14:46.040 It's a poll question.
00:14:46.900 You know, yeah, it's like on top of it, it's like, it's a policy question.
00:14:52.860 It's, you know, it's a question on the order of, do you think Alberta should continue to
00:14:58.600 be called Alberta?
00:14:59.600 Yes or no?
00:15:00.320 I mean, it's kind of a dumb question when it comes right down to it.
00:15:03.300 It doesn't comply with the Clarity Act because the Clarity Act section one sub three.
00:15:09.400 So, you know, one bracket three of the Clarity Act says clearly, you know, that, you know,
00:15:13.840 a question triggering, you know, independence, you know, under the Clarity Act must state that
00:15:20.120 the province wishes to cease to be part of Canada and become an independent state.
00:15:25.600 Those are the exact words of section one sub three of the Clarity Act.
00:15:29.260 So, you know, Danielle has the potential to take, to go to Mr. Lukasik and his people
00:15:35.540 and say, hey, thank you very much.
00:15:37.060 Thanks for showing us that 436,000 Albertans wanted a separatist referendum.
00:15:42.640 Because don't forget, I mean, a lot of people, you know, Lukasik, you know, postures around
00:15:46.740 Alberta and, you know, and, you know, and pretends that, you know, stands up on his little
00:15:52.940 soapbox so he can be as tall as everybody else.
00:15:55.500 And then, you know, and tries to claim that his referendum question was the actual referendum
00:16:02.340 and that it was a poll on independence.
00:16:04.480 And then he got 436,000 people to support Alberta staying in Canada.
00:16:09.920 That's a lie, right?
00:16:11.280 Like everything that comes out of Tommy Lukasik's mouth, it's a, you know, it's a lie, right?
00:16:15.340 So what he got was 436,000 people, including a lot of Donald Ducks and Mickey Mouses and,
00:16:21.820 you know, all kinds of other fake names and whatever else, right?
00:16:25.260 Because they weren't checking IDs, you know, got a whole bunch of, you know, a bunch of
00:16:28.900 alleged signatures, you know, for the idea that there would be a referendum vote on that
00:16:36.500 question, which Daniel Smith rightly says is a, you know, is a separatist question.
00:16:41.460 Because if everybody votes no, then where does that leave you?
00:16:44.680 Other than you've now had a referendum, you know, on a policy perspective, you know, indicating
00:16:49.900 that, you know, that a majority of Albertans want to leave, you know, don't want to remain
00:16:54.280 in Canada.
00:16:55.000 So then we have to have another referendum, you know, with a question that complies with
00:16:59.940 section one, sub three of the Clarity Act.
00:17:02.000 Tommy did that on purpose, right?
00:17:04.140 Yeah.
00:17:04.280 They didn't want to have a question that would comply with the Clarity Act and could actually
00:17:08.240 trigger, you know, Alberta leaving Canada, right?
00:17:11.840 So, you know, they've been lying to people, they've been scamming people, they've been,
00:17:16.140 you know, fraudulently obtaining, you know, people's personal information, you know, on
00:17:20.840 these petition sheets for purposes other than holding a referendum.
00:17:24.900 Because now, Tommy, believe it or not, after all of this, and even though his application
00:17:28.700 to Elections Alberta said, you know, you know, that we're going to, we want to have a
00:17:33.480 referendum on this question, he's now backpedaling, you know, and saying that, oh, no, no, no,
00:17:38.620 no, we never intended to have a referendum.
00:17:40.660 And, you know, and I, you know, I think that he should be investigated, frankly, right?
00:17:45.820 Either by Elections Alberta or the RCMP, right?
00:17:49.580 Because in effect, he gaslit 436,000 people trying to get them, you know, getting them
00:17:55.420 to sign a, you know, a petition to have a referendum.
00:17:59.000 And now he's saying he doesn't want to have a referendum.
00:18:01.480 Well, I'm stunned.
00:18:02.580 I wrote, I wrote a letter to Gordon McClure, the chief electoral officer of Alberta, and
00:18:06.320 asked him why he even greenlit this in the first place.
00:18:08.700 If the outcome of a referendum is the same, regardless of how you vote, why have the
00:18:13.600 referendum?
00:18:14.180 Why waste the time?
00:18:15.040 Why waste the money?
00:18:16.420 Why put people through this process if it means absolutely nothing?
00:18:20.560 So the question, I guess, again, is would this trigger, maybe, because I want to move
00:18:23.760 on here, because, but would this trigger?
00:18:26.220 Is it possible that this, this petition from Lukasik is a major fail?
00:18:31.240 And this could trigger our independence vote.
00:18:34.580 Oh, absolutely.
00:18:35.360 I mean, section one, section one of the Alberta Referendum Act leaves the discretion to call
00:18:41.540 a referendum on, you know, in, you know, on any constitutional issue with the lieutenant
00:18:47.060 governor and counsel.
00:18:48.100 That's, you know, effectively Danielle and her cabinet, right?
00:18:51.140 Yeah.
00:18:51.380 All right.
00:18:51.600 So they have the power under the Referendum Act to basically say, thank you, little Tommy,
00:18:56.600 for showing us that 436,000 Albertans want to have a separatist referendum.
00:19:02.300 But we're not going to use your question, because your question is dumb, because it doesn't
00:19:07.700 comply with the Clarity Act.
00:19:09.080 So we're not going to spend $20 million on a referendum on a non-compliant question.
00:19:13.320 So just so there's no controversy, we'll take the wording directly out of the Clarity Act,
00:19:19.680 which is, do you agree that Alberta shall cease to be a province of Canada and become
00:19:23.620 an independent state and run with that question?
00:19:27.240 And I mean, just for, you know, just for giggles the other night, I posted a poll, or the other
00:19:32.200 day, I posted a poll on Twitter asking, or on X, asking that question, right?
00:19:37.040 And we were running about 80% yes, up until the last hour, when I think a whole bunch of
00:19:43.620 the Forever Canadians, you know, figured out that, you know, like 80%, you know, 80% of
00:19:48.800 5,500 people, you know, were going to vote yes, in favor of independence.
00:19:54.760 So a whole bunch of old people bailed in at the last minute.
00:19:58.400 And I can tell they're old people, because I follow the, the analytics on my Twitter, on
00:20:02.400 my, on my X account, right?
00:20:04.280 Yeah.
00:20:04.420 So a whole bunch of old people, which must have been Forever Canadians, you know, basically
00:20:08.940 you have 2000 votes in the last hour that are, you know, that shifted the percentage
00:20:14.460 in favor of independence to 53% to 47%, right?
00:20:21.500 But 24 hours, we still won the poll, 53% of the, you know, 66,576 people, you know, favored
00:20:29.980 independence, right?
00:20:31.500 Wanted, you know, vote yes to that question, right?
00:20:34.460 And I think that's a really strong indication of where Albertans are at.
00:20:38.440 You, you brought up Daniel Smith at the independence rally, while you were speaking, if people watch
00:20:42.760 the video, you'll see me walk up and I put something on the podium for you.
00:20:46.360 Mitch Sylvester was standing there and he said, John, come here.
00:20:49.640 And he, I walked over to him.
00:20:51.040 He had a piece of paper and he wrote AGM on there.
00:20:53.760 And I walked up and he said, he'll know what this means.
00:20:56.560 That's what he said.
00:20:57.280 So I walked up and I just slid that out in front of you.
00:21:01.220 And at the end, you talked about the AGM.
00:21:03.180 Well, the AGM would be the United Conservative Party AGM coming up on the 28th and 29th of
00:21:07.660 this month.
00:21:09.140 And what is going to happen here?
00:21:12.900 What are you expecting to go on here?
00:21:14.820 You went on to tell people to get a membership to the UCP, get a ticket to go to this.
00:21:21.660 And what do you want them to do if they do that?
00:21:23.860 And they've got until midnight tomorrow night to sign up, by the way.
00:21:26.740 Midnight tomorrow night.
00:21:27.980 I'm sorry, tonight, because the video is happening on Friday.
00:21:30.320 Pardon me.
00:21:30.620 Yeah, no, we want them to go to the AGM and vote all of Danielle Smith's pet directors
00:21:36.900 out of office, right?
00:21:38.660 Like, she has a little cabal on the provincial board, right?
00:21:42.960 That do not, even though 70% of the party membership supports independence, right?
00:21:49.100 Yeah.
00:21:49.340 She's got 50% of the board voting against independence because she's telling them to, right?
00:21:54.640 The other day, Danielle Smith actually brought a motion to the provincial board, right?
00:21:59.360 To muzzle all talk of independence at the AGM, prohibiting any, you know, any resolutions
00:22:06.640 to come to the floor in favor of independence, prohibiting any debate on independence on the
00:22:11.040 floor of the AGM.
00:22:12.540 You know, I've heard from sources on the board that we can't have Mitch Sylvester take over
00:22:17.300 the AGM for three years in a row.
00:22:19.420 And that was basically coming from Danielle Smith, you know, and blah, blah, blah.
00:22:23.240 We don't, you know, we don't need to have this at the AGM and this is not unifying for
00:22:27.120 the party and blah, blah, blah, right?
00:22:29.000 So what we're saying is we need to have this discussion.
00:22:32.500 Like, in fact, I think Danielle is violating and has violated her fiduciary obligations to
00:22:37.900 the citizens of Alberta because, you know, it's looking now like not only is there going
00:22:42.480 to be a referendum in favor of independence, but that it's going to succeed, right?
00:22:46.760 So why has she not initiated or, you know, or put together or named a minister of independence
00:22:54.980 preparedness?
00:22:55.660 Like, why don't we have a ministry in the government getting ready for Alberta to become
00:23:00.760 an independent country?
00:23:02.260 Because that's the path we're on now, right?
00:23:04.720 This was actually proposed by a former political science professor of mine, Leon Craig, who
00:23:09.840 I really, really, really admired and enjoyed when I was doing my honors political science
00:23:15.520 degree at the University of Alberta.
00:23:16.900 And he wrote an open letter to Jason Kenney about six years ago asking Kenney this question.
00:23:22.500 Like, you guys keep writing these stupid firewall letters and we all know that Alberta is getting
00:23:27.220 completely raped by the rest of Canada.
00:23:29.960 You know, we're being completely screwed over every time we turn around.
00:23:33.420 You know, the only way forward for Alberta is to get the hell out of Canada.
00:23:37.560 Why?
00:23:38.040 You know, if you want to send a message to Canada and let them know that you're serious, you
00:23:41.800 know, you need to appoint a minister of independence preparedness, right?
00:23:47.180 Right.
00:23:47.420 And, you know, our question for Danielle, and we're going to have people lining up at the
00:23:50.800 bear pit sessions, the premier accountability, you know, sessions at the AGM.
00:23:55.540 And first of all, asking her why she thinks it's appropriate as the premier of the province
00:24:00.620 to bully the provincial board into muzzling her base and muzzling her membership, right?
00:24:06.940 You know, she's our mummy and she's telling us what we're not allowed to talk about at the
00:24:11.420 dinner table, right?
00:24:12.980 This is despicable.
00:24:14.340 I mean, it's, you know, it's completely out of line with her role as premier.
00:24:17.800 It's out of line as her role as party leader.
00:24:20.200 She is not the boss of us.
00:24:22.160 We're the boss of her.
00:24:23.260 Like she's supposed to be taking her direction from the membership, but instead she's constantly
00:24:28.360 playing all of these silly little games to make sure that the wishes of the membership
00:24:33.660 for independence are thwarted on an ongoing basis, right?
00:24:37.680 Like the whole, you know, the whole what's next scam, you know, scam that she was engaged
00:24:42.520 in is the same thing.
00:24:44.900 Every single thing she was talking about at the what next panel, pension, policing, taxation,
00:24:50.380 you name it, all of it can be fixed with one vote on, we don't need six referenda, you
00:24:56.640 know, on all of her silly issues.
00:24:58.340 We need one vote on independence and the rest of it follows as surely as night follows day.
00:25:03.500 Right?
00:25:04.220 She's certainly got a lot of pressure on her.
00:25:05.880 So I'm not saying you're ambushing her because certainly you're letting her know up front
00:25:09.580 that you're going to be there to talk about these issues.
00:25:12.160 Um, I was listening to Corey Morgan on his, on his, um, uh, show on the Western standard
00:25:18.580 yesterday.
00:25:18.880 He said, you know, she should just call an independence vote, get, get it out of the
00:25:22.200 way.
00:25:23.200 Um, because all this pressure is going to be coming down on her from her own party.
00:25:27.580 It could, it could destroy the United conservative party.
00:25:31.060 Well, she's certainly losing her base and you know, everybody needs to remember what happens
00:25:36.040 when, you know, getting impatient, Jeff, I'm getting impatient here.
00:25:39.040 I really am.
00:25:39.640 Oh no, we all are, John, that's, that's the whole problem.
00:25:42.400 Right.
00:25:43.120 And I mean, you know, and at the end of the day, I mean, Jason, Kenny, after, you know,
00:25:46.280 like just before we threw him out on his ass, you know, it was like, Oh, well, this is the
00:25:50.920 base of the conservative party.
00:25:52.400 I want a new base.
00:25:53.560 It's like, yeah, okay, Kenny, well, you're fired and you can go join the NDP and have a
00:25:57.960 new base, right?
00:25:58.980 If that's, you know, if that's where you're at, you want to be a whiny little, you know,
00:26:02.480 you know, you know, you want to, you know, you want to be a whiny little baby, right?
00:26:06.080 Yeah.
00:26:06.280 You know, go join the NDP with Tommy Lucas.
00:26:08.940 Right.
00:26:10.080 You know, but I mean, the reality, the reality of it is that, you know, and again, independence
00:26:14.560 is not a partisan issue, right?
00:26:17.100 Everybody, like every teacher, every doctor, every nurse, every fireman, every, you know,
00:26:22.160 every frontline worker will benefit from no longer having to pay federal income tax.
00:26:28.300 You know, the day Alberta becomes independent, everybody's take home pay is going to go up
00:26:32.720 by 33%, right?
00:26:35.080 Teachers are concerned about, you know, the fact that they've got so many students in
00:26:39.360 their classrooms that they have to cater to that, you know, that are ESL students, like
00:26:44.000 English is a second language.
00:26:45.320 They don't speak English, right?
00:26:46.780 Well, all of the people that are here on international mobility program visas, all of the people that
00:26:51.920 are here on a temporary foreign worker visas, unless they absolutely can't be, they can prove
00:26:57.700 that they can't be replaced by an Albertan that's currently unemployed.
00:27:00.960 Like, all of them need to be deported.
00:27:03.060 You know, give them 1,500 bucks and a plane ticket to Ottawa and tell Ottawa to resettle
00:27:07.540 them somewhere because we don't need them here.
00:27:10.140 You know, like at 9% unemployment, why are you sending us more foreign workers?
00:27:14.000 We don't need them.
00:27:14.720 We don't want them.
00:27:16.120 You know, we don't have classrooms for them.
00:27:17.880 We don't have hospitals for them.
00:27:19.060 We don't have water for them.
00:27:20.340 We don't have electricity for them.
00:27:21.740 We don't have housing for them.
00:27:22.940 We don't have jobs for them.
00:27:24.540 Why are you sending them here?
00:27:26.580 Send them back to Ottawa where they belong and then let Ottawa deal with it.
00:27:30.080 I mean, you know, you think they had a problem with the convoy, you know, wait until plane
00:27:34.420 load after plane load after plane load of foreign workers start arriving in, you know,
00:27:38.960 in Ottawa looking for a place to stay.
00:27:41.640 You know, due to Ottawa, what they've been doing, you know, doing to Calgary and Edmonton
00:27:44.980 for the last 10 years.
00:27:46.580 Zoom makes a mess of this, but this is the value of freedom I'm holding here in my hand.
00:27:50.920 You told people to download this.
00:27:53.100 All the statistics and the things you're talking about here are all in here and costed out.
00:27:56.840 So if anybody wants to get this, be sure to pick this up at the APP website.
00:28:01.300 We'll put a link in the description so people can do that.
00:28:03.720 I'm getting short on time here, Jeff, but I wanted to ask you who, what does the APP
00:28:09.300 support when it comes up to the general meeting and the board of directors president?
00:28:13.980 Who are you, who are you backing?
00:28:15.120 Well, we're all, we're all supporting, we're supporting Daryl Comet.
00:28:17.560 And I, you know, I, and I don't do that lightly because I really like Rob Smith.
00:28:20.800 I think Rob Smith is, you know, has been a really, really decent guy and a really decent
00:28:24.920 president, but, you know, he proved the other night when he broke the tie, because the board
00:28:30.080 split 50-50 on the issue of whether we were going to, they were going to let Danielle muzzle
00:28:35.220 us at the AGM this year and not allow any talk of independence, right?
00:28:40.380 You know, the board split 50-50 on the base, on the question of whether or not they were
00:28:44.680 going to allow Danielle to bully her base into silence at the AGM.
00:28:49.060 And then Rob, you know, cast the tying vote in favor of Danielle, because of course, every
00:28:55.280 party, you know, like apparently wants to be one of those party presidents that knows
00:28:58.860 what side of the bread, you know, the butter's on and, you know, and, you know, and went with
00:29:03.760 Danielle.
00:29:04.680 And of course, we, our feeling is we need a party president that is not a lapdog to Danielle
00:29:11.220 Smith.
00:29:11.660 We need somebody that has the guts to stand up to her and say, Danielle, like the base aren't
00:29:16.020 going to tolerate this, Danielle, you know, even though Rob Anderson is telling you to
00:29:19.820 do this, it's not a good idea.
00:29:22.160 Rob Anderson has lost his way.
00:29:24.240 You know, you guys are out of touch with the party base.
00:29:26.640 You need to get back in, you want to win an election in 2027.
00:29:29.980 You're not going to win it pandering to the, you know, the NDP and the NDP voters, because
00:29:34.900 they're never going to vote for you, right?
00:29:37.640 You know, get your head out, you know, get your, you know, get your head out of the sand and
00:29:41.420 realize that the only way forward is by embracing your base and embracing what they want, which
00:29:46.780 is a free and independent Alberta, right?
00:29:49.620 But, you know, I mean, that's where we're at.
00:29:51.500 We'll see where the, you know, the chips fall where they may.
00:29:53.800 It's going to be an interesting annual general meeting this year.
00:29:57.760 You know, we're hoping that we have the votes to basically, you know, get, you know, to recapture
00:30:02.660 the entire provincial board.
00:30:04.160 But again, dirty tricks are afoot.
00:30:05.860 You know, Danielle has paid organizers to, you know, to oust pro-independence CAs and
00:30:12.320 replace entire CA boards.
00:30:14.400 They just, you know, they literally just fired an entire board and president from Sherwood
00:30:20.020 Park because they were pro-independence.
00:30:22.520 And, you know, Danielle wanted, you know, wanted lap dogs, you know, in that constituency
00:30:26.880 association, you know, so, you know, you know, the game, you know, as Conan Doyle used to
00:30:31.480 say, the game is afoot and we'll see where we go.
00:30:34.000 But it's not pretty, you know, it's ugly.
00:30:35.960 I mean, the tactics that Danielle is employing right now are, you know, are Jason Kenney
00:30:40.040 tactics.
00:30:40.660 They're sleazy, underhanded, you know, slimy tactics.
00:30:44.880 And, you know, we would have all hoped that she was better than that, but apparently not.
00:30:48.980 That might be the title of this video.
00:30:50.700 Danielle, sleazy, slimy, underhanded tactics.
00:30:54.640 I might use that.
00:30:57.220 She's trying to avoid discussion about the independence movement at the AGM, but you're not going to
00:31:02.920 allow that to happen.
00:31:04.160 No, I mean, well, you know, she's trying to, it's not having discussion about the movement
00:31:08.160 because she knows her base is the movement.
00:31:11.200 75, you know, 70 to 75% of her base favor independence, right?
00:31:15.800 She's trying to muzzle and stifle any discussion of independence itself at the AGM because heaven
00:31:22.580 forbid that we would be allowed to vote on a, you know, on a motion, you know, to, you know,
00:31:29.000 to clarify the fact that the United Conservative Party of Alberta, you know, favors independence
00:31:34.400 from Canada.
00:31:35.640 Like she's doing everything she can to prevent that from happening.
00:31:39.020 And as far as I'm concerned, the way she's going about it is completely anti-democratic
00:31:43.360 and she's thumbing, she's thumbing her nose at the people that elected her.
00:31:47.160 Because again, let's not forget, right?
00:31:49.000 You know, Travis Tabes was a Jason Kenney candidate.
00:31:51.840 So all the people that voted for him were, you know, were, you know, federalists, right?
00:31:56.660 Ray Jan Swanee is about as left-wing as you can get in the UCP without joining the NDP.
00:32:03.020 You know, all of her, the people that voted for her certainly, you know, would not have
00:32:08.420 been pro-independence.
00:32:09.800 Brian Jean ran on the fact that he was the only one that had the guts to go to an APP
00:32:14.680 forum, call us all a bunch of idiots to our faces, say that independence was never going
00:32:20.000 to happen and it would be over his dead body as leader of the party.
00:32:23.400 So none of the people supporting Brian Jean, right, supported independence, right?
00:32:28.760 So basically, you know, the only two candidates left, Danielle Smith and Todd Lowen, all of
00:32:36.140 the people, or I'd say 90% of the people voting for them were in favor of independence.
00:32:41.680 So, I mean, Danielle's really forgotten about the fact that she was elected by a base of the
00:32:47.700 Conservative Party that want out of Canada.
00:32:50.460 And she, every day that goes by when she puts on her silly little red blazer and her
00:32:55.000 white shirt and dresses up like the Canadian flag and says, strong Alberta within a United
00:33:00.180 Canada, you know, she's making it clear that she wants all of us to have to keep paying
00:33:05.200 federal income tax, keep paying carbon tax, keep paying GST, keep having our guns taken
00:33:11.920 away by Ottawa, all of it.
00:33:14.280 You know, when she says that, that's what she favors.
00:33:16.360 She can pretend all she wants, and it's the same thing on the recent decision from the
00:33:20.560 Supreme Court, right?
00:33:22.220 You know, people in this province are scandalized that a majority of the Supreme Court, you know,
00:33:26.700 didn't leave the, you know, didn't give Ottawa a year to fix the legislation like they normally
00:33:31.260 do.
00:33:32.420 You know, tell them, look, you need to carve out an exception for 18-year-old kids who
00:33:36.960 are having, you know, 17-year-old girls send pictures to them without their consent or
00:33:42.100 whatever.
00:33:42.460 No, but, you know, this is kind of the reasoning that the Supreme Court was using, you know,
00:33:45.940 they could have easily done that.
00:33:47.280 But instead, you know, a really despicable pedophile who had literally had pictures on
00:33:53.840 his, you know, devices of children being, you know, like young children, three, four,
00:33:58.780 five-year-old children being viciously raped.
00:34:01.700 You know, the Supreme Court said, oh, no, you know, we can't have, you know, we can't have
00:34:05.880 a minimum of a year in jail for this person.
00:34:08.580 Right.
00:34:08.700 And, you know, and so Danielle's going, I'm outraged and this is horrible and blah, blah,
00:34:13.140 blah.
00:34:13.620 Invoke the notwithstanding clause.
00:34:15.400 Well, I'll tell you what, Danielle, if you want to stop this kind of nonsense, you know,
00:34:19.240 the quickest way and cleanest way forward is for Alberta to become independent.
00:34:23.420 And then we could follow along with what Governor DeSantis is doing in Florida and bring in the
00:34:28.980 death penalty in Alberta for, you know, anybody raping a child under the age of 12.
00:34:33.880 Well, Jeff, I'm going to have to cut us off there because I'm going to, the video is going
00:34:37.080 to end here in a second.
00:34:38.100 I'm kind of limited by Zoom.
00:34:39.900 It's always a pleasure to talk to you.
00:34:41.900 And it's going to be interesting to see what happens at the end of November or maybe before
00:34:46.440 the end of November.
00:34:47.840 Yeah, there's lots going on, John.
00:34:49.600 I'm happy to come back whenever you want me or whenever you need me to come on.
00:34:54.700 You know, and again, I just want people to focus on how much better off we are going
00:34:58.420 to be in a free and independent Alberta.
00:35:01.000 And again, I think it's midnight.
00:35:03.940 Well, tomorrow, I guess this is going to be, by the time this is aired, the deadline will
00:35:07.600 have passed to buy a UCP membership to come join us at the AGM and vote.
00:35:11.940 But you can still buy observer tickets.
00:35:14.060 You can still come down and support the cause.
00:35:17.720 So I hope to see all of you with the UCP AGM this year and, you know, and help us hold
00:35:23.500 Danielle accountable and encourage her to support a free and independent Alberta.
00:35:30.240 For sure.
00:35:30.780 This video is running the morning of November 7th.
00:35:33.840 You've got until November 7th at 11.59 p.m. to sign up.
00:35:37.660 So Jeff, got to leave it there.
00:35:39.300 Thank you so much.
00:35:39.940 We'll have you back on again soon.
00:35:41.520 There's so much to talk about.
00:35:42.760 I appreciate it very much.
00:35:44.100 Yeah, you bet, John.
00:35:45.020 Thanks for having me on.
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