John Bolton - July 03, 2025


Jeff Rath on Independence - Carney a fascist, hammers Kenney, Lukaszuk and talks Danielle Smith


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Jeff Rath is a Canadian constitutional lawyer and race horse breeder who lives just outside my city of Calgary. He came into my consciousness when he was wearing a big cowboy hat talking about going down to the United States to talk to the Trump administration about Alberta becoming the 51st state. Seems like oh so long ago. And he has been going around Alberta talking to large groups of people about the independence movement here in Alberta.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John, and welcome to the channel.
00:00:01.900 Great to have you along today.
00:00:03.320 It is Wednesday, July the 2nd when I'm recording this,
00:00:07.160 but you're probably watching it on Thursday, July the 3rd,
00:00:10.700 or at a later date.
00:00:12.480 I do have my big blue mug of coffee.
00:00:14.360 I do have a guest today,
00:00:15.620 and it's very hard to get people to do interviews with me
00:00:18.680 at four o'clock in the morning when I get up,
00:00:20.920 so I'm doing this at four o'clock in the afternoon.
00:00:24.280 I've been very lucky on this channel
00:00:25.980 to be able to talk to some of the main players,
00:00:28.080 some of the bigger voices in the independence movement
00:00:30.660 out here in Alberta.
00:00:32.760 Way back before the election on April 28th,
00:00:35.380 I got to talk with Jeevan Mangat
00:00:36.800 from the Wild Rose Independence Party.
00:00:39.020 I've spoken with Corey Morgan from the Western Standard,
00:00:41.900 a man who literally wrote a book on the Sovereignist Movement
00:00:45.380 or on sovereignty here in Alberta.
00:00:47.460 You might want to pick that up.
00:00:48.820 And I spoke with Mitch Sylvester as well
00:00:50.700 from the Alberta Prosperity Project.
00:00:52.600 All those interviews are available right here on my channel.
00:00:54.920 You might want to go back and watch them.
00:00:58.660 The guest today I've got is somebody who came into my consciousness
00:01:02.160 and possibly yours as well
00:01:03.600 when you saw him wearing a big cowboy hat
00:01:05.800 talking about going down to the United States
00:01:08.860 to talk to the Trump administration
00:01:10.280 about Alberta becoming the 51st state.
00:01:13.740 Seems like oh so long ago.
00:01:16.020 And he has been going around Alberta
00:01:17.800 talking to large groups of people
00:01:19.600 about the independence movement here in Alberta.
00:01:22.880 Now tonight, Thursday, July the 3rd,
00:01:25.280 he will be in Airdrie.
00:01:27.240 And it is sold out there.
00:01:28.460 I will be there as well.
00:01:29.960 And I'm looking forward to meeting Jeff Rath
00:01:32.460 and hearing what he has to say.
00:01:34.120 Jeff is a Canadian constitutional lawyer.
00:01:37.000 He's a rancher.
00:01:37.820 He's a racehorse breeder.
00:01:39.140 He lives just outside my city of Calgary.
00:01:41.620 And I'd like to welcome him to my channel.
00:01:44.560 Well, thank you for having me on, John.
00:01:46.060 It's a pleasure.
00:01:46.860 Well, it's wonderful to have you here.
00:01:48.520 You're out driving.
00:01:49.640 You've been a very busy man of late.
00:01:51.760 I did mention in the intro
00:01:53.760 that you came into my consciousness.
00:01:55.720 I think like a lot of other Albertans,
00:01:57.800 when we saw your big cowboy hat
00:02:00.060 and you were talking about going to the states
00:02:02.320 to talk to Donald Trump,
00:02:03.720 or at least his administration,
00:02:04.900 about the 51st state.
00:02:06.400 You've been running around the province
00:02:07.680 talking to people about the independence movement here.
00:02:10.160 Why, Jeff, are you in favor of independence for Alberta?
00:02:14.760 Well, I mean, the numbers speak for themselves.
00:02:16.840 We're press releasing tomorrow at 11 o'clock
00:02:21.340 at the Hotel Arts in Calgary,
00:02:23.560 a draft fiscal plan for an independent Alberta.
00:02:27.260 And what that demonstrates is that
00:02:29.000 once we stop sending $70 billion a year to Ottawa,
00:02:33.180 which is all the taxes that leave Alberta,
00:02:36.060 plus CPP and UI,
00:02:38.720 and we keep all of that money in Alberta,
00:02:40.980 we end up with a fiscal capacity surplus
00:02:43.580 between $30 and $45 billion a year.
00:02:47.780 So that's after paying for,
00:02:49.580 you know, tripling the spend
00:02:50.680 on Indigenous people in Alberta
00:02:52.120 because the levels of poverty
00:02:53.520 that Canada has left those people in
00:02:55.700 over 150 years is despicable.
00:02:59.660 Fully costing in Alberta Armed Forces
00:03:02.000 at 3% of GDP,
00:03:03.920 paying for external affairs,
00:03:05.580 paying for, you know,
00:03:06.880 immigration and deportation
00:03:08.660 of all of the, you know,
00:03:10.820 all of the people here
00:03:12.180 on Trudeau work visas
00:03:13.460 that aren't working,
00:03:14.920 you know, et cetera, et cetera,
00:03:16.720 you know, Border Patrol, airports,
00:03:19.200 you know, all the so-called federal services
00:03:21.340 that are provided,
00:03:22.160 we end up with this massive
00:03:24.400 fiscal capacity surplus,
00:03:26.660 which means that taxes for Albertans
00:03:29.340 can be cut as much as 33% to 55%
00:03:32.720 in year one,
00:03:33.480 and then by year five,
00:03:35.640 you know,
00:03:35.880 once we double Alberta's
00:03:38.340 oil and gas production,
00:03:39.780 freed from all of the ridiculous regulations
00:03:42.480 that have been placed
00:03:44.300 on our industry by Ottawa,
00:03:46.040 by year five,
00:03:47.040 we could become
00:03:47.560 a zero income tax jurisdiction,
00:03:49.940 much like Dubai,
00:03:51.360 with having all of our healthcare
00:03:52.480 fully paid for,
00:03:54.180 you know,
00:03:54.460 everything, you know,
00:03:55.400 everything that's currently
00:03:56.380 being paid for by Alberta,
00:03:58.260 you know,
00:03:58.520 paid for,
00:03:59.560 you know,
00:04:00.260 with the excess fiscal capacity
00:04:02.340 generated,
00:04:03.480 including,
00:04:04.860 you know,
00:04:05.040 with a zero income tax rate.
00:04:07.220 So, you know,
00:04:08.200 that's what we're,
00:04:08.880 you know,
00:04:09.040 looking forward to.
00:04:09.920 Obviously,
00:04:10.320 we'd have,
00:04:10.640 you know,
00:04:10.820 a low corporate tax rate,
00:04:13.480 you know,
00:04:14.020 we'd have other,
00:04:14.720 you know,
00:04:14.960 other fees,
00:04:16.380 you know,
00:04:16.680 and so on that would be charged,
00:04:18.640 but Alberta would effectively
00:04:20.180 become the lowest tax,
00:04:22.500 least regulated jurisdiction
00:04:24.300 in North America,
00:04:26.420 which we think,
00:04:27.800 you know,
00:04:28.340 which we think would be a magnet
00:04:29.860 to businesses and companies
00:04:31.820 wanting to relocate here
00:04:33.280 and invest in this province.
00:04:35.060 Well,
00:04:35.340 I want to ask you about that
00:04:36.400 in a moment
00:04:36.740 because there's another person
00:04:37.800 who's got into the news
00:04:39.540 as of late.
00:04:40.300 I did a video on this
00:04:41.060 the other day
00:04:41.560 who was saying that Alberta,
00:04:43.280 that independence would mean
00:04:45.800 Alberta would be harmed
00:04:47.980 and Canada would be harmed
00:04:50.320 economically.
00:04:51.960 Alberta would be harmed economically.
00:04:53.440 The people who live in Alberta
00:04:54.360 would be harmed economically.
00:04:55.460 I think you know
00:04:56.000 who I'm talking about.
00:04:56.700 I'll get to that
00:04:57.120 in just a moment.
00:04:57.800 Do you think this message
00:04:58.680 is getting out?
00:04:59.300 But I go online.
00:05:00.100 I was online today
00:05:01.020 on a website
00:05:02.180 and people spouting off
00:05:04.120 all of the,
00:05:04.980 well,
00:05:06.320 I guess it's misinformation
00:05:07.180 about what would happen
00:05:08.660 if we had independence here.
00:05:09.920 Do you think that message
00:05:10.500 is getting out?
00:05:11.020 I know you and others
00:05:11.920 have been going all over the place
00:05:13.060 with the Alberta Prosperity Project.
00:05:14.500 Oh my God.
00:05:15.080 There was,
00:05:15.560 and I haven't posted it yet on X,
00:05:17.380 but there was a friend of mine
00:05:19.060 sent me a picture
00:05:19.860 of an APP float
00:05:21.800 that was in the Airdrie
00:05:23.640 Canada Day parade.
00:05:25.500 We prefer calling it
00:05:26.420 Alberta Day now,
00:05:27.300 of course,
00:05:27.660 but anyway,
00:05:29.600 during the Alberta,
00:05:30.580 the Airdrie Canada
00:05:32.840 slash Alberta Day parade,
00:05:34.780 the Alberta Prosperity Project
00:05:36.360 had a float in the parade,
00:05:38.240 you know,
00:05:39.100 celebrating Alberta independence
00:05:40.560 and that float
00:05:41.760 got massive cheers
00:05:43.200 all the way up
00:05:44.040 and down the parade route
00:05:45.220 more so than any other entry
00:05:47.000 in the parade.
00:05:48.220 So for people to suggest
00:05:49.800 that somehow or other
00:05:50.880 this movement
00:05:53.180 hasn't caught on,
00:05:54.560 you know,
00:05:55.720 they're not paying attention.
00:05:56.780 I mean,
00:05:56.940 I was,
00:05:57.260 I couldn't make it
00:05:58.260 to the Airdrie parade yesterday.
00:06:00.740 I was actually at Millerville,
00:06:04.360 which is kind of our family day,
00:06:05.620 you know,
00:06:05.800 our family's tradition
00:06:06.820 on July 1st.
00:06:08.420 And we had a couple of horses
00:06:09.840 that were running
00:06:11.680 in various events
00:06:12.680 at the,
00:06:13.200 you know,
00:06:13.440 at Millerville
00:06:14.180 that were just a lot of fun.
00:06:16.660 But I mean,
00:06:17.400 the support for independence
00:06:18.680 amongst everybody there
00:06:20.500 was overwhelming.
00:06:21.700 My people were coming up
00:06:22.820 and thanking me
00:06:23.540 for the work that I was doing
00:06:24.720 and telling me
00:06:25.720 to keep up the work
00:06:26.680 because everybody,
00:06:27.680 you know,
00:06:28.100 everybody they're talking to
00:06:29.840 is fully supportive
00:06:30.940 of independence.
00:06:32.240 I mean,
00:06:32.420 and we're talking like
00:06:33.260 very diverse walks of life,
00:06:35.100 you know,
00:06:35.260 police,
00:06:36.100 nurses,
00:06:36.800 firemen.
00:06:37.680 I mean,
00:06:37.940 everybody gets the fact
00:06:39.400 that their children
00:06:40.780 have no future
00:06:43.220 that currently stands
00:06:45.300 in the war on Alberta
00:06:48.200 and the war on the Alberta economy
00:06:50.560 that's been declared
00:06:51.680 by the Chinese Communist government
00:06:53.820 of Mark Carney in Ottawa.
00:06:56.080 So,
00:06:57.000 you know,
00:06:57.360 and I mean,
00:06:57.960 I'm even talking to people
00:06:59.140 that are like,
00:06:59.860 have sold all their businesses
00:07:01.200 in Ontario
00:07:01.820 and have moved to Alberta.
00:07:03.220 People from British Columbia
00:07:04.440 are selling their houses
00:07:05.720 and moving to Alberta
00:07:06.620 all because they want
00:07:07.820 to be here
00:07:08.380 when Alberta
00:07:09.120 becomes independent.
00:07:10.540 So I think there's,
00:07:11.400 you know,
00:07:11.600 there's a lot,
00:07:12.180 there's a lot of interest
00:07:13.040 in this,
00:07:13.380 not just in Alberta,
00:07:14.180 but right across the country.
00:07:15.440 Well,
00:07:15.460 certainly a lot of Alberta,
00:07:17.100 more people come to Alberta
00:07:18.020 than any other province
00:07:19.160 in the country
00:07:20.220 because we are prosperous here.
00:07:21.660 What do you say
00:07:22.060 to people who say
00:07:22.760 that Albertans are whining?
00:07:23.960 I see this all the time
00:07:25.220 on X.
00:07:26.140 The oil and gas industry
00:07:27.420 is doing just fine.
00:07:28.380 Why do you need
00:07:28.860 more pipelines?
00:07:29.640 I stopped listening
00:07:32.900 to Liberals years ago.
00:07:34.720 I think it's my response
00:07:36.180 to that.
00:07:36.760 That's all they are.
00:07:37.560 It's a bunch,
00:07:38.040 you know,
00:07:38.200 they're just a bunch of,
00:07:39.380 you know,
00:07:39.740 no good Liberal
00:07:40.780 misinformationists.
00:07:42.020 It's like that individual,
00:07:43.880 you know,
00:07:44.080 little Timmy Caulfield,
00:07:45.460 you know,
00:07:45.740 that Trudeau gave millions
00:07:46.720 and millions of dollars
00:07:47.640 to spout lies
00:07:49.220 about how safe and effective
00:07:50.360 the COVID vaccines were.
00:07:51.940 I mean,
00:07:52.220 they gave him
00:07:52.760 an order of Canada,
00:07:54.600 just like they gave
00:07:55.540 an order of Canada
00:07:56.320 recently to Bonnie Henry
00:07:58.040 and Theresa Tam.
00:07:59.640 for all of the lies
00:08:00.920 they told Canadians
00:08:02.040 about COVID.
00:08:04.300 It'll be the same thing.
00:08:05.280 I'm sure that,
00:08:06.000 you know,
00:08:06.220 if there's enough people
00:08:07.120 telling the right lies
00:08:08.600 and if they succeed
00:08:09.360 in defeating the referendum,
00:08:10.940 they'll get an order
00:08:11.760 of Canada,
00:08:12.880 you know,
00:08:13.180 for coming to Albertans
00:08:14.160 and lying to us
00:08:15.100 about how we're going
00:08:16.060 to lose our health
00:08:17.180 transfers.
00:08:19.380 That's the one
00:08:19.780 that makes me laugh
00:08:20.460 the most.
00:08:21.380 Oh,
00:08:21.880 if you leave Canada,
00:08:22.880 you're not going to get
00:08:23.660 any health transfers anymore.
00:08:25.460 It's like,
00:08:25.820 dude,
00:08:26.080 we won't need them
00:08:26.760 because we're not going
00:08:27.320 to be sending
00:08:27.680 any more tax money
00:08:28.720 for you to hold back
00:08:29.820 or transfer back to us.
00:08:32.180 So relax.
00:08:33.580 Like,
00:08:33.780 we don't care about that.
00:08:35.360 Let me ask you about it.
00:08:36.400 It broke a while ago,
00:08:37.860 but the other day,
00:08:38.800 Thomas Lukasik,
00:08:39.820 who's the former
00:08:40.360 deputy premier
00:08:42.220 here with the progressive
00:08:43.260 conservative party
00:08:44.260 has put a petition
00:08:46.860 forward
00:08:47.340 and can now gather
00:08:48.300 signatures,
00:08:49.060 I guess,
00:08:49.560 to have a petition
00:08:50.260 to have Alberta
00:08:51.020 stay within Canada.
00:08:52.040 I've been wanting
00:08:52.360 to hear what you have
00:08:52.980 to say about this.
00:08:53.900 I certainly have
00:08:54.820 questions about
00:08:55.520 what's going on here.
00:08:56.320 You know that Thomas Lukasik
00:09:00.080 has basically been
00:09:01.560 barred from ever
00:09:02.920 participating in
00:09:03.900 anything to do
00:09:04.580 with the United
00:09:05.040 Conservative Party
00:09:05.860 of Alberta
00:09:06.320 for life.
00:09:07.600 Well,
00:09:07.700 he's got an axe to grind.
00:09:08.880 I have no doubt about it.
00:09:10.100 No,
00:09:10.300 yeah,
00:09:10.540 no,
00:09:10.740 no,
00:09:10.860 he was endorsing
00:09:12.500 the NDP
00:09:13.040 in the last election.
00:09:14.620 So this whole
00:09:15.140 petition drive
00:09:16.040 of Lukasik's
00:09:16.960 is on behalf
00:09:18.000 of the NDP
00:09:18.740 and likely
00:09:19.840 because his
00:09:20.480 new business venture
00:09:21.580 is in promoting
00:09:22.720 Sharia law
00:09:24.000 in Alberta
00:09:24.680 through so-called
00:09:26.080 halal mortgages
00:09:27.140 in a halal
00:09:27.760 mortgage corporation,
00:09:29.180 right?
00:09:29.780 So,
00:09:30.420 you know,
00:09:30.700 I'm sure that,
00:09:31.420 you know,
00:09:31.880 I'm sure that Mr. Lukasik
00:09:33.140 for whatever reason
00:09:34.520 is concerned
00:09:35.260 that any change
00:09:36.600 to the status quo
00:09:37.580 in Alberta
00:09:38.120 won't be good
00:09:38.760 for his business.
00:09:40.200 But,
00:09:40.760 you know,
00:09:41.060 I don't want to get
00:09:41.700 into a lot of detail
00:09:42.980 with regard to,
00:09:44.720 you know,
00:09:44.920 Lukasik,
00:09:45.240 I call it a phony petition.
00:09:47.380 You know,
00:09:47.660 it's not,
00:09:48.600 it's brought under
00:09:49.580 the old statute.
00:09:50.780 I mean,
00:09:51.020 they have to get,
00:09:52.480 you know,
00:09:52.720 and it's not clear
00:09:53.440 whether,
00:09:54.000 a constitutional question.
00:09:58.620 So,
00:09:58.980 at minimum,
00:09:59.560 he has to get
00:09:59.980 300,000 signatures
00:10:01.420 in 90 days.
00:10:02.760 I don't think,
00:10:03.360 we don't think
00:10:03.780 that he's got
00:10:04.260 the organization
00:10:05.020 or the capacity
00:10:05.820 to do it.
00:10:07.360 You know,
00:10:07.920 so anyway,
00:10:08.620 well,
00:10:08.780 you know,
00:10:08.980 we're going to be
00:10:09.680 dealing with it
00:10:10.360 and we're going
00:10:10.660 to be filing
00:10:11.120 our petition question
00:10:12.120 under the new statute
00:10:13.680 the minute it's proclaimed.
00:10:15.320 So,
00:10:15.520 I mean,
00:10:15.920 I really don't have
00:10:16.540 anything more to say
00:10:17.280 about that
00:10:17.700 other than,
00:10:18.440 you know,
00:10:18.780 Lukasik and the,
00:10:19.680 you know,
00:10:19.820 and his new pals
00:10:20.580 in the NDP
00:10:21.180 are just trying
00:10:21.820 to make mischief,
00:10:23.020 right?
00:10:23.280 You know,
00:10:24.960 and I don't think
00:10:25.780 much more of it
00:10:26.460 than that.
00:10:26.840 He's not a serious
00:10:27.500 individual
00:10:28.120 as far as I'm concerned
00:10:30.040 and he has a really
00:10:31.480 spotty track record,
00:10:33.100 you know,
00:10:33.540 in Alberta politics.
00:10:35.560 So,
00:10:35.840 I'm not,
00:10:36.240 you know,
00:10:36.460 I'm not that much
00:10:37.260 concerned about
00:10:37.900 what he's doing.
00:10:38.540 Friday,
00:10:39.280 Friday,
00:10:39.420 the new rules
00:10:40.040 come into place,
00:10:41.200 Jeff,
00:10:41.520 regarding the petitions
00:10:43.240 and I think
00:10:43.680 it's 177,000
00:10:45.000 thereabout signatures
00:10:46.420 are going to be needed
00:10:47.000 and the Alberta
00:10:48.460 Prosperity Project
00:10:49.240 is filing on Friday.
00:10:50.880 Is that correct?
00:10:52.240 Yes,
00:10:52.500 that's what we're doing
00:10:53.720 going forward,
00:10:54.340 yeah.
00:10:54.800 Do you think,
00:10:55.520 do you think
00:10:56.020 this is a growing movement?
00:10:57.240 I know a few weeks ago
00:10:58.420 I was,
00:10:59.760 I follow you on,
00:11:01.080 on X,
00:11:02.240 Corey Morgan
00:11:02.880 had tweeted out
00:11:04.840 that the Republican Party
00:11:05.820 loss in Old Stidsbury
00:11:08.440 was a setback
00:11:09.700 for this movement.
00:11:10.720 I think you retweeted
00:11:11.680 that as well.
00:11:12.680 How do you feel
00:11:13.220 about them right now
00:11:14.260 as Cameron Davies
00:11:15.300 getting the message
00:11:16.100 that maybe he shouldn't
00:11:17.140 be doing what he's doing
00:11:17.940 or has he got an axe
00:11:18.740 to grind as well?
00:11:19.400 What are your thoughts
00:11:19.900 on that?
00:11:21.760 Well,
00:11:22.220 I actually,
00:11:23.040 when I was interviewed
00:11:23.680 following that,
00:11:24.580 you know,
00:11:25.220 that by-election,
00:11:26.300 I said,
00:11:26.560 I don't know
00:11:26.740 what everybody's upset
00:11:27.440 about.
00:11:27.760 The Independence Party
00:11:28.640 won the by-election.
00:11:30.080 The UCP won.
00:11:31.400 Over 65% 0.90
00:11:32.560 of the UCP's membership
00:11:33.800 is pro-independent.
00:11:35.580 True.
00:11:35.820 There was a recent poll,
00:11:36.900 I think it was Leger,
00:11:37.560 that came out
00:11:37.940 with a poll
00:11:38.340 that said as many
00:11:39.240 as 70%
00:11:40.180 of people who voted
00:11:41.580 for the Canadian
00:11:42.380 Conservative Party,
00:11:43.400 the Conservative Party
00:11:44.280 of Canada,
00:11:45.060 in the last federal election,
00:11:47.020 70% of them
00:11:48.060 were in favor
00:11:48.600 of independence,
00:11:49.680 right?
00:11:50.340 So,
00:11:50.900 I think the problems,
00:11:52.200 you know,
00:11:52.380 there were a couple
00:11:52.880 of things going on
00:11:53.640 in Old Stidsbury,
00:11:54.500 right?
00:11:55.380 One,
00:11:55.880 I think it's a testament
00:11:56.660 to Premier Smith's
00:11:58.260 continuing popularity,
00:11:59.800 right?
00:12:00.460 Two,
00:12:01.400 I think there's a lot
00:12:03.560 of people
00:12:03.940 that are turned off
00:12:05.100 by the Republican,
00:12:06.520 you know,
00:12:06.840 the Republican Party brand,
00:12:08.900 you know,
00:12:09.480 and the fact that,
00:12:10.420 you know,
00:12:10.780 Cam Davies is so
00:12:11.920 unapologetically
00:12:12.840 pro-American,
00:12:14.360 right?
00:12:14.900 Right,
00:12:15.240 right.
00:12:15.860 And a lot of people,
00:12:17.060 you know,
00:12:17.200 the majority of the people
00:12:18.420 within the independence
00:12:19.260 movement,
00:12:19.760 and that's why,
00:12:21.580 like when I first talked
00:12:23.180 about going down
00:12:23.860 to the United States,
00:12:24.920 I was talking about
00:12:25.680 going down there
00:12:26.240 to explore the possibility
00:12:27.880 and what that would entail,
00:12:29.760 but through that explanation,
00:12:32.660 it became quite clear
00:12:33.800 the Americans are not 1.00
00:12:34.900 interested in Alberta
00:12:35.780 joining the United States
00:12:36.840 as a separate state,
00:12:38.000 they are very
00:12:39.040 independent country,
00:12:41.560 You're kind of cutting out
00:12:47.080 a little bit right now,
00:12:47.880 I think you...
00:12:49.880 Oh,
00:12:50.300 here,
00:12:50.680 I'll pull over
00:12:52.360 so that,
00:12:52.920 you know,
00:12:54.220 we won't be interrupted
00:12:55.020 any further.
00:12:55.980 So,
00:12:56.160 you know,
00:12:57.260 so the United States,
00:12:58.300 you know,
00:12:58.560 in our meetings with them
00:12:59.800 made it clear
00:13:00.260 that they're very interested
00:13:01.380 in an independent Alberta
00:13:03.100 from a national security
00:13:04.760 perspective
00:13:05.300 and an energy security
00:13:06.480 perspective
00:13:07.020 because we would be out
00:13:08.480 from underneath the control
00:13:09.660 of the Communist Party
00:13:11.760 controlled Liberal Party
00:13:13.200 of Canada,
00:13:14.060 right?
00:13:15.160 So that's the basis
00:13:16.200 that we're moving forward on.
00:13:17.220 Also,
00:13:17.800 you know,
00:13:17.980 the polling within our movement
00:13:19.120 indicates that it's,
00:13:20.360 you know,
00:13:20.500 sort of only a small minority
00:13:22.080 of people that are
00:13:22.820 pro-independence
00:13:23.700 are interested in,
00:13:25.580 you know,
00:13:26.460 in joining the United States.
00:13:28.680 So,
00:13:29.040 you know,
00:13:29.200 what we say is,
00:13:29.920 look,
00:13:30.040 it's a process.
00:13:30.880 You know,
00:13:31.000 I'm not,
00:13:31.620 you know,
00:13:31.880 I'm not saying that,
00:13:32.700 you know,
00:13:32.860 people that want to join
00:13:34.120 the United States are wrong,
00:13:35.420 but the first step
00:13:37.160 to getting there
00:13:37.760 in any event
00:13:38.360 is getting Alberta
00:13:39.100 out of Canada
00:13:39.820 and becoming
00:13:40.320 an independent country
00:13:41.480 and then I think
00:13:42.620 once we do become
00:13:43.640 an independent country
00:13:44.700 and we come as prosperous
00:13:46.180 as I know we can become,
00:13:48.420 you know,
00:13:48.820 I don't think a lot of people
00:13:49.840 are going to be talking
00:13:50.520 about wanting to join
00:13:51.400 the United States anymore.
00:13:52.600 I mean,
00:13:52.820 the plan going forward
00:13:54.160 is to be in a complete
00:13:55.360 free market with the U.S.
00:13:56.940 with an open border,
00:13:58.340 free trade,
00:13:59.500 no tariffs
00:14:00.320 on any goods and services
00:14:01.620 on both sides of the border,
00:14:03.620 you know,
00:14:03.780 increased,
00:14:04.600 you know,
00:14:05.040 the doubling of oil exports
00:14:06.620 to the United States
00:14:07.720 through additional pipelines,
00:14:09.300 including a pipeline
00:14:10.140 to Tidewater
00:14:10.820 through Montana,
00:14:12.580 Idaho,
00:14:13.000 and Washington State,
00:14:14.480 you know,
00:14:14.720 et cetera,
00:14:15.380 et cetera.
00:14:16.540 So,
00:14:17.240 you know,
00:14:17.760 we think the benefits
00:14:18.760 of just straight independence,
00:14:20.680 you know,
00:14:20.960 far outweigh any benefits
00:14:22.740 of U.S. statehood.
00:14:25.000 You know,
00:14:25.200 one of the problems
00:14:25.820 with U.S. statehood
00:14:26.640 is we get rid of the CRA 0.99
00:14:27.820 and then we're under
00:14:29.060 the jurisdiction
00:14:29.680 of the U.S. Treasury
00:14:30.680 and,
00:14:31.700 you know,
00:14:32.200 what used to be the IRS.
00:14:33.340 So,
00:14:34.540 you know,
00:14:34.840 a lot of people
00:14:35.420 in our movement
00:14:35.920 are really looking forward
00:14:36.940 to having,
00:14:37.820 you know,
00:14:38.020 one level of government
00:14:39.280 taxing them,
00:14:40.720 specifically,
00:14:41.560 you know,
00:14:41.800 the government
00:14:42.220 of the independent
00:14:43.060 Commonwealth of Alberta
00:14:44.380 with extremely low
00:14:46.000 or non-existent
00:14:46.880 personal income tax rates
00:14:48.300 and a really modest
00:14:49.780 corporate tax rate,
00:14:51.860 you know,
00:14:52.120 along with,
00:14:52.900 you know,
00:14:53.160 some very modest
00:14:54.000 and workable,
00:14:55.320 you know,
00:14:56.180 consumption taxes,
00:14:57.120 which would completely pay
00:14:58.780 for,
00:14:59.660 you know,
00:15:00.560 the governance
00:15:01.020 of an independent Alberta.
00:15:03.020 What do you make?
00:15:03.740 You brought up Danielle Smith.
00:15:04.780 What do you make of her?
00:15:05.440 There was a story,
00:15:06.200 I think it might have been
00:15:06.720 in the Calgary Sun,
00:15:08.800 maybe the National Post
00:15:09.680 ran it as well,
00:15:10.520 but they said that
00:15:11.860 even people
00:15:12.900 who are independence-minded
00:15:14.160 here in Alberta,
00:15:15.000 we trust Danielle Smith.
00:15:17.200 I mean,
00:15:17.360 she has been very outspoken.
00:15:19.100 She's called on Carney
00:15:20.020 to get rid of C-69, 1.00
00:15:22.080 the pipelines ban,
00:15:23.600 C-48,
00:15:24.360 the tanker ban,
00:15:25.500 and a number of other things,
00:15:26.420 seven other things
00:15:27.300 she's demanded of Carney,
00:15:28.260 who has basically
00:15:29.500 just passed a new law
00:15:30.560 to give him
00:15:31.060 more power
00:15:32.280 to decide on
00:15:32.960 what gets built
00:15:33.460 in this country.
00:15:33.940 What do you make
00:15:34.340 of Danielle Smith?
00:15:35.780 Well,
00:15:36.100 we're continuing
00:15:36.740 to give her
00:15:37.440 the benefit of the doubt.
00:15:38.560 She gave Carney
00:15:39.280 six months,
00:15:40.420 two months ago,
00:15:41.420 so she's only got 0.60
00:15:42.460 four months left,
00:15:43.620 right?
00:15:44.160 So,
00:15:44.700 you know,
00:15:44.920 we're going to give her
00:15:45.520 that time,
00:15:46.260 but,
00:15:46.880 you know,
00:15:47.120 we're not buying
00:15:48.100 the whole Team Canada
00:15:49.200 routine,
00:15:50.060 right?
00:15:50.940 You know,
00:15:51.500 who wants to be
00:15:52.340 on a team
00:15:52.820 where every time
00:15:53.520 you turn around,
00:15:54.540 somebody is either
00:15:55.200 elbowing you in the mouth 0.93
00:15:56.360 or cross-checking you
00:15:57.340 in the face?
00:15:58.180 You know,
00:15:58.340 Danielle says,
00:15:58.840 I'm on Team Canada
00:15:59.880 and then Quebec says,
00:16:01.620 there will never be
00:16:02.280 a pipeline through Quebec
00:16:03.400 and then Danielle says, 0.95
00:16:04.760 I'm on Team Canada
00:16:05.760 and then David Eby
00:16:07.040 from British Columbia
00:16:07.820 says,
00:16:08.160 there will never be
00:16:08.640 a pipeline,
00:16:09.280 another pipeline
00:16:10.120 to Tidewater
00:16:10.820 through British Columbia,
00:16:12.540 right?
00:16:13.120 So,
00:16:13.560 what kind of teammates
00:16:14.460 are these,
00:16:15.300 right?
00:16:15.660 So,
00:16:16.300 we're,
00:16:16.580 you know,
00:16:16.720 she's burning up
00:16:17.620 an awful lot
00:16:18.520 of political capital
00:16:19.660 trying to,
00:16:21.260 you know,
00:16:21.460 under the hollow slogan
00:16:22.940 of a sovereign Alberta
00:16:24.740 within a,
00:16:25.440 you know,
00:16:25.680 a strong Canada,
00:16:27.140 right?
00:16:27.400 A united Canada,
00:16:28.100 yeah,
00:16:28.460 yeah,
00:16:28.980 yeah,
00:16:29.300 whatever,
00:16:30.000 right?
00:16:30.660 Within the United Canada.
00:16:32.060 Doesn't make sense
00:16:32.560 to me either,
00:16:33.140 right?
00:16:33.340 Yeah,
00:16:33.860 yeah,
00:16:34.200 yeah,
00:16:34.480 and I mean,
00:16:34.880 it's just,
00:16:35.520 you know,
00:16:35.720 it's just a hollow slogan.
00:16:37.060 I mean,
00:16:37.260 all it is,
00:16:37.740 is a hollow slogan
00:16:38.720 in favor of the status quo
00:16:40.800 and even if we,
00:16:42.140 she was to get,
00:16:43.080 you know,
00:16:43.320 two more pipelines
00:16:44.300 from Kearney,
00:16:45.400 our attitude is,
00:16:46.480 so what?
00:16:47.440 Right?
00:16:47.800 And when I say that,
00:16:49.460 when you look at
00:16:50.540 the fiscal plan
00:16:51.440 for an independent Alberta
00:16:52.560 that we're releasing
00:16:53.260 tomorrow,
00:16:54.100 right?
00:16:54.300 You know,
00:16:55.700 Danielle's even acknowledged,
00:16:57.060 so we get another pipeline,
00:16:58.260 it's an extra $20 billion,
00:16:59.940 half of it goes to Ottawa,
00:17:01.720 so she's really excited
00:17:02.860 about more money
00:17:03.620 going to Quebec,
00:17:04.500 we're not,
00:17:05.620 you know,
00:17:05.820 but if all of that money
00:17:06.860 were to stay in Alberta,
00:17:07.860 we get a new pipeline
00:17:08.840 and it's $20 billion
00:17:10.200 that stays in Alberta,
00:17:12.020 well,
00:17:12.220 that takes our fiscal
00:17:13.040 capacity surplus
00:17:14.020 up to $70 billion.
00:17:16.680 Then we get another pipeline,
00:17:18.020 that takes our fiscal
00:17:19.740 capacity surplus
00:17:20.660 up to $90 billion,
00:17:22.340 you know,
00:17:22.740 billion dollars.
00:17:23.740 When we get to a fiscal
00:17:24.840 capacity surplus
00:17:25.780 of $90 billion,
00:17:27.460 zero income tax
00:17:28.720 in Alberta
00:17:29.260 is a real thing,
00:17:32.380 right?
00:17:33.040 And,
00:17:33.560 you know,
00:17:33.840 what I want everybody
00:17:34.840 to consider,
00:17:35.820 and I can't remember,
00:17:37.780 you know,
00:17:38.140 or when you get a copy
00:17:39.080 of this fiscal plan,
00:17:40.440 you know,
00:17:40.620 please have me back on
00:17:41.780 because I'd like to talk
00:17:42.620 to you about it.
00:17:43.520 When you read it
00:17:44.580 and you see how strong
00:17:45.960 the numbers are,
00:17:47.480 you know,
00:17:47.940 I was talking about
00:17:48.960 those numbers
00:17:49.600 at a UCP Courage
00:17:51.500 to Listen event
00:17:52.240 last week.
00:17:53.340 And what I told
00:17:54.140 that entire audience,
00:17:55.580 including sitting MLAs
00:17:57.080 for the United
00:17:58.200 Conservative Party,
00:17:59.180 including senior
00:18:00.440 party officials
00:18:02.020 for the United
00:18:03.580 Conservative Party,
00:18:05.260 you know,
00:18:05.500 CA presidents,
00:18:07.000 directors of the
00:18:07.880 provincial board,
00:18:08.780 directors from the,
00:18:09.520 you know,
00:18:09.840 from the executive,
00:18:11.640 I said,
00:18:12.060 listen,
00:18:12.660 the legal standard
00:18:13.860 of a fiduciary
00:18:14.880 is a reasonably
00:18:16.080 prudent person
00:18:17.200 managing the
00:18:17.920 their own affairs.
00:18:18.940 When you look
00:18:19.840 at the numbers
00:18:20.380 in this report
00:18:21.160 and you see
00:18:22.060 how strong they are,
00:18:23.420 it is a breach
00:18:24.440 of fiduciary duty
00:18:25.740 for any elected
00:18:27.060 MLA cabinet minister
00:18:28.640 or premier
00:18:29.420 not to pursue
00:18:30.700 Alberta independence
00:18:31.720 on behalf
00:18:32.340 of their voters.
00:18:33.800 You know,
00:18:34.000 it's just a complete,
00:18:34.700 it's a complete
00:18:35.520 abdication
00:18:36.120 of any fiscal
00:18:37.420 responsibility
00:18:38.200 not to pursue that
00:18:39.660 given how strong
00:18:40.300 the numbers are.
00:18:40.860 Do you think
00:18:41.460 there are a number
00:18:42.000 of,
00:18:42.500 I call them
00:18:44.120 independents
00:18:44.880 or sovereigntists
00:18:45.700 in the UCP?
00:18:46.600 Do you think
00:18:46.880 a number of them
00:18:47.500 would support that?
00:18:49.520 Oh God,
00:18:49.900 I actually,
00:18:50.820 well,
00:18:51.280 I mean,
00:18:51.700 their base
00:18:52.540 is our base,
00:18:53.880 right?
00:18:54.000 Danielle Smith
00:18:54.580 want to answer
00:18:55.260 that as well.
00:18:56.660 Well,
00:18:57.040 I'm not sure
00:18:58.140 where she's at.
00:18:58.920 It seems very
00:18:59.500 schizophrenic.
00:19:00.460 One day she,
00:19:01.100 she,
00:19:01.460 you know,
00:19:01.600 no,
00:19:01.800 she claims
00:19:02.320 that she's
00:19:02.780 for a sovereign
00:19:03.400 Alberta
00:19:03.820 within the
00:19:04.260 United Canada.
00:19:04.860 So that's her
00:19:06.360 position.
00:19:07.180 Again,
00:19:07.540 it's a hollow
00:19:08.120 slogan and it
00:19:09.260 really doesn't
00:19:10.000 demonstrate a lot
00:19:10.840 of leadership.
00:19:11.760 But anyway,
00:19:12.500 but getting back
00:19:13.040 to your question
00:19:13.580 about support
00:19:14.680 for independence
00:19:15.320 within the UCP,
00:19:16.540 there was a
00:19:17.600 recent poll done
00:19:18.660 that had support
00:19:19.640 for independence
00:19:20.340 within the UCP
00:19:21.460 well over 65%.
00:19:23.880 So that's a real
00:19:25.420 problem that Danielle
00:19:26.440 has.
00:19:26.900 And I would say
00:19:27.600 now,
00:19:28.480 you know,
00:19:28.700 just like I got
00:19:29.600 a standing ovation
00:19:30.700 at a UCP event
00:19:32.380 last week,
00:19:33.320 including senior
00:19:34.240 members of the
00:19:34.800 executive,
00:19:35.400 the boards
00:19:35.780 of the provincial
00:19:36.720 executive,
00:19:37.820 CA president,
00:19:39.400 sitting MLAs.
00:19:40.360 I got a standing
00:19:41.140 ovation in favor
00:19:42.400 of Alberta
00:19:42.940 independence at
00:19:44.280 a UCP event.
00:19:45.900 So,
00:19:46.480 you know,
00:19:46.700 I would say
00:19:47.260 every month
00:19:47.860 that goes by
00:19:48.680 and certainly
00:19:49.460 as the numbers
00:19:50.220 come out
00:19:50.800 and people see
00:19:52.440 that,
00:19:53.100 you know,
00:19:53.640 a strong,
00:19:55.440 financially strong
00:19:56.520 independent Alberta
00:19:57.560 is a reality,
00:19:59.280 you know,
00:19:59.800 that,
00:20:00.260 you know,
00:20:00.420 by October
00:20:01.160 support,
00:20:01.880 I think,
00:20:02.300 for independence
00:20:02.920 within the UCP
00:20:03.900 could be well
00:20:04.460 over 80%.
00:20:05.480 You know,
00:20:06.480 the only people
00:20:07.780 that are against,
00:20:08.660 you know,
00:20:09.060 independence
00:20:09.560 and what we're
00:20:10.080 hearing,
00:20:10.720 you know,
00:20:11.040 around the province
00:20:11.840 is a lot of the
00:20:12.920 billionaire class
00:20:14.000 don't like the idea
00:20:15.520 of independence
00:20:16.220 because they have
00:20:17.040 investments in Toronto
00:20:18.240 and the truck,
00:20:18.820 they have a big stake
00:20:19.540 in the Toronto
00:20:20.020 Stock Exchange,
00:20:21.320 you know,
00:20:21.520 all of the tax
00:20:22.240 shelters that they've
00:20:23.080 set up to siphon
00:20:24.240 all of their money
00:20:24.940 out of Canada
00:20:25.640 so that they don't
00:20:26.340 have to pay taxes,
00:20:27.560 you know,
00:20:27.860 and all those types
00:20:28.660 of things
00:20:29.040 are very complex
00:20:30.420 structures
00:20:31.260 which could be,
00:20:32.460 you know,
00:20:32.820 put at risk
00:20:33.780 if Alberta
00:20:34.680 simply took itself
00:20:35.620 out of Canada
00:20:36.280 and came in
00:20:37.240 with a flat,
00:20:38.000 you know,
00:20:38.300 10% corporate tax
00:20:39.580 rate and,
00:20:40.720 you know,
00:20:41.220 changed the way
00:20:42.040 in which,
00:20:43.060 you know,
00:20:43.420 all of these
00:20:45.060 things were done.
00:20:46.060 You know,
00:20:46.260 and let's face it,
00:20:46.980 our existing billionaires
00:20:48.240 have done very,
00:20:49.480 very well
00:20:50.020 in a high tax,
00:20:51.540 high regulatory
00:20:52.360 environment.
00:20:53.660 You know,
00:20:53.880 like a whole bunch
00:20:54.820 of them are lined
00:20:55.480 up now with,
00:20:56.220 you know,
00:20:56.380 knives and forks
00:20:57.140 like,
00:20:57.480 you know,
00:20:57.660 waiting to get
00:20:58.300 at the trough
00:20:59.180 in and around
00:21:00.000 that Pathways
00:21:00.780 Alliance project.
00:21:02.740 You know,
00:21:02.960 Carney's giant
00:21:03.940 carbon sucking
00:21:04.920 machine
00:21:05.460 to so-called
00:21:06.440 decarbonize
00:21:07.360 the decarbonized
00:21:09.040 barrel of oil.
00:21:10.080 Yeah,
00:21:10.360 yeah,
00:21:10.660 yeah,
00:21:10.900 yeah,
00:21:11.080 yeah.
00:21:11.400 What,
00:21:11.740 of course,
00:21:12.000 I always point out
00:21:12.680 to people,
00:21:13.060 it's so funny
00:21:13.620 when you think
00:21:14.240 about the word
00:21:14.680 hydrocarbon,
00:21:16.100 you know,
00:21:16.300 hydro is water,
00:21:17.260 carbon is carbon.
00:21:18.420 So if you decarbonize
00:21:19.500 oil,
00:21:19.860 does that mean
00:21:20.260 you just have water?
00:21:21.620 What a stupid,
00:21:23.140 what a stupid
00:21:24.020 statement,
00:21:24.760 right?
00:21:25.180 So,
00:21:25.540 you know,
00:21:25.980 so all these people
00:21:26.920 that have,
00:21:27.380 you know,
00:21:27.560 and these are all
00:21:28.320 Brookfield adjacent,
00:21:29.680 you know,
00:21:31.120 crony capitalists
00:21:32.280 that they call
00:21:32.700 stakeholder capitalists,
00:21:34.520 you know,
00:21:34.720 that are all in
00:21:35.380 on the big
00:21:35.920 World Economic Forum
00:21:37.360 scam,
00:21:38.360 you know,
00:21:38.580 are all sharpening
00:21:39.580 their knives and forks
00:21:40.700 waiting to get
00:21:41.620 at the $50 billion
00:21:42.980 trough of Alberta
00:21:44.840 taxpayer money
00:21:45.980 that's going to go
00:21:46.940 into their hands
00:21:47.740 so that they can
00:21:48.600 suck carbon 0.99
00:21:49.540 out of the,
00:21:50.040 you know,
00:21:50.320 out of the Alberta
00:21:51.080 oil patch.
00:21:51.900 It's disgusting,
00:21:53.040 it's despicable,
00:21:54.040 and the worst of it
00:21:54.860 is Daniel Smith
00:21:55.660 supports it.
00:21:56.440 You did an interview
00:21:57.580 back in April,
00:21:58.400 I just want to mention
00:21:58.920 this,
00:21:59.200 and you said
00:21:59.620 Albertans are sick
00:22:00.340 and tired of being
00:22:01.000 overtaxed and overregulated
00:22:02.620 by morons who believe 0.87
00:22:03.960 that punitive taxes
00:22:05.400 on working families
00:22:06.440 will change the weather.
00:22:07.900 I love it,
00:22:08.440 because that's exactly
00:22:09.300 how I feel.
00:22:10.160 Yeah.
00:22:10.300 No,
00:22:10.840 and I mean,
00:22:11.160 that's exactly what it is.
00:22:12.340 I mean,
00:22:12.520 it reminds me of the
00:22:13.840 ancient Mayans
00:22:14.660 and the ancient Aztecs,
00:22:15.900 right?
00:22:16.380 In this case,
00:22:17.080 what they're doing
00:22:17.640 is they're literally
00:22:18.320 cutting the beating
00:22:19.140 hearts out of working
00:22:20.140 men and women in Alberta
00:22:21.220 through overtaxation,
00:22:23.300 you know,
00:22:23.680 in the same way
00:22:24.520 that the Mayans
00:22:25.220 and the Aztecs
00:22:25.880 were physically
00:22:26.580 cutting the hearts
00:22:27.460 out of people
00:22:28.020 thinking it was going
00:22:29.100 to change the weather.
00:22:30.000 It's the same level
00:22:31.180 of magical thinking,
00:22:32.520 right?
00:22:33.180 The other one I'd like
00:22:34.220 everybody else to consider,
00:22:35.540 you know,
00:22:35.780 that's watching this,
00:22:36.900 is think about Carney
00:22:37.940 when he talks about
00:22:38.760 energy corridors.
00:22:40.460 Like,
00:22:40.620 he's going to allow
00:22:41.240 Alberta a pipeline,
00:22:42.380 all right?
00:22:42.860 The pipeline just happens
00:22:44.060 to be a liquid CO2 pipeline
00:22:45.760 from the heart
00:22:46.680 of the tar sands,
00:22:47.840 you know,
00:22:48.080 out to Bonneville Coal Lake
00:22:49.860 to put CO2 back
00:22:50.980 in the ground.
00:22:51.780 His energy corridor
00:22:52.900 has nothing to do,
00:22:54.800 nothing whatsoever
00:22:55.540 to do with oil
00:22:56.820 and gas pipelines.
00:22:58.080 And if Danielle Smith
00:22:59.020 thinks that,
00:22:59.720 she is deluded.
00:23:01.140 It's interesting.
00:23:02.300 So,
00:23:02.480 just let me finish
00:23:03.300 this line.
00:23:03.520 Go ahead,
00:23:03.940 let me go ahead.
00:23:04.560 Yeah.
00:23:05.320 So,
00:23:06.240 you know,
00:23:06.720 what we think
00:23:07.480 Carney's,
00:23:07.940 plan is,
00:23:08.800 is that so-called
00:23:09.520 energy corridor
00:23:10.660 is going to be made up
00:23:12.040 of massive high-tension
00:23:13.540 power lines
00:23:14.380 to run electricity
00:23:15.200 because God knows
00:23:16.280 they don't want us
00:23:16.860 driving any more cars
00:23:17.900 and trucks
00:23:18.300 in 10 years,
00:23:19.280 right?
00:23:19.780 And that what they're
00:23:20.600 going to do
00:23:21.140 to deal with line loss
00:23:22.960 because Brookfield
00:23:24.000 is so heavily invested
00:23:25.180 now in getting
00:23:26.280 more invested
00:23:26.980 in modular nuclear
00:23:28.300 is that they'll just
00:23:29.400 have a whole bunch
00:23:30.080 of modular nuclear
00:23:31.080 repeating stations
00:23:32.120 along this energy
00:23:33.440 corridor,
00:23:34.760 right?
00:23:35.340 So that they can force, 0.96
00:23:36.480 you know,
00:23:36.640 they'll actually have
00:23:37.440 enough electricity
00:23:38.300 in the Alberta grid
00:23:39.360 so that Albertans
00:23:40.540 could replace
00:23:41.340 our 5 million cars
00:23:42.500 and trucks
00:23:43.060 with,
00:23:43.780 you know,
00:23:44.420 5 million,
00:23:45.240 you know,
00:23:46.020 EVs,
00:23:46.800 which will require
00:23:47.720 literally a quintupling
00:23:49.540 of the output
00:23:50.780 of the present
00:23:51.380 Alberta power grid,
00:23:53.200 right?
00:23:53.480 But keep in mind
00:23:54.800 that the end goal
00:23:55.860 is to make it
00:23:56.800 10 years from now
00:23:57.740 that every time
00:23:58.840 an Albertan plugs
00:23:59.780 in a car or truck
00:24:00.740 to an electrical outlet,
00:24:02.340 right,
00:24:02.600 that money is going
00:24:03.940 to go directly
00:24:04.820 into Mark Carney's
00:24:06.080 hidden offshore
00:24:06.880 Brookfield bank accounts.
00:24:08.780 That's what this is.
00:24:10.260 This is a giant
00:24:11.080 corrupt scheme
00:24:12.160 just to completely
00:24:13.760 strip money
00:24:14.860 out of Alberta
00:24:15.560 and put it
00:24:16.140 into the offshore
00:24:16.820 bank accounts
00:24:17.960 of all of these
00:24:18.860 corrupted,
00:24:19.500 crooked world
00:24:19.980 economic forum
00:24:20.860 shysters. 1.00
00:24:21.320 And the other,
00:24:22.340 I don't want to get
00:24:22.980 deep into it,
00:24:23.680 but also he's
00:24:24.560 into modular homes.
00:24:25.800 There's a company
00:24:26.340 called Modulair
00:24:27.180 that's run by Brookfield
00:24:28.240 that builds modular homes.
00:24:29.680 It's just,
00:24:30.480 it's a...
00:24:30.800 Oh,
00:24:31.000 every time you turn around,
00:24:32.880 there's another
00:24:33.480 conflict of interest.
00:24:34.800 Why do you think
00:24:35.420 Trudeau was promoting
00:24:36.420 heat pumps?
00:24:37.280 It's because Brookfield
00:24:38.120 owns one of the biggest
00:24:39.140 heat pump manufacturers
00:24:40.260 in North America.
00:24:41.400 Why did Trudeau...
00:24:42.240 And people talk about
00:24:43.180 the offshore tanker band.
00:24:44.860 A lot of people
00:24:45.460 don't know that Trudeau
00:24:46.480 with a flick of a pen,
00:24:47.900 right,
00:24:48.500 changed the specifications
00:24:49.920 for rail car tankers
00:24:52.640 to take Alberta oil
00:24:53.920 from Texas.
00:24:55.040 Guess what the only
00:24:55.700 company in North America
00:24:56.780 is that can supply
00:24:58.080 those cars?
00:24:58.940 Now that Trudeau's
00:24:59.740 outlawed 90%
00:25:00.880 of North American
00:25:02.200 rolling stock.
00:25:03.200 Berkshire Hathaway.
00:25:04.320 Who's in bed
00:25:04.840 with Brookfield?
00:25:05.700 Berkshire Hathaway.
00:25:06.660 Who's the only company
00:25:07.800 in North America
00:25:08.500 that builds tankers,
00:25:10.300 you know,
00:25:10.440 rail tanker cars
00:25:11.560 that meet Trudeau's
00:25:12.680 specification,
00:25:13.600 or Carney's specification?
00:25:15.320 Berkshire Hathaway,
00:25:16.480 partnered with Brookfield.
00:25:17.600 I mean,
00:25:18.340 this entire thing
00:25:19.420 is crony capitalism
00:25:21.100 at its most disgusting
00:25:22.960 and most despicable,
00:25:24.540 and we need to get out
00:25:25.440 from underneath it.
00:25:26.740 Okay,
00:25:27.200 so I don't want to keep you
00:25:28.380 very much longer.
00:25:29.480 We've talked to you
00:25:30.380 for quite some time.
00:25:31.040 I did this with Mitch.
00:25:31.560 No,
00:25:31.780 I ranted and raved
00:25:33.560 at you for 34 minutes.
00:25:35.260 I did a rapid fire
00:25:37.240 with Mitch
00:25:37.720 when he was on here,
00:25:38.520 so hopefully
00:25:39.380 we can keep them down
00:25:40.680 pretty short here,
00:25:41.880 but I just want to
00:25:42.480 throw some things at you
00:25:43.400 and just get your
00:25:43.980 initial thoughts on this.
00:25:45.620 People say we need
00:25:47.060 to give the new
00:25:47.620 liberal government
00:25:48.220 a chance.
00:25:50.500 Yeah,
00:25:50.680 we did,
00:25:51.100 and they screwed us 0.94
00:25:51.720 every time we turned around.
00:25:53.860 This is the fourth time,
00:25:55.100 right?
00:25:55.820 Right,
00:25:56.160 yeah,
00:25:56.380 absolutely.
00:25:57.740 A more friendly
00:25:59.020 conservative government
00:26:00.220 is just around the corner,
00:26:01.700 so why not wait for that?
00:26:03.420 Well,
00:26:03.700 we don't have five years
00:26:04.580 to wait.
00:26:05.000 Carney's an existential threat
00:26:06.340 to Alberta.
00:26:07.040 We'll all be bankrupt
00:26:07.720 by then.
00:26:08.440 Okay,
00:26:08.780 indigenous groups,
00:26:09.640 I know you work with them.
00:26:10.960 They have a veto power
00:26:12.220 over our resource projects.
00:26:15.080 Oh,
00:26:15.400 I don't believe
00:26:16.300 that's the case.
00:26:17.040 I've been litigating
00:26:17.660 consultation cases
00:26:19.100 my entire working career.
00:26:21.600 The law is actually
00:26:22.440 quite the opposite
00:26:23.140 on that point.
00:26:24.360 Okay,
00:26:24.920 you've mentioned this,
00:26:26.420 but Carney wants us
00:26:27.160 to be an economic
00:26:27.880 and energy superpower,
00:26:30.340 and you've spoken about that.
00:26:31.540 Well,
00:26:32.160 I'm sure provided
00:26:33.280 it's Brookfield-owned
00:26:34.440 modular nuclear,
00:26:35.820 Brookfield-owned hydrogen,
00:26:37.680 and Brookfield-owned
00:26:38.880 wind and solar farms.
00:26:40.060 I mean,
00:26:40.560 you know,
00:26:41.000 it's just a joke,
00:26:42.760 right?
00:26:42.920 I mean,
00:26:43.780 you know,
00:26:44.180 it's like,
00:26:45.040 let's,
00:26:45.400 but yeah,
00:26:45.720 they want to be
00:26:46.440 an energy superpower,
00:26:47.600 but they still want to,
00:26:48.360 you know,
00:26:48.840 preserve their right
00:26:49.900 as central Canadians
00:26:51.320 to keep all of Alberta's
00:26:52.840 oil and gas
00:26:53.460 in the ground.
00:26:54.520 Well,
00:26:54.600 what I find fascinating
00:26:55.640 is he's making a commitment
00:26:56.780 to building mines.
00:26:58.120 Now,
00:26:58.360 he wants to pay for
00:26:59.420 the new military spending
00:27:00.680 with mines,
00:27:01.360 but what does he get
00:27:02.060 out of mines?
00:27:02.700 He gets solar panels
00:27:03.720 and wind turbines,
00:27:04.760 but he's made no commitment
00:27:06.100 to oil pipelines,
00:27:07.480 and we've been asking
00:27:08.560 for this for years,
00:27:09.520 and Danielle Smith
00:27:10.200 is at his door every day
00:27:11.260 saying,
00:27:11.620 we want to build pipelines.
00:27:12.960 She sat down
00:27:13.560 with Scott Moe
00:27:14.180 from Saskatchewan,
00:27:14.940 they got together
00:27:15.680 the two caucuses
00:27:17.120 between the two provinces,
00:27:18.280 and Moe says,
00:27:19.000 we've got hundreds
00:27:19.580 of projects we want done,
00:27:21.920 and now Carney's in charge
00:27:22.960 of what gets picked
00:27:23.700 to get built
00:27:24.520 in this country,
00:27:25.200 and it just drives me crazy.
00:27:26.460 Bill C-5,
00:27:28.020 and I mean,
00:27:28.480 let's go back
00:27:29.240 to Mussolini,
00:27:30.660 okay,
00:27:31.320 and look at
00:27:31.840 stakeholder capitalism.
00:27:33.480 Effectively,
00:27:34.000 it's the same model
00:27:35.100 that Mussolini
00:27:35.880 was using in Italy
00:27:37.000 where you pick
00:27:37.880 and choose
00:27:38.320 all of your favorite
00:27:39.320 crony capitalists
00:27:40.820 to make the trains run,
00:27:42.900 build the factories,
00:27:43.900 whatever,
00:27:44.240 whatever,
00:27:44.660 right?
00:27:45.140 So,
00:27:45.580 you know,
00:27:45.800 the Italian word for it,
00:27:46.980 everybody together,
00:27:48.420 or fascisti,
00:27:49.620 which is from where
00:27:50.320 we get the word fascism.
00:27:51.960 So basically,
00:27:52.720 you know,
00:27:52.960 Carney's Bill C-5 model 0.75
00:27:54.600 where he gets
00:27:55.400 to pick and choose
00:27:56.160 which companies
00:27:56.860 are at the trough,
00:27:57.880 which ones get
00:27:58.540 the subsidies,
00:27:59.340 which ones are exempted
00:28:00.360 from Canadian law.
00:28:01.700 It's basically
00:28:02.460 Mussolini's program
00:28:03.820 for revitalizing
00:28:05.220 the economy of Italy
00:28:07.320 where Carney
00:28:08.240 has now made himself
00:28:09.560 the fascist dictator
00:28:11.080 of Canada.
00:28:12.240 You know,
00:28:12.600 no more,
00:28:13.160 no less.
00:28:14.400 Let me throw this at you.
00:28:15.420 Do you think you're being
00:28:16.200 overly hyperbolic
00:28:17.120 when you say something like that?
00:28:18.220 Let's play devil's advocate
00:28:19.560 here with you.
00:28:20.280 Well,
00:28:20.680 I've read history.
00:28:21.860 Why don't you go back
00:28:22.540 and read the history
00:28:23.200 about what was going on
00:28:24.240 in and around Mussolini
00:28:25.340 and,
00:28:26.180 you know,
00:28:26.420 the entire fascist
00:28:27.500 crony capitalist program.
00:28:29.020 Okay.
00:28:29.100 It's the same thing.
00:28:30.000 Hitler did the same thing. 0.94
00:28:31.100 And I'm not saying that,
00:28:31.900 you know,
00:28:32.300 Carney is Hitler 0.60
00:28:33.420 or Carney is Mussolini,
00:28:34.780 but I'm saying
00:28:35.480 his economic program,
00:28:37.100 you know,
00:28:37.500 very closely mirrors
00:28:38.840 the economic program
00:28:40.380 of Mussolini,
00:28:41.480 which literally
00:28:42.600 Mussolini called fascism.
00:28:45.540 Right?
00:28:45.840 You know,
00:28:46.220 and I mean,
00:28:46.560 you know,
00:28:46.820 and then,
00:28:47.220 you know,
00:28:47.440 Mark Carney's
00:28:48.140 World Economic Forum
00:28:49.240 buddy and mentor,
00:28:50.500 Klaus Schwab,
00:28:51.620 I mean,
00:28:51.940 his family money
00:28:52.860 came from running
00:28:53.940 slave labor camps 0.89
00:28:55.200 using Jewish slave labor 0.98
00:28:56.620 in Bavaria.
00:28:57.700 I'm not going to get sued
00:28:58.500 for saying that out loud.
00:28:59.540 It's just true.
00:29:01.100 Right?
00:29:01.440 So all of those people
00:29:03.280 are either,
00:29:04.080 you know,
00:29:04.280 they're either,
00:29:04.960 you know,
00:29:05.260 outright fascist
00:29:06.220 or they're fascist adjacent,
00:29:08.000 you know,
00:29:08.280 and they love
00:29:09.060 that kind of central control.
00:29:10.700 Carney said as much
00:29:11.500 in his book Values.
00:29:13.140 You know,
00:29:13.360 he doesn't want
00:29:13.960 a free market economy
00:29:15.120 where,
00:29:15.640 you know,
00:29:16.180 individuals compete
00:29:17.360 with one another
00:29:18.000 in an open and free market.
00:29:19.400 He wants an economy
00:29:20.500 where he gets to control
00:29:22.160 all of the mega projects
00:29:23.460 and make sure
00:29:24.360 all of the money
00:29:25.160 gets siphoned
00:29:26.080 into,
00:29:26.480 you know,
00:29:26.680 through Brookfield
00:29:27.440 into his offshore accounts
00:29:28.820 that none of us can see.
00:29:30.860 So I don't think
00:29:31.500 I'm being the least bit
00:29:32.420 hyperbolic.
00:29:32.960 Okay,
00:29:34.020 so this will be
00:29:35.660 the final one
00:29:36.300 in a rapid fire.
00:29:37.280 The independence movement
00:29:38.300 is being run
00:29:38.960 by grifters
00:29:39.680 and con artists
00:29:40.680 according to
00:29:41.640 Jason Kenney.
00:29:43.940 Are you a grifter
00:29:45.020 and a con artist,
00:29:46.260 Jeff?
00:29:46.460 I haven't been paid
00:29:48.080 a nickel for anything
00:29:49.060 I'm doing
00:29:49.560 on behalf of APP.
00:29:51.660 And if you want
00:29:52.240 to look at a grifter 1.00
00:29:53.060 or a con artist,
00:29:54.420 let's ask Jason Kenney
00:29:55.660 how he got his
00:29:56.280 multi-million dollar,
00:29:57.660 you know,
00:29:58.960 million dollar stipends
00:30:01.640 from all these
00:30:02.540 various corporations
00:30:03.520 on whose boards
00:30:04.380 of directors he sits
00:30:05.620 and ask him
00:30:06.620 why it was
00:30:07.320 after ATCO
00:30:08.460 where he sits
00:30:09.440 on the board
00:30:10.140 was fined
00:30:10.960 $35 million
00:30:12.140 for defrauding
00:30:13.480 Alberta power
00:30:14.340 consumers,
00:30:15.480 whether his reward
00:30:16.720 for not ordering
00:30:18.040 ATCO
00:30:18.600 to repay
00:30:19.420 all the consumers
00:30:20.360 in Alberta
00:30:20.960 that they defrauded
00:30:21.920 was a seat
00:30:23.000 on ATCO's
00:30:23.600 board of directors.
00:30:24.380 So, you know,
00:30:26.380 I mean,
00:30:26.820 you know,
00:30:27.460 yeah,
00:30:27.960 I mean,
00:30:28.260 my favorite one too
00:30:29.460 is when Jason Kenney
00:30:30.400 called me a quote-unquote
00:30:31.540 traitorous kook. 1.00
00:30:33.420 You know,
00:30:33.680 I mean,
00:30:33.980 I can get into
00:30:35.220 all of the kooky things
00:30:36.900 that Jason's done
00:30:37.800 over his career,
00:30:39.140 including locking
00:30:40.540 every Albertan
00:30:41.620 illegally in their homes
00:30:43.460 during COVID
00:30:44.180 for which we rightly
00:30:45.780 threw him out of office
00:30:46.860 onto his ass. 0.97
00:30:48.880 Okay.
00:30:49.100 You know,
00:30:49.360 so, yeah,
00:30:50.120 needless to say,
00:30:50.760 there's no love lost
00:30:51.700 between Jason and I.
00:30:53.040 I was involved in
00:30:53.660 getting him fired
00:30:54.780 and I was also involved
00:30:55.980 in getting a court order
00:30:57.420 that said
00:30:58.100 every single order
00:30:59.440 that was issued
00:31:00.640 under Dina Hinshaw's name 0.51
00:31:02.540 during COVID
00:31:03.200 was actually an order
00:31:04.740 issued by Jason Kenney,
00:31:06.540 you know,
00:31:06.940 deceptively put out
00:31:08.340 under the name
00:31:09.420 of Dina Hinshaw's
00:31:10.380 Chief Medical Officer
00:31:11.400 of Health.
00:31:12.020 So, you know,
00:31:12.820 if he wants to call us
00:31:13.700 grifters and con artists,
00:31:15.160 the biggest con ever
00:31:16.200 perpetrated against Albertans
00:31:17.860 was Jason Kenney
00:31:19.160 pretending that
00:31:20.160 every dictatorial order
00:31:21.640 that he issued
00:31:22.440 during COVID
00:31:23.140 was issued
00:31:23.960 by Dina Hinshaw,
00:31:25.260 our doctor,
00:31:26.620 right?
00:31:27.040 So, yeah,
00:31:28.000 Jason,
00:31:28.520 anything Jason Kenney
00:31:29.380 has to say to me,
00:31:30.160 it doesn't cut very deep.
00:31:31.460 Well, I love that you
00:31:32.260 don't,
00:31:32.700 I love that you
00:31:33.320 don't mince your words.
00:31:34.480 I'm looking forward
00:31:35.120 to meeting you
00:31:35.860 tomorrow night
00:31:36.740 or tonight,
00:31:37.420 I guess,
00:31:37.760 because people are
00:31:38.280 seeing this
00:31:38.600 on Thursday morning
00:31:39.280 or on July the 3rd,
00:31:41.080 if you're seeing it
00:31:41.740 after July the 3rd,
00:31:42.980 I'm looking forward
00:31:43.500 to meeting you.
00:31:44.380 What do you think,
00:31:45.540 what do you think,
00:31:46.060 just final question,
00:31:46.860 what do we have to do
00:31:47.920 to get over the top here
00:31:49.100 so this movement
00:31:50.240 is successful
00:31:51.060 and Alberta
00:31:51.740 gains its independence?
00:31:53.340 Well,
00:31:53.620 one of the big things,
00:31:54.700 I think,
00:31:55.020 and I think it's going
00:31:55.640 to be a game changer,
00:31:57.060 is once we release
00:31:58.340 the draft fiscal plan
00:32:00.800 for an independent Alberta,
00:32:02.540 you know,
00:32:02.820 I'm going to be asking
00:32:03.640 every podcaster,
00:32:05.100 everybody in media,
00:32:06.460 everybody that supports
00:32:07.460 our movement
00:32:08.000 to share that document
00:32:10.020 electronically
00:32:10.660 with as many people
00:32:12.720 as they possibly can.
00:32:14.200 Because I think,
00:32:14.940 as I said,
00:32:15.600 once you read the document
00:32:17.060 and you see the strength
00:32:18.200 of the numbers
00:32:18.860 in that document,
00:32:20.340 people will realize
00:32:21.500 and internalize
00:32:22.460 that it is a breach
00:32:23.620 of fiduciary duty
00:32:24.720 for any of our elected officials
00:32:26.620 not to pursue independence
00:32:28.060 on the strength
00:32:28.720 of those numbers.
00:32:29.480 Okay.
00:32:30.220 Well,
00:32:30.640 thank you so much
00:32:31.680 for doing this.
00:32:32.360 I do appreciate it.
00:32:33.160 I hope to have you back on
00:32:34.520 like I want to have
00:32:35.200 the other people
00:32:35.780 I've had on this channel
00:32:37.260 in the past
00:32:37.800 back on as well
00:32:38.600 because I want to see
00:32:39.360 this movement
00:32:39.940 get the success
00:32:41.280 I think it truly deserves
00:32:42.360 and I want Alberta
00:32:43.120 to get what it really wants.
00:32:45.440 I think a lot of keyboard warriors
00:32:48.360 out east
00:32:48.940 don't understand our province.
00:32:50.540 They don't get us.
00:32:51.360 I didn't know about it
00:32:52.440 until I moved out here
00:32:53.500 about 13 years ago
00:32:54.540 and I soon became
00:32:56.200 an independent-minded Albertan.
00:32:58.660 So I appreciate you being here.
00:33:00.040 Thanks so much.
00:33:00.380 No, I appreciate you too, John.
00:33:02.440 But I really do want to say
00:33:03.920 that we've been overwhelmed
00:33:05.960 by the support
00:33:07.760 that we've received
00:33:08.580 from Canadians
00:33:09.280 right across this country.
00:33:10.900 Yeah.
00:33:11.260 And I get calls every day
00:33:14.200 from people in Toronto,
00:33:15.760 Montreal,
00:33:16.440 the Barrett Times,
00:33:17.720 you know,
00:33:17.920 right across the West,
00:33:19.860 British Columbia,
00:33:20.900 you know,
00:33:21.060 saying,
00:33:21.760 God, keep it up.
00:33:22.580 Got to get Alberta 0.93
00:33:23.280 out of Canada.
00:33:23.980 You're the only hope
00:33:25.140 to save Canada.
00:33:27.140 You know,
00:33:27.320 I mean,
00:33:27.540 they literally see,
00:33:28.320 you know,
00:33:28.460 getting Alberta
00:33:29.040 out of Canada
00:33:29.840 and forcing a reopening
00:33:31.940 of the Canadian Constitution
00:33:33.480 and forcing people
00:33:35.140 to reimagine
00:33:35.980 the way in which
00:33:36.740 they're governed,
00:33:37.700 you know,
00:33:38.060 is the only hope
00:33:38.960 for this country.
00:33:40.400 Jeff, thanks so much.
00:33:41.260 My cat's going crazy here.
00:33:42.700 He wants to go outside.
00:33:44.200 You have a great day,
00:33:45.460 a safe drive out there.
00:33:46.400 And I'd like to thank
00:33:47.040 everybody for watching.
00:33:48.620 Be sure to share this video.
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00:33:53.880 ring the bell for notifications,
00:33:55.000 and I'll see you
00:33:55.880 in the next one.
00:33:57.420 Thank you, John.
00:33:58.060 Real pleasure.