John Bolton - The BIG blue mug meets the Unacceptable Fringe - Carney, Poilievre, Smith, Alberta independence +

00:00:00.000 Hi, it's John and welcome to the channel. It is Friday, July the 18th. I hope you're having a

00:00:10.360 great start to your Friday. I've got my big blue mug of coffee, which disappears. Isn't that cool?

00:00:16.300 Disappears when I bring it on screen. Hope you're having a great start to your Friday today. And I

00:00:22.040 am recording this on Thursday. I don't ask any guests I have on my channel to get up real early

00:00:26.540 in the morning to record video. So it is Thursday when I'm doing this and I've, I've made it quite

00:00:31.940 clear. I'm very, very appreciative of what, of what a lot of independent media do on YouTube.

00:00:37.780 The people who consider themselves YouTube and are having dialogue and discussion about Canadian

00:00:44.100 politics that aren't part of the legacy media. I appreciate what they do. I wish I could have done

00:00:49.760 it when I was a broadcaster, when I started in the mid eighties. And certainly I would be doing that

00:00:54.940 full-time as opposed to being on a radio station. I certainly could reach a lot more people and

00:00:59.940 probably make a lot more money doing it. And I watch a lot of people on here who have different

00:01:05.340 points of view. And one of the ones I watch on a regular basis is a fellow Albertan. I think he

00:01:10.800 lived in Calgary at one time. I believe he lives just west of Edmonton these days. He talks about

00:01:17.800 Canadian politics, Alberta politics. He talks about municipal politics as well. He talks about the

00:01:22.800 independence movement here in Alberta and has a very keen political mind. As far as I'm concerned,

00:01:27.700 one of the best at what he does on a regular basis, on a daily basis. He's a seven time best

00:01:33.460 selling author. He's a full-time father, a YouTube creator. His name is Derek Smith, but you know him

00:01:39.960 as the unacceptable fringe. I guess I'm joining the fringe today, Derek. Thank you for joining me on

00:01:45.360 the channel. I appreciate you being here today. Thanks John for having me on the channel. It's good to be

00:01:50.860 here. Well, it is really a pleasure. And I believe you live west of Edmonton now. Is that correct?

00:01:56.620 I think you've mentioned, is it Spruce Grove you live in? Yeah, my wife and I, we've known each

00:02:01.560 other since high school. We actually grew up together in Calgary. I lived there for 30 years,

00:02:06.260 but we needed to expand our family and Spruce Grove, smaller town life just seemed to be the

00:02:11.300 place for us. So we headed up north, northwest, I guess you could say. Yeah, well, you know, I introduced

00:02:16.360 you as a seven time bestselling author, full-time father and YouTube creator. It's a lot of hats

00:02:21.800 to have. I mean, certainly the full-time father thing, but I'm a great admirer of you and of what

00:02:26.700 you do on YouTube. I'm really amazed at the independent creators these days. It's just amazing

00:02:35.120 to me. Let me just tell you something. There's a little bit of, this is remarkable to think. I was

00:02:39.540 in radio broadcasting, Derek, for 35 years. And in March, I had more people watch me on YouTube

00:02:47.400 than would have watched me or heard me in 35 years on the radio. By a long shot. It's funny you say

00:02:52.920 that. By a long shot. It seems to be the soapbox platform these days for those who want to get their

00:02:58.720 voice heard if they're consistent, if they've got the right formula. It's, it's social media is really

00:03:05.660 an amazing tool that, you know, 20 years ago, if people wanted to start out and be seen or be heard,

00:03:12.220 um, it couldn't happen. You know, it's how, how would you get the word out aside from a friend of

00:03:18.640 a friend of a friend? Um, social media has bloomed into, uh, almost a juggernaut that just overtook

00:03:26.660 media that overtook television that like the, the reason you see all these streaming services now,

00:03:32.260 the reason you see, um, radios struggling to find sponsors to continue their typical broadcast

00:03:39.940 format is that people have moved on to another medium and this seems to be it. I, I often get

00:03:45.200 asked, you know, why don't you go to this platform? Why don't you do that? I would say, well, those

00:03:48.660 things are all fine and dandy, but this is where the eyeballs seem to be these days. So this is where

00:03:54.180 we make our stake. You know, I, um, I certainly, if, you know, I started in the mid eighties, um,

00:04:00.100 in radio broadcasting. And if I were starting today, I, I would not be in legacy media. I,

00:04:06.140 I look at Jasmine Lane. I think she made her, um, her story quite public, but she lost her job and 0.98

00:04:13.140 radio was devastated. And now she's doing far better just doing YouTube. So good for her.

00:04:17.460 Absolutely.

00:04:17.760 The other people I follow as well, like Moose on the Loose. I'm just stunned at how amazing

00:04:21.460 people like yourself. And, and they're, they're just doing incredible things. I just can't believe

00:04:27.420 the amount of information I get. Now I, I wanted to talk to you about this later. I want to get to

00:04:31.960 federal politics. I want to get to provincial politics. We're talking about pure poly a little

00:04:36.040 bit, Mark Carney and whatnot, but we did start off this way. I've heard you say in your channel that

00:04:40.680 you're concerned about censorship. You're concerned about your voice being silenced. Are you still

00:04:45.940 feeling that way? And are you, are you waiting for the ax to fall with the Carney government?

00:04:49.220 You know, it's not just my voice. I'm concerned about everybody's voice falling. Essentially.

00:04:53.600 When you look at the censorship laws that Mark Carney is pushing forward, it's not just YouTube. It's,

00:04:59.960 uh, the way that it's constructed and you can always tell when liberals are lying because they're

00:05:05.340 moving their mouths or typically any politician for that matter. Um, they, they constantly use the

00:05:12.220 words that, Oh, this isn't what you think it is, or it's not going to be used the way that people

00:05:16.460 are saying it's going to be used. Um, it's drawn up in a way that states, well, we don't want online

00:05:22.200 hate. We don't want people, uh, being berated online or harassed. And I do agree that social

00:05:28.040 media is a bit of the wild west when it comes to what they put up with. And again, I see kids go

00:05:33.140 through it, especially my kids. Um, you see what adolescents go through on social media. And I agree

00:05:37.600 that that end of, um, abuse shouldn't be tolerated. God only knows go into anybody's YouTube comment

00:05:44.440 section. I'm sure you'll see plenty of abuse, but, but what the government essentially has lined up is

00:05:49.480 ways to say you can't criticize the government via the rules that we're bringing in. And I think that

00:05:56.660 free speech goes so far. Um, and a lot of people have a misunderstanding of what free speech means.

00:06:02.460 Can you attack and berate somebody? No, but you should have a voice to criticize those that you're

00:06:08.700 giving a mandate to those that are in power. I think, you know, I think I'm kind of an absolutist

00:06:14.320 this way, other than, than calling for violence against somebody, you should be able to say anything

00:06:17.980 because I think that speech is a great way to, um, to expose people. I mean, people, people, people

00:06:26.180 who are hateful, you don't want them hiding like cockroaches in the dark. You'd rather them speak out 0.86

00:06:29.720 front. And then you, you speak and then you know where they are and you can find them speaking the

00:06:33.640 truth. There's nothing wrong with that. But as long as you're not calling for violence, I often say

00:06:37.420 that, you know, liberals, you can't spell liberal without L I and E, but they cloak up their censorship

00:06:42.940 and we're protecting children. And then if you vote against it, you're not for protecting children,

00:06:48.160 but they're hiding the other stuff in behind. If you say something or somebody perceives, you might

00:06:52.980 say something in the future. It's that Orwellian. Now, if you say something, somebody thinks you might

00:06:58.700 say something in the future, you can end up going to jail for God's sakes or having an ankle bracelet

00:07:03.920 or, you know, or getting fined. It's just stuns me that that's where we are in this country now.

00:07:08.800 Well, it's funny you mentioned it like that because one of the things I meant to bring up in, in my last

00:07:13.820 point was, you know, when you look at what you mentioned with YouTube, the internet, how people are

00:07:18.940 able to gain a platform these days, I think a lot of this stems from situations like the Freedom Convoy.

00:07:24.500 They, you see a grassroots movement that, you know, got together through online, uh, methods,

00:07:30.080 uh, became the size that it was. And then all of a sudden they get to Ottawa and the government

00:07:35.260 that called them a small fringe minority on the way up thinking this is nothing saw the line of

00:07:40.460 trucks pour in and just how effective, uh, social media can be, especially when it came to crowdfunding,

00:07:47.540 when it came to raising, uh, the millions of dollars that are now sitting in escrow.

00:07:51.680 So, um, I think what the government is doing now is saying, okay, people are able to, uh,

00:07:57.940 band together. They're able to form underneath social media. So we need to get a cap on that.

00:08:03.960 Uh, so that again, if you speak out about the government, well, we'll freeze your bank accounts.

00:08:07.140 We'll lock you down. Uh, we can send you to jail. We can shut you up. We don't want pressure from

00:08:13.840 those who disagree with us. And that essentially in any country is where I'd have any problem, not just in

00:08:19.040 Canada. Yeah. The, uh, the misinformation that the government talks so much, uh, it continues to spread

00:08:24.400 out there. I saw somebody this morning talking about Polyev who just gets hammered on X in social

00:08:30.320 media these days. I don't know why the left hates him so much, but saying pure Polyev supported the 0.72

00:08:35.040 convoy that wanted to overthrow the government of Canada. And this is the kind, the kind of stuff you

00:08:40.260 hear all the time. Um, and, and regarding the, regarding the convoy, I mean, it's just a lot

00:08:45.680 of people who wanted their rights, um, that are written down in the charter of rights and freedoms,

00:08:50.380 uh, to, to just go to work during COVID. That's what it was really about. And it was one of the

00:08:57.860 most amazing things that went worldwide in the country, but the government had to shut up these

00:09:02.640 people and it all could have ended if, if Trudeau would have just spoken to Tamara Leach and sat down

00:09:08.980 with her and it would have ended, but they now use it against the right. Right. Nobody spoke to them

00:09:16.260 is the problem. Right. So that's, and that shows you that anytime the government wants to say, well,

00:09:21.280 it was an attack on Ottawa, you know, you had all these trucks on the government's front lawn. Uh, all

00:09:26.380 you had to do was go outside and hear what your citizens had to say. They would have left. And, and

00:09:32.160 again, uh, shame on the government. I mean, it all falls back to them and that's what people should be

00:09:38.360 focusing on is not, well, we agree or disagree with the beliefs of the convoy. The question

00:09:42.800 is you still haven't answered it or addressed it. Why didn't you sit down with those who were willing

00:09:48.960 to talk with you? Never let a good crisis go to waste. Right. And that's never, they've been using

00:09:53.980 it ever since. And we're, and, and of course the lawfare against the people involved continues to this

00:09:58.980 day. You know, when it comes to Pierre Paul, if you get the unhinged hatred for him online, because it

00:10:05.720 is unbelievable now that he's running in, um, here in Alberta in a by-election, not too long

00:10:11.840 from now, do you, do you get why they hate him so much? You know, uh, I will say that after the

00:10:16.840 election, there was almost like this falling out. And I think it started with juggernauts,

00:10:22.480 like the pleb who were following Pierre around the country, um, really getting people hyped and 0.73

00:10:28.200 saying, look, we've got it. It's coming, uh, new, new leadership. Um, I think there, that it

00:10:33.720 wasn't really necessarily on Polyev. I think that people just felt hope was gone. You know,

00:10:39.440 people thought this is going to be a change of government. Um, he had such momentum that I think

00:10:45.420 it was the blowback of reality that, Hey, are we ever going to have a change of government? Are we

00:10:50.840 ever going to be in control? I think that when you look at Albertans right now that pushed the blowback

00:10:55.760 on Pierre, it's because they're frustrated. A lot of Albertans didn't want to talk about things like

00:11:02.600 independence, but now they're hosting those topics simply because they feel trapped. They feel that,

00:11:08.660 look, a small percentage of the, or a small portion of land in the country decides who's in power.

00:11:14.260 Quebec has their boot on our neck when it comes to transfer payments, when it comes to

00:11:18.000 how we're treated. Um, so, so they're asking Pierre and, and I've asked the question to much

00:11:23.340 scrutiny, even if you were to become prime minister at this point, when we see what's happening

00:11:27.880 with Alberta independence, when we look at the value of freedom, when we look at everything else,

00:11:32.080 what deal could we possibly get from the federal government that would be better than Alberta

00:11:37.660 independence? And they've opened the doors to that. Um, I will scrutinize that Pierre did play

00:11:43.760 it a little safe. I feel personally, um, that, you know, one thing a lot of people tend to bring up is

00:11:49.860 that he had a massive lead over Justin Trudeau. Um, and, and he focused during the federal election on

00:11:57.340 Donald Trump rather than immigration, rather than major issues that Canadians were concerned about.

00:12:03.320 And I do understand in the same light before, you know, anybody in your audience wants to get upset.

00:12:08.260 Um, the problem is again, our federal elections, it's the, the vote, the per capita vote. It's we need

00:12:16.620 electoral reform. The votes in Alberta have no stake in the game. Pierre has to balance his platform

00:12:24.340 on Torontonians on Southern Ontario voters on Quebec. And as long as he has to focus his campaigns

00:12:31.420 around that, you're going to see these quote unquote, woke issues be at the center of every

00:12:37.100 election until the liberal government decides, here's the new hot topic. We're going to pivot.

00:12:41.960 Do you, do you think he's going to win his riding? I, I think he'll win. It's a very, um,

00:12:47.640 safe conservative riding. Do you think he'll survive a leadership, uh, review, which is coming

00:12:52.960 up in January? Do you think he can gain enough votes to win an election in the future? I think

00:12:57.720 it was bad timing. I mean, it's just awful timing for him. I mean, if you look at the beginning of

00:13:02.220 January, uh, this was a super majority conservative government and it just went poof like a fart in the

00:13:08.120 wind. I think, um, I think he will win. Uh, I, I don't see any reason why not. Um, again,

00:13:15.260 it is a strong conservative writing. However, uh, what shocks me and again, to the disdain of people

00:13:20.920 that kind of just died out on the flame of Pierre after the election is just how quickly that writing

00:13:26.460 has said, uh, they're not happy with what Damien Keurig did. And again, I'm hearing a lot of it

00:13:30.780 because I'm close to that writing. Um, and there's a lot of locals talking about it and, and it's, um,

00:13:36.200 people that I know that live in that writing have said, I just feel that, you know, with Damien

00:13:40.600 Keurig, we had representation. We had somebody whose office I could call. And if I had

00:13:44.920 problems, they'd pick up the phone. Once Pierre gets elected, he goes back to Ottawa and it's the

00:13:50.180 same situation as Carlton, where maybe he doesn't put boots on the ground in a while and we don't

00:13:54.240 hear from him. Where's our representation and our writing. So there are people with valid concerns.

00:14:00.920 Um, but at the same time, I think the support for Pierre is still quite strong. It is a very

00:14:06.800 conservative focused writing that I think Pierre will probably end up around 60% of the vote.

00:14:14.240 Uh, that's my prediction, but even if they get 60% of the vote for his party, I would take

00:14:21.400 that as a fail. I would take that as a wake up call because again, you're running in Alberta

00:14:25.180 of all places. If you can't get 70, 80, 85% of the vote, take it as a fail and really start

00:14:31.460 to analyze. Okay. So it's not just Carlton. It's not just Ontario and, you know, writing,

00:14:37.100 switching, uh, with more, you know, government workers in it. People are generally upset.

00:14:41.800 What do we have to do moving forward to gain the trust back of Canadians to get

00:14:46.280 more support from those who have turned away? Um, again, his people are really smart. I think that

00:14:52.720 they've got this, but, um, and I've often said, I think Pierre's still the best person for the job.

00:14:58.280 So I hope it all goes through, but I always say it's never over until election day. So we'll see

00:15:03.400 what happens. I've said he could be the greatest prime minister that never was our prime minister

00:15:08.520 that never happened. Absolutely. I met him. I know, I know you've met him many times. I'm sure

00:15:14.320 I met him for the first time. Um, Guy Lauzon, he was the, um, MP for Stormont Dundas and Glengarry,

00:15:21.680 which covered Cornwall, Ontario and Eastern Ontario. He passed away recently, Guy. Uh,

00:15:26.120 Eric Duncan replaced him, um, and is an MP right now, conservative. And, um, Guy was in town

00:15:32.600 to do a speech, I think at the chamber of commerce at the time. And it was a few years after, um,

00:15:38.240 Pauliev was elected for the first time because Guy was elected for the first time around the same time

00:15:42.380 as Pauliev, I think 2004, right around there. And he introduced me to Pauliev and said, John,

00:15:46.420 I'd like to introduce you to a future prime minister of the country. And I thought for sure

00:15:51.700 it was going to happen in this election and hasn't happened. Then again, he could be one of the

00:15:55.400 greatest comebacks in history. Do you think that the liberal voters who are so invested in Mark

00:16:00.740 Carney at this point are going to catch on to what's going on or are they just so brainwashed into

00:16:07.860 this, this elbows up thing that we've been hearing about for months? I don't even think it's just that

00:16:13.600 crowd. I think it's a bigger problem. I think that you have Titans in business, you have those of

00:16:17.860 influence. Um, they don't like Pierre's platform of cutting government spending. Um, you think about

00:16:25.260 defunding the CBC, all the things Pierre was talking about was bad for shareholders in, in some

00:16:30.940 degree. Um, so I think that, you know, I agree he could be the greatest prime minister that never

00:16:37.480 was. And it's funny because, you know, when he reached out to me recently to talk about, you know,

00:16:42.360 support that was given during the federal election, um, what his plans are for the future.

00:16:46.740 You know, I told him on the phone, I said, I don't see Mark Carney as the prime minister of Canada.

00:16:51.180 I said, you're my prime minister, whether you're in that office or not, you know, I, I voted for you.

00:16:57.140 Uh, I think that you've still got what it takes and now's the time to really look at what needs to

00:17:04.980 be done to get into that seat. Now, albeit, you know, like you said, the liberal voters tend to

00:17:11.200 really control what happens in our elections. So I, I, I, I really don't envy Pierre one bit to try

00:17:18.540 and have to analyze and figure out how do I win them over, um, to the point where we can actually

00:17:23.520 get into office. But, uh, I mean, your guess is as good as mine. That's why, again, I, I stay

00:17:28.620 clearly away from that argument because if, if I were Pierre and they said, what are we going to do?

00:17:32.600 So I'd say, I don't know.

00:17:35.000 Yeah.

00:17:35.320 Well, I, I, I've thought about him quite a bit. I, I went to, um, Spruce Meadows when he was, um,

00:17:42.680 when he's running for the leadership. I saw him, I saw him when he was in town just prior to the

00:17:47.320 election. I went out to the airport to see that, which was just astounding. And then he lost.

00:17:51.440 And I was thinking, what is this guy thinking? I mean, you've got to have, pardon the expression,

00:17:56.020 but balls of steel to walk out in front of the media and have to stare down the media after you got

00:18:01.100 beaten when you were expected to win just five months ago, just, and a huge win just five months

00:18:05.800 ago.

00:18:06.420 Well, and I think that was the disappointment of people was that you saw such a gain, but

00:18:10.400 what a lot of people tend to forget with that gain is that was a gain under Justin Trudeau.

00:18:15.140 Uh, people looked at Mark Carney coming in and for liberals, that was enough. Uh, if you watch

00:18:21.080 Rebel News' coverage when they went through Nepean and were talking to a number of people, uh, about

00:18:26.720 what was going on and the articles coming out saying that Mark Carney's folks and the liberals

00:18:30.540 had already strategized to use Donald Trump as the, uh, the talking points of the election

00:18:35.920 in advance, they had a clear strategy. A lot of people in Ontario and across Canada have

00:18:41.500 what's referred to as Trump derangement syndrome. It's an easy win if you can keep people focused

00:18:46.260 on the bad guy. And what I often say is that, uh, the American president really doesn't have

00:18:54.080 a lot of influence as to what happens in Canada. What people should have focused on was policy,

00:19:00.260 policy, policy. And instead we got wrapped into American politics for a month and it cost

00:19:06.080 Pierre the election.

00:19:08.040 So what about Mark Carney? What, what do you expect from him? I, I mean, I've been saying

00:19:13.760 since the beginning of the year, and I knew about him years ago, certainly he was announced,

00:19:17.660 I think about last September as an economic advisor sort of for, for Trudeau at that point,

00:19:23.540 but he'd been around for about five years at that point. I knew his, his background with

00:19:28.280 the bank of England, bank of Canada, of course, and things like that. I knew he was a net zero

00:19:32.020 guy and I still haven't, I, I think he's there, the net zero guy, but I don't think that's really

00:19:37.780 been unleashed on the Canadian public as much as we've thought he's keeping EV mandates.

00:19:42.320 He's keeping, uh, carbon taxes on industrial. Um, he's still about net zero. What do you expect

00:19:49.640 from him? I don't think he's for pipelines either. And I don't think it's going to be

00:19:53.020 good for Alberta.

00:19:54.700 Well, it's never going to be good for Alberta. In fact, what I think is that when you look

00:19:58.280 at the deficit, Mark Carney has been entertaining.

00:20:01.340 92 billion this year.

00:20:02.880 Yeah.

00:20:03.040 Yeah. So one thing that I've entertained on my channel is you look at the only province

00:20:05.980 that's posted a surplus this year is Alberta. Uh, that worries me when you think back to the

00:20:11.320 eighties in the national energy program, that we could see something similar, um, coming to Alberta

00:20:16.980 where, you know, Hey, we got to make up those deficits. Let's just tax, uh, oil and gas a little

00:20:21.640 bit further. The problem with that is that it's only going to push independence further at that

00:20:26.140 point. I think another national energy program would cripple, um, the thought of staying a part

00:20:31.460 of Canada. But that being said, what I would expect from Mark Carney is exactly what he outlines

00:20:36.600 in his book values. Uh, if, uh, anybody hasn't read it yet, I would highly recommend going to

00:20:41.400 check it out. Don't buy it. Go to a library. Uh, no sense in giving Mark any more money.

00:20:46.700 Uh, but, but, um, you know, I go back always to the, uh, warning, uh, issued on Donald Trump's

00:20:53.620 inauguration day by former PM Liz trust who said, you know, he bankrupted the bank of England.

00:20:58.580 He's going to do the same thing in Canada. Uh, this is the pattern with Mark Carney to

00:21:03.540 quote Kevin O'Leary, uh, follow the money. Anytime you look at the policies that Mark

00:21:08.520 Carney is putting in place, when you look at his conflicts of interest, when you look

00:21:12.400 at the typical liberal behavior of padding the pockets of friends, Mark Carney sat in an

00:21:17.200 interview several months before the election and said that while he was advising Trudeau pro

00:21:21.680 bono, uh, he understands that the advisements he gives pushes profits for shareholders and

00:21:27.980 policy pushes profits. This is what you're going to see moving forward is Mark Carney

00:21:32.620 looking at how do we get rich and then get out. It's, it's anybody who thinks Mark

00:21:37.980 Carney's here to help Canadians is completely off base. Uh, they need to follow the money

00:21:43.140 again, like you mentioned earlier, David Moose on the loose. He has done an unbelievable

00:21:47.840 job following Mark's investments. The graph and chart he's got is just astounding.

00:21:54.400 And, and it's like the spider's web of, of connections, even to, um, Jared Kushner, um,

00:22:00.820 Donald Trump's son-in-law, Donald Trump himself. It's just remarkable. And again,

00:22:05.580 what's funny is you see David doing that and he doesn't get the budget of the CBC or any

00:22:11.440 of those investigated journalists. So, so when you hear about the millions of dollars going

00:22:15.080 out to the CBC, that should be a definite red flag for anybody to say, well, this guy can

00:22:19.780 do it on a shoestring budget. How come we're paying millions of dollars for the CBC to

00:22:23.460 give us propaganda? I watch on a daily basis and you're probably one of them. Um, people

00:22:28.620 who get more hits and more views than the CBC. And the CBC was already gloating that they

00:22:35.520 took down real talk politics over that just after the election that, oh, they got more

00:22:39.600 views than us. So let's, you know, send a nice little email to YouTube or Google and

00:22:43.860 see what they can do to have that removed. Um, now, whether that had the influence or not

00:22:48.460 is not for me to say, but the fact that their article came out to be gloating, uh,

00:22:53.500 definitely didn't help their case.

00:22:55.780 I think, you know, the CBC thing, I remember when he was here, um, I think he

00:23:00.580 said it at Spruce Meadows. He certainly said it when he was at the airport, defund the CBC.

00:23:05.220 I think that hurt. I, I don't like that. They're actually even funding the, the legacy media,

00:23:11.000 the, the, I guess, not the public media, the private media. I mean, I used to work in it and

00:23:14.740 you, you can't have credibility if the government is paying you and the only way you keep your

00:23:19.680 jobs. I just, I just, I hate that. I just hate it. And again, people on YouTube are doing better

00:23:25.540 than CBC and doing better work as well. And I, again, Moose on the Loose is, is pretty

00:23:30.300 remarkable. And Jasmine Lane and yourself as well. So we've got no deal when it comes to

00:23:37.920 Donald Trump. Um, did I, I, I did a video this morning and I don't think Carney ever expected

00:23:44.060 to get a deal with Donald Trump. How are you feeling about that right now? There's the tariffs

00:23:47.900 are still in, although I said an article today, I think it popped up on the national post for a few

00:23:51.320 minutes that talks might be back on again. I don't know. Well, the, if the talks are back on,

00:23:56.560 it's because Donald knows what he's getting. And, and that's the thing that a lot of people

00:24:00.140 need to look at when, when watching Carney and Trump, um, whether you look at Moose's

00:24:04.700 connections to Trump and Kushner and everything else, it's completely irrelevant. Um, what,

00:24:09.700 what you have to look at and what I've noticed after, you know, 20 plus years of working in the

00:24:13.760 business field and sitting in negotiations with larger companies is just, you, you, you read

00:24:19.240 Donald Trump's art of the deal. And this is exactly where Mark Carney and Justin Trudeau, as

00:24:24.180 well as other liberal delegates have failed when it comes to sitting at the table with Donald

00:24:28.300 Trump, they've shown their cards. They've always folded. Um, it goes back as far as Trudeau going

00:24:33.860 to Mar-a-Lago and Trump asking what would happen if we cut ties with Canada, um, in terms of the

00:24:38.860 spend, the, the finances that we give in Trudeau says, well, we'd fold. You just put your cards on

00:24:43.480 the table to say, we have nothing to negotiate with. Uh, he goes back and sends Jolie and, uh,

00:24:48.660 others down to deal with Donald Trump. And they start saying, well, look, we want to talk about,

00:24:52.680 you know, dairy cartels. We want to talk about, um, lumber and we want to talk about other,

00:24:57.720 um, you know, industries that we can benefit with Canada. And Trump already knows they don't have

00:25:02.740 any power at the table. Mark Carney goes down there and he says, well, we're going to bring

00:25:06.420 in the digital services tax. We're going to bring in all these other things. Trump says more sweeping

00:25:10.620 tariffs. Uh, Trump or Carney folds. Yeah. As soon as Carney folds, well, then Trump knows all I have to do

00:25:17.040 is threaten tariffs and I get what I want. So if negotiations are back on, it just means more bad

00:25:22.780 news for Canada. I say what Mark Carney should do at this point, if I were Mark Carney, and of course,

00:25:28.420 um, not that it's good is take the tariffs, find a way to get around them in terms of, uh, rebuilding

00:25:33.900 Canada's wealth and stop negotiating. Every time he goes to the table, it's just showing Donald,

00:25:40.840 we'll come right back and you can keep abusing us as long as you want to.

00:25:44.220 Well, let me ask you about that. Uh, let's, let's pivot over to Alberta now. Uh, Daniel Smith,

00:25:48.680 certainly, I guess it was early December, probably around December 10th when Trudeau sat down with

00:25:53.700 the premiers, except for Daniel Smith. I believe she was in, she was in Washington at the time.

00:25:58.540 I think right around that time, um, trying to be diplomatic, um, get some tariffs dropped. I believe

00:26:03.500 she got tariffs dropped on oil down to 10% as opposed to 25%. I can't recall if that's still in place,

00:26:09.060 but perhaps, um, Daniel Smith, what do you make of her right now? Certainly she's made it easier for

00:26:13.920 the independence movement with this vote. I think she's well liked in the province. I think she's

00:26:18.360 the toughest, um, politician in the whole country. Um, where do you think she stands on this? She's 1.00

00:26:24.140 made demands of Mark Carney, nine different things, including bill C 69, the pipelines law C 48, the

00:26:29.480 tanker ban. How do you think she plays into this? Are we going to get a pipeline because Danielle Smith 1.00

00:26:35.340 is demanding it, or is this a power play by her? There's a lot there. Maybe you can unpack it.

00:26:39.360 Um, I think if we're going to get a pipeline, it's going to be strictly to benefit the government.

00:26:43.500 Again, nothing is to benefit Albertans. Um, when I refer back to what I say about, you know,

00:26:48.180 my fears of a possible national energy program 2.0, I think that's the only way we would see

00:26:53.660 a pipeline coming into Alberta. Um, the, the problem with Danielle's demands and somebody brought it up

00:26:59.440 at the Alberta next panel, uh, in red deer, um, was that until Danielle puts her feet in the ground 0.98

00:27:07.460 against Ottawa and says enough is enough. Um, she doesn't necessarily have to stoke the flames of

00:27:13.720 independence, but she has to state a very clear threat that Alberta can leave that, that enough 1.00

00:27:21.760 is enough that her constituents have had enough, not necessarily her. She's willing to negotiate. 0.86

00:27:26.960 Um, you're never going to have a premier who's going to outright flip and say, okay, independence all

00:27:32.180 the way, unless she's given that mandate. And she's stated very frankly, that if a citizen led initiative

00:27:37.360 pushes for independence, she will back what her constituents ask. Um, which I give her a lot

00:27:42.660 of credit for. I do think Danielle is the greatest premier that this province has had since Ralph

00:27:47.840 Klein. I think that she's doing tremendous strides in terms of representation. Again,

00:27:53.260 anybody who wants to argue, oh, Danielle's a fed, she's not helping us. I always say,

00:27:57.300 she's a traitor. Tell me another premier that works as hard as she does. And that's willing to 1.00

00:28:02.320 actually stand up for what her citizens need. I think she's doing a tremendous job. She's always got my

00:28:07.200 vote for as long as she continues on the path that she is. Um, I, I think that, um, you know,

00:28:14.240 she cares about Albertans and it's the same feeling I get with Pierre Polyev and I've spoken to both of

00:28:19.120 them personally. And I, I, they're good people when they're off camera and they generally care about,

00:28:26.160 um, who they represent. And, and I think that, uh, when you have somebody like Danielle faced with the

00:28:32.500 decisions that she has to make, um, of course she wants diplomacy. Of course she wants, you know, 0.96

00:28:37.800 Canada to remain Canada who doesn't, none of us want to leave. Um, and I've often argued that when you talk

00:28:44.560 about independence, people aren't spitting on a flag. They're not leaving Canada. They're leaving their

00:28:49.180 federal government. They're leaving the abuse. Uh, how, how long are we supposed to take it for? I think Danielle poses the 0.89

00:28:56.100 same kind of initiative when she says, look, I'm going to continue to negotiate for a fair and free

00:29:01.360 Canada, but if we don't get it, there's other options on the table. Um, I commend her for that.

00:29:07.040 And I do agree with her being in the United States trying to negotiate deals because it's not about the 0.97

00:29:12.540 drama. It's not about Trump versus Carney or any of that. It's about what's going to hurt people's

00:29:18.420 bottom dollar and whether tariffs come in or not, tariffs don't just hurt Canadians. They're going to hurt

00:29:22.760 American jobs as well. So Danielle, of course, taking the diplomacy route, I commend her for 0.67

00:29:27.380 that. I think she's doing a fantastic job. Are Albertans pissed off enough to vote for

00:29:32.000 independence? Are there enough of them? I think so. I, well, so I think what it's really going to

00:29:39.060 come down to is, uh, nostalgia for some people. Again, I think a lot of people hold on to what

00:29:45.400 Canada used to be. I call it patriotism. I've met patriotism. It's a hard thing to fight against,

00:29:50.680 Derek. Patriotism. I'm a Canadian. I have that identity. I wrap myself in the flag.

00:29:55.420 I mean, I used to have it as well. I got a tattoo that's got a maple leaf on it.

00:29:59.620 I'm going to get it covered with the Alberta flag. Now I've changed my mind, but patriotism

00:30:03.740 is hard to fight against, isn't it? It's, it's, it's funny because, you know, I was actually

00:30:08.980 speaking with a neighbor about it the other day because they found out who I am and, and asked

00:30:13.100 about my, my views. And, um, I said, look, what it, what it boils down to for me and what I think

00:30:18.420 it's going to boil down to for a lot of Albertans that are still on the fence. Um, and this is one

00:30:22.540 of the reasons I'm glad that the value of freedom was, was published. Um, people started saying,

00:30:26.880 well, what do we gain? What do we, uh, yeah, there it is there. It's here, but it's getting

00:30:32.080 hidden. It's there, but it's getting blocked out. Anyway, it's an amazing, incredible document and

00:30:38.000 it's very, very good, uh, in terms of the figures and how accurate it is. Um, I think for a lot of

00:30:44.420 Albertans, when they start to see what they have to gain, it's not a matter of patriotism anymore.

00:30:48.660 It's a matter of what's the best future for other generations. What, uh, the question I often ask

00:30:55.540 with three kids in my house is when are they ever going to be able to afford a home? When are they

00:30:59.720 ever going to be able to, uh, get a good well-paying job that they're not competing with, uh, millions of

00:31:06.120 migrants coming over to work for less? It's, it's, we need a fair shake and the federal government

00:31:13.040 doesn't want to give it to us. If we have an out as much as I don't want to take that out,

00:31:18.400 I think it's the best thing in terms of prosperity and it's going to come down to

00:31:23.760 patriotism versus prosperity. I think in the long run, um, for anybody who's struggling to pay their

00:31:29.680 rent, buy a home, pay their mortgage, uh, put food on the table, pay high utility bills. I think those

00:31:35.760 things are going to have a huge effect on how someone thinks going to a vote. I think that

00:31:43.120 you're going to have those who qualify to vote, who've maybe only been in Alberta or been in Canada

00:31:47.200 for so long that they have a love for a country that gave them a new opportunity, um, that you may

00:31:52.960 see people pull back. Um, again, I always say it's down to voting day, election day. I think there's a

00:32:00.640 strong enough push and you can see that at the APP meetings. You can see that now at the Alberta Next

00:32:06.320 panels, uh, Red Deer was packed to the brim. Yeah. Uh, as soon as, as soon as Jeff Rath spoke up,

00:32:11.840 people were applauding. Uh, the guy who said, we got to go to Ottawa and tell them enough is enough.

00:32:16.080 People were astoundingly applauding on that one. Watch your video this morning. I watched it. Yeah,

00:32:20.880 absolutely. It's amazing, isn't it? I think you've got a lot of support that, you know, I, 10 years ago,

00:32:26.720 if you talked about Alberta leaving, you might get one or two people going, yeah, yeah, it might be a

00:32:31.120 good idea. Whereas nowadays I hear it everywhere. I haven't heard a single person tell me they want

00:32:38.000 to stay. Uh, again, I'm in a more conservative area, so I would expect to hear that. Uh, again,

00:32:43.840 APP event in Spruce Grove was packed as well, but, um, I think what it's going to come down to is the

00:32:50.240 municipalities. I think what APP should be doing and other organizations that are pushing independence is

00:32:55.920 focus on meetings within those municipalities to show the numbers, show the benefits. Um, if they

00:33:04.240 want an independence vote, you're going to have to win over, I would think somewhere to a hundred

00:33:09.280 thousand to a quarter of a million votes between the two cities. Um, for Edmonton, your guess is as

00:33:14.720 good as mine because they typically vote with the unions and with, um, with the government. Um, however,

00:33:21.760 you know, some of the unions are now touting, Hey, this could be beneficial based on funding

00:33:26.320 options. Uh, so again, everything's up in the air until we see more of these panels, until we see

00:33:31.760 more people, uh, getting vocal. I do think that the focus needs to be on municipalities though, if we

00:33:36.560 want to get that vote. You mentioned prosperity, you know, people ask me why, why I want Alberta

00:33:42.320 independence. I say, I would like to, I think we get disrespected in Alberta. I think it's, I think it's a

00:33:47.200 racket now. I think we're just bank account for them. And I'm sick and tired of Alberta having to 1.00

00:33:52.640 get down on its knees to beg the liberal party and Mark Carney and the people in the East for its

00:33:58.480 prosperity. It drives me crazy. Uh, I think Daniel Smith has said maybe $120 billion in lost investment.

00:34:05.520 That doesn't include the revenue we could have got out of the ground. You can imagine how much more

00:34:09.680 money we would have had if all that investment would have happened. I'm, I'm running a bit short on

00:34:14.240 time here. Cause I've got to upgrade my zoom and it's telling me I've got about four minutes left

00:34:18.240 right now. Um, let me just ask you, how long have you been doing the YouTube thing? And, um,

00:34:24.560 you know, you, you're a full-time dad. Are you doing this full-time right now?

00:34:28.880 Yeah. So YouTube, um, ultimately what happened is, is my wife was in the oil and gas sector.

00:34:34.800 Um, YouTube was a hobby for me. It was just a way to stay relevant in between books.

00:34:39.520 Yeah. And, um, as it grew, uh, it became where my interest lied and I enjoy doing YouTube. Um,

00:34:48.240 the cost of daycare is out of control. So I stayed home while my wife was working because

00:34:53.200 I'd be essentially working just to give my money to a daycare with three kids. Um,

00:34:57.200 so YouTube is my full-time job. And a lot of people think I say it's my job because I like the

00:35:02.400 money. It's just, no, it's the situation we're in right now. And, um, if it pays me anything,

00:35:07.360 that's, that's my job. So, um, unfortunately when we moved, my wife was offered a transfer

00:35:12.880 and then it was denied when we moved. So now YouTube literally is my full-time job until she

00:35:18.000 finds something else. But, um, but I enjoy it. And I've been doing it for roughly two and a half

00:35:23.040 years and I love every minute of it. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. And you do,

00:35:26.880 you're very successful doing it. You know, I kind of kicked off my YouTube channel in December.

00:35:31.040 Uh, it was incredible way through the election. I picked up people. I started at 400 people

00:35:36.320 and I've got close to 35,000. I I'm pretty pleased with it. I maybe shoot a video a day,

00:35:40.560 have a lot of time, a lot of fun doing it. I don't do this full-time at all,

00:35:44.400 make a little bit of money doing it as well, but you're really good at what you do.

00:35:48.240 I want to talk again. I have so many other things I'd like to chat with you about. I hope we can do

00:35:52.960 it again. I hope this can be a series because I'd like to talk to sure like Moose on the Loose,

00:35:57.120 um, Jasmine Lane, get you on the air on a more regular basis because I love chatting with people

00:36:01.440 here. I think people enjoy it as well. And, uh, we appreciate what you do as a YouTuber,

00:36:06.960 as a full-time father and a seven-time bestselling author. We'll put some links in the description

00:36:11.200 so people can find all that for you as well. Your social media. Thank you so much for this today.

00:36:16.880 It was a great pleasure for me. Uh, pleasure's all mine. Thank you for having me on. I like the work

00:36:21.840 you do too, John, keep it up and, uh, we'll talk again soon. Thank you. And I'd like to thank you for

00:36:26.640 watching. If you liked this video, please give it a thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, ring the bell

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John Bolton - July 18, 2025

The BIG blue mug meets the Unacceptable Fringe - Carney, Poilievre, Smith, Alberta independence +

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