00:00:00.000Hi, I'm John and welcome to the channel. Great to have you along today. It is a pleasure. Thanks
00:00:08.100for clicking on this video. I think this could be a very interesting one today. You know,
00:00:13.880over the last week or so, in particular, something that happened the other day has got people asking
00:00:18.500the question, what happened to Danielle Smith? I think this began maybe a couple of months ago
00:00:24.680when she came out in favor of the pro-Canada side, the independence people who support her
00:00:29.540felt betrayed, thought she should remain neutral. But something dawned on me this morning when I
00:00:34.780was talking to a friend of mine. He says, here's what's going to happen with Danielle Smith
00:00:38.620sometime in the fall after the referendum. And something dawned on me that I think will knock
00:00:44.640your socks off. I've got a sentence I've written at the top of my notes here that might knock
00:00:49.360your socks off. And I also wrote a betrayal of Albertans. We'll get to that in just a moment.
00:00:55.800Now, I'd like to bring into the conversation Rob Anders, former MP for Calgary West.
00:01:01.800Rob, you were an MP from 1997 to 2015.
00:01:07.580I'm just wondering, do you ever have thoughts of getting back in the game and become a politician again, or are you done with that?
00:01:14.220You know, when I got into politics, the litmus test was whether or not you were in favour or opposed to gay marriage.0.99
00:01:23.020now the litmus test is like uh whether or not you're in favor of anal poppers uh you know type0.86
00:01:29.900of thing so it's it's become a lot more politically correct uh since i left but um who knows time0.94
00:01:37.420will tell okay now i just want to i want to get this out front you you've known the premier for
00:01:42.840a long time you know daniel smith and i think you consider her a friend as well correct correct yes
00:01:48.200Yeah. And of course, I know that politics have a big influence on people's lives. But as far as I'm concerned, friends and family are more important. So I understand if you're trying, you know, you want to make sure that you're not, you know, being too critical of the premier. But I think you've got some interesting insight on her. When people are asking the question this week, what has happened to Danielle Smith? And let me run over a few other things that have come up.
00:02:11.840She came out the other day with some different thoughts on equalization.0.97
00:02:15.280She has spit fire about that in the past, how it is harming Alberta.
00:02:19.620She also has made some different comments about immigration.
00:02:22.800A little while ago, she said double the population of Alberta.
00:02:26.200We've actually got five questions on the referendum this fall on October 19th that deal, for the most part, with immigration.
00:02:32.740And she came out the other day talking about more immigration.
00:02:35.560She has never been too favorable about climate change measures, but she's agreed to carbon capture and industrial carbon taxes on a pipeline to get one built.
00:02:45.380She's also said it would be a failure if government dollars were used to build a pipeline.
00:02:49.620We're talking maybe $35 to $45 billion in taxpayer dollars to build a pipeline.
00:02:55.380And of course, people have said she's turned her back on her base, many of whom are in the independence movement, and they're very upset with her calling for her head right now.
00:03:03.380Do you know what has happened to Danielle Smith? Any insight here?
00:03:09.140Well, I remember when Take Back Alberta was looking for a poster child and Danielle Smith stepped forward.0.75
00:03:19.480She's erudite. She's smart. She's well-spoken. She's a policy wonk. You know, all of that. That's true.0.93
00:03:25.280and uh they they said okay we'll we'll run with her uh i knew all along that she was more of a
00:03:34.380federalist than she was kind of an independence minded person uh you know back in university i
00:03:40.600was with the reform party as was her former husband she was with the progressive conservatives
00:03:44.980so uh you know she she she didn't tend toward the peasants with pitchforks and you know the0.94
00:03:52.180the upset rednecks that those were my people um that's my that's my try so she uh that wasn't her0.92
00:03:58.900thing and um so i knew that they weren't getting whether it was mitch sylvester or david parker
00:04:05.220dennis modry etc they weren't getting exactly who they thought they were uh i think she realized it
00:04:11.860was a vehicle uh to be able to get into the leadership the premiership uh and uh and and
00:04:17.860you know she she took it uh fair enough um when it comes to some of the issues that that you've
00:04:22.740mentioned i think that equalization uh obviously we've had a vote on that uh the other premiers
00:04:29.620don't care to budge on it i can imagine uh so she might be being pragmatic with regard to that
00:04:36.340on immigration uh i think she probably looks at it and says well if alberta had more clout
00:04:42.020if we had the population of a quebec or an ontario you know et cetera bigger than bc
00:04:46.580number three player whatever you know that would give us more seats more power more influence etc
00:04:51.220um but um i don't think she's as concerned as rural alberta is uh with regard to you know jobs
00:05:00.580or crime or you know that that i mean is but she's not on exactly the same wavelength she's more of a
00:05:06.100calgary wavelength than she is a taber wavelength right and um in terms of carbon capture um i know
00:05:14.020like what i i got into the issue of central bank digital currency because i'd heard when she was a
00:05:18.820talking head on global that she had talked about how she thought it was inevitable i thought oh
00:05:23.460so i went down that rabbit hole and uh you know now we've got various privacy concerns and the
00:05:29.780justice center has written a comprehensive paper on it and i think i've warned enough people
00:05:33.780hundreds or whatever in the conservative party of alberta uh ucp that we don't want to go down0.54
00:05:39.620this road because all you have to do is look at china and the digital yuan and see how dangerous
00:05:43.940and problematic that is that's what the future of central bank digital currency looks like
00:05:48.420um and on in terms of taxpayer funded pipelines i think her background at the fraser institute
00:05:54.260would would tend to have her not favor that but i think she's also a bit of a go-along get-along
00:06:01.460if she's in the room with carney she wants to make some sort of progress with him some sort0.63
00:06:05.940short of concession, etc. I remember a conversation that I had with her down at her diner that she
00:06:13.220had in High River not that long ago. And she was saying to me, asking, she said, do you think that
00:06:18.920Carney is a pragmatic banker or a bug-eyed environmentalist? And I said, I think he's a
00:06:25.120bug-eyed environmentalist, you know, pretending to be a pragmatic banker. He was chosen over
00:06:31.840uh people who had more seniority were better qualified at the bank of canada
00:06:35.440um i know that him and jim flaherty ran at loggerheads at times obviously he was chased
00:06:42.040out of england because of his job at the bank of england um and so i uh i think he's just a
00:06:48.500smarter slicker version of trudeau yeah she actually actually played a clip from her the
00:06:53.800other day uh going back to a candace malcolm interview from probably less than 18 months ago
00:06:58.520saying that she thinks he's worse than Justin Trudeau. But here she is. I mean, there's a
00:07:03.700saying, I've used this on my channel before, a proverb, show me who you walk with and I'll tell
00:07:08.440you who you are. And she's walking with Mark Carney right now. And right now people are
00:07:13.420spitting fire against Daniel Smith. I was at a meeting the other night. Everybody in the room
00:07:18.260wants her gone. They want to see her go away. They're sick of her. They think she's betrayed
00:07:24.200them, as I said, off the top of this video. So I'm talking to a friend of mine this morning
00:07:28.860and he had something that, something he said to me really dawned on me. And I think he's
00:07:35.480absolutely right. It's the total logical thing. He said she is going to resign. She is going to
00:07:42.880leave approximately around the time of the AGM on November 27th of this year. She will not be
00:07:49.100around to run in the election next year. And it made absolute sense to me that she's doing this.
00:07:53.740So here's the logic behind this, Rob, and maybe you can tell me what you think.1.00
00:07:57.900She's going to resign after the vote on October 19th.
00:08:02.500So I've written this down so I can get this straight.
00:15:26.920she's not doing it because she has Pierre's job
00:15:29.560as Captain Canada, the wannabe Captain Canada.
00:15:32.740She's doing it because there's a personal conviction there.1.00
00:15:35.840and uh it's going to make a tough work the other thing here to think about you know you know women0.97
00:15:43.220have a different intuition when it comes to other to uh into it and other other women you know they
00:15:48.160really do and you know i've spoken to other people my my wife i went up her and told her this this
00:15:52.560morning she said john i've been telling you this for years i don't trust this woman she's done this
00:15:57.460before she walked across the aisle and everybody i'll tell you this has been brought up quite a bit
00:16:02.000over the last couple of days. She walked across the aisle when she was the leader of the Wild
00:16:05.840Rose Party, I think with seven other MLAs, betraying the people who supported her. She did
00:16:12.020that a number of years ago. My wife said, I don't trust her at all because if she's done it before,
00:16:16.760she'll do it again. And people, the other night, she's crossed the aisle again. This time she's
00:16:21.420crossed from being the leader of the party here in Alberta over to Mark Carney and the liberals
00:16:26.480again, a betrayal. And this is sort of a pattern with her and it works out to her advantage.
00:16:31.040She eventually went into the wilderness for a bit, got her name and her voice on the radio for a number of years, was able to talk to them, and then she walked into this job as the premier.
00:16:42.820Well, I know one of my colleagues, he used to be the House leader in Ottawa when we were at a federal conservative convention in Quebec City.
00:16:49.920He literally said to me, Daniel Smith, who knew, after the foreclosing.
00:16:53.820uh and i remember there was an event at the cochran legion uh this is a few years back now
00:16:59.160uh when jason kenny was just preparing to launch uh for the premiership etc and uh at that point
00:17:05.380he hadn't jailed pastors so i encouraged my supporters to come out and hear what he had to
00:17:08.580say danielle was in the room she sat one table away from me and i have never seen
00:17:13.720a shunning like that i acknowledged her i'm a former roommate of hers
00:17:18.560you know went to university with her and i was like hey how's it doing the room literally did
00:17:24.660not make eye contact with her neither did jason the room just shunned her because of the floor
00:17:29.260crossing i'd never seen that before that type of political shunning here's the parallel again
00:17:34.500though she she was mud her name was mud in this province among people who supported her she rose
00:17:40.820from the ashes to become premier she betrays the people with all of these things that are happening
00:17:45.000they're not happy with her again. She runs to be the leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.
00:17:49.740She gets in there. We've got short memories. We're Conservatives after all. She becomes the
00:17:53.960Premier and everybody says, oh, look, Danielle, she used to be the Premier of Alberta. She can0.96
00:17:57.720get all the goodies we want that we've been wanting here in Alberta because she's now the0.99
00:18:01.540Prime Minister of the country. And unfortunately, even when we have Prime Ministries who are0.79
00:18:05.680Albertans, things don't really work out the way we are. It's almost the same thing in parallel with
00:18:10.640with some different pieces in play here? I think she would rather play the role of Captain Canada
00:18:19.280than she would to be the leader of an independence movement in Alberta. That's my honest
00:18:25.940assessment. I don't think that she would deep down disagree with that. And she does understand
00:18:33.640the Alberta and the energy patch and our issues, much the same way that Sarah Palin,
00:18:38.980as governor of alaska understood you know that issue very well so um we'll see time will tell
00:18:48.260uh i i think we're going to have a very significant vote uh that i think will surprise
00:18:54.900people in terms of the the amount and the number that are in favor of independence i think the
00:18:59.300people who are the status quo types um are not as motivated as my sense yeah they're certainly
00:19:07.860not showing up at those uh town halls that i've that i've been attending um so and they're not
00:19:14.580the base of the party they're not the ones who control the executive of the party etc
00:19:19.220so um and they're clearly the ndp and the liberals or whatever are pandering to that
00:19:23.940and are playing to that and that's those are their people so uh yeah i uh i i i think she's
00:19:33.860she's going to have a tough time with that if she should have for the sake of the party i think and1.00
00:19:38.740for even for her own career and uh what have you to remain more silent than that she she probably0.97
00:19:45.140should have allowed her mlas and ministers to have their opinions on that to be able to say that
00:19:49.780they're in favor of independence because i think some of them are uh and and not to uh uh chagrin
00:19:56.020if if they indicate that they are say hey it's a private uh vote you know it's a secret ballot i
00:20:00.420i can do what i want um so and i i think the one of the litmus tests coming up is the nominations
00:20:06.080because we have these boundary redrawings the nominations are going to tell us a lot because
00:20:10.800one of the questions in the questionnaire is whether or not people have been involved with
00:20:14.260an independence movement and if that's going to be used as a litmus test to weed those people out
00:20:19.120if not by the party executive but by her because she has the ultimate sign off as leader then you'll
00:20:24.040know and at that point at that point there'll be sparks inside the party if people who are
00:20:29.600pro-independency nominations that are disqualified by her, they'll be sparks.
00:20:32.640Well, I already know of a few people that are doing that right now, and they're being scrutinized,
00:20:37.660like deeply scrutinized over this. And they look like they're trying to be shown the door before
00:20:42.580they even get in. You know, the thing for the people in the independence movement wasn't the
00:20:46.580fact that she didn't come out full on for independence, is that she opened her mouth
00:20:49.920about it. And she could have remained neutral, like you said. That's what betrayed us. And that
00:20:54.380was the number one thing. And all these things are happening. What do you think of the idea that
00:20:58.100she may resign and just walk before the fall comes. So she, she, she can walk away one way1.00
00:21:03.540or the other on her own terms and then run federally because people have been saying that
00:21:08.500forever. She wants to be a federal politician and she looks at herself as a future prime minister.
00:21:14.680I think that if she did that, it, it would leave her more unscathed than if she had her
00:21:23.360membership revolt against her yes taking a stand against them yeah i think that leaves her in a
00:21:29.280better position whether or not she has the self-discipline uh to pull the plug uh and say0.85
00:21:36.240uh that um you know she's she's gonna leave before she pisses off her base uh effectively
00:21:44.460um is is another story um i don't know because it's it's a tough thing to do to leave the job
00:21:50.900as premier because i mean she is like i said smart and well-read and erudite and policy wonky
00:21:57.380and she is doing some good things um and and and so uh that that would be tough for her i think
00:22:04.420and a real test of her um her own self-discipline if she if she is interested in running federally0.97
00:22:12.080i think she should uh press the eject button before she goes ahead and and really alienates
00:22:19.700her base in the way that jason kenny did he alienated his base they he he put it to the
00:22:26.060point where they they he forced their hand to force him out yeah and therefore and therefore
00:22:31.900he's damaged goods if he tries to seek the federal leadership here's the thing here's the thing i
00:22:37.420have to think that's interesting justin trudeau isn't all that smart but he had the smarts to
00:22:42.020get out before he was shown the door by his party he walked away as well i think his father did too
00:22:46.020if I remember correctly, many, many years ago.
00:27:07.460Alberta, aren't they? Yeah, well, you know, when I did some polling during the whole trucker convoy
00:27:14.080stuff, COVID, what we found was that Tabor, Alberta, God bless them in Tabor, 82% of them
00:27:21.820saw the truckers as heroes, which I do. And I think a lot of Canadians do. I do. The opposite
00:27:27.540was Hull, Elmer, Quebec, which is where the French speaking bureaucrats who work in Ottawa
00:27:32.640go to live right in hull elmere just north of ottawa across the river and there was 66 percent
00:27:39.280were in favor of seizing the bank accounts of anybody who supported the truckers so there you
00:27:43.680had the polar opposites of the country hull elmere that was all about lockdowns and control and
00:27:51.600taber alberta which was in favor of independence and anti-mask anti-lockdown freedom freedom yeah
00:27:58.240Freedom. Yeah, I agree with you. And it just shows you the difference between Quebec and Alberta, the East and the West. I used to live out there. I didn't know what it was about till I got here. And we're a different breed out here. Shall I say we are a distinct society, which takes me back to 95 when we went through the referendum out there in Quebec. Thanks so much for this, Rob. I appreciate it. I hope I got to talk to you again. We'll go for a coffee sometime. And it was just a pleasure to chat with you. I'm sure you have lots of other stories we could talk about. Thank you very much.