With Unacceptable Fringe - His book & Is A New Independence Strategy Needed？
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On today's show, we have a guest on the show to talk about his new book, "How Alberta Got Its Independence: A Parody of Dr. Seuss's 'How the Grinch Stole Christmas' and why Alberta should seek independence from Canada.
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Hi, it's John and welcome to the channel. It is Wednesday, February 25th. I hope you're
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having a great Wednesday morning here with the big blue mug of coffee. I tip it to you
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today and we've got a guest on the channel today. We're going to talk about a number
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of things here. We're going to talk about the book. Let me move it over here so you
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can see it properly. How Alberta got its independence. And we're going to talk a little
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bit about strategy when it comes to the Alberta independence movement. Although I'm just
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kind of launching this on Derek Smith from Unacceptable Fringe right now. Great to have
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you on the channel. Congratulations with the new book. Thank you so much, John. It's good
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to be here. You've done a number of these, haven't you? This one is sitting at number one right
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now in a number of different ways on Amazon, isn't it? It's number one in all of its categories.
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We clenched number one in Canada briefly yesterday. And then it went back down. We're competing
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against, I think it's whatever that singer's name, Jelly Roll. It's Jelly Roll. I always get
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it confused. His wife put out a book. So we're competing with that one for number one. They're
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doing their press tour. So it's going to be an uphill battle, but I'm confident we're going
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to get back into the number one spot in the country.
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But it's going very well, I'm guessing. Amazingly well. Yeah, yeah. Amazingly well.
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How many books does this, because you're a bestselling author already a number of times
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over, aren't you? This is number eight. Yep. Eight books. Wow. Eight books. This is number
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eight. Yep. I think this might be the final one. Yeah. Well, you know, it's got to be hard
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to do. I know, I mean, it costs a certain amount of money to do this. You've got, the illustrations
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are great. Rise of Alberta did this. So you teamed up with Rise of Alberta. If you're not
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following Rise of Alberta online, you should be doing that. I mean, the illustrations are
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fantastic. Great little story here. You know what I found interesting about reading it is
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that if you don't live in Alberta and understand our plight, I think you can get an idea of what
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we're dealing with in Alberta from reading your book. And was that your intention when
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Well, it's more, if you go back to the beginning of our books, we started out with how the Prime
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Minister stole freedom after the Freedom Convoy. And it was more to put a spotlight on the treatment
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of the truckers from Justin Trudeau while putting a fun, creative spin on things. This book was more
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along those lines of let's talk about, again, like you mentioned, the plight of Alberta. Let's talk
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about the reasons Alberta should be seeking its independence and kind of the ridiculous demands,
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we'll say, from the Mark Carney government that we're supposed to keep paying and stand in line.
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I think what it really tells is just a story of where Alberta is headed and where we need to be,
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Of course, I did a little fun video on this the other day, talking about this and evil Mark Carney
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shows up in it. But I was wondering, did you get clearance from a certain cowboy wearing
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lawyer, a cowboy hat wearing lawyer here in Alberta? Because he's sort of the main character on the
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Alberta side in this. I was wondering if you mentioned this to Jeff Rath before you put out the book.
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We did get Jeff's blessing. I know, like, look, all of our characters are a parody,
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as it says at the front of the book, that these are not real, real people. Hence why the Prime
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Minister is always called the Prime Minister. But it's, we still sought Jeff's approval and he was
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more than happy to join us on this project. So kudos to him for that.
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And, you know, although the artwork in the book, let me just open it up here so hopefully people can see
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it because of the Zoom background here. But you can see the artwork here isn't Dr. Seuss.
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But there certainly is hints of Dr. Seuss in the way, in the cadence of the way you wrote the book
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Yeah. So when I did How the Prime Minister Stole Freedom, it was a parody of How the Grinch Stole
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Christmas. We just kind of did it up against Justin Trudeau. So a lot of people enjoyed that
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book. It was number one in Canada for six weeks when it launched. And when I started doing future
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books with my other illustrator, I kind of took a poll online and asked people, do you want us to
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stay with, you know, the parody of Dr. Seuss, like kids' books for adults? Or should we start getting
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into more serious territory? People liked the fun nature of an adult book that's, you know,
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drawn up like a kid's book. So we kind of just stuck with that formula as we move forward.
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Yeah. And it works really good as well. Now, the good thing about this, I mentioned it in the video
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I did the other day, is that you are giving some of the proceeds from this book to Stay Free Alberta.
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It's been a while since I've spoken to you. How are you feeling about the independence movement
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right now? Why are you so invested in the independence movement right now?
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Well, I think when it comes to Alberta, I've spoken many times on our broadcasts that
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I love Canada. I'm Canada born. I was born in Manitoba. I've spent over 30 years of my life in
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Alberta. But Tamara Leach, I think, said it best when we went to the Rebel News event last Saturday
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in Edmonton. The Freedom Convoy, when you look at all the people on the overpasses with their flags,
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the true spirit of Canada coming out in support of the Freedom Convoy, she said, you know, I kind of
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felt like this was our last attempt to keep and hold the country together to revive that spirit of
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what Canada used to be, especially pre the Justin Trudeau era. The invokement of the Emergencies Act
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sealed that fate. It's not the people of Canada that are broken. It's the leadership. It's the way
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the government runs, the endless hamster wheel that we seem to be on. I've been around people in
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Alberta for many decades that have said, you know, we should join the U.S. or we'd be better if we
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left. And it was kind of low-end talk, like fringe, if you might say, like amongst small groups of
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people. When all of a sudden last year, Danielle Smith pops up and says, hey, you either change
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these nine bad laws or we're going to have a unity crisis. And the conversation all of a sudden gets
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invigorated with massive support. That was around the time that I met with Jeff Rath and I met with
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Mitch Sylvester and Dr. Modry when they were running Alberta Prosperity Project. And, you know,
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when you start to listen to the actual numbers behind things or the benefits for Alberta to leave,
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it instantly became viable. I'll say in my eyes to start saying, you know, I'm okay with, you know,
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my wife, like we've bought our home, we're secure, we've, we make a living. But I'm looking at my kids
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and I'm looking at their future and saying, how are my kids going to get a job? How are they going to
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buy a home? How are they going to raise a family of their own? When I see a lot of people in, I guess,
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Gen A or Gen Alpha, however they pronounce it now, still living in their parents' houses. They can't
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get out. They can't get jobs. I think Corey Morgan put it best at the rebel event on Saturday that
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even if Pierre Polyev became prime minister, if, if things had gone different in the last federal
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election. Um, sure. We might've seen some interprovincial trade. We might've seen, you know,
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some pipelines get approved or, or a few minor things happen that make our lives a little easier.
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But he says that the fact of the matter is if you go back to the Stephen Harper days, if you look at,
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um, how much representation did Alberta get when Stephen Harper was prime minister? Very little.
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And the reason for that isn't their fault. It's not Pierre's fault either. It's the system. It's the
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fact that they can't open the constitution. They can't change things because they need seven of
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10 provinces. Our system isn't designed for representation in the West. So ultimately
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Alberta independence makes more sense than ever. Fascinating. Fascinating that a number of the
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questions that Danielle Smith wants on a fall referendum, we could go on forever. I don't want
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to get too deep into that, but fascinating that a number of the questions she's got on a fall
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referendum ballot will have to overthrow, will have to rewrite the constitution. And as you said,
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not likely to happen. Seven out of 10 provinces, 50% of the population. Um, you have to get the
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parliament, Senate, all of that never going to happen. But some of the proceeds from this do go
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to stay free Alberta for the independence movement. You know, I want to, I want to bring this up with
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you. I want to talk to you. I, I was on the other day. I don't know that I was critical of the
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rebel news event, but I'm a little skeptical of things right now. Um, you went out to that.
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There's one coming up here in Calgary. And I mentioned on a video the other day that I missed out.
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Um, Wade Collins got in touch with me, says he'd, he'd be happy to give me a ticket to go to it.
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So I'm still might go to that on the 26th here. It's sold out. And I got up the next morning
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thinking, you know, this is an echo chamber. Uh, these events are echo chambers. Um, we're preaching
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to the choir. Everybody there will be all in for Alberta independence. We're not spreading the word.
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And at the same time, as much as I love rebel news and they need the money, they don't get
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government funding that money that you spent on a ticket, 20 bucks. And all those tickets they sold
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could have gone to the actual independence movement to help it out. And, and, and no disrespect to
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rebel news, no disrespect to Tamera Leach and Sheila Gunn-Reed and Corey Morgan and the people who are
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involved in that, no disrespect to the people who went to the event, but I want to talk to you about
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strategy here. I want to read to you a letter I got, and it's, it's a little lengthy, but I, I think
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this is food for thought. A guy named Ryan got in touch with me. He wrote an email to me and this is
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really well-written and it talks about the strategy of the independence movement. And maybe we should
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be thinking about this a different way. Would you mind if I read a little bit of this to you?
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Absolutely. Okay. It's, it's really well-written. It's a little lengthy, but stick with me here.
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And I think people will find this fascinating. I'm writing to you from beautiful El Salvador,
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where my wife and I hastily moved after our bank accounts were frozen in 2022. As you know,
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the people will push, who will push independence over the finish line are the undecided middle.
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These are the people who have real articulable visceral frustrations and concerns about confederation,
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but equally tangible fears about the uncertainty inherent to a newly independent nation.
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This is the better the devil, you know, crowd as they hold Alberta's destiny squarely in their hands,
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whether they realize it or not. I'm concerned that the independence movement is failing to model
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the psychology of this group and to effectively tune its messaging to them. Specifically, my sense
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is that the independence movement is placing far too much emphasis on an optimistic vision
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for an independent Alberta and far too little emphasis on the terrifying prospect of remaining
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in confederation. The undecided middle is unlikely to be animated by optimism. Their vote will almost
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certainly be animated by fear, whether that's fear of separating or fear of remaining. The federalists
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understand this, and that is why they're ramping up their fear-based messaging. They're painting a
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frightening picture of a landlocked pariah state, isolated, friendless and vulnerable, a sitting
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duck awaiting hostile U.S. annexation. They're casting separatists as ungrateful rubes, as childish
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tantrum throwers and vile traitors. All of that may sound absurd to you and I because objectively it is
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absurd, but to the undecided middle it is compelling and it sways votes. The federalists are going after
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the voting bloc that will determine the outcome and their approach is informed by well-established
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behavioral science. They are deploying this fear-based messaging because it works. They are a cynical,
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calculating lot and it will be necessary to beat them at their own game, if it is our wish to get out from
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under their thumb. If they are allowed to dominate this end of the narrative, the independence movement
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will be at a major disadvantage going forward. Just a couple more paragraphs here. The undecided
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middle will not find abstract, rose-colored visions of a Dubai-like future persuasive. On the contrary,
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they are more likely to find such promises suspicious, too good to be true or difficult to imagine. These
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folks have become so accustomed to the federal boot on their necks that they might be inclined to
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continue tolerating it in order to avoid the frightening uncertainty inherent to major change,
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saying to themselves, Canada isn t perfect, but at least we don t live in Afghanistan. What are those
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separatists really after? Final paragraph. This segment must come to understand the terrifying future
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Albertans face as part of Confederation. It is a future of escalating tyranny, escalating corruption,
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deepening misery, worsening poverty, deprivation, homelessness, drug addiction, and violent crime,
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where their CPP and OAS are being eroded away by inflation until retirement is as untenable as
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home ownership is for their kids. And the daily life of Albertans is defined by endless struggle for
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mere survival as third world conditions materialize around them. It is an outcome which can no longer be
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averted no matter which federal party controls parliament. The situation is hopeless and independence is the escape
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patch. In my view, that is the picture the independence movement must vividly point for the undecided. What
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do you think of that? I read that the other day and I think that Ryan and Jessica, I think they're onto
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something here. I know it was a lot to say, but I had to read that verbatim and that's how he wrote it.
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Well, very well written for one. The thing I try to, I have this conversation day in and day out,
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not only with viewers, but anytime I'm at these events, uh, like the rebel event. And the reason I
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go to those is because it's hope you, you can see the hope in people. You can talk with people that,
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you know, either watch the channel or just are looking for, uh, something new, uh, in their lives
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by changing the forming of a new country. But I always say to people, it's kind of like a clock,
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you know, there's many gears that are going to have to turn in unison in order to get us over the
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finish line when it comes to independence. I think that, um, you know, one, one quote that,
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that comes to mind is you never interrupt your enemy when they're destroying themselves.
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Uh, I think that the federal government's doing a good job right now of painting a picture of bleak
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opportunity for Canada. I think that when you look at the corruption, when you look at floor
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crossings, when you look at everything that's happening in the federal government, it's very easy,
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uh, for those who are in the middle right now to start getting swayed towards the path on
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independence. That being said, uh, Dr. Modry had spoken up at a separate speaking event. I don't
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believe it was a state free Alberta event, uh, but he had said that he believes that this movement
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is going to be won by the silent majority. Keith Wilson has also said that, uh, the more you see the
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shenanigans from the federal government, the more people are going to see for themselves,
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that independence is the way forward, that it is the answer. The harder their lives get,
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the more difficult things become. If jobs continue to leave, uh, if inflation continues to go up,
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like people don't realize Alberta beef is more affordable in Vietnam than it is in Alberta.
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Beef? Who eats beef anymore in Alberta? I can't afford it. No, I can't.
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So those are the things, those are the things that when people start to see those things,
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they start questioning, well, what's this independence thing all about? And
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the problem, not, not the problem. I should say one of the points of that email that I think is, uh,
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pragmatic in moving people over to the side of independence is you can't force it upon them. You
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can't, uh, convince the unconvincible. There are some people, and, and I'm sure you've seen them too,
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John, that no matter how many times you say, these are the treaties, these are the rules. These are,
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they'll still say you're on stolen land. You can't go. There's no convincing certain individuals,
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but I think, um, I think what the key should be right now is we get our signatures. We get over
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the million mark on the signature, send a message, not only to Ottawa, but to the premier saying this has,
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this has legs. Uh, and once we get to that campaign mode, we already know that there's going to be a
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question October 19th. So the question then becomes of how aggressive do we then get with
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a campaign from the middle of may all the way to October? I think that's when you're going to start
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seeing a larger push from the stay free Alberta side, that these are the reasons we should go.
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Um, I, I, I think that's the, that, that should be the plan forward at least because if we take our
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eyes off the prize signatures will fall and, um, we'll be focused on, on issues that really aren't
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relevant at this very time. You know, that, that email struck me. I was reading it and I was almost
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shaking listening to it because I've been thinking about this a lot. Um, if your does sell, the
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liberals got in on April 28th, right? It looked like a sure thing for Polly F, but they scared
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people into voting for them again after 10 years. But I'm wondering, I did a video this morning,
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whether people are really getting the message, you know, we hear these polls, whether they're true
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or not about the liberals gaining ground in Alberta, uh, you know, because of fear, uh,
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the liberals tell everybody that things are just hunky dory and fine and people tend to buy it. So
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I don't know. I think there, I think there can be a number of different strategies going forward,
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telling people what their life will be like if they stay in Canada and how much better it will
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be in Alberta. I'm looking at the positive side. I see the glass half full. I think I'm fortunate a lot
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of people will vote no because it's better the devil, you know, right than the devil you don't.
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But I thought that was a fascinating, uh, email. I told Ryan, I was going to mention it to you and
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I wanted to get your thoughts on that. Um, are you, are you still as optimistic or even more
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optimistic than you have been in the past regarding our chances? Uh, whenever the question of October
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19th, of course, maybe, maybe we get our own ballot, who knows that's maybe a, an argument or a
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discussion for another day, but how are you feeling right now about things?
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Well, I think when it comes to a separate question on its own ballot, I think, again,
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that's going to come down to signatures. I think when you, when you look at the, uh,
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we'll say the consensus amongst the public that there's been a lack of support from the UCP,
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uh, they're going to go where the votes are going to go. And if they see again,
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the targeted audience of a million plus signatures, they're going to have to make a decision that,
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do we, do we start falling in line with what the independence crowd's talking about,
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or do we risk losing those votes, uh, if we suppress this movement? So I, I think, um,
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some things that people are disgruntled about can change between now and October, uh, in terms of
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my perception, uh, after seeing what happened in Yuma, Arizona over the weekend, uh, I, I think,
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I think it's safe to say we're in a good position. I think we're doing better than I thought we were
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going to be doing. Um, a lot of people have commented, I don't see lines anymore. I don't see
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massive groups of people, but people have to remember at the start of this process. Uh,
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I believe it was when you were, I'm seeing the event in Queensland that, uh, that was,
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that was one of the first lines we seen in this movement. There were very few, uh,
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canvassers at that point that had badges that could get signatures. People were very eager.
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Uh, I think that's over 7,500 canvassers around Alberta right now. So, um, when you look at that and
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start saying, you know, if each canvasser, when you think about those lines can get a hundred signatures,
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that's, that's three quarters of a million signatures right there. Um, we're, we're,
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we're on our way over the finish line when it comes to the target. Now, uh, the reason we're not seeing
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those lines, of course, is because we have 7,500 canvassers across the province. Uh, I went to a
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St. Albert signing just two weeks ago and, uh, people were going in and out at a good pace because
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it was steady, but then again, there's enough canvassers to fill the needs. So, uh, I don't want,
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I don't want people to get dismayed because they don't see the lines anymore. It just means we're
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organized now. And, and I believe, um, the threshold of independence, there's still some
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people that are afraid to sign. Um, I want to remind anybody watching that if that's the case,
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Stay Free Alberta has stated that if you contact them on their website, they will send a canvasser
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to your home. Uh, so that, you know, you don't have to be in public. You don't have to have anybody
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worried about doxing or, uh, things like that. I know they're starting their door to door campaign
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soon. Uh, so that's, that's going to pump up numbers. And, uh, I, I think even the silent
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majority that are maybe afraid to sign or are questioning if there's a viability of independence.
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I think that once those numbers become available in may, that's going to start to sway some people
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that this isn't a small fringe movement. It's not, you know, a couple thousand people that there's
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actually a clear demand for it, that even those that are against it might start to listen. Um,
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I know some people who typically vote NDP that have told me I'm on the side of independence and,
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um, they're, they're being educated every day as to why the benefits are there. So hopefully I,
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I think it's very possible we could hit a minimum of a 45% to 55% vote for independence as of now,
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based on what I've seen, but, uh, Hey, it's anybody's game, I guess, until, until we get over
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that finish line. So it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. You know, I, um, I'm 62 or 61. I just
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turned 61 about a week or so ago. And, uh, in my lifetime, if, if we wait another 30 years,
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like Quebec did, I'm not likely to be around. Right. So I really want this to work. You know,
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you, I I'm, I'm, I'm excited about it. And when you mentioned Yuma, Arizona, I got a bit of a grin
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on my face. I talked about that in my independence calendar the other day and showed some video from
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it. And a lot of people have sent me messages and text messages and, and also email saying,
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Hey, I'm down here. I got some more pictures coming up this weekend of people signing the petition
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there. And I'll, all of a sudden my, you know, my spirits went through the roof. When I saw that,
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that there were people south of the border, uh, they're signing as well. So it is really quite
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an exciting time and, and a historic time as well. I mean, just think of it, um, years from now,
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we all, we're all part of a pretty big thing here, aren't we? It's pretty amazing.
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It's definitely something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime, because again,
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I always heard people discussing it. And then all of a sudden over the last year,
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it's just kind of exploded. But one thing I've heard numerous times that I think people need
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to remember is that if you're ever going to support it, now is the time. I am under firm
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belief that this is our only shot, that if we miss this, uh, it will either be quite some time,
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like you said, similar to Quebec, or we may never see this opportunity again.
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Yeah. And if you're waiting for a conservative government, there's always another liberal
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government around the corner. That's the thing that bothers me about it. And, and they call
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themselves a natural ruling party. You look at history, uh, they're in power more than the
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conservatives are. That is for sure. Derek, it's always great to talk to you on acceptable fringe.
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Here's the book, how Alberta got its independence. Let's get it to number one proceeds. Some of the
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proceeds go to stay free Alberta to help the Alberta independence movement. It's a pleasure to
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talk to you. Hope to see you again real soon. I'm having a, I'm going to be having a petition
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signing here. We're going to have an event here. We're going to have coffee, donuts, pizza,
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and everything probably two weekends from now. So I'll let you know about it. Maybe you can give it a plug.
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I want people to come down. We can talk independence. I'm going to have a busker there.
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Apparently a guy wants to come out and play some music for us. So I want to do something special.
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So we're going to do that in a couple of weekends. So I'll let you know about it.
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And if you gave it a plug, that'd be great, but it's a real pleasure to be able to help you out
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with this. Congratulations on the success. Uh, and good to talk to you. Hope to see you again real soon.
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You betcha. Thank you so much for having me, John. Always good to talk.
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Derek Smith, unacceptable fringe. Check him out, of course, on YouTube. You can't miss him, uh,
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with great commentary. Just three shows a week in the evening as well. Monday,
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Wednesday and Friday. Got the big blue mug of coffee. I tip it to you, Derek. And if you like
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