$486 BILLION？! Carney’s First Budget BLOWS Past Expectations
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Candice is joined by Chris Sims, Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and co-host of The Candice Malcolm Show, to discuss Andrew Lawton's maiden speech to the House of Commons. Chris and Candice discuss the new Prime Minister's new budget, Andrew's comments on the Liberals' renewed sense of Canadianism, and what it means to be a Canadian now that Andrew is in office.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode. Happy
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Friday, everyone. Hopefully you have a wonderful weekend planned ahead of you. I'm very pleased
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to be joined by one of my favorite guests here on The Candice Malcolm Show, talking
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about Chris Sims. She is the Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. And
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Chris, you co-hosted our, or you helped co-host our election night show. So I think you were
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on at the very beginning, and then like eight hours later, you did the last hour with us.
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So, fun bookend on that end. But I want to first welcome you to the show. We're going
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to talk about Carney's spending plan, which is unbelievable. But first, we thought we would
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share this with the audience. Andrew Lawton, former journalist and colleague here with me
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and at True North. He is now a member of Parliament, as you know, and he made his maiden speech to
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the House of Commons. He slammed the Liberals' renewed sense of patriotism, saying that he
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was always waving the Canadian flag proudly. Let's play that clip.
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Unlike Liberals who wrap themselves in the flag when it is politically convenient,
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I am not a fair-weather patriot. And we will always, on this side of the aisle, Mr. Speaker,
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stand up for Canada and be proud in our Canadian identity and proud of our country. I do not take
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the fair-weather patriots, those with their newfound celebration of Canadianism, with their flags still
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creased and wrapped in plastic, practically, as they seek to lecture Canadians on what it means
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to be an elbows-up Canadian. Mr. Speaker, I will always and have always waved the Canadian flag
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proudly, and I will not stand by, will those who were denigrating people who did that years ago
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claim to have the moral high ground on what it means to be a Canadian now?
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So, great to see Andrew out there while just doing that job. Chris, what do you make of Andrew's
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election? And I guess since I haven't spoken to you since the election night, what was your
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thoughts on the first few weeks of the Kearney government here?
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Goodness, it's been kind of a wild ride, eh? It seems like all of us have been going kind of
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full throttle with work ever since former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was going to
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eventually be resigning, and I think that was back in January. So, it's been a long bit of work
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here for a lot of the kind of freedom-fighting oriented type people, including people like
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Andrew. So, I know Andrew personally. Back when you and I were at Sun News Network together,
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we used to book him all the time when he had his London talk radio show. It's going back
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a few years now. And so, just as a human being, I'm happy for him as a friend. And what he's
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saying there about the Canadian flag is so true. Even apart from the convoy, like on July 1st,
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I could always count on Andrew. I could go look at his social media feeds and he would
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just be like full of the Canadian flag, like wearing the hat, wearing the dorky sunglasses.
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It was great. So, hearing him actually express himself that way was wonderful. And in a really
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serious note, I know that there's a few things that he really wants to highlight, especially
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for folks who are struggling with mental illness and the options that they have that are beneficial
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for them. I know this is something that's really personally important to him. And as a member
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of parliament, even though he's what's called a newbie or a backbencher or whatever, when
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you start doing committee work or even prep work for folks who are on committees, it gives
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you the ability to really speak to experts and really connect with Canadians from all walks
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of life and start really digging deep on these issues. So, I just wish him all the best
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in that vein. I think he'll be a very responsible member of parliament. Just keep your receipts,
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Well, I was going to say, you went from being your friend to a potential adversary. I know
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that the CTF's job is to keep those guys accountable, responsible, but I have a feeling you'll have
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Yeah. Keeping Andrew honest. Okay. Let's go to the not-so-honest politicians talking about
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the Liberals who have tabled a Trudeau-sized spending plan with more to come. This is really
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unbelievable. So, Carney has tabled a $486 billion spending plan. Remember last week,
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he told us that we weren't going to get a budget. His finance ministers said we weren't
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going to get a budget. They got so much pushback, they decided to table the spending plan. And
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so, here is, I'll read a little bit from Global News. The Carney government presented Parliament
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Tuesday with a plan to spend about the same amount of money in the fiscal year ahead as a
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Trudeau government did in its final year, but $486 billion spending plan is almost certain
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to change when it's updated in the fall, when it's likely to include nearly $24 billion in
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spending commitments for this year that the Liberals promised during the election campaign.
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There was no evidence that the spending plan tabled Tuesday contained, for example, $3.5 billion
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that campaigning Liberals said they would spend this year on trade diversification, corridors
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fund. During the campaign, the Liberals promised to boost CBC's funding by $150 million. But
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in the tabled plan, CBC's budget was up just $42 million. So, presumably, there's more to
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come. Your colleague, Chris, over at the CTF, Franco Terrazzino, said that the federal spending
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in the main estimate nearly doubled in just 10 years. So, in 2016, when Justin Trudeau had
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initially promised that he would just run modest deficits of $10 billion before getting back
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to balance. Back then, it was only $250 billion that we're spending. We're now spending $487 billion.
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He says, somebody take away the credit card. So, what do you make of all this, Chris?
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It's really astonishing. And I don't want to, like, black pill people here, because I know
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that things have been a little rough the last few weeks when they're trying to figure out what
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to fight next and how to, you know, aim for something that's positive. But I got to say,
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this amount of money, like $400 something billion, our national debt is like $1.2, $1.3 trillion.
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So, like, that amount of billions is half a trillion dollars in spending. It is mind-blowing amount of
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money. And what really gets me is that, you know, I don't have very thick rose-colored glasses anymore.
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I've been in the game too long. I'm very skeptical of all forms of government. But when they announced
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that Mark Carney was the frontrunner of the Liberals for leadership, this little teeny tiny spark in me
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thought, well, at least he understands fiscal policy or monetary policy, right? The central banker
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should know how to math the math. But no, the central banker is going to be worse with money
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than the drama teacher. Like, I actually became more disillusioned then. So I'm just hoping that
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because they're at a minority and because we can't spend more money, we can't tax people more, you can't
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get blood out of a stone, that there will be enough Canadians that speak up against these MPs, including
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those Liberal MPs, that there'll be enough pressure put on Carney that some form of common sense deep down
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inside of him will say, you know what, I'm going to take the Paul Martin route of being a Liberal Prime
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Minister or a Liberal Finance Minister. I'm going to take that route, and we're going to start cutting back
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on spending. So I'm really encouraging people just to continue to be in the fight, keep being vocal,
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Well, it's so true. So many people, I think even centrists and blue Liberals, call them, believe that Mark Carney
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was a big enough change from Justin Trudeau and that that was good enough to satiate the need for
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change in the country, partially for what you just described. Like, he's a central banker. He should
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be able to run the country fiscally and responsibly. And you would think that that would be his,
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he'd want that to be his legacy, that his legacy would be he came in, Canada was in big trouble,
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and he seared the ship and got us out of it. But yet, from this plan, it seems like, you know,
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his strategy is really to just double down and do the same thing, which I think is cause for huge
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concern. I want to talk about the consultant spending increases. So here we have the Conservative
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Shadow Minister of Finance saying this on X, saying that Liberal Consulting under Mark Carney has
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surged to $26 billion, up from Trudeau's already bloated $19 billion. Carney says spending is focused
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on investing for Canadians. But is this seriously calling billions in consulting fees an investment?
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This is something I don't understand, right? Because with Justin Trudeau, it's like he grew
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the size of government, he increased the number of bureaucrats, and then simultaneously, he also
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started using consultants, which makes no sense to me, right? Like, why do we need consultants in
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government when we have the bureaucrats? And, you know, as much as we may criticize bureaucrats in
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Canada, it's like, you know, they're earnest people, they show up to do a hard stay work in day in
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and day out, they're committed to their job, they get paid modestly, it's not like they're living high
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lives and getting rich, necessarily. Whereas a consultant, you know, I don't know what kind
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of fees they're charging. And it just seems like an exorbitant expense, $26 billion in consulting when
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we already have a very large civil service in Canada. Like, make it make sense to me, Chris.
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I will try. So first off, on the bureaucrats, they actually do get paid quite a bit. The average
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bureaucrat salary now is about $125,000 per year. I was surprised by that, too. I was assuming it
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would be just under 100 or so because there's going to be like lower level, you know, paperworky
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type people, and then all the way up to like super specialized, like finance people that can think
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in 4D math who put together budgets. But no, the average now is over $125,000. But on your point of
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transparency and accountability, like you're bang on. Like, it is unbelievable that they are contracting
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out work after they have increased the size of the bureaucracy by 99,000 people. Franco just put
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out a news release today, and I made a little joke about it, but I'm Gen X, so he didn't get it.
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I said, oh, it's 99 red Luftballons, right? It's 99,000 more bureaucrats added since 2015,
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since former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau won that election. That's like 100,000 people.
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You're basically taking the population of Red Deer, Alberta, and plunking them in to the bureaucrat
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desks. But on top of that, Candace, exactly what you're saying, they're contracting out apart from
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that. So people who you can't FOIP, okay, you can't get the documents that you would otherwise
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want to get. So say there's some big, fancy, stupid spending project that they're doing.
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Say it's something like the ArriveCan app, okay? When they contract that out to a private company
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or a consultant firm or whatever, and they don't do it in-house, it is much harder to get information
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for taxpayers because they can try to squish around the rules and say, oh, well, you know, it's a client or
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privileged information because we can't give away competitive edge. As if there's like competitive
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edge for government lobbyists and government consultants that ring around the center of
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power in a capital city like Ottawa. Same thing happens in DC. So this is to your point exactly,
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this is unaccountable, it's lacking in transparency, and it's a huge waste of money. If we're hiring
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hand over fist extra bureaucrats for the past 10 years, get them to do the job.
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Why are you contracting out? Unfortunately, we know the reason why. Quite often because power corrupts,
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they'll hand out these contracts to their friends and associates, and it's all on the tax paradigm.
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Well, it really doesn't make sense. Like I'm trying to even think of like an example of like,
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what is it that they use these consultants for? Like, do you have any ideas? Like you have a bureaucracy,
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they're trained, they're specialized, they do the job in and out, day in and day out.
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Like, in what scenario do you need to bring in, you know, a fancy consulting firm to come in? It
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just doesn't make sense to have that. And like I said, it was 19 billion, billion with a B under
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Justin Trudeau. And now it's 26 billion. Is this just like, you know, helping out their liberal friends,
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like the liberal campaign? I mean, do you have any idea of like, what kind of consulting they're doing?
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Great question. So I'll just give you an example from, you know, my own field and your own field.
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They can hire out, for example, comms consultants, and media consultants, right? So they'll get somebody
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in there to do quote unquote, media training, or crisis communication training. And they could
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contract something like that out of just using an example. And so if they could say, teach the prime
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minister or teach the finance minister how to conduct a better interview. Okay, guys,
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people who are director of communications, you're already supposed to be an expert in communications.
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That's literally why you have your job. You also have subordinates or folks who work with you who
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are colleagues, like press secretaries and stuff, who are typically more junior, okay, who are coming
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up through the ranks, but are still good, solid communicators. They've worked in media, they've worked
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on, you know, advocacy organizations, things like that. They've worked both sides of the fence,
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so to speak. They should be good enough to train up this stuff. Apart from really rare instances,
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say, God forbid, there was a disaster or something really bad had happened and it was on the government
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and they really needed to figure out what had happened. Then you can understand why they'd call
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in, say, an investigator, right, or a crisis communications expert. Those are super rare
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instances. Why are we spending more than a billion dollars on consultants? Again, this is what happens.
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It happens red team, blue team. This is an issue of power, okay, and lack of accountability and
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transparency. This is what happens when you have this big pot of taxpayers' money next to no oversight
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and you start handing out contracts and you start getting favors. This is a bad thing for taxpayers.
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It's unbelievable. I mean, I know that there's not a lot of people who are cheering for Donald
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Trump north of the border anymore, but one of the things he did at least was bring in an outsider,
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Elon Musk, to like forensically look at government and look at the low hanging fruit and try to cut it.
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This seems like the lowest hanging fruit possible, $26 billion on consulting. Well, I want to move on over
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to Pierre Polyev. So yesterday, Polyev released a video saying that Mark Carney's spending is even
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worse than Trudeau's despite the Liberals convincing Canadians that they were no longer the party
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of reckless spenders. Let's play that clip. Liberals are masters of symbolism. See,
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in the recent election, to convince people that they were no longer the party of reckless spenders,
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they abruptly replaced a leader who looked like a reckless teenage trust fund baby with a stern
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looking banker. And to be fair, Mr. Carney's spending is not as bad as Trudeau's. It's worse.
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And Mark Carney was elected to bring those costs down. And in the first year after taking office,
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the year when you would expect him to take action against those out of control costs,
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he actually increased them by 8%. In fact, the spending will grow almost three times faster than the
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combined rate of inflation and population growth. It is a half trillion dollar spending bill with no budget.
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Unbelievable. Polyev hits the nail right on the head there. And then earlier today, Polyev spoke to
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reporters. He told them, I think this is the obvious, but this is the right thing, that the Conservatives will
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not vote for this Liberal government spending plan. Let's play that clip.
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It's clear that Mark Carney is even more expensive than Justin Trudeau. This half trillion dollar spending
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bill will drive up inflation, interest rates above and beyond what they would otherwise be. And that is
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why I'm announcing today that Conservatives will vote against this half trillion dollars of inflationary,
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irresponsible, out of control Liberal spending. What do you make of Polyev's response there?
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Well, he's absolutely right. Like we were saying at the top of the show, this is irresponsible. Like,
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I have to stress this. 50% of Canadians, half of our population is within $200 of insolvency every month,
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meaning they're within 200 bucks of not being able to make the minimum payments on their bills.
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That's not paying off your credit card. That's not paying off your line of credit. That is making the
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minimum payment on your bills so that the repo man doesn't show up in your driveway. Half of Canadians are in
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that boat right now. And a huge reason why are twofold. The crazy carbon taxes that they nailed
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us with for 10 years and then conveniently got rid of just before the election. Still happy to see those
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ones kind of gone right now. But two, to Pierre Polyev's point, inflation. The inflation crisis was
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caused by this government's money printing and how crazy they went during the lockdowns. If you do those
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two things at the same time, you lock up businesses, you say you can't, you know, have production anymore,
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you halt the means of production, and you print a whole bunch of money, that is an inflationary storm.
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That is why when we're looking around and we're looking at the prices of stuff now, we're going,
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holy smokes, right? So he's bang on there. I will also point out that he's correct in taking this
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government to task for its overspending, because that is not what they campaigned on. The language
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they were talking about was being more fiscally prudent. That the era of that guy in the sneakers,
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who's showing up, the running shoes in the Senate chamber, like he did during the King's speech,
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that's over. We're down to the adults being back in the room now. You can put over that persona,
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because Prime Minister Mark Carney certainly wasn't wearing running shoes to listen to the King.
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But then you can also, with the numbers, make that match your persona. Why don't they reign in
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spending? Why don't they have their finances match the image that they're trying to put forward here
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with Carney? And again, I'm pleading with him, because he's not a constant seasoned politician,
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so maybe he's not as cynical. Maybe we can appeal, okay, to his own better judgment, because he was the
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Bank of Canada governor under Harper. He was there with the late Jim Flaherty. So he does have
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that teeth cutting. He does have those bones in there somewhere. So let's hope that he kind of
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sobers up and realizes, hey, wait a minute, I'm the smart one in the room. All you goofballs here in
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the cabinet minister, you've been screwing it up for the past 10 years. I'm going to go my own way and
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make more fiscally responsible decisions. I will also point out that Pierre Polyev has my books.
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That's nice to see. That's the Alberta. It's basically the history of Alberta set book that
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was put forward by the Biefeld family and the Western Standard Alberta report kids.
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Wow. Well, I'm glad to hear that he's reading your book. And yeah, hopefully they can have a positive
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influence on Carney because, I mean, during the election campaign, he did run basically as a
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conservative. He took a whole bunch of platform pieces from the conservative tidbits. So I'm
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actually genuinely surprised to see this sort of reckless Trudeau-esque budget. And hopefully your
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advocacy over there at CTF can knock some sense into them. Okay, we're going to go from bad to worse
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when it comes to members of parliament and political parties. Over to the Green Party, Elizabeth May,
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really outdoing herself with this one. She calls for the recognition of gay genocide,
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according to this petition that Elizabeth May has sponsored, it claims that Canada is committing
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2SLGBTQIA plus genocide. Okay. The petition accusing Carney, sorry, accusing Canada of carrying out
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a genocide against the countries. I'm just going to say gay because I don't want to read out that
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acronym again, but you know what I mean. The country's gay community has received support of the
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Green Party leader despite backing the petition. Elizabeth May said that she did not actually mention
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it upon her return. This is according to Blackhawk's reporter. So I didn't understand what they were
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talking about. So I went and I looked at the actual petition itself. Here it is on our Commons website,
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petition E6497. It says, currently the human rights of Canadian gay community are endangered
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by any Canadian organization and political party. We, the undersigned residents of Canada, call upon the
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government to declare the removal of Canadian federal rights and freedoms of the gay target group to be
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considered a form of genocide as a practice diminishes the community of people and therefore should be
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declared illegal by anyone attempting to do so and to ensure that their human rights. So if I get this
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right, they say that their rights and freedoms are being targeted, and that is a form of genocide. I don't even
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know if they have examples. I don't understand what this means. But for some reason, Elizabeth May has decided to
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sponsor this petition. So I'm wondering, Chris, what do you, what do you make of it?
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Okay, so I've been a staffer on the Hill. I've been a parliamentary journalist with mainstream media, too, on the Hill.
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I will say that members of parliament can, can choose which petitions they wish to read aloud,
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no matter what the topic is. It comes from their constituents. Okay, so the area wherever just
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elected her would have then some people or groups of people would have hopefully gotten enough signatures.
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And then the member of parliament, as their representative, can choose to read it aloud or not.
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I will also point out that genocide is, like, big time illegal. Like, that's way up there in the list
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of things that is already very, very illegal in Canada. And I'm not trying to be goofy about this.
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Like, sometimes people don't know the terminology and stuff. That's right up there. It's similar.
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It reminds me, it reminds me of Bill C-63 in a way, because Bill C-63 is the one where it's often
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called the Online Harms Act, which we're expecting them to reintroduce as it had fully been in the last
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parliament. It's called the Online Harms Bill because it purports to protect children online,
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which any decent person wants to do. Okay. And the issue here is that things like,
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God forbid, sharing images of child abuse or doing something heinous, like advocating terrorism online,
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those are already against the law. They're right up there in the criminal code. They take super heavy
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penalties for imprisonment. If you want to increase the sentencing for stuff like that, take it to
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justice. Why do they have it in heritage? And so that's where, when we have wording like this,
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again, people are free to write whatever the petition they want to write. That is part of free
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expression. But I just would urge people to get to know what the laws already are and really focus
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their language if they want to be effective when it comes to things like petitions, because the wording
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of that one was kind of all over the place. Well, yeah, I was reading it and I'm like,
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I don't know that the people understand the meaning of the word genocide. Like,
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genocide was a word that was created for the Holocaust, after the Holocaust, because it was
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so heinous and disgusting what had taken place that they needed a new word that was stronger than
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like any other word that they already had. And so the idea is that it's like, when, like, there's
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like an orchestrated attempt to kill an entire race of people, right? And so like, it doesn't make
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sense. In this context, there's no example of really what they're even talking about. I see on
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here that it only has 296 signatures. So it's just like, it's just like wacky Elizabeth May out there
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grabbing a petition that she had no business grabbing. And then, of course, like, our friends
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over the Rebel News reported it and just made her look really stupid and bad, as she deserved to,
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for promoting something like this. Like, as a member of parliament, you use your position of power,
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you know, to highlight important issues, right? And to make important political statements like
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we saw Andrew Lawton doing at the top. And then you kind of juxtapose that with the crazy lady,
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pretending that because, you know, every time they throw this word around on a site, it kind of like,
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diminishes the actual thing that it is, which is a horrible thing. And it's only happened like a
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handful of times in history, well, at least in modern history. And so this idea that like, okay, because
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you don't think that your rights are being fulfilled in some way, I don't even really understand how
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that that's genocide is just totally absurd. Last word to you.
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I would strongly recommend, and I mean this earnestly, if you're coming at this from a left-wing
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perspective, and you want to stop logging or whatever it is, honestly, be very precise in your
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language. Be exacting in your language. Less is more. Be very clear. A is A. A thing is itself. Okay?
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Read Politics in the English Language by George Orwell. Read some of the shorter books written by
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the late Prime Minister Winston Churchill. Okay? Who can take really complex issues that are charged
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with emotionalism sometimes down into very simple words that people are able to understand and that
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governments can then also act upon. So just some free communications advice. Be very exact with the
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language you're choosing and with the meaning of your words. I will also point out that members of
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Parliament, including Ms. May, are now paid well over $200,000 per year. Tons of their expenses are
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covered. Things like food. So if they're in the House of Commons during the week, a lot of people don't
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know this. They have three hot meals provided to them per day that are all fancy catered. Okay? They're just
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behind the curtains there in the lobbies. They can write off a ton of their expenses. In the case of
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Ms. May, when eventually she no longer is elected or chooses to retire, she's going to be in line for
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a huge pension because she's been in the House of Commons for a long time now. Keep this in mind,
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no matter what your MP is doing, the next time you see them doing something that you disagree
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with, that they're making well over $200,000 plus a lot of plush benefits.
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Well, such a nice lifestyle. And I totally agree. I used to always have our interns and
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new staff read politics in the English language. One of the best parts of that is specifically about
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the word fascism. It says that fascism has no meaning. It's just something that people don't like. And
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there's no—people throw it around without even really understanding what it means. That's 100% true.
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And some sage advice there from Chris Sims. Chris, thanks so much for joining us. Keep up the good
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work over there at the taxpayers. Thanks so much. All right, folks. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll be
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back again on Monday. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.
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