Juno News - September 20, 2024


A carbon tax REVOLT？


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00:00:00.000 I'm really looking forward to going to Strong and Free. It's an event that has held every year.
00:00:04.880 I'm so old that I was at the first Manning event, as they called it. And it was kind of a rubber
00:00:10.300 chicken thing in Ottawa with a bunch of staffers and a bunch of writers. And that was back in the
00:00:15.680 day that Ralph Klein was there. So I got my picture with the premier of Alberta. And it's
00:00:21.140 funny because I'm helping to host Strong and Free this year. And I'm teasing Andrew Lawton,
00:00:25.620 who isn't here because he's out busy, you know, kissing babies and stuff, trying to get elected.
00:00:31.440 Andrew always has this joke. You guys have probably heard it a few times. It's when he says,
00:00:35.700 you know what, I always filled in for Danielle Smith on the radio. So now I'm deputy premier of
00:00:40.480 Alberta. So if I'm filling in for Andrew in Red Deer, I think I'm like third in command or something
00:00:46.740 now for Alberta. So I'm looking forward to that. You're coming as well?
00:00:51.520 Yeah, I'm going for the first time. So I'm really excited. I'm not really sure what to expect,
00:00:56.900 I suppose, but it should be fun. I'm definitely excited to like, you know, just see everyone
00:01:01.360 there and talk to them and get the face to face, you know, better than just sitting behind the
00:01:05.140 screen all day.
00:01:06.060 Yeah, for sure. Actually talking with people in groups is an awesome thing to do.
00:01:09.620 Kazim, are you making the trip over across the Rockies or are you staying home?
00:01:13.020 I'm not. I've actually never been, but I would love to go. Perhaps one day it's going to be held in BC,
00:01:18.860 maybe. Okay. Let's see if we can get out to the promised land, maybe somewhere like Abbotsford,
00:01:24.580 right? Could get you out that way. Yeah. So it's going to be really cool. We're going to be
00:01:28.520 talking about a lot of, you know, smaller government pro-freedom type issues. So we're
00:01:32.040 really looking forward to it. All right, guys, let's get this thing started.
00:01:42.340 Hey there, welcome to Off the Record. My name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the
00:01:46.840 Canadian Taxpayers Federation. I'm joined now by my friends from True North. Thanks for letting me
00:01:51.740 sit in on this. We have so much to talk about. It's been a crazy couple of weeks the last little
00:01:57.600 while. We want to get started on the carbon tax. This is probably my favorite moment with the carbon
00:02:03.560 tax of watching the NDP flee the ship of the carbon tax. Did we want to start with Jagmeet Singh?
00:02:11.000 Awesome. Okay, good. So guys, for the longest time, people probably remember Jagmeet Singh has been
00:02:19.520 propping up the Trudeau government on many issues, including the carbon tax. All this time, he's had
00:02:25.780 his wheels locked on that big orange bus. He's refused to budge. But all of a sudden, the angels
00:02:31.000 sang after their caucus retreat in Montreal. And Jagmeet went and spoke to the reporters. And I'm
00:02:37.120 paraphrasing, here you go, said something along the lines of, you know what, we shouldn't be putting
00:02:41.860 the carbon tax burden on the backs of working people. That's huge. That is a huge reversal of
00:02:49.420 direction. And so while he didn't come right out and say, I'm going to scrap it and blah, blah, blah,
00:02:53.280 I'm going to bring the government down. Even having that bit of daylight in that armor now is a really
00:02:58.620 big deal. And the bigger deal, in my opinion, is that what it caused, it caused an orange earthquake
00:03:05.340 off the west coast in British Columbia. And there, Cosman, where you're sitting,
00:03:10.560 Premier David Eby, NDP Premier David Eby, said, you know what? I'm going to read the headline here.
00:03:16.580 David Eby opens door to ditching carbon tax, comma, blames Trudeau's politicization. Okay,
00:03:23.140 guys, this is really big, because that's where the carbon tax started. That's its origin story in 2008
00:03:30.080 in BC. So to see David Eby suddenly go, oh, wait a minute, the carbon tax is super unpopular. And
00:03:35.760 maybe I will be too in the looming election. Maybe I should reverse direction. What was your take on
00:03:40.240 it? Cosman, did you want to run with this first? Yeah, I just wanted to mention with BC, it was
00:03:45.460 actually the first carbon tax in all of North America, not just Canada. Across North America,
00:03:51.940 BC was the first to introduce this policy in, I think, 2008. So it's been around for quite some time.
00:03:57.800 So for the NDP Premier of British Columbia to come out one year after, he told the NDP caucus at the
00:04:05.900 BC NDP convention that he would never falter. That's his words. He would never falter on the
00:04:12.760 carbon tax as his peers in other provinces were abandoning it by droves. And now here he is passing
00:04:20.140 on the buck to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, because technically, he hasn't fully abandoned it. He said he
00:04:26.880 would only abandon it if the federal government removed the requirement from the provinces to keep
00:04:33.400 a provincial carbon tax because the federal carbon levy doesn't apply to BC. They have their own policy.
00:04:41.840 And it doesn't make sense because if they have their own policy, they can remove it whenever they
00:04:46.800 want. So they don't really rely on the federal requirement. And if they wanted to remove it,
00:04:51.920 who knows how long it would take for the federal government to force the federal levy onto them.
00:04:56.600 So I think he's just washing his hands clean of this thing. And he's putting the blame on Prime
00:05:01.580 Minister Justin Trudeau. This is a really big deal. If I can go back into ancient history for just a
00:05:07.760 second. I was there in 2008 when British Columbia brought in the carbon tax. Back then, it was the BC
00:05:16.140 Liberal Premier, Gordon Campbell, that brought in the first, you're absolutely right, Cosman,
00:05:21.260 carbon tax in all of North America. And back then, it was all the rage. It was so popular that at the
00:05:26.820 time, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger was all over this thing. And at the time, the BC
00:05:34.040 Liberals tried starting the carbon tax by saying, oh, it's going to be revenue neutral. So number one,
00:05:40.640 that revenue neutrality, that only lasted for a very brief time. It only took them a couple of years
00:05:45.440 before they started playing funny business with the budget books. And it was not revenue neutral
00:05:50.080 right around 2010. Around then is when it started. But what's super weird is what goes around comes
00:05:56.700 around. Back then in 2008, if you can believe it, the provincial NDP in British Columbia campaigned
00:06:04.660 against the carbon tax. They called the revenue neutral label lipstick on a pig. They just get this,
00:06:12.120 Isaac. I don't know if you knew this. Their campaign slogan in their 2008-2009 election,
00:06:19.160 axe the tax. No way. Yeah. Pretty wild, eh? Yeah. And this reminds me of something we saw recently
00:06:28.820 here in Alberta, Chris, which I'm sure you'll know, was when the NDP leadership race was occurring just
00:06:34.180 recently. A lot of the candidates were running against the carbon tax. So it seems like whenever
00:06:39.600 an election comes to fruition, these people want to axe the tax until they're elected. And then it's
00:06:46.100 the complete opposite. So I don't really know what that's all about. But maybe John Rustad,
00:06:50.860 he put it better. He said, quote, David Eby has lied to British Columbians before, and he'll do it
00:06:56.740 again. He's flip-flopped on this because he's losing ground. And if reelected, he'll waste no time
00:07:02.760 reversing his position on the tax. British Columbians deserve real leadership, not a premier
00:07:08.240 who changes his stance whenever it suits his political needs. So I mean, yeah, that's really
00:07:13.920 what's going on here, I think, as well. The election's coming up. People hate the carbon tax.
00:07:18.620 Eby knows if he is going into the election supporting the carbon tax, he will likely have
00:07:22.980 no chance. So this both pleases and annoys me at the same time for many reasons.
00:07:28.760 It pleases me because this is when politicians are their most vulnerable. So I'm speaking to
00:07:37.140 everybody here who wants things like the carbon tax scrapped in British Columbia. Push now. Get
00:07:43.500 all of your friends and family out. Make sure that they're registered to vote. Make sure that they
00:07:48.020 vote. Make sure they tell those candidates at the door when they're knocking and trying to sing for
00:07:52.900 their supper exactly what you think of the carbon tax, because they do answer to us. Unfortunately,
00:07:58.760 the only answer to us every four-ish years, although we do have recall legislation both in
00:08:03.460 Alberta and British Columbia, which is a good thing. It's a hard hill to climb. These elections
00:08:07.800 are crucial because all of a sudden, exactly to your point, Isaac, oh my gosh, look around. Look at
00:08:13.260 all this flaming wreckage. Nothing is affordable. All the theory seems to evaporate from these
00:08:18.260 politicians' minds, and all the sanctimony seems to just go out the window. And all of a sudden,
00:08:23.580 they care about things like affordability or not being able to fill up your car with gas. And all
00:08:29.860 of a sudden, someone like David Eby is saying, you know what, I could scrap the carbon tax.
00:08:35.900 To your point here in Alberta, and this is what's also really interesting, is when you see people
00:08:40.740 like Jagmeet Singh, the federal leader of the NDP, and David Eby, the provincial BC leader of the NDP,
00:08:46.980 it's the same party, by the way. They have the same constitution, same organizational structure,
00:08:52.120 everything. You start seeing dominoes fall, and then other NDP politicians kind of have to
00:08:58.000 speak their truth on this issue. We haven't heard from Nahid Nenshi.
00:09:03.340 So, Nahid Nenshi is the newly elected within their party leader of Alberta's NDP. He has not given a
00:09:11.040 straight answer, yes or no, on a provincial carbon tax here in Alberta. Because it's happened before,
00:09:17.240 what happens if there's no federal backstop anymore? Say that Pierre Polyev becomes prime
00:09:22.660 minister, and he keeps his promise, which he has to, to scrap the carbon tax. What's to prevent
00:09:27.340 an Alberta carbon tax from happening here again? Every time a journalist tries nailing Nahid Nenshi
00:09:33.380 down on this issue, yes or no, he evaporates into a cloud of orange smoke. So, he's the last one
00:09:40.380 prominently that I know of, guys, I don't know if you guys have heard, who has not yet said yes or no
00:09:45.960 on the carbon tax. Yeah, and it was actually Manitoba Premier Wab Kinu, who first really came
00:09:53.960 out strongly against the carbon tax. And you're right, it is a domino effect, because it's extended
00:09:59.720 to the federal, to BC, and I think it's going to spread, and the pressure is mounting. But the other
00:10:06.600 angle to this is that I feel like it's a gamble for the NDP, because there's a lot of people in
00:10:12.780 that party, progressives, environmentalists, who see this as a betrayal of one of the fundamental
00:10:19.940 principles that the NDP ran on in the last decade or so. And that group of people has sort of caused
00:10:27.460 the NDP to stray. As you mentioned, from the past, they had this working class, you know,
00:10:32.140 unionist background that actually was opposed to increasing taxes on ordinary people. But this
00:10:38.880 group that has sort of come to the forefront of the NDP, these progressive environmentalists
00:10:44.680 are definitely shaking their heads, thinking, is this the party that we we've helped to transform?
00:10:52.160 And I do think a lot of them think this is a betrayal.
00:10:55.040 Great point. Two things. A lot of them are freaking out. I forgot to mention this off the
00:11:02.340 top, but I don't know if you guys saw, I can't remember his name. But he's I think he's a professor
00:11:07.040 in Winnipeg, Manitoba. He was freaking out when we saw Jagmeet Singh and then David Eby in succession
00:11:14.420 say, you know what, no more carbon tax, it's punishing people, blah, blah, blah. He actually
00:11:18.800 brought up, if I recall correctly, David Suzuki, who mused out loud many years ago about what
00:11:25.020 kind of punishments people should have for saying they're opposed that they opposed carbon taxes
00:11:30.040 and things like that. This professor actually kind of mused out loud, oh, politicians who
00:11:36.240 don't take action on this using that kind of language, but it was in reaction to scrapping
00:11:40.460 carbon taxes. Politicians who do take action on these sort of things, maybe they should
00:11:44.460 stand for crimes against humanity. Like, bro, back away from your phone, go outside, as they
00:11:52.800 say and touch grass. Like, no. And the reason why I'm saying this earnestly, it isn't just
00:11:58.360 because I'm with the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and we know that the carbon tax costs people
00:12:03.440 hundreds and hundreds of extra dollars every single year per year, even with the rebates
00:12:07.860 factored in. That's all clear. But if I can just reach out to these folks who truly think
00:12:14.400 that it's the carbon tax in Canada that is going to save the emissions problem, it's
00:12:20.920 not. It's just not. Even if you took the idea that, say, global emissions are the most critical
00:12:27.400 issue you're facing, keeps you up at night, gets you up in the morning, you're always working
00:12:32.080 on it. The math isn't there, okay? Even if Canada ceased to exist, God forbid, and we stopped
00:12:39.540 eating and growing food and heating our homes, it wouldn't make a dent in global emissions,
00:12:44.460 guys. So this is where I really don't quite understand who they would describe themselves,
00:12:50.480 I think, as hardcore environmentalists. They're missing this big part of the arithmetic problem
00:12:55.160 here. So if we did something big like selling natural gas to places like India, which want
00:13:00.900 to buy it, that should have a big dent, a dampening effect on their very heavy emissions. So why
00:13:08.440 don't we do that instead of mindlessly punishing people financially for filling up their minivan?
00:13:14.180 Yeah, you kind of took the words right out of my mouth, Chris, because I was going to say that,
00:13:17.640 is that Canada could have a much larger effect than reducing their own emissions by providing
00:13:22.840 these other countries like India and China who are burning coal with our clean energy. I mean,
00:13:28.380 you could actually bring the emissions down globally in a notable way, which Canada could in no way,
00:13:33.620 shape or form do on its own being such a minuscule portion of that percentage. And then just a few
00:13:39.600 points I wanted to touch on here before we get off this story was that this for March 26 from a
00:13:46.140 Leger poll said that 73% of British Columbians opposed the carbon tax. This was right before the
00:13:51.640 increase on April 1. And you can imagine that numbers since grown, given opposition to the carbon tax
00:13:56.780 in general has been growing. And then the last thing I'll say was, yeah, conservative leader,
00:14:01.980 Pierre Poilievre, he previously sent David Eby a letter asking for his assistance in halting that
00:14:08.460 carbon tax increase. And Eby said that this was a quote, baloney factory campaign tactic. So now with
00:14:14.800 Eby's recent news, Poilievre did not forget. And he tweeted at him on X and said, quote,
00:14:20.760 who is full of baloney now? I mean, as soon as I saw it, I was laughing.
00:14:25.920 Okay. I missed that. I might have to clue that in an op-ed and I'm already thinking of a stunt
00:14:31.820 handing out baloney sandwiches in front of somebody's lattes. That's pretty good. It's related. Did we
00:14:38.020 want to, so a lot of people are really upset. The right people, frankly, are pretty upset about this
00:14:43.760 reversal coming from the NDP, which by the way, is a wonderful thing, right? Hey, you know, better late
00:14:48.860 than never. I'm super happy earnestly to see politicians saying, you know what? I've had this
00:14:53.860 moment. I've had an awakening. I'm now going to back off. Good. You know why it's good? Because
00:14:58.300 it'll save people a ton of money at the end of the day. So I really hope that this happens.
00:15:03.280 Everybody pick up the phone, call your local MLA, call your local MP, especially if they're NDP
00:15:08.560 and say, you know what? Good job. Back off this carbon tax, full reverse. Don't, you know, don't do it.
00:15:13.840 Scrap the carbon tax. It's a good thing to see, but it's upsetting some people, including
00:15:18.660 the environment minister, Stefan Guibo. Did we want to move on to that fun one?
00:15:23.900 Yeah, fun. Yeah. Okay. So I, I was busy writing an awful lot of columns and letters to our supporters
00:15:29.480 and stuff, because of course the carbon tax story was a huge one for the Taxpayers Federation.
00:15:33.520 And I saw this stuff online. Apparently, Guibo, he's got this video where he's doing the whole,
00:15:39.820 wasn't that a rom-com? I don't watch rom-coms, but apparently there was some rom-com where he's,
00:15:45.140 some dude is standing on a doorstep, sad in the rain, and he's holding up his messaging on these
00:15:50.120 like white pieces of paper. I can't remember. My favorite rom-com is Terminator. So I didn't see
00:15:56.360 it. So, but it's this thing that politicians started doing for a while. It was a trend where
00:16:00.580 they hold up their message on a little piece of white paper. Are we ready to roll that clip?
00:16:05.380 Peter Poliev has been the leader of the Conservative Party for two years, but did you know that he
00:16:10.980 voted 400 times against protecting the environment and Canadians? All he has to offer are empty slogans.
00:16:19.460 He talks about technology as a solution to climate change, but voted against every measure we've put
00:16:25.380 in place to support technological development. What he wants to do is eliminate investments in a cleaner
00:16:31.940 future for Canadians, clean air and clean water. What is his plan? Cut, cut, cut.
00:16:38.100 Okay. Cut. Indeed. Let's answer him and say cut. Okay. Did, apparently that music was part of the
00:16:45.460 original video, just so people know. We did not add that as far as I understand. That was in
00:16:50.180 Gibbo's actual video. A couple of really quick things from a taxpayer's perspective. Every time a
00:16:56.500 politician says investment, he means he's spending your money. The government doesn't have any money.
00:17:02.980 It's all taxpayers money. So the moment a government says investment, he means spend your money. Also,
00:17:09.860 again, if I could just convince him, if he really cares about global emissions, his carbon tax thing
00:17:16.500 ain't cutting it. So you might as well let it go and focus on other things. Isaac and Cosman, who wants to
00:17:21.860 take this one first? Sure. Just on the format of the video, I think it's a gimmick. I'm sure there
00:17:27.540 was some liberal staff or some younger millennial who was like, hey, this would be a great idea. I
00:17:32.420 saw this on TikTok. This might speak to people in a new way, but it comes across as inauthentic.
00:17:39.060 It comes across as forced and it's been, I guess we'll get into this later, but it's a perfect
00:17:45.140 opportunity to meme the entire thing. Yeah. Steven Guibault, I guess he's doing these fads
00:17:52.020 now because he recently did the brat summer too, whatever that was. And kind of thinking along the
00:17:57.060 same lines as you, Chris, the first thing that came to mind when I saw this video and he said that
00:18:02.740 voted 400 times against protecting the environment. I was thinking, how so? Can you show me the data
00:18:08.180 that proves the carbon tax does anything to protect the environment, Steven Guibault? My guess is you
00:18:12.820 can't or you would. We know for a fact that it makes Canadians poorer, despite the Liberals
00:18:18.340 consistently saying that it makes eight out of 10 Canadians richer somehow, which we know to be
00:18:22.420 false. Any Canadian with common sense knows that to be false, along with every document ever released
00:18:27.780 on the carbon tax proving it to be false. So the carbon tax makes us poor and it somehow helps the
00:18:34.260 climate when we know the number one way to improve any large populace's carbon footprint is by making
00:18:40.100 them richer. How come our emissions have skyrocketed during the carbon taxes tenure? Well, when people
00:18:46.820 are poor, their only concern is putting food on the table and keeping the lights on by any means necessary.
00:18:52.580 So they're not at the luxury of making decisions that might be more eco-friendly.
00:18:57.380 Amy Quibault
00:18:58.260 Cosman
00:18:58.740 No, I totally agree. And I think they're backed into a corner. They're trying to throw everything
00:19:06.100 against the wall that they can and hoping it sticks. They've tried to rebrand the carbon tax. You guys
00:19:12.020 have described it as fairly as putting lipstick on a pig, which is true. I heard recently they're also
00:19:18.660 looking in more ways to try to advertise the carbon tax to Canadians, but we're past that point.
00:19:24.260 Canadians hear about the carbon tax every single day and it's not in a positive light. A marketing
00:19:30.820 campaign where you're going to spend who knows what amount of taxpayer money on consultants and
00:19:37.540 marketers and PR officials is not going to help you get out of this mess. We're past that point.
00:19:43.700 The carbon tax as a policy is dead in Canada, but the liberals need to stop waving that corpse around.
00:19:52.340 It's like weekend at Bernie's, right? You know, they're walking around with the corpse of the carbon
00:19:56.340 tax and hoping nobody notices that this thing is, has passed away.
00:19:59.940 Amy Quibault
00:20:00.420 It's still good. It's still good. I think it's, I think it's $7 million that they're spending
00:20:06.500 advertising the carbon tax as if, you know, people are just too stupid to understand how awesome the
00:20:12.500 carbon tax is. Let's spend their money convincing them about it. Like, no, no, just put a fork in it.
00:20:19.300 It's done to your issue on the emissions. Yeah. Even the government's own data on emissions is a
00:20:26.260 disaster because emissions keep on going up. Not every single year, year over year, but quite steadily
00:20:32.580 in Canada, even since we first got carbon taxes back in 2008. And if I recall correctly in British
00:20:39.540 Columbia, for example, again, the origin story of the carbon tax, I think they were supposed to bring
00:20:45.700 down emissions by 30% below 2007 levels by 2020. I think they were up like 2.5%, like huge fail, huge.
00:20:57.860 And if I can get into this a little bit more, it isn't because people don't care about the environment,
00:21:04.260 as some of these politicians seem to think like it's all about them and you failed me. No, it's because
00:21:10.980 normal working people do not have an affordable, abundant alternative energy source to switch to.
00:21:19.700 You have not ticked all those boxes, politicians. So if somebody needs to drive their kid to work
00:21:25.380 or keep their chicken barn heated, which by the way, farmers pay carbon tax on that. It's going to cost
00:21:29.940 them a billion dollars by 2030. PBO did that number. People need to keep their homes heated. They need to
00:21:36.980 get to work. If they don't have something they can switch to that is reliable and affordable and there,
00:21:44.340 they can't. They're just backed into a corner. And so I'll put a fork in it this way, when it comes to
00:21:50.420 the hypocrisy of politicians pushing this carbon tax. Back in 2008, when it started in BC, and I hope to see
00:21:57.060 that thing gone, they said it was going to stop at $30 a ton, that it was going to be revenue neutral, that it was going
00:22:04.580 to create a plethora of affordable alternative energy sources, and that it was going to make emissions
00:22:10.420 go down. None of those things is true. None. Which is why you see so many people against the carbon tax.
00:22:17.940 You guys were saying that it's created memes. Now I'm showing my age. Does this mean that they have
00:22:24.180 to freeze the video and then white out what he said and then put their own messaging in there? Can you
00:22:31.780 explain this to me? Yeah, that's pretty much it. People just Photoshop out the messages on the cards.
00:22:38.260 But some people left the cards on, like the empty slogans one, and they just took a screenshot of that,
00:22:43.860 which is perfect because that's all the liberals have been about with the carbon tax and the environment.
00:22:49.300 That one's pretty good. Oh, that's going to upset him though. He's going to say that that's
00:22:55.700 misinformation that he loves you too. Brenda, taxes make the weather good. Oh goodness. So again,
00:23:02.180 that's pretty good. And again, it's one of those comms things, right? Like if you're getting, if you're
00:23:06.660 the staff and you're the director of communications and you're getting your boss to do that, you should
00:23:11.540 see that coming. Don't hold up a blank piece of paper. Same thing with ladies. Don't wear a green dress.
00:23:19.300 Cause that'll make you like the, they can apparently like make you wear whatever after
00:23:23.300 that, or just have your head floating there. So those are always really fun inside tips.
00:23:27.940 Um, so that's a lot of fun. Did we want to get to a much more serious situation here actually
00:23:32.740 with the NDP leader on Parliament Hill? Okay. So as far as I understand, this is a couple of days ago.
00:23:40.020 This is, I worked on Parliament Hill for 20 years. Um, this is on Parliament Hill. This looks like it's
00:23:45.860 right outside of West block, which by the way, is where the house of commons is right now,
00:23:51.060 because center block, the peace tower one that everybody's used to thinking of with Parliament
00:23:54.820 Hill, that's been under renovation construction forever. No, I don't know how much it's costing us.
00:24:00.260 I'm scared to look. So that's under construction. So the house of commons that you see on question
00:24:05.060 period is actually over in kind of a side building, which is still up on the hill called West block.
00:24:10.260 And as far as I understand, this is a confrontation between some person, like an average person on
00:24:16.900 the street and NDP leader Jagmeet Singh, where they get into a pretty stern verbal confrontation.
00:24:25.780 Let's play the video.
00:24:30.740 When you vote a non-confident tonight, if it came out, corrupted bastard.
00:24:38.420 Want to say something?
00:24:39.380 What? Want to say something?
00:24:40.420 Can you say nothing?
00:24:41.300 What does it mean?
00:24:41.940 What does it mean?
00:24:42.980 You got something to say?
00:24:44.100 I didn't say corrupted bastard, but I said...
00:24:45.620 Is that what you said?
00:24:46.180 No, no.
00:24:46.580 I did not say that.
00:24:47.380 Who said it?
00:24:48.260 Who said it?
00:24:48.900 Somebody behind me said that.
00:24:50.020 Was it me?
00:24:50.740 Was it you?
00:24:51.300 No.
00:24:51.780 You sure?
00:24:52.260 If it was me, I'd admit it, buddy.
00:24:53.620 Was it you or not?
00:24:54.580 If it was me, I'd admit it.
00:24:55.940 What'd you say then?
00:24:56.900 I didn't say nothing.
00:24:57.620 It wasn't me.
00:24:58.020 It was a gentleman behind me, I guess.
00:24:59.220 Who is it then?
00:24:59.700 Point it out.
00:25:00.180 I have no idea who it was, buddy.
00:25:02.100 My word.
00:25:02.580 You sure it's not you?
00:25:03.540 No.
00:25:03.860 A hundred percent.
00:25:04.500 You're a coward.
00:25:05.140 You're not going to say it to my face.
00:25:06.180 That's what's up.
00:25:07.380 Say what?
00:25:07.780 You didn't say it to my face.
00:25:08.420 If I said something like that to you, I'd admit it.
00:25:11.060 All right.
00:25:11.380 Now, I asked you if a confidence vote came up to you.
00:25:15.300 Without agreement.
00:25:18.340 So that was looking like it was getting pretty tense.
00:25:20.580 That is Parliament Hill security that you could see there kind of standing ready.
00:25:25.620 So in law enforcement, they were within like a lunge reach of getting in between those guys,
00:25:31.780 just from my own knowledge and experience.
00:25:33.540 I will say as a long time advocate for political activism, everybody's got to be careful.
00:25:42.820 Don't get into a physical confrontation with people.
00:25:45.940 I don't care what your politics are.
00:25:47.860 Because one, it's wrong.
00:25:49.940 Two, you're going to damage your message.
00:25:54.180 It doesn't matter if you are like the most left wing person who wants to only eat organic
00:25:58.420 soy for the rest of your life or the most right wing person who wants, you know, concealed carry.
00:26:03.780 Don't care.
00:26:05.380 Be really careful getting into physical type situations.
00:26:10.740 Because if you do, you're going to damage your own message.
00:26:14.740 We have got so much power politically here in Canada that is firm but peaceful
00:26:21.220 that we got to keep our P's and Q's crossed here.
00:26:23.700 Who wants to take this one away?
00:26:29.780 I don't know.
00:26:30.500 Did we want to watch that second Charlie Angus clip as well?
00:26:34.500 Oh, that's right.
00:26:35.140 He did respond to it.
00:26:36.260 So this is Charlie Angus, a long time member of Parliament with the New Democrats.
00:26:41.380 And he's being asked by a member of the Parliamentary Press Gallery.
00:26:44.020 I can't quite hear her voice, so I can't tell who it is.
00:26:46.820 He's being asked about it though.
00:26:48.020 Let's listen.
00:26:49.060 Charlie, can you just talk to us about what happened to Mr. Singh and what your concerns are?
00:26:53.140 Well, we have the leader of a national party stepping out in a parking lot on Parliament
00:26:58.100 Hill and facing a confrontation and having to be there by himself while security stands and watches him.
00:27:04.740 We're dealing right now with an increasingly dangerous and toxic mix for politicians of all stripes.
00:27:11.860 I've had to run many gauntlets where I just have not felt safe at all.
00:27:15.540 And I mean, I've got a pretty thick skin.
00:27:19.060 I think what we've seen is a ramping up of the politics of intimidation from the Conservatives.
00:27:23.700 They amplify the language.
00:27:25.780 They feed the rage threats.
00:27:27.780 The last threat that I just dealt with that I'm dealing with police,
00:27:31.060 the person who came at me was basically quoting Pierre Pauliev and Daniel Smith.
00:27:35.860 You know, Liberal voters aren't threatening me to kill me.
00:27:38.580 So, a couple of things.
00:27:43.540 I've interviewed Mr. Angus many times, long time member of Parliament.
00:27:47.460 He knows the game.
00:27:48.340 He knows the deal on Parliament Hill.
00:27:50.740 I have personally witnessed people getting too far into other people's faces,
00:27:56.580 for real, on any side of the political spectrum.
00:27:59.700 I was actually, when I was a Sun News Network reporter out in New Brunswick,
00:28:03.780 I actually had to give a deposition in court, which led to a conviction.
00:28:08.740 Because what many would describe as a left-wing group were threatening to lock me in my car,
00:28:14.820 drag me out, and burn it.
00:28:16.900 That resulted in convictions.
00:28:18.900 So, nobody has the monopoly on going too far and crossing lines when it comes to politics,
00:28:25.380 left or right.
00:28:26.580 And so, my main sentence will be here.
00:28:29.140 We have got so much power as Canadians in Canada.
00:28:32.580 Make sure we keep it on this side of the good line.
00:28:35.300 Because otherwise, it gets misconstrued, and then people get a bad rep.
00:28:40.340 Who wants to jump in on this, Isaac or Cosman?
00:28:43.940 I can go.
00:28:44.980 Yeah, a few things, I think.
00:28:46.820 Firstly, I mean, you know Angus better than me, obviously, Chris.
00:28:50.340 But I was surprised how critical he was of the security there.
00:28:54.580 Because he was just basically, he spent half the clip, maybe portions we didn't see,
00:29:00.660 but just critiquing the security for letting that even happen,
00:29:03.860 and not just getting in between them immediately, I suppose.
00:29:06.980 But maybe they were less concerned because of the way Singh turned around.
00:29:11.220 He looked like an MMA fighter, I thought.
00:29:13.300 And I was reading online that I guess he's a pretty high-level jiu-jitsu practicer, let's call it.
00:29:20.020 So I do think if the pedestrian were more aggressive, they all seemed pretty passive.
00:29:25.300 The security would have stepped in.
00:29:26.580 But I definitely took that as a surprise with Angus there.
00:29:31.140 Although that may be coming from, obviously, we've seen some pretty scary things happening
00:29:36.340 with politicians recently, especially in the States with Donald Trump.
00:29:40.020 Obviously, he recently survived two assassination attempts.
00:29:43.300 So you'd think that security, given what was happening down there,
00:29:47.700 would be more prudent with these kind of things and probably wouldn't have let it get to this level.
00:29:51.620 So maybe that's what Angus was thinking.
00:29:55.540 And then just touching briefly on what Singh said, I was surprised because he said,
00:29:59.300 you're a coward to that guy.
00:30:00.740 And I'm surprised the man didn't respond and say, well, have you looked in the mirror, Jagmeet?
00:30:05.540 You're the one propping up the Liberal government, who you claim to hate,
00:30:08.500 who you spend every day critiquing.
00:30:11.220 Who's the real coward here?
00:30:12.500 I think, yeah, I think it's important to note that this wasn't a physical confrontation.
00:30:20.020 It was an unbecoming comment from somebody there, but we don't know who.
00:30:24.660 It doesn't really show in the camera.
00:30:26.260 And it was Jagmeet Singh that turned around and approached this individual,
00:30:30.180 got in his face and tried to act intimidating.
00:30:34.340 We can't talk about possibilities.
00:30:36.020 Where could have this gone?
00:30:37.300 But it didn't go anywhere.
00:30:39.300 It wasn't a physical confrontation.
00:30:41.460 There was no violence involved.
00:30:43.380 And Charlie Angus, one of the most divisive MPs of the NDP caucus,
00:30:50.580 he's talking about, oh, look, the conservatives are doing this and that.
00:30:54.020 They're trying to raise the temperature on things and immediately goes into a divisive
00:30:58.260 attack against the conservatives.
00:31:00.500 I actually looked on his YouTube page about a week ago.
00:31:03.380 He was in Colombia in Bogota at the Pan American Conference.
00:31:07.700 This is a video he posted, and he used that opportunity with a delegation of MPs, including
00:31:13.540 liberal MPs, to blast conservative politicians.
00:31:16.740 He says there's a threat of the far right enveloping the world and all this stuff.
00:31:21.540 So this is a guy who I think has an element of hypocrisy, and he's using this incident
00:31:27.380 for political gain.
00:31:28.580 And I don't buy it.
00:31:29.540 It wasn't a violent confrontation.
00:31:32.100 It was some bad language.
00:31:33.620 And Jagmeet Singh was right to be offended by somebody calling him those words and putting
00:31:39.380 that to him.
00:31:40.020 But let's just be real about what happened.
00:31:42.580 It wasn't a true threat to the safety of Jagmeet Singh.
00:31:47.300 And I think there's a lot of falsities in what Charlie Angus said.
00:31:50.740 He said that the security was just watching by.
00:31:53.700 As you mentioned, Chris, they were within arm's reach.
00:31:56.340 They could have intervened.
00:31:57.700 Jagmeet Singh, everybody there was safe.
00:32:01.620 It's one of those situations, again, just to clarify for people who haven't been to Ottawa,
00:32:06.740 that's public land.
00:32:08.420 So you as a peaceful citizen have a right to stand there and speak your mind, to protest,
00:32:16.900 to put up a sign, as long as it isn't, you know, trying to incite violence or something.
00:32:21.300 You have a right to be there as part of free expression.
00:32:24.180 Like you own that property.
00:32:26.340 Again, though, I will caution people, make sure you keep it on the right side of the line,
00:32:30.980 on the correct side of the line, because otherwise things will escalate.
00:32:35.940 And then your entire purpose, whatever it is, like I said, organic food or gun rights,
00:32:42.900 whatever it is, will then get kind of colored in that same light based on what happens.
00:32:49.700 This is how narratives start.
00:32:51.380 It's literally on Parliament Hill with the Parliamentary Press Gallery right there,
00:32:55.540 which is where narratives start.
00:32:58.100 So again, getting back actually to our original topic really briefly with the carbon tax,
00:33:02.420 I just want to use it as an example.
00:33:04.660 Okay, so you can peacefully send emails and phone calls and letters and go to rallies for years.
00:33:11.140 It does take a while.
00:33:12.740 And then all of a sudden, an election comes up, you achieve your goal.
00:33:16.980 Okay, no pushes or shoves happened, you achieve your goal.
00:33:21.700 That is really one of the most beautiful things about Canada's participation in politics.
00:33:26.260 And that's what we mean by get off the bench, get in the arena, make sure you're active.
00:33:30.420 And so again, I just wanted to put a caution flag down on this free communications advice,
00:33:35.300 folks, free activism advice, make sure you keep your powder dry on this stuff.
00:33:39.620 Did we want to get to debt?
00:33:40.980 Or did we still want to chat about what happened on Parliament Hill?
00:33:44.500 Yeah, no, I think we can move on to debt, which I can discuss here if we want.
00:33:48.660 Really briefly, I understand why people are mad.
00:33:54.020 I understand why the common person is ticked off.
00:33:56.820 And I think it would benefit political leaders to really listen to people.
00:34:02.580 Don't dismiss them when they're saying things like I can barely pay my rent.
00:34:08.020 Half of Canadians are within 200 bucks of not being able to make their minimum payments,
00:34:11.940 minimum payments on their bills.
00:34:14.340 We have record demand for food banks.
00:34:16.580 These are all real things.
00:34:18.980 And if you keep dismissing people, saying that doesn't matter, people are going to get mad.
00:34:24.980 And the debt is a perfect example.
00:34:27.300 We have now officially doubled our debt.
00:34:29.940 It's, I think, $1.2 trillion.
00:34:33.220 Yeah, so just a quick point.
00:34:35.140 I wanted to add there's no self awareness, no self reflection from the NDP who propped up the
00:34:41.380 liberal government, they point fingers at everybody else, except for themselves, never any single
00:34:49.700 moment of self reflection.
00:34:52.500 Until an election comes around, and then hopefully we can get them singing from the right hymn book.
00:34:56.740 So, Isaac, you wanted to jump in on the debt?
00:34:58.980 Yeah, so this actually came from calculations done by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation,
00:35:04.660 that the national debt officially reached $1.232 trillion on August 30th.
00:35:10.260 And when I saw this news, it was shocking.
00:35:12.340 There's something about the word, or the number, let's say a trillion dollars.
00:35:16.340 It's hard to even conceptualize that amount of money.
00:35:20.180 So, yeah, when Justin Trudeau first took office in November 2015, Canada's federal debt was $616
00:35:26.740 billion, so now we've officially doubled.
00:35:29.700 And as debt has doubled, so too has food insecurity.
00:35:34.100 Housing costs have increased about 63%, and crime had increased too.
00:35:39.380 So by 2023-24, the federal debt had reached $1.215 trillion, so we're getting very close.
00:35:46.020 But then the CTF who provided me with their calculations show that the debt has been
00:35:50.100 increasing $39.8 billion a year, which is $109 million a day.
00:35:55.140 So this was the way that this was calculated, that the debt officially doubled on the 30th of August.
00:36:01.540 And according to your organization, Chris's federal debt clock, the debt costs each Canadian $31,000.
00:36:09.860 And more importantly, perhaps interest charges on that debt will cost $54 billion this year.
00:36:16.020 The PBO, the Parliamentary Budget Officer, he actually revealed that the Liberals won't
00:36:20.020 balance the budget until 2040.
00:36:21.860 And in that interim, the debt interest charges will cost Canadians almost $850 billion.
00:36:28.660 I mean, this is insane.
00:36:31.220 This coming out of the federal government.
00:36:32.660 However, some provinces have seen good news recently with their most recent fiscal updates,
00:36:40.740 most recently coming from New Brunswick, who saw their surplus reach over double the initial
00:36:45.700 projections for this fiscal year. So now they're at $500 million.
00:36:51.460 That followed shortly after Alberta's fiscal update, where their surplus
00:36:56.420 rose almost sevenfold by $2.5 billion from their initial projections.
00:37:01.540 And just a quick converse, now going back to BC, their deficit rose, which is not good,
00:37:08.580 $1.1 billion to $9 billion. So we see all these provinces excelling, and then BC doing the exact
00:37:17.300 opposite. So I don't know what's going on in BC, but things are definitely going from bad to worse
00:37:21.620 over there.
00:37:22.100 Yeah.
00:37:22.820 Poor Cosmin.
00:37:23.700 Yeah. Cosmin, what do you think about that?
00:37:27.060 Well, with the BC stuff, it's, it's outstanding because like they, they spend all of this money
00:37:32.580 and federally, right? And we're getting worse outcomes. What are we spending money for when
00:37:39.060 opioid addiction is high? All the deaths are going up. When you have homelessness going up,
00:37:45.060 people can't afford homes. The outcomes are not matching the amount of money we're dumping into
00:37:51.140 programs that have been proven ineffective. And it's astounding. And just to jump back to
00:37:56.980 the carbon tax, I think a reason that premier David Eby doesn't want to
00:38:02.660 wholly write off the carbon tax and shut it down is because he knows he needs to collect that money
00:38:08.500 to pay for all of these programs that he's introducing before the election to get reelected.
00:38:13.380 He wants to keep it around because it's a nice cash cow for his government to keep spending money.
00:38:18.660 And we're not only in a deficit, we're getting into debt for all spending, which is even worse.
00:38:25.220 Yeah. Big time to give you some, uh, parameters on the amount. Cause like you said, it's hard to
00:38:31.300 imagine a trillion. So Scrooge McDuck style, if you had a big vat full of loonies, okay. And you're
00:38:38.980 swimming around in the loonies and you started counting them for the debt, it would take you 30,000
00:38:45.620 years to count to 1 trillion. That is how much federal debt we're in. I know my skin's crawling.
00:38:52.420 It's really bad. Um, as far as, uh, nine, $9 billion, uh, deficit we're looking at in BC.
00:39:01.380 Quick calculation. That would pay the annual salary of 45,000 paramedics and 45,000 cops.
00:39:09.220 Not kidding. Or if you don't want to do that, say 45,000 carpenters, whatever makes $3,000 a year,
00:39:17.540 really easy way to do that math. That is brutal. Um, as far as the federal debt goes again,
00:39:24.180 doubling the debt. So just kind of visualize that like picture all the previous prime ministers,
00:39:30.580 like Harper, Mulroney, the first Trudeau, even Diefenbaker, Pearson, all the way back down the
00:39:37.460 railroad to Sir Johnny McDonald. Okay. Picture all of their governments and their debts through
00:39:44.100 times of world wars and depressions, you name it, bad stuff happening. Picture all that debt,
00:39:50.660 double it. That's what this current incarnation of the Trudeau government has done in less than a
00:39:56.180 decade. It's astonishing. And just touching briefly on what you mentioned there, um,
00:40:02.740 Cosman, I saw that the BC government was expected to collect $2.6 billion in revenue from the carbon
00:40:08.820 tax this fiscal year. Uh, so I don't know what they're going to do losing that key source of income
00:40:16.180 and their deficit is climbing. Uh, yeah, Chris, how, how are they going to supplement $2.6 billion in
00:40:20.980 revenue? I mean, you can't just pull that out of thin air. They can stop wasting money
00:40:25.940 and they can lower their taxes so that more people can afford to live there.
00:40:30.340 And so then they move there and then their income taxes increases their pot. It's amazing what happens
00:40:36.740 when politicians actually clue in and realize that if they get, if they lower, reduce regulations and cut
00:40:42.980 taxes, people come there. It's like a beacon. People come there and with them, they bring their jobs,
00:40:49.060 they bring their small businesses, they pay their income taxes and all boats rise. It really,
00:40:54.020 I'm a born British Columbia and born and raised there. I worked out in Mordor for a long time
00:40:58.260 in Ottawa, but now here I am in Alberta. Um, BC has no business running a $9 billion deficit. They
00:41:05.460 don't, they are literally sitting on gold mines. Like they have got all of the natural resources.
00:41:12.420 Like it should embarrass them how much riches they have beneath their feet. It is,
00:41:16.980 and they've got a young, hardworking population, lots of families there ready to roll up their
00:41:22.100 sleeves and do stuff. Like it is just offensive that the BC government has run a $9 billion deficit.
00:41:29.460 They've got no excuses. Um, did we want to get onto, um, mortally embarrassing me or do we want to wait?
00:41:37.460 So the department of national defense, um, I can't even, so they're apparently buying supplies for
00:41:45.380 certain rooms that may or may not need them. My entire point in this is that, okay, just briefly,
00:41:52.020 I'm very rodeo girl, but I've got a strong Marilla Cuthbert streak in me. So this segment might kill
00:41:58.260 me. So if I die, um, this YouTube video will probably go viral and it's all for the greater
00:42:03.780 good. Who wants to take this away? Gentlemen. Sure. I can, I can, uh, brief it pretty quickly.
00:42:10.740 Okay. Uh, so essentially in December, the federal government introduced changes,
00:42:16.340 a directive essentially under the labor code that required all federally regulated workplaces,
00:42:22.180 including crown corporations, et cetera, to supply, uh, all washrooms, including men's rooms with
00:42:28.820 feminine hygiene products. And the big attention was on the military. So we have military bases across
00:42:38.100 Canada where the men's rooms have tampon and pad dispensers. And we had an a tip we received
00:42:45.140 recently that showed, well, first of all, there was, as soon as this directive went into place,
00:42:50.580 there was incidents of vandalism. People were removing the, the receptacles from the wall. They
00:42:56.020 were, you know, putting question marks on it, drawing like little things on onto these things,
00:43:01.300 showing their protest against this government decision. But the department of national defense,
00:43:07.540 a tip showed that they actually wanted to investigate this as a hate crime. So they prompted the
00:43:14.820 military police, uh, particularly the hate crime and extremism unit and send several complaints about
00:43:21.860 this act. What I think is essentially an act of protest against the government directive.
00:43:26.820 And fortunately the military police said, this is nonsense. There's no evidence that this is actually
00:43:33.140 constitutes any sort of hate crime rather than just vandalisms and petty, you know, theft, if you want
00:43:39.460 to call it that because they were disappearing. But the funniest part of the story was that military
00:43:44.340 officials actually misinterpreted these tampons disappearing as, uh, indicative of high demand
00:43:51.380 and high use. So one janitor was refilling the tampon dispensers in the men's room twice a day
00:43:58.020 because he was so stunned that they were, you know, flying off the shelf. All the male soldiers and cadets were
00:44:04.980 taking these home with them or, or, or presumably using them. I hope that what happened to these
00:44:11.300 products that went missing was that they were, you know, taken home to their spouses or even better
00:44:17.460 donated to women's shelters. I think that's the, would be the, uh, fairytale ending of this, this story.
00:44:25.540 Yeah. Those are good things to hope for. I'd say, Cosmin, you know, just thinking about that,
00:44:30.500 someone arriving in that conclusion that, uh, the demand is so high that you have to refill it twice
00:44:35.300 a day in the men's bathroom of a military base, where historically these are very masculine men
00:44:41.460 as you'd want your army to be, uh, not whomever would be using tampons in a men's room. So it just
00:44:49.380 makes me think that they didn't even think, stop to think about it for a second, because if they had,
00:44:54.100 I I'd assume that they'd immediately arrive at the conclusion that any sane person would,
00:44:59.300 that these tampons are clearly being discarded. So, I mean, reading those quotes in your article,
00:45:05.220 when I was reading your exclusive there, Cosmin, I mean, I laughed out loud literally because I
00:45:09.140 couldn't believe that, that they had arrived at that conclusion. And Chris, just to get you involved,
00:45:15.300 uh, I think there is a spending element to this story. We don't know the exact cost of this, but
00:45:20.820 it just makes me wonder, like how many people does this affect? I'm sure there's
00:45:25.220 a few of like a, a small percentage of people who actually might be using these for legitimate
00:45:30.260 purposes, but all that money that, that goes to maintaining stock to, you know, install,
00:45:35.940 getting janitors to install these things and, and the maintenance, et cetera, the supplies,
00:45:42.420 how, like we could be spending that money on soldiers who, who have to buy their own equipment
00:45:47.940 while on military, uh, missions abroad, uh, on bettering the situation of military families who
00:45:55.300 can't find housing. These are like central problems that the military is facing. And I think it would
00:46:01.300 do more for recruitment to address things like, you know, treating our military families and veterans
00:46:07.300 with respect than this, you know, superficial ideologically inclined sort of woke equity initiative that,
00:46:15.380 like, it's like, what is this? Like, it seems to be a bandaid on a problem that is systemic and, and
00:46:21.780 really is at the foundation of what's going on with the Canadian armed forces.
00:46:26.100 I think we had a recent example. I can't remember the numbers on it where they weren't even able to
00:46:30.980 source proper sleeping bags for the armed forces, uh, guys and gals because they weren't temperature
00:46:36.820 appropriate. And somebody said just a beautiful line, which I want to use all the time at the CTF.
00:46:42.020 Why didn't they just go to Canadian tire? And it's exactly that sort of question. I'm serious.
00:46:47.780 That applies to all of this. The government is really bad at doing stuff like really bad.
00:46:54.980 They couldn't organize a two car parade as Milton Friedman put it. If you put them in charge of the
00:47:00.100 Sahara desert in about a year, they'd have a shortage of sand. So this is just the worst way,
00:47:06.020 obviously to go about something that they think is a problem. They can't find a proper solution that,
00:47:10.900 you know, helps everybody involved. And I'm just cringing for many reasons, but also cringing at
00:47:17.460 the price tag. Uh, Cosman, have you filed, or are you going to file a tips or FOIs to find out the,
00:47:22.820 the price tag on this thing? Yeah, I think that's the intention. We should definitely
00:47:28.500 look into that. And I suspect it'll, it'll be pretty pricey. I've heard also from people at these
00:47:35.300 bases that they're not even resupplying these anymore because of these incidents. They've kind
00:47:40.500 of given up, you know, the, they followed the directive, installed the actual dispenser there.
00:47:45.460 But by this point, some bases seem to have just given up on the entire thing, which I think would
00:47:51.140 probably be the best thing is just cut your losses by this point. It's not, uh, you know, there are other
00:47:56.900 ways to address an issue like that than, than just doing this wholesale. Every single base needs this.
00:48:03.220 To your point on that. Um, and again, I think this is where, uh, some folks get caught up in intention.
00:48:09.540 Um, so for example, with the whole school food program that the Trudeau government is trying to
00:48:14.100 push through, yes, it's going to be a colossal waste of money and a disaster. We know that because
00:48:18.580 the government's trying to do something. So everybody just, you know, take the retail price,
00:48:23.220 quadruple it and, you know, put in some shady deals there and you've got a government situation.
00:48:28.500 My point here though, is actual outcome without the government involved. So for example, with the
00:48:34.980 school food program, we've got this like parents who ever hear about a kid that is hungry at school.
00:48:43.140 Oh my gosh. Like the, the office is covered in sandwiches and milks and granola bars and
00:48:49.860 moms and dads pack extra sandwiches for their kid's buddy at school. Like church groups get involved.
00:48:55.380 Faith groups get involved, like local solutions that are earnest and heartfelt work, work. We do not
00:49:04.580 need the federal government from, you know, 30,000 feet up trying to solve a problem with taxpayers' money
00:49:13.380 and failing at it because it's obviously failing too. So it's failing and it's wasting taxpayers' money
00:49:20.260 and it's just upsetting a lot of people. So again, I think it's a good comparison between something
00:49:25.140 that could be arguably well-intentioned, which then goes way off the rails because they aren't
00:49:29.700 directly connected on the ground to the issue. Is that enough fun for today?
00:49:35.780 I think so. I had fun. I mostly did. I didn't die. I'm glad I'm still breathing and talking.
00:49:44.100 Okay guys, if anybody wants more information, of course, go to the True North website and you can
00:49:49.540 read all of these awesome articles. You saw all the screenshots up there. If you want to completely
00:49:54.500 nerd out on the carbon tax, head on over to taxpayer.com. We did like so many articles on this
00:50:00.420 over the last 10 years. Folks can read up on things like emissions and how much it's actually costing you.
00:50:05.540 And folks, thank you so much for tuning in. Thanks for all of your comments online. Be sure to keep
00:50:10.580 them coming. And until next time, remember all of this is off the record.
00:50:24.660 Thank you. I almost died.
00:50:28.820 I thought I'd like kept it pretty family friendly.
00:50:31.380 You did. I've never said that word. So here we are.
00:50:37.460 I've managed to live 46 years and never said that word. Thank you both of you guys for talking about
00:50:43.540 that for me.
00:50:49.620 You.
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00:50:53.620 You.
00:50:55.620 You.
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00:51:01.620 You.