Juno News - October 11, 2022


Affirmative Action is harmful and insulting


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The government's commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion sounds great on paper, but in reality, it's identity politics which is discriminatory and bad for Canada. In this episode, we take on the leftist argument that affirmative action perpetuates discrimination and undermines the credibility of the groups that it purports to help.

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00:00:00.000 The government's commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion sounds great on paper,
00:00:04.480 but in reality, it's identity politics, which is discriminatory and bad for Canada.
00:00:09.120 I'm Jasmine Moulton, and it's time for another episode of Reality Check.
00:00:19.940 Every week on Reality Check, we take on one leftist argument, and this week we're taking
00:00:24.960 on affirmative action. Now, leftists claim that the point of affirmative action is to redress
00:00:30.880 historical inequities, but in reality, affirmative action just perpetuates discrimination, and it
00:00:35.920 undermines the credibility of the groups that it purports to help. But first things first, if you
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00:00:56.400 checked to cover, a leftist myth that you think we should debunk, please leave it below in the
00:01:01.100 comments, and I'll be sure I read them every week, so please let me know what you think we should
00:01:05.360 tackle next. Back to this week's show. Here are some examples of affirmative action, or equity,
00:01:10.260 or identity politics, whatever you want to call it, in action in Canada. Take a listen.
00:01:14.720 I understand one of the priorities for you was to have a cabinet that was gender balanced,
00:01:19.480 why was that so important to you? Because it's 2015.
00:01:24.480 A few months ago, I was at the World Economic Forum, and amidst a sea of political and business
00:01:35.860 leaders, I issued a challenge. I asked each and every one of those leaders to make a conscious
00:01:41.960 effort to hire, promote, and retain more women. For every dollar of hourly wages a 1.00
00:01:49.420 man working full-time earns in Canada, a woman working full-time earns about 88 cents. Canada
00:01:56.900 ranks 15th out of 29 OECD countries based on the hourly gender wage gap. This disparity persists,
00:02:06.760 despite the fact that pay equity is a human right entrenched in law.
00:02:13.760 So today, we're taking another step forward to reduce barriers and address that. This morning,
00:02:24.980 I can announce that the Government of Canada, in partnership with Canadian banks, is investing
00:02:30.960 nearly $221 million to launch Canada's...
00:02:35.960 Now, a few notes on those clips in case you're listening to the podcast version of this show.
00:02:40.940 Back where the Prime Minister says, because it's 2015, you can actually see Jody Wilson-Raybould
00:02:46.100 in the back smiling as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says this. Now, recall, she was the Attorney
00:02:51.440 General of Canada until Trudeau kicked her out of caucus, along with her colleague,
00:02:56.260 Jean Philpott, over his government's SNC-Lavalin scandal. Next, if you were just listening to the
00:03:02.320 show instead of watching the YouTube video, you might not have seen, but that was Prime Minister
00:03:06.720 Justin Trudeau there taking the knee during a Black Lives Matter protest back in Ottawa.
00:03:12.140 Now, recall, these protests were against systemic racism, which means that the head of that apparently
00:03:18.220 racist system, Justin Trudeau, is taking a knee to protest the system. It's like, dude, you're the
00:03:23.700 leader. You're also the only known Canadian Prime Minister with a penchant for blackface.
00:03:27.700 But, of course, that didn't stop him from funding for Black entrepreneurs or female entrepreneurs
00:03:33.260 as well, amongst a myriad of other announcements for identity politics-related policies.
00:03:38.700 As I said at the beginning of this show, diversity, equity, and inclusion all sound really great on paper,
00:03:44.340 and you'd have to be some sort of monster to object to any of these things.
00:03:47.460 But on today's show, we're going to go through each of diversity, equity, and inclusion and talk about
00:03:52.580 how even though they're really nice sounding ideas, in reality, they've been disastrous and even harmful
00:03:59.300 or insulting policies in Canada. So let's start with the first one, diversity. Now, there is merit
00:04:05.460 to this idea of diversity. If you think of the financial world, for example, in your financial
00:04:10.660 portfolio, it's a good idea, generally speaking, to be diversified, because if you're invested in
00:04:16.020 different areas, for example, those stocks could react differently to the same event, therefore,
00:04:21.220 balancing risk and helping you to achieve your long-term financial goals. This, of course, is not
00:04:26.020 financial advice, but it is an analogy to say that while in the financial world, diversity is a good
00:04:32.820 thing, it is generally a good principle to abide by. So while it's true that the principle of diversity
00:04:38.660 is good, the government's definition of diversity is only skin deep, which, of course, is very superficial.
00:04:45.220 According to the government's Employment Equity Act, there are four designated groups recognized under
00:04:51.220 the act. First, women, then Aboriginal peoples, persons with disabilities, and also visible minorities.
00:04:58.500 So as the theory goes, the government thinks that these groups are discriminated against,
00:05:03.780 and they come up with affirmative action policies and programs to try to redress that discrimination.
00:05:10.020 One example of such policies, of course, would be gender balancing the cabinet. So as just a quick 1.00
00:05:15.220 explainer for those who might not be familiar, in Canada, the Prime Minister actually chooses his or
00:05:19.940 her own cabinet. So he or she will assign ministers to head certain ministries, such as the Minister of
00:05:27.140 Finance, for example, or Defence. Those are all appointed by the Prime Minister of Canada. As you heard in the
00:05:32.500 opening clip, Trudeau made a commitment to gender balance the cabinet, meaning appoint approximately half of
00:05:38.820 all cabinet ministers as women. And this is apparently necessary because of the year, which at the time was
00:05:46.180 2015. Unsurprisingly, there are a lot of issues with that. And let's start with number one, it's logically
00:05:51.780 inconsistent. The very first question that needs to be asked of this government is, are women different than 1.00
00:05:57.860 men? Because the fact that they say a gender balanced cabinet is required, would imply that yes, women are 0.99
00:06:04.660 different from men, because if 50% of cabinet must be women, clearly they bring something different to
00:06:10.340 the table. They're different than men. But at the same time, this government talks so constantly and 0.94
00:06:15.780 frequently about the gendered wage gap in this country, which would imply that women are in fact not
00:06:22.180 different than men. They're saying men and women do the same jobs, make the same choices, yet they're being
00:06:27.780 paid differently. So which is it? Are men and women the same or are they different? Famed psychologist Dr. Jordan
00:06:33.860 Peterson has elaborated often on the psychological difference between men and women with respect to
00:06:39.620 personality traits. He explains how average differences in personality traits between men and
00:06:45.220 women can actually lead to vastly different choices in terms of career. For example, this is just one 1.00
00:06:50.740 factor of many that can help account for and explain the wage gap. Now the wage gap really does deserve its
00:06:57.060 own dedicated show because it's such a complicated issue and one that left us really reduced down to
00:07:02.820 discrimination. But ultimately, at the end of the day, the point is that a disparity between average
00:07:09.380 pay, for example, between two genders, disparity is not evidence of discrimination. You really do need to
00:07:15.620 identify tangible discrimination in society and fight it at its source, not just simply state that two
00:07:21.540 things are different, therefore discrimination must have taken place. The second problem with the left's
00:07:25.460 approach to diversity is that, of course, it doesn't mean diversity of thought, which would actually be
00:07:30.660 beneficial. It refers more to diversity of skin color or genitalia. And the Jody Wilson-Raybould case
00:07:37.540 exposed just how superficial the government's notion of diversity is. So you can really start to see how
00:07:42.980 absurd this is that its diversity to the left isn't about having a different opinion and finding maybe some
00:07:49.380 common ground or a new approach. It really is about all having the same opinion but looking different when
00:07:54.260 you express it. This notion of diversity would be like having a financial portfolio of all airline
00:07:59.940 stocks but saying, hey, I'm diversified because all of the logos look different. So just as it's really
00:08:04.900 stupid and superficial to say a financial portfolio would be diversified because you have companies 1.00
00:08:09.700 that have a lot of different looking logos, it is equally as stupid to say that your cabinet is 1.00
00:08:15.220 diversified because you have different looking people. If they all act and think the same, it's not 0.99
00:08:19.940 diversity. Another problem with this superficial form of diversity is that it doesn't actually fix
00:08:26.100 the root causes. If you're going to have a gender balanced cabinet, you're going to put 50% women in 1.00
00:08:31.700 cabinet positions and 50% men. That does nothing for women facing actual discrimination. Now, this is a
00:08:38.420 funny one because this is where the left actually starts to believe in trickle down. Of course, they always
00:08:43.780 criticize that argument on the right side of the aisle, but they say, no, there will be trickle down effects.
00:08:48.580 If you have female cabinet ministers, their policies and lived experience will somehow translate and 1.00
00:08:54.340 trickle down to women actually facing discrimination because they'll change policies, etc, etc. But again, 0.98
00:09:00.820 this kind of diversity is not about diversity of thought. As we saw with Jody Wilson-Raybould,
00:09:06.180 you're really not allowed to disagree. And the issue with fighting systemic discrimination is that it's
00:09:12.500 unclear how to actually tackle that when it's this nebulous concept. You actually have to pinpoint
00:09:18.420 where is the discrimination happening and use the law to address it head on. So when the government
00:09:23.300 focuses on disparities instead of actual acts of discrimination, you're not changing anything.
00:09:29.460 Really, the government's just trying to play its hand to reshape society according to its own
00:09:33.700 ideological vision. And the final problem with the government's definition of diversity is that they
00:09:39.540 focus on these four designated groups that we mentioned. And of course, there's a lot of diversity
00:09:44.820 within those groups. That really is the problem with identity politics or affirmative action. It
00:09:49.540 doesn't look at individuals, which of course, vary greatly by categories as broad as woman. There are
00:09:56.820 a lot of advantaged women in our society and some disadvantaged women. So it really is problematic
00:10:02.820 that the government talks about diversity when it's not talking about individuals, it talks about their
00:10:07.860 group identity. And in reality, it's some of the most privileged within these four designated categories
00:10:13.460 that the government has called disadvantaged that are best poised to take advantage of the affirmative 0.63
00:10:18.420 action policies of the government, since these policies are being targeted based on group identity,
00:10:23.460 not on the basis of being disadvantaged. And ultimately, it's really problematic to treat members
00:10:27.860 of a broad group as all the same, because actually they're quite different. Alright, so that's the issue
00:10:33.460 with the government's take on quote unquote diversity. So let's move on from diversity now to equity. Now,
00:10:40.260 leftists claim that affirmative action policies are really about equity or putting everybody on the
00:10:46.100 same playing field. Now, anytime you talk about equity, you've probably seen this graphic. For
00:10:51.380 those of you who are not watching the show, you're listening. This is the graphic of the three people
00:10:55.780 standing at the baseball game, each are standing on a box. And when they all have one box, which is
00:11:01.220 equality, only two of them are tall enough to see over the fence into the baseball game. But when the tallest
00:11:06.900 person gives his box to the shortest, so now he has zero boxes, the middle person is one, the person
00:11:12.900 on the right has two, they're all now tall enough to look over the fence into the baseball game. And this
00:11:18.580 of course, is defined as equity, which means people are treated differently to be put on the same
00:11:24.660 playing field. Now, this graphic and the statement that it makes about equity are incredibly flawed. And it's kind of
00:11:30.660 funny that this part is lost on the left that obviously, if everybody just skipped the line,
00:11:37.380 and instead of buying a ticket, watched a baseball game over a fence, then there would be no ticket
00:11:42.740 sale revenue to pay the players, and therefore no baseball game to watch. But I digress. But what this
00:11:48.340 graphic really fails to capture is that people are different. And what do I mean by that? This graphic
00:11:54.580 implies that if you put everyone on the same playing field, then you'll have equity, people will all be
00:12:00.500 the same. But as any sibling can tell you, even people that are raised from the identical starting
00:12:07.220 point, they're in the same socioeconomic situation, because they both have the same parents, they're in
00:12:12.340 the same family, they're in the exact same setting, may go on to do very different things and earn very
00:12:18.980 different amounts of money because of individual differences and also choices. So it's obviously not
00:12:24.980 even possible that the government could create this sort of equity or equality amongst all people,
00:12:31.380 because people are not equal, they're all very different. So while most would agree that we
00:12:35.860 should care for the most vulnerable in society, most would not agree with this communist ideal of equity,
00:12:41.940 which is undesirable at best and deadly at worst. Okay, so we've gone through the problems with the
00:12:47.460 government's definition of diversity and equity. Let's get to inclusion. The funny thing about the
00:12:52.820 government's definition of inclusion is that it's actually quite discriminatory. I think we could all
00:12:58.260 agree that hiring should be done based on merit. But when the government is saying that they're going to
00:13:03.540 give hiring preference to people within its four designated groups and under the Employment Equity Act,
00:13:10.180 then necessarily you're discriminating against the people in Canada outside of those groups. And the
00:13:16.260 problem with hiring based on immutable characteristics or group identity as opposed to merit
00:13:22.580 and letting merit alone be your only hiring principle is that it actually really lessens
00:13:27.380 the achievement and even self-esteem of the people that you're hiring. Being appointed to a position
00:13:33.140 because your employer is trying to meet a certain quota would make you feel like a token. It would
00:13:38.020 really reek of tokenism. And whether that's real or perceived, perhaps you really deserve the position.
00:13:43.860 Of course, it would serve to lower your self-esteem and make you feel like you're only appointed to that
00:13:48.420 position because of an immutable characteristic, not because you deserve it. And of course,
00:13:53.060 when the government creates programs for specific groups such as women or visible minorities,
00:13:58.820 it sends the message that the government thinks they're inferior because obviously the government
00:14:03.460 thinks that they need extra help. This of course is incredibly insulting. So to conclude, the government's
00:14:09.700 version of inclusion does not include disadvantaged people like it purports to. What it really does is
00:14:16.020 tokenizes them and insults them by implying that somehow they're lesser and need the extra help.
00:14:22.340 So here's a reality check. The government's diversity, equity, and inclusion policies are
00:14:27.060 harmful and insulting. People are different and that's a good thing. The government should treat 1.00
00:14:31.540 people as individuals and reward merit instead of playing the discriminatory game of identity politics.
00:14:37.140 That's our show for this week. Thanks so much for watching. I'm Jasmine Moulton and don't forget to tune in
00:14:41.860 next week, every Monday to the next episode of Reality Chat.