00:00:00For being such a young country, Canada has a truly remarkable military history.
00:00:11The reputation and tradition of the Canadian Armed Forces has been earned through the sacrifice of over 118,000 Canadians that have died fighting for this country.
00:00:21Throughout our country's history, over 2 million Canadians have put on the uniform to fight for Canada and to fight for what this country represents.
00:00:30Memories of the two world wars are almost all gone now in Canada.
00:00:33But over 40,000 Canadians, many of whom walk among us and live among us today,
00:01:18It's an element of Remembrance Day that I think is often overlooked by the broader Canadian public.
00:01:22But on this Remembrance Day special episode of Rayshad,
00:01:25I'll be speaking with two veterans of the global war on terror
00:01:27who have spent their post-military careers advocating for veterans and speaking up on their behalf.
00:01:34Dave Morrow and Jody Middick join me next on Ratioed.
00:01:37I'm now joined by two veterans of the global war on terror who I want to introduce now.
00:01:42Dave Morrow is a retired Canadian Army officer and Afghan vet who deployed in 2010.
00:01:48After sustaining injuries during his military service, he was medically released from the Canadian Armed Forces.
00:01:52He is the founder and host of the Hard to Kill podcast, one of Canada's leading veteran-focused podcasts.
00:01:57where he speaks with veterans, military personnel, and experts about service, leadership, resilience, and realities of life after the military.
00:02:05He's also the author of The Nimble Warrior and Harden the F Up, drawing on his military experience and commitment to helping veterans navigate the challenges of civilian life.
00:02:15Jody Mittick is a 20-year veteran of the Canadian Armed Forces who served as a master corporal and sniper team leader, including three overseas operational tours.
00:02:23During a deployment to Afghanistan in 2007,
00:02:26Mittick lost both legs below the knees after stepping on an IED.
00:02:30His determination to return to an active life following his injuries
00:02:32made him a prominent advocate for wounded veterans
00:08:21Housing even, they would help you buy a house in the past.1.00
00:08:24You know, this organization that was told to me at 17 in 1994, it's not a lot of money, but it's a decent amount if you end up, you know, 100% disabled.0.98
00:08:36It'll keep you going for the rest of your life.0.97
00:08:38And somebody else somewhere decided that that was too good for me.
00:08:43And me being the general us and soldier, you know, especially the combat arms.
00:08:49that I'm better off without that money and that they're going to take care of me.
00:08:54And all they've done is try to make me a pauper to the point where they cut off my IRB for a year over an administrative issue that my taxes, pardon me, hadn't been sorted out.
00:09:06And they knew that I'd made money off the book, which, you know, I say I probably overall lost money the way the CRA behaved.
00:09:16and you know all they they're like you got i was like you guys can't cut off half my money0.68
00:09:21i i earned that with meat and bone and blood drenched into afghan soil and they were like0.67
00:09:28yep too bad and i tried to make a stand you might you can go back and see the videos0.67
00:09:32you know and even like friends of mine in mainstream media nobody wanted to touch it
00:09:37they had no interest in it and you know i felt let down by the whole thing because to me
00:09:43this is the point like how dare they administratively punish me over something that i earned on the
00:09:51on the battlefield and look i'm not trying to toot my horn but i come from an organization that is
00:09:57incredibly skilled and and very elite and uh you know over a piece of paper some administrative
00:10:05individual who probably gets paid twice a year what i what i do for my injuries tells me i got
00:10:13give him a piece of paper or he's going to keep my money and then he did and they wouldn't budge
00:10:18they would i would because i was trying to say just turn the money back on and let me fix my life
00:10:23but no they they weren't interested in that and i will never sorry i know i've thrown it on but i'll
00:10:29never i'll never trust the system again but i'm also know that i'm stuck in an abusive relationship
00:10:35with it. Dave, I always think about that Trudeau town hall event where there was, yeah, there was,
00:10:43there was an amputee who was basically telling the prime minister that the, the, the deal that
00:10:49was made with veterans and the government to look after them was not being fulfilled. And the prime
00:10:55minister said that, uh, veterans were asking too much. Is that deal the one that I think most
00:11:02canadians thought was operating and was going to be there for veterans is that deal basically broken
00:11:08wow yeah that was brock brock's a beauty and the fact that you can go back to when brock made that
00:11:21statement and he was fired up right he lost the leg as well we fought like jody said you know
00:11:30blood and bone. We did Canada's dirty work for 20 years. And the prime minister had the audacity
00:11:38and the honesty, I guess, to say, yeah, you're asking for way too much, boys.
00:11:44So that told me something very clear. This organization is not worth our blood and bone.
00:11:50If you're not willing to cough up a little bit of cash for those that decided this place,
00:11:57this country is worth my life, my mind, whatever, it's yours, take it and do with it what you will,
00:12:05then why should anybody join? And that's my driving force right now. Every single member
00:12:12deserves some sort of obligation for the sacrifices we made over 20 plus years.
00:12:18If you deploy to the GY, you've got some sort of claim. There's something wrong. Either it's your
00:12:23head or your ears or your back, whatever it is. You need to go get those benefits. And the system
00:12:29itself is 100% broken. I'm dealing with overwhelming amounts of people coming through my1.00
00:12:34show, talking about the insurance scheme, talking about PCVRS, all of these things that like Jody
00:12:41was saying, this is money that was owed to us that they decided, no, no, no, no. We're not going to
00:12:47let these veterans get the money directly to their pockets like their grandfathers did. We made that
00:12:52mistake already. It's going to go through our friends' companies, and they're going to administer
00:12:57it. And we're the only G20 NATO country that has an insurance scheme for its veterans. And Canadians
00:13:05need to wake up. Everybody else takes care of their veterans through their veteran administration,
00:13:10except us. And the question is why. So when, Jody, when we get to November 11th every year,
00:13:18where do you think your generation the GWAT veterans fit in on this on Remembrance Day
00:13:25and the recognition across the country because I get the impression that a lot of GWAT veterans
00:13:30feel not just disrespected but feel quite upset about everything that has happened since this war
00:13:38has concluded where where do you feel like your generation fits in on the on the Remembrance Day
00:13:42story in canada well i think we're still pardon me i think we're still finding uh our place to be
00:13:51honest um you know it just pops into my head when you ask the question the monument debacle
00:13:58and the whole you know our afghan veterans war veterans and you know i try to hang out at the
00:14:05legion and i've been a member on and off and i'm a member here in cornwall now uh where i'm opening
00:14:10the green army coffee shop and i plan to be a member and to use the legion for all the
00:14:16uh benefits and uh networking that it provides but i know that we're still being accepted as
00:14:23members you know i'm often the only g watt veteran uh at most legions where i do stop in
00:14:30and you know i'm not gonna sugarcoat it there is a certain amount of attitude that comes you know
00:14:36we have to remember as as GWAT veterans uh most of the forces still didn't deploy the way we did
00:14:43um it was a combat arms heavy deployment obviously you know and that that would a whole
00:14:49lot of canadian armed forces members did a whole lot of great work in that same time frame but
00:14:55weren't necessarily part of the GWAT and we got a lot of attention sure but you know we bled a lot
00:15:00for it too me included um but I think we're as Dave said we're coming into our own like I'm
00:15:06almost 50 now in January and it's going to be 20 years since I got smashed and um I'm feeling0.82
00:15:13better than ever frankly you know I did run in the local election and have my butt handed to me
00:15:18by the voters because I'm new in town and I accept that um but I'm not giving up you know I'm more0.62
00:15:24They even invented a monster when they passed the new Veterans Charter, okay?
00:15:29And I specialize in operations in non-permissive environments for, you know, as a choice.
00:15:35You know, I could have gone to school and all that jazz.
00:17:06But I think the fundamental problem is when I look back at the audience,
00:17:09when he was being very frank about what Afghanistan was,1.00
00:17:13it was picking up body parts. It was dealing with the most horrible incidents you could possibly0.98
00:17:19imagine. And the looks on their faces told me a lot. It meant Canadians don't know that we were
00:17:25war fighters. Canadians don't even know we were in a war. The concept of being in a bloody, dirty
00:17:33counterinsurgency war is foreign to our country. And so it's no wonder that they can't wrap their
00:17:39heads around the fact that guys like me and Jody, who are still relatively young men,
00:17:43could have seen so much combat, and there's no mention of it in the general Canadian diaspora
00:17:50and our culture. No mention of war. There's barely even a monument for us. It's been over 15 years.
00:17:57They can't even come to the fact that this was a war. The Legion won't even call this a war. So
00:18:03if you don't call it what it is, and you don't respect those that actually fought in that war,
00:18:08And like Jody was saying, there was a very small sliver of Canadians that fought this war and a very small sliver of the Canadian armed forces that fought this war, about 40,000.
00:18:16And how many of those were repeat offenders?
00:18:19So therefore, you have like 0.001% of Canadians fighting a war.
00:18:24That was the longest war in history for our country.
00:18:27And as a group, as a collective, we're leaving the forces now.
00:18:32And we can't make heads or tails of what's going on because it's like it never existed.
00:18:37And until we come to grips with that and we get Canadians to understand that this was a horrible, awful war that we had to fight over and over again for 20 years, and we deserve every last dime that the government gives us, if we don't get there, then it's going to be very hard.
00:18:55We're going to have a very big uphill battle for our community.
00:18:57jody there have been like seriously troubling cases and news stories about veterans who are
00:19:07in need of assistance who go to veterans affairs canada seeking the help that they deserve and
00:19:13instead of being offered that help they are offered made which to be honest i can't really
00:19:18think of anything more disgusting uh than that but this is not just a one-off right
00:19:25these these stories keep popping up and we talked about the failings of the system but
00:19:30again i can't really think of anything more illustrative of the failure than offering
00:19:36veterans who serve this country made euthanasia rather than service does this really come down
00:19:42to the government basically trying to penny pinch you guys and uh that's a great point harrison i
00:24:24but it helps me get what I have in my mind out into the ether to be criticized. And I like it
00:24:30because I get comments from folks. And those comments, I think, man, I got it rough. You hear
00:24:36comments from veterans that have been in the dark, struggling for years, dealing with veterans
00:24:42affairs and their issues. And they are so dark. I can't wrap my head around it. Now, are they all
00:24:48truthful? I don't know. But a million flies can't be wrong. And the fact that MAID is ever offered
00:24:56to veterans is so disgusting and morally reprehensible. This type of scandal should
00:25:03bring down the entire Veterans Affairs staff, from minister to under minister to everybody.
00:25:08And the prime minister should be held accountable. And even more, the king who's ultimately
00:25:13responsible for all of us should be involved in this because his own soldiers are being offered
00:25:20death and every veteran that goes through veterans affairs that gives them a ring or is like hey i
00:25:24need help not a single one of them wants to commit suicide they're looking for help so imagine that
00:25:30the one organization that's tasked with the care according to their mandate for veterans is saying
00:25:36oh well it sounds like you're having a rough day how about we just end it it's super easy
00:25:42The fact that that's even on the table, again, we're talking about Canadians, not just the general veteran population, but the general Canadian population.
00:26:13Likely not to dealing with the government.
00:26:15But as a community, this is something that fired me up so much that I decided to get into the advocacy space, build a nonprofit and start firing back at Veterans Affairs.
00:26:26But more importantly, building our community stronger so that we can go and advocate as a group rather than individuals taking shots.
00:26:34Because unless we do that as a community, we're never going to end up with the respect that we deserve.
00:26:39this is a question for both of you guys but and i i want to ask you first jody because you said
00:26:45that you you love the infantry you you want to get back involved if you can in in any way
00:26:52but this the question is is mostly about this knowing what you know now and and what and the
00:26:59impact that your service would have and the lack of support that you would eventually receive if
00:27:05you go back in time would you have signed up um when you did and do it all over again
00:27:10indeed I would uh you know again I'd sign up today it's not necessarily about me overall it's about
00:27:21us and the collective and nobody's gonna look after us as good as us and I didn't have any
00:27:28other plans when I was a kid I might have gone to college uh but the money wasn't available
00:27:32and the army was there and i was already in the reserves and you know i chose to dedicate my life
00:27:40to this country i'm a first son my dad was born in europe uh post world war ii my mom is an orphan
00:27:46and i wanted my name to be associated with you know i grew up here i was born here in 1977 in
00:27:55ontario i've been told and i believe this is one of the greatest countries on the planet
00:27:59and one of the baddest armies on the planet going way back.
00:29:15And it hurts me to say that because I would want nothing more than to see my kids carry on the tradition of being in the military.
00:29:21And if Canada doesn't wake up to this reality that they're going to lose the same families that have been fighting the wars for the last 150 years, because that's the case, it's the same families sending their sons and daughters over and over again, there's no way Canada is going to be able to mount any sort of realistic defense or build its nation like it wants to.
00:29:43And I'm like Jody, I believe 100% in Canada and what it represents. And that's why I went to go fight a war with the maple leaf on my shoulder.
00:29:51But right now, that trust has been broken to the point where I do not trust the institutions
00:29:56with my children, and I would not recommend anybody to join right now, and that's the