Juno News - Alberta lawyer takes aim at CAF vax mandate

00:00:00.000 Welcome back to the Andrew Lawton Show.

00:00:10.760 This is Canada's most irreverent talk show.

00:00:13.580 We have talked a lot on this program about vaccine mandates,

00:00:17.200 federal, provincial, international.

00:00:19.580 One that we have not focused on as much

00:00:22.140 is the Canadian Armed Forces vaccine mandate.

00:00:25.680 And part of this is because I think it was part of,

00:00:28.580 certainly when I was discussing it,

00:00:30.000 it was part of the broader vaccine mandates

00:00:32.500 that the Liberal government put in last fall

00:00:34.500 for the entire civil service.

00:00:36.420 But there have been different nuances to it

00:00:39.740 that I think make it worth taking an extra look at this.

00:00:43.120 And one of them, I think, is the demographic profile

00:00:45.620 of who it is that's in the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:00:47.580 These are the people at the least risk possible

00:00:50.920 for having serious complications from COVID-19.

00:00:54.140 But also the idea of authority and obedience

00:00:56.700 and the chain of command,

00:00:57.900 these things that have really, I think,

00:00:59.440 complicated the ability for someone

00:01:01.980 to say no to this vaccine

00:01:04.280 or to say no to following the mandate.

00:01:07.300 Well, there's a proposed class action now

00:01:09.440 against this vaccine mandate,

00:01:11.180 representing so far hundreds of people

00:01:13.080 that were put on leave,

00:01:14.680 whose future careers in the Canadian Armed Forces

00:01:17.340 are still in uncertain territory

00:01:19.680 because of this mandate.

00:01:21.020 This has been fought by Catherine Christensen,

00:01:23.980 who's a lawyer based in Alberta

00:01:25.480 and the founder of the Valor Legal Action Centre,

00:01:28.760 which is a not-for-profit that is fighting this case.

00:01:32.440 Catherine Christensen joins me now.

00:01:34.300 Thanks so much for coming on the show today.

00:01:36.040 Good to talk to you.

00:01:37.580 Good to talk to you, Andrew.

00:01:38.820 We're happy to be here.

00:01:39.880 So what is this case about, really?

00:01:42.700 Obviously, the vaccine mandate, incredibly disruptive.

00:01:45.580 I would argue just plain wrong.

00:01:47.260 But we also know that it caused a number of issues

00:01:50.680 as far as shortages, confusion,

00:01:53.360 not to mention the legal rights aspect of this.

00:01:56.160 But what is really the core of this class action

00:01:58.480 you're proposing to bring?

00:02:00.940 Well, Andrew, I've been watching

00:02:02.760 the Canadian Armed Forces for a few years.

00:02:04.520 My practice has always been with military and veterans.

00:02:08.440 And I have noticed a real trend

00:02:11.060 in some of the things that they were doing to their people.

00:02:15.220 And then last October,

00:02:16.140 I was approached by a group of hundreds of military,

00:02:20.900 serving military,

00:02:21.860 who were affected by the first directive, the mandate,

00:02:25.820 and now subsequently mandate 2A and 3A.

00:02:29.640 And I have to tell you

00:02:31.520 that it was sort of the perfect package

00:02:33.460 to bring what is essentially an abuse of power lawsuit

00:02:37.180 against the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:02:39.060 It's not about the mandate itself.

00:02:41.420 It's about how the Canadian Armed Forces

00:02:43.960 have abused their people.

00:02:46.400 And their chain of command is in absolute chaos.

00:02:49.740 And for all of General Eyre's talking about

00:02:53.140 everyone has to follow his orders,

00:02:54.980 they aren't.

00:02:55.900 And it's caused some very big consequences

00:02:58.160 for some very dedicated,

00:03:01.040 long-serving members of the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:03:04.580 For people that haven't followed the intricacies of this,

00:03:07.280 when you say mandate 1, mandate 2, 2A, 3,

00:03:10.700 what are you referring to there?

00:03:12.080 What are those different mandates that have come in

00:03:13.900 or updates to the mandate?

00:03:16.220 Right.

00:03:16.520 So last October,

00:03:18.660 the Chief of Defence staff issued a directive.

00:03:22.320 And the first directive was to bring in

00:03:24.080 that COVID-19 vaccines were now mandatory

00:03:28.660 for service in the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:03:31.160 He then subsequently did a couple of amendments

00:03:34.160 with a second directive

00:03:35.700 and then an amendment of that second directive,

00:03:39.700 which I call 2A.

00:03:40.740 And then just recently in the last month,

00:03:43.720 he's brought down Directive 3,

00:03:46.060 which was touted as a removal of the mandate.

00:03:49.800 It doesn't actually remove the mandate.

00:03:51.900 It continues if you want to do anything

00:03:53.920 in the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:03:55.520 But what it did was say that,

00:03:58.120 well, if we haven't already released you,

00:04:00.360 which was under the first directives,

00:04:02.980 that if you didn't get the vaccine,

00:04:04.560 you were to be discharged under a 5F,

00:04:06.940 which used to be dishonourable,

00:04:09.020 but has been made honourable

00:04:10.800 in the last tough couple of years.

00:04:12.760 Some of these people were not released

00:04:14.300 in the 30 days like they were threatened with.

00:04:17.000 And so they've been told now to come back to work.

00:04:19.480 But they've been put into situations

00:04:22.020 where they're sitting by themselves

00:04:24.000 in empty buildings.

00:04:25.900 They've been told they don't basically

00:04:27.520 get to do anything.

00:04:29.280 In fact, I have one person who is unvaccinated,

00:04:32.400 was told to come back to work.

00:04:33.680 And he's been assigned to help take care

00:04:36.920 of people who are quarantined for COVID-19.

00:04:40.420 So ironically, that's what this is.

00:04:43.820 The Chief of Defence Staff should have said,

00:04:46.940 because under the National Defence Act,

00:04:49.280 Section 126, he has the power to say

00:04:53.300 that you must be vaccinated

00:04:54.660 to serve in the Canadian Armed Forces.

00:04:57.240 If you refuse, you are brought with a charge

00:05:00.320 and court-martialed.

00:05:02.040 They didn't do that.

00:05:03.240 They went to what was called remedial measures

00:05:05.420 and basically did an administrative process,

00:05:08.700 which is completely unanswerable

00:05:11.980 until it gets brought into court,

00:05:14.920 which can take years

00:05:16.000 because it may go through a grievance process.

00:05:19.300 So that's one of the questions I have.

00:05:20.380 And just to confirm,

00:05:21.040 what happens to people in that interim period

00:05:23.700 while they're waiting for a court date?

00:05:25.160 They basically are suspended.

00:05:29.900 They still, they can't put anyone

00:05:32.140 in the Canadian Armed Forces

00:05:33.220 under a leave without pay.

00:05:35.420 The Canadian Armed Forces

00:05:36.300 are different than the federal employees.

00:05:38.220 They have to ask for a leave without pay.

00:05:40.920 They cannot be ordered

00:05:42.100 to take a leave without pay.

00:05:43.660 So that was part of the issue

00:05:44.720 with the first directive

00:05:45.680 because they talked about

00:05:46.660 putting people on leave without pay.

00:05:48.480 Of course, that was challenged

00:05:50.240 and they had to backtrack.

00:05:51.540 So the people that haven't had

00:05:54.420 anything happen to them

00:05:55.300 in the past year

00:05:56.040 have basically been sitting at home

00:05:57.860 waiting to be released

00:06:00.180 as they were threatened

00:06:01.000 they would be released

00:06:01.920 and they haven't been.

00:06:03.560 Now they've been told

00:06:04.320 to come back to work.

00:06:05.660 Why is it that

00:06:06.660 the Canadian Armed Forces mandate

00:06:08.660 seems to be distinct

00:06:10.440 in terms of how it's unfolded

00:06:12.880 and what the challenges are

00:06:14.060 compared to the broader

00:06:15.200 public service mandate

00:06:16.480 that applied just in a blanket way

00:06:18.580 to everyone in the federal public service?

00:06:20.320 Why are these two different animals?

00:06:23.040 One of the big differences

00:06:24.240 is that how people were treated

00:06:27.220 in the Canadian Armed Forces

00:06:29.340 compared to the federal service.

00:06:30.900 In the federal service

00:06:31.600 they basically were sent home

00:06:33.240 on leave without pay.

00:06:34.680 When their mandate was suspended

00:06:35.820 they were told to come back to work.

00:06:37.700 In the Canadian Armed Forces

00:06:38.660 we have the chief of defense staff

00:06:40.160 going on the national news

00:06:41.440 telling people that don't get vaccinated

00:06:43.880 and want to serve in a uniform

00:06:45.920 aren't worthy.

00:06:47.220 That they're morally weak.

00:06:48.520 that their ethics aren't

00:06:49.940 where they should be

00:06:50.920 basically name calling them

00:06:53.500 and isolating them

00:06:54.500 which is a form of discrimination

00:06:56.220 and I would even argue

00:06:57.960 maybe some harassment. 0.98

00:06:59.480 Then we get what actually happened

00:07:00.880 to people on the ground

00:07:03.800 as these directives

00:07:06.060 were being unrolled

00:07:06.900 from pregnant women 0.99

00:07:09.360 who didn't know

00:07:10.880 if they wanted to take the vaccine

00:07:12.440 being charged with AWOL

00:07:14.220 because their obstetrician

00:07:15.360 put them in the hospital

00:07:16.420 due to the stress.

00:07:18.240 To young sailors

00:07:20.460 being isolated in a room

00:07:22.300 with four officers

00:07:23.800 and told to sign

00:07:24.900 a piece of paper

00:07:25.920 that they wouldn't follow

00:07:26.800 a lawful order

00:07:27.580 under complete coercion.

00:07:30.440 To a young man

00:07:32.340 made to stand outside

00:07:33.720 in January

00:07:34.600 at attention

00:07:36.080 where all his coat workers

00:07:37.320 could go past him

00:07:38.260 and say

00:07:39.180 because he wouldn't

00:07:40.160 take the vaccine.

00:07:41.060 He lasted a month

00:07:41.940 before he'd lost

00:07:43.420 15 pounds of muscle mass

00:07:44.980 and mentally

00:07:47.560 couldn't do it anymore

00:07:48.680 and he voluntarily released

00:07:50.480 because he just couldn't

00:07:52.040 cope with the punishment

00:07:53.680 that his commanding officer

00:07:56.340 was giving him.

00:07:57.680 I mean,

00:07:58.000 if she had done that

00:07:59.080 to someone

00:07:59.880 who was a prisoner of war

00:08:01.420 she'd be charged

00:08:02.200 with a war crime

00:08:02.920 and be brought up

00:08:03.640 in The Hague for it.

00:08:05.340 This is how these people

00:08:06.640 were being treated.

00:08:07.820 It wasn't a case

00:08:08.520 that they were just told

00:08:09.460 well, go home

00:08:10.300 and then they just sat at home

00:08:11.420 and did nothing.

00:08:12.460 They were actually being

00:08:13.840 deliberately isolated.

00:08:15.700 They were told

00:08:16.140 they would go to jail.

00:08:17.980 They were told

00:08:19.020 that their families

00:08:20.700 would starve,

00:08:22.260 that they would receive

00:08:23.140 no benefits,

00:08:24.440 that their pensions were gone.

00:08:26.160 All of these things

00:08:27.060 are not true.

00:08:29.260 And so it was very different

00:08:30.900 for these people

00:08:31.980 who were in uniform

00:08:32.900 that absolutely

00:08:34.540 dedicated their lives

00:08:36.160 to serving Canada

00:08:37.220 and then were 0.99

00:08:37.980 being treated like garbage 0.99

00:08:39.680 and thrown out like garbage 1.00

00:08:40.840 in my opinion. 0.96

00:08:42.320 I want to go back

00:08:43.080 to what you said

00:08:43.620 a moment ago

00:08:44.240 about being asked

00:08:45.100 to agree that

00:08:46.120 they were not following

00:08:46.980 a lawful order

00:08:47.780 because everyone knows

00:08:48.580 that in military

00:08:49.400 there's a chain of command

00:08:50.480 and that you do need

00:08:51.600 to have a level of obedience

00:08:52.980 but this has been clarified

00:08:54.620 over time

00:08:55.360 and it's that you have

00:08:56.300 to obey lawful orders.

00:08:58.060 And interestingly enough

00:08:59.080 just this week

00:08:59.820 there was the story

00:09:00.760 in the Canadian press

00:09:01.980 that the chief

00:09:03.280 of the defence staff

00:09:04.020 was warned

00:09:04.660 that this mandate

00:09:05.680 might not actually

00:09:07.080 be a lawful order.

00:09:08.360 So there isn't actually

00:09:09.620 something we can take

00:09:10.440 for granted here

00:09:11.220 that the Canadian Armed Forces

00:09:12.780 can rely on

00:09:13.620 that this was in fact

00:09:14.640 a lawful order.

00:09:16.180 Exactly.

00:09:17.400 The Canadian Armed Forces

00:09:18.440 have a reputation

00:09:19.420 internationally

00:09:20.420 for having smart people.

00:09:23.060 People that are willing

00:09:24.520 to question

00:09:25.220 and willing to say

00:09:26.360 to their chain of command

00:09:27.440 I don't think

00:09:28.460 that's a lawful order

00:09:29.460 or no I will not do that

00:09:31.320 based on my ethics

00:09:33.540 or my religion

00:09:34.760 whatever the case may be.

00:09:37.280 And so that's what

00:09:37.900 they came up against

00:09:38.800 when they issued

00:09:39.440 these directives

00:09:40.320 because how it usually

00:09:42.200 works in the military

00:09:43.280 is you don't get

00:09:44.680 the chief of defence staff

00:09:46.420 doesn't issue a directive.

00:09:47.960 He issues an order

00:09:48.920 and then the directive

00:09:50.200 is the instructions

00:09:51.280 to his chain of command

00:09:53.120 how that order

00:09:54.040 is going to be carried out.

00:09:55.320 That didn't happen here.

00:09:56.640 He instead brought

00:09:58.140 these directives out

00:09:58.900 and said well

00:09:59.280 that's an order.

00:10:00.380 But they were so vague

00:10:02.220 and so jumbled

00:10:03.180 that the chain of command

00:10:05.740 across the country

00:10:07.380 all implemented it differently.

00:10:09.640 It was absolute chaos.

00:10:11.520 Someone on one base

00:10:12.720 was doing another.

00:10:13.720 Another admiral

00:10:15.260 on the west coast

00:10:16.460 was doing something else.

00:10:18.060 So this caused people

00:10:19.620 to say is this

00:10:20.680 a lawful order?

00:10:22.580 And the other part of it

00:10:24.380 is Andrew

00:10:25.440 is their rights.

00:10:26.700 Just because they put

00:10:27.420 on a uniform

00:10:28.020 doesn't mean they gave up

00:10:29.200 their rights as a Canadian citizen.

00:10:31.240 They still maintain

00:10:32.260 all those rights.

00:10:33.960 And one of the rights

00:10:34.620 you have is to bodily autonomy

00:10:36.120 and whether you wish

00:10:37.080 to consent to a medical treatment.

00:10:39.180 And that was what

00:10:40.300 the chief of defence staff

00:10:42.220 tried to take away

00:10:43.080 from these people.

00:10:44.760 We have the admiral

00:10:45.900 or the vice admiral

00:10:47.660 who's commander

00:10:48.640 of the Navy now

00:10:49.540 telling people

00:10:50.880 that they didn't have

00:10:51.780 bodily autonomy

00:10:52.520 if they were in

00:10:53.800 the Canadian armed forces.

00:10:55.380 Well that raises

00:10:56.040 a lot of questions

00:10:56.940 because if they have

00:10:58.640 no bodily autonomy

00:10:59.560 then does that mean

00:11:01.680 the chief of defence staff

00:11:02.600 can say well

00:11:03.080 I don't have enough women 1.00

00:11:04.120 in the military

00:11:04.800 so therefore I can order

00:11:06.460 people to have sex changes

00:11:08.440 because that's what he's saying.

00:11:10.360 He says he has the power

00:11:11.400 to order any medical treatment

00:11:13.620 for any member

00:11:14.740 of the Canadian armed forces

00:11:15.660 and they're not allowed

00:11:16.520 to disagree.

00:11:17.260 So this is part of why

00:11:20.880 I chose to do this

00:11:22.340 because it is extremely upsetting

00:11:25.860 to the people I represent

00:11:27.420 and it was upsetting to me

00:11:29.120 as I started to hear the stories.

00:11:31.420 There are some deployments

00:11:32.700 where certain vaccines

00:11:34.160 would make sense.

00:11:35.160 If you're going to Mali 0.95

00:11:36.360 for example

00:11:37.080 you should probably get

00:11:38.360 your meningitis vaccine

00:11:39.640 and so on.

00:11:40.300 The rationale

00:11:41.520 for COVID vaccination

00:11:43.320 has been

00:11:44.320 I think increasingly

00:11:45.460 precarious

00:11:47.320 the logic

00:11:49.120 on which it rests

00:11:50.020 especially as we've learned

00:11:50.940 it doesn't block transmission

00:11:52.160 so whether you get

00:11:53.520 vaccinated as a soldier

00:11:54.780 does not have

00:11:55.680 any bearing

00:11:56.200 on whether the person

00:11:57.480 you're bunking with

00:11:58.500 is going to get COVID

00:12:00.060 increasingly.

00:12:01.280 So what is the rationale

00:12:03.240 on which the Canadian

00:12:04.800 armed forces

00:12:05.480 has relied

00:12:06.380 or is it simply

00:12:07.240 we're telling you to do it

00:12:08.760 so you have to do it?

00:12:09.760 Well part of what

00:12:11.360 they relied on

00:12:12.020 was a draft

00:12:12.800 from the Public Health

00:12:14.140 Canada

00:12:15.460 Public Health Agency

00:12:16.720 of Canada

00:12:17.200 and it was a draft

00:12:18.220 we have searched

00:12:19.760 for a final version

00:12:21.040 they can't produce one

00:12:22.540 so they had a draft document

00:12:24.440 from Public Health Canada

00:12:25.500 which the Peckford

00:12:26.940 questioning

00:12:28.340 the Peckford documents

00:12:29.540 have revealed

00:12:30.520 that Public Health Canada

00:12:31.500 never recommended

00:12:32.940 vaccination

00:12:33.660 as a mitigation

00:12:35.020 measure

00:12:38.020 I guess I could call it

00:12:38.940 so they

00:12:40.380 relying on that

00:12:41.640 certainly isn't

00:12:42.700 going to be standing up

00:12:44.620 and we had the

00:12:45.520 Chief of Defence staff

00:12:46.480 on national media

00:12:48.980 saying that his

00:12:50.140 reasoning was

00:12:51.240 that it was

00:12:52.400 to prevent transmission

00:12:53.580 that we were going

00:12:55.480 to the Canadian armed forces

00:12:56.240 which even Pfizer

00:12:56.260 doesn't say anymore

00:12:57.240 right exactly

00:12:58.560 and the Canadian armed forces

00:12:59.920 were supposed to set an example

00:13:01.300 in fact in his first directive

00:13:02.900 and other subsequent directives

00:13:05.360 the first priority

00:13:06.300 was to set an example

00:13:07.540 for the Canadian population

00:13:09.020 that's not a reason

00:13:10.760 to mandate a medical treatment

00:13:12.540 to your troops

00:13:13.500 that's not taking care

00:13:15.700 of your people

00:13:16.260 because if it's a vaccine

00:13:18.140 that isn't even fully tested yet

00:13:20.800 I mean

00:13:21.560 Dr. Larenko

00:13:24.020 from the Government of Canada

00:13:25.440 admitted under questioning

00:13:26.760 and under oath

00:13:27.380 that the human trials

00:13:29.280 are not over

00:13:29.940 that the human trials

00:13:30.880 are the general population

00:13:32.300 and the other factor

00:13:34.720 we have here Andrew

00:13:35.620 is the people

00:13:36.800 that serve in the Canadian

00:13:37.800 armed forces

00:13:38.360 are extremely low risk

00:13:40.020 to die from COVID

00:13:41.740 or have serious COVID

00:13:42.960 they're fit

00:13:44.680 they're young

00:13:45.620 there was

00:13:46.640 there has been

00:13:47.680 more vaccine injuries

00:13:48.980 than anything else

00:13:50.560 from this whole thing

00:13:52.280 and they

00:13:54.020 can't ever point

00:13:56.820 to one death

00:13:57.900 in the Canadian armed forces

00:13:59.220 from COVID

00:13:59.760 they can't even point

00:14:01.000 to serious illness

00:14:02.100 of anyone

00:14:02.800 in the Canadian armed forces

00:14:03.940 so how are you

00:14:04.780 rationalizing

00:14:06.420 a treatment

00:14:06.980 to your people

00:14:08.160 that is more

00:14:09.940 dangerous to them

00:14:11.080 than the actual

00:14:11.840 disease itself

00:14:12.600 yeah

00:14:13.840 and I think that's

00:14:14.580 such a critical point here

00:14:15.760 it's a critical point

00:14:18.260 because

00:14:18.600 the vaccine

00:14:19.660 is something

00:14:21.180 that I think

00:14:21.760 should for any reason

00:14:23.120 be a personal choice

00:14:24.140 if you feel

00:14:24.900 it will put you

00:14:25.680 in better standing

00:14:26.580 take it

00:14:27.020 if you don't feel it

00:14:27.880 that way

00:14:28.460 don't take it

00:14:29.120 but if you look

00:14:30.080 at the numbers

00:14:30.660 no one has ever argued

00:14:32.000 even the most alarmist

00:14:33.120 that COVID

00:14:33.660 is a death sentence

00:14:35.460 for a fit

00:14:36.460 healthy

00:14:36.920 20 something

00:14:37.920 30 something

00:14:38.920 year old

00:14:39.560 and to the contrary

00:14:40.700 I mean

00:14:41.120 for 20

00:14:41.880 30

00:14:42.260 40 year old men 0.64

00:14:43.480 we know that

00:14:43.980 the vaccine itself

00:14:44.980 and numerous studies

00:14:46.160 have showed

00:14:46.520 this actually poses

00:14:47.440 more risk

00:14:48.100 when you're talking

00:14:48.560 about things

00:14:48.880 like myocarditis

00:14:49.780 and other things

00:14:50.460 and I don't even

00:14:51.540 want to make this

00:14:52.080 a scientific discussion

00:14:53.200 because it should be

00:14:54.280 based on

00:14:55.140 individual choice

00:14:56.140 but I think your point

00:14:57.000 is a valid one

00:14:57.820 and I take you

00:14:58.740 at your word there

00:14:59.360 there has not been

00:15:00.160 a single COVID

00:15:01.340 fatality

00:15:02.000 in the Canadian

00:15:02.520 Armed Forces

00:15:03.140 you say

00:15:03.620 right

00:15:04.580 not a one

00:15:05.360 but I can tell you

00:15:06.260 there's been lots

00:15:07.060 of vaccine injuries

00:15:08.620 from myocarditis

00:15:09.780 I have clients

00:15:10.960 in this lawsuit

00:15:11.740 who have had to have

00:15:12.620 open heart surgery

00:15:13.520 that were fit

00:15:14.780 and healthy

00:15:15.360 and I know

00:15:18.100 of deaths

00:15:18.740 of fit

00:15:19.680 and healthy

00:15:20.320 young men

00:15:21.480 who died

00:15:22.900 in their sleep

00:15:23.560 which should not

00:15:24.500 be happening

00:15:25.040 so

00:15:27.420 you know

00:15:28.260 I question

00:15:28.980 the rationale

00:15:31.860 behind this

00:15:32.580 because I don't

00:15:33.400 think they have

00:15:34.300 if they want to say

00:15:35.620 they relied on the science

00:15:36.620 I don't think the science

00:15:37.540 is backing them up

00:15:38.460 what's the timeline

00:15:40.540 of your legal challenge

00:15:42.240 I expect to be filing

00:15:45.040 in the next few months

00:15:46.380 as you can imagine

00:15:47.220 I have

00:15:48.360 over 300 people

00:15:49.900 confirmed as plaintiffs

00:15:51.280 there's a couple hundred

00:15:52.520 more that have reached out

00:15:54.120 but we've set a deadline

00:15:55.800 cut off of

00:15:56.840 October 31st

00:15:58.120 on Monday

00:15:58.600 and then

00:15:59.660 you can imagine

00:16:00.980 writing several hundred

00:16:02.260 affidavits

00:16:02.860 and I would say

00:16:03.780 I have

00:16:04.380 you know

00:16:05.560 a truckload

00:16:06.280 but 100,000 pages

00:16:07.780 of evidence

00:16:08.520 to make sure

00:16:10.140 it's all ready

00:16:10.860 before we head

00:16:11.740 into the court

00:16:12.440 and the statement

00:16:14.480 of claim is ready

00:16:15.240 I'm just getting

00:16:16.260 all the rest of the

00:16:17.420 I's dotted

00:16:18.280 and T's crossed

00:16:19.020 to bring it forward

00:16:19.780 it is coming

00:16:21.080 it is not going

00:16:21.820 to go away

00:16:22.460 and just to put

00:16:24.420 kind of the technicalities

00:16:25.600 forward here

00:16:26.240 this is a proposed

00:16:27.240 class action

00:16:28.040 so you're fighting

00:16:28.680 this on behalf

00:16:29.260 of all members

00:16:30.480 of the Canadian Art Forces

00:16:31.480 even those who aren't

00:16:32.280 members of this

00:16:33.060 legal challenge

00:16:33.940 correct?

00:16:35.300 Yes

00:16:35.500 if I can get a certified

00:16:36.480 as a class action

00:16:37.440 absolutely

00:16:38.040 the other thing

00:16:39.400 is that to

00:16:40.220 counter the government's

00:16:41.960 favorite strategy

00:16:42.720 of running people

00:16:43.480 out of money

00:16:44.080 I created a non-profit

00:16:46.040 the Valor Legal Action Centre

00:16:47.820 which is helping

00:16:49.300 cover

00:16:49.760 the cost

00:16:51.200 of the litigation

00:16:52.020 because litigation

00:16:53.020 against the government

00:16:53.900 is very expensive

00:16:54.760 but it also means

00:16:56.380 that

00:16:56.820 because

00:16:58.020 the non-profit

00:16:59.380 runs on donations

00:17:00.320 people weren't

00:17:01.420 having to come out

00:17:02.420 and hire a lawyer

00:17:04.480 for a couple

00:17:05.640 hundred thousand dollars

00:17:06.560 each to bring

00:17:07.280 their claim forward

00:17:08.060 that's why we

00:17:09.040 put together the group

00:17:10.260 we put together

00:17:10.840 the non-profit

00:17:11.480 because I firmly

00:17:12.780 believe this is a question

00:17:13.900 that needs to be

00:17:14.680 answered in a court

00:17:15.520 of was that

00:17:16.740 a lawful order

00:17:17.500 and was it

00:17:18.340 handled in the way

00:17:19.600 it should have been

00:17:20.200 handled

00:17:20.520 or should he have

00:17:21.900 used the National

00:17:22.600 Defence Act

00:17:23.340 as he had the

00:17:24.840 power to do

00:17:25.500 and chose not to

00:17:26.320 and we'll put that

00:17:27.780 up on the screen

00:17:28.500 there right now

00:17:29.200 ValorLegalActionCentre.org

00:17:31.660 and that's the

00:17:32.440 Canadian Spelling Centre

00:17:33.580 with an R-E

00:17:34.240 ValorLegalActionCentre.org

00:17:36.260 Catherine Christensen

00:17:37.640 joins me now

00:17:38.360 Catherine thank you

00:17:39.120 so much for your work

00:17:39.860 on this

00:17:40.140 good to talk to you

00:17:40.940 good to talk to you

00:17:42.360 too Andrew

00:17:42.680 thank you for having me on

00:17:43.780 thanks for listening

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00:18:00.180 because この

00:18:00.660 UK

00:18:01.440 hun

00:18:01.940 for helping to

00:18:03.360 have you

00:18:04.300 so much

00:18:04.840 the

00:18:07.680 have been

00:18:08.160 common

00:18:12.120 these

00:18:13.280 weren't

00:18:13.800 all

00:18:15.920 we'll be

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00:18:17.040 and

00:18:17.700 they

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Juno News - October 29, 2022

Alberta lawyer takes aim at CAF vax mandate

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