Juno News - Alberta sends a clear message to the rest of the country

00:00:00.080 Alberta has sent a clear message to the rest of the country saying that our

00:00:04.380 confederation is simply not working for them. Now will the Prime Minister and

00:00:08.340 will the rest of the country listen? I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice

00:00:11.400 Malcolm Show. So today I want to talk about the results of the recent

00:00:19.680 municipal election and those referenzums that happened out in Alberta. As you know

00:00:24.000 it, True North covered the topic in depth. We even hosted a live show on the night

00:00:28.680 of the election out in Alberta. We were joined by some great guests, our friends

00:00:32.600 in Alberta. We had former leader of the opposition, Danielle Smith. We had rebel

00:00:37.620 bureau chief, Sheila Gunn-Reed. We had the head of the YES campaign on that

00:00:41.500 equalization question, Dr. Bill Buick, and we had a brilliant political advisor,

00:00:45.720 Vitor Marciano. Well, the results of those referendums have finally been released,

00:00:50.160 the official results. We sort of had a picture of what was happening, but the

00:00:53.280 official results were finally released this week and we're going to bring back

00:00:56.940 one of those guests to do a bit of a deep dive to dissect the results and

00:01:01.400 analyze what it means for the country and what will happen next. But before any of

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00:01:34.900 subscribe to the Candice Malcolm Show. All right. So joining us today on the

00:01:39.520 program is our friend Vitor Marciano. Vitor is an advisor to many small C

00:01:44.640 conservative political parties and candidates over in his home in Edmonton, as

00:01:49.040 well as across the province of Alberta, across Canada. So Vitor, thank you so much

00:01:53.500 for joining us. It's my pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me on.

00:01:57.380 Well, you joined us on that live election show that we did and you really helped us

00:02:01.000 make sense of what's going on, particularly understanding how it is that

00:02:05.480 Albertans vote for these sort of left-wing socialist candidates municipally,

00:02:09.460 whereas they're sort of reliably staunch conservative voters, at least federally,

00:02:14.620 usually provincially as well, although you did elect an NDP government a couple of

00:02:18.080 years ago. So before we get into the results of the equalization, what did you

00:02:24.760 make of that final result, the fact that you elected two sort of left-wing mayors in

00:02:28.500 Calgary and Edmonton? And one of the first things, I think the first thing that Jody

00:02:31.820 Gondek in Calgary did was declare a climate emergency and sort of capitulate to the

00:02:35.960 Trudeau liberal message when it comes to climate alarmism.

00:02:38.740 Well, I think the overall number for the equalization referendum and the election of

00:02:49.580 the two mayors are linked. I think there was a little bit of the Jason Kenney effect in

00:02:54.040 this. And both the left-wing, top left-wing mayoralty candidates benefited from the fact

00:03:02.460 that right now our premier is decidedly unpopular and it's bringing down the numbers for

00:03:07.740 conservatives across the whole. It wasn't uncommon for people from all over the province the next

00:03:13.640 day to be texting each other saying, is the conservative movement dead in Alberta? And

00:03:16.980 the answer is no, it's not. But it's hurting right now. And that hurting translated both

00:03:23.860 into a slower result than would have been ideal on the equalization referendum and into Jody

00:03:29.400 Gondek winning in Calgary and Amarjit Sohi winning in Edmonton. There's more to the municipal

00:03:36.060 elections than just Kenny. But the fact that Kenny isn't popular right now doesn't help.

00:03:41.100 Interesting. You say that the votes in equalization were as strong as it could be. I mean,

00:03:45.680 62% is a huge majority. That's a decisive vote. Any politician walking away with 62% of the vote

00:03:53.600 is pretty happy, Vitor. So interesting to hear you say that it wasn't quite what it could be.

00:03:57.580 In all honesty, I've seen polling from 2018 and 2019 that had more than 60% of new Democratic voters

00:04:05.820 then supporting doing something about equalization. I think there were an awful lot of people who went

00:04:12.340 into the ballot box and said, I can vote no here and send Jason Kenney a message. Whereas a whole

00:04:18.600 bunch of, you know, 62% of Albertans went into the box and said, I'm voting yes to send Justin Trudeau a

00:04:25.040 message. There's sort of a fundamental understanding in Alberta that equalization as it's currently done

00:04:31.840 is unfair. And it's unfair to Alberta. It's just not a fair system. And so there's this sense of that

00:04:40.340 that's pervasive. Unfortunately, this question, this vote at this time became about more than just

00:04:46.780 that. But still, 62%. It's almost two to one. That's a real number. That's a real vote.

00:04:54.700 It makes a difference.

00:04:57.780 Well, on a similar topic there, one of the things that we discussed on election night and that was

00:05:02.540 just really obvious throughout the entire lead up to the referendum was how little there was really

00:05:08.740 coverage of it mentioned. But we didn't really see federal conservative MPs going out stumping for

00:05:13.280 the question. We barely heard anything in the weeks leading up to it from Kenny. So it's interesting

00:05:17.700 the media is now framing it as like, this is Jason Kenney's pet project. When really leading up to it,

00:05:23.620 it was almost like he was distancing himself from it.

00:05:27.340 My personal opinion has been that Jason Kenney's never been highly enthusiastic about this project.

00:05:32.120 It was a campaign promise that he made because it was popular, but this is not an instinctive space

00:05:37.960 for him. He is not one of these politicians that is looking forward to constitutional negotiations.

00:05:44.140 He comes from the school that says, learn from Meech, learn from Charlottetown, 0.94

00:05:48.000 never have constitutional negotiations again. There's an awful lot of Albertans who are like,

00:05:54.320 yeah, learn from Meech, learn from Charlottetown, have constitutional negotiations when necessary.

00:05:59.560 Just the mere fact that we can have those conversations is good for readjusting the

00:06:05.720 mind frame of the rest of the country. And there's some reason to be hopeful about that.

00:06:10.680 And well, and you really, you did sort of see the sort of lack of excitement from Kenny,

00:06:19.200 but the idea that I think a lot of Albertans recognize is that Alberta should be learning

00:06:25.000 from Quebec. You know, Quebec really knows how to put its interests first, to communicate

00:06:29.620 for them. These previous referendums were kind of a pathway to getting more political power within

00:06:34.740 the Canadian system. It seemed to me that Kenny chose the referendum route because the alternative

00:06:40.200 was like, a lot of people talking about separation or independence. And this was kind of like a way

00:06:45.640 out within the Canadian Confederation. So what do you think the results say about the future of

00:06:51.300 Alberta within Canada?

00:06:54.600 I think when you combine the results coming out on the same day as a Trudeau cabinet that is

00:07:02.420 decidedly anti-Alberta. I mean, that Trudeau cabinet, taking the old environment minister and putting

00:07:09.380 him in charge of natural resources, taking the most radical, least practical, least normal person in

00:07:18.760 his entire caucus and making him the environment minister, that is a shot. It's not a shot across

00:07:25.940 the bow. That's a shot in the foot to Alberta with a threat that the gun's going to start moving up. 1.00

00:07:36.740 It's a scary thing. I think alienation and a sense of needing to do something is going to increase

00:07:44.340 dramatically over the next weeks and months. You know, there's going to be an awful lot of pressure

00:07:51.860 on Kenny to fight Ottawa, something that really he hasn't been doing. He was kind of hired to fight

00:07:57.780 Ottawa. You know, I was deeply involved in that original UCP leadership race. And there was an

00:08:04.100 awful lot of feeling of, you know, Jason Kenny's a fighter and we need a fighter to go fight Justin

00:08:08.980 Trudeau. And, you know, he's not the nicest guy in the race, but we don't need a nice guy. We need a tough

00:08:14.020 guy.

00:08:15.380 And then Premier Kenny was pretty mild. And so I think, you know, that was the beginning of some

00:08:20.180 of the problems that he's had. And he's got a chance now to act on them to change things around.

00:08:25.940 But I'm not sure that that will necessarily happen.

00:08:29.220 Yeah, I remember people talking about how, you know, even just the fact that he spoke French so

00:08:32.900 fluently could be used as a way to improve Alberta's voice within the country to have our voice heard,

00:08:39.620 have your voice heard in Quebec. And you're right, you don't really see a lot of that.

00:08:43.300 It's horrible, actually, because let me give you a couple of examples just in the last month

00:08:48.820 of brutal things that have happened in Quebec that impact Alberta that Jason Kenny's French never

00:08:54.980 talked about. One, the Premier of Quebec has ruled that Quebec will stop the exploration of oil and

00:09:04.180 gas inside Quebec. People don't know this, but Quebec has gas fields that are bigger than the gas

00:09:09.700 fields of the North Sea. If Quebec wanted to explore its natural gas, if Quebec wanted to frack,

00:09:16.020 like upstate New York and Pennsylvania do, Quebec would be a global exporter of liquid natural gas,

00:09:23.140 and a significant one. But Quebec has chosen not to, one, because they don't want the extra money,

00:09:27.780 because they would lose equalization. But when the Premier of one of our provinces announced that

00:09:33.300 the exploration of oil and gas was shut down in this province, and in effect, is confiscating the

00:09:39.140 resources of some companies, including Alberta companies, the very, very fluent in French Premier

00:09:45.220 of Alberta said absolutely nothing. Then just last week, after Elections Canada announced that using the

00:09:52.740 set formula that's in the Constitution, for the allocation of seats, that Alberta will get three new

00:09:58.420 seats once seats are reallocated, and Quebec will lose one, the Premier of Quebec came out and said,

00:10:04.740 not a chance. Quebec will never lose a seat. Quebec should get more seats. Percentages and

00:10:10.500 proportional representation and any sort of fair representation don't matter. And the Premier of

00:10:17.060 Alberta, again, was silent. Like, these are issues where he needs to be speaking up. He's just not speaking

00:10:24.100 up. And it's part of the reason why he's got political problems right now. Certainly. What

00:10:28.660 did you make of Justin Trudeau's response? He basically just said this is a partisan political

00:10:32.740 thing, and that he doesn't seem like he's really going to weigh it very, very deeply. What do you

00:10:37.540 think about Trudeau? I think Trudeau is going to try for as long as he can not to have constitutional

00:10:43.460 discussions. And in the process, he's going to feed alienation into Alberta. But in some ways, Trudeau is

00:10:49.300 going to be saved from his bad strategic decision to avoid these discussions by the fact that

00:10:58.100 COVID is going to make all of the small provinces want constitutional discussions in the next 18 to

00:11:05.220 24 months. This is the part that there's a weird confluence of timing happening here. Alberta wants to 1.00

00:11:11.460 have constitutional discussions about equalization. But what's happening in all of the small provinces is

00:11:16.340 that health care, which was 40, 45, 48% of their budgets, post-COVID, when they have to make changes

00:11:23.300 to how their health care system works, and how their seniors care system works, health care is going to

00:11:27.940 be 60% of their budgets. And they can't afford it. They can't find people to buy their bonds. I mean,

00:11:35.220 Newfoundland is functionally bankrupt. Their bonds are being picked up by the government of Canada.

00:11:41.060 The truth is most of the provinces, up to 40% of their bonds are being picked up by the government

00:11:45.860 of Canada. Provinces can't print money, but they have the long-term year-over-year costs associated

00:11:53.700 with dealing with COVID. And it's not dealing with COVID in the moment, it's dealing with how COVID

00:11:58.500 has reprogrammed our brains in terms of thinking about seniors care and health care. So we're 18 to 24

00:12:05.460 months from all these small provinces saying, yeah, we need to meet and discuss the constitution and

00:12:09.380 the allocations of money and how health care get done. And that opens the door for Jason Kenney to

00:12:13.620 insert equalization into the discussion. And to be fair to Jason yesterday, he did recognize that

00:12:19.940 equalization is only one of Alberta's grievances. Once you open up the constitution, you start talking

00:12:24.660 about things. There might be things that matter to us more than equalization to become trade-offs in

00:12:30.900 the equalization health care discussion. Let's talk a little bit about health care, because I know we

00:12:36.420 kind of got into this on election night, and you had that great piece over in the National Post where

00:12:39.860 you were talking about why it is that Alberta and Jason Kenney couldn't do what Ron DeSantos did.

00:12:46.020 You know, Ron DeSantos has become incredibly popular among the conservative base in the United States,

00:12:50.980 and he's got a following of admirers up in Canada as well. So many people were saying,

00:12:57.380 why can't we just do what Texas is doing? Why can't we do what Florida is doing? You know,

00:13:01.140 the media are absolutely vicious to Ron DeSantos. They call him Ron Death Santos. And, you know,

00:13:07.780 they accuse him of murder. Meanwhile, you know, Florida's booming. Everybody's moving to Florida.

00:13:12.580 Everybody's moving their company to Florida. The real estate in Florida is going crazy. And the

00:13:17.460 reason that everyone wants to be there is because it's like normal America again, like they've gone

00:13:20.980 completely back. And you made the argument that, you know, even if Jason Kenney wanted to take that

00:13:25.860 approach, the results would be drastically different. So why don't you explain that to us here?

00:13:31.380 We can't handle the percentage numbers of COVID. COVID is real. But if you have enough capacity to

00:13:40.100 absorb the punch, you have different policy options that you can choose. So in the United States,

00:13:46.580 especially in the bigger states, but frankly, in any state relative to Canada,

00:13:50.340 they have more hospital capacity to handle the small percentage of people who will get very sick

00:13:58.660 when they get COVID. That small percentage of people wipes out our systems. So in Alberta,

00:14:05.300 when we got to the level of 18 people per 100,000 were hospitalizable with COVID. That's 18 per 100,000.

00:14:13.380 So if you think about it, if you're living somewhere in a medium sized city in Canada,

00:14:17.300 and it's a 100,000 person city, if 18 people are sick at once with a disease, that overruns your

00:14:24.180 hospital system. It's not actually built to handle that capacity. Whereas the Americans, 0.81

00:14:29.460 some of these big states can handle 45 per 100,000, no problem. And so the net effect of that is that

00:14:36.580 you can absorb the punch of people getting sick while you go to an open the economy strategy,

00:14:43.060 recognize that 95, 96% of the people who get COVID will get a very mild version of it. 3% will get a

00:14:52.020 version of it that is bad enough that they want to visit the hospital, but the hospital will send

00:14:58.100 them home because they're still okay and, you know, monitor and be careful. And then you get that small

00:15:03.220 3%, 2% that actually end up having to be hospitalized for a little bit. The vast majority of those will

00:15:09.300 recover and be okay. But it's all about the numbers and your ability to absorb the punch that is COVID.

00:15:16.260 In Canada, we don't have the hospital space. We've got publicly funded hospitals and we have just enough

00:15:22.260 hospitals. And we have just enough hospitals run by middling ability bureaucrats who built centralized 1.00

00:15:31.060 systems that are inflexible and can't adjust to the need to absorb a punch. And so those policy

00:15:40.020 options are just not available to us. If we tried them in Canada, lots and lots of people would die.

00:15:45.860 Doctors and nurses would flee the health system because it would just become too catastrophic and

00:15:49.860 the pain would be too great. But our politicians don't want to talk about that because that's

00:15:55.060 admitting that something that they bragged about for generations is actually a failure.

00:16:00.020 Right. Like the elephant in the room here is that Canada's centralized, socialized healthcare system

00:16:04.340 isn't doing very well. And on top of that, I mean, there's two kind of questions that come next.

00:16:09.700 The first one is that we're now into our second year of COVID. We're approaching the two-year mark,

00:16:15.300 you know, in a couple months here. Why haven't they done anything to increase the capacity? And then on the

00:16:21.140 other side, Vitor, you have a situation where the hospitals and provinces are implementing vaccine

00:16:28.340 mandates so that if you are a nurse or a doctor who objects to getting COVID vaccine for your own

00:16:33.220 personal reasons or health reasons or whatever, you risk getting fired. In British Columbia,

00:16:38.660 the nurses' union said that that was about 20% of the workforce. So you have a situation where

00:16:45.380 nothing's changed in two years despite knowing that we need more ICU capacity. And because of politics

00:16:51.860 and ideology, they're going to artificially reduce their capacity even further by potentially firing

00:16:57.140 people who refuse to get in line with this ideology that everyone must be vaccinated.

00:17:03.780 There's a variety of things that have caused this. One is that in, with the exception of Quebec,

00:17:11.300 everybody had a very mild first wave. And at that point, early in the first wave, everybody is

00:17:17.380 planning for special case medicine. We're going to build field hospitals. We're going to do things

00:17:23.220 differently because this is a pandemic and it could be very deadly. And we just can't let a pandemic

00:17:28.980 destroy our hospital system. So we're going to plan on doing things differently. And then that first wave

00:17:33.620 wasn't that bad. And then the horrible bureaucrats and the cheapskate politicians, because the two go 1.00

00:17:42.900 together, said, well, that wasn't too bad. We can handle this with our normal system. We can handle 0.61

00:17:48.100 this with normal health care. And so they planned for the second wave with normal health care. And the

00:17:53.460 second wave was bad in a lot of places, but the healthcare system could handle it. The third wave was

00:17:59.620 bad in a lot of places and the healthcare systems started to get creaky. Alberta's the only one that's had a

00:18:04.100 fourth wave yet. It's coming. Don't be smug if you're in another province. The virus is going to virus and it's coming for you.

00:18:12.740 You might think you've done stuff right. You haven't. The vaccines won't protect you.

00:18:17.380 They're not enough coverage. When you get that big fourth wave, it just smashes through it.

00:18:24.580 And then because those bureaucrats have never, they literally stopped thinking about the special type of

00:18:30.420 emergency triage medicine outside the bounds of normal medicine in May of 2020. And they kind of

00:18:38.260 refuse to go back to it. Every now and then they pay lip service to it. Alberta, we kept talking

00:18:42.580 about that we would reopen our specialized COVID hospitals that we built at very great expense,

00:18:47.620 but no human being actually ever lay in a bed in there. The sort of bureaucrat that ends up running

00:18:56.100 a centralized system isn't highly imaginative. Imaginativeness is not the skill set we hire for

00:19:05.700 in that category. And then we get what we hire for. That seems to be the problem in a lot of

00:19:11.460 different sectors. I want to ask you one final question here. And we talked a little bit about

00:19:17.780 how Kenny didn't really campaign enough for this, but I want to shift and talk a little bit about the

00:19:22.500 media and the way that they frame this question. Because one of the things that I've seen in the

00:19:26.740 last couple of days since the last, I guess, days since the result came out is the media sort of

00:19:31.300 trying to discredit this equalization result. Like Jason Kenney said that 62% of Albertans voted for

00:19:37.540 this. And then a CBC reporter, or I think it was CTV reporter, corrected him saying, no, it wasn't 62%

00:19:43.460 of Albertans. It was 62% of voters. And then you had some lawyer out at McGill saying that voter turnout

00:19:49.540 was so low. So we shouldn't interpret this as being 62%. We should interpret it more like 25%,

00:19:54.180 which, you know, any election in Canada could be seen through that lens, but you don't hear

00:19:59.060 a bunch of professors and lawyers jumping out, making these points.

00:20:02.340 I actually want to jump right in on that point. Justin Trudeau got 31% of what I think was a 58%

00:20:10.900 turnout. So it's, he got about 18 and a half percent of the eligible voters in Canada voted for him.

00:20:18.100 And he's prime minister with all of the totalitarian powers that come with it.

00:20:22.180 Right. I don't hear, I don't hear all these professors jumping up and down saying he's

00:20:25.220 only got 12 or 18% of the vote here.

00:20:27.300 Uh, this, the equalization referendum was weird in the sense that the only people campaigning

00:20:32.260 for no were the professors and the media who always love going to the professors because it's,

00:20:37.380 you know, so much easier than actually doing their jobs. We're happy to put the professors on.

00:20:42.100 Um, they were cheerleading against this frankly, because Jason Kenney has a huge media problem.

00:20:47.140 Uh, they, they really dislike him. They dislike him more than Albertans in general. Uh, he's handled

00:20:52.900 the media very badly. Um, having, recognizing that the media aren't your friends is important.

00:21:03.300 Running away from the media or running at the media all the time is not a particularly

00:21:08.340 successful strategist strategy for conservative politics. It's funny because Jason Kenney,

00:21:12.500 a successful federal cabinet minister was famous for the fact that he made time for the media,

00:21:19.220 that he wasn't the negative, um, you know, run away from the media person that some elements of

00:21:25.940 the, the Harper government were, uh, Jason Kenney premier is, got the worst media management strategy

00:21:33.220 since Alison Redford. Well, I, I, I, you know, uh, we at true north have come up against that

00:21:38.580 odd media strategy. So I, I won't, I won't try to refute that idea, but I, I, I generally speaking,

00:21:44.180 Vitor think that the media in this country, particularly the media in Alberta, but, but even

00:21:48.980 federally, uh, are never going to be fair to conservatives. And so instead of spending so much

00:21:53.540 time trying to win them over and, and, and appeal to them and try to, you know, appease the global

00:21:58.420 and male CBC crowd, uh, conservatives would be better, uh, would have better use of their time 0.88

00:22:03.140 if they just opposed media, went through their own platforms and distributions. Again, the way that we

00:22:07.700 see someone like Ron DeSantos, uh, doing in the U S like I said, they call him Ron DeSantos and he

00:22:12.820 smacks them down when he, when they come to him with false information or they write a false story about

00:22:16.660 him, he's unafraid to push back and explain to them why they're wrong. And I think that's why the

00:22:21.700 conservative base love a politician like DeSantos so much. And for some reason, Kenny, um, you know,

00:22:28.660 he does that a little bit too, but, uh, because of it, he, he just gets his awful, awful coverage.

00:22:34.980 We could do a deep dive into the technical nature of how you manage the media and how you present

00:22:39.380 messages. There's a, Jason Kenny stuck in a rut. Uh, his, his way of talking to Albertans hasn't changed.

00:22:50.180 He needs a new result, but he's trying to do the same stuff he was doing before and get a new result.

00:22:56.180 That's that's, that's not good. Uh, he should be the happy warrior who happily slaps down the media

00:23:02.820 when they get it wrong. He's not in that happy warrior frame. Um, uh, our media in Alberta is

00:23:09.380 particularly bad, uh, largely because it's almost non-existent. The, the, the number of media people

00:23:16.180 in Alberta now is there might only be including all of the small town papers, all of the small town

00:23:25.620 radio, uh, all of the small town television across the small cities, there might be fewer than 80 people

00:23:33.060 working in news in the entire province. Wow. And because of that, and, and, and the ones that there

00:23:41.700 are, are generally, you know, really young kids fresh out of J school. They're, they're the wokest of

00:23:50.500 the woke, the leftist of the left. They know nothing. And they are, you're, you're not going

00:23:57.140 to get a fair shake from them, but there is some value sometimes in trying to educate them.

00:24:01.060 Yeah, no, I, I see. I, I, I can attest to that Vitor. Cause I was out at the UCP convention in

00:24:06.580 Calgary a couple of years ago and the media room was like a closet. And there was only like three people

00:24:11.940 in there for the entire province, uh, this UCP conference. And they all, they were all very chummy

00:24:16.500 with each other and you couldn't tell which person worked for one organization from another. They all

00:24:21.060 had the exact same views. So. Yeah. They're not particularly competitive nowadays and it's,

00:24:25.860 it's a problem. And it had, it had a significant impact on the, on the, uh, municipal elections in

00:24:31.220 the sense that in Edmonton, especially, but across small town, Alberta, these elections got less media

00:24:37.220 coverage than any elections I've ever seen before. And when you take municipal elections, which are

00:24:42.020 nonpartisan in Alberta as therefore the voters don't have that, that cheat sheet of, oh, this

00:24:48.740 person's attached to that party. So they're largely going to have these types of principles. Um, and then

00:24:53.860 the media don't cover the race. It becomes solely a name recognition game and you know, new candidates

00:25:03.140 can't introduce new ideas. They can't build personas. And that's largely what we had. We either had

00:25:09.460 pure name recognition or frankly, both Edmonton and Calgary, the unions with their massive internal

00:25:16.740 union lists of unionized workers sending out the emails to their list saying, you know, these are

00:25:23.620 the people we would like you to vote for. And, you know, that you don't get a hundred percent

00:25:29.140 unanimity amongst union workers, but when you don't know anything about any of the candidates,

00:25:33.540 because the media haven't covered them and your union says, these are 12 good people,

00:25:37.540 the likelihood of those 12 good people getting elected is quite high.

00:25:40.740 Wow. Yeah. It's almost like, you know, the federal government giving billions and billions of dollars

00:25:45.140 a year to the media hasn't actually fixed the problem of the lack of local reporting. It's funny

00:25:49.860 how that, how that happens. The government subsidies don't work as, as, as intended, Vitor.

00:25:55.060 It seems to actually have accent, accentuated the lack of political reporting.

00:25:59.060 All right, Vitor, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for helping us make sense of everything

00:26:02.500 out in Alberta. It's great to have you on the show.

00:26:04.420 My pleasure being here. All right. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'm

00:26:07.300 Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

Juno News - October 27, 2021

Alberta sends a clear message to the rest of the country

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