Albertans hit with double tax hike as fuel tax returns
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Chris Simons is the Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and the head of the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation. He joins us to talk about the carbon tax, the reintroduction of the Alberta fuel tax, and the recent carbon tax hike in Alberta.
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universities and colleges have been the ones that for years have loved looking at international
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students as being this giant cash cow because a domestic student who's from canada will pay i
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don't know 7 000 a year in tuition and then you get these international students that are paying
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upwards of 50 60 000 and the universities love it and they have lowered their standards to make
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this happen and it's canada and canadians that have suffered and it's by the way the students
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themselves who are suffering because when the students come and they can't afford a place to
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live they can't afford they can't find a job they actually are not able to devote what they need
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to their studies because they're focused on just trying to deal with this bill of goods they've
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been sold which is not what the country has offered them so no in fact the most pro-immigrant
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position you could take on this is to say that canada has profoundly failed on this so uh we'll
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talk about this more tomorrow like i said this was a fresh admission from justin trudeau just
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this morning in fact uh but to return to where we started yesterday the big carbon tax demonstrations
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took place across the country uh chris sims is the alberta director for the canadian taxpayers
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federation she joins us every monday but we uh bumped it back with yesterday being a holiday at
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true north and chris always good to talk to you you've been very good at not letting the alberta
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government off the hook here because uh just as the federal carbon tax went up yesterday so too
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did the uh the reinstated alberta fuel tax and i i've got to say i mean i've got a lot of time for
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danielle smith you and i have both crossed paths with her many times over the years i've yet to hear a
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compelling reason for why all of the things she's saying about the federal government don't apply
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to her government and the gas tax yeah same here um in fact i was almost tempted to phone you about
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it just off off offline because i'm stumped it's one of those weird situations where she's such a rock
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star when she's taking on prime minister justin trudeau she went right into the lion's den there in
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ottawa and did a great presentation at committee and so like she's absolutely right to take the trudeau
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government to task and say scrap this carbon tax altogether it's a huge waste of money but then
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like puzzlingly in edmonton here at home in alberta we got our fuel tax our provincial fuel tax increased
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all the way back up to its full strength of 13 cents per liter of gasoline and diesel and to your
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point exactly like this is nothing personal big fan of a lot of what premier smith is doing but policy
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wise i can't square this circle this does not make any sense both from a fiscal standpoint or
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from a communication standpoint fiscally they did the right thing when they fully suspended the fuel
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tax here in alberta for a year andrew it saved albertans around a billion dollars having it at zero
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for an entire year then they brought it back up to nine cents per liter uh just at the new year the
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start of 2024 but then they went all the way just yesterday and brought it all the way back up to 13
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and so this is strange that they're doing this considering the fact that they have a balanced
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budget and there's still places for them to cut like why are they handing mega millions of dollars
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to an nhl team to help them build their hockey rink in calgary while you're nailing drivers of everyday
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you know jobs here in alberta for filling up their vehicles and just communications wise i don't get
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this part why would they bigfoot their own victory party why would they overlap their provincial fuel
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tax increase with big bad justin trudeau's carbon tax increase just comms wise i don't even understand
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this play why not leave it at nine cents per liter and kick the can ahead to june or july there's this old
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line that you hear that there is just one taxpayer and that federal spending provincial spending
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municipal spending at the end of the day when it's you have one pocket and when that one dollar
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you've earned comes out of your pocket and goes to government in the abstract and in the grand sense
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it really doesn't matter which one i i mean i used to like jack asters back in the day before the hst
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in ontario uh they used to have the line items on the receipt that you'd get it was like kretzian's tax
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and dalton's tax and then it was like harper's tax and wins tax and i was like i liked it actually
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because you know i told you yeah okay they both have a role to play but at the end of the day
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the hst was a transparent policy because a tax is a tax is a tax and and this is the thing i mean to
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try to distinguish between these two is just from a messaging perspective alone flawed but also it means
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that any criticism she's making to the federal government criticisms with which i agree yes can also
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be pointed back at her government and i i just don't get that i mean her she's been asked about
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it somewhat have you gotten a sense of how she rationalizes it at least i haven't heard her direct
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response many times to be fair and i'd like to hear it frankly again it was her birthday yesterday
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i like so much of what she is doing to be totally fair they've balanced the budget here andrew they
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wrote it into law that they must keep spending increases restrained below the rate of inflation
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plus population growth uh they're paying down the debt uh they're putting money away for a rainy day
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like those are really good things but it just pains me when they turn around and do nonsensical things
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like jacking up the fuel tax back up to full strength and i can hear some people right now within
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the ucp saying well technically you know a barrel of oil is getting up there in price okay fair enough
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when former premier jason kenney first announced this policy yes it was tied to the price of a
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barrel of oil once the price of a barrel of oil got up to i think it's 90 per ton 90 per barrel rather
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they would then drop the fuel tax back down but it was not getting to that range when premier smith
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new premier smith fully dropped it down to zero for a year she did so for affordability reasons and also
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to take some of the sting out of the federal carbon tax and this is where i think you know what if this
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is my hunch i don't know for sure i think what's happened is uh what's often called dome disease in
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alberta and that's where a politician who's elected really grassrootsy very connected to the average
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person gets in put into office there in edmonton and then the bureaucrats who work in the department of
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the treasury board they get in there and those types who don't run for election they don't need to
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talk to average voters they love trying to find new taxes it's those sorts of pointy heads that
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keep suggesting a pst here in alberta for example or new fees on all sorts of stuff so they can take
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in more money because those folks are always looking at that revenue column how much money government's
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taking in fair enough but politicians need to stand up to these people and say you know what no read the
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room we're not going to increase taxes and when you combine it andrew with just i think it's just this
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morning where ndp premier of manitoba wab canoe came out and said yeah i'm extending my fuel tax
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holiday so folks in manitoba are saving 14 cents per liter of gasoline and diesel zero they're paying
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zero provincial fuel taxes in manitoba we got full freight 13. i i don't understand there's a great quote
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from milton friedman which is to be honest i i don't love the i i like my version of the quote better
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because his is like more uh clinical in nature but but the effective meaning of it is that you
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shouldn't try to elect the right people you should try to create the circumstances where even the
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wrong people do the right things which naturally leads us to manitoba which has an ndp government
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an ndp government which has not been great on the carbon tax they've not been terrible they've been
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very wishy-washy but even in manitoba their government is extending this fuel tax holiday
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that's right and i've always loved that modified quote you use because it actually gives people a
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lot of hope even outside of taxes so everything that's gone on the past four or five years or
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whatever it can get people down pretty fast and i really like that method and that way of looking at
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it i remember you telling me that years ago and it cheered me right up because then that means that
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we can fix stuff we can create the conditions where even politicians who are you know lukewarm still
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nonetheless do the right thing and in this case in manitoba again no no knock on wab canoe he seems
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like a very personable person actually um they're they've i guess created the conditions where they're
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doing the right thing and so we're really happy to see that and strangely this is where things are a
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little bit twilight zone here in alberta we're even seeing some of the ndp candidates for the
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provincial party because former premier rachel notley is stepping down they're having an ndp leadership
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race some of the ndp candidates have come out and said yeah we need to scrap the federal carbon tax
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now there's a lot of asterisks around there so i don't know how they feel about a provincial one i
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don't know what kind of terminology they're going to use but even to have them saying out loud with
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their face we're opposed to the carbon tax is huge so this is a big game changer and so again it would
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be really nice to be able to just full throat uh approve of what the alberta government is doing when
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they're rallying cry against the federal carbon tax but it's really tough to do so when just cost
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wise straight up math we are now paying higher taxes at the fuel pump i i have to take a bit of
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an indulgence here chris did you listen to the song i sent you i haven't had a chance to yet okay okay
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we're gonna do this now so okay i admittedly i sent it and chris thought i was like some
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like my chris thought i've been hacked and was like fishing her or something i did i totally thought
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you've been hacked i'm like and then i looked because i was like she always responds to me
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within like five seconds then i went and looked at the email like oh yeah this looks like a spam
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email it's like hey check out this ai generated song anyway so last week i discovered this ai song
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machine and i was like and i was just having some fun with it and uh chris has just been such a
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wonderful fixture on the show we thought she needed her own theme song for the show let's roll it
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in the land of oil and cattle there's a woman named chris sim she's got a fire in her heart
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fighting against the government's whims she ain't afraid to speak her mind stand up for what's right
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a voice for the common folk she's a beacon shining bright
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she's crusading against taxes you are for the hard-working folks out there
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she believes in limited government in freedom she declared with a heart full of passion and a
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spirit unyielding chris sims is the voice her message is appealing there we go
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all right we can end it there that is so nice thank you chris sims you're the voice of alberta
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and we're so glad you spend a little bit of your week with us keep up the great word keep up the
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fight this is what happens when you don't open my emails you miss out on uh
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on a i suddenly love something ai made this is wonderful you know there's always room for growth
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that's really touching thank you for that so my wife has very little tolerance for ai generated
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anything so like she was like stop sending me your freaking song so i'm like all right well my uh
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i guess i guess i just have to share them with the audience now i think i'm done for now i think
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i'm done for now i might make a couple more sean was upset that he didn't have one so i had a nice
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jazz song written about him needing to back off and let me do the ai songs it actually slapped us
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the kids say these days so all right well chris sims we will talk to you next week thank you so much
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for coming on as always that was lit thanks andrew thanks for listening to the andrew lawton show
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