Juno News - April 06, 2024


Albertans hit with double tax hike as fuel tax returns


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Chris Simons is the Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and the head of the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation. He joins us to talk about the carbon tax, the reintroduction of the Alberta fuel tax, and the recent carbon tax hike in Alberta.

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00:00:00.000 universities and colleges have been the ones that for years have loved looking at international
00:00:13.780 students as being this giant cash cow because a domestic student who's from canada will pay i
00:00:19.740 don't know 7 000 a year in tuition and then you get these international students that are paying 0.77
00:00:24.100 upwards of 50 60 000 and the universities love it and they have lowered their standards to make
00:00:32.160 this happen and it's canada and canadians that have suffered and it's by the way the students
00:00:37.300 themselves who are suffering because when the students come and they can't afford a place to
00:00:42.120 live they can't afford they can't find a job they actually are not able to devote what they need
00:00:47.180 to their studies because they're focused on just trying to deal with this bill of goods they've
00:00:53.140 been sold which is not what the country has offered them so no in fact the most pro-immigrant
00:00:59.460 position you could take on this is to say that canada has profoundly failed on this so uh we'll
00:01:06.640 talk about this more tomorrow like i said this was a fresh admission from justin trudeau just
00:01:10.960 this morning in fact uh but to return to where we started yesterday the big carbon tax demonstrations
00:01:17.140 took place across the country uh chris sims is the alberta director for the canadian taxpayers
00:01:22.360 federation she joins us every monday but we uh bumped it back with yesterday being a holiday at
00:01:27.800 true north and chris always good to talk to you you've been very good at not letting the alberta
00:01:32.440 government off the hook here because uh just as the federal carbon tax went up yesterday so too
00:01:37.560 did the uh the reinstated alberta fuel tax and i i've got to say i mean i've got a lot of time for
00:01:43.480 danielle smith you and i have both crossed paths with her many times over the years i've yet to hear a
00:01:48.840 compelling reason for why all of the things she's saying about the federal government don't apply
00:01:53.880 to her government and the gas tax yeah same here um in fact i was almost tempted to phone you about
00:02:00.120 it just off off offline because i'm stumped it's one of those weird situations where she's such a rock
00:02:06.920 star when she's taking on prime minister justin trudeau she went right into the lion's den there in
00:02:11.560 ottawa and did a great presentation at committee and so like she's absolutely right to take the trudeau
00:02:17.480 government to task and say scrap this carbon tax altogether it's a huge waste of money but then
00:02:22.920 like puzzlingly in edmonton here at home in alberta we got our fuel tax our provincial fuel tax increased
00:02:30.600 all the way back up to its full strength of 13 cents per liter of gasoline and diesel and to your
00:02:36.600 point exactly like this is nothing personal big fan of a lot of what premier smith is doing but policy
00:02:43.160 wise i can't square this circle this does not make any sense both from a fiscal standpoint or
00:02:51.000 from a communication standpoint fiscally they did the right thing when they fully suspended the fuel
00:02:56.840 tax here in alberta for a year andrew it saved albertans around a billion dollars having it at zero
00:03:02.760 for an entire year then they brought it back up to nine cents per liter uh just at the new year the
00:03:08.440 start of 2024 but then they went all the way just yesterday and brought it all the way back up to 13
00:03:14.840 and so this is strange that they're doing this considering the fact that they have a balanced
00:03:19.560 budget and there's still places for them to cut like why are they handing mega millions of dollars
00:03:25.320 to an nhl team to help them build their hockey rink in calgary while you're nailing drivers of everyday
00:03:32.520 you know jobs here in alberta for filling up their vehicles and just communications wise i don't get
00:03:39.320 this part why would they bigfoot their own victory party why would they overlap their provincial fuel
00:03:46.760 tax increase with big bad justin trudeau's carbon tax increase just comms wise i don't even understand
00:03:53.800 this play why not leave it at nine cents per liter and kick the can ahead to june or july there's this old
00:04:01.560 line that you hear that there is just one taxpayer and that federal spending provincial spending
00:04:07.160 municipal spending at the end of the day when it's you have one pocket and when that one dollar
00:04:11.800 you've earned comes out of your pocket and goes to government in the abstract and in the grand sense
00:04:16.760 it really doesn't matter which one i i mean i used to like jack asters back in the day before the hst
00:04:22.440 in ontario uh they used to have the line items on the receipt that you'd get it was like kretzian's tax
00:04:29.400 and dalton's tax and then it was like harper's tax and wins tax and i was like i liked it actually
00:04:34.520 because you know i told you yeah okay they both have a role to play but at the end of the day
00:04:37.960 the hst was a transparent policy because a tax is a tax is a tax and and this is the thing i mean to
00:04:43.480 try to distinguish between these two is just from a messaging perspective alone flawed but also it means
00:04:50.120 that any criticism she's making to the federal government criticisms with which i agree yes can also
00:04:55.880 be pointed back at her government and i i just don't get that i mean her she's been asked about
00:05:01.000 it somewhat have you gotten a sense of how she rationalizes it at least i haven't heard her direct
00:05:07.720 response many times to be fair and i'd like to hear it frankly again it was her birthday yesterday
00:05:16.120 i like so much of what she is doing to be totally fair they've balanced the budget here andrew they
00:05:21.080 wrote it into law that they must keep spending increases restrained below the rate of inflation
00:05:26.600 plus population growth uh they're paying down the debt uh they're putting money away for a rainy day
00:05:31.400 like those are really good things but it just pains me when they turn around and do nonsensical things
00:05:38.200 like jacking up the fuel tax back up to full strength and i can hear some people right now within
00:05:42.600 the ucp saying well technically you know a barrel of oil is getting up there in price okay fair enough
00:05:48.680 when former premier jason kenney first announced this policy yes it was tied to the price of a
00:05:54.120 barrel of oil once the price of a barrel of oil got up to i think it's 90 per ton 90 per barrel rather
00:06:01.160 they would then drop the fuel tax back down but it was not getting to that range when premier smith
00:06:07.640 new premier smith fully dropped it down to zero for a year she did so for affordability reasons and also
00:06:15.080 to take some of the sting out of the federal carbon tax and this is where i think you know what if this
00:06:21.000 is my hunch i don't know for sure i think what's happened is uh what's often called dome disease in
00:06:26.840 alberta and that's where a politician who's elected really grassrootsy very connected to the average
00:06:32.200 person gets in put into office there in edmonton and then the bureaucrats who work in the department of
00:06:38.680 the treasury board they get in there and those types who don't run for election they don't need to
00:06:43.800 talk to average voters they love trying to find new taxes it's those sorts of pointy heads that
00:06:49.400 keep suggesting a pst here in alberta for example or new fees on all sorts of stuff so they can take
00:06:55.320 in more money because those folks are always looking at that revenue column how much money government's 1.00
00:06:59.880 taking in fair enough but politicians need to stand up to these people and say you know what no read the
00:07:05.880 room we're not going to increase taxes and when you combine it andrew with just i think it's just this
00:07:11.400 morning where ndp premier of manitoba wab canoe came out and said yeah i'm extending my fuel tax
00:07:18.120 holiday so folks in manitoba are saving 14 cents per liter of gasoline and diesel zero they're paying
00:07:24.600 zero provincial fuel taxes in manitoba we got full freight 13. i i don't understand there's a great quote
00:07:32.040 from milton friedman which is to be honest i i don't love the i i like my version of the quote better
00:07:37.880 because his is like more uh clinical in nature but but the effective meaning of it is that you
00:07:43.000 shouldn't try to elect the right people you should try to create the circumstances where even the
00:07:46.840 wrong people do the right things which naturally leads us to manitoba which has an ndp government
00:07:52.200 an ndp government which has not been great on the carbon tax they've not been terrible they've been
00:07:56.520 very wishy-washy but even in manitoba their government is extending this fuel tax holiday
00:08:01.880 that's right and i've always loved that modified quote you use because it actually gives people a
00:08:08.280 lot of hope even outside of taxes so everything that's gone on the past four or five years or
00:08:13.400 whatever it can get people down pretty fast and i really like that method and that way of looking at
00:08:18.680 it i remember you telling me that years ago and it cheered me right up because then that means that
00:08:22.760 we can fix stuff we can create the conditions where even politicians who are you know lukewarm still
00:08:30.600 nonetheless do the right thing and in this case in manitoba again no no knock on wab canoe he seems
00:08:36.120 like a very personable person actually um they're they've i guess created the conditions where they're
00:08:41.560 doing the right thing and so we're really happy to see that and strangely this is where things are a
00:08:47.160 little bit twilight zone here in alberta we're even seeing some of the ndp candidates for the
00:08:52.920 provincial party because former premier rachel notley is stepping down they're having an ndp leadership
00:08:57.560 race some of the ndp candidates have come out and said yeah we need to scrap the federal carbon tax
00:09:03.400 now there's a lot of asterisks around there so i don't know how they feel about a provincial one i
00:09:08.760 don't know what kind of terminology they're going to use but even to have them saying out loud with
00:09:13.320 their face we're opposed to the carbon tax is huge so this is a big game changer and so again it would
00:09:20.040 be really nice to be able to just full throat uh approve of what the alberta government is doing when
00:09:25.800 they're rallying cry against the federal carbon tax but it's really tough to do so when just cost
00:09:32.120 wise straight up math we are now paying higher taxes at the fuel pump i i have to take a bit of
00:09:38.600 an indulgence here chris did you listen to the song i sent you i haven't had a chance to yet okay okay
00:09:44.040 we're gonna do this now so okay i admittedly i sent it and chris thought i was like some
00:09:48.600 like my chris thought i've been hacked and was like fishing her or something i did i totally thought
00:09:52.920 you've been hacked i'm like and then i looked because i was like she always responds to me
00:09:55.960 within like five seconds then i went and looked at the email like oh yeah this looks like a spam
00:09:59.000 email it's like hey check out this ai generated song anyway so last week i discovered this ai song
00:10:04.680 machine and i was like and i was just having some fun with it and uh chris has just been such a
00:10:09.560 wonderful fixture on the show we thought she needed her own theme song for the show let's roll it 1.00
00:10:14.440 in the land of oil and cattle there's a woman named chris sim she's got a fire in her heart 1.00
00:10:26.200 fighting against the government's whims she ain't afraid to speak her mind stand up for what's right
00:10:36.520 a voice for the common folk she's a beacon shining bright
00:10:44.440 she's crusading against taxes you are for the hard-working folks out there 1.00
00:10:52.360 she believes in limited government in freedom she declared with a heart full of passion and a
00:11:01.400 spirit unyielding chris sims is the voice her message is appealing there we go
00:11:09.880 all right we can end it there that is so nice thank you chris sims you're the voice of alberta
00:11:22.200 and we're so glad you spend a little bit of your week with us keep up the great word keep up the
00:11:27.320 fight this is what happens when you don't open my emails you miss out on uh
00:11:30.680 on a i suddenly love something ai made this is wonderful you know there's always room for growth
00:11:38.280 that's really touching thank you for that so my wife has very little tolerance for ai generated 1.00
00:11:43.320 anything so like she was like stop sending me your freaking song so i'm like all right well my uh
00:11:47.560 i guess i guess i just have to share them with the audience now i think i'm done for now i think
00:11:51.160 i'm done for now i might make a couple more sean was upset that he didn't have one so i had a nice
00:11:56.440 jazz song written about him needing to back off and let me do the ai songs it actually slapped us
00:12:02.120 the kids say these days so all right well chris sims we will talk to you next week thank you so much
00:12:07.000 for coming on as always that was lit thanks andrew thanks for listening to the andrew lawton show
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