Juno News - Andrew Lawton and Russell Brand discuss the World Economic Forum

00:00:00.160 um should we talk to andrew lawton that was actually at davos because whatever we

00:00:04.880 may feel or think about davos we simply haven't got the snow under our feet we are simply unable

00:00:11.120 unlike andrew to feel the genuine atmosphere of davos andrew what's it like there you're having

00:00:16.400 a nice time yeah it's it's great you walk through and everyone's giving you hot chocolate today i

00:00:22.320 was given saudi arabian hot chocolate i was given facebook hot chocolate i was given united arab

00:00:27.600 emirates hot chocolate there's lots of hospitality although a little bit of a cold weather for those

00:00:32.320 of us that are not necessarily used to it i'm canadian so i'm good but some of the others i

00:00:36.720 worry for you can't just douse yourself in hot chocolate in an attempt to inoculate yourself

00:00:42.960 against circumstances uh andrew have you seen anything so far like firstly i just want to get

00:00:48.640 an idea of what it's like is it just like any ordinary conference or can you see any evidence

00:00:53.680 of uh globalist skullduggery aside from the what sounds like delicious hot chocolate i i haven't

00:01:00.800 seen the globalist skullduggery just yet but we're also still getting set up here and it's it's a bit

00:01:06.320 like a weird billionaire trade show because when you walk down the main street all of these stores which

00:01:12.720 the rest of the year are ski shops and coffee shops have all been taken over by corporations that pay a

00:01:18.800 large amount of money just to basically turn themselves into exhibits you've got microsoft

00:01:24.160 and salesforce and uber and amazon and they all just try to bring in politicians and investors into

00:01:30.080 these little uh pavilions they call them lovely metaphor for globalization little local stores taken

00:01:36.320 over by big corporations that's amazing they just turn them into little temporary little booths

00:01:41.440 like you're gonna be shanghaied so essentially wf davos it's like it's a capitalist coachella it's

00:01:50.080 globalist glastonbury it sounds like a lot of fun places where you would be buying a snowboard you

00:01:55.360 could be badgered about investing in uber that's what it's mostly like have you been lured into any of

00:02:00.880 them yet andrew are you remaining discerning as a journalist well can't both be true i i walked into

00:02:07.200 them voluntarily because i i want to get a sense of what the message is that they're giving and

00:02:11.760 interestingly enough i i went in earlier to the muhammad bin salman foundation pavilion this is the

00:02:17.680 foundation that is run by the saudi royal family although not officially and was thrown out of it

00:02:24.080 because my videographer dared to take a video of me walking through what they said was an open tour

00:02:30.320 because they wanted to show off all the work they were doing to the public and it strikes me as a bit

00:02:35.440 odd that they would have the expense and effort of being here to show off what they're doing and then

00:02:41.920 kick out a journalist for daring to want a video of it and i i find this to be very perplexing although

00:02:48.240 not all that surprising at the same time andrew i can explain that to you you are about to engage in

00:02:52.320 what is called malinformation that's information that is true but taken out of context as long as i can

00:02:58.000 control the context of the information i.e you're in a ski resort for globalists now that's the a fine

00:03:04.400 context but you start posting that on your social media and talking about what kind of i'm gonna

00:03:10.000 use the word tomfoolery this time the saudi arabian affiliates might have been engaged in that that

00:03:16.560 could be malinformation it doesn't sound like andrew's been granted the same kind of immunity that

00:03:20.720 the biden administration granted to uh bin salman himself you see that gal's done really because

00:03:27.040 you've been salmon there even though he's not a head of state was granted immunity and the ability to

00:03:31.280 travel into america even after america said that they would make saudi arabia a pariah of the world

00:03:37.040 and presumably that was because of their involvement in the murder of well they're alleged they're

00:03:41.440 alleged hold on we're still on youtube what the hell am i saying so hold on this is the economic forum

00:03:49.440 is that all of the rules that exist everywhere else in the world for these countries don't apply this is

00:03:54.240 the the place that right now is talking about uh russia as being public enemy number one but a couple of

00:03:59.360 years ago had vladimir putin as a keynote speaker it's a country that talks about the importance of

00:04:04.640 free market and international cooperation but rolled out the red carpet for chairman xi jinping they talk

00:04:11.760 about press freedom on one side but invite saudi arabia as being the special partner on the other and

00:04:18.160 and they don't even seem to really care about that hypocrisy because they really are above criticism and

00:04:23.440 that term malinformation is i think a great way that they deflect against that criticism because

00:04:29.120 you just don't understand it you're a conspiracy theorist you you just don't get it you're a bad

00:04:34.320 actor and this is all that happens to anyone who raises what i think are pretty legitimate criticisms

00:04:39.520 about what happens here we're criticizing it and i challenge anyone to call me a bad actor especially

00:04:44.240 if they've seen the film arthur which i believe was very well acted indeed yes by mirran but mainly by me

00:04:50.160 uh mate what kind of workshops they got going on there we've got some of the events that uh that

00:04:55.840 could be attended it reminds me a little bit as a comedian of the edinburgh festival um can we see

00:05:00.720 on screen some of those uh classes that are taking place i know that tony blair is running a sesh

00:05:06.720 over there look at that uh there's brian stelters doing the clear the clear and present danger of this

00:05:12.480 information with brian stelter that's gonna be a good one al gore still going on about how difficult

00:05:19.120 everything is uh and look tony blair a hundred days to outrace the next pandemic with tony blair

00:05:25.440 my god he's got a head start i hope that pandemic because it's him and albert baller and you dared

00:05:31.360 you dared to mock that woman that asked the question about the next pandemic they've got a session called

00:05:35.760 the next pandemic that's outrageous isn't it extraordinary uh which which sessions are you

00:05:41.120 keen to attend andrew well the one uh actually tonight that i'm interested in is about how we can all

00:05:46.880 live a climate positive lifestyle because uh last time they all met in may uh there was this

00:05:53.440 executive with alibaba bragging about how he was inventing this uh individual carbon footprint tracker

00:05:59.680 that monitored what you weighed and where you travel and how you travel and and what you do so i'm

00:06:05.360 wondering if that might feed into the climate positive lifestyle that they're going to be prescribing

00:06:10.080 this evening yes it seems like the management of behavior the ability to observe transaction and

00:06:16.960 the sort of bf skinner style capacity to nudge or even let's face it control the way that we live our 1.00

00:06:24.640 lives where we spend our money how we spend our money seems to be centrifugal to the tenets of uh the the

00:06:31.520 the wef there and when you bring that into conjunction with the advances around ai and therefore

00:06:40.320 and that means another area where working people won't have any power or ability i.e to bond together

00:06:46.400 in low paid work in order to form unions and to oppose the agenda of the powerful seems like they're

00:06:52.880 in a sense creating the perfect conditions for globalism shutting down dissent controlling information

00:06:59.120 for these new terms that are becoming popularized miss mal and dis information um what are you having

00:07:05.040 a look at any of the ai stuff while you're there andrew yeah ai is actually one of the big themes

00:07:10.400 they're moving in towards this year and i mean obviously it's here there's no avoiding it uh it's a

00:07:15.360 part of life now and will become more of one but what's interesting is that on one hand they're

00:07:19.520 celebrating it and really making ai the central focus but on the other hand one of the sessions on the

00:07:24.880 agenda is about how to deal with technology displacing one billion people billion with a b

00:07:30.640 from their jobs because of technology and this is not just replacing some pair of hands on an

00:07:36.160 assembly line with a machine we're talking about now with ai replacing human minds we're talking about

00:07:41.440 replacing thinking individuals and i think it's going to be a heck of a lot more than a billion people

00:07:46.320 that are uh ai'd out of work but the challenge is it's not the people here at davos that are ever going

00:07:52.720 to find themselves out of work because of these innovations and because of these technological

00:07:57.600 developments no one here suffered during the pandemic no one here is going to suffer from the

00:08:03.600 need for re-skilling or retraining because some computer has made their job redundant james melville

00:08:11.360 our guest in the studio similarly was diagnosing as the main problem or flaw in the davos and the davos

00:08:21.360 mentality is that it exposes this bifurcation between the governed and the governing that

00:08:28.240 essentially the the inadvertent metaphor of them being in rarefied air on the top of a mountain

00:08:35.600 issuing decrees that will not affect them but will affect ordinary people whose lives they do not

00:08:41.040 understand nor wish to understand is central to this problem and it seems to me that in a way the

00:08:48.240 amendment to the conditions created by the ability of people to instantaneously communicate through

00:08:53.600 new technology and therefore organize the ability to oppose centralized establishment agenda through

00:08:59.360 the communication of our own stories and narratives in particular those that expose hypocrisy and

00:09:03.840 corruption is one to create this new terminology misinformation disinformation and malinformation

00:09:08.880 and of course to replace working people in this ai era to disempower people so that there's even 0.95

00:09:16.160 less leverage for ordinary people when it comes to countenancing the evident agenda that the wf davos

00:09:23.120 perfectly represents even if you do get a wide array of sweet chocolatey beverages andrew which

00:09:29.600 seem to have swayed you and brought you over to the dark side got a question there gal yeah andrew i was

00:09:36.800 just wondering if you might have any ideas around the kind of distant because obviously one of their big

00:09:40.880 main topics is around disinformation this year and as we've seen with um davos before and the wef

00:09:46.800 things that they've spoken about for example digital id that now we're seeing in california uh gabrie

00:09:52.240 newson is actually bringing in digital id so we are seeing the manifestation of things that are spoken

00:09:56.320 about at davos actually coming to become government policy with this information and misinformation

00:10:01.920 we found a lot out through the twitter files recently in ways in which there were these

00:10:05.680 uh collusions between um big tech and the government so we are learning a bit more about

00:10:11.520 that kind of influence but what do you think the next big play might be to come out of davos uh this

00:10:17.120 year and what and how that what we might see in the future uh manifest well a lot more people are paying

00:10:23.680 attention to the world economic forum now than were five years ago and i think a big part of this was when

00:10:29.760 they came out with their great reset which i know you're very well familiar with in in 2020 as far

00:10:35.360 as rebuilding the world after the pandemic a lot of people who had never really had this organization

00:10:40.240 on their radar started to look into it and as you were talking about with james earlier they start

00:10:44.880 looking through the back catalog and seeing all of these other things that have been talked about

00:10:49.200 before and i think in the context of this year the big challenge we're seeing is that there are

00:10:54.000 conspiracy theories about the world economic forum that have no basis in fact when you hear

00:10:58.480 people talking about you know everyone being uh you know for example this pandemic was planned

00:11:03.840 and orchestrated people being injected with you know 5g chips and stuff like that but the problem

00:11:09.280 is that they use those and elevate those conspiracy theories to deflect all of the other criticism that

00:11:15.680 is very reasoned that is very rooted in fact that is uh very much defined and delivered in terms of

00:11:22.240 their own language their own prescriptions and that's the challenge here and and to go back

00:11:27.280 to the malinformation point i think we're going to start to see more pushes to regulate this form of 0.77

00:11:33.280 information which means to censor this information last year at the annual meeting there was a woman

00:11:40.240 from australia who has a government digital safety commission role who talked about the need to in her

00:11:46.240 words recalibrate uh things that we've always understood and she included in that specifically freedom

00:11:52.320 of speech so we need to recalibrate freedom of speech because it might not apply to the modern era and i

00:11:58.400 think that's going to be something we hear a lot more of and if you look at what the u.s the uk is

00:12:03.440 doing with the online harms bill what canada is doing with a number of internet regulations these things are

00:12:09.680 already coming and i think when you get all these leaders that are of a shared mindset in one place

00:12:14.480 it will accelerate that it also shows that when people with shared interests come together that

00:12:21.760 there is an inevitability that a centralized agenda will emerge andrew of course you wrote the book

00:12:29.440 freedom convoy i wonder if you see in the wef the topics discussed and in particular what you have just

00:12:37.040 said about that we are likely now to see a calibration of freedom of speech a lot of you i know watching this

00:12:42.880 let me know in the chat let me know in the comments regard freedom of speech as an absolute right an

00:12:48.160 absolute value uh obviously excluding immediately and evidently harmful declarations you know the

00:12:56.400 famous fire in a theater example um i wonder how did you how do you feel a globalist agenda played out

00:13:03.680 during the trucker convoy i'm just referring of course to the freezing of bank accounts of people that

00:13:08.880 sought to fund that protest the um media the ongoing media malignment of the trucker or maligning of

00:13:17.680 the truckers and of course the fact that they were responding to a a mandate decree that likely came from

00:13:24.320 centralized and unelected bodies well i don't think anyone who watched what was happening in canada

00:13:30.480 in february of last year uh would be surprised to learn that there's a lot of criticism towards central

00:13:36.160 bank digital currencies why would we ever accept a digital currency that the government controls

00:13:42.640 when we've already seen a government in a so-called democratic nation freeze the bank accounts of its

00:13:47.600 political critics and as an added point there was in canada in i believe it was in may a system outage

00:13:54.480 of the largest telecommunications provider and for a day and a half you could not send money to people

00:14:00.960 you could not use uh debit or credit cards in most retail outlets because they couldn't connect to

00:14:06.080 the internet and i think that was actually a very useful illustration of what happens when everyone's

00:14:11.680 finances is are controlled in a very centralized digital way so i think that is very important

00:14:19.200 here because we're talking about control and you cannot have centralization without control that can

00:14:24.480 be used either in a very malicious way by governments or even just by virtue of technological

00:14:30.640 issues that can come down so i i think that this is something that people need to be more concerned

00:14:35.200 about and people need to pay more attention to and not just be consumed by the so-called convenience

00:14:41.360 of these innovations that they don't realize the inevitable i think outcomes of this in someone

00:14:46.960 who doesn't actually value fundamental freedoms that's brilliant andrew again and again we hear how

00:14:51.840 convenience and safety are used to advance the agenda of these authoritarian regimes that present

00:14:58.480 themselves as anything but authoritarian the promotion of digital ids and centralized currencies

00:15:05.040 ultimately lead to a greater ability to control even if you don't want to directly accuse existing

00:15:10.080 administrations or corporate interests of having that agenda certainly this new technology

00:15:14.720 implemented in that way will afford that ability now andrew you're at davos i want you to include

00:15:21.040 over the coming days we'd like you to stay in touch with us through a variety of social media outlets yes locals

00:15:26.960 where our stay free af community is housed but twitter and elsewhere i'd like to see selfies of you

00:15:32.000 with various power players you klaus schwab in an embrace can you do you think that you can stay in

00:15:38.400 touch with us and get us some of those assets please absolutely in fact uh you mentioned idris alba

00:15:43.760 earlier all of the journalists covering davos have tonight been invited to a reception just for

00:15:49.920 journalists with idris alba so i'll see if i can snag a selfie with him for you yeah because idris

00:15:54.160 elba of everyone there is probably my favorite person there because of luther i like him in a

00:15:59.120 lot of films and not tony blair not anthony scaramucci no actually i do like tony blair as well i think in

00:16:04.480 particular i liked it when he said iraq definitely have got weapons of mass destruction we're gonna 0.96

00:16:08.480 have to go to war with them then i think a million iraqi folk died and then he just sort of said sorry

00:16:12.800 about that and then he grew his hair too long in that lockdown when he looked like sort of nosferatu

00:16:18.800 turned himself into a sort of a literal vampire man yeah him that guy tony blair when i was here

00:16:25.200 when i was here last time nick clegg had a security detail so wacky things happen in davos

00:16:30.720 because who wants nick clegg former leader of the lib dems in our little country the uk now

00:16:36.640 i believe working by coincidence at facebook meta it's weird that's now used to work in the government

00:16:41.440 now he's got a job at facebook meta almost as if there's a sort of a porous relationship between

00:16:45.760 those two organizations he's just good at interviews he's just so get that guy i'll tell

00:16:49.760 you who should run met now him that guy but keep him safe make sure he's got security detail

00:16:55.440 at davos you don't have anyone sloshing hot chocolate up his abdomen all right um hey andrew thanks so

00:17:01.040 much for joining us the first session's about to uh begin which i'll tell you about in a second

00:17:05.760 hopefully andrew's going to scoot on over now to see hilda schwab and idris elba uh at the first

00:17:11.520 wef session i think we're going to try and have a look at it um do you know that uh andrew wrote

00:17:16.080 the book freedom convoy you should follow him on social media and you should do what i do and adore

00:17:21.280 andrew open hardly andrew i hope we speak to you again soon you're a lovely man thank you see you

00:17:27.120 enjoy the rest of davos there he goes oh i loved him he was lovely wasn't he brilliant

Juno News - January 16, 2023

Andrew Lawton and Russell Brand discuss the World Economic Forum

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