Juno News - Another floor-crosser! Mark Carney’s path to an unelected MAJORITY government

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is the Candice Malcolm Show. Today is Wednesday, March 11th,

00:00:09.180 2026, and we're going to start the show with some big breaking news. This happened late last night,

00:00:14.160 Eastern Time. We learned of another floor crossing. So Nunavut MP, who represents the NDP,

00:00:20.480 she was elected in April under the NDP banner, announced last night that she was crossing the

00:00:26.700 floor. So I'm talking about Lori Idlut will now become the 170th seat for the Liberals. Remember 0.90

00:00:34.100 back in April, they won 169 seats. They've now had four floor crossings. That's kind of hard to say.

00:00:41.520 And so with that, plus the three resignations that we saw, we saw Chrystia Freeland resign, 0.94

00:00:47.000 Bill Blair resign, and then the one seat in Terrebonne that the Supreme Court has decided

00:00:51.800 has to go to a re-election. And we're talking about Mark Carney being able to walk away with

00:00:57.140 an unelected, undemocratic majority government. He's just a few seats away. And also recall that

00:01:02.760 on Sunday evening, Mark Carney announced the date for those three by-elections. They will take place

00:01:07.140 on April 13th. So we're just a few weeks away from this happening. So just to go through the news

00:01:13.840 again, Nunavut MP Lori Idlut crosses the floor from the NDP to the Liberals. Interim NDP leader

00:01:21.220 Don Davies released a statement on X late last night. It's about 10 30 p.m. Eastern time. He

00:01:26.080 condemned the floor crossing, claiming that it should be decided through a by-election. So this

00:01:31.380 is a statement that he issued last night. We're very disappointed that Laureate Lute has decided

00:01:36.100 to join the Liberal caucus position of the NDP on floor crossing is longstanding and clear. We

00:01:40.640 believe that when someone rejects the decision of their electors and wants to join another party,

00:01:44.740 they should put that decision to their voters in a democracy. Something as important as a choice of

00:01:49.440 the party represented in Parliament must always remain with our constituents. We believe that

00:01:53.980 that should still happen. I mean, that could clearly be the case with all four of these. I

00:01:58.100 know that many Conservatives were upset and worked up over the fact that we had three Conservative

00:02:02.820 floor-crossers already in the past few months. You know, Mark Carney's obviously doing a victory 1.00

00:02:08.100 lap here. He released his statement on X on Wednesday morning, saying, I'm honoured to

00:02:12.900 welcome Nunavut, Member of Parliament, DeLaurie Lute, to the team as the newest member of caucus,

00:02:17.140 working in partnership to build a strong north and a strong unit of it is essential to building

00:02:21.820 a more secure, prosperous and resilient Canada. And then here is a picture of him with the new MP.

00:02:27.580 I mean, this is a huge win for Mark Carney. Mark Carney looks very strong at this point. He's

00:02:33.360 being able to recruit MPs from both the left and the right, unifying people even who got elected

00:02:38.720 under the other banner and the other sides. I think that this is bad news for the country,

00:02:44.040 but good news for Mark Carney's Liberals because obviously it looks like he's going to be able to

00:02:48.960 govern with a majority one way or another. I'm very pleased today to help us make sense of it

00:02:54.740 all, to talk about the politics behind it and the polling. I'm very pleased to welcome David

00:02:59.180 Murray. David is a senior vice president over at One Persuasion. He was a senior policy director

00:03:04.500 and he wrote the policy platform for Pierre Polyev's 2022 Conservative leadership run and

00:03:10.560 he was the national pollster for the Conservative Party of Canada in the 2019 Canadian general

00:03:15.700 election. You remember him because in 2025, Juneau News hired him to be our in-house pollster. He did

00:03:22.020 great analysis. He was a frequent guest here on the Canada's Malcolm Show. So David, welcome back

00:03:26.580 to the show. It's great to see you, my friend, and great to have you back on the program.

00:03:29.620 Thanks for having me.

00:03:30.620 Well, what an unbelievable chain of events. I mean, it's funny because we had this interview

00:03:37.000 book before we knew about the floor crossing and just timing worked out so that we have you fresh

00:03:42.440 with the news. So let's just start with the big news. What do you make of what we've seen unfold

00:03:48.180 in the last 12 hours or so here? Well, in that last 12 hours, we now know that especially with

00:03:52.700 the two by-elections in Toronto that are basically shoo-ins for the Liberals at this point, if

00:03:57.800 everything hold steady, that he will have 172 seats at least come the next, come after the

00:04:07.320 by-elections. That could potentially be 173, and we'll get into that with the developments in

00:04:12.380 Terrebonne. But this allows him to effectively govern with a de facto majority government.

00:04:21.680 Unbelievable. Okay, so just to go back, folks, to what happened, right? We remember that in April

00:04:26.700 2025, the conservatives were able to hold the liberals to a minority government. That was

00:04:31.180 sort of the good news, right? Like we had this unprecedented election campaign where they

00:04:35.460 parachuted Mark Carney in, you know, out with the old guy who was unpopular. Justin Trudeau was

00:04:39.500 basically memory hold by the legacy media. We never talked about that guy, never talked about

00:04:43.220 domestic problem-stopping country. Instead, we focused the entire election on President Trump,

00:04:48.200 Orange Man Bad, and the potential tariffs and trade war. The liberals, you know, they had the

00:04:53.760 media working on their side. They had the strategy, but they couldn't quite pull out

00:04:56.960 the majority government. And so this is what the numbers look like on election night. The liberals

00:05:01.780 got 169 seats with 43.8% of the vote, a huge, huge share of the vote. But the conservatives

00:05:08.920 held their own, right? They got 144 seats, 41.3%. I point this out a lot, but that was higher. That

00:05:14.580 was a higher percentage of votes, higher number of votes than Stephen Harper received in his

00:05:18.900 majority government in 2011. So Peter Pauly performed quite strongly. And the saving grace

00:05:24.040 was that they didn't get a majority. They held the Liberals to a minority. Or did they? To go back

00:05:30.340 to, you know, just a few months ago, it started in November 2025. Nova Scotia MP Chris Detremont,

00:05:37.720 who was elected as a Conservative, was the first to cross. That was followed one month later by

00:05:42.960 Michael Ma, the Markham MP in December. He crossed the floor to join the Liberals and then

00:05:48.600 And finally, February 18th, 2026, just last month, Edmonton MP Matt Gennaro made the same

00:05:56.780 decision. I have to play this clip, David, because it's one of the greatest clips that

00:06:01.480 has ever happened. And this is the CBC accidentally admitting the truth. So first you'll see their

00:06:07.300 chief political correspondent, Rosemary Barton, spinning some nonsense about how everyone's 0.93

00:06:12.320 just so excited in Alberta about Mark Carney and that he's so different than Justin Trudeau

00:06:17.700 that maybe Matt Jennero was motivated by his constituents saying,

00:06:22.000 hey, we really like Mark Carney, so we wish that you would be a liberal.

00:06:25.120 Instead, of course, she knows it's not true.

00:06:27.340 She knows she's making it up, and the hot mic caught it

00:06:29.900 because after when she thought that she wasn't on air anymore,

00:06:32.600 she speaks the truth, and she just tells it as it is,

00:06:35.680 which is that it's all made up.

00:06:36.940 Anyway, let's play this clip.

00:06:37.900 ...to be elected again, but there's also the reality

00:06:41.440 that some people in Alberta are kind of warming up to the prime minister

00:06:45.560 because he has taken markedly different positions on issues that matter to them,

00:06:50.340 whether it be energy development or climate change measures that he's backed off on.

00:06:54.960 So maybe Mr. Jenner feels like his writing is starting to move in that direction as well.

00:07:00.840 Rosie, thank you.

00:07:02.000 The CBC's new chief correspondent, Rosemary Barton, live in Ottawa.

00:07:06.780 Minister of Industry, Melanie Jolie, is speaking to reporters in Montreal.

00:07:10.120 What's this up?

00:07:15.560 We knew it. We knew it. And we got her on tape saying, yes, it's all made up.

00:07:23.520 Anyway, I know you don't want to comment on, you know, the person, the personal decisions made behind those floor crossers, David. 1.00

00:07:29.780 But maybe you could comment on the comment that she was trying to push to Canadians that maybe Matt Jenner was riding in Edmonton Riverbend and maybe some of these other ridings in outside of Toronto and in Nova Scotia are starting to lean more towards the Liberals.

00:07:43.840 and that maybe these candidates can better represent their constituents as Liberals.

00:07:47.280 Is there anything to that?

00:07:48.680 Well, I'd point to the inverse in terms of when Leona Alice crossed on the Liberals

00:07:52.880 as the Conservatives, was she saying the same thing?

00:07:54.420 And I can't recall that at all, mostly because it's probably not what she believes.

00:08:00.240 But it's quite disingenuous, to be quite honest, to be putting that forward, to be quite honest.

00:08:05.540 Well, it's really interesting timing because on Sunday,

00:08:08.360 Prime Minister Mark Carney announced that there will be three by-elections in April.

00:08:12.260 And so those are for the ones I mentioned off the top.

00:08:15.060 Scarborough Southwest, well, Bill Blair was the representative there, but he's gone off

00:08:19.780 to become the high commissioner to the UK.

00:08:21.700 We also have University Rosedale, which was Chrystia Freeland, of course. 1.00

00:08:25.960 She infamously went over to begin being an economic advisor to Vladimir Zelensky in Ukraine.

00:08:31.660 And then also that tarabon writing, which was really, really interesting.

00:08:36.020 Like, you know, this is why everyone has to go out and vote, because sometimes these

00:08:38.880 things are won and lost by just like single digit votes. In this case, it was one vote. So just to

00:08:44.100 recap that Terrebonne-Quebec riding, basically on election day, the Liberal won by 35 votes.

00:08:53.280 But then when they did the validation automatic recount, it flipped back to who had previously

00:08:58.820 been the incumbent, Bloc Quebecois MP. But then that triggered a judicial recount. That recount,

00:09:04.960 It went back the other way. The liberal candidate won by just one single vote. And it went all the

00:09:09.900 way to the Supreme Court and said, no, no, no, you can't have it flip back and forth this many

00:09:13.440 times. You can't have someone win by just one vote when it's that, you know, when it's that

00:09:17.600 contentious and there's been several votes that have been thrown away, et cetera, et cetera.

00:09:21.000 And so that one will go to the Supreme Court and decided that one will also go to the by-election.

00:09:26.100 Now, this is an interesting thing, David, because Mark Carney could say, well, wait,

00:09:30.580 you know, these four people who crossed the floor, they were actually elected under the other party

00:09:34.780 we want to have a democratic will we want to have a pure majority that was actually voted by

00:09:38.780 canadians uh why don't we do by elections for all of these ones i doubt he'll do that he wouldn't do

00:09:44.240 that because at this you know the current trajectory he's going to get a majority uh without

00:09:48.940 having earned one on election night that's not what the canadian public voted for and yet he's

00:09:52.940 going to get it but he could if he wanted to he could say let's let's let's redo all of these

00:09:57.600 seats and see if i actually get uh a majority the honorable way the the democratic way of being

00:10:03.660 elected by the people what do you think yeah but that would also entail risk right because there's

00:10:08.260 uh when you talk about elections nothing's ever certain like you can be very high in the polls

00:10:13.400 and then that could crash in 20 days or like whatever like the like real events impact this

00:10:18.820 stuff and so it becomes especially as an astute businessman himself like this brings unforeseen

00:10:25.140 risk that you that is challenging to mitigate for so why would you why would you do that from that

00:10:30.820 perspective, regardless of if it's the Democratic thing to do or not. It's so true. I want to sort

00:10:35.960 of zoom in on this floor crossing idea, because, you know, it's sort of treated as like a short

00:10:42.040 news story, like, okay, this person's crossed the floor, and then we kind of move on. But I think it

00:10:46.500 does a lot of damage, right? Like, like, if you just think about the individual campaigns and the

00:10:51.700 writing, right, it's like, the individual MP has to cross the floor, right? He has to go every day

00:10:56.500 to work and look the other MPs in the eye. Like I crossed the floor. I left you guys as a sense

00:11:01.660 of treachery. Also on top of that, his staff, like what happens to the staff? If you're a

00:11:06.440 conservative staffer for an MP and then all of a sudden that MP becomes liberal, like is your

00:11:10.560 loyalty to the individual, to the party? I don't know if the staff go along with him. You think

00:11:14.680 about the volunteers, the campaign offices, all the people who volunteered their time to go doorknock

00:11:19.640 for a candidate. And then the other side as well, right? Like if you were a liberal in Markham and

00:11:24.380 you were working hard on that campaign to try to beat michael maw and then your candidate lost are

00:11:29.720 you expected to just turn around and accept that individual as your mp with open arms and go

00:11:34.320 volunteer for him in the next election like there's so many interesting interpersonal issues

00:11:39.180 that happen and then the broader picture like i i to be honest david i expected after the matt

00:11:44.880 general floor crossing for mark carney to go down in the polls because i would assume that canadians

00:11:49.120 would look at this and say you know these are these sneaky backroom deals i don't like i don't

00:11:53.580 like the fact that mark carney is going to get a majority without having the democratic will like

00:11:57.740 that's not what we voted for in april 2025 that's not the outcome but it was actually quite the

00:12:02.900 opposite that after that news cycle carney actually went up in the polls and i think

00:12:07.300 canadians again like saw him as a unifying force and saw him as somebody who was able to you know

00:12:13.460 make deals with both conservatives and liberals so i'm wondering if you can comment on that for

00:12:18.260 Sure. So I think, broadly speaking, you're right, like in politics, when you work together on a campaign or on Parliament Hill, it really is like a family environment, like you guys share an ideology about a vision for what the country should, should look like, and you work extremely hard in order to bring that, that forward.

00:12:35.740 On the polling side of things, I think diehards, like the really blue-blooded conservatives or red-blooded liberals that just goes the other way, they're going to be very upset naturally by this happening. 0.91

00:12:53.260 The question is, how do the undecideds and leaners really perceive it in terms of an actual projection?

00:13:01.720 Is it a projection of strength and unity? Is it one of betrayal and other negative emotions? I think that given the data that we're seeing, that it's more on the former. Like, to your point, I think that there's been a lot of outreach in Alberta by Prime Minister Kargi.

00:13:20.580 uh great rhetoric like the uh like the mou whether that comes to fruition and realizes real benefits

00:13:28.500 for albertans and canadians broadly speaking like that's another debate for another time but like

00:13:33.120 the gesture and the overture is something that alberta uh and albertans i think broadly speaking

00:13:38.540 would see as a tone shift from the previous uh previous prime minister uh in combination with

00:13:44.540 the two. I think that it really leans in more in that direction. Well, it is interesting because

00:13:52.120 even Alberta Premier Danielle Smith, right before Mark Carney became Prime Minister, she predicted

00:13:57.880 that he was going to be worse than Trudeau because of his net zero, you know, his book, his advocacy,

00:14:03.620 his lifelong obsession with basically killing our oil and not using it anymore. And yet when he

00:14:11.240 became prime minister and he started meeting with danielle smith she actually changed her tune and

00:14:15.740 she said i can work with him this is good and i think that that that does signal you know to to

00:14:20.600 to the entire industry to the entire country uh that people in alberta are actually happy to work

00:14:25.840 with this person and that they think that maybe they can and that's a good thing i wonder if you

00:14:30.340 could comment a little bit on nunavit because i almost think that the northern mps aren't as

00:14:35.540 partisan and not as as tied to one party or another like it doesn't really seem uh like it's

00:14:41.700 interesting you know a lot of people are digging up these old tweets from uh lori idlut bashing

00:14:47.380 the liberals you know saying shame on the liberals like these you know this is just a handful of her

00:14:52.800 tweets uh going back to 2018 but you know as recently as 2024 uh basically just saying that

00:14:59.240 the liberals are terrible and they cut all the stuff and they're not good we have a clip of her

00:15:04.640 from the House of Commons, I believe this was just in September, where she's bashing Carney and

00:15:09.520 saying that he's not doing enough to help on food pricing and that people can't afford basic

00:15:14.140 necessities. I mean, really, probably very true. But, you know, it's just interesting. I'll just

00:15:20.140 play this clip. This is Laurie Idlut, the former NDP MP, who is now across the floor to the Liberals.

00:15:25.380 This was her a few months ago, bashing the Liberals in the House of Commons. 0.88

00:15:27.940 For Nunavut.

00:15:29.940 People in Nunavut are desperate for relief from high sky food prices.

00:15:35.940 Infant formula is upwards of $80.

00:15:38.940 People even feel that every time there is Jordan's principal funding, the Northwest Company increases the price of food even more.

00:15:47.940 People are pleading to the Liberals, but all they offer is another study.

00:15:53.940 When will this government stop supporting corporate greed and finally help to alleviate poverty?

00:16:01.260 I mean, it's kind of a funny critique, you know, another study from the liberals instead of actually doing something.

00:16:07.520 But at the same time, you know, what are they really supposed to do if there's one food company up there and, you know, they're charging the prices that they do.

00:16:14.060 But anyway, interesting. I'm wondering if you could comment on the on the on the partisan side of politics up north.

00:16:18.540 I think up north, the politics are very different culturally from what we have down in the provinces like lower Canada. At their provincial assembly, for example, they don't have political parties, right?

00:16:33.780 uh like it's it's a very different culture up there so my question to her would be like what

00:16:39.520 did she get out of this uh floor crossing did she get a commitment of additional uh funding for the

00:16:44.920 nutrition north program or a complete revamp of the program design uh in addition to all the major

00:16:50.080 investments that prime minister carney has also made up in the north recognizing it as a strategic

00:16:54.520 asset uh not only from an economic basis but also from the arctic and sovereignty and defense

00:17:00.240 space as well. So there's a few moving parts in there. The question would be just what did she 1.00

00:17:05.020 get out of this for her constituents? Interesting. Well, I want to move on and sort of talk a little

00:17:10.280 bit about these three by-elections that are set. I think that, you know, when we're talking about

00:17:14.840 Toronto seats, they're always going to be really safe liberal seats, and it almost doesn't really

00:17:19.480 matter who they run, but I believe they have some strong candidates that they've identified and that

00:17:23.080 they've put in for Scarborough and Rosedale. So maybe the more interesting one to talk about

00:17:28.180 is terrible on quebec because it was a bloc incumbent before the election you know the

00:17:33.620 liberals just barely won and then they didn't win back and forth and it sort of is more you know i

00:17:40.140 mean it could potentially uh be the difference before we were going to say this was the difference

00:17:45.840 between a majority or not now it seems like maybe not but with the speaker it might give him just

00:17:50.520 like that extra cushion and buffer of having 173 seats so maybe you can help us understand what's

00:17:57.380 at stake now in Terrebonne, Quebec, and what will it look like for Kearney to win?

00:18:04.560 For sure. So right now, once they get to 172, should they win the two Toronto by-elections,

00:18:11.480 it means that the Speaker is a tiebreaker, effectively. So if the opposition votes as

00:18:18.520 a complete block on things like confidence motions and whatnot, the Speaker must vote

00:18:23.140 to either a uh preserve the status quo or b uh to continue debate and confidence votes followed to

00:18:30.260 the latter category uh which means that the government would in fact survive um the question

00:18:36.020 at taubon is like the provincial forces uh as you guys know uh there's a provincial election coming

00:18:43.700 up with the patrick doing quite well but in the in recent weeks we've seen an uptick in uh provincial

00:18:49.860 support for the provincial liberals. How does that manifest itself on the ground? I think also

00:18:54.660 by-elections can also differ wildly from the polls themselves. You typically historically have like

00:19:00.900 much lower turnout than the generals and that can lead to some far less predictable patterns.

00:19:05.700 I think it's really a toss-up and really is going to come down to ground game and levels of

00:19:11.940 organization that both parties are able to muster. It's interesting. So we have the 338 federal

00:19:16.980 projections for this. See, I think we can show it on the screen for Terrebonne. It shows that the

00:19:22.900 bloc are currently polling at 39%, which would be an increase of 7% from the election. And the

00:19:30.440 Liberals are right there at 38. And so this is going to be close. Interestingly, a third is the

00:19:36.080 Conservatives down there, 14%. I almost wonder if it would be better for the Conservatives not to

00:19:41.240 run a candidate in this election so that the sort of federalist vote um or sorry the protest vote

00:19:47.140 against the government could go towards the bloc rather than liberals although i guess that could

00:19:51.420 go either way because the federalist vote uh could be split between liberals and conservatives i'm

00:19:55.280 not sure um but i'm wondering if you can provide any any context like what like who who lives in

00:20:00.960 this riding what kind of riding is it is it suburban or is it more like cosmopolitan or

00:20:05.280 suburban um and you know like what what what's the ballot box question going to be for these voters

00:20:11.560 i think first and foremost the ballot box question is going to depend on which party

00:20:14.840 uh like because each party is going to have a different type of ballot question they're going

00:20:19.020 to be pushing for uh the prime minister and the liberal party are going to be pushing for

00:20:23.180 uh securing a majority uh bloc ibequois more on the nationalist side getting better deal for

00:20:29.240 quebec and representing quebec's interests and conservatives historically in quebec have always

00:20:33.480 been a strong Quebec and a united Canada, but the ballot question for them becomes more on the

00:20:39.000 affordability side and other issues that are adjacent to that as well. The riding itself is

00:20:45.040 a suburban outside of Montreal. It's just north of the island of Montreal. So you have a lot of

00:20:50.600 commuters. You have a lot of like that kind of dynamic, which makes it obviously different from

00:20:56.800 downtown Montreal, which is a notoriously a liberal stronghold. It's very much one of those

00:21:00.720 like borderline areas where the Bloc Québécois have historically done quite well. There is a

00:21:08.540 stronger nationalist sentiment in there compared to the island of Montreal. So those forces make

00:21:12.620 it a very, very interesting race, to say the least. Interesting. And I wanted to zoom out a 1.00

00:21:17.540 little bit and look at the federal polling, because I was of the view that Mark Carney was

00:21:21.940 going to trigger an election and that we were going to go back to the polls because just how

00:21:26.620 well he's polling like it's actually like unbelievable to see how well the nanos poll

00:21:31.040 just came out on march 6th of last weekend has the liberals up at 46 percent up to the conservatives

00:21:36.200 down at 33 percent and i i mean that's that's a huge shift and if you see how that translates to

00:21:43.920 seats um it would be an absolute nightmare for the conservatives like we're talking about a super 0.95

00:21:48.020 majority for the liberals at 222 221 and the conservatives down to 100 surely that would be

00:21:54.000 the end of Pierre Polyev and his career if he were to lose two elections back to back

00:21:59.120 in two years. So I was worried that that Carney was going to call an election as much fun as it

00:22:05.040 would be. You know, David, we had you as our in-house pollster last time around. We had a lot

00:22:08.620 of fun. You know, Crudgev elections are always fun for political junkies like us. But, you know,

00:22:15.340 I think that the country just went through that. They don't want to go through it again. And it

00:22:18.180 would be bad for the conservatives to lose like this. And but I do think that we probably avoided

00:22:23.700 an election because of this dodged a bullet, we can go over to 338, which is the aggregator of

00:22:28.640 national polls. And I think it still has the average for the liberals in recent days, all the

00:22:33.840 way up at 45 percent. And that would translate almost the same, 201 seats. So what do you think

00:22:39.380 my analysis that Pierre Polyev may have dodged a bullet, gained some more time to grow into the

00:22:45.000 role of official opposition? And if there's an election in four years, he has a much better

00:22:49.040 chance when president trump is no longer in the white house um and maybe the situation has changed

00:22:54.480 what do you think i think your analysis is correct uh i think that the thing that really

00:22:58.480 is going to help mr paulio there's going to be time because there's a lot of uh big promises

00:23:03.360 grand promises and uh and rhetoric that's coming from prime minister kearney uh it sounds great

00:23:08.800 uh to be quite honest especially on like a foreign policy front uh but the question is does it does

00:23:14.960 This materialized into real benefits for Canadians at the end of the day, like execution on this when you've made such grandiose promises is something that is extremely important.

00:23:24.660 And just given the factors that he's facing right now, like making those grand promises of like, I'm the only one that can deal with President Trump and stuff like that.

00:23:32.960 We have the Kuzma review coming up very soon.

00:23:35.780 So there's going to be events throughout this that is going to make it challenging for him to be able to really put out the, like, to really match the rhetoric with action and results for Canadians.

00:23:48.300 And I think that that's what the actual time for Mr. Polly have actually become very favorable.

00:23:54.660 Also, if it becomes a de facto majority, and we know that we're going to be, it's going to be three years until the next election, it gives more time to planning.

00:24:03.080 Like staff are not sitting at the edge of their seat, not staff, but also MPs.

00:24:07.680 You're not always in heightened, alert, ready to go mode.

00:24:12.020 Like you can actually take time, step back, create a fulsome narrative plan platform, like all that stuff in a much more comprehensive way that could yield stronger benefits in an election down the road.

00:24:26.000 Yeah, it's hard to say, right? Because it's like, man, I think that the conservatives deserve a chance to govern. Like we've had 10 years of liberals. Yes, Mark Kearney is very different than Justin Trudeau. I think he satisfies some Canadians desire for change. It sounds different, but it looks the same, right? We still have the same out of control immigration. We still have crime. We still have the revolving door, prison systems that let so many of the bad guys out, right? Our economy hasn't meaningfully gotten better.

00:24:54.080 I like I like I'm not seeing any I'm hearing changes it looks different sounds different

00:24:58.280 but I'm not I'm not seeing them yet and I wonder if it's sort of just a matter of time before

00:25:02.940 Canadians realize that the the new guy is the same as the old guy um or whether or not maybe

00:25:07.720 Mark Carney will surprise us all and actually start governing in a very meaningfully different

00:25:12.480 way than uh Justin True did and then his liberal party did what do you think well and there's also

00:25:18.160 like an interesting historical example that we can point to like George Bush senior who was renowned

00:25:22.200 as a foreign policy expert he uh led the u.s efforts on the reunification of germany the

00:25:27.000 fallout of the breakup of the soviet union like massive u.s posturing uh and foreign policy

00:25:32.360 development in the changing new world order but then when he went up against uh president clinton

00:25:37.160 for the president for the the next election like if you look at a lot of the academic analysis and

00:25:42.200 uh and political analysis uh during that like the attention on foreign uh made way for some of the

00:25:49.160 of the domestic priorities to really fall by the wayside. And that really caught up to him. So the

00:25:54.080 question is, are there parallels between those two situations? And I think that that's where like the

00:25:58.860 time and the actual results that we need to see from the big, great sounding promises that Prime

00:26:07.960 Minister Carney's putting forward. I think that that's what the big difference is. And I think

00:26:12.340 that's where the time and other aspects really play more to Mr. Pauli's strength or his opportunities

00:26:21.000 more so than Prime Minister Carney. Wow, 100%. So interesting. All right, David Murray from

00:26:27.520 One Preservation, always appreciate your time and good to see you back on the show. Great to be with

00:26:31.560 you. All right, thanks for that analysis. All right, folks, that's all the time we have for

00:26:35.100 today. Thank you so much for tuning in. We'll be back again tomorrow on Candice Malcolm's

00:26:37.700 Kenneth Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.

Juno News - March 11, 2026

Another floor-crosser! Mark Carney’s path to an unelected MAJORITY government

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