00:00:00.000And I want to just along that vein turn to Arrive Can here, which has become as people travel, as more people leave the country and for some reason come back into it, has become something that more and more Canadians and foreigners are facing.
00:00:13.300And it's this app that the government originally thought would be a pandemic management app.
00:00:18.420It felt like it was an easy way for them to get people to give their vaccination certificate when they come in and it saves time at the border and saves time with the public health officials and all of that.
00:00:28.020And now they're making it a permanent fixture in entry.
00:00:32.460So I'm glad to see it's being challenged, not just by Canadians that are not complying and are taking huge fines as a result, but even in the courts.
00:00:40.420The Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms has filed a legal challenge, a charter challenge against Arrive Can.
00:00:47.140And JCCF lawyers Sia Hassan and Eva Chepiak join me on the program live.
00:00:53.360Sia, Eva, it's great to talk to you both.
00:00:55.620I'll ask, I don't know which one of you wants to take it first, but what is this case about?
00:01:00.220Because it's one thing to not like Arrive Can, it's one thing to find it annoying, but fundamentally, what is it that this challenge is going after?
00:01:08.980Thank you, Andrew, for having us on your show.
00:01:12.720And I want to talk about what this case is not about, because we have seen so much division in our society, vaccinated versus unvaccinated.
00:01:21.140This case is not about whether you're vaccinated or you're not vaccinated, because the Arrive Can applies to everyone.
00:01:29.060And even if you're fully vaccinated, but you choose not to use Arrive Can because of privacy concerns, you're still going to be compelled to quarantine for 14 days.
00:01:38.400You're still going to be given a fine of $5,000 or more.
00:01:42.080So it's really important, I think, to point that out, that this is not a case of whether you're vaccinated or not.
00:01:50.660And one of the major things, major concerns of a lot of our applicants and Canadians is the privacy aspect.
00:01:57.780And we have applicants in our case that are fully vaccinated who simply don't want to use Arrive Can because they're concerned about privacy.
00:02:06.440We don't know what's going to happen to this data.
00:02:24.240And I'll ask you about this, Eva, because I know that when I have come into the country and I've used Arrive Can, basically, it's tied to my passport or my Nexus card.
00:02:33.020So when I scan that at the point of entry, they already have my Arrive Can.
00:02:38.960And it looks like the government has done a fair bit of integration on the back end, which is not the kind of thing you do with just this temporary public health measure.
00:02:46.640Yeah, so we've heard a lot of concerns, of course, about the Arrive Can and, you know, the utility of it.
00:02:54.920I think in your intro, you mentioned that it was meant to speed up the process and everything we've heard about it is it's delaying travel into Canada and in a significant way, too.
00:03:06.220So what is it actually achieving is a really good and important question that we're going to be asking the government to answer on our end.
00:03:57.620And we know about the glitch in the RIF can in July where 10,000 people who were fully vaccinated, who had no issues, were told by the app that they have to quarantine for 14 days.
00:04:09.560And then it took the government 12 days to contact these people to say, oh, this was a glitch.