The London Public Library in my home city of London, Ontario, Canada has banned Joanna Williams, an advocate for free speech and feminism, from attending a talk she was scheduled to give this evening on the topic of "Sex, Gender, and the Limits of Free Speech" at the Society for Academic Freedom and Scholarship (SAFDS). They said it would contravene library policy and violate workplace harassment and sexual harassment policies. Now, a comedian named Amir Zar is scheduled to perform in the very venue where Ms. Williams was supposed to speak.
00:00:29.700I don't know what the technical term is.
00:00:31.800But five minutes before, I sat down in the chair and decided to...
00:00:35.340I mean, I was already in the chair, but you know what I mean.
00:00:37.300So you may have heard this week we've been covering the case of the London Public Library
00:00:43.180in my city, where I am right now, deciding to ban Joanna Williams,
00:00:48.400the tremendous British author and advocate.
00:00:51.000She's written a number of books on academia, on wokeness, on free speech.
00:00:55.480And the London Public Library would not allow her to broadcast or to present, to lecture in its theater, its main theater at the downtown branch of the library.
00:01:06.680They said that the content was likely to violate library policies.
00:01:10.700Having her there would go against like the workplace harassment and sexual harassment policies and all that.
00:01:16.120She was going to be there at the invitation of the Society for Academic Freedom and Scholarship,
00:01:21.840whose president, Mark Mercer, I spoke to, I think it was on Monday or Tuesday.
00:01:26.440But I just found out today that B'nai B'rith Canada,
00:06:18.740Going to be talking in just about seven minutes or so with Greg Hill,
00:06:22.980who is a Canadian pilot and also the founder or one of the directors of Free to Fly Canada,
00:06:29.440which has launched a proposed class action lawsuit against Transport Canada
00:06:33.720over the vaccine mandate in the aviation sector.
00:06:37.340So we'll talk to Greg about that shortly.
00:06:39.580But let me just, for a couple of moments here, follow up on my interview Wednesday with People's Party of Canada leader Maxime Bernier, who is also running as the by-election candidate in Portage-Lisker.
00:06:53.420So speaking to Maxime Bernier, we spoke about a number of things, but right out of the gate, he started talking about his policy on abortion, which he had unveiled the morning before the interview.
00:07:04.480And it is, if you've forgotten or didn't listen to that interview,
00:07:07.200a policy that basically says if he gets elected,
00:07:10.020he's going to introduce a bill to ban abortion at 24 weeks,
00:07:13.720to ban late-term abortion, which, as we discussed,
00:08:03.600Since you bring up the abortion issue, I wanted to get to that with you anyway. Let me just first contextualize this for people. Are you pro-life or are you pro-choice?
00:08:12.500You know, I'm a guy that wants to have a debate, and that's why I'm tabling that legislation.
00:08:20.500I said we must do the first step, Andrew. We didn't have any legislation.
00:08:24.500We are the only country, all the European countries have legislation on abortion,
00:08:29.500and usually it's illegal to have an abortion the second trimester.
00:08:35.500In my legislation, I'm saying we must end the late-term abortion.
00:08:40.500It must be illegal for a woman to have an abortion after six months.
00:08:46.340Yeah, but again, it was a pretty direct question.
00:08:48.800Are you pro-life or are you pro-choice, personally?
00:09:35.060oh, you know, it's great that he's done this.
00:09:36.500And I also had PPC activists that were turning on me, saying that it was a gotcha question, it was unfair, and I was being oversimplistic.
00:09:44.320One of them was Randy Hillier, who used to be a tremendously relevant and intelligent figure in politics, who unfortunately now is neither.
00:09:53.740But Randy Hillier was coming after me, saying that I was, you know, asking, like, it was a mainstream media question.
00:10:01.120It was a hatch, or what was it, a hatchet job, a hack job, whatever it was.
00:10:06.160And the thing about Randy Hillier is that I was like,
00:10:09.900okay, I'm going to get in on this and respond to it.
00:10:12.380And I said, you know, asking if you're pro-life or pro-choice
00:10:14.960should not be a difficult question for people.
00:10:18.120And I think you have to be tremendously insecure about your preferred candidate
00:10:22.340to think that that is an unfair question.
00:12:41.080But again, I mean, next week he is going to be on, Brandon Leslie, the conservative candidate.
00:12:46.600So all of that is to say it's a very reasonable question to ask when a politician themselves brings up the abortion issue, which Maxime Bernier did in that interview and has in the campaign.
00:12:59.700So if you don't like it, I mean, tough luck.
00:13:01.680I'm not really apologizing for it or doing anything of the sort.
00:13:04.440But I think that it is important that we understand that how people approach issues is just as important, if not more important, than where they land on with those specific issues.
00:13:15.240And look, I understand the allure of what the PPC is promising here.
00:13:19.440Because if you are pro-life, you have for years been told by capital C conservative politicians who identify as pro-life that this is just an untouchable issue that we shouldn't go anywhere near.
00:13:30.180You have Andrew Scheer in 2019 saying, yes, I'm pro-life, but I'm not going to do anything about it.
00:13:35.020And if you are pro-life and you do believe this is a child welfare issue, it's a tough one to sort of understand because you're like, well, hang on.
00:13:42.040If you think this is a child that is at stake, why wouldn't you do?
00:13:47.700Like, how do you square those two things?
00:13:49.640So political opportunism is a big part of the problem when you do this.
00:13:54.540And I think that for someone like Maxime Bernier, who I think from his answer, you can tell is a pro-choice person generally, he is offering people more than a lot of pro-life politicians had.
00:14:06.460So that's a calculation that individual voters can make.
00:14:09.360But I think understanding, are you coming to this because you're pro-life?
00:14:12.580Are you coming to this because you're pro-choice, but you think this is a reasonable compromise position, I think was fair ball.
00:14:18.540He gave his answer, whether you like it or not, is up to you.
00:14:21.580speaking of bodily autonomy i want to turn our attention to this proposed class action that's
00:14:27.960been filed against the federal government specifically transport canada and it is a
00:14:33.520proposed class action on the vaccine mandate for people in the aviation sector specifically which
00:14:40.480was technically done under different orders than the general federally regulated workplace vaccine
00:14:46.700mandate. But this was an order that meant flight attendants, pilots, other people working in this
00:14:52.600industry would be terminated, would be suspended, would in some cases be coerced into early
00:14:58.840retirement. And we'll talk about that in just a couple of moments here. But there is a proposed
00:15:03.200class action that's been filed on behalf of Free to Fly Canada. There are three representative
00:15:08.780plaintiffs, Greg Hill, Brent Warren, and Tanya Lewis. But ultimately, anyone who is affected by
00:15:14.880this if the class action is approved and certified will be a beneficiary of this so basically
00:15:20.760unvaccinated employees in Canada's aviation sector I want to welcome to the show from
00:15:26.060Free to Fly Canada Greg Hill who is a pilot with a major Canadian airline and joins me now Greg
00:15:32.300it's good to talk to you thanks for coming on today thanks so much to be appreciate being here
00:15:37.780Andrew thanks so much now I should say I actually happened to meet you on a flight when you were
00:15:42.340working and you got me safely to my destination which i appreciated so in your case you've been
00:15:47.780able to go back to work but for some of your colleagues that wasn't the case as i understand it
00:15:53.300yeah it's been quite a journey i think for all of us the last two or three years have almost
00:15:57.540disappeared into a somewhat dark gray continuum so it's it's hard to remember exactly what happened
00:16:02.820when but certainly those of us that were out of work for an extended period of time remember that
00:16:08.100well and as you point out uh there are some of my colleagues uh who are not back to work when
00:16:14.420when the mandate was suspended last june the majority did go back to work slowly over the next
00:16:20.020month or two generally speaking but there there are a group of employees uh at west jet for one
00:16:25.540thing um that refused to sign a a very uh egregious piece of uh a memorandum of understanding
00:16:33.780essentially agreeing which required them essentially to go against their conscience
00:16:39.700and say well WestJet did respect my charter rights WestJet did respect human rights sign
00:16:46.280this document and then you can have your job back and to their credit as far as I know
00:16:50.420to to a single man and woman they refuse to do so because these are people of principle
00:16:55.220that we're not going to compromise based on conscience so I appreciate you bringing that
00:16:59.760up because there does seem to be a pervasive attitude that we're past this that we've moved on
00:17:04.960i was just speaking to a friend of mine that's in health care we've got a couple in my local
00:17:09.040community and people think they've all gone back to work well they haven't there's a there's a cabal
00:17:13.200amongst the hospitals certainly in the province of ontario that is not bringing them back to the
00:17:18.080detriment of the population as a whole who who are short of doctors and nurses and other staff
00:17:23.680in hospitals who they simply have not brought back so it's a great thing to bring up because
00:17:27.600it's not well understood let's talk about what the actual we don't need to get into the legal weeds
00:17:33.760but but what is the the real objection here i mean as i understand it uh the case really hinges on
00:17:39.520that the government was forcing violation of the contracts that that you and your colleagues had
00:17:44.880and i mean obviously we know that there are in some cases pretty stringent protections uh through
00:17:50.480collective bargaining that have been fought and then the government just comes in with this mandate
00:17:54.240that trumps that right well i mean the primary strategy uh and the angle here and and listen
00:18:01.520we've we've sat back uh and watched the i'll call it challenging judicial landscape in this country
00:18:07.360for uh for the past year or so uh and and i think that's uh we're certainly hopeful to our credit
00:18:15.120and that isn't to disparage anyone who's made a viable effort to make headway legally but it's
00:18:20.880enabled us to to get some understanding of where the courts uh are at right now and it is a
00:18:26.160challenging environment and so out of that uh this is is what we put forward and what you're alluding
00:18:32.480to is is what's called inducement that we uh as you said we've we fought hard uh as employees to uh
00:18:39.600to have a standing with our our companies and an agreement uh and and listen at the end of the day
00:18:44.320we want the success of the airline industry we want people to be traveling not staying in their
00:18:47.92015-minute cities or otherwise we want them moving about the world uh freely as uh as free citizens
00:18:53.600so so ultimately that's what we want and and doing our part to get people safely as i did with you on
00:18:58.880that uh one day and it was a pleasure to to to chat with you briefly uh we have these agreements
00:19:04.160well this interim order uh came in and um and it uh it induced a breach of that of that contract
00:19:11.840i mean just as an example and it's it's been a beef uh at least of mine personally and i'm sure
00:19:16.800with a bunch of my other colleagues is it was stated that we were on a leave of absence.
00:19:22.080Well, I mean, there's no such thing in any contract I know of an involuntary leave of
00:19:27.940absence. The aviation industry is prone to all sorts of ups and downs and trends with the economy
00:19:34.820or with things like asinine COVID policy, for instance, right? So you've got circumstances
00:19:40.080where former military guys, let's say, will say, hey, there isn't a lot of work for me here right
00:19:45.600now or i may be um furloughed so i'm going to go back to the military i'll take a leave of absence
00:19:50.560and i'll go back for two or three years but there's nothing contractually that says uh you
00:19:55.520will involuntarily be put on a leave of absence so that's just just one example well we've had
00:20:01.040people suspended which is a better word for that it's not actually leave of absence or terminated
00:20:07.280so that's that's a simplistic uh angle and again i'm i fly airplanes i'm not an expert
00:20:13.200in the law, but that's kind of a 35,000 foot view of what we're looking at here.
00:20:19.960Let's talk about a little bit here where the liability lies. I know the proposed suit is
00:20:25.260against Transport Canada, who issued the mandate, but in your view, were the airlines themselves
00:20:30.860winning participants in this, or were they victims of this? Because I know when it came
00:20:34.880to the vaccine mandate for passengers, for example, it's Air Canada or WestJet flight
00:20:39.440attendants that are you know demanding you hand over your proof of vaccination but it's not their
00:20:43.800fault they're enforcing a rule that is coming from a government mandate when this came up did the
00:20:49.500airlines push back against the government at all or was their view that you know what anything that
00:20:53.460lets us you know keep moving on and get the bailout money is fine with us we're just going to go along
00:20:58.340with it yeah I mean you're touching on on a number of pieces that we've been fairly vocal about over
00:21:03.840the past couple of years, I guess, you know, as much as I'll say, they were, they were pretty
00:21:09.380enthusiastic in employing these. Once we were past that October 29th deadline, when this interim
00:21:16.860order came out, it was fairly common if you were speaking with a manager and we pushed back hard.
00:21:21.980I mean, individually, a lot of my courageous colleagues were quite vocal. And of course,
00:21:27.340the management was prone to typically say, hey, you know, what do you want us to do? We've got
00:21:32.460run an airline we're just uh we're just uh we're doing what we need to do it's the government's
00:21:37.660the government's fault and there's certainly obviously this is our point that it was it was
00:21:42.460it was pushed and forced down this road but even before this uh this came out there was all sorts
00:21:48.140of things happening uh within the industry that that seemed fairly enthusiastic and at the end
00:21:52.700of the day i mean they want to make money um so it's understandable but we can't live in a society
00:21:58.060where we just take these these God-given rights and toss them out the window and then the point
00:22:03.700being on this end of it you know if you want to use an analogy even with your home life if somebody
00:22:08.920comes into your home a group of people and ransacks it runs down the road with your possessions
00:22:13.360you're not typically prone to just sit in your house and shrug and say well at least I still
00:22:18.040have the four walls to sit within and that's essentially what's happened the majority of
00:22:22.600people have gone back to work but there's been there's been no willingness to to replace the
00:22:27.620lost income. And it's not just lost income. There's intangibles here as well. People lost
00:22:33.580their marriages. They lost their homes. They lost relationships and all sorts of things
00:22:38.240directly related to the loss of employment. I'm glad you mentioned that because I think
00:22:44.900oftentimes people who are disconnected from the situation would say, okay, yeah, they were
00:22:50.380suspended for a bit. They got their jobs back. Everyone move on. But it is very difficult to
00:22:54.880move on when you're one of the people that has just gone through what you've described there,
00:22:59.260which I don't think is difficult to imagine. And you also look at the way that it would breed some
00:23:04.880fairly nasty thinking among colleagues when, you know, all of a sudden you've been outed in,
00:23:09.960you know, for this one thing, and then you go back and your colleagues probably know why you
00:23:14.020were gone. And there might be some discontent there. And also just people that were forced
00:23:19.620out of the industry, which I heard a lot of, you know, people that own businesses that were shut
00:23:23.300down that just decided, okay, maybe there's no point and I'm going to go and get a job that's
00:23:28.400not fulfilling, but I could work it. I mean, I know that when I looked at some of the comments
00:23:32.520that have been made by Free to Fly, people that wouldn't have retired, they weren't ready to
00:23:36.600retire, they didn't want to retire, but it was just, all right, well, maybe I have a few years
00:23:40.720left. This is something I'm going to do now. That's not a win. That's not a win. They're
00:23:44.540still victims of this. No, and I appreciate you bringing that up. It's essentially retirement
00:23:48.580under duress and i you know just top of my mind there's like two faces and in my my brain of guys
00:23:53.620that i have enormous respect for um that refuse to concede and and that's the road they went down
00:23:58.180and they made it clear they weren't retiring because it was it was time to uh hang up the
00:24:01.780headset uh and and move move into retirement it was done because of uh because of of the uh the
00:24:08.660mandate so you know as relates to uh to to the work environment i i will say for the vast majority
00:24:16.340um of my colleagues and and the flight tech's a fascinating uh place you're essentially locked in
00:24:21.700a closet with somebody for hours and hours at a time right uh so the conversation can be simulating
00:24:27.780and it's typically not terribly heated but i will say when it does kind of come up and it inevitably
00:24:32.820does people talk about what you were doing last summer and it was like well working in a little
00:24:37.540manufacturing plant or whatever and you'll have a conversation the majority are incredibly supportive
00:24:42.900up to and often including saying i got so much respect for you and i did not want to go down
00:24:47.540this road and i wish i would have held out myself uh there's the odd person that uh typically just
00:24:53.140it's awkward silence for a few seconds and you talk about something else right because you
00:24:57.300you're not going to get into it you get another five hours before you get to seattle or something
00:25:01.300right um but for the most part uh certainly the uh the visceral feeling as we as we what you know
00:25:08.660know ended up uh later last year was don't come near me with a booster uh amongst the majority of
00:25:14.540my colleagues yeah and I think that was the turning point for a lot of Canadians when there
00:25:20.100was that one press conference I can't remember when it was it was around the time they had suspended
00:25:24.180the uh vaccine mandate the the broad sort of array of them and you know the health minister
00:25:30.040uh Duclos had said something along the lines of you know it's just as temporary suspension and
00:25:34.820And then there was another press conference where they talked about re-evaluating their definition of what it meant to be fully vaccinated and reconstituting that around being up to date.
00:25:44.400And there were a lot of people that got their two doses, maybe even they got their third dose, that were being told by the government that, you know, there could come a time where you're unvaccinated because we've just changed what it means.
00:25:55.060And I think a lot of people that were kind of on the cusp, like you've just talked about, really did draw a line in the sand there or would have had the government really gone ahead with that and said, no, no, no, now you need a booster every three months to be considered fully vaccinated.
00:26:08.100Because at that point, you are no longer your own individual insofar as you ever were.
00:26:14.260You are no longer making your own choices if your job is contingent on renewing your vaccination status every three, four, six months.
00:26:20.980And I think there was a fear among a lot of people that that's where we were headed.
00:26:25.060well and i would i remember that distinctly uh because because i was actually working in a
00:26:29.460manufacturing plant at the time and i took a little break from gluing pieces together
00:26:34.340to to watch that press conference uh and i remember thinking wow uh and i would almost
00:26:40.340suggest it was somewhat of a trial balloon by the government to see what kind of uh what kind
00:26:45.140of feedback they were going to get and and we are living in a little bit of a truman show i
00:26:49.700would say here when it comes to the state as a whole and uh and even with with these mandates
00:26:55.780themselves if you look at us here in the aviation sector up in canada versus in the states the the
00:27:01.380troubling reality and i think this is something everybody needs to take uh as a takeaway is
00:27:07.540collective action matters when it comes to standing up when it matters of conscience
00:27:13.300because at the end of the day it was somewhat of a cost benefits analysis and sadly once we got
00:27:18.420right down to the wire in that date it was a fairly small crowd of people across all sorts
00:27:24.500of industries that were willing to say i'll give up my job i'll give up my home i'll give up whatever
00:27:29.140it takes because i'm afraid of the right things down the road right i i jordan peterson talks
00:27:35.460about that it's not necessarily courage it's understanding the bigger picture um whereas in
00:27:40.100the states there was a couple airlines where there was enough guys and gals that and i'm not talking
00:27:45.22040 50 it's not a big number i don't know what it is let's say it's 10 or 15 just said don't come
00:27:50.500near me with that thing or i'm not flying your airplane and the airline did a cost benefits
00:27:55.140analysis and thought the airplanes aren't going to move and it's going to fall apart in a hurry
00:27:59.300uh and so as we go forward uh this this covet was it was a season i'd say we've got very deep
00:28:05.220seasons of challenge coming up you speak to them all the time um andrew and unless people are
00:28:10.420willing to stand up and the biggest of all in my view be willing to give things up give up comfort
00:28:17.140give up convenience give up status quo give up your reputation because a lot of us conceded based
00:28:23.460on what people were going to say about us and that's a pretty low threshold but unless we're
00:28:27.540willing to really do that uh we're in for a real real um deepening uh season of challenge ahead and
00:28:34.500And I think that's got to be our takeaway as citizens of this once great nation.
00:28:39.280I'm being told by my producer that the longer you talk, the more our viewership just keeps going up.
00:28:44.700So what you're saying is resonating with people.
00:28:46.760And if you're watching live, do share it.
00:28:48.900And I think what you mentioned there, Greg, is incredibly important in that a lot of the problems that I saw from, well, with the COVID restrictions, of which there were many, is that they were inherently meant to divide and isolate people so that they couldn't do exactly what you just described.
00:29:03.340I mean, when it was literally illegal to go and have dinner with a neighbor or a friend or a family member, you can't actually sit around a table and talk about why this isn't right and talk about what you're going to do and plan and plot and scheme and all of these things.
00:29:16.960And I mean that in more of a joking way than isolation, right?
00:29:22.360I mean, you have pilots and flight attendants and other people in the sector that have very strong unions that we were talking about earlier.
00:29:27.560And all of a sudden that that union is not really standing up in the way that it could.
00:29:33.340Well, and it was really, they essentially left the room, let's be honest. I mean, that's what happened. We've got all sorts of things happening in aviation right now. We see WestJet going out on strike and some of the unions across the country, like the very next morning, I'm talking within eight hours, had a one or two page statement to all of their thousands of members about how we need to stand in solidarity.
00:29:56.100and it's a little bit of a thorn in the side of guys and gals who were about to be terminated
00:30:02.700and termination for a union it's it's like thou shalt never go there I mean I can give stories
00:30:08.220of pilots that have done pretty rough things over the past 10 or 20 years and the union fought hard
00:30:14.300to keep them employed and you've got people for a matter of conscience that's just said I'm not
00:30:18.160going to go down this road not because of myself but honestly because I love my kids and my
00:30:22.440grandkids and I don't want them to live in a world where the state can do this to us as citizens
00:30:26.620and and the unions were silent they said nothing and I'm not talking for a couple days or weeks
00:30:32.500I'm talking we were going to our union saying uh you haven't mentioned us for six months nine
00:30:37.300months we've been out of work and we're going to be terminated in a month could you maybe just
00:30:40.780mention that we are here in the background um it's a little bit hard to to to swallow and I will say
00:30:47.940uh i'm not saying this out of out of resentment or bitterness because i think that's a very dark
00:30:53.300place that that we can go as well and you see that in in in uh i would say the like-minded
00:30:57.760community a little bit i think we've got to we've got to take a deep breath keep our wits about us
00:31:02.520be the adults in the room uh see ourselves as leaders uh across the nation what we desperately
00:31:08.340need right now are men and women of principle who are willing to lead this country back to where it
00:31:13.560needs to get and the way to do that again is to count the cost to say I'm willing to give things
00:31:18.420up for the next generation and the generation after that because if we don't again we're in
00:31:25.200for a dark season here seeing the airplane behind you I think I know the answer to this question but
00:31:31.840I do have to ask why did you even want to go back I mean after what happened to you which
00:31:36.360I imagine would feel like a tremendous affront to you as an individual that you know your
00:31:41.320your contributions your service your identity didn't matter why did you want to go back into
00:31:45.800that world after um actually it's funny that picture i i was sitting more like this the other
00:31:51.280day and i thought that my head's in the clouds i hadn't really thought of that i typically sit
00:31:54.500here when i do interviews but my daughter painted that for me it's it's a favorite but um
00:31:58.540that's a good question andrew it's not when i get asked normally so i you know i gotta i gotta
00:32:04.020take a moment i i wrestled with it um i wrestled with it a fair bit i i guess on some level
00:32:12.180we fought hard and and i do if i'm going to fight for something i try to think about it fairly
00:32:17.940carefully and so if i'm fighting for my job back it's it's a a little bit disingenuous when you
00:32:22.660get the opportunity to say no i'd rather uh i'd rather do other things um the vast majority of
00:32:28.500us got into aviation because for me when i was 13 years old my father was a military man i flew
00:32:33.140around in a c-130 which i ended up flying myself in the military and i love it we love the job um
00:32:39.220it's it's different every day it's challenging you know insert all of the cliches that you
00:32:42.900probably heard before i don't want to go on and on about it but it's a fantastic job
00:32:46.980um it affords all sorts of uh perks and otherwise uh but at the same time uh
00:32:53.620we did fight to to get our jobs back um the the job affords uh other opportunities and and part
00:33:00.980of that is what i'm doing here with you now is advocating for things that that i'm passionate
00:33:04.740about um and so that's that's the long and short of it is uh is we fought we fought long and hard
00:33:11.860to get here uh i put in a full career in the military before i got to this job and the other
00:33:17.540blunt um honest piece is aviation unless you've got some other skill i didn't worry you know to
00:33:24.820go to dental school on the side or anything else it doesn't transpose terribly well to other
00:33:28.820employment so i found myself at three o'clock in the morning uh shoveling parking lots and things
00:33:33.620during my my year out of work um so some of it's just the practicalities of of getting back to it
00:33:39.620to a good job that uh that we love uh but it was difficult um but i would say that the moments that
00:33:46.820i have run across uh managers that i have run across other union members i i've been i've been
00:33:52.660meticulous i believe in being careful with what i say with being professional and trying to be
00:33:56.980kind in the way i say it so i have no shame when i come across these people i wasn't rude or
00:34:00.580personally disparaging but there's times when i sense a difficulty uh on their part individually
00:34:06.980with with our encounters because i some of the things that have been written and said i just
00:34:11.620scratched my head and i think yeah man you're a smart guy uh but you've kind of hung up your
00:34:17.060conscience along with common sense in doing this but people will do strange things sometimes for
00:34:22.900for a sizable paycheck. And that's part of the problem is the government has got us by the
00:34:28.440paycheck or got many of us by the paycheck. And we've got to learn, A, not to get ourselves in
00:34:33.680so deep that we run out of choices and to create a life around us where we are able to make some
00:34:40.220independent choices going forward. And I know a lot of people are doing that as well.
00:34:44.300Well, I appreciate your service and also appreciate your taking a stand in this way
00:34:48.800and joining us today. I've got a fair bit of travel coming up this summer for work,
00:34:52.200So I'm sure I'll see you in the skies again.