Juno News - BC NDP Premier a threat to Canada

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Welcome back for another episode of Not Sorry. I'm Alexander Brown. I'm the director

00:00:07.940 of the National Citizens Coalition. Thrilled to be here with you. And while I have you,

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00:00:18.960 Many of you will believe me when I say this. Some might not, and we're trying to reach them.

00:00:23.760 Because what if I told you that the greatest threat to Canada right now, to our economy,

00:00:28.840 it's unity. It wasn't bluster from south of the border. It wasn't hostile foreign regimes from

00:00:34.880 far afield. It's BC's premier, David Eby. David Eby is going back to the playbook of the last 10

00:00:43.540 years. He claimed to be part of Team Canada. We all know how hollow much of that rhetoric was. I mean,

00:00:50.460 heck, in Ontario, the Team Canada protect Canadian jobs guy continues to threaten Gimli, Manitoba

00:00:58.180 with liquor bands and yanking things off shelves. But David Eby wants to block this crucial pipeline

00:01:05.340 to the Pacific Northwest Coast. Alberta is in a bind here. They were told that this federal

00:01:12.740 government was going to be different. They were told that we were finally going to be

00:01:16.000 doing right by our economy and our autonomy and unlocking prosperity again. And folks like David

00:01:22.160 Eby, who has been a key liberal ally over the last few years, are standing in the way. Take a look at

00:01:27.660 his threat and his flippancy towards Daniel Smith's need to build a pipeline. The Alberta fantasy bitumen

00:01:34.200 pipeline means putting all of that, the major projects, the economy, the jobs, and our coastline

00:01:41.560 at risk. What the Conservatives in Alberta are pushing is an entirely political creation

00:01:47.560 in the lead up to their election for wedge politics at the expense of British Columbia

00:01:52.420 and Canada's economy. And they're being supported by the BC Conservatives, again at the expense of

00:02:00.340 British Columbians and our valuable coast. Deeply insulting, saccharine, as big a wedge as you can

00:02:07.580 possibly imagine. This is a man who has destroyed British Columbia's economy, who has stood in the

00:02:14.620 way of hundreds of thousands of jobs, who has put in policies that have led to net migration from

00:02:21.920 young people sort of fleeing to Alberta. When past premiers left office, including an NDP premier

00:02:28.820 in the deceased John Horgan, British Columbia's finances were in the black or closer to than

00:02:38.080 they are now. And for him to claim that these are political actions, a wedge, when Alberta is just

00:02:46.300 trying to help with Canadian jobs, when Alberta is just trying to further strengthen Canada's economy

00:02:53.140 under tariff uncertainty. It speaks to how men like David Eby and this ridiculous ploy to voters

00:03:01.140 haven't changed and won't change. And the way you do change this, the way you stick up for Alberta and

00:03:11.480 our very confederation right now, is the federal government needs to ignore him. They need to bypass

00:03:19.360 him. And of course, there's no private investment because private investment has been chilled by

00:03:25.020 years of net zero and making it impossible to build anything. Daniel Smith is now in effect

00:03:31.900 calling Mark Carney's bluff and she should because she's been promised all kinds of things. All these

00:03:39.020 election promises were put in place. I think some of us had our reservations about what they would

00:03:45.240 actually amount to. But listen to her comments here. She understands that Alberta can't wait. 0.97

00:03:51.320 And this is an important ultimatum at a crucial time for seeing if these next 10 years aren't going

00:03:57.620 to be like the last. We support big major nation building projects and we would love to be able to

00:04:02.620 partner with the companies that are going to help us build pipelines as well as make sure that we're

00:04:07.760 supporting our fellow provinces on their aspirations to build major projects. I don't think it's a success

00:04:13.220 if taxpayer dollars have to be spent to build pipelines. Pipelines should be built by the

00:04:17.300 private sector. If we're going through this exercise, we're doing it so that we can restore

00:04:21.480 investor confidence again. When you look at the value of bitumen, we believe that this project,

00:04:27.780 if we could build it at a million barrels a day, even at today's prices, that would generate 20 billion

00:04:32.340 a year for the Canadian economy, of which the governments take about 40 percent and it's about half that

00:04:39.800 goes to the federal government and half that goes to the provincial government. So that is a very

00:04:43.680 high value long term return that all it takes is the prime minister to say yes.

00:04:50.400 No one harms Canada quite like Canada over the last 10, 20 years. And we can be hopeful that that

00:04:58.320 change is coming, but concerned that it's looking a whole lot like more of the same. Alberta needs

00:05:03.980 one simple answer here, which is yes, they haven't gotten it yet. There's a filibuster at play here

00:05:11.920 and David Eby's a part of it. To talk about this, to break this down, Dr. Caroline Elliott joins the show

00:05:17.780 today. She's a terrific fellow with the Aristotle Foundation, the B.C. Public Land Use Society, a real

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00:06:38.080 Dr. Caroline Elliott joins the show. Caroline works with the Aristotle Foundation for Public Policy.

00:06:44.040 She is so prominent with the Public Land Use Society, which is this constant topic out in BC

00:06:52.040 and will increasingly become a big topic in Canada. She is a prodigious media figure and political

00:06:58.740 figure on the left coast, an esteemed hiking mom in the international press, you know, big on the

00:07:04.720 common sense socials. Caroline, thanks for joining us. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to be here.

00:07:09.440 Yeah, no, the famous hiking mom in the flesh. Lucky me. To us, the topic of the day, and you and I

00:07:17.100 reside in British Columbia, is our premier, is David Eby, is a man who claimed to be Team Canada,

00:07:27.160 but is now very much standing in the way of getting a pipeline to the Pacific Northwest Coast,

00:07:34.220 is evidently not on board with turning this country around and not repeating the last 10 years.

00:07:42.560 What do you make of this infighting between Eby and Alberta at present? And where do you worry we

00:07:48.900 might be going, you know, by history seeming to repeat itself? I feel like we've seen this movie

00:07:55.060 before to some extent, right? When Alberta was last proposing the Trans Mountain Pipeline into British

00:08:01.980 Columbia, David Eby was the Attorney General, and he and his party, his government spent their time

00:08:09.140 using, as they said, every tool in the toolbox to stop the project. The courts were very, very clear

00:08:14.900 on this. This was the federal prerogative to make this pipeline happen. And it's like David Eby is

00:08:22.220 pretending he just wasn't a direct part of that. And like, he didn't spend a whole bunch of taxpayer money

00:08:27.780 fighting exactly this kind of project to no end. So, you know, I think the reality is, like,

00:08:34.660 killing our natural resource sector is a choice. It's an active policy choice being made by David

00:08:40.620 Eby every single day. So when he says he's Team Canada, but he supports shutting down pipelines,

00:08:48.140 that he supports bringing in his disastrous Clean BC plan, which he's pursuing with abandon,

00:08:53.780 which is costing us more than Donald Trump's tariffs will ever cost our economy. You know,

00:09:00.600 it's a total joke. So David Eby, I mean, he doesn't have a leg to stand on as far as I'm

00:09:05.480 concerned. He's not Team Canada. He's Team David Eby. He's Team NDP. He'll do whatever it takes to

00:09:11.140 please his base, but he is not going to be building up the economy in the way he should be.

00:09:15.460 Yeah. And it's unbelievable that I think of, I believe it's Heather Exner-Piro with MLI who

00:09:21.960 recently commented and was even testifying in a committee, which is that it's unbelievable that

00:09:27.180 this country is just going to rehash petty parochial pipeline infighting from the 2010s.

00:09:32.680 The moment Canadians were granted to step back up is looking like it has passed us. That's surely the 1.00

00:09:39.120 worry, right? That we had this elbows up election, that we had this we promise we'll be different

00:09:44.760 election and we're only months removed and we're sliding back into the same old, same old. Alberta

00:09:50.880 Premier Daniel Smith has more or less had to call the federal government's bluff and just say, you

00:09:58.180 know, here's your deadline. It's Grey Cup. It's Grey Cup weekend to make it happen. Do you see this

00:10:05.240 changing? Do you have any hope for this situation? I don't like to be pessimistic because I'm not a

00:10:12.380 pessimistic person. I watch your videos, you're not. No, and it's not even me trying not to be,

00:10:17.600 I'm not a pessimistic person. But when I look at David Eby and I look at his leadership or lack

00:10:21.860 thereof when it comes to BC's economy, it's demoralizing because you have a government here

00:10:32.700 that has actively placed layer upon layer of regulation and hurdles to investment in this

00:10:40.800 province from land use when it comes to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People

00:10:46.300 to things that sound kind of crazy to most people like gender-based analysis plus in various

00:10:51.200 environmental assessment programs. That's just one thing. I mean, federally you have all kinds of

00:10:56.720 things layered on top of that. So it's almost laughable when you see Eby say, oh, a pipeline's

00:11:02.980 fictional. There's no proponent. Of course, no private sector proponent in its right mind is

00:11:08.200 going to jump into this mess and say, yeah, that's the place I want to invest. That's exactly the

00:11:12.620 problem. That's where I think Daniel Smith is being really kind of innovative and showing some

00:11:16.540 leadership here and saying, look, let us pave the way. I have no interest in taxpayers building this

00:11:21.400 pipeline, but let us pave the way. And then ideally a proponent will say, okay, well, those hurdles

00:11:27.640 have been crossed and we can actually invest with some level of confidence.

00:11:33.500 Yeah. And gee, if some of the premiers who were lined up so behind Mark Carney seemingly during the

00:11:41.360 election actually care about pushing these things along, it's like you have to call their bluff.

00:11:45.660 If you want a bitumen pipeline to BC's North Coast, if you want to overhaul or scrap what are

00:11:51.220 what are known as these nine bad laws, what is she supposed to do when they're all but

00:11:59.360 filibustering at this point? I even think of, I mean, you have been so immense on the public land

00:12:04.760 use file. I think of the impacts that this would further have on indigenous investment and indigenous

00:12:11.860 projects where I thought it was in everyone's best interest in self-determinism, in true reconciliation,

00:12:17.780 not just, let's say, reconciliation incorporated. And some of the grift has popped up around that

00:12:23.620 industry that we should be approving projects and getting them to market and supporting things,

00:12:29.660 you know, not just kitamat, like, like just really open up the floodgates on all these things. So if

00:12:35.140 they, if they truly cared about reconciliation and they dress themselves up in, in that, in that

00:12:40.660 visage that they do, you know, why wouldn't, you know, why wouldn't they practice what they preach

00:12:44.720 on this? No, exactly. And they, a lot of what they, it's funny, a lot of what they've said,

00:12:50.500 I view as almost like an indictment on themselves. Like think about when David Eby started talking about

00:12:57.120 fast tracking projects in BC with the bill 15 that he put forward, where his plan was essentially to

00:13:03.260 handpick projects out of the process and move them forward. If you actually look at what he's talking

00:13:07.640 about with something like that, what he's saying is our regulatory system is such a quagmire.

00:13:14.720 It's so impossible that provincially significant projects cannot proceed. So I have to actually

00:13:20.720 reach in and instead of fixing that regulatory environment, instead of walking back some of

00:13:24.920 these things that make it impossible to build things in this province and federally, the supplies

00:13:29.120 too, they're just going to have to reach in and pull, pull their political favorites out.

00:13:33.680 Like think of what an indictment that is of the system that they've built.

00:13:37.640 And they're not willing to fix it. And so this is again, where I think Danielle Smith is probably 0.99

00:13:41.480 on the right track. She's saying, you're talking about building stuff. You're talking about building

00:13:45.320 Canada and team Canada, put your money where your mouth is, or at least your efforts where your mouth

00:13:49.940 is.

00:13:50.540 Yeah. And they've long been the ones who stymie and hinder the resource industry, you know, more than any.

00:13:56.000 Now, thinking of stymieing and hindering a country, a province, your work on the public land use file

00:14:05.700 has been, you know, how I came across your work. I mean, you've, you've been here on the Juneau,

00:14:10.840 on Juneau news before, sharing your insights. This is an issue that more and more Canadians,

00:14:17.560 certainly British Columbians now, but more and more Canadians, because the roadmap is being put down,

00:14:21.560 need to be made aware of. They need to know of the, the threat of, you know, not just potentially

00:14:28.680 losing access to their public parks. What about the very ground beneath your feet? And oh, that can

00:14:35.080 include your home. Tell us more about the public land use society and your fight on this, your,

00:14:42.600 your rational advocacy and, and what folks need to be worried about right now.

00:14:47.260 Yeah, I feel quite honored to sit on the board of the public land use society,

00:14:51.840 publiclanduse.ca. That'll be my plug for the audience to check it out. It really is worth

00:14:56.200 checking out because I think it's checking out because it's one of the, the organizations that's

00:15:00.120 been, I think, at the forefront of having this conversation in a thoughtful way, but also in a

00:15:06.760 really important way. And it's highlighting the various steps the BC government in particular is

00:15:12.240 taking, um, that is, is, is causing a lot of uncertainty on the land base. And it goes way

00:15:18.960 beyond, I think the reason maybe people care so much about it is it goes way beyond economic

00:15:23.920 development, which is obviously hugely important, uh, and, and, and deeply affected by these policies,

00:15:29.240 but also simple things like hiking, recreation, skiing, you know, the things that just regular

00:15:35.560 people like to do on the land, even if they work in some sort of office job, that's not directly

00:15:39.140 connected to the natural resource sector. Um, and then with the Cowichan decision, which came down,

00:15:44.260 uh, and also frankly, the Haida agreement, uh, which we can talk about as well. Uh, now it's

00:15:51.100 becoming even more personal in the sense that we are looking at private property rights, the kind of

00:15:56.540 most fundamental set of rights that our entire economy sits on, uh, and, and, and the way our society

00:16:01.780 functions based on. So, um, it's a huge deal. I think there's a reason we've been getting a lot of

00:16:06.520 attention with that, with that group. Uh, and so we're going to keep plugging away at it.

00:16:11.300 Yeah. I, I think of my first introduction to your work on this, I believe it was like

00:16:15.840 Joffrey lakes where all of a sudden folks was like, no, you're like losing access to your park

00:16:20.640 for what, like three months or something like it, or, or even the section of the beach shut down in

00:16:25.680 Tofino for a nice ritual. It's great to have rituals after a whale passed away, but it was,

00:16:31.400 it's just really extended period of time and how quickly behind closed doors that has seemingly

00:16:37.160 turned into, Oh, this might include your house. Like I, that, that Haida decision, like tell, 1.00

00:16:43.540 tell our audience about what happened in Haida Gwaii, because when you first read about it,

00:16:49.180 you think you're imagining it. Like it's, it's frankly pretty astonishing.

00:16:53.020 Yeah. So it's all really related to, to each other. Cause it's the same,

00:16:56.900 it's all been marked by the same secrecy. And, and it's just general lack of transparency around

00:17:04.640 the issue that I think is causing a lot of public distrust on this. And it's unfortunate, but

00:17:09.300 Haida Gwaii is an interesting one. So the province moved to recognize Aboriginal title over the entirety

00:17:16.160 of Haida Gwaii. They kind of patted themselves on the back for coming to this agreement outside of

00:17:23.420 the courts. And they said, this is, this is not only going to happen in Haida Gwaii, this is,

00:17:27.040 as David Eby said, this is a template for all of British Columbia. But what they did is they

00:17:31.180 overlaid Aboriginal title on top of private property. That's never happened before. The courts,

00:17:35.340 when they have ruled on these sorts of things have, have actually explicitly removed private

00:17:40.520 property because they, private property rights and Aboriginal title rights, they, they confer the 0.87

00:17:46.800 exclusive use of the land, the exclusive ability to decide what's done with the land. And if you put

00:17:51.480 those two interests over the same piece of land, you end up in a situation where it's just not a

00:17:55.620 compatible path forward. So what they did with Haida Gwaii, they went ahead with that despite all 0.86

00:18:03.160 kinds of legal concerns being raised around this. And then they went into the courts just recently

00:18:09.740 and quietly without telling anyone in the public sought a consent order from a judge. And what the

00:18:14.120 consent order from the judge does is it says, yes, we actually, as courts recognize this Aboriginal title

00:18:18.800 over this land that effectively constitutionalizes it and makes it impossible to undo or next to

00:18:25.600 impossible to undo through normal legislative means. So, you know, we can have a new government

00:18:30.080 elected tomorrow, they might say I'm very uncomfortable with this Haida agreement. Well, 1.00

00:18:33.280 you can't undo it now because it has been constitutionalized essentially by the courts.

00:18:38.800 They never announced to the public that they were doing this before doing it. They never announced

00:18:42.880 it after doing it. They've kept very hush-hush on it. And the only reason we're even talking about it

00:18:46.960 now is because the Haida nation themselves put out a press release stating their excitement around

00:18:51.920 this development. So it's a big issue and it's even more shocking not to just kind of keep going,

00:18:58.080 but it's even more shocking. No, you're here to keep going.

00:18:59.840 It's even more shocking in light of the Cowichan decision, which came down between the signing of

00:19:06.480 the Haida agreement and the consent order that the government sought between those two things

00:19:10.080 happening. The Cowichan decision came down from the courts and that recognized Cowichan Aboriginal

00:19:16.720 title over Samaria, an area of land in Richmond. What that did though, and it's widely understood

00:19:22.560 to have done so, is place private property rights in real jeopardy by saying that certain types of

00:19:29.440 rights are defective, invalid, that you can no longer count on your private property rights. So knowing

00:19:35.280 that, they went and then sought this consent order in the Haida case from the judge doing basically the

00:19:41.680 same thing. It's really wild. And as if home ownership in the lower mainland of British Columbia

00:19:47.760 isn't difficult enough, if you can even get into it, if you're not part of some foreign investment scam

00:19:54.560 or some shadow network of international home buyers. Now I think of a guy like myself, I'm in a rental,

00:20:01.040 like most people my age and under, my wife and I. And let's say we finally save up just enough to get in at the

00:20:08.960 bottom end of the market. Surely it chills the thought of ownership to think that years from now,

00:20:16.000 depending on the government, could be this year. Someone could dictate, an NDP government could

00:20:21.280 dictate. It won't be the Greens, even though that new gal is gaining a little bit of popularity. That, 0.75

00:20:27.360 oh, by the way, this doesn't belong to you anymore. You're now paying off to somebody else,

00:20:33.520 somebody you didn't elect. And so much of this seems to be downstream from obviously the UN

00:20:40.880 Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous People and then DRIPA, which I believe is the sort of

00:20:46.720 Canadian application of that UN Declaration. They're two different things, but they're very similar.

00:20:54.480 When I talk to my audience about this, when I put it in a column, there's a little bit of confusion

00:20:58.240 there. Could you clear up for our listeners, what's the difference between the two? How does it apply

00:21:04.400 and why should they be concerned about it? Yeah, sure. So just one thing to note on the

00:21:10.640 Richmond case just quickly before we begin on the couch. Tell us how screwed we are.

00:21:16.560 Well, I don't want to do that, but in terms of the uncertainty, look, some people have said,

00:21:21.040 oh, well, this doesn't immediately impact property rights and don't lose your cool.

00:21:26.480 But we actually saw the lawyer for the couch and say on the radio and repeated news articles that

00:21:34.640 homeowners, property owners in that affected area are going to have to seek the consent of the couch

00:21:39.520 and before they sell. Like this is a big deal and it's happening right now. So I just wanted to

00:21:46.640 emphasize that point, but moving on to the UN DRIPA thing. So the UN Declaration on the Rights of

00:21:52.560 Indigenous Peoples is essentially the way that they brought it into law in British Columbia and

00:22:00.560 Canada and say in BC, I'll talk about BC, I know BC better, is they introduced the Declaration on the

00:22:06.400 Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act. What that act essentially requires BC's laws to be brought into

00:22:13.040 alignment with UN DRIP. So it's just what they call the act. So when you hear DRIPA and UN DRIP,

00:22:18.800 for all intents and purposes, we're kind of talking about the same thing. But what it does is it's

00:22:26.000 gone far, far further, much, much further than the Canadian constitutional context that has been in

00:22:33.200 place for so long on this file. And it introduces a whole bunch of different layers of obligations

00:22:39.440 that don't exist. One of the things that comes up as problematic is the free prior informed consent

00:22:47.120 provision in it. And it basically says no project shall happen on the territory of these Indigenous 0.99

00:22:52.320 groups without free prior informed consent. And it is true. There's many people who talk about these

00:22:57.760 things and they say, well, that's not actually a veto. It doesn't need to be a veto. And that's true.

00:23:02.160 You could interpret it probably one way. To me, it sounds like a veto, but you might interpret it one way

00:23:06.480 or another. What's happening in British Columbia is they are interpreting it as a veto. And we're

00:23:11.360 seeing that through the Sechelt Foundation agreement, which the government signed and then kept secret

00:23:17.360 until after the election, which is just worth noting. You're seeing that in the recent agreement

00:23:23.600 around the Chilcotin. You're seeing that with a recent agreements signed over with five First Nations in

00:23:30.160 an area of Northwest BC that covers an area of the sides of England. It is being interpreted as

00:23:36.400 a veto in this. They'll deny it. They always say it's not a veto. But if you actually look at the

00:23:40.320 language in the documentation, they say no authorizations will be permitted in these areas

00:23:46.480 without the consent of these, without the agreement of these First Nations. So if they give their consent,

00:23:51.360 it happens. If it doesn't, if they don't, it doesn't. And I don't understand how we can think of that as

00:23:56.720 anything other than a veto. Yeah. And I think I even think of like the dock rights of the folks 1.00

00:24:02.560 in Pender Harbor, like these are fishermen and families and folks who have lived off the land

00:24:07.520 for decades. And now all of a sudden they have to go through somebody else. You know, this was

00:24:12.720 dreamed up behind closed doors. And it obviously brings to mind questions of our national autonomy of

00:24:19.360 our very culture of who the heck we are, which is, you know, we're already telling these kids at school

00:24:25.200 that they're on stolen land. And, and now we're, we're actually legally without public consultation,

00:24:32.560 making it seem like it, like it actually is. And what a slippery slope. And we know in activism

00:24:39.200 circles, and I'm very empathetic to, to true reconciliation that oftentimes with social issues,

00:24:45.600 especially over the last couple of years, progressive issues, when you give someone an inch,

00:24:51.120 they take a mile. If you, you, you, whether it was COVID overreach or cultural overreach or tearing

00:24:56.400 our flags down, or these industrial complexes tend to prop up, everyone starts to realize there's,

00:25:03.040 there's billions available to, to take where we're evidently coming for land rights for, for,

00:25:08.720 from Chinese families in Richmond. Like, where does, where does that end? Right? Like it, it, 0.99

00:25:14.640 I, and one of the things is that we both share that concern. We're both out here and we're,

00:25:19.600 we're starting to write about this more and more. We have a, we have a project called without

00:25:23.760 diminishment. You, you published a great video, a walk and talk down by the pier last night.

00:25:29.440 Tell us a little bit more about it. Yeah. I'm, I'm super excited about without diminishment.

00:25:36.240 It's got kind of a, I would say like a cultural focus to, to what we're trying to do. Right. It's

00:25:42.080 I think it'll serve as a great compliment to a lot of other publications that are out there

00:25:46.480 reporting, you know, the news, they're looking at the economy, they're looking at the fiscal

00:25:50.000 situation, they're looking at things, you know, that are really, really important. But I think

00:25:55.040 what, what without diminishment is going to do is I hope, and I, and I think it will achieve is,

00:26:00.640 is kind of elevating that cultural content a little bit more and talking about some of these like

00:26:04.560 issues that are a bit harder to talk about, right? Some of the, some of the almost like more

00:26:08.480 socially focused issues, like where are we going with reconciliation? And is this actually going to work out

00:26:14.400 well for all the parties involved and, you know, how do we deal with our country's past, but also how

00:26:18.720 do we kind of move from that discussion to a path forward? That's going to work for folks. So I'm

00:26:25.120 excited about it. And I think we're going to do some good things. That makes two of us. Caroline

00:26:31.120 Elliott, thank you for, for informing our audience today. And we'll, we'll talk to you again soon.

00:26:35.680 Happy to join.

Juno News - October 09, 2025

BC NDP Premier a threat to Canada

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