Juno News - February 12, 2019
BREAKING: Jody Wilson-Raybould resigns from cabinet
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Summary
Jodi Wilson-Raybould resigns as Minister of Veterans Affairs, Associate Minister of National Defense, and Minister of Justice, Jodi Wilson Raybould, was the first indigenous woman to ever be the Attorney General of Canada, the highest ranking position that an Aboriginal person has ever had in the Canadian government, and as of this morning she is gone from the cabinet, although she is still a Liberal member of Parliament.
Transcript
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Hello and good afternoon everyone my name is Andrew Lott and a fellow with True
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North here for another True North report this time on a bit of a different
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schedule in a different day than normal I typically do these on actually you
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know we don't have like a fixed schedule I just typically end up doing them on
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Wednesday or Thursday but I wanted to break with that to unpack and really
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delve into some of the breaking news that we're seeing unfold in Canadian
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politics this week mainly I'm not even gonna you know tee up a bunch of other
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stuff because the big story is the resignation from cabinet of Jody Wilson
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Raybould Jody Wilson Raybould is the veterans or was until this morning the
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Veterans Affairs Minister but most notably she was the Attorney General who
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claims that the PMO tried to pressure her to intervene in the prosecution of SNC
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Lavalin a liberal connected and quite frankly corruption ridden firm in
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Montreal and what is so fascinating about this I want to walk you through the
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timeline here because the story that started this all the Globe and Mail report
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citing unnamed sources started last week on I think Thursday morning Thursday
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morning Globe and Mail comes out with the story saying that the PMO tried to
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pressure Jody Wilson Raybould Trudeau denies this says that they're false and
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that he never directed and this is the key word that Justin Trudeau nor anyone in
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his office direct no he says they didn't so Jody Wilson Raybould has been very
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tight-lipped on this whole thing she has claimed solicitor client privilege says that
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she can't comment on it because that would be violating the sacred relationship
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that a lawyer has with their client and the secrecy that is supposed to be at the
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center there her client is the government of Canada or was when she was
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the Attorney General the government of Canada and we often view the Minister of
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Justice in the role as a cabinet minister that oversees the Justice Department
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which is valid but in the cases like these the Attorney General has a very
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specific role it is the government's chief lawyer and when push comes to shove her job
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is to go to bat for the government and the point that I made in a video I produced
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on this yesterday I think was that when you are the Attorney General for the
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government that means that you are representing the people you can't
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represent the government without actually representing the people that that
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government is supposed to represent and I know that sounds like a convoluted
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sentence but the point I'm trying to make there is that her accountability
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should not lie or end with the Prime Minister but her accountability should
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extend and to an end with the people of Canada and to be clear this is not an
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indictment of Jodi Wilson-Raybould because at this point it sounds like she
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actually is the only one that has a level of moral clarity about what's going on
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here this is the first indigenous woman to ever be the Attorney General of Canada
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the highest ranking position that an Aboriginal person has ever had in the
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Canadian government and as of this morning she has resigned she is gone from the
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cabinet although she is still remaining as a Liberal member of Parliament there
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was a report from one writer with APTN who said that Jodi Wilson-Raybould was
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going to citizen independent that wasn't true it was a kind of a
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miscommunication Jodi Wilson-Raybould still an MP still a Liberal MP but not a
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cabinet member and what's so important about this is that excuse me there's
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something that is paramount in government called cabinet secrecy or cabinet
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confidence which means anything that's discussed in the course of being in a
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cabinet meeting is protected you cannot share it not even with your own staff
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unless they're given the same classification so now that she is no longer in
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cabinet even if she is a Liberal she's got a lot more flexibility and a lot more
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latitude when it comes to criticizing what the government's doing and when we
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look at Jodi Wilson-Raybould's resignation letter we see exactly where
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we're likely to find some cracks forming I want to read this for you if you
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haven't encountered it yet it was written this morning she writes the
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following with a heavy heart I am writing to tender my resignation as Minister of
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Veterans Affairs and Associate Minister of National Defense I want to thank all
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Canadians and in particular the residents of Vancouver Granville who put their
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trust in me and supported me as Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada
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and as the Minister of Veterans Affairs and Associate Minister of National Defense
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when I sought federal elected office it was with the goal of implementing a
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positive and progressive vision of change on behalf of all Canadians and a
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different way of doing politics my resignation as a Minister of the Crown in
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no way changes my commitment to seeing that fundamental change achieved the work
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must and will carry on to Canadian veterans and their families I have the
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deepest admiration and respect for you the decision is in no way a reflection of
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my desire to see your service and sacrifice upheld and honored I only wish that I
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could have served you longer to my officials and ministerial staff thank you for your hard work in the
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service of all Canadians I am truly grateful for all that you have done and
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will continue to do I am aware that many Canadians wish for me to speak on
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matters that have been in the media over the last week I am in the process of
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obtaining advice on the topics that I am legally permitted to discuss in this
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matter and does such have retained the counsel of the Honorable Thomas Albert
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Cromwell CC again my thanks to all Canadians regardless of background geography or party
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affiliation we must stand together for the values that Canada is built on and
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which are the foundation for our future I look forward to continuing to serve as
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the Member of Parliament for Vancouver grand bill okay a couple of takeaways here
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number one she does not in this letter at all ever thank Justin Trudeau she doesn't thank her
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colleagues in cabinet she says that she's grateful to Canadians to her constituents
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to her staff no thank you for giving her the opportunity to serve so as Robin Urbach
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from CBC said in a tweet this is very much a cold breakup if ever there was one but
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then we compound this with Justin Trudeau's offices statement and they issued the
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following last night the Prime Minister spoke with Jody Wilson-Raybould who
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informed him she was tendering her resignation from Cabot the cabinet the
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Prime Minister convened a cabinet meeting this morning to inform his
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cabinet colleagues of Ms. Wilson-Raybould's resignation the Prime Minister also
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spoke with Minister Sajan who immediately assumes responsibilities acting as
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Acting Minister of Veterans Affairs the Prime Minister will be in Winnipeg later
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today and will hold a press conference at which he will answer questions from the media
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so when we put those two together we have a statement from Jody Wilson-Raybould in
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which she does not even acknowledge that Trudeau was the one that put her there
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and then we have a statement from Trudeau which doesn't acknowledge in any way any
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sense of gratitude to the service that Jody Wilson-Raybould has already
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contributed to her country so this proves that we're not just talking about some
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combination of letters here that tells us that this is all part of a plan this is
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very much an acrimonious split and I think that Trudeau was honestly
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blindsided by this I genuinely believe that he thought she was going to play ball
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and stay quiet and I'll tell you why I think that because just 24 hours ago which
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is I realize a lifetime in politics but just 24 hours ago Trudeau was out answering
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questions about this sort of and he had said that he welcomed an investigation
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and we'll talk about the ethics commissioner the federal ethics
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commissioner is investigating this but Trudeau said the following that she would
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have resigned from cabinet if she had felt improperly pressured his exact quote in
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our system of government of course her presence in cabinet should actually speak
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for itself to just take that in her presence in cabinet should actually speak
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for itself so Trudeau Trudeau surrogates Trudeau spokespeople and spin doctors try
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to make the claim that oh well if she had that many that big of an issue with how
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things are going in the Trudeau cabinet she wouldn't be there and then you fast
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forward a day and she's gone from cabinet she's saying I'm out so they made a
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calculation in using that line a calculation in using that line that I
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think has now been a profound failure because she's not in cabinet and the
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fact that she took such a personal sacrifice because her political career
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in the Liberal Party of Canada under Justin Trudeau right now is done if the
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Liberal Party changes if Trudeau flips out for someone else if they lose
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different story but under this particular government she has no future now so by
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resigning from cabinet and by doing it in this way she is genuinely putting her
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career on the line now I want to make a couple of points here I do not believe
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that she is standing up for the values that I want a politician to stand up for
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ideologically she's not someone who stands up for the things that I care about
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but I do believe from this whole chapter with everything we've heard that she is
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behaving and acting with integrity and Trudeau I don't like the stuff he's doing
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but I also resent even more that there is no integrity there is no integrity right
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now in what Justin Trudeau is doing and everyone's saying oh she should cross the
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floor across the floor across the floor I honestly find that to be a really dumb
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idea for two reasons number one she's still a liberal she ran for the liberals
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because she believes in in what the Liberal Party believes she's not a
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conservative by any stretch and I don't think the conservative should be
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welcoming non-conservatives into the ranks just because they happen to share a
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common enemy maybe she has some alignment with the NDP and her being from
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Vancouver if she is going to switch parties before the election it's a lot
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safer to go NDP if you're representing Vancouver Granville than it is to go
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conservative but I want to get into this in a bit more detail I want to read some
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comments here first we've got let's see a lot of people saying hi hi hi hello to
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you all we have Thomas who writes I honestly hope she can be truthful for all
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of Canada yeah I mean this solicitor client privilege thing is the most
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significant part of this because if Justin Trudeau genuinely cared about
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accountability and transparency he could as the head of the government in
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Canada waive that solicitor client privilege he could say full stop yes
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absolutely I'm an open book anyone can talk about this he's not doing that
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Kim writes Jody Wilson-Raybould has nothing to thank Justin Trudeau for he is a
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disgrace to Canada well I think that there's a lot of agreement that you'll
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find Kim my point is that typically politicians will even if they don't
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believe it give the cursory oh yes and my thanks to so-and-so for doing this and
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this and this and the fact that there wasn't even like a casual thank you in
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there speaks volumes let's see Rosemary writes the ethics commissioner there's a
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joke well yeah and I'm gonna get to that in a few moments because in all
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honesty the ethics commissioner has investigated Trudeau in the past and what
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do we have to show for it I mean pay $500 apologize for taking a private
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certification this if he's found guilty will be the fifth ethics violation and
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that is very much significant Rhonda writes I can imagine that she has been
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threatened I can imagine what she has been threatened with by Trudeau well
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career ruin mint is is probably what the threat is Robin writes what's her next
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move I'll answer that in a second Robin Judy writes lawyer to see what she can
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legally divulge we've got so many comments here we'll try to keep up with
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these as the show goes on so I want to answer that question that was posed by
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Robin what's her next move and this dovetails on what Judy said about getting
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the lawyer so this lawyer that she has secured for herself Cromwell is a Supreme
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Court or retired Supreme Court justice so we're talking about someone here who is
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kind of among the best in Canada and certainly the most reputable and she's
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getting a lawyer to in her words decide and figure out what it is that she can
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share publicly and what she can't and this suggests that we're very likely to
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see something in the way of a tell-all very soon Robin so it's possible that
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this will be some full-length interview with Rosie Barton it's possible she'll
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write some extended op-ed I mean I think that she's going to do some full-length
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sit-down interview it won't be with me I'll try it won't be with me she'll pick
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like the CBC or something because remember she still is very much in
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alignment with what the Liberals are about she took a stand however for due
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process in the rule of law and she found that the current incarnation of the
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Liberal Party in the reports that we're seeing does not stand up for that rule
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of law and that's the big issue here so I don't think that anyone saying will she
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cross the Conservatives will she I don't think that's gonna happen I think she's
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helping the Conservatives I think she's very much I mean the Conservatives are
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very much going to be the ones driving her story but I do not believe for a
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second that she is a conservative and you may remember when Leona Alislev the
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former Liberal MP from I think Newmarket Aurora crossed to the Liberals in the
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summer I had a very similar frustration which is okay that's fine that she's
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frustrated with the Liberals the Conservatives shouldn't be welcoming her
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with open arms unless they have a shared foundation of values and right now the
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only shared foundation of values between the Liberals and or the Conservatives and
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Jody Wilson-Raybould is a belief that Trudeau has royally screwed up and that may
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not be enough to make her a conservative but it is enough to make her a key
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pillar and I think what the Conservatives and for that matter the People's
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Party and even the NDP should be doing right now which is calling on Trudeau to
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answer questions you have to remember here Justin Trudeau was the captain of
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transparency and accountability and openness when he was using those words
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and pretty much every interview and every media statement back in 2013 2014
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2015 and I have a video coming out tomorrow that's looking at that just a
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bunch of tweets from him saying the Prime Minister needs to testify under oath sign the
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petition the Prime Minister needs to testify under oath well let's flip that
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around now Justin Trudeau should testify under oath and him saying that
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transparency should be the default openness should be the default that we
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should all as our starting point have government that is not keeping secrets
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from the people and all of that has gone by the wayside now that Justin Trudeau is in
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the Prime Minister seat and he has access to these mechanisms that allow him to
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close off his government from public scrutiny he's employing that he's
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employing that and we need to start getting some answers here and the problem
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with the ethics commissioner is that the ethics commissioner does not have the
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ability to turn this into a bit of a show trial and I'm not saying that I want to
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show trial but I want there to be some public accountability as opposed to
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Justin Trudeau sitting in a room answering some questions and then this getting
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distilled into a very sanitized and very condensed report that everyone reads
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that's what happened with the Bahamas vacation whereas if Justin Trudeau would
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agree to go before the Justice Committee say there would be a public
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questioning and yes it would be used for partisanship the conservatives would
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play it up it would be not exactly like the Kavanaugh hearing in the US but
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it would even there's a risk that it would turn into something just very
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polarizing and partisan but at least it would be public-facing because we're
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past the point where the solution can exist in the back rooms when the
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problem existed in the back rooms the solution can't when the problem took
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place in locked closed doors or when the problem took place behind locked
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closed doors the solution has to be in plain view with sunlight beaming down on it
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and that's what Justin Trudeau needs to do he needs to have a full transparent and
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public accounting of everything that happened and for that he needs to let
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Jody Wilson-Raybould off the leash that has been put around her vis-a-vis
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attorney-client privilege and I believe wholeheartedly when she said that that
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she thinks her hands are tied the last thing she wants is to be disbarred to be
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criminally charged she can't do that she needs to get a lawyer with a lot of
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experience to walk her through you can say this you can say that you can say this
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and I think we need to start looking at her not as a disgruntled cabinet member
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but start looking at her as a whistleblower start looking at her as a
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whistleblower in all honesty David writes where there is smoke yeah well at this
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point we're seeing the smoke we're seeing the embers and I think within 24
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hours we'll probably start seeing the fire Cheryl right she may have just
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sacrificed her career but it's the truth she has to speak did she resign because
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of what it did to her personally by demoting her rather than potential
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corruption well why she resigned I mean if she genuinely had a big issue with what
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was going on and it was a deal-breaker she probably could have resigned right
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then and there she could have said back and I think October when this is rumored
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to have happened no I'm done I'm walking away she did stay in she tried to do her
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part but now that she's being thrown under the bus then it becomes where she
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has to start standing her ground and digging her feet in a bit more and I
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think that's what we're seeing now so I believe her resignation is not because
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of the corruption directly but her resignation is because this is the only
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way she's able to speak out about what went on and I mean we're looking at
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someone who if she takes down Justin Trudeau she'll be the conservative's
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favorite person but she'll also be the future leader of the Liberal Party if
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Canada Louisa writes transparency is just for others not for Trudeau yeah
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that's precisely the problem here is that Justin Trudeau talked a big game
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when he wanted Stephen Harper to be more transparent but all of a sudden when the
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shoes on the other foot the the CTD headline that was a great one I'm
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paraphrasing but Attorney General sees no reason to probe alleged PMO
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interference the Attorney General who's appointed by the Prime Minister sees no
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reason to look into the Prime Minister so the government has done that whole thing
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I don't know if you've seen that police mean that goes around but we've
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investigated ourselves and we've determined that nothing happened you
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can't investigate yourself you just can't but this is exactly where we're going to
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see an impasse here you cannot square these two completely conflicting
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narratives on one side that nothing happened that no one was directed to do
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anything that this is all false that Justin Trudeau may have talked about
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S&C Lavalin but he told her she could make her decision versus the Globe and
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Mail report that there was pressure and there was stronger these two are it you
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can't have both of these be true they are in contradiction with one another so
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herein lies the question mark one of the big question marks who blinks first and I
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think you're gonna start to see some other fractures here we saw a couple of
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days ago the Liberal MP Céline César Chavannes who apparently made a joking
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comment at a Robbie Burns dinner or Robert Burns dinner a couple of weeks ago that
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was supporting Jody Wilson-Raybould she tweeted this week about Jody Wilson-Raybould's
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courage and bravery now as I understand she's not running again but therein lies
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another one that the Liberals have trotted out as a token who seems to be siding
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with Jody Wilson-Raybould look I'm not at all one for identity politics I don't
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like it I don't care about it I don't think it helps but there is something to
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the symbolism here the Trudeau who prides himself on being the feminist Prime
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Minister the you know the pro-indigenous Prime Minister has now
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thrown the female indigenous justice minister a former justice minister under
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the bus and he has again a minority female a black female in Céline César
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Chavannes who is taking aim at him indirectly as well so all of these these
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little tokens that he has put out seem to be ultimately pawns that can be
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sacrificed at the first sign of trouble and that's where we are now most people
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in politics will stick to wherever the path to power is which means most people
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will keep their mouths shut it's the fact of life Liberals Conservatives doesn't
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matter most people will go along with it because they want a seat in the cabinet
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they want to be running in the next election they want to be in good graces
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of the Prime Minister who right now holds all the power but when that starts to
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fracture that's when you see people drop like flies and I think we may be at the
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starting point of that right now we may be at the starting point because Jody
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Wilson-Raybould is not a Leona Alislev and with all due respect to Leona
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Alislev most people had never heard of her before she crossed to the Conservatives
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she's not even Céline César Chavannes she is a high-profile member of this
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government one of the most visible members of this government up until this
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morning and now she's gone and she's gone in a way that suggests she is angling to
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make a power play very very soon Karen asks why has the RCMP not stepped in
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well this is in Bartley asked a similar question why do you think they are not
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involved well for starters and I talked about this with Leo Knight who's a true
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north fellow and former RCMP officer the other day you have to take into
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consideration a few different things here number one the RCMP does not move
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swiftly on stuff like this they want to collect evidence so if the RCMP is
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investigating that could take time and it could take days weeks months or hopefully
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not years but theoretically a year so that's part of it number two we don't
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know if there was any criminal wrongdoing or if it's just ethical issues so we
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have a conflict event a conflict of interest and ethics commissioner in
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Ottawa who's tasked with looking up ethical concerns it's possible that someone
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has broken the ethics law but not broken criminal law and remember that Justin
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Trudeau as Prime Minister is allowed to talk to his Attorney General about
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ongoing cases the Attorney General is allowed to intervene in prosecution
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there's a path that it has to be done through but this is all allowed where it
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would be criminal is if this intervention happened because of something that was
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untoward if this intervention happened through means that were criminal such as
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bribery extortion corruption and we know that SNC Lavalin has wound up facing
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criminal charges and convictions on corruption and bribery scandals so we know
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that it wouldn't be out of character for the company we don't know if there was
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anything linking that conduct to this particular government though and that's
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the big challenge here that's ultimately where we're going to see the
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question marks of the next chapter of this is whether the wrongdoing is just
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political but remember I also don't think that the RCMP involvement at this
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point matters as much because the story is public enough that people are able to
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formulate an opinion on it based on the information that is available and the
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public component of this may be enough because remember in politics it doesn't
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need to be criminal wrongdoing that sinks you it can also be PR wrongdoing or just
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political faux pas and right now we're seeing that I mean when there is a
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fracture in the cabinet this close to an election that's the other part we are
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eight months away from the election we are probably about four months from the
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starting of campaign season because once MPs go on summer break which should be
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around May even if it's not the rip period that's basically when the election
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is going to start so we're looking at a period of you know maybe May June July
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August September maybe even five months of campaigning which means we're three
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months away from it so this is not going to be irrelevant and the conflict of
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interest in ethics Commissioner will have a report done before then this will
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take a little bit of time but it should be done before the election which means we
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may have a finding yet again that Trudeau has broken federal law Trudeau was the
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first Prime Minister in Canadian history to have been found to violate federal law
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while in office and that was ethics laws so it doesn't need to be an RCMP issue
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for it to go to a significant length now remember Trudeau has a very strong grip on
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his caucus and on his party I don't think they're ready to pounce on him like
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Patrick Brown's PC party was for example when there was a bit of a hint of
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wrongdoing and people were already dissatisfied enough that it became easy
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to push him away Trudeau doesn't have that problem I mean he still has a lot
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of popularity within his party and he has up until this point now I don't know how
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large a constituency Jody Wilson-Raybould has within the Liberals of people that
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would believe her over him but it is interesting that Justin Trudeau the the
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big believer in believe all women is now probably going to be headed towards this
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strategy of calling a woman that he endowed with a very significant
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positional liar that's what this is headed towards she's gonna make all these
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claims Justin Trudeau has already said the claims in the Globe and Mail report
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were false and he's gonna start saying she's a liar and in the believe all women
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narrative will crack when a prominent strong independent woman is calling out
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Justin Trudeau for his nonsense so that's what I see happening here I mean she
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has lawyered up these are in her own words she's brought on legal counsel to
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help guide her through the process of what she can say and can disclose moving
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forward so that is going to be what we can see next it's not going to happen
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next week most likely but I'd say within the next three to four weeks we're
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probably going to see some big tell-all from Jody Wilson-Raybould in the form
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of a sit-down interview with CBC that's my prediction here I'm making it at 2 35
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Eastern Time on February 12 if I'm wrong I'll just delete the video but so don't
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save any copies of folks but that's something we're likely to see and then
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from there I think we'll start to see a bit of a slander campaign about Jody
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Wilson-Raybould coming through unofficial sources which can probably be linked
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back to the liberal spin machine and that's because if what happened is what
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the Globe and Mail describes and this is the if it is just a report based on
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anonymous sources but if what happened is how the Globe and Mail describes it
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then heads have to roll one way or another and it's either going to be the
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person who if the story is not true the person who made up those claims which may
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well link back to Jody Wilson-Raybould and if it is true it's going to be
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damning to the person who tried to pressure Jody Wilson-Raybould and this
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eventually led to her getting kicked out of cabinet or resigning on her own and I
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think that again I have to reiterate the point that I genuinely believe Trudeau
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didn't see it coming because yesterday he was saying that oh well if she had any
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issue she wouldn't have left cabinet or she would have left cabinet and well now
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less than 24 hours later she's left cabinet so this was a very very bad
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miscalculation by the Trudeau spin machine and one for which he and his team
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will now be paying and remember this isn't Friday this isn't a Friday before a
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long weekend where things kind of go away where this is still early in the week
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there is a lot more fuel left in the tank of the story here and I think that
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we'll genuinely see some change happen I mean I'm leery to do anything that
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involves like being published a day after I write it because I'm convinced that
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this story will change very rapidly we're at that point now so I want to just
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close here read a few comments before we go let's see James writes the facts
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remain that Justin Trudeau is not truly representing Canada the massive foreign
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funding increase for the Liberal Party must be exposed to do so would provide
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transparency about who Justin Trudeau truly represents well the foreign
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campaign funding is an issue I've talked about a lot not relevant to this story
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but again there are a lot of people that want to keep Trudeau in office at all
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costs let's see Rosemary writes hope her legal counsel isn't a liberal well I
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think that he is a liberal appointed justice a former Supreme Court justice but
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by all accounts he's a very well reputed and well-regarded one so he's agreed to
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represent her so I think that means he must start to see at least a bit of a
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bit of a bit of truth in what she's saying Bruce writes thanks for the update
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Andrew keep up the good work well on that note I'll end on a compliment thank you
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very much Bruce really do appreciate it we'll have lots more on this as the
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story develops folks this is Andrew Lawton for True North thank you God bless and