Juno News - BREAKING： Mark Carney sent daughter to discredited U.K. Tavistock Transgender Clinic

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show and we are breaking some news,

00:00:12.720 an exclusive story that just came out on Juneau News that Mark Carney, Canada's new Prime Minister,

00:00:18.400 sent his daughter, his eldest daughter, Sasha, to the Tavistock Clinic, the transgender clinic

00:00:24.640 in the uk for treatment with regards to gender dysphoria this happened when sasha was a teenager

00:00:31.360 she lived in the uk from age 13 to 17 and during that time she went to the tavistock clinic we are

00:00:39.040 joined today by the reporters who broke this story true north's cosmon jersey and alex zoltan

00:00:45.040 alex cosmon welcome to the show thanks candace thank you okay so i'll go to you first cosmon

00:00:51.040 Can you tell us about the story, what happened, how we found it, and tell us a little bit about the Tavistock Clinic for those who don't know.

00:00:59.580 Yeah, that's right. So Sasha Carney, who was born Sophia Carney, that's her birth name, is quite a public figure in her own right.

00:01:07.160 She's a writer, a former student activist, and as the prime minister's daughter, one of four kids, she's had quite a public footprint.

00:01:17.400 So we decided to investigate some of the things that she's written, and there's quite a lot of it.

00:01:23.260 And part of that was this essay in which she discusses transgender issues.

00:01:28.680 A lot of her writing is actually about LGBT and transgender issues.

00:01:32.180 But in this particular piece, she discusses how she went to therapy at the Tavistock Clinic.

00:01:38.860 And the Tavistock Clinic, for those who aren't familiar with it, was shuttered by the National Health Service in the United Kingdom

00:01:45.900 because of several exposés that revealed that clinicians were rushing children as young as six

00:01:53.720 years old and under into life-changing, life-altering gender transition treatments, as they 1.00

00:02:01.300 called it. And it was over 300 kids that were under six years old that were being pushed into

00:02:06.840 this type of medicalization based on this idea that they somehow had gender dysphoria at this

00:02:14.080 young age and it caused lawsuits and this is why this clinic was eventually shuttered and it

00:02:20.340 eventually led to the cast review which is that famous review that came out of the UK disproving

00:02:26.440 some of the claims that transgender community makes about the so-called effectiveness of this

00:02:32.260 treatment well it's it's really remarkable I mean you have to sort of feel bad for a person like

00:02:38.460 this I'm talking about Sasha because this was happening to her when she was a teenager and

00:02:43.440 you know, a parent's role in life is to help guide their children, particularly through some of the

00:02:48.460 most difficult issues that they face in their teenage years. And so I mentioned off the top

00:02:52.440 that Sasha lived in the UK with her dad when Mark Carney went to take that job for the governor of

00:02:58.180 Bank of England. She was a teenager. We found that information because she has, like you said,

00:03:03.900 she's a writer, she's a prolific writer, and she's been receiving a lot of publicity. So you can go

00:03:09.440 back to when she was 13 years old, she was writing short stories. And there was a profile of her on

00:03:16.180 an Ottawa blog that mentioned that she was 13 years old. And at that point, she was still going

00:03:20.340 by Sophia, that she moved to the UK. And by the time she started at Yale University in 2017, when

00:03:26.300 she was 17 or 18 years old, at that point, she was already going by Sasha. Alex, why don't you talk a

00:03:32.960 little bit about the specific essay that you found that she talks about the Tavistock Clinic? What

00:03:38.920 does she say? What does the essay tell us about this young woman? Yeah, so she speaks a lot about

00:03:46.520 not feeling trans enough, which I thought was really interesting. Clearly, you know, a young 1.00

00:03:52.500 person going through identity issues. Yeah, it's quite, it's a very short essay. It's only, you

00:03:58.960 know, a couple of pages long. But as Cosmin had mentioned, she does have a really prolific

00:04:03.140 online presence. And so there's a lot of other information out there. She's very political,

00:04:08.980 which kind of adds to the mystique and intrigue of why she isn't a part of Carney's campaign,

00:04:15.060 like his other daughters. And I think that's kind of interesting as well.

00:04:19.560 Well, you mentioned it. So the youngest daughter, Cleo, people might recognize her because she was

00:04:25.840 the one that was out introducing her father at the liberal convention. You can see her on the

00:04:29.940 screen there. She is a first-year university student, a freshman at Harvard. Obviously a

00:04:35.120 super impressive young woman. She spoke very eloquently. You saw how proud she is of her dad

00:04:40.140 and it kind of gives you like a warm feeling of like what a lovely family, like look at this

00:04:44.620 daughter, they must be so proud of her. And she also earlier appeared in a campaign ad for Mark

00:04:50.860 Carney just talking about why she thinks that her dad will be a great prime minister. She's sort of

00:04:56.100 an influencer in her own right, and she's involved in a lot of left-wing environmentalists advocacy

00:05:01.200 as well. But in light of the story about Sasha that we now know, it's like, you know, they have

00:05:07.560 this one daughter that they're putting out in front of the campaign to try to focus attention

00:05:11.120 over here. And then you realize this other story about their other daughter. And it is kind of sad.

00:05:17.600 I want to point to this essay that was in Authenticity. We saw the headline of it. And one

00:05:24.840 the things i'll just read a passage from it um she writes that i watched as a friend after a year

00:05:31.320 of weekly appointments trying desperately to get an official diagnosis of gender dysphoria

00:05:36.840 was denied the diagnosis and with it any hope of top surgery because they sometimes wore skirts 0.85

00:05:43.800 so from that quote i sort of see that these young women are almost trying to game the system like 0.97

00:05:49.640 they go to therapy and they're trying to convince a therapist that they have gender dysphoria because

00:05:54.200 they want to get top surgery like a body altering surgery to make young women look more masculine 0.97

00:06:00.200 and more like boys i'll continue to read she said that i felt a fierce surge of jealousy every time

00:06:07.400 i walked into tavistock for therapy and saw patients turn left towards the medical spaces

00:06:13.800 i didn't feel trans enough to enter so judging from this passage it appears that she was there

00:06:21.400 for therapy obviously but that she wasn't on a pathway to being transitioned because she said

00:06:27.000 you know the other people turn left those are the ones that were getting to go to medical spaces for

00:06:31.960 like more trans people and that she was just going there for therapy and so to me that means that

00:06:38.360 either the the therapists or perhaps her parents weren't allowing her to go down that path but

00:06:43.080 yet they were still allowing her to go to tap suck and she mentioned earlier in the essay that she

00:06:46.360 lived a block away from it and so you have to wonder you know age 13 to 17 still very much 0.81

00:06:52.120 under the guide of your parents um that her mom and dad allowed her to do this allowed for this

00:06:57.960 to happen and um you know now we we see sasha continuing in public life she's a very prolific 0.99

00:07:05.400 writer as you mentioned she endorsed bernie sanders uh for president the sort of far left

00:07:09.720 democrat even though she's canadian i don't think she's american um cosmon what else has your

00:07:14.840 research found yeah in that essay she also discusses uh and advocates for child use of

00:07:22.840 puberty blockers she says that children have a right to puberty blockers have a right to hormone

00:07:29.080 therapy so it's very evident that that was her intention is was to go down the medical transition

00:07:35.240 route but as you pointed out perhaps it didn't look like that happened she was just there for

00:07:39.880 therapy. But on a larger scale, Mark Carney has never addressed this issue, what he thinks about

00:07:47.180 the transgender issue, whether biological men should be in women's spaces. He's made a brief

00:07:54.140 comment talking about it, you know, America's war on woke, and he's also, but he's never gotten

00:08:00.140 any further into that. And we need to know where Mark Carney stands on these issues,

00:08:04.420 because he's going to go up for an election he wasn't he's an elected yeah absolutely well we

00:08:10.340 have that clip so let's let's play this because this i did just to just to uh key it up key it up

00:08:14.660 to the viewer uh this is something that mark carney said that he's never been pressed on right he

00:08:19.620 comes out and he says the americans are fighting a war on woke we're going to continue to fight for

00:08:23.380 inclusivity which to me means that he is pro-woke like he is woke if he's opposed to the americans

00:08:29.460 fighting war and woke um then that would mean that he's probably but no journalist has been

00:08:33.540 able to ask him about this and this makes me wonder if this is the reason why true north and

00:08:38.260 juno news and other independent media outlets have not been allowed anywhere near mark carney

00:08:43.140 because they're worried that he might get pressed on this important issue that canadians do deserve

00:08:47.140 to know where does he stand on the trans issue does he believe that boys should get to play in

00:08:52.100 girl sports does he believe that children should be able to access life-altering medications and

00:08:57.860 surgeries like this is a huge topic right now and he hasn't answered so uh well let's let's

00:09:03.220 first show that clip that you're referring to cosmon there's a fever gripping america

00:09:09.380 and while it rages canadians will remain resolute and true to our values

00:09:16.420 while america engages in a war on woke canadians will continue to value inclusiveness

00:09:23.780 now it's interesting that he said that because that obviously stood out to all of us

00:09:27.860 And at the time, I thought maybe someone on his campaign had written the line, and it had kind of gone over poorly, so they never mentioned it again, because it almost seemed out of character for Mark Carney. He doesn't seem like a radical. He doesn't seem like a leftist. And yet he said that, and he didn't say anything else like that ever again. Like I said, the media never pressed him on it. But given this new information that's come to light about his own daughter, it does sort of say, okay, well, he is on that side. He does believe these things. He lived them in his own family and allowed this to happen with his daughter.

00:09:56.840 So obviously he is woke. What do you think, Alex?

00:10:01.000 Yeah, it seems like a very radical departure from the Trudeau liberal leadership because Trudeau never neglected an opportunity to put himself behind.

00:10:11.740 I'll just call it the rainbow agenda, I guess you could call it, whereas Mark Carney almost seems to be running away from it.

00:10:18.340 And this woke comment is really the only glimpse of what we might know about his actual opinions on the subject.

00:10:24.840 He's been very evasive. And so, you know, if Trudeau were in charge and Sophia was his daughter,

00:10:29.960 I feel like, you know, he would be using her as center stage for his political campaigning. So I

00:10:36.020 find this is kind of an interesting departure. Well, it's interesting, but I think that times

00:10:40.080 have changed. I really believe that most people in the West, most Canadians are not on board for

00:10:45.680 this kind of thing. Like they see it as an issue of fairness. I certainly do. I don't want little

00:10:49.960 boys playing sports against my daughters. I just don't want that. And when I go back to my own

00:10:54.260 childhood, like one of my best memories was playing sports. And being a girl, playing sports

00:11:00.280 is an opportunity that you only get because of girls leagues. And if all of a sudden you're

00:11:04.100 allowing boys to go in there, allowing boys to invade female spaces, like locker rooms, bathrooms, 1.00

00:11:09.840 even women's shelters and female prisons. I mean, we've seen all kinds of horrors happen

00:11:15.100 in those environments over the last decade. And I think enough people are saying like enough

00:11:19.460 with this stuff. It's not a good idea, particularly around children. Remember Danielle

00:11:23.800 Smith, premier of Alberta, banned this kind of, these kinds of things, puberty blockers and

00:11:30.300 surgeries for minors. And, you know, I think a lot of people were expecting like a huge blowback and

00:11:35.580 it just didn't happen because people want this. Like even people on the political left that I

00:11:39.400 talk to, they don't, they're not on board with this kind of thing. They think it's wrong,

00:11:42.760 particularly with children. And so maybe Mark Carney's just reading the political environment.

00:11:47.440 Now, just to disclose to the viewer, we don't, we're not reporting at all that Mark Carney's

00:11:52.980 daughter transitioned or that she took any kind of puberty blockers or pharmaceutical drugs or had

00:11:58.060 any kind of surgery. That's not confirmed at all. That's not what the story is. The story is simply

00:12:02.320 that she went to this gender clinic for therapy. She wrote about it in an essay and that that gender 0.99

00:12:08.100 clinic has since been closed due to completely unethical practices and whistleblowers basically

00:12:13.940 showing that young children were forced, were rushed into transition. So really interesting.

00:12:21.060 if you go through her bio as well, when she was attending Yale University, she was interviewed

00:12:26.740 for an article, I believe we have a picture of it here, that Yale University decided to give

00:12:33.780 students the option of identifying as non-binary. So Yale gives students three gender choices. And

00:12:41.700 Sasha Carney was quoted heavily in this piece, talking about herself as a transgender person

00:12:48.740 and um as being non-binary and so that is quite interesting and we also found a record of a

00:12:56.500 official name change so she she changed her name legally from Sophia Carney to Sasha Carney

00:13:04.100 in 2021 but we can tell by her writing that she went by the name Sasha Carney from a much younger

00:13:09.220 age but she legally did it interestingly that she did it in New York given that I believe she's a 1.00

00:13:14.020 a Canadian and a citizen of the UK, or maybe she's not a citizen of the UK, but she lived in UK for

00:13:19.000 high school, but she currently lives in Brooklyn. So, I mean, it sort of seems like she's having

00:13:25.580 some kind of an identity crisis. What do you think, Cosman? Yeah, but she's also a student

00:13:30.880 activist. From the pieces I've read of her time at Yale and at university, she was pretty much

00:13:37.420 pushing for these issues at the student level. And it's, it's, you know, we're talking about

00:13:43.480 Mark Carney, I think Mark Carney is attempting to portray himself as a conservative. And that's

00:13:49.080 why he won't touch this issue. And on the other hand, it's also the rabid nature of transgender 1.00

00:13:55.260 activists who would totally skewer him if he went in any other direction than the one they approve

00:14:03.500 of. And I doubt, yeah. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, including presumably his own daughter,

00:14:08.760 because she does seem to be quite an activist. Like some of the other positions that she advocated

00:14:13.240 for in these essays that she wrote, like the abolition of prisons, like all prisons, basically

00:14:18.540 all criminals should be allowed out on the street. Obviously this was in the context of like the

00:14:22.720 Black Lives Matter, like defund the police, but she went even further, right? Most people were 0.99

00:14:26.940 just saying, most radical leftists were just saying defund the police, but she was saying

00:14:30.260 and abolish all prisons. And like you said earlier, she advocates for children receiving

00:14:35.520 these life-altering pharmaceutical drugs and surgeries. You can continue, Cosme.

00:14:40.520 Yeah. And it's important to ask these questions. This is our prime minister and nobody else is

00:14:46.360 doing it. The legacy media refuses to ask him any tough questions or try to get his views about

00:14:52.160 anything other than what he wants to talk about. And Mark Carney has been totally silent on this

00:14:58.180 in terms of getting responses to us.

00:15:00.960 We've repeatedly tried to reach out to Mark Carney

00:15:03.520 to offer him an opportunity to explain himself

00:15:06.360 and to tell Canadians where he stands on these issues.

00:15:10.560 And he has refused every attempt.

00:15:12.700 He's thrown out our reporters.

00:15:14.360 He's thrown out other independent media reporters.

00:15:17.400 And, but this is our job.

00:15:19.540 This is the job of journalists

00:15:21.020 to look into the most powerful person in this country.

00:15:24.920 Well, and particularly his daughter.

00:15:26.860 And also of note, the story that we're talking about did happen when she was a teenager.

00:15:31.180 She was 13 to 17 when she was in the UK, and that is when she went to the Tavistock Clinic.

00:15:36.160 But she's now an adult.

00:15:37.300 She's a 24-year-old.

00:15:38.680 She lives in Brooklyn.

00:15:39.940 She's a public figure because she writes prolifically, including about personal details

00:15:43.900 of her own life.

00:15:44.600 So we're not pulling anything that's not already published in the public domain already.

00:15:51.040 Now, Alex, you reached out to Sasha Cartney.

00:15:53.720 Did she reply to you?

00:15:55.160 No, she did not.

00:15:56.120 and she's also removing some of her other socials as well so i think she's trying to

00:16:00.520 you know evade public scrutiny as is her right yeah i mean she's a she's a private citizen but

00:16:06.280 her her father is the prime minister of this country and i think that it's completely fair

00:16:11.160 game to ask him what his positions are given what happened with his own daughter and and interestingly

00:16:19.320 as well uh you know this is this is sort of an interesting thing she she says like in every

00:16:24.360 every time she's profiled every time she's interviewed she says that she goes by they them

00:16:28.360 pronouns but yet she's still referred to as mark carney's daughter so maybe maybe this is like my

00:16:34.600 own ignorance i don't quite understand like she considers herself non-binary but she still

00:16:41.240 considers herself to be mark carney's daughter um alex can you explain that to me no actually i can't

00:16:48.120 i was thinking about that last night as well i don't know if gender neutral folks go by daughter

00:16:53.560 or son right i mean what would you describe them as as a child i i don't know frankly sorry yeah i

00:17:01.000 don't know either cosmon do you know well i would assume the neutral term would be mark carney's

00:17:07.480 child but that's also like infantilizes it a little bit but uh yeah it's and there's not a

00:17:13.720 lot of clarity i i think there is a lot of confusion that comes across in her own writing

00:17:18.680 right, this need to meet society's standards, the standards that I guess the transgender 1.00

00:17:26.840 community has set for themselves. There is this expectation to go become medicalized and do the

00:17:34.060 full thing, have a full cross gender operation. I think most transgender people set that bar and

00:17:44.620 look at themselves and consider whether they're going that direction. But from her own writing,

00:17:49.120 it's a lot about, well, you know, am I trans enough? Am I meeting these expectations? But

00:17:54.240 it just goes to show how agenda driven and almost this like sort of like cult-like status the

00:18:03.160 transgender community has imposed on the people who have fallen into it. Yeah, it's so strange 1.00

00:18:09.820 because when I was reading about her as well I noticed the demand for they them pronouns but

00:18:15.000 then anytime I read about her like the CBC she won some poetry prize back in 2019 or she was

00:18:19.200 nominated for one and there's an article about her in the CBC and they refer to her as they

00:18:25.860 which as a reader I just get confused like I don't understand how a single person can be they

00:18:30.660 I know that they insist on she insists on using they them but it doesn't make sense from a written

00:18:36.220 perspective, which is why I noticed in our piece at Juno News, we still refer to her as she because

00:18:43.020 she's born a woman. And I think she is still a woman, just a confused one. Sadly, what a sad 0.99

00:18:49.340 story. I can't help but feel bad for this young woman. And I feel a little bit of like anger and

00:18:55.340 frustration at her parents for allowing this to happen to her. Well, Cosme and Alex, thanks so

00:19:00.540 much for joining us. Really appreciate you highlighting this, you spending the weekend

00:19:04.700 obviously researching and putting this information out so thanks so much for all your work thank you

00:19:11.100 candace thank you all right folks uh head on over to junonews.com you can see the full article and

00:19:16.940 i encourage you to subscribe to juno as well and help support independent journalists like cosman

00:19:22.620 and alex and all the work that they do at true north and candace malcolm this is the candace

00:19:26.380 malcolm show we'll be back again tomorrow with all the news updates we'll talk about mark carney

00:19:30.220 and his trip to europe his new cabinet him abolishing or at least saying he's getting rid

00:19:34.380 rid of the carbon taxes and much, much more. So we'll be back tomorrow with all the news.

00:19:38.060 Thank you and God bless.

Juno News - March 17, 2025

BREAKING： Mark Carney sent daughter to discredited U.K. Tavistock Transgender Clinic

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