00:00:00.000Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show and we are breaking some news,
00:00:12.720an exclusive story that just came out on Juneau News that Mark Carney, Canada's new Prime Minister,
00:00:18.400sent his daughter, his eldest daughter, Sasha, to the Tavistock Clinic, the transgender clinic
00:00:24.640in the uk for treatment with regards to gender dysphoria this happened when sasha was a teenager
00:00:31.360she lived in the uk from age 13 to 17 and during that time she went to the tavistock clinic we are
00:00:39.040joined today by the reporters who broke this story true north's cosmon jersey and alex zoltan
00:00:45.040alex cosmon welcome to the show thanks candace thank you okay so i'll go to you first cosmon
00:00:51.040Can you tell us about the story, what happened, how we found it, and tell us a little bit about the Tavistock Clinic for those who don't know.
00:00:59.580Yeah, that's right. So Sasha Carney, who was born Sophia Carney, that's her birth name, is quite a public figure in her own right.
00:01:07.160She's a writer, a former student activist, and as the prime minister's daughter, one of four kids, she's had quite a public footprint.
00:01:17.400So we decided to investigate some of the things that she's written, and there's quite a lot of it.
00:01:23.260And part of that was this essay in which she discusses transgender issues.
00:01:28.680A lot of her writing is actually about LGBT and transgender issues.
00:01:32.180But in this particular piece, she discusses how she went to therapy at the Tavistock Clinic.
00:01:38.860And the Tavistock Clinic, for those who aren't familiar with it, was shuttered by the National Health Service in the United Kingdom
00:01:45.900because of several exposés that revealed that clinicians were rushing children as young as six
00:01:53.720years old and under into life-changing, life-altering gender transition treatments, as they
00:02:01.300called it. And it was over 300 kids that were under six years old that were being pushed into
00:02:06.840this type of medicalization based on this idea that they somehow had gender dysphoria at this
00:02:14.080young age and it caused lawsuits and this is why this clinic was eventually shuttered and it
00:02:20.340eventually led to the cast review which is that famous review that came out of the UK disproving
00:02:26.440some of the claims that transgender community makes about the so-called effectiveness of this
00:02:32.260treatment well it's it's really remarkable I mean you have to sort of feel bad for a person like
00:02:38.460this I'm talking about Sasha because this was happening to her when she was a teenager and
00:02:43.440you know, a parent's role in life is to help guide their children, particularly through some of the
00:02:48.460most difficult issues that they face in their teenage years. And so I mentioned off the top
00:02:52.440that Sasha lived in the UK with her dad when Mark Carney went to take that job for the governor of
00:02:58.180Bank of England. She was a teenager. We found that information because she has, like you said,
00:03:03.900she's a writer, she's a prolific writer, and she's been receiving a lot of publicity. So you can go
00:03:09.440back to when she was 13 years old, she was writing short stories. And there was a profile of her on
00:03:16.180an Ottawa blog that mentioned that she was 13 years old. And at that point, she was still going
00:03:20.340by Sophia, that she moved to the UK. And by the time she started at Yale University in 2017, when
00:03:26.300she was 17 or 18 years old, at that point, she was already going by Sasha. Alex, why don't you talk a
00:03:32.960little bit about the specific essay that you found that she talks about the Tavistock Clinic? What
00:03:38.920does she say? What does the essay tell us about this young woman? Yeah, so she speaks a lot about
00:03:46.520not feeling trans enough, which I thought was really interesting. Clearly, you know, a young
00:03:52.500person going through identity issues. Yeah, it's quite, it's a very short essay. It's only, you
00:03:58.960know, a couple of pages long. But as Cosmin had mentioned, she does have a really prolific
00:04:03.140online presence. And so there's a lot of other information out there. She's very political,
00:04:08.980which kind of adds to the mystique and intrigue of why she isn't a part of Carney's campaign,
00:04:15.060like his other daughters. And I think that's kind of interesting as well.
00:04:19.560Well, you mentioned it. So the youngest daughter, Cleo, people might recognize her because she was
00:04:25.840the one that was out introducing her father at the liberal convention. You can see her on the
00:04:29.940screen there. She is a first-year university student, a freshman at Harvard. Obviously a
00:04:35.120super impressive young woman. She spoke very eloquently. You saw how proud she is of her dad
00:04:40.140and it kind of gives you like a warm feeling of like what a lovely family, like look at this
00:04:44.620daughter, they must be so proud of her. And she also earlier appeared in a campaign ad for Mark
00:04:50.860Carney just talking about why she thinks that her dad will be a great prime minister. She's sort of
00:04:56.100an influencer in her own right, and she's involved in a lot of left-wing environmentalists advocacy
00:05:01.200as well. But in light of the story about Sasha that we now know, it's like, you know, they have
00:05:07.560this one daughter that they're putting out in front of the campaign to try to focus attention
00:05:11.120over here. And then you realize this other story about their other daughter. And it is kind of sad.
00:05:17.600I want to point to this essay that was in Authenticity. We saw the headline of it. And one
00:05:24.840the things i'll just read a passage from it um she writes that i watched as a friend after a year
00:05:31.320of weekly appointments trying desperately to get an official diagnosis of gender dysphoria
00:05:36.840was denied the diagnosis and with it any hope of top surgery because they sometimes wore skirts
00:05:43.800so from that quote i sort of see that these young women are almost trying to game the system like
00:05:49.640they go to therapy and they're trying to convince a therapist that they have gender dysphoria because
00:05:54.200they want to get top surgery like a body altering surgery to make young women look more masculine
00:06:00.200and more like boys i'll continue to read she said that i felt a fierce surge of jealousy every time
00:06:07.400i walked into tavistock for therapy and saw patients turn left towards the medical spaces
00:06:13.800i didn't feel trans enough to enter so judging from this passage it appears that she was there
00:06:21.400for therapy obviously but that she wasn't on a pathway to being transitioned because she said
00:06:27.000you know the other people turn left those are the ones that were getting to go to medical spaces for
00:06:31.960like more trans people and that she was just going there for therapy and so to me that means that
00:06:38.360either the the therapists or perhaps her parents weren't allowing her to go down that path but
00:06:43.080yet they were still allowing her to go to tap suck and she mentioned earlier in the essay that she
00:06:46.360lived a block away from it and so you have to wonder you know age 13 to 17 still very much
00:06:52.120under the guide of your parents um that her mom and dad allowed her to do this allowed for this
00:06:57.960to happen and um you know now we we see sasha continuing in public life she's a very prolific
00:07:05.400writer as you mentioned she endorsed bernie sanders uh for president the sort of far left
00:07:09.720democrat even though she's canadian i don't think she's american um cosmon what else has your
00:07:14.840research found yeah in that essay she also discusses uh and advocates for child use of
00:07:22.840puberty blockers she says that children have a right to puberty blockers have a right to hormone
00:07:29.080therapy so it's very evident that that was her intention is was to go down the medical transition
00:07:35.240route but as you pointed out perhaps it didn't look like that happened she was just there for
00:07:39.880therapy. But on a larger scale, Mark Carney has never addressed this issue, what he thinks about
00:07:47.180the transgender issue, whether biological men should be in women's spaces. He's made a brief
00:07:54.140comment talking about it, you know, America's war on woke, and he's also, but he's never gotten
00:08:00.140any further into that. And we need to know where Mark Carney stands on these issues,
00:08:04.420because he's going to go up for an election he wasn't he's an elected yeah absolutely well we
00:08:10.340have that clip so let's let's play this because this i did just to just to uh key it up key it up
00:08:14.660to the viewer uh this is something that mark carney said that he's never been pressed on right he
00:08:19.620comes out and he says the americans are fighting a war on woke we're going to continue to fight for
00:08:23.380inclusivity which to me means that he is pro-woke like he is woke if he's opposed to the americans
00:08:29.460fighting war and woke um then that would mean that he's probably but no journalist has been
00:08:33.540able to ask him about this and this makes me wonder if this is the reason why true north and
00:08:38.260juno news and other independent media outlets have not been allowed anywhere near mark carney
00:08:43.140because they're worried that he might get pressed on this important issue that canadians do deserve
00:08:47.140to know where does he stand on the trans issue does he believe that boys should get to play in
00:08:52.100girl sports does he believe that children should be able to access life-altering medications and
00:08:57.860surgeries like this is a huge topic right now and he hasn't answered so uh well let's let's
00:09:03.220first show that clip that you're referring to cosmon there's a fever gripping america
00:09:09.380and while it rages canadians will remain resolute and true to our values
00:09:16.420while america engages in a war on woke canadians will continue to value inclusiveness
00:09:23.780now it's interesting that he said that because that obviously stood out to all of us
00:09:27.860And at the time, I thought maybe someone on his campaign had written the line, and it had kind of gone over poorly, so they never mentioned it again, because it almost seemed out of character for Mark Carney. He doesn't seem like a radical. He doesn't seem like a leftist. And yet he said that, and he didn't say anything else like that ever again. Like I said, the media never pressed him on it. But given this new information that's come to light about his own daughter, it does sort of say, okay, well, he is on that side. He does believe these things. He lived them in his own family and allowed this to happen with his daughter.
00:09:56.840So obviously he is woke. What do you think, Alex?
00:10:01.000Yeah, it seems like a very radical departure from the Trudeau liberal leadership because Trudeau never neglected an opportunity to put himself behind.
00:10:11.740I'll just call it the rainbow agenda, I guess you could call it, whereas Mark Carney almost seems to be running away from it.
00:10:18.340And this woke comment is really the only glimpse of what we might know about his actual opinions on the subject.
00:10:24.840He's been very evasive. And so, you know, if Trudeau were in charge and Sophia was his daughter,
00:10:29.960I feel like, you know, he would be using her as center stage for his political campaigning. So I
00:10:36.020find this is kind of an interesting departure. Well, it's interesting, but I think that times
00:10:40.080have changed. I really believe that most people in the West, most Canadians are not on board for
00:10:45.680this kind of thing. Like they see it as an issue of fairness. I certainly do. I don't want little
00:10:49.960boys playing sports against my daughters. I just don't want that. And when I go back to my own
00:10:54.260childhood, like one of my best memories was playing sports. And being a girl, playing sports
00:11:00.280is an opportunity that you only get because of girls leagues. And if all of a sudden you're
00:11:04.100allowing boys to go in there, allowing boys to invade female spaces, like locker rooms, bathrooms,
00:11:09.840even women's shelters and female prisons. I mean, we've seen all kinds of horrors happen
00:11:15.100in those environments over the last decade. And I think enough people are saying like enough
00:11:19.460with this stuff. It's not a good idea, particularly around children. Remember Danielle
00:11:23.800Smith, premier of Alberta, banned this kind of, these kinds of things, puberty blockers and
00:11:30.300surgeries for minors. And, you know, I think a lot of people were expecting like a huge blowback and
00:11:35.580it just didn't happen because people want this. Like even people on the political left that I
00:11:39.400talk to, they don't, they're not on board with this kind of thing. They think it's wrong,
00:11:42.760particularly with children. And so maybe Mark Carney's just reading the political environment.
00:11:47.440Now, just to disclose to the viewer, we don't, we're not reporting at all that Mark Carney's
00:11:52.980daughter transitioned or that she took any kind of puberty blockers or pharmaceutical drugs or had
00:11:58.060any kind of surgery. That's not confirmed at all. That's not what the story is. The story is simply
00:12:02.320that she went to this gender clinic for therapy. She wrote about it in an essay and that that gender
00:12:08.100clinic has since been closed due to completely unethical practices and whistleblowers basically
00:12:13.940showing that young children were forced, were rushed into transition. So really interesting.
00:12:21.060if you go through her bio as well, when she was attending Yale University, she was interviewed
00:12:26.740for an article, I believe we have a picture of it here, that Yale University decided to give
00:12:33.780students the option of identifying as non-binary. So Yale gives students three gender choices. And
00:12:41.700Sasha Carney was quoted heavily in this piece, talking about herself as a transgender person
00:12:48.740and um as being non-binary and so that is quite interesting and we also found a record of a
00:12:56.500official name change so she she changed her name legally from Sophia Carney to Sasha Carney
00:13:04.100in 2021 but we can tell by her writing that she went by the name Sasha Carney from a much younger
00:13:09.220age but she legally did it interestingly that she did it in New York given that I believe she's a
00:13:14.020a Canadian and a citizen of the UK, or maybe she's not a citizen of the UK, but she lived in UK for
00:13:19.000high school, but she currently lives in Brooklyn. So, I mean, it sort of seems like she's having
00:13:25.580some kind of an identity crisis. What do you think, Cosman? Yeah, but she's also a student
00:13:30.880activist. From the pieces I've read of her time at Yale and at university, she was pretty much
00:13:37.420pushing for these issues at the student level. And it's, it's, you know, we're talking about
00:13:43.480Mark Carney, I think Mark Carney is attempting to portray himself as a conservative. And that's
00:13:49.080why he won't touch this issue. And on the other hand, it's also the rabid nature of transgender
00:13:55.260activists who would totally skewer him if he went in any other direction than the one they approve
00:14:03.500of. And I doubt, yeah. Yeah. Well, I was going to say, including presumably his own daughter,
00:14:08.760because she does seem to be quite an activist. Like some of the other positions that she advocated
00:14:13.240for in these essays that she wrote, like the abolition of prisons, like all prisons, basically
00:14:18.540all criminals should be allowed out on the street. Obviously this was in the context of like the
00:14:22.720Black Lives Matter, like defund the police, but she went even further, right? Most people were
00:14:26.940just saying, most radical leftists were just saying defund the police, but she was saying
00:14:30.260and abolish all prisons. And like you said earlier, she advocates for children receiving
00:14:35.520these life-altering pharmaceutical drugs and surgeries. You can continue, Cosme.
00:14:40.520Yeah. And it's important to ask these questions. This is our prime minister and nobody else is
00:14:46.360doing it. The legacy media refuses to ask him any tough questions or try to get his views about
00:14:52.160anything other than what he wants to talk about. And Mark Carney has been totally silent on this