Juno News - October 21, 2021


Calgary’s incoming mayor declares war on energy sector


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31 minutes

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175.61653

Word Count

5,564

Sentence Count

160

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:06.660 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.
00:00:12.780 Coming up, Calgary's incoming mayor declares war on the oil and gas sector,
00:00:17.640 MPs are facing their own vaccine mandate,
00:00:20.140 and Justin Trudeau gets dressed down into Kamloops.
00:00:24.180 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.
00:00:30.440 Hello and welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.
00:00:34.520 This is the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North, Thursday, October 21st, 2021.
00:00:40.140 My great privilege and pleasure to have you aboard.
00:00:43.080 This is going to be a bit of an interesting show.
00:00:45.760 I'm going to try to cover a few different subject areas here
00:00:48.600 because it's been, despite the fact that Parliament's not sitting,
00:00:51.880 a rather busy week for Canadian politics,
00:00:55.120 certainly as we are getting back into the swing of things.
00:00:57.560 I must say, though, thank you to all of you who have written to me
00:01:01.100 since the earlier episode of the show this week,
00:01:03.520 in which I spoke with former Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Brian Peckford.
00:01:08.180 If you haven't seen this interview, do go and check it.
00:01:10.920 We have it posted on True North's website.
00:01:12.980 You can get it at tnc.news.
00:01:15.840 As we talked to a former Premier,
00:01:17.580 the last surviving member of that club of first ministers
00:01:20.840 who were around when the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was adopted in Canada,
00:01:25.420 and he's saying that the Charter is basically in shreds on the ground
00:01:29.940 and being stomped upon.
00:01:31.880 These are my words, of course.
00:01:33.080 He was far more eloquent in his Newfoundlander way.
00:01:36.480 Stomped on by leaders of governments now,
00:01:39.580 federally and provincially,
00:01:40.960 who push vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, lockdown restrictions.
00:01:45.100 And he's saying this is not what we were calling for
00:01:48.300 when we wanted a Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
00:01:50.400 And in particular, if you're interested in getting into the wonky stuff,
00:01:53.540 his thoughts on Section 1 of the Charter,
00:01:56.400 which is the so-called reasonable limit section,
00:01:59.500 are very fascinating.
00:02:00.860 And he said, yeah, if we knew that was what that was going to be used for,
00:02:04.700 I mean, basically, we wouldn't have signed it,
00:02:06.820 is what I took away from what he said there.
00:02:09.260 But a lot of great feedback.
00:02:10.680 We've gotten people, even from outside of Canada,
00:02:12.600 that are looking at that
00:02:13.540 and seeing that they wish politicians in their own countries
00:02:17.460 were talking like that.
00:02:19.580 So I'm very grateful to all of you who have tuned in,
00:02:21.560 and do watch it if you haven't had a chance yet.
00:02:23.680 I bet we'll be taking clips from that in future shows.
00:02:27.140 I just suspect that this is going to be something
00:02:29.180 that we will end up revisiting several times over.
00:02:32.420 And I've also had a lot of,
00:02:33.560 I mean, sometimes I'll get a guest on
00:02:35.100 and I get more feedback about the guest than about me,
00:02:37.840 which is fine because, you know,
00:02:39.360 I bring them on because they're far better than me usually.
00:02:41.760 But I've had a lot of people that say,
00:02:43.040 you should have Brian Peckford on for a full show.
00:02:45.320 So that might be something we do in the future.
00:02:47.300 Thanks again to all of you for watching that
00:02:50.040 and listening to that.
00:02:51.820 We're going to talk a lot about rights and freedoms
00:02:53.500 later on in the show and about Canadian symbolism,
00:02:56.320 which is something that, believe it or not,
00:02:57.980 does still matter.
00:02:59.160 But I want to first talk about this story out of Alberta.
00:03:03.120 You may remember on Monday night,
00:03:04.720 Alberta had its municipal elections.
00:03:06.540 My colleague Candace Malcolm and I hosted a live show
00:03:09.580 to talk about the referendum,
00:03:11.160 the results in the bigger communities
00:03:13.220 like Calgary and Edmonton.
00:03:14.660 And here's the thing,
00:03:16.760 the Calgary mayor's first order of business
00:03:19.340 has been to give a middle finger
00:03:21.780 to the oil and gas sector
00:03:23.980 that historically has made up
00:03:25.520 the bulk of Alberta's employment
00:03:26.900 and in particular, Calgary's employment.
00:03:29.540 Her first order of business is to say to them,
00:03:32.240 screw you, you don't matter.
00:03:34.840 This is Calgary mayor-elect Jody Gondek
00:03:38.140 and I believe her first interview
00:03:39.740 after being elected as Calgary's mayor,
00:03:42.480 replacing the head Nenshi,
00:03:43.600 she was sitting down on Real Talk with Ryan Jesperson
00:03:47.160 and she says, ah, you know what?
00:03:49.620 The first order of business,
00:03:51.360 like the very first thing she's going to do,
00:03:54.760 again, the first,
00:03:55.900 not in the hundred days I'm there,
00:03:58.020 we want to get around,
00:03:58.800 the very first thing is to declare
00:04:00.440 a climate emergency.
00:04:03.420 So first order of business,
00:04:05.340 I asked mayor-elect Sohi the same thing,
00:04:07.260 not like a, you know,
00:04:08.840 sort of a nice phone call or something,
00:04:10.500 I'm talking about something you're going to sink your teeth into,
00:04:13.720 something that is mayor-elect Gondek's top priority.
00:04:18.260 What's going to be the first thing across your desk?
00:04:21.320 We have had the opportunity to declare
00:04:24.160 a climate emergency for years.
00:04:27.060 We have had various documents presented to us
00:04:30.260 as a council and I think we've had more than enough time
00:04:32.640 to review them.
00:04:33.340 So let's get serious,
00:04:34.500 let's declare this
00:04:35.400 and let's start going after some of the capital
00:04:37.760 that we will see flow in
00:04:38.980 once we make a bold move like that.
00:04:40.500 It is a bold move
00:04:41.940 and I don't have to tell you about how
00:04:44.000 even a phrase like climate emergency
00:04:47.520 can ripple through a downtown core.
00:04:50.320 Do you have to find a balance
00:04:51.720 as the mayor of a city
00:04:54.020 that's seen itself flourish
00:04:57.740 because of oil and gas revenue?
00:05:00.580 Do you have to be careful about the words you use
00:05:03.480 or are we past that?
00:05:04.680 Do people misunderstand where Calgary
00:05:06.340 and business leaders are at right now?
00:05:09.120 I don't believe that talking about a climate emergency
00:05:12.280 and oil and gas are mutually exclusive ideas.
00:05:16.340 I think as a matter of fact,
00:05:17.500 we've forgotten what we're good at.
00:05:19.420 We are very good at energy production
00:05:20.760 and we are also leaders in innovative ways
00:05:23.620 to practice energy production.
00:05:25.420 We became fixated on that end product being oil and gas.
00:05:28.420 So let's move past the outputs
00:05:31.260 and start talking about the processes again
00:05:33.280 and let's put ourselves on the map
00:05:35.020 as a city that is the absolute leader
00:05:37.860 in a transitioning economy
00:05:39.280 and let's show the world
00:05:40.540 that by using innovation and technology,
00:05:42.840 we can come up with sustainable,
00:05:45.100 greener, cleaner solutions
00:05:46.240 across all of our business sectors.
00:05:48.040 That's the kind of message we need to set.
00:05:50.800 You know, we don't need to be hung up
00:05:52.400 on what it is we're producing.
00:05:53.700 Let's talk about the ways that we get there.
00:05:55.200 Oh yeah, so not only is Mayor Gondek of Calgary
00:05:59.960 going to declare a climate emergency,
00:06:02.400 but also she's insisting Calgarians need to,
00:06:05.560 in her words, move past oil and gas.
00:06:09.880 Move past oil and gas.
00:06:11.600 Can you imagine another jurisdiction in the world
00:06:14.280 that would look the gift horse in the mouth,
00:06:17.180 so to speak, and take their strongest asset,
00:06:20.680 their strongest resource and say,
00:06:22.700 yeah, you know, maybe we just do something else.
00:06:28.440 This would be like the Banff Tourism Board saying,
00:06:31.640 okay, hey guys, just hear me out.
00:06:34.520 Maybe we should do something other than mountain tourism.
00:06:38.540 Maybe we should do, like, forget about the Rockies.
00:06:40.520 What about, oh, what else can we do?
00:06:43.340 I don't know.
00:06:44.500 No, no, no, we don't want to do Rockies.
00:06:46.060 What else do we have?
00:06:47.780 Horseback, can we do horseback riding?
00:06:49.360 Okay, maybe, no, no, no,
00:06:51.200 we're not doing the Rockies, Tom.
00:06:52.740 Stop telling us.
00:06:53.400 No, we're not promoting that.
00:06:55.780 Or Whistler.
00:06:56.780 Okay, we're going to move past skiing.
00:07:00.980 Just hear me out.
00:07:02.080 No, why are you throwing things at me?
00:07:04.260 These are the board meetings I can imagine
00:07:06.460 if you were to be on some tourism board and say,
00:07:09.160 let's just forget about the strongest thing we have
00:07:12.540 that everyone likes.
00:07:13.300 Now, diversification is all well and good.
00:07:15.580 Not putting all your eggs in one basket,
00:07:18.600 as they say, is fine.
00:07:19.980 But there's a difference between proactively diversifying
00:07:23.440 and saying, yeah, there's no reason we can't be a tech hub.
00:07:26.020 There's no reason we can't do these other things.
00:07:28.300 And doing what Mayor Gondek and a lot of these climate alarmists
00:07:31.200 and environmental radicals are saying,
00:07:34.360 which is, let's just ignore it.
00:07:36.500 Let's move away.
00:07:37.660 Let's actually kick it to the curb.
00:07:39.340 And this is what is becoming the basis,
00:07:42.760 or I'd say has become the basis,
00:07:44.360 of the federal government's climate policy.
00:07:46.540 Justin Trudeau has been touting this so-called
00:07:49.200 just transition away from the energy sector.
00:07:53.020 And they're calling it a just transition
00:07:54.680 because they're trying to insist
00:07:56.680 that there's going to be a soft landing
00:07:58.500 for all of these energy sector workers
00:08:00.680 that they want to put out of a job.
00:08:02.220 No, no, no, we'll transition them to new things.
00:08:04.460 It's Justin Trudeau's nicer way of doing
00:08:06.740 what Joe Biden said a while ago,
00:08:08.280 of basically just learning to code.
00:08:10.260 This is effectively what they're trying to do now.
00:08:14.020 And when you have an ally in Alberta
00:08:16.420 that's passing on that same message,
00:08:19.260 it's going to be bad news
00:08:20.940 for anyone in that sector in Alberta.
00:08:23.500 Now, Brad Wall, the former Premier of Saskatchewan,
00:08:26.400 has said far from Calgary moving past oil and gas,
00:08:29.780 he says it's oil and gas's time to move past Calgary,
00:08:32.820 which I think is a phenomenal point here.
00:08:34.820 He said on Twitter,
00:08:36.520 oil and gas headquartered companies
00:08:38.440 should move past Calgary,
00:08:40.060 look to some other more welcoming cities.
00:08:42.600 Perhaps that would be Regina or Saskatoon.
00:08:45.840 The problem is if you want a more welcoming city
00:08:48.640 for an oil and gas headquarter,
00:08:50.480 you're going to find a lot more support
00:08:52.560 looking down in the US.
00:08:54.280 This is why we've seen this exodus of this sector
00:08:57.220 to greener pastures on the other side of the border,
00:09:00.000 because they're getting a welcoming government there,
00:09:02.800 less regulation.
00:09:03.820 They're getting more than they can get up here,
00:09:06.340 because we have, instead of a government
00:09:08.100 that is trying to support the sector,
00:09:10.580 a government that is actively trying to take it out
00:09:12.880 to the woodshed and execute it.
00:09:15.400 And the fact that the first order of business
00:09:17.560 for the incoming mayor of Calgary
00:09:19.080 is to assist that process,
00:09:21.560 I mean, even Rachel Notley
00:09:23.400 wasn't going to be that bold
00:09:25.260 to say, yeah, you know,
00:09:27.080 I mean, her policies spoke for themselves,
00:09:28.860 but her language was not that bold.
00:09:30.780 Her language was not that clear.
00:09:32.080 She at least understood that, yeah, you know,
00:09:34.060 maybe it doesn't send a good message to Albertans
00:09:36.100 to talk about me wanting to sign
00:09:38.120 a death warrant on their jobs.
00:09:39.900 And if you think I'm using extreme rhetoric,
00:09:41.720 well, this is, I think,
00:09:42.840 very much matching with the tone
00:09:44.960 of these politicians like Mayor-elect Gondek.
00:09:48.400 And she's not alone in this.
00:09:50.280 She's just one notable example of this.
00:09:53.280 And this is why we were talking about this
00:09:55.300 on the live show on Monday.
00:09:57.200 How does a city like Calgary,
00:09:58.780 which is just a sea of blue,
00:10:00.180 for the most part, federally and provincially,
00:10:02.960 elect all these people municipally?
00:10:05.300 And in a lot of cases,
00:10:06.620 it's because these municipal folks
00:10:08.680 don't show their true colors
00:10:10.200 until they get elected sometime.
00:10:12.620 Here's a clip from Councillor Gondek
00:10:15.160 a few years ago,
00:10:16.160 in which the oil and gas sector
00:10:17.700 is like the greatest thing since sliced bread.
00:10:20.200 Because I'm a Canadian
00:10:21.400 and a public servant at the city of Calgary,
00:10:23.860 I support Canada's oil and gas sector.
00:10:26.420 Why?
00:10:26.720 Because Canada's oil and gas firms
00:10:29.280 have repeatedly demonstrated leadership
00:10:31.400 on a global stage,
00:10:33.100 whether through innovations in technology
00:10:35.280 that minimize impact to the environment
00:10:37.360 or unmatched standards
00:10:39.120 in health and safety practices.
00:10:41.200 That's not empty rhetoric.
00:10:43.140 It's rooted in research and review.
00:10:45.820 Rankings like Transparency International
00:10:47.740 and the Jancy Social Index
00:10:49.740 review global corporations
00:10:51.500 for their triple bottom line performance.
00:10:54.040 And Canadian energy producers
00:10:55.540 continue to outperform other nations
00:10:57.740 for one simple reason.
00:10:59.940 Our companies are valued
00:11:01.180 because they lead with their values.
00:11:03.880 My name is Jyothi Gondek,
00:11:05.440 City Councillor for Ward 3.
00:11:07.280 I'm taking action for Canada's future
00:11:09.260 because our national economy
00:11:11.040 depends on Canadians advocating
00:11:13.120 for our leadership
00:11:14.240 in energy-based
00:11:15.760 corporate social responsibility.
00:11:18.000 Please join the movement
00:11:19.160 and spread the word.
00:11:20.680 Share this video
00:11:21.400 and let your friends know
00:11:22.560 that the city of Calgary
00:11:23.840 is unified
00:11:24.380 in supporting our energy sector.
00:11:27.120 We are YYC Proud.
00:11:28.540 So there you go.
00:11:32.040 Which is the authentic Gondek?
00:11:33.520 I suspect the one now
00:11:35.140 is probably more authentic.
00:11:36.840 But even then,
00:11:37.680 if she's just going to say
00:11:38.680 what she needs to say
00:11:39.620 to get elected in the moment
00:11:40.920 and keep support
00:11:42.160 from whatever constituency
00:11:43.140 she wants in the moment,
00:11:44.720 I don't really think
00:11:45.720 she's all that useful
00:11:46.740 to anyone anyway.
00:11:49.180 But now Calgary's mayor
00:11:50.560 is an enemy of the sector
00:11:52.900 on which Calgary's economy,
00:11:54.680 generally speaking, relies.
00:11:56.520 And this is something unique
00:11:58.000 to Canada.
00:11:59.080 You know how we often hear
00:12:00.000 this expression
00:12:00.640 from the woke left now,
00:12:02.180 check your privilege.
00:12:03.520 Well, I would say the same thing
00:12:04.880 to a lot of these folks.
00:12:05.920 Check your privilege.
00:12:07.000 Elsewhere in the world,
00:12:08.240 countries would kill
00:12:09.640 to have the resource richness
00:12:11.900 that Canada has,
00:12:13.580 that Alberta has,
00:12:14.620 specifically that Calgary has,
00:12:16.460 insofar as being
00:12:17.680 the economic hub
00:12:18.700 for this resource is concerned.
00:12:21.240 And just look,
00:12:21.920 this is an article from BBC
00:12:23.540 just one day ago.
00:12:25.380 Fossil fuel production
00:12:26.660 is set to soar
00:12:27.980 over the next decade.
00:12:30.040 Now, the tone of this article
00:12:31.220 is that it's bad news
00:12:32.260 for all of these countries
00:12:33.640 that are about to meet
00:12:34.460 in Glasgow, Scotland
00:12:35.600 for the UN's climate summit
00:12:37.220 for COP26.
00:12:38.700 And they're all concerned
00:12:39.880 that, oh, well,
00:12:40.440 you know,
00:12:40.660 all these countries
00:12:41.340 want to keep global warming
00:12:42.800 down to 1.5 degrees
00:12:44.220 and reduce production,
00:12:45.160 but it looks like
00:12:46.180 fossil fuel production
00:12:47.200 is on the rise.
00:12:49.480 So if you have in Canada
00:12:51.440 environmental activists
00:12:53.380 that are succeeding
00:12:54.160 in getting a foothold
00:12:55.200 in government
00:12:55.740 and turning away from this,
00:12:58.260 well, everyone else
00:12:59.280 in the world
00:12:59.720 is ignoring their commitment.
00:13:01.220 Everyone else in the world
00:13:02.000 is ignoring what they say
00:13:03.240 is their moral obligation,
00:13:05.060 their moral duty,
00:13:05.920 the Greta Thunberg approach
00:13:07.040 to public policy.
00:13:08.320 And Canada is going
00:13:09.940 to be saying,
00:13:10.440 well, you know,
00:13:10.800 we got to find solar panels
00:13:12.280 and, well, okay,
00:13:14.160 maybe some wind farms
00:13:15.160 or something like that.
00:13:16.160 Like, but the reality is
00:13:18.080 no one else
00:13:19.740 is doing anything
00:13:21.400 about this.
00:13:23.260 If you want to look
00:13:24.140 at the countries
00:13:24.820 who are the big emitters,
00:13:27.400 China is likely
00:13:29.100 not even going to be
00:13:30.540 at COP with a full delegation,
00:13:32.380 even though everyone's
00:13:34.360 been trying to kiss the ring,
00:13:35.380 especially John Kerry
00:13:36.360 in the U.S.
00:13:37.560 John Kerry,
00:13:38.380 the climate envoy,
00:13:39.280 has been saying,
00:13:39.860 ah, yes,
00:13:40.180 China's going to be
00:13:40.760 our partner in climate.
00:13:42.140 Antony Blinken,
00:13:42.960 the U.S. Secretary of State,
00:13:44.300 has said, yes,
00:13:44.880 we're reaching across the aisle.
00:13:46.300 China's going to be
00:13:46.920 our partner
00:13:47.380 in fighting climate change.
00:13:48.820 And just this week,
00:13:50.300 Chairman Xi
00:13:51.040 is still not confirmed
00:13:52.800 that he's going to be there.
00:13:53.960 More and more reports
00:13:54.960 suggesting that the head
00:13:56.760 of the Chinese delegation
00:13:58.100 will not be,
00:13:59.060 like for every other country,
00:14:00.720 the head of state
00:14:01.880 or the head of government.
00:14:03.140 So Chairman Xi
00:14:04.280 is not even going to be there.
00:14:05.200 All of these countries
00:14:05.980 around the world
00:14:06.740 have been trying
00:14:07.740 to kiss the ring,
00:14:08.620 trying to say,
00:14:09.220 well, we don't want
00:14:09.700 to rock the boat.
00:14:10.480 We're going to work with them.
00:14:11.540 And China's just like,
00:14:12.600 yeah, whatever.
00:14:14.180 And China,
00:14:14.940 which is the greatest emitter,
00:14:16.620 the biggest emitter,
00:14:17.900 is the one
00:14:18.840 that's not particularly interested
00:14:20.400 in going along
00:14:21.480 with all these
00:14:22.120 ridiculous alternative
00:14:23.440 energy campaigns.
00:14:25.780 So for the ones
00:14:26.980 who are
00:14:27.540 to turn away
00:14:28.860 a reliable
00:14:29.680 and, by the way,
00:14:30.760 safe and clean
00:14:31.960 source of energy,
00:14:34.440 the hydrocarbon sector,
00:14:36.440 in pursuit
00:14:37.380 of something else,
00:14:39.620 eliminates
00:14:40.200 a competitive advantage
00:14:41.740 that Canada has
00:14:42.740 and, more importantly,
00:14:44.520 sacrifices
00:14:45.240 the jobs,
00:14:46.300 employment,
00:14:46.680 and economic well-being
00:14:47.980 of an entire region,
00:14:49.100 not just Alberta,
00:14:49.880 an entire region
00:14:50.680 and multiple regions
00:14:52.140 in Canada,
00:14:52.900 as a matter of fact.
00:14:54.080 Tomorrow on
00:14:54.840 The Andrew Lawton Show,
00:14:55.640 there's going to be
00:14:56.000 a panel looking
00:14:56.720 at this just transition,
00:14:58.540 something that
00:14:59.020 has significant
00:15:00.140 and wide-reaching
00:15:01.000 implications
00:15:01.600 but has not been
00:15:02.700 getting near the attention
00:15:03.820 it needs
00:15:04.440 from the mainstream media
00:15:05.340 and we've got
00:15:05.760 a great panel
00:15:06.320 of experts.
00:15:07.280 We have Michael Binion
00:15:08.300 from the Modern Miracle Network,
00:15:09.940 Danielle Smith
00:15:10.600 will be on.
00:15:11.480 We've got some folks
00:15:12.260 from the industry,
00:15:13.260 from the sector affected
00:15:14.360 that are going to be
00:15:14.980 speaking about this impact
00:15:16.240 and also to put
00:15:17.860 a positive spin on it,
00:15:19.420 speaking about the work
00:15:20.560 that the energy sector
00:15:21.740 in Canada
00:15:22.240 is already doing
00:15:23.440 that fits
00:15:24.840 what the government
00:15:25.560 says its stated objectives are
00:15:27.420 but you never hear
00:15:28.820 the government
00:15:29.260 supporting these initiatives.
00:15:30.520 They don't want to accept
00:15:31.440 that there could be
00:15:32.220 an industry-led solution.
00:15:34.160 So that's going to be
00:15:34.740 tomorrow on the show
00:15:35.480 but the timing
00:15:36.460 is very good on this
00:15:37.780 and just as an aside
00:15:39.640 before we move on,
00:15:41.040 I want to talk about
00:15:41.880 the implications of this
00:15:42.940 because we still don't have
00:15:44.440 the results
00:15:45.040 of the equalization referendum.
00:15:46.960 This is not something
00:15:47.660 we'll have until the 26th
00:15:49.800 because municipalities
00:15:50.440 have to report their numbers
00:15:51.880 to the province
00:15:52.500 and not the most efficient
00:15:53.920 way of doing things
00:15:54.680 but it is what it is.
00:15:55.820 So all we have
00:15:56.880 are the results
00:15:57.640 that we had on Monday
00:15:58.520 which we're showing
00:15:59.260 at the time
00:15:59.960 in the cities anyway
00:16:00.900 58 to 60% of people
00:16:03.400 supporting taking equalization
00:16:05.780 out of the Constitution.
00:16:08.180 Now as we've talked about
00:16:09.280 this is not a unilateral move.
00:16:10.980 This doesn't mean
00:16:11.620 that it will be removed
00:16:12.940 from the Constitution
00:16:13.760 but it does mean
00:16:15.100 that that many Albertans
00:16:16.460 are not a fan
00:16:18.000 of the status quo.
00:16:20.620 Here's the question.
00:16:21.780 Is this a surrogate
00:16:22.820 for general discontent
00:16:24.260 with federalism?
00:16:25.480 Is this a surrogate
00:16:26.320 for separation
00:16:27.060 or independence?
00:16:28.000 I don't think so
00:16:28.840 because there are a lot
00:16:29.440 of people that want
00:16:30.020 a better deal
00:16:30.680 that don't want separation.
00:16:32.380 That being said
00:16:33.440 there was a Main Street poll
00:16:34.940 commissioned by
00:16:35.860 the Western Standard
00:16:36.860 which showed 45%
00:16:40.400 45% of Albertans
00:16:43.940 want to remain in Canada.
00:16:46.780 40% want to leave.
00:16:50.620 So when I first saw the number
00:16:52.500 40% want independence
00:16:54.940 I'm like well
00:16:55.420 that's you know
00:16:56.240 that's a large enough chunk
00:16:57.340 but then when I saw
00:16:58.200 that 45% were saying
00:17:00.180 yeah we want to remain
00:17:01.400 so that means
00:17:02.300 that the remainder
00:17:03.280 of that
00:17:03.700 the 15%
00:17:04.640 are undecided
00:17:06.200 are not sure
00:17:06.820 which means
00:17:07.220 they could be swayed
00:17:08.200 either way.
00:17:10.500 But 40%
00:17:11.420 so 4 in 10 Albertans
00:17:12.720 and again it's one poll
00:17:13.600 but 4 in 10 Albertans
00:17:14.660 want to be
00:17:15.840 an independent country.
00:17:17.800 Would you support
00:17:18.680 Alberta independence
00:17:19.800 either on its own
00:17:21.420 or along with
00:17:22.740 other Western provinces?
00:17:24.780 It's entirely possible
00:17:26.020 that people are
00:17:26.880 taking independence
00:17:28.100 to mean something
00:17:29.060 other than separation.
00:17:31.360 Certainly the Western Standards
00:17:32.720 interpretation of this
00:17:33.840 is that it's support
00:17:34.760 for making Alberta
00:17:36.160 an independent country
00:17:37.340 but no matter
00:17:38.480 which interpretation
00:17:39.500 you use
00:17:39.980 that's 40%
00:17:40.900 that think
00:17:41.600 that Alberta
00:17:42.160 needs to be
00:17:42.980 a lot more
00:17:43.800 unilateral
00:17:44.520 and independent
00:17:45.280 and autonomous
00:17:45.940 than it is right now
00:17:47.760 perhaps bringing
00:17:48.620 some other Western provinces
00:17:50.260 alongside this campaign.
00:17:53.100 Paul Hinman
00:17:54.040 the leader of the
00:17:54.800 Wildrose Independence Party
00:17:55.920 says this is a tipping point
00:17:57.700 which I don't think
00:17:58.680 anyone can disagree with
00:17:59.900 and the Alberta government
00:18:01.920 the UCP
00:18:02.580 cannot just pussyfoot
00:18:03.560 around this
00:18:04.120 and say
00:18:04.380 well you know
00:18:04.820 we'd like a
00:18:05.340 you know
00:18:05.740 we'd like a little tweak
00:18:06.620 to the equalization
00:18:07.460 referendum
00:18:07.980 because that's not
00:18:08.740 going to be enough
00:18:09.220 to satisfy
00:18:09.980 these concerns
00:18:11.420 and when you have
00:18:12.420 from Jody Gondek
00:18:13.580 in Calgary
00:18:14.180 when you have
00:18:14.720 from the Alberta NDP
00:18:15.780 when you have
00:18:16.440 from the federal liberals
00:18:17.440 an assault
00:18:18.400 on the oil and gas sector
00:18:19.820 which is where
00:18:20.840 again
00:18:21.260 even still
00:18:22.220 the livelihoods
00:18:23.980 of so many Albertans
00:18:25.300 are rooted
00:18:25.960 that number
00:18:27.520 is only
00:18:28.220 going to grow
00:18:29.400 more and more
00:18:30.640 the result of that
00:18:31.660 is necessarily
00:18:32.500 going to be
00:18:33.120 more and more people
00:18:34.160 not feeling like
00:18:34.940 Canada is a home
00:18:35.940 for them
00:18:36.460 we've got to take a break
00:18:37.900 when we come back
00:18:39.020 more of the Andrew Lawton
00:18:40.260 show here on True North
00:18:41.360 stay tuned
00:18:42.000 you're tuned in
00:18:44.780 to the Andrew Lawton show
00:18:46.360 we are back
00:18:49.600 this is the Andrew Lawton show
00:18:51.300 Justin Trudeau's
00:18:52.420 jaunt to Tofino
00:18:53.820 on September 30th
00:18:55.260 the National Day
00:18:56.120 for Truth and Reconciliation
00:18:57.760 is proving to be
00:18:58.800 one of the more
00:18:59.400 expensive
00:18:59.940 vacations he's ever
00:19:01.660 taken
00:19:02.160 not financially
00:19:02.880 he can afford that
00:19:03.860 but in terms of
00:19:05.340 political capital
00:19:06.400 this was an entirely
00:19:08.100 avoidable
00:19:09.040 entirely preventable
00:19:10.340 story
00:19:10.800 if he had just left
00:19:11.860 one day later
00:19:13.640 if he had left
00:19:14.860 on October 1st
00:19:16.000 this would not be
00:19:17.240 a story at all
00:19:18.180 but oh no
00:19:18.800 Justin Trudeau
00:19:19.880 wanted to take advantage
00:19:20.780 of this brand new
00:19:21.800 holiday that he created
00:19:23.040 and go to his
00:19:24.220 favorite beachy
00:19:25.000 destination
00:19:25.560 in Tofino
00:19:26.620 when a global reporter
00:19:28.100 tracked him down
00:19:28.860 he just silently
00:19:29.780 walked along the beach
00:19:31.040 until the RCMP
00:19:32.360 intervened
00:19:33.240 and pulled that
00:19:34.660 pesky reporter away
00:19:35.720 so he couldn't ask
00:19:36.440 questions when Justin
00:19:37.400 Trudeau was trying
00:19:38.540 to enjoy his
00:19:39.300 walk in the sand
00:19:40.440 well Justin Trudeau
00:19:42.100 has tried to
00:19:43.040 make amends now
00:19:44.620 and in doing so
00:19:46.100 has had to get
00:19:46.840 a dressing down
00:19:47.600 from Takamloops
00:19:48.620 Chief
00:19:49.180 Roseanne Casimir
00:19:50.800 this is just a little
00:19:52.580 bit of her
00:19:53.440 statement
00:19:54.000 sitting beside
00:19:54.980 Trudeau
00:19:55.600 who just has to
00:19:56.480 dutifully
00:19:56.880 sit there
00:19:58.020 and listen
00:19:58.660 when we imagined
00:20:01.120 welcoming
00:20:01.940 Prime Minister Trudeau
00:20:03.460 to our community
00:20:04.400 it was envisioned
00:20:06.380 that it would be
00:20:07.320 an opportunity
00:20:08.120 for him to interact
00:20:09.880 with a wide array
00:20:11.240 of survivors
00:20:12.220 intergenerational survivors
00:20:14.020 and many different
00:20:15.840 First Nations
00:20:16.560 as part of
00:20:18.040 September the 30th
00:20:19.280 the first
00:20:20.020 National Day
00:20:20.800 of Truth
00:20:21.300 and Reconciliation
00:20:22.180 Two letters
00:20:24.660 of invitations
00:20:25.820 were sent
00:20:26.960 to his office
00:20:27.860 to participate
00:20:28.900 in our event
00:20:30.020 For us
00:20:31.540 it was to show
00:20:33.000 his commitment
00:20:33.800 to rectifying
00:20:34.760 the historical
00:20:35.540 wrongs
00:20:36.220 of residential school
00:20:37.500 and to grieve
00:20:39.460 with our residential
00:20:40.240 school survivors
00:20:41.280 whether in person
00:20:43.280 or by a virtual
00:20:45.640 pre-recorded greeting
00:20:46.860 and message
00:20:47.820 for all of us here
00:20:48.840 Instead
00:20:50.860 in the middle
00:20:52.200 of truth-telling
00:20:53.140 cultural grounding
00:20:54.640 and sharing
00:20:55.360 that unfolded
00:20:56.260 as part of
00:20:57.180 the commemoration
00:20:57.800 of the very first
00:20:58.640 National Day
00:20:59.180 of Truth
00:20:59.520 and Reconciliation
00:21:00.240 in this arbor
00:21:02.140 a journalist
00:21:03.620 quietly informed us
00:21:05.860 that the Prime Minister
00:21:06.840 Justin Trudeau
00:21:07.680 was on vacation
00:21:09.040 in Tofino
00:21:09.840 The shock
00:21:12.440 anger
00:21:13.700 and sorrow
00:21:15.200 and disbelief
00:21:16.440 was palpable
00:21:17.320 in our community
00:21:18.140 and it rippled
00:21:19.680 throughout the world
00:21:21.120 to say the least
00:21:22.340 Today
00:21:23.920 is about making
00:21:26.080 some positive
00:21:27.120 steps forward
00:21:27.940 and rectifying
00:21:29.380 a mistake
00:21:30.940 Very strong
00:21:32.640 words there
00:21:33.400 she says
00:21:33.900 Instead
00:21:34.240 in the middle
00:21:34.720 of this
00:21:35.120 truth-telling
00:21:35.980 cultural grounding
00:21:37.020 and sharing
00:21:37.720 a journalist
00:21:38.720 came up
00:21:39.320 and told her
00:21:39.980 that Justin Trudeau
00:21:40.960 was on holiday
00:21:41.960 She said
00:21:42.540 her community
00:21:43.140 suffered from
00:21:44.280 shock
00:21:44.820 anger
00:21:45.680 sorrow
00:21:46.380 and disbelief
00:21:48.400 Now
00:21:49.820 even though
00:21:50.780 she was saying
00:21:51.740 this
00:21:52.000 and it looks harsh
00:21:52.780 I'm guessing
00:21:53.540 the Prime Minister's
00:21:54.520 office knew
00:21:55.200 what she was
00:21:56.000 going to say
00:21:56.840 You don't go
00:21:57.960 into a situation
00:21:58.900 like that blind
00:22:00.000 You just don't
00:22:01.040 It's not done
00:22:01.600 in politics
00:22:02.140 But you know
00:22:03.160 what?
00:22:03.380 He still took it
00:22:04.200 And he still
00:22:05.080 says sorry
00:22:05.760 And like the
00:22:07.020 Teflon Trudeau
00:22:07.780 that he is
00:22:08.300 it will all
00:22:08.960 go away
00:22:09.880 That's what
00:22:10.680 happens every
00:22:11.380 single time
00:22:12.080 He screws up
00:22:12.940 gets caught
00:22:13.500 and then
00:22:14.220 apologizes
00:22:15.140 But interestingly
00:22:16.560 enough
00:22:17.040 what Chief
00:22:18.120 Casimir said
00:22:18.880 which I found
00:22:19.900 which I found
00:22:20.900 to be of note
00:22:21.900 is that
00:22:22.540 she would have
00:22:23.140 just taken a
00:22:23.780 video
00:22:24.200 She would
00:22:25.340 like if
00:22:25.820 Justin Trudeau
00:22:26.460 had literally
00:22:26.880 just said
00:22:27.760 okay hang on
00:22:28.580 yeah it's a day
00:22:30.160 for reconciliation
00:22:30.980 you know what
00:22:32.520 yeah I mean
00:22:34.120 we've done some
00:22:34.820 bad stuff
00:22:35.320 okay send
00:22:36.040 alright now
00:22:36.940 let's go survey
00:22:37.580 that would have
00:22:38.080 been fine
00:22:38.660 if he had
00:22:40.260 just phoned
00:22:41.400 it in
00:22:41.960 she would have
00:22:43.260 been okay
00:22:43.660 with that
00:22:44.000 all they wanted
00:22:44.620 was a video
00:22:45.060 all they wanted
00:22:45.540 was something
00:22:46.280 but oh no
00:22:47.900 ignored the
00:22:49.060 invitations
00:22:49.720 despite his
00:22:51.000 pledge to
00:22:51.860 reconcile
00:22:52.520 and then hits
00:22:53.860 the beach
00:22:54.240 now I'm
00:22:55.340 completely happy
00:22:56.860 if Justin Trudeau
00:22:57.700 spends the next
00:22:58.360 four years
00:22:59.040 on a beach
00:22:59.660 believe it or not
00:23:00.380 I do not
00:23:01.180 take issue
00:23:01.660 with the vacation
00:23:02.400 I take issue
00:23:03.160 with the optics
00:23:04.240 and with the
00:23:04.980 hypocrisy
00:23:05.580 the guy who
00:23:06.220 tells us to
00:23:06.840 atone
00:23:07.200 the guy who
00:23:07.680 tells us
00:23:08.160 we need to
00:23:08.580 do better
00:23:09.020 yet he's the
00:23:09.920 one that is
00:23:10.840 apparently most
00:23:11.640 in need of a
00:23:12.520 tongue lashing
00:23:13.300 from the
00:23:14.020 T'Kamlu's chief
00:23:14.900 and his
00:23:15.960 actions on this
00:23:17.420 have been
00:23:17.940 purely window
00:23:19.160 dressing
00:23:19.660 this is the
00:23:20.980 whole frustration
00:23:21.700 with the flag
00:23:22.500 the flag has
00:23:23.340 been at
00:23:24.200 half-mast
00:23:24.920 for almost
00:23:25.760 five months
00:23:27.080 almost five
00:23:28.860 months
00:23:29.040 through Canada
00:23:29.720 Day
00:23:29.980 which incidentally
00:23:31.120 flag protocol
00:23:32.000 says the flag
00:23:32.840 should never be
00:23:33.480 half-mast
00:23:34.040 for
00:23:34.300 so it's
00:23:35.360 been at
00:23:35.720 half-mast
00:23:36.180 for almost
00:23:36.740 five months
00:23:37.380 that's what
00:23:37.760 it'll be
00:23:38.100 on October
00:23:38.840 30th
00:23:39.820 and he won't
00:23:40.760 put it back
00:23:41.220 up
00:23:41.560 he says
00:23:42.200 well it's
00:23:42.800 it's the
00:23:43.140 indigenous
00:23:43.540 community's
00:23:44.300 decision as
00:23:44.880 to when
00:23:45.140 it goes
00:23:45.440 back up
00:23:45.900 and even
00:23:46.640 by the way
00:23:47.560 Chief
00:23:48.280 Casimir
00:23:48.900 seemed to
00:23:49.980 indicate that
00:23:50.520 she doesn't
00:23:51.020 care if
00:23:51.620 the flag
00:23:52.020 is half-mast
00:23:52.720 now
00:23:53.020 Don Martin
00:23:54.000 on CTV
00:23:54.900 tweeted here
00:23:55.600 that it
00:23:56.200 sounds like
00:23:56.620 she wants
00:23:57.040 the flag
00:23:57.500 half-masted
00:23:58.140 on September
00:23:59.140 30th from
00:23:59.840 now on
00:24:00.420 to honor
00:24:01.100 residential
00:24:01.620 school victims
00:24:02.280 but not
00:24:02.760 every day
00:24:03.380 so she's
00:24:04.760 given the
00:24:05.200 license to
00:24:05.820 just raise
00:24:06.720 the flag
00:24:07.140 what's the
00:24:07.600 big problem
00:24:08.220 what's the
00:24:08.640 big deal
00:24:09.100 and I
00:24:10.720 talked about
00:24:11.200 this on
00:24:11.880 Canada Day
00:24:12.760 on the show
00:24:13.540 and I
00:24:14.420 talked about
00:24:14.980 it on
00:24:15.500 Reconciliation
00:24:16.300 Day
00:24:16.940 on the show
00:24:17.860 and my
00:24:18.600 point is
00:24:19.100 that symbols
00:24:19.720 matter
00:24:20.200 when it
00:24:21.340 comes to
00:24:22.060 things that
00:24:22.780 you're doing
00:24:23.220 obviously
00:24:23.600 actions are
00:24:24.460 speaking louder
00:24:25.160 than words
00:24:25.680 and louder
00:24:26.060 than symbols
00:24:26.660 but symbols
00:24:27.680 do matter
00:24:28.500 especially
00:24:29.200 when those
00:24:29.920 symbols are
00:24:30.800 sending the
00:24:31.420 opposite of the
00:24:32.200 message you're
00:24:32.720 trying to
00:24:33.320 and that's
00:24:34.440 what's happening
00:24:34.960 here
00:24:35.280 what Justin
00:24:35.840 Trudeau has
00:24:36.300 done is
00:24:37.160 made it so
00:24:37.740 a flag being
00:24:38.480 at half-mast
00:24:39.240 is literally
00:24:40.200 meaningless
00:24:41.020 he's made it
00:24:42.380 so that a flag
00:24:42.960 at half-mast
00:24:43.560 is something
00:24:43.940 that you
00:24:44.320 ignore
00:24:44.780 it used to
00:24:45.660 be you'd
00:24:46.040 look up
00:24:46.420 and see a
00:24:46.760 flag at half-mast
00:24:47.400 and say oh
00:24:47.740 I wonder
00:24:48.020 what happened
00:24:48.520 today
00:24:48.820 because it
00:24:49.840 was a
00:24:50.160 jarring
00:24:50.480 image
00:24:50.980 now if you
00:24:52.300 see the
00:24:52.560 flag at
00:24:52.960 full-mast
00:24:53.520 you'd be
00:24:53.800 like oh
00:24:54.100 wow
00:24:54.380 something really
00:24:55.460 good must
00:24:55.880 have happened
00:24:56.260 we've earned
00:24:57.000 the right to
00:24:57.580 celebrate
00:24:57.940 we've earned
00:24:58.500 the right to
00:24:59.340 be proud of
00:24:59.860 our country
00:25:00.280 and fly our
00:25:01.040 flag high
00:25:01.740 now incidentally
00:25:04.400 with the throne
00:25:05.620 speech coming up
00:25:06.440 when parliament
00:25:06.960 resumes I
00:25:07.900 wondered if this
00:25:08.580 would mean that
00:25:09.040 the governor
00:25:09.380 general's flag
00:25:10.360 would have to
00:25:10.820 be at half-mast
00:25:11.520 because whenever
00:25:12.060 the governor
00:25:12.880 general is on
00:25:13.680 parliament hill
00:25:14.260 they fly the
00:25:15.180 governor general
00:25:15.880 standard whenever
00:25:17.040 her majesty the
00:25:17.800 queen is on
00:25:18.300 parliament hill
00:25:18.820 they fly the
00:25:19.680 queen's personal
00:25:20.560 flag in Canada
00:25:21.960 and I was
00:25:22.940 wondering does
00:25:23.480 this mean that
00:25:24.080 the governor
00:25:24.460 general's flag
00:25:25.220 would have to
00:25:25.660 be at half-mast
00:25:26.280 these are the
00:25:26.940 questions that
00:25:27.500 keep me up at
00:25:28.100 night and I
00:25:29.160 reached out to
00:25:30.000 Rita Hall and
00:25:30.760 they said no
00:25:31.200 actually the
00:25:31.980 governor general's
00:25:33.060 flag is never at
00:25:34.380 half-mast under any
00:25:35.860 circumstances no
00:25:36.740 matter the location
00:25:37.580 so this half-masting
00:25:38.900 order wouldn't
00:25:39.540 extend to that
00:25:40.700 flag which makes
00:25:41.800 me wonder if
00:25:42.680 Justin Trudeau
00:25:43.280 would lift it
00:25:43.960 before parliament
00:25:45.320 resumes just in
00:25:46.440 case but he's
00:25:47.440 boxed himself in
00:25:48.460 because by saying
00:25:49.720 it's not his
00:25:50.360 decision by saying
00:25:51.940 that he's not the
00:25:52.640 one that gets to
00:25:53.240 make the call
00:25:53.740 he has trapped
00:25:55.140 himself because
00:25:57.220 there will never
00:25:57.940 be a moment when
00:25:58.880 you can say all
00:25:59.720 of the problems
00:26:00.440 with indigenous
00:26:01.020 communities and
00:26:02.280 Canadian relations
00:26:03.320 are solved that
00:26:04.240 point is not going
00:26:05.200 to come certainly
00:26:05.880 not in his time
00:26:07.100 in office so by
00:26:09.400 abdicating this
00:26:10.360 decision he's
00:26:11.240 really made it so
00:26:12.620 that nothing can
00:26:13.640 be done Andrew
00:26:15.100 Potter had a
00:26:15.960 fantastic op-ed in
00:26:17.400 the Globe and
00:26:17.860 Mail about this and
00:26:18.700 he talked about how
00:26:19.880 the symbolism is very
00:26:21.440 relevant here he
00:26:22.980 says it's bad
00:26:23.920 enough that Mr.
00:26:24.660 Trudeau had allowed
00:26:25.680 the flag of Canada
00:26:26.720 to come to
00:26:27.320 symbolize Canada's
00:26:28.460 historic ill
00:26:29.440 treatment of its
00:26:30.100 indigenous peoples
00:26:30.940 but now the
00:26:32.020 prospect of raising
00:26:33.160 them is being held
00:26:34.240 hostage by the
00:26:34.980 Prime Minister's own
00:26:35.780 callousness and
00:26:36.920 indifference this is
00:26:38.400 no way to run a
00:26:39.820 country and that's a
00:26:41.940 tremendous point
00:26:42.600 Justin Trudeau has
00:26:43.460 actually made the
00:26:44.580 Canadian flag something
00:26:46.000 to be ashamed of
00:26:47.100 when that was never
00:26:48.640 its purpose and what
00:26:49.740 Andrew Potter writes
00:26:50.560 about in his column
00:26:51.280 here is that there
00:26:52.380 was in fact a large
00:26:54.280 amount of buy-in by
00:26:56.180 Canadians of the
00:26:57.340 flag because the
00:26:58.900 flag was one of the
00:26:59.680 most recognizable
00:27:00.540 unifying and pride
00:27:02.360 inducing symbols in
00:27:03.540 Canada and now
00:27:05.460 Justin Trudeau has
00:27:06.340 actually changed that
00:27:07.540 he's made it so the
00:27:08.420 flag is something to
00:27:10.040 be ashamed of the
00:27:11.440 flag is something to
00:27:12.260 be embarrassed by and
00:27:15.300 how do you ever raise
00:27:17.020 the flag high and not
00:27:18.880 expect protests and
00:27:20.220 desecration if that's
00:27:21.820 the image of the
00:27:22.400 Canadian flag that
00:27:23.200 you've tried to
00:27:23.800 cement in a
00:27:24.360 generation of young
00:27:25.860 Canadians so it is
00:27:28.660 shameful whenever the
00:27:30.260 flag goes back up it
00:27:31.520 will be too late but
00:27:32.700 still it does in fact
00:27:34.040 need to go back up
00:27:35.320 and before I wrap
00:27:36.740 things up I wanted to
00:27:37.800 share a word or two
00:27:38.980 about this vaccine
00:27:40.320 mandate for members
00:27:42.200 of parliament this is
00:27:43.380 something that again as
00:27:44.300 MPs go back before the
00:27:45.660 House of Commons in the
00:27:47.180 coming days the House
00:27:48.560 of Commons committee of
00:27:50.080 MPs that runs basically
00:27:52.020 how the house will be
00:27:53.160 structured has decided
00:27:54.780 to put in a vaccine
00:27:55.760 mandate you must be
00:27:57.260 vaccinated if you want
00:27:58.360 to enter the grounds of
00:28:00.300 the House of Commons
00:28:01.160 which means if you want
00:28:02.260 to take your seat as an
00:28:03.300 elected MP you have to
00:28:05.440 be fully vaccinated or
00:28:06.780 have a medical exemption
00:28:07.800 and if you have a
00:28:08.500 medical exemption you
00:28:09.880 have to do testing but
00:28:10.920 there's no testing
00:28:11.600 alternative if you just
00:28:13.120 for whatever reason
00:28:13.960 don't want to get
00:28:14.860 vaccinated for moral or
00:28:17.040 religious or just
00:28:18.160 because you don't want
00:28:19.500 to reasons because you
00:28:21.080 don't want to reasons
00:28:21.880 that's a that's the
00:28:22.920 technical term I believe
00:28:23.960 it's on the vaccine
00:28:24.780 certificates the what's
00:28:26.000 your reason don't want
00:28:26.880 to but here's the thing
00:28:28.440 you look at this in the
00:28:30.660 context of what we just
00:28:32.440 went through which was
00:28:33.180 an election voters had
00:28:35.340 the right to ask their
00:28:37.320 candidates whether they
00:28:38.380 were vaccinated or not
00:28:39.480 they had the right to
00:28:40.280 hear what their answer
00:28:41.380 was or what their non
00:28:42.460 answer was and decide
00:28:43.760 does this person deserve
00:28:44.940 to represent me if that's
00:28:46.260 something a voter cares
00:28:47.140 about if a voter cares
00:28:49.060 about an mp's vaccination
00:28:50.300 status they had the
00:28:51.980 right to weigh in so
00:28:54.300 for the house of
00:28:55.520 commons to now put a
00:28:57.300 policy forward that
00:28:58.940 will affect whether
00:29:00.560 these mp's can take
00:29:01.800 their seats is absolutely
00:29:03.760 shameful because the
00:29:06.920 mp's have fulfilled
00:29:08.120 their mandate they
00:29:09.540 fulfilled their
00:29:10.320 prerequisite for showing
00:29:12.060 up in the house of
00:29:13.280 commons which was
00:29:14.080 getting elected by the
00:29:16.560 people they represent
00:29:18.000 not by a group of
00:29:19.920 board of the internal
00:29:20.680 economy mp's sitting
00:29:22.060 behind closed doors
00:29:23.400 which is precisely what
00:29:24.820 happened blake richards
00:29:25.780 who's the conservative
00:29:26.500 whip has said he can't
00:29:27.860 speak about what
00:29:28.440 happened because the
00:29:29.240 meeting was in camera
00:29:30.200 but suffice it to say he
00:29:32.240 thinks this is wrong mp
00:29:33.580 should have a choice
00:29:34.460 vaccination is a
00:29:35.820 personal choice not
00:29:37.240 something that can be
00:29:37.900 imposed by a group of
00:29:39.300 nine in a darkened
00:29:40.380 room the room might have
00:29:42.140 been well lit but you
00:29:42.840 understand the point
00:29:43.640 so when i see something
00:29:46.240 like this i see a
00:29:48.500 subversion of democratic
00:29:50.260 will it's at this point
00:29:52.460 not even clear if mp's
00:29:54.200 will have the hybrid
00:29:55.020 option again it's not
00:29:56.080 clear if mp's will be
00:29:57.540 able to zoom in like
00:29:58.920 they could throughout the
00:30:00.140 last couple of years if
00:30:01.720 they can then the house
00:30:02.860 of commons will say well
00:30:03.780 that's enough of a
00:30:04.500 concession if you don't
00:30:05.300 want to go in you can
00:30:06.060 still do it but right
00:30:07.000 now there's no guarantee
00:30:08.020 that an unvaccinated
00:30:09.080 member of parliament will
00:30:10.380 even be able to sit as a
00:30:12.160 member of parliament until
00:30:13.300 they work this out and
00:30:14.920 again i suspect there
00:30:15.980 will be a hybrid option
00:30:17.220 if only to neutralize the
00:30:19.200 concerns from unvaccinated
00:30:20.880 mp's and we don't know
00:30:22.140 how many there are the
00:30:23.280 liberals the ndp the
00:30:24.480 bloc québécois they've
00:30:25.460 all said our caucuses are
00:30:26.540 fully vaccinated it's the
00:30:28.020 conservatives who say
00:30:29.100 which is i think the
00:30:30.040 right position we don't
00:30:31.500 force it we encourage it
00:30:32.800 it's up to individual mp's
00:30:34.600 to decide what they want
00:30:35.600 to do and if they want to
00:30:37.260 disclose that but anytime
00:30:40.280 you start putting up
00:30:41.320 barriers for when duly
00:30:43.760 elected representatives
00:30:44.700 can take their seats
00:30:45.620 what you are doing is
00:30:46.920 patently undemocratic
00:30:48.640 and as we were speaking
00:30:50.600 about earlier on in the
00:30:52.200 show that interview i did
00:30:53.200 with brian peckford when
00:30:54.220 he talked about what has
00:30:55.040 happened to rights and
00:30:55.940 freedoms coming up on 40
00:30:57.520 years after a group of
00:30:59.100 politicians and lawyers
00:31:00.460 and advocates thought they
00:31:02.020 were definitively
00:31:03.580 cementing rights and
00:31:05.320 freedoms into the canadian
00:31:06.320 consciousness and canadian
00:31:07.900 legal system and now in
00:31:09.740 just a generation and a
00:31:10.760 half those rights are
00:31:11.520 being summarily ignored
00:31:12.480 even in the very house
00:31:14.880 that passed that charter
00:31:16.960 unreal we have to end
00:31:19.400 things there my thanks to
00:31:20.560 you all for tuning in we'll
00:31:21.660 be back tomorrow with a
00:31:23.040 special on the just
00:31:24.260 transition and then a
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00:31:27.700 lawton show coming up
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