Juno News - Calgary’s incoming mayor declares war on energy sector

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.660 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:12.780 Coming up, Calgary's incoming mayor declares war on the oil and gas sector,

00:00:17.640 MPs are facing their own vaccine mandate,

00:00:20.140 and Justin Trudeau gets dressed down into Kamloops.

00:00:24.180 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.440 Hello and welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:34.520 This is the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North, Thursday, October 21st, 2021.

00:00:40.140 My great privilege and pleasure to have you aboard.

00:00:43.080 This is going to be a bit of an interesting show.

00:00:45.760 I'm going to try to cover a few different subject areas here

00:00:48.600 because it's been, despite the fact that Parliament's not sitting,

00:00:51.880 a rather busy week for Canadian politics,

00:00:55.120 certainly as we are getting back into the swing of things.

00:00:57.560 I must say, though, thank you to all of you who have written to me

00:01:01.100 since the earlier episode of the show this week,

00:01:03.520 in which I spoke with former Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Brian Peckford.

00:01:08.180 If you haven't seen this interview, do go and check it.

00:01:10.920 We have it posted on True North's website.

00:01:12.980 You can get it at tnc.news.

00:01:15.840 As we talked to a former Premier,

00:01:17.580 the last surviving member of that club of first ministers

00:01:20.840 who were around when the Charter of Rights and Freedoms was adopted in Canada,

00:01:25.420 and he's saying that the Charter is basically in shreds on the ground

00:01:29.940 and being stomped upon.

00:01:31.880 These are my words, of course.

00:01:33.080 He was far more eloquent in his Newfoundlander way.

00:01:36.480 Stomped on by leaders of governments now,

00:01:39.580 federally and provincially,

00:01:40.960 who push vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, lockdown restrictions.

00:01:45.100 And he's saying this is not what we were calling for

00:01:48.300 when we wanted a Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

00:01:50.400 And in particular, if you're interested in getting into the wonky stuff,

00:01:53.540 his thoughts on Section 1 of the Charter,

00:01:56.400 which is the so-called reasonable limit section,

00:01:59.500 are very fascinating.

00:02:00.860 And he said, yeah, if we knew that was what that was going to be used for,

00:02:04.700 I mean, basically, we wouldn't have signed it,

00:02:06.820 is what I took away from what he said there.

00:02:09.260 But a lot of great feedback.

00:02:10.680 We've gotten people, even from outside of Canada,

00:02:12.600 that are looking at that

00:02:13.540 and seeing that they wish politicians in their own countries

00:02:17.460 were talking like that.

00:02:19.580 So I'm very grateful to all of you who have tuned in,

00:02:21.560 and do watch it if you haven't had a chance yet.

00:02:23.680 I bet we'll be taking clips from that in future shows.

00:02:27.140 I just suspect that this is going to be something

00:02:29.180 that we will end up revisiting several times over.

00:02:32.420 And I've also had a lot of,

00:02:33.560 I mean, sometimes I'll get a guest on

00:02:35.100 and I get more feedback about the guest than about me,

00:02:37.840 which is fine because, you know,

00:02:39.360 I bring them on because they're far better than me usually.

00:02:41.760 But I've had a lot of people that say,

00:02:43.040 you should have Brian Peckford on for a full show.

00:02:45.320 So that might be something we do in the future.

00:02:47.300 Thanks again to all of you for watching that

00:02:50.040 and listening to that.

00:02:51.820 We're going to talk a lot about rights and freedoms

00:02:53.500 later on in the show and about Canadian symbolism,

00:02:56.320 which is something that, believe it or not,

00:02:57.980 does still matter.

00:02:59.160 But I want to first talk about this story out of Alberta.

00:03:03.120 You may remember on Monday night,

00:03:04.720 Alberta had its municipal elections.

00:03:06.540 My colleague Candace Malcolm and I hosted a live show

00:03:09.580 to talk about the referendum,

00:03:11.160 the results in the bigger communities

00:03:13.220 like Calgary and Edmonton.

00:03:14.660 And here's the thing,

00:03:16.760 the Calgary mayor's first order of business

00:03:19.340 has been to give a middle finger

00:03:21.780 to the oil and gas sector

00:03:23.980 that historically has made up

00:03:25.520 the bulk of Alberta's employment

00:03:26.900 and in particular, Calgary's employment.

00:03:29.540 Her first order of business is to say to them,

00:03:32.240 screw you, you don't matter. 1.00

00:03:34.840 This is Calgary mayor-elect Jody Gondek

00:03:38.140 and I believe her first interview

00:03:39.740 after being elected as Calgary's mayor,

00:03:42.480 replacing the head Nenshi,

00:03:43.600 she was sitting down on Real Talk with Ryan Jesperson

00:03:47.160 and she says, ah, you know what?

00:03:49.620 The first order of business,

00:03:51.360 like the very first thing she's going to do,

00:03:54.760 again, the first,

00:03:55.900 not in the hundred days I'm there,

00:03:58.020 we want to get around,

00:03:58.800 the very first thing is to declare

00:04:00.440 a climate emergency.

00:04:03.420 So first order of business,

00:04:05.340 I asked mayor-elect Sohi the same thing,

00:04:07.260 not like a, you know,

00:04:08.840 sort of a nice phone call or something,

00:04:10.500 I'm talking about something you're going to sink your teeth into,

00:04:13.720 something that is mayor-elect Gondek's top priority.

00:04:18.260 What's going to be the first thing across your desk?

00:04:21.320 We have had the opportunity to declare

00:04:24.160 a climate emergency for years.

00:04:27.060 We have had various documents presented to us

00:04:30.260 as a council and I think we've had more than enough time

00:04:32.640 to review them.

00:04:33.340 So let's get serious,

00:04:34.500 let's declare this

00:04:35.400 and let's start going after some of the capital

00:04:37.760 that we will see flow in

00:04:38.980 once we make a bold move like that.

00:04:40.500 It is a bold move

00:04:41.940 and I don't have to tell you about how

00:04:44.000 even a phrase like climate emergency

00:04:47.520 can ripple through a downtown core.

00:04:50.320 Do you have to find a balance

00:04:51.720 as the mayor of a city

00:04:54.020 that's seen itself flourish

00:04:57.740 because of oil and gas revenue?

00:05:00.580 Do you have to be careful about the words you use

00:05:03.480 or are we past that?

00:05:04.680 Do people misunderstand where Calgary

00:05:06.340 and business leaders are at right now?

00:05:09.120 I don't believe that talking about a climate emergency

00:05:12.280 and oil and gas are mutually exclusive ideas.

00:05:16.340 I think as a matter of fact,

00:05:17.500 we've forgotten what we're good at.

00:05:19.420 We are very good at energy production

00:05:20.760 and we are also leaders in innovative ways

00:05:23.620 to practice energy production.

00:05:25.420 We became fixated on that end product being oil and gas.

00:05:28.420 So let's move past the outputs

00:05:31.260 and start talking about the processes again

00:05:33.280 and let's put ourselves on the map

00:05:35.020 as a city that is the absolute leader

00:05:37.860 in a transitioning economy

00:05:39.280 and let's show the world

00:05:40.540 that by using innovation and technology,

00:05:42.840 we can come up with sustainable,

00:05:45.100 greener, cleaner solutions

00:05:46.240 across all of our business sectors.

00:05:48.040 That's the kind of message we need to set.

00:05:50.800 You know, we don't need to be hung up

00:05:52.400 on what it is we're producing.

00:05:53.700 Let's talk about the ways that we get there.

00:05:55.200 Oh yeah, so not only is Mayor Gondek of Calgary

00:05:59.960 going to declare a climate emergency,

00:06:02.400 but also she's insisting Calgarians need to,

00:06:05.560 in her words, move past oil and gas.

00:06:09.880 Move past oil and gas.

00:06:11.600 Can you imagine another jurisdiction in the world

00:06:14.280 that would look the gift horse in the mouth,

00:06:17.180 so to speak, and take their strongest asset,

00:06:20.680 their strongest resource and say,

00:06:22.700 yeah, you know, maybe we just do something else.

00:06:28.440 This would be like the Banff Tourism Board saying,

00:06:31.640 okay, hey guys, just hear me out.

00:06:34.520 Maybe we should do something other than mountain tourism.

00:06:38.540 Maybe we should do, like, forget about the Rockies.

00:06:40.520 What about, oh, what else can we do?

00:06:43.340 I don't know.

00:06:44.500 No, no, no, we don't want to do Rockies.

00:06:46.060 What else do we have?

00:06:47.780 Horseback, can we do horseback riding?

00:06:49.360 Okay, maybe, no, no, no,

00:06:51.200 we're not doing the Rockies, Tom.

00:06:52.740 Stop telling us.

00:06:53.400 No, we're not promoting that.

00:06:55.780 Or Whistler.

00:06:56.780 Okay, we're going to move past skiing.

00:07:00.980 Just hear me out.

00:07:02.080 No, why are you throwing things at me?

00:07:04.260 These are the board meetings I can imagine

00:07:06.460 if you were to be on some tourism board and say,

00:07:09.160 let's just forget about the strongest thing we have

00:07:12.540 that everyone likes.

00:07:13.300 Now, diversification is all well and good.

00:07:15.580 Not putting all your eggs in one basket,

00:07:18.600 as they say, is fine.

00:07:19.980 But there's a difference between proactively diversifying

00:07:23.440 and saying, yeah, there's no reason we can't be a tech hub.

00:07:26.020 There's no reason we can't do these other things.

00:07:28.300 And doing what Mayor Gondek and a lot of these climate alarmists

00:07:31.200 and environmental radicals are saying,

00:07:34.360 which is, let's just ignore it.

00:07:36.500 Let's move away. 0.74

00:07:37.660 Let's actually kick it to the curb.

00:07:39.340 And this is what is becoming the basis,

00:07:42.760 or I'd say has become the basis,

00:07:44.360 of the federal government's climate policy.

00:07:46.540 Justin Trudeau has been touting this so-called

00:07:49.200 just transition away from the energy sector.

00:07:53.020 And they're calling it a just transition

00:07:54.680 because they're trying to insist

00:07:56.680 that there's going to be a soft landing

00:07:58.500 for all of these energy sector workers

00:08:00.680 that they want to put out of a job.

00:08:02.220 No, no, no, we'll transition them to new things.

00:08:04.460 It's Justin Trudeau's nicer way of doing

00:08:06.740 what Joe Biden said a while ago,

00:08:08.280 of basically just learning to code.

00:08:10.260 This is effectively what they're trying to do now.

00:08:14.020 And when you have an ally in Alberta

00:08:16.420 that's passing on that same message,

00:08:19.260 it's going to be bad news

00:08:20.940 for anyone in that sector in Alberta.

00:08:23.500 Now, Brad Wall, the former Premier of Saskatchewan,

00:08:26.400 has said far from Calgary moving past oil and gas,

00:08:29.780 he says it's oil and gas's time to move past Calgary,

00:08:32.820 which I think is a phenomenal point here.

00:08:34.820 He said on Twitter,

00:08:36.520 oil and gas headquartered companies

00:08:38.440 should move past Calgary,

00:08:40.060 look to some other more welcoming cities.

00:08:42.600 Perhaps that would be Regina or Saskatoon.

00:08:45.840 The problem is if you want a more welcoming city

00:08:48.640 for an oil and gas headquarter,

00:08:50.480 you're going to find a lot more support

00:08:52.560 looking down in the US.

00:08:54.280 This is why we've seen this exodus of this sector

00:08:57.220 to greener pastures on the other side of the border,

00:09:00.000 because they're getting a welcoming government there,

00:09:02.800 less regulation.

00:09:03.820 They're getting more than they can get up here,

00:09:06.340 because we have, instead of a government

00:09:08.100 that is trying to support the sector,

00:09:10.580 a government that is actively trying to take it out

00:09:12.880 to the woodshed and execute it.

00:09:15.400 And the fact that the first order of business

00:09:17.560 for the incoming mayor of Calgary

00:09:19.080 is to assist that process,

00:09:21.560 I mean, even Rachel Notley

00:09:23.400 wasn't going to be that bold

00:09:25.260 to say, yeah, you know,

00:09:27.080 I mean, her policies spoke for themselves,

00:09:28.860 but her language was not that bold.

00:09:30.780 Her language was not that clear.

00:09:32.080 She at least understood that, yeah, you know,

00:09:34.060 maybe it doesn't send a good message to Albertans

00:09:36.100 to talk about me wanting to sign

00:09:38.120 a death warrant on their jobs.

00:09:39.900 And if you think I'm using extreme rhetoric,

00:09:41.720 well, this is, I think,

00:09:42.840 very much matching with the tone

00:09:44.960 of these politicians like Mayor-elect Gondek.

00:09:48.400 And she's not alone in this.

00:09:50.280 She's just one notable example of this.

00:09:53.280 And this is why we were talking about this

00:09:55.300 on the live show on Monday.

00:09:57.200 How does a city like Calgary,

00:09:58.780 which is just a sea of blue,

00:10:00.180 for the most part, federally and provincially,

00:10:02.960 elect all these people municipally?

00:10:05.300 And in a lot of cases,

00:10:06.620 it's because these municipal folks

00:10:08.680 don't show their true colors

00:10:10.200 until they get elected sometime.

00:10:12.620 Here's a clip from Councillor Gondek

00:10:15.160 a few years ago,

00:10:16.160 in which the oil and gas sector

00:10:17.700 is like the greatest thing since sliced bread.

00:10:20.200 Because I'm a Canadian

00:10:21.400 and a public servant at the city of Calgary,

00:10:23.860 I support Canada's oil and gas sector.

00:10:26.420 Why?

00:10:26.720 Because Canada's oil and gas firms

00:10:29.280 have repeatedly demonstrated leadership

00:10:31.400 on a global stage,

00:10:33.100 whether through innovations in technology

00:10:35.280 that minimize impact to the environment

00:10:37.360 or unmatched standards

00:10:39.120 in health and safety practices.

00:10:41.200 That's not empty rhetoric.

00:10:43.140 It's rooted in research and review.

00:10:45.820 Rankings like Transparency International

00:10:47.740 and the Jancy Social Index

00:10:49.740 review global corporations

00:10:51.500 for their triple bottom line performance.

00:10:54.040 And Canadian energy producers

00:10:55.540 continue to outperform other nations

00:10:57.740 for one simple reason.

00:10:59.940 Our companies are valued

00:11:01.180 because they lead with their values.

00:11:03.880 My name is Jyothi Gondek,

00:11:05.440 City Councillor for Ward 3.

00:11:07.280 I'm taking action for Canada's future

00:11:09.260 because our national economy

00:11:11.040 depends on Canadians advocating

00:11:13.120 for our leadership

00:11:14.240 in energy-based

00:11:15.760 corporate social responsibility.

00:11:18.000 Please join the movement

00:11:19.160 and spread the word.

00:11:20.680 Share this video

00:11:21.400 and let your friends know

00:11:22.560 that the city of Calgary

00:11:23.840 is unified

00:11:24.380 in supporting our energy sector.

00:11:27.120 We are YYC Proud.

00:11:28.540 So there you go.

00:11:32.040 Which is the authentic Gondek?

00:11:33.520 I suspect the one now

00:11:35.140 is probably more authentic.

00:11:36.840 But even then,

00:11:37.680 if she's just going to say

00:11:38.680 what she needs to say

00:11:39.620 to get elected in the moment

00:11:40.920 and keep support

00:11:42.160 from whatever constituency

00:11:43.140 she wants in the moment,

00:11:44.720 I don't really think

00:11:45.720 she's all that useful

00:11:46.740 to anyone anyway.

00:11:49.180 But now Calgary's mayor

00:11:50.560 is an enemy of the sector

00:11:52.900 on which Calgary's economy,

00:11:54.680 generally speaking, relies.

00:11:56.520 And this is something unique

00:11:58.000 to Canada.

00:11:59.080 You know how we often hear

00:12:00.000 this expression

00:12:00.640 from the woke left now,

00:12:02.180 check your privilege.

00:12:03.520 Well, I would say the same thing

00:12:04.880 to a lot of these folks.

00:12:05.920 Check your privilege.

00:12:07.000 Elsewhere in the world,

00:12:08.240 countries would kill

00:12:09.640 to have the resource richness

00:12:11.900 that Canada has,

00:12:13.580 that Alberta has,

00:12:14.620 specifically that Calgary has,

00:12:16.460 insofar as being

00:12:17.680 the economic hub

00:12:18.700 for this resource is concerned.

00:12:21.240 And just look,

00:12:21.920 this is an article from BBC

00:12:23.540 just one day ago.

00:12:25.380 Fossil fuel production

00:12:26.660 is set to soar

00:12:27.980 over the next decade.

00:12:30.040 Now, the tone of this article

00:12:31.220 is that it's bad news

00:12:32.260 for all of these countries

00:12:33.640 that are about to meet

00:12:34.460 in Glasgow, Scotland

00:12:35.600 for the UN's climate summit

00:12:37.220 for COP26.

00:12:38.700 And they're all concerned

00:12:39.880 that, oh, well,

00:12:40.440 you know,

00:12:40.660 all these countries

00:12:41.340 want to keep global warming

00:12:42.800 down to 1.5 degrees

00:12:44.220 and reduce production,

00:12:45.160 but it looks like

00:12:46.180 fossil fuel production

00:12:47.200 is on the rise.

00:12:49.480 So if you have in Canada

00:12:51.440 environmental activists

00:12:53.380 that are succeeding

00:12:54.160 in getting a foothold

00:12:55.200 in government

00:12:55.740 and turning away from this,

00:12:58.260 well, everyone else

00:12:59.280 in the world

00:12:59.720 is ignoring their commitment.

00:13:01.220 Everyone else in the world

00:13:02.000 is ignoring what they say

00:13:03.240 is their moral obligation,

00:13:05.060 their moral duty,

00:13:05.920 the Greta Thunberg approach

00:13:07.040 to public policy.

00:13:08.320 And Canada is going

00:13:09.940 to be saying,

00:13:10.440 well, you know,

00:13:10.800 we got to find solar panels

00:13:12.280 and, well, okay,

00:13:14.160 maybe some wind farms

00:13:15.160 or something like that.

00:13:16.160 Like, but the reality is

00:13:18.080 no one else

00:13:19.740 is doing anything

00:13:21.400 about this.

00:13:23.260 If you want to look

00:13:24.140 at the countries

00:13:24.820 who are the big emitters,

00:13:27.400 China is likely 0.99

00:13:29.100 not even going to be

00:13:30.540 at COP with a full delegation,

00:13:32.380 even though everyone's

00:13:34.360 been trying to kiss the ring,

00:13:35.380 especially John Kerry

00:13:36.360 in the U.S.

00:13:37.560 John Kerry,

00:13:38.380 the climate envoy,

00:13:39.280 has been saying,

00:13:39.860 ah, yes,

00:13:40.180 China's going to be 1.00

00:13:40.760 our partner in climate.

00:13:42.140 Antony Blinken,

00:13:42.960 the U.S. Secretary of State,

00:13:44.300 has said, yes,

00:13:44.880 we're reaching across the aisle.

00:13:46.300 China's going to be 1.00

00:13:46.920 our partner

00:13:47.380 in fighting climate change.

00:13:48.820 And just this week,

00:13:50.300 Chairman Xi

00:13:51.040 is still not confirmed

00:13:52.800 that he's going to be there.

00:13:53.960 More and more reports

00:13:54.960 suggesting that the head

00:13:56.760 of the Chinese delegation

00:13:58.100 will not be,

00:13:59.060 like for every other country,

00:14:00.720 the head of state

00:14:01.880 or the head of government.

00:14:03.140 So Chairman Xi

00:14:04.280 is not even going to be there.

00:14:05.200 All of these countries

00:14:05.980 around the world

00:14:06.740 have been trying

00:14:07.740 to kiss the ring,

00:14:08.620 trying to say,

00:14:09.220 well, we don't want

00:14:09.700 to rock the boat.

00:14:10.480 We're going to work with them.

00:14:11.540 And China's just like, 0.99

00:14:12.600 yeah, whatever.

00:14:14.180 And China, 0.79

00:14:14.940 which is the greatest emitter,

00:14:16.620 the biggest emitter,

00:14:17.900 is the one

00:14:18.840 that's not particularly interested

00:14:20.400 in going along

00:14:21.480 with all these

00:14:22.120 ridiculous alternative

00:14:23.440 energy campaigns.

00:14:25.780 So for the ones

00:14:26.980 who are

00:14:27.540 to turn away

00:14:28.860 a reliable

00:14:29.680 and, by the way,

00:14:30.760 safe and clean

00:14:31.960 source of energy,

00:14:34.440 the hydrocarbon sector,

00:14:36.440 in pursuit

00:14:37.380 of something else,

00:14:39.620 eliminates

00:14:40.200 a competitive advantage

00:14:41.740 that Canada has

00:14:42.740 and, more importantly,

00:14:44.520 sacrifices

00:14:45.240 the jobs,

00:14:46.300 employment,

00:14:46.680 and economic well-being

00:14:47.980 of an entire region,

00:14:49.100 not just Alberta,

00:14:49.880 an entire region

00:14:50.680 and multiple regions

00:14:52.140 in Canada,

00:14:52.900 as a matter of fact.

00:14:54.080 Tomorrow on

00:14:54.840 The Andrew Lawton Show,

00:14:55.640 there's going to be

00:14:56.000 a panel looking

00:14:56.720 at this just transition,

00:14:58.540 something that

00:14:59.020 has significant

00:15:00.140 and wide-reaching

00:15:01.000 implications

00:15:01.600 but has not been

00:15:02.700 getting near the attention

00:15:03.820 it needs

00:15:04.440 from the mainstream media

00:15:05.340 and we've got

00:15:05.760 a great panel

00:15:06.320 of experts.

00:15:07.280 We have Michael Binion

00:15:08.300 from the Modern Miracle Network,

00:15:09.940 Danielle Smith

00:15:10.600 will be on.

00:15:11.480 We've got some folks

00:15:12.260 from the industry,

00:15:13.260 from the sector affected

00:15:14.360 that are going to be

00:15:14.980 speaking about this impact

00:15:16.240 and also to put

00:15:17.860 a positive spin on it,

00:15:19.420 speaking about the work

00:15:20.560 that the energy sector

00:15:21.740 in Canada

00:15:22.240 is already doing

00:15:23.440 that fits

00:15:24.840 what the government

00:15:25.560 says its stated objectives are

00:15:27.420 but you never hear

00:15:28.820 the government

00:15:29.260 supporting these initiatives.

00:15:30.520 They don't want to accept

00:15:31.440 that there could be

00:15:32.220 an industry-led solution.

00:15:34.160 So that's going to be

00:15:34.740 tomorrow on the show

00:15:35.480 but the timing

00:15:36.460 is very good on this

00:15:37.780 and just as an aside

00:15:39.640 before we move on,

00:15:41.040 I want to talk about

00:15:41.880 the implications of this

00:15:42.940 because we still don't have

00:15:44.440 the results

00:15:45.040 of the equalization referendum.

00:15:46.960 This is not something

00:15:47.660 we'll have until the 26th

00:15:49.800 because municipalities

00:15:50.440 have to report their numbers

00:15:51.880 to the province

00:15:52.500 and not the most efficient

00:15:53.920 way of doing things

00:15:54.680 but it is what it is.

00:15:55.820 So all we have

00:15:56.880 are the results

00:15:57.640 that we had on Monday

00:15:58.520 which we're showing

00:15:59.260 at the time

00:15:59.960 in the cities anyway

00:16:00.900 58 to 60% of people

00:16:03.400 supporting taking equalization

00:16:05.780 out of the Constitution.

00:16:08.180 Now as we've talked about

00:16:09.280 this is not a unilateral move.

00:16:10.980 This doesn't mean

00:16:11.620 that it will be removed

00:16:12.940 from the Constitution

00:16:13.760 but it does mean

00:16:15.100 that that many Albertans

00:16:16.460 are not a fan

00:16:18.000 of the status quo.

00:16:20.620 Here's the question.

00:16:21.780 Is this a surrogate

00:16:22.820 for general discontent

00:16:24.260 with federalism?

00:16:25.480 Is this a surrogate

00:16:26.320 for separation

00:16:27.060 or independence?

00:16:28.000 I don't think so

00:16:28.840 because there are a lot

00:16:29.440 of people that want

00:16:30.020 a better deal

00:16:30.680 that don't want separation.

00:16:32.380 That being said

00:16:33.440 there was a Main Street poll

00:16:34.940 commissioned by

00:16:35.860 the Western Standard

00:16:36.860 which showed 45%

00:16:40.400 45% of Albertans

00:16:43.940 want to remain in Canada.

00:16:46.780 40% want to leave.

00:16:50.620 So when I first saw the number

00:16:52.500 40% want independence

00:16:54.940 I'm like well

00:16:55.420 that's you know

00:16:56.240 that's a large enough chunk

00:16:57.340 but then when I saw

00:16:58.200 that 45% were saying

00:17:00.180 yeah we want to remain

00:17:01.400 so that means

00:17:02.300 that the remainder

00:17:03.280 of that

00:17:03.700 the 15% 0.99

00:17:04.640 are undecided

00:17:06.200 are not sure

00:17:06.820 which means

00:17:07.220 they could be swayed

00:17:08.200 either way.

00:17:10.500 But 40%

00:17:11.420 so 4 in 10 Albertans

00:17:12.720 and again it's one poll

00:17:13.600 but 4 in 10 Albertans

00:17:14.660 want to be

00:17:15.840 an independent country.

00:17:17.800 Would you support

00:17:18.680 Alberta independence

00:17:19.800 either on its own

00:17:21.420 or along with

00:17:22.740 other Western provinces?

00:17:24.780 It's entirely possible

00:17:26.020 that people are

00:17:26.880 taking independence

00:17:28.100 to mean something

00:17:29.060 other than separation.

00:17:31.360 Certainly the Western Standards

00:17:32.720 interpretation of this

00:17:33.840 is that it's support

00:17:34.760 for making Alberta

00:17:36.160 an independent country

00:17:37.340 but no matter

00:17:38.480 which interpretation

00:17:39.500 you use

00:17:39.980 that's 40%

00:17:40.900 that think

00:17:41.600 that Alberta

00:17:42.160 needs to be

00:17:42.980 a lot more

00:17:43.800 unilateral

00:17:44.520 and independent

00:17:45.280 and autonomous

00:17:45.940 than it is right now

00:17:47.760 perhaps bringing

00:17:48.620 some other Western provinces

00:17:50.260 alongside this campaign.

00:17:53.100 Paul Hinman

00:17:54.040 the leader of the

00:17:54.800 Wildrose Independence Party

00:17:55.920 says this is a tipping point

00:17:57.700 which I don't think

00:17:58.680 anyone can disagree with

00:17:59.900 and the Alberta government

00:18:01.920 the UCP

00:18:02.580 cannot just pussyfoot

00:18:03.560 around this

00:18:04.120 and say

00:18:04.380 well you know

00:18:04.820 we'd like a

00:18:05.340 you know

00:18:05.740 we'd like a little tweak

00:18:06.620 to the equalization

00:18:07.460 referendum

00:18:07.980 because that's not

00:18:08.740 going to be enough

00:18:09.220 to satisfy

00:18:09.980 these concerns

00:18:11.420 and when you have

00:18:12.420 from Jody Gondek

00:18:13.580 in Calgary

00:18:14.180 when you have

00:18:14.720 from the Alberta NDP

00:18:15.780 when you have

00:18:16.440 from the federal liberals

00:18:17.440 an assault

00:18:18.400 on the oil and gas sector

00:18:19.820 which is where

00:18:20.840 again

00:18:21.260 even still

00:18:22.220 the livelihoods

00:18:23.980 of so many Albertans

00:18:25.300 are rooted

00:18:25.960 that number

00:18:27.520 is only

00:18:28.220 going to grow

00:18:29.400 more and more

00:18:30.640 the result of that

00:18:31.660 is necessarily

00:18:32.500 going to be

00:18:33.120 more and more people

00:18:34.160 not feeling like

00:18:34.940 Canada is a home

00:18:35.940 for them

00:18:36.460 we've got to take a break

00:18:37.900 when we come back

00:18:39.020 more of the Andrew Lawton

00:18:40.260 show here on True North

00:18:41.360 stay tuned

00:18:42.000 you're tuned in

00:18:44.780 to the Andrew Lawton show

00:18:46.360 we are back

00:18:49.600 this is the Andrew Lawton show

00:18:51.300 Justin Trudeau's

00:18:52.420 jaunt to Tofino

00:18:53.820 on September 30th

00:18:55.260 the National Day

00:18:56.120 for Truth and Reconciliation

00:18:57.760 is proving to be

00:18:58.800 one of the more

00:18:59.400 expensive

00:18:59.940 vacations he's ever

00:19:01.660 taken

00:19:02.160 not financially

00:19:02.880 he can afford that

00:19:03.860 but in terms of

00:19:05.340 political capital

00:19:06.400 this was an entirely

00:19:08.100 avoidable

00:19:09.040 entirely preventable

00:19:10.340 story

00:19:10.800 if he had just left

00:19:11.860 one day later

00:19:13.640 if he had left

00:19:14.860 on October 1st

00:19:16.000 this would not be

00:19:17.240 a story at all

00:19:18.180 but oh no

00:19:18.800 Justin Trudeau

00:19:19.880 wanted to take advantage

00:19:20.780 of this brand new

00:19:21.800 holiday that he created

00:19:23.040 and go to his

00:19:24.220 favorite beachy

00:19:25.000 destination

00:19:25.560 in Tofino

00:19:26.620 when a global reporter

00:19:28.100 tracked him down

00:19:28.860 he just silently

00:19:29.780 walked along the beach

00:19:31.040 until the RCMP

00:19:32.360 intervened

00:19:33.240 and pulled that

00:19:34.660 pesky reporter away

00:19:35.720 so he couldn't ask

00:19:36.440 questions when Justin

00:19:37.400 Trudeau was trying

00:19:38.540 to enjoy his

00:19:39.300 walk in the sand

00:19:40.440 well Justin Trudeau

00:19:42.100 has tried to

00:19:43.040 make amends now

00:19:44.620 and in doing so

00:19:46.100 has had to get

00:19:46.840 a dressing down

00:19:47.600 from Takamloops

00:19:48.620 Chief

00:19:49.180 Roseanne Casimir

00:19:50.800 this is just a little

00:19:52.580 bit of her

00:19:53.440 statement

00:19:54.000 sitting beside

00:19:54.980 Trudeau

00:19:55.600 who just has to

00:19:56.480 dutifully

00:19:56.880 sit there

00:19:58.020 and listen

00:19:58.660 when we imagined

00:20:01.120 welcoming

00:20:01.940 Prime Minister Trudeau

00:20:03.460 to our community

00:20:04.400 it was envisioned

00:20:06.380 that it would be

00:20:07.320 an opportunity

00:20:08.120 for him to interact

00:20:09.880 with a wide array

00:20:11.240 of survivors

00:20:12.220 intergenerational survivors

00:20:14.020 and many different

00:20:15.840 First Nations

00:20:16.560 as part of

00:20:18.040 September the 30th

00:20:19.280 the first

00:20:20.020 National Day

00:20:20.800 of Truth

00:20:21.300 and Reconciliation

00:20:22.180 Two letters

00:20:24.660 of invitations

00:20:25.820 were sent

00:20:26.960 to his office

00:20:27.860 to participate

00:20:28.900 in our event

00:20:30.020 For us

00:20:31.540 it was to show

00:20:33.000 his commitment

00:20:33.800 to rectifying

00:20:34.760 the historical

00:20:35.540 wrongs 0.77

00:20:36.220 of residential school

00:20:37.500 and to grieve

00:20:39.460 with our residential

00:20:40.240 school survivors

00:20:41.280 whether in person

00:20:43.280 or by a virtual

00:20:45.640 pre-recorded greeting

00:20:46.860 and message

00:20:47.820 for all of us here

00:20:48.840 Instead

00:20:50.860 in the middle

00:20:52.200 of truth-telling

00:20:53.140 cultural grounding

00:20:54.640 and sharing

00:20:55.360 that unfolded

00:20:56.260 as part of

00:20:57.180 the commemoration

00:20:57.800 of the very first

00:20:58.640 National Day

00:20:59.180 of Truth

00:20:59.520 and Reconciliation

00:21:00.240 in this arbor

00:21:02.140 a journalist

00:21:03.620 quietly informed us

00:21:05.860 that the Prime Minister

00:21:06.840 Justin Trudeau

00:21:07.680 was on vacation

00:21:09.040 in Tofino

00:21:09.840 The shock

00:21:12.440 anger

00:21:13.700 and sorrow

00:21:15.200 and disbelief

00:21:16.440 was palpable

00:21:17.320 in our community

00:21:18.140 and it rippled

00:21:19.680 throughout the world

00:21:21.120 to say the least

00:21:22.340 Today

00:21:23.920 is about making

00:21:26.080 some positive

00:21:27.120 steps forward

00:21:27.940 and rectifying

00:21:29.380 a mistake

00:21:30.940 Very strong

00:21:32.640 words there

00:21:33.400 she says

00:21:33.900 Instead

00:21:34.240 in the middle

00:21:34.720 of this

00:21:35.120 truth-telling

00:21:35.980 cultural grounding

00:21:37.020 and sharing

00:21:37.720 a journalist

00:21:38.720 came up

00:21:39.320 and told her

00:21:39.980 that Justin Trudeau

00:21:40.960 was on holiday

00:21:41.960 She said

00:21:42.540 her community

00:21:43.140 suffered from

00:21:44.280 shock

00:21:44.820 anger

00:21:45.680 sorrow

00:21:46.380 and disbelief

00:21:48.400 Now

00:21:49.820 even though

00:21:50.780 she was saying

00:21:51.740 this

00:21:52.000 and it looks harsh

00:21:52.780 I'm guessing

00:21:53.540 the Prime Minister's

00:21:54.520 office knew

00:21:55.200 what she was

00:21:56.000 going to say

00:21:56.840 You don't go

00:21:57.960 into a situation

00:21:58.900 like that blind

00:22:00.000 You just don't

00:22:01.040 It's not done

00:22:01.600 in politics

00:22:02.140 But you know

00:22:03.160 what?

00:22:03.380 He still took it

00:22:04.200 And he still

00:22:05.080 says sorry

00:22:05.760 And like the

00:22:07.020 Teflon Trudeau

00:22:07.780 that he is

00:22:08.300 it will all

00:22:08.960 go away

00:22:09.880 That's what

00:22:10.680 happens every

00:22:11.380 single time

00:22:12.080 He screws up

00:22:12.940 gets caught

00:22:13.500 and then

00:22:14.220 apologizes

00:22:15.140 But interestingly

00:22:16.560 enough

00:22:17.040 what Chief

00:22:18.120 Casimir said

00:22:18.880 which I found

00:22:19.900 which I found

00:22:20.900 to be of note

00:22:21.900 is that

00:22:22.540 she would have

00:22:23.140 just taken a

00:22:23.780 video

00:22:24.200 She would

00:22:25.340 like if

00:22:25.820 Justin Trudeau

00:22:26.460 had literally

00:22:26.880 just said

00:22:27.760 okay hang on

00:22:28.580 yeah it's a day

00:22:30.160 for reconciliation

00:22:30.980 you know what

00:22:32.520 yeah I mean

00:22:34.120 we've done some

00:22:34.820 bad stuff

00:22:35.320 okay send

00:22:36.040 alright now

00:22:36.940 let's go survey

00:22:37.580 that would have

00:22:38.080 been fine

00:22:38.660 if he had

00:22:40.260 just phoned

00:22:41.400 it in

00:22:41.960 she would have

00:22:43.260 been okay

00:22:43.660 with that

00:22:44.000 all they wanted

00:22:44.620 was a video

00:22:45.060 all they wanted

00:22:45.540 was something

00:22:46.280 but oh no

00:22:47.900 ignored the

00:22:49.060 invitations

00:22:49.720 despite his

00:22:51.000 pledge to

00:22:51.860 reconcile

00:22:52.520 and then hits

00:22:53.860 the beach

00:22:54.240 now I'm

00:22:55.340 completely happy

00:22:56.860 if Justin Trudeau

00:22:57.700 spends the next

00:22:58.360 four years

00:22:59.040 on a beach

00:22:59.660 believe it or not

00:23:00.380 I do not

00:23:01.180 take issue

00:23:01.660 with the vacation

00:23:02.400 I take issue

00:23:03.160 with the optics

00:23:04.240 and with the

00:23:04.980 hypocrisy

00:23:05.580 the guy who

00:23:06.220 tells us to

00:23:06.840 atone

00:23:07.200 the guy who

00:23:07.680 tells us

00:23:08.160 we need to

00:23:08.580 do better

00:23:09.020 yet he's the

00:23:09.920 one that is

00:23:10.840 apparently most

00:23:11.640 in need of a

00:23:12.520 tongue lashing

00:23:13.300 from the

00:23:14.020 T'Kamlu's chief

00:23:14.900 and his

00:23:15.960 actions on this

00:23:17.420 have been

00:23:17.940 purely window

00:23:19.160 dressing

00:23:19.660 this is the

00:23:20.980 whole frustration

00:23:21.700 with the flag

00:23:22.500 the flag has

00:23:23.340 been at

00:23:24.200 half-mast

00:23:24.920 for almost

00:23:25.760 five months

00:23:27.080 almost five

00:23:28.860 months

00:23:29.040 through Canada

00:23:29.720 Day

00:23:29.980 which incidentally

00:23:31.120 flag protocol

00:23:32.000 says the flag

00:23:32.840 should never be

00:23:33.480 half-mast

00:23:34.040 for

00:23:34.300 so it's

00:23:35.360 been at

00:23:35.720 half-mast

00:23:36.180 for almost

00:23:36.740 five months

00:23:37.380 that's what

00:23:37.760 it'll be

00:23:38.100 on October

00:23:38.840 30th

00:23:39.820 and he won't

00:23:40.760 put it back

00:23:41.220 up

00:23:41.560 he says

00:23:42.200 well it's

00:23:42.800 it's the

00:23:43.140 indigenous

00:23:43.540 community's

00:23:44.300 decision as

00:23:44.880 to when

00:23:45.140 it goes

00:23:45.440 back up

00:23:45.900 and even

00:23:46.640 by the way

00:23:47.560 Chief

00:23:48.280 Casimir

00:23:48.900 seemed to

00:23:49.980 indicate that

00:23:50.520 she doesn't

00:23:51.020 care if

00:23:51.620 the flag

00:23:52.020 is half-mast

00:23:52.720 now

00:23:53.020 Don Martin

00:23:54.000 on CTV

00:23:54.900 tweeted here

00:23:55.600 that it

00:23:56.200 sounds like

00:23:56.620 she wants 0.85

00:23:57.040 the flag

00:23:57.500 half-masted

00:23:58.140 on September

00:23:59.140 30th from

00:23:59.840 now on

00:24:00.420 to honor

00:24:01.100 residential

00:24:01.620 school victims

00:24:02.280 but not

00:24:02.760 every day

00:24:03.380 so she's

00:24:04.760 given the

00:24:05.200 license to

00:24:05.820 just raise

00:24:06.720 the flag

00:24:07.140 what's the

00:24:07.600 big problem

00:24:08.220 what's the

00:24:08.640 big deal

00:24:09.100 and I

00:24:10.720 talked about

00:24:11.200 this on

00:24:11.880 Canada Day

00:24:12.760 on the show

00:24:13.540 and I

00:24:14.420 talked about

00:24:14.980 it on

00:24:15.500 Reconciliation

00:24:16.300 Day

00:24:16.940 on the show

00:24:17.860 and my

00:24:18.600 point is

00:24:19.100 that symbols

00:24:19.720 matter

00:24:20.200 when it

00:24:21.340 comes to

00:24:22.060 things that

00:24:22.780 you're doing

00:24:23.220 obviously

00:24:23.600 actions are

00:24:24.460 speaking louder

00:24:25.160 than words

00:24:25.680 and louder

00:24:26.060 than symbols

00:24:26.660 but symbols

00:24:27.680 do matter

00:24:28.500 especially

00:24:29.200 when those

00:24:29.920 symbols are

00:24:30.800 sending the

00:24:31.420 opposite of the

00:24:32.200 message you're

00:24:32.720 trying to

00:24:33.320 and that's

00:24:34.440 what's happening

00:24:34.960 here

00:24:35.280 what Justin

00:24:35.840 Trudeau has

00:24:36.300 done is

00:24:37.160 made it so

00:24:37.740 a flag being

00:24:38.480 at half-mast

00:24:39.240 is literally

00:24:40.200 meaningless

00:24:41.020 he's made it

00:24:42.380 so that a flag

00:24:42.960 at half-mast

00:24:43.560 is something

00:24:43.940 that you

00:24:44.320 ignore

00:24:44.780 it used to

00:24:45.660 be you'd

00:24:46.040 look up

00:24:46.420 and see a

00:24:46.760 flag at half-mast

00:24:47.400 and say oh

00:24:47.740 I wonder

00:24:48.020 what happened

00:24:48.520 today

00:24:48.820 because it

00:24:49.840 was a

00:24:50.160 jarring

00:24:50.480 image

00:24:50.980 now if you

00:24:52.300 see the

00:24:52.560 flag at

00:24:52.960 full-mast

00:24:53.520 you'd be

00:24:53.800 like oh

00:24:54.100 wow

00:24:54.380 something really

00:24:55.460 good must

00:24:55.880 have happened

00:24:56.260 we've earned

00:24:57.000 the right to

00:24:57.580 celebrate

00:24:57.940 we've earned

00:24:58.500 the right to

00:24:59.340 be proud of

00:24:59.860 our country

00:25:00.280 and fly our

00:25:01.040 flag high

00:25:01.740 now incidentally

00:25:04.400 with the throne

00:25:05.620 speech coming up

00:25:06.440 when parliament

00:25:06.960 resumes I

00:25:07.900 wondered if this

00:25:08.580 would mean that

00:25:09.040 the governor

00:25:09.380 general's flag

00:25:10.360 would have to

00:25:10.820 be at half-mast

00:25:11.520 because whenever

00:25:12.060 the governor

00:25:12.880 general is on

00:25:13.680 parliament hill

00:25:14.260 they fly the

00:25:15.180 governor general

00:25:15.880 standard whenever

00:25:17.040 her majesty the

00:25:17.800 queen is on 0.55

00:25:18.300 parliament hill

00:25:18.820 they fly the

00:25:19.680 queen's personal

00:25:20.560 flag in Canada

00:25:21.960 and I was

00:25:22.940 wondering does

00:25:23.480 this mean that

00:25:24.080 the governor

00:25:24.460 general's flag

00:25:25.220 would have to

00:25:25.660 be at half-mast

00:25:26.280 these are the

00:25:26.940 questions that

00:25:27.500 keep me up at

00:25:28.100 night and I

00:25:29.160 reached out to

00:25:30.000 Rita Hall and

00:25:30.760 they said no

00:25:31.200 actually the

00:25:31.980 governor general's

00:25:33.060 flag is never at

00:25:34.380 half-mast under any

00:25:35.860 circumstances no

00:25:36.740 matter the location

00:25:37.580 so this half-masting

00:25:38.900 order wouldn't

00:25:39.540 extend to that

00:25:40.700 flag which makes

00:25:41.800 me wonder if

00:25:42.680 Justin Trudeau

00:25:43.280 would lift it

00:25:43.960 before parliament

00:25:45.320 resumes just in

00:25:46.440 case but he's

00:25:47.440 boxed himself in

00:25:48.460 because by saying

00:25:49.720 it's not his

00:25:50.360 decision by saying

00:25:51.940 that he's not the

00:25:52.640 one that gets to

00:25:53.240 make the call

00:25:53.740 he has trapped

00:25:55.140 himself because

00:25:57.220 there will never

00:25:57.940 be a moment when

00:25:58.880 you can say all

00:25:59.720 of the problems

00:26:00.440 with indigenous

00:26:01.020 communities and

00:26:02.280 Canadian relations

00:26:03.320 are solved that

00:26:04.240 point is not going

00:26:05.200 to come certainly

00:26:05.880 not in his time

00:26:07.100 in office so by

00:26:09.400 abdicating this

00:26:10.360 decision he's

00:26:11.240 really made it so

00:26:12.620 that nothing can

00:26:13.640 be done Andrew

00:26:15.100 Potter had a

00:26:15.960 fantastic op-ed in

00:26:17.400 the Globe and

00:26:17.860 Mail about this and

00:26:18.700 he talked about how

00:26:19.880 the symbolism is very

00:26:21.440 relevant here he

00:26:22.980 says it's bad

00:26:23.920 enough that Mr.

00:26:24.660 Trudeau had allowed

00:26:25.680 the flag of Canada

00:26:26.720 to come to

00:26:27.320 symbolize Canada's

00:26:28.460 historic ill

00:26:29.440 treatment of its

00:26:30.100 indigenous peoples

00:26:30.940 but now the

00:26:32.020 prospect of raising

00:26:33.160 them is being held

00:26:34.240 hostage by the

00:26:34.980 Prime Minister's own

00:26:35.780 callousness and

00:26:36.920 indifference this is

00:26:38.400 no way to run a

00:26:39.820 country and that's a

00:26:41.940 tremendous point

00:26:42.600 Justin Trudeau has

00:26:43.460 actually made the

00:26:44.580 Canadian flag something

00:26:46.000 to be ashamed of

00:26:47.100 when that was never

00:26:48.640 its purpose and what

00:26:49.740 Andrew Potter writes

00:26:50.560 about in his column

00:26:51.280 here is that there

00:26:52.380 was in fact a large

00:26:54.280 amount of buy-in by

00:26:56.180 Canadians of the

00:26:57.340 flag because the

00:26:58.900 flag was one of the

00:26:59.680 most recognizable

00:27:00.540 unifying and pride

00:27:02.360 inducing symbols in

00:27:03.540 Canada and now

00:27:05.460 Justin Trudeau has

00:27:06.340 actually changed that

00:27:07.540 he's made it so the

00:27:08.420 flag is something to

00:27:10.040 be ashamed of the

00:27:11.440 flag is something to

00:27:12.260 be embarrassed by and

00:27:15.300 how do you ever raise

00:27:17.020 the flag high and not

00:27:18.880 expect protests and

00:27:20.220 desecration if that's

00:27:21.820 the image of the

00:27:22.400 Canadian flag that

00:27:23.200 you've tried to

00:27:23.800 cement in a

00:27:24.360 generation of young

00:27:25.860 Canadians so it is

00:27:28.660 shameful whenever the

00:27:30.260 flag goes back up it

00:27:31.520 will be too late but

00:27:32.700 still it does in fact

00:27:34.040 need to go back up

00:27:35.320 and before I wrap

00:27:36.740 things up I wanted to

00:27:37.800 share a word or two

00:27:38.980 about this vaccine

00:27:40.320 mandate for members

00:27:42.200 of parliament this is

00:27:43.380 something that again as

00:27:44.300 MPs go back before the

00:27:45.660 House of Commons in the

00:27:47.180 coming days the House

00:27:48.560 of Commons committee of

00:27:50.080 MPs that runs basically

00:27:52.020 how the house will be

00:27:53.160 structured has decided

00:27:54.780 to put in a vaccine

00:27:55.760 mandate you must be

00:27:57.260 vaccinated if you want

00:27:58.360 to enter the grounds of

00:28:00.300 the House of Commons

00:28:01.160 which means if you want

00:28:02.260 to take your seat as an

00:28:03.300 elected MP you have to

00:28:05.440 be fully vaccinated or

00:28:06.780 have a medical exemption

00:28:07.800 and if you have a

00:28:08.500 medical exemption you

00:28:09.880 have to do testing but

00:28:10.920 there's no testing

00:28:11.600 alternative if you just

00:28:13.120 for whatever reason

00:28:13.960 don't want to get

00:28:14.860 vaccinated for moral or

00:28:17.040 religious or just

00:28:18.160 because you don't want

00:28:19.500 to reasons because you

00:28:21.080 don't want to reasons

00:28:21.880 that's a that's the

00:28:22.920 technical term I believe

00:28:23.960 it's on the vaccine

00:28:24.780 certificates the what's

00:28:26.000 your reason don't want

00:28:26.880 to but here's the thing

00:28:28.440 you look at this in the

00:28:30.660 context of what we just

00:28:32.440 went through which was

00:28:33.180 an election voters had

00:28:35.340 the right to ask their

00:28:37.320 candidates whether they

00:28:38.380 were vaccinated or not

00:28:39.480 they had the right to

00:28:40.280 hear what their answer

00:28:41.380 was or what their non

00:28:42.460 answer was and decide

00:28:43.760 does this person deserve

00:28:44.940 to represent me if that's

00:28:46.260 something a voter cares

00:28:47.140 about if a voter cares

00:28:49.060 about an mp's vaccination

00:28:50.300 status they had the

00:28:51.980 right to weigh in so

00:28:54.300 for the house of

00:28:55.520 commons to now put a

00:28:57.300 policy forward that

00:28:58.940 will affect whether

00:29:00.560 these mp's can take

00:29:01.800 their seats is absolutely

00:29:03.760 shameful because the

00:29:06.920 mp's have fulfilled

00:29:08.120 their mandate they

00:29:09.540 fulfilled their

00:29:10.320 prerequisite for showing

00:29:12.060 up in the house of

00:29:13.280 commons which was

00:29:14.080 getting elected by the

00:29:16.560 people they represent

00:29:18.000 not by a group of

00:29:19.920 board of the internal

00:29:20.680 economy mp's sitting

00:29:22.060 behind closed doors

00:29:23.400 which is precisely what

00:29:24.820 happened blake richards

00:29:25.780 who's the conservative

00:29:26.500 whip has said he can't

00:29:27.860 speak about what

00:29:28.440 happened because the

00:29:29.240 meeting was in camera

00:29:30.200 but suffice it to say he

00:29:32.240 thinks this is wrong mp

00:29:33.580 should have a choice

00:29:34.460 vaccination is a

00:29:35.820 personal choice not

00:29:37.240 something that can be

00:29:37.900 imposed by a group of

00:29:39.300 nine in a darkened

00:29:40.380 room the room might have

00:29:42.140 been well lit but you

00:29:42.840 understand the point

00:29:43.640 so when i see something

00:29:46.240 like this i see a

00:29:48.500 subversion of democratic

00:29:50.260 will it's at this point

00:29:52.460 not even clear if mp's

00:29:54.200 will have the hybrid

00:29:55.020 option again it's not

00:29:56.080 clear if mp's will be

00:29:57.540 able to zoom in like

00:29:58.920 they could throughout the

00:30:00.140 last couple of years if

00:30:01.720 they can then the house

00:30:02.860 of commons will say well

00:30:03.780 that's enough of a

00:30:04.500 concession if you don't

00:30:05.300 want to go in you can

00:30:06.060 still do it but right

00:30:07.000 now there's no guarantee

00:30:08.020 that an unvaccinated

00:30:09.080 member of parliament will

00:30:10.380 even be able to sit as a

00:30:12.160 member of parliament until

00:30:13.300 they work this out and

00:30:14.920 again i suspect there

00:30:15.980 will be a hybrid option

00:30:17.220 if only to neutralize the

00:30:19.200 concerns from unvaccinated

00:30:20.880 mp's and we don't know

00:30:22.140 how many there are the

00:30:23.280 liberals the ndp the

00:30:24.480 bloc québécois they've

00:30:25.460 all said our caucuses are

00:30:26.540 fully vaccinated it's the

00:30:28.020 conservatives who say

00:30:29.100 which is i think the

00:30:30.040 right position we don't

00:30:31.500 force it we encourage it

00:30:32.800 it's up to individual mp's

00:30:34.600 to decide what they want

00:30:35.600 to do and if they want to

00:30:37.260 disclose that but anytime

00:30:40.280 you start putting up

00:30:41.320 barriers for when duly

00:30:43.760 elected representatives

00:30:44.700 can take their seats

00:30:45.620 what you are doing is

00:30:46.920 patently undemocratic

00:30:48.640 and as we were speaking

00:30:50.600 about earlier on in the

00:30:52.200 show that interview i did

00:30:53.200 with brian peckford when

00:30:54.220 he talked about what has

00:30:55.040 happened to rights and

00:30:55.940 freedoms coming up on 40

00:30:57.520 years after a group of

00:30:59.100 politicians and lawyers

00:31:00.460 and advocates thought they

00:31:02.020 were definitively

00:31:03.580 cementing rights and

00:31:05.320 freedoms into the canadian

00:31:06.320 consciousness and canadian

00:31:07.900 legal system and now in

00:31:09.740 just a generation and a

00:31:10.760 half those rights are

00:31:11.520 being summarily ignored

00:31:12.480 even in the very house

00:31:14.880 that passed that charter

00:31:16.960 unreal we have to end

00:31:19.400 things there my thanks to

00:31:20.560 you all for tuning in we'll

00:31:21.660 be back tomorrow with a

00:31:23.040 special on the just

00:31:24.260 transition and then a

00:31:25.920 regular full strength

00:31:26.940 edition of the andrew

00:31:27.700 lawton show coming up

00:31:28.520 next week thank you god

00:31:29.880 bless and good day to you

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