Juno News - September 16, 2025


Call to FIX Canada as Parliament Resumes


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In this week's Not Sorry, we're joined by Peter Coleman, President of the National Citizens Coalition and Director of the Campaign to Fix Canada, to talk about the Canadian housing crisis and the government's failed strategy to fix it.

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00:00:00.000 Parliament is back. The House has resumed, for all the good and bad that entails. Welcome back
00:00:10.560 to Not Sorry here on Juneau News. I'm Alexander Brown, Director of the National Citizens Coalition.
00:00:16.240 I'm a writer, I'm a campaigner, a contributor to Project Ontario. And we've got a lot to talk
00:00:23.120 about this week. We're happy to be joined by Peter Coleman, the President of the National
00:00:27.440 Citizens Coalition. There's so much to unpack on the NCC side of the fence and their call to fix
00:00:34.960 Canada. And right off the top of the show, I'm not sure if you've seen this clip making the rounds.
00:00:41.360 As a younger person who can't afford a home, I find it particularly insulting. Here's Mark Carney's
00:00:48.080 understanding of the Canadian housing crisis. You know, young Canadians are doing everything right.
00:00:54.800 They're studying hard, finding a job, saving up. Yet for too many of them, rent is unaffordable. And
00:01:03.280 home ownership feels entirely out of reach. Across the country, it takes nearly four years for first
00:01:10.560 time home buyers to save for a down payment. And a market such as Toronto and Vancouver even longer.
00:01:15.840 Just four years. I do not know when this study, I believe this was a government study,
00:01:24.640 what type of professionals they were speaking with, if they were just maybe professional class,
00:01:31.840 Ottawa six-figure consultant types. To pull you back behind the curtain, I'm in my mid-30s.
00:01:38.480 I've been building up that down payment for far more than 10 years. Try a decade. In the polling,
00:01:45.280 a super majority of young Canadians feel that housing is unattainable and now only for the rich.
00:01:52.160 And Carney's answer with this Build Canada Homes debacle is $13 billion of investment, read your tax
00:02:00.880 dollars to build the kind of Soviet-style garden shed that you never envisioned would be your only
00:02:09.760 housing option. They're proudly claiming they're building 4,000 of these garden sheds and more
00:02:16.960 forever rentals and touting that as some great success when we know that the more important housing fix
00:02:24.800 would be getting out of the way, lowering building costs, cutting back red tape, policing and fixing
00:02:32.320 immigration. We have 4.9 million temporary visas meant to expire. And Dr. Michael Bonner and I,
00:02:39.520 who joined me last weekend on the show, went into this again on The Hub. And in further detail,
00:02:46.000 this is a program riddled with abuse and exploitation and fraud and is on a much larger
00:02:52.000 scale than previously acknowledged. That's your housing fix. It's letting people build homes.
00:02:58.240 It's not, here's your shoe box. Here's your dog crate condo. Oh, kids, it probably only takes you
00:03:04.240 four years to save up for a down payment. It doesn't. Most people, most young people aren't even attempting
00:03:09.920 to save up for one anymore. That is not because they are spending their money on avocado toast. That is
00:03:15.440 because it is a nightmare to them. It isn't even a dream. It's not a possibility. And so we saw this
00:03:23.200 massively misleading start on this Build Canada Homes front, just as we've seen a massively misleading
00:03:30.240 major projects false start, where a real reality check for this major projects office is that
00:03:36.720 these programs that are being fast tracked are already on the fast track. These are projects that
00:03:42.160 were 50, 60, 70% completed that didn't even need this extra little push from the government,
00:03:48.720 and they're claiming it as some kind of major victory. It is purely symbolic. It is cynical.
00:03:55.200 It is frustrating. Again, we're going back to projects being hampered by red tape and we're not
00:04:02.880 getting rid of anti-resource legislation, things that the government could do today to actually help
00:04:07.760 build these energy projects. And so then it's no wonder then that organizations like the National
00:04:14.160 Citizens Coalition, where I'm the director, are calling on an urgent fix Canada. This is the campaign,
00:04:21.680 this urgent call to fix Canada, to notice that there's been a lot of talk and a lot of lip service,
00:04:28.080 but very little action on these key files from building energy to immigration to whatever the heck
00:04:34.880 Sean Frazier is doing on the crime and chaos portfolio, which is, sadly, that file is starting
00:04:41.760 like his last two files where he was generationally inept. And so we're going to talk to Peter Coleman
00:04:46.800 here, longtime president of the NCC. We're going to talk about the third-party, independent, small-c push
00:04:54.320 to hold government to account, to fix the cultural rot and get back to the Canada that we were 0.98
00:05:00.320 before this last decade. Join us for the chat. National Citizens Coalition President Peter Coleman
00:05:07.440 joins the show. Peter, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me on. It's great to see you.
00:05:12.720 Great to see you too. The House has resumed. Parliament is back. The same old frustrations
00:05:19.440 linger for many voters, for National Citizens Coalition supporters. You are in the news,
00:05:26.160 as long along with the coalition, with this call to fix Canada, with the new campaign from the NCC.
00:05:33.760 Great coverage this weekend in the Toronto Sun from Brian Pasifume. Tell me a little bit about
00:05:39.360 the campaign and tell me, you know, how you're feeling, you know, about this start for the Kearney
00:05:44.640 Liberals. I think the thing, Alex, is the country deserves so much better than we had in the last 10
00:05:49.520 years under Trudeau. And we need to get there. Young and old are looking for the country to move forward
00:05:57.600 in a positive way, you know, to sell our resources to market and to stop the shenanigans of, you know,
00:06:04.160 there's no demand for liquefied natural gas, there's no demand for oil. It seems right now the rest of the
00:06:09.120 world is passing us by and we're seeing us in bystander. We're behind in every file. And, you know, as an
00:06:14.960 organization, we like good policy. We like good politicians. I don't really personally care,
00:06:20.480 nor is the organization, about who's in power. We want them to do a good job. And anybody that
00:06:25.440 doesn't have blinders on knows we've been going down the wrong path for 10 years. And there's been,
00:06:29.680 there's been stop signs and the Liberal governments refuse to listen to them now.
00:06:33.760 And now they're grudgingly being forced to do it. But their actions don't speak very well right now.
00:06:38.400 And we want action, no more talk. Like if there was a gold medal for communications and talking,
00:06:43.920 Karni would win it. If there's a gold medal for doing nothing, Karni would win that right now, too.
00:06:48.560 So we want him to succeed. The country needs the prime minister to lead and to do a good job.
00:06:54.960 We need signs of that right now we're not seeing. So that's where the genesis of Fix Canada campaign
00:06:58.720 came from. I feel the same. And I am, of course, close to the campaign. I wrote the darn thing. And I
00:07:06.320 worked with you to put some great ads together with terrific consultants and to get that out to
00:07:12.480 tens of thousands of NCC supporters where the organization is reaching millions of people per
00:07:16.880 month. But the talk has been, you know, encouraging. It is nice to hear these words. But then,
00:07:24.960 you know, we're six months in. You also last week issued a failing grade, you know, for the start to
00:07:31.120 the Karni government, which was in media as well, where you sort of went down, you know, whether it
00:07:35.840 was jobs, elbows up, immigration, the economy, that we're still spinning our wheels. And the
00:07:43.600 National Citizens Coalition is a is a small C conservative organization. It does not wear
00:07:49.840 a blue suit. It does not work for the leader's office. It does not work for the party. It is
00:07:55.600 it is a founding conservative nonprofit small C advocacy group started by my grandfather back in
00:08:03.040 the 1960s during Trudeau the senior and the and the early nightmares there that were
00:08:08.880 were only bound to get worse decades later. And so when you look around the political landscape
00:08:15.440 and you're not afraid to perhaps criticize conservatives who wouldn't be doing a great
00:08:22.320 job either. Who who comes to mind as a conservative right now that is really succeeding to you? And
00:08:28.720 then who might come to mind as a conservative who who better is expected of? Well, you know, CBC and
00:08:36.480 Andrew Cohen, those acolytes would say I'm crazy. But Daniel Smith comes to mind for me. She cares about
00:08:42.560 her people. She cares about her province. She cares about the country. She's doing what she can to move
00:08:46.720 things forward. Alberta has been treated very poorly by the federal government for 10 years. We have
00:08:52.160 the resources in Alberta to sell that are provincial jurisdiction to sell. And it's time those things
00:08:58.080 got to market. Scott Moe has done a good job. But I think Danielle Smith's taken some undue heat. I
00:09:02.480 think she's done a really good job of having the pulse of what's going on with Trump stuff to the
00:09:07.520 border. She seems to be getting along with Carney, but Carney's got a show for her that while the hard 0.89
00:09:14.960 work and all the elbow grease she's put forward, something's going to happen. The other side of the
00:09:19.600 coin is the premier of my province of Ontario. I just think he's doing a horrible job on so many
00:09:25.520 fronts. He's all he's all bluster and talk. And it's just all these files out just seem to be going. I
00:09:34.080 mean, crime is bad. Immigration is bad. The budgets are bad. The common sense is lacking. And, you know, Doug Ford,
00:09:43.520 you would think as a conservative organization, we would support. We've got a Project Ontario campaign
00:09:47.600 that's taking dead eye and dead aim at Doug Ford for the poor job he's doing. So, Daniel Smith's on
00:09:53.280 the good side. Doug Ford's on the bad side. And Carney's getting enough because I don't see,
00:09:58.560 I'm an actions result guy. I want to see results. I don't care what your talk is. I've been around
00:10:03.840 this game for a long time. I knew your grandfather growing up as a young kid. I have great respect for
00:10:09.840 what he started and what he's done. We take a lot of shots and arrows from the media and people
00:10:14.400 that think we're far right wing. We're the common sense voice of this country. And the country needs
00:10:20.240 more of us, not less. Kind of you to say, I certainly agree on the common sense front. I think of that
00:10:29.040 Ontario effort, for example, with the Project Ontario that we're collaborating on and with, and then the
00:10:36.640 the NCC's campaign, Ontarians for Responsible Government, and recently besmirched as some far
00:10:44.000 right radicals in this sort of flippant comment from the Premier of Ontario in front of press. And
00:10:51.040 behind the scenes, we all know current politicians, past politicians, top campaigners, leading
00:10:57.920 businessmen who are deeply frustrated by what has been going on at Queen's Park, by what is viewed as a
00:11:03.360 continuation of the Wynn McGinty years when it started off with so much more promise. And so it
00:11:09.040 is, in juxtaposition, it is incredibly encouraging to see Danielle Smith continue to fight through
00:11:17.680 often just downright slander and defamation. She was labeled a traitor in the early days of Elbows Up.
00:11:25.680 And look how good a job she's doing. Look how prescient some of her beliefs have proven themselves to be.
00:11:31.680 And so on the conservative side of things, you and I have had discussions about this in regards to
00:11:37.520 the federal leadership. And you, again, not blindly loyal, but no one here is, we're not wearing the
00:11:46.080 jersey. What would be your sort of frank assessment of the Polyev leadership and where you think that
00:11:56.320 they should per chance pivot to or adjust for? Look, I think the conservatives made historical
00:12:03.040 gains. When you win union seats in in Windsor, the NDP just gave up the middle class. Jack Layton will
00:12:10.480 be rolling in his grave for how much Jack McSing's damage done to his party. Yeah, there's a party of
00:12:16.000 the party of the teacher's lounge now. Yeah. When you see that, it's very encouraging to see the increase in
00:12:21.840 the number of seats, the depth and the breadth of 41% of the voting, uh, was, was a very good thing
00:12:28.560 too. The issue for me with Polyev is like things change in politics, like a day's a long time.
00:12:34.640 Sometimes in politics, he has to pivot to and put a team out. It can't be Polyev anymore all the time. 1.00
00:12:42.320 It has to be a whole team because you look behind Carney, the people around him,
00:12:47.520 Sean Fraser, horrible job, every portfolio he had, and he gets promoted to the big one now. But
00:12:53.440 Polyev has to show the people he's listened, he's heard. Some people were uncomfortable with his,
00:12:59.600 his personality. Uh, they liked his policies. And I think people can change. I think people
00:13:05.680 have the ability to change and he needs to show to that 5% of the population that said,
00:13:11.280 I'm going to vote for Mr. Elvilsup, which is a joke in the first place. But that 5% of that vote
00:13:16.240 that turned is what turned the election. And it might just be the people that say, I just didn't like
00:13:22.240 him. And in politics, that kind of matters sometimes. I mean, as much as I despise Justin Trudeau,
00:13:28.080 he was a great retail campaigner. He was really good on the trail. Something Carney has zero of.
00:13:34.080 He comes across as a stuffy banker, but Trudeau was really good at that. Polyev is getting better,
00:13:40.720 but I think the party needs to show them as it's a party of much more than just him to be successful.
00:13:45.600 I've talked to people around the party, former senior people in the party. They all like the push
00:13:51.120 he has with the younger generation because the younger generation, your generation wants action.
00:13:56.000 They want stuff to get done. The older generation of boomers that, for some reason,
00:14:00.000 is stuck with Carney's nonsense about how he can handle Trump. They're not going to change their
00:14:06.480 minds ever. The 5% that Polyev needs to get over the top next election is there for the taking.
00:14:14.480 And we're going to push him hard too, Alex. We're not letting him off the hook too in this
00:14:17.760 conversation either, because as much as we give Carney an F and all the things, the jury's out for me and
00:14:22.880 Pauli of how he's going to handle the House of Commons starting today. We'll see and we're ready
00:14:27.840 to react accordingly. I think that's a fair comment in regards to the pugnacity of the
00:14:37.600 official opposition leader. An incredibly gifted orator, whip-smart, maybe the greatest House of
00:14:44.640 Commons speaker that I can recall in the modern era. Perhaps the one person in Canada I wouldn't want to be in a
00:14:52.560 debate with. It'd be like swimming with a great white shark. But there is, whether we like it or not,
00:15:01.120 a Canadian sensibility that can be arguably a little precious and a little delicate, or it can be
00:15:10.080 rattled by flippancy or a little bit too much vim and vigor. And there needs to be maybe less of a
00:15:19.120 wartime energy to those communications, which I believe is, is understandable. And I say that as
00:15:24.720 someone who can be pugnacious myself and punchy and flippant. And I sometimes get in trouble for it,
00:15:30.160 not with you, but with other people. And so there, I do believe that.
00:15:33.520 You know what you're doing, Alex?
00:15:34.400 Oh, thanks. That's, that's, you know, I'm going to take advantage of that and then some, but
00:15:40.640 it's a, even I can see that from conversations in and outside of the party, from just, you know,
00:15:47.520 the average person on the street, that there was this sort of default to decorum. The liberals,
00:15:53.200 of course, had the unique luck that they, they extorted to the nth degree to rally around the flag,
00:16:01.600 but that they, but that Carney appeared stately. But now we're seeing stately has been,
00:16:06.880 you know, a snail's pace in, in, in terms of deliverables. We, we, this major projects office
00:16:13.200 is just, has just taken credit for things that were already well underway past 50%.
00:16:19.680 None of them are oil pipelines. We're, we're seeing slow starts on, on any attempt on crime and chaos.
00:16:25.600 We had innocent people being shot up and killed all summer long. And Sean Frazier, you know,
00:16:30.160 couldn't get on a flight to Ottawa. And so there's, there is fertile ground there to both offer
00:16:35.440 constructive criticism, but to then call for a fix to Canada to, to throw, to, you know,
00:16:42.000 throw the organization's heft and messaging behind, you know, let's be productive and get things done.
00:16:47.200 Because I, I personally, do I want conservatives to win in this country? Yes. But I am open to being
00:16:56.560 proven wrong about my concerns about the federal liberals. I just want things to get better right now
00:17:03.360 for young people, for folks who feel unsafe, for this country to look more cohesive and, and,
00:17:08.880 you know, like it used to as recently as 2015. Yeah. Well, let me give it a perfect example,
00:17:13.680 a campaign that we're involved with, Alex, and you've done great work on is the immigration file.
00:17:18.240 Sean Frazier, who is now our justice minister, who was her housing minister, was at Gong Show there,
00:17:23.600 Gong Show and housing, Gong Show and immigration, now is your justice minister.
00:17:28.320 So I'll probably get in trouble for saying, but the very same people he's letting the country,
00:17:31.920 some of them are doing bad stuff. It's just the reality that's going on. We have too many people
00:17:36.240 coming into the country that our healthcare system can't handle, our housing system can't handle. 1.00
00:17:41.040 I'm a chartered accountant by, by training. Before I joined the NCC, I spent 20 years in different
00:17:45.760 financial jobs, public companies, not public companies. I think right now I could do a better job
00:17:51.920 than a lot of people in the, in the liberal government, as far as the finances. I mean,
00:17:56.480 show us what the immigration file has done. Show us what the cost has been. Show us the hits on
00:18:01.200 healthcare and immigration. Show us the hits on crime. Show us how much we're spending.
00:18:06.000 But what do we get? House of Commons has only sat for how many days? It's coming back. We're not
00:18:10.960 getting a budget now. I hear until maybe November. And he has this BS talk about, you know, investments
00:18:16.800 versus deficits and austerity and whatever. If you were a really strong leader in Kearney,
00:18:22.560 you wouldn't have taken the summer off, Alex. These issues are pressing. I mean, these issues
00:18:27.760 are pressing for the country. There are people that are working for Stelco and steel companies
00:18:31.920 that are suffering. The canola companies, the canola farmers are suffering and all the downstream
00:18:37.440 people that benefit from that. And what have we done? It's a lot of talk. It's like, well,
00:18:42.080 we can't rely on the US anymore. Well, does anybody with a brain in their head think we're going to
00:18:46.480 take our 70% of our business with the US and move it to Europe anytime soon? Only the elbows
00:18:52.560 up naive crowd that supported Kearney will at all costs. Anybody with any intelligence knows Alex,
00:18:57.680 that's a mug's game. Trump won't be there forever. We have to work with our American partners,
00:19:03.840 get the best deal that we can, and move forward. And I just want to see some encouraging signs, Alex,
00:19:10.800 that we're getting there. In the immigration file, a smart person would say, we're shutting off
00:19:16.160 immigration for six months. Nobody's coming in. People can come in and work in the agriculture 0.99
00:19:21.520 area for the temporary foreign workers because those jobs are hard to replace. I get that.
00:19:25.680 But you can't tell me that people can't replace these jobs for the most part in Canada right now.
00:19:31.200 And we need that when our population is growing faster than we can sustain with healthcare and
00:19:35.920 immigration causing it, healthcare storage because of immigration, housing, real shortages.
00:19:42.080 Maybe you would just say, let's put the brakes on this. Don't go and say, well,
00:19:45.760 we slowed it down by 75%. Stop it. And then six months later, come back to the people and say,
00:19:51.120 you know what? We moved too fast. We should have slowed down. We didn't, but we're going to fix it.
00:19:56.480 And give people stats, Alex, if the average person like you, I can say,
00:20:00.720 he's making some progress. But I don't know, maybe you'll see that faster than I will. But
00:20:05.440 I've seen none of that so far. No, we've just, we've seen lip service. And I think of what you
00:20:10.880 were just saying about immigration. And you're not going to get in trouble with me for saying that.
00:20:16.960 You know my work well enough by now and the campaign's impact. But their solution to that
00:20:23.040 immigration issue so far has just been this, this build Canadian housing accelerator, which they
00:20:30.880 proudly trumpeted yesterday and promises to spend $13 billion to build 4,000 Soviet garden sheds.
00:20:40.480 That is, and more purpose-built rentals. That is not a solution to a generational housing crisis.
00:20:46.320 That is not a solution to getting families in homes they actually own so they can even 0.98
00:20:52.160 create a family and not just live this, this dog crate condo existence. And there is no greater
00:20:58.720 solution than sending home 4.9 million expiring temporary visas and returning to the immigration
00:21:07.360 standard of Stephen Harper and Jason Kenney. Yeah. The other thing too, is if you really,
00:21:13.360 as a country, if you want to take care of the people that need help, and we all agree that
00:21:17.440 there's people that are struggling in this country, you have to create the wealth first.
00:21:21.040 Yeah. So you've got to sell the resources. We have all the resources the world wants,
00:21:24.400 whether it's potash or canola oil or... I thought there was no business case for that.
00:21:28.960 Yeah. LNG, everybody's going crazy selling this stuff and they've been asking the liberals to do it
00:21:33.760 forever. If Carney's the world traveler and thinks he's as smart as he is, he should know two things.
00:21:38.400 If we want to get our share of the greenhouse gas, 1.6% of the world's greenhouse gases down to a lower
00:21:44.960 number, start shipping LNG across the world. Ship it to India, ship it to China, ship it to Europe.
00:21:52.720 Get rid of our reliance on Russia. Stop spending money in Ukraine that we don't know how much money 0.72
00:21:58.400 we spent there. We haven't seen a budget, so we don't know how it comes in November. Is it $120
00:22:03.520 billion deficit? Is it $150? You can explain by saying, oh, it's all investment. It's just investment.
00:22:09.840 Why don't we sell our resources? We'd have so much money. We could take care of our housing
00:22:14.720 problem in a reasonable, prudent way, to your point, not by building these shacks and calling 0.99
00:22:20.560 them housing better. It's just hard to fathom that that's really a win-win policy, but sell our
00:22:27.840 resources. Give us a plan. I'd be the first guy, to be honest, that would support Carney and say,
00:22:32.160 you know what? You're doing a darn good job. If I come back on your show sometime down the road,
00:22:37.360 six months from now, I'd love to be able to say it, but I just don't see the early signs right now
00:22:43.120 that we're there. I hope I'm wrong. When he does a good job, I'm going to say, you've done a good job.
00:22:50.560 Prove us wrong, folks. I very much feel the same. Peter Coleman, thank you for your stewardship
00:22:55.600 and your leadership with the National Citizens Coalition. Thank you for joining the show today
00:23:00.480 and for more on the Fix Canada campaign, folks are welcome to go to nationalcitizens.ca
00:23:06.080 slash fixcanada. Thank you, Peter. Thanks, Alex, for having me on.
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