Juno News - September 16, 2025
Call to FIX Canada as Parliament Resumes
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In this week's Not Sorry, we're joined by Peter Coleman, President of the National Citizens Coalition and Director of the Campaign to Fix Canada, to talk about the Canadian housing crisis and the government's failed strategy to fix it.
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Parliament is back. The House has resumed, for all the good and bad that entails. Welcome back
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to Not Sorry here on Juneau News. I'm Alexander Brown, Director of the National Citizens Coalition.
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I'm a writer, I'm a campaigner, a contributor to Project Ontario. And we've got a lot to talk
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about this week. We're happy to be joined by Peter Coleman, the President of the National
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Citizens Coalition. There's so much to unpack on the NCC side of the fence and their call to fix
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Canada. And right off the top of the show, I'm not sure if you've seen this clip making the rounds.
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As a younger person who can't afford a home, I find it particularly insulting. Here's Mark Carney's
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understanding of the Canadian housing crisis. You know, young Canadians are doing everything right.
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They're studying hard, finding a job, saving up. Yet for too many of them, rent is unaffordable. And
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home ownership feels entirely out of reach. Across the country, it takes nearly four years for first
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time home buyers to save for a down payment. And a market such as Toronto and Vancouver even longer.
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Just four years. I do not know when this study, I believe this was a government study,
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what type of professionals they were speaking with, if they were just maybe professional class,
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Ottawa six-figure consultant types. To pull you back behind the curtain, I'm in my mid-30s.
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I've been building up that down payment for far more than 10 years. Try a decade. In the polling,
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a super majority of young Canadians feel that housing is unattainable and now only for the rich.
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And Carney's answer with this Build Canada Homes debacle is $13 billion of investment, read your tax
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dollars to build the kind of Soviet-style garden shed that you never envisioned would be your only
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housing option. They're proudly claiming they're building 4,000 of these garden sheds and more
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forever rentals and touting that as some great success when we know that the more important housing fix
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would be getting out of the way, lowering building costs, cutting back red tape, policing and fixing
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immigration. We have 4.9 million temporary visas meant to expire. And Dr. Michael Bonner and I,
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who joined me last weekend on the show, went into this again on The Hub. And in further detail,
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this is a program riddled with abuse and exploitation and fraud and is on a much larger
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scale than previously acknowledged. That's your housing fix. It's letting people build homes.
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It's not, here's your shoe box. Here's your dog crate condo. Oh, kids, it probably only takes you
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four years to save up for a down payment. It doesn't. Most people, most young people aren't even attempting
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to save up for one anymore. That is not because they are spending their money on avocado toast. That is
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because it is a nightmare to them. It isn't even a dream. It's not a possibility. And so we saw this
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massively misleading start on this Build Canada Homes front, just as we've seen a massively misleading
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major projects false start, where a real reality check for this major projects office is that
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these programs that are being fast tracked are already on the fast track. These are projects that
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were 50, 60, 70% completed that didn't even need this extra little push from the government,
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and they're claiming it as some kind of major victory. It is purely symbolic. It is cynical.
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It is frustrating. Again, we're going back to projects being hampered by red tape and we're not
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getting rid of anti-resource legislation, things that the government could do today to actually help
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build these energy projects. And so then it's no wonder then that organizations like the National
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Citizens Coalition, where I'm the director, are calling on an urgent fix Canada. This is the campaign,
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this urgent call to fix Canada, to notice that there's been a lot of talk and a lot of lip service,
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but very little action on these key files from building energy to immigration to whatever the heck
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Sean Frazier is doing on the crime and chaos portfolio, which is, sadly, that file is starting
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like his last two files where he was generationally inept. And so we're going to talk to Peter Coleman
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here, longtime president of the NCC. We're going to talk about the third-party, independent, small-c push
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to hold government to account, to fix the cultural rot and get back to the Canada that we were
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before this last decade. Join us for the chat. National Citizens Coalition President Peter Coleman
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joins the show. Peter, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me on. It's great to see you.
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Great to see you too. The House has resumed. Parliament is back. The same old frustrations
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linger for many voters, for National Citizens Coalition supporters. You are in the news,
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as long along with the coalition, with this call to fix Canada, with the new campaign from the NCC.
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Great coverage this weekend in the Toronto Sun from Brian Pasifume. Tell me a little bit about
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the campaign and tell me, you know, how you're feeling, you know, about this start for the Kearney
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Liberals. I think the thing, Alex, is the country deserves so much better than we had in the last 10
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years under Trudeau. And we need to get there. Young and old are looking for the country to move forward
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in a positive way, you know, to sell our resources to market and to stop the shenanigans of, you know,
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there's no demand for liquefied natural gas, there's no demand for oil. It seems right now the rest of the
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world is passing us by and we're seeing us in bystander. We're behind in every file. And, you know, as an
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organization, we like good policy. We like good politicians. I don't really personally care,
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nor is the organization, about who's in power. We want them to do a good job. And anybody that
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doesn't have blinders on knows we've been going down the wrong path for 10 years. And there's been,
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there's been stop signs and the Liberal governments refuse to listen to them now.
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And now they're grudgingly being forced to do it. But their actions don't speak very well right now.
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And we want action, no more talk. Like if there was a gold medal for communications and talking,
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Karni would win it. If there's a gold medal for doing nothing, Karni would win that right now, too.
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So we want him to succeed. The country needs the prime minister to lead and to do a good job.
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We need signs of that right now we're not seeing. So that's where the genesis of Fix Canada campaign
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came from. I feel the same. And I am, of course, close to the campaign. I wrote the darn thing. And I
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worked with you to put some great ads together with terrific consultants and to get that out to
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tens of thousands of NCC supporters where the organization is reaching millions of people per
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month. But the talk has been, you know, encouraging. It is nice to hear these words. But then,
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you know, we're six months in. You also last week issued a failing grade, you know, for the start to
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the Karni government, which was in media as well, where you sort of went down, you know, whether it
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was jobs, elbows up, immigration, the economy, that we're still spinning our wheels. And the
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National Citizens Coalition is a is a small C conservative organization. It does not wear
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a blue suit. It does not work for the leader's office. It does not work for the party. It is
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it is a founding conservative nonprofit small C advocacy group started by my grandfather back in
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the 1960s during Trudeau the senior and the and the early nightmares there that were
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were only bound to get worse decades later. And so when you look around the political landscape
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and you're not afraid to perhaps criticize conservatives who wouldn't be doing a great
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job either. Who who comes to mind as a conservative right now that is really succeeding to you? And
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then who might come to mind as a conservative who who better is expected of? Well, you know, CBC and
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Andrew Cohen, those acolytes would say I'm crazy. But Daniel Smith comes to mind for me. She cares about
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her people. She cares about her province. She cares about the country. She's doing what she can to move
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things forward. Alberta has been treated very poorly by the federal government for 10 years. We have
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the resources in Alberta to sell that are provincial jurisdiction to sell. And it's time those things
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got to market. Scott Moe has done a good job. But I think Danielle Smith's taken some undue heat. I
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think she's done a really good job of having the pulse of what's going on with Trump stuff to the
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border. She seems to be getting along with Carney, but Carney's got a show for her that while the hard
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work and all the elbow grease she's put forward, something's going to happen. The other side of the
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coin is the premier of my province of Ontario. I just think he's doing a horrible job on so many
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fronts. He's all he's all bluster and talk. And it's just all these files out just seem to be going. I
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mean, crime is bad. Immigration is bad. The budgets are bad. The common sense is lacking. And, you know, Doug Ford,
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you would think as a conservative organization, we would support. We've got a Project Ontario campaign
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that's taking dead eye and dead aim at Doug Ford for the poor job he's doing. So, Daniel Smith's on
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the good side. Doug Ford's on the bad side. And Carney's getting enough because I don't see,
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I'm an actions result guy. I want to see results. I don't care what your talk is. I've been around
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this game for a long time. I knew your grandfather growing up as a young kid. I have great respect for
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what he started and what he's done. We take a lot of shots and arrows from the media and people
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that think we're far right wing. We're the common sense voice of this country. And the country needs
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more of us, not less. Kind of you to say, I certainly agree on the common sense front. I think of that
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Ontario effort, for example, with the Project Ontario that we're collaborating on and with, and then the
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the NCC's campaign, Ontarians for Responsible Government, and recently besmirched as some far
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right radicals in this sort of flippant comment from the Premier of Ontario in front of press. And
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behind the scenes, we all know current politicians, past politicians, top campaigners, leading
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businessmen who are deeply frustrated by what has been going on at Queen's Park, by what is viewed as a
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continuation of the Wynn McGinty years when it started off with so much more promise. And so it
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is, in juxtaposition, it is incredibly encouraging to see Danielle Smith continue to fight through
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often just downright slander and defamation. She was labeled a traitor in the early days of Elbows Up.
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And look how good a job she's doing. Look how prescient some of her beliefs have proven themselves to be.
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And so on the conservative side of things, you and I have had discussions about this in regards to
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the federal leadership. And you, again, not blindly loyal, but no one here is, we're not wearing the
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jersey. What would be your sort of frank assessment of the Polyev leadership and where you think that
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they should per chance pivot to or adjust for? Look, I think the conservatives made historical
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gains. When you win union seats in in Windsor, the NDP just gave up the middle class. Jack Layton will
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be rolling in his grave for how much Jack McSing's damage done to his party. Yeah, there's a party of
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the party of the teacher's lounge now. Yeah. When you see that, it's very encouraging to see the increase in
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the number of seats, the depth and the breadth of 41% of the voting, uh, was, was a very good thing
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too. The issue for me with Polyev is like things change in politics, like a day's a long time.
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Sometimes in politics, he has to pivot to and put a team out. It can't be Polyev anymore all the time.
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It has to be a whole team because you look behind Carney, the people around him,
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Sean Fraser, horrible job, every portfolio he had, and he gets promoted to the big one now. But
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Polyev has to show the people he's listened, he's heard. Some people were uncomfortable with his,
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his personality. Uh, they liked his policies. And I think people can change. I think people
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have the ability to change and he needs to show to that 5% of the population that said,
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I'm going to vote for Mr. Elvilsup, which is a joke in the first place. But that 5% of that vote
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that turned is what turned the election. And it might just be the people that say, I just didn't like
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him. And in politics, that kind of matters sometimes. I mean, as much as I despise Justin Trudeau,
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he was a great retail campaigner. He was really good on the trail. Something Carney has zero of.
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He comes across as a stuffy banker, but Trudeau was really good at that. Polyev is getting better,
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but I think the party needs to show them as it's a party of much more than just him to be successful.
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I've talked to people around the party, former senior people in the party. They all like the push
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he has with the younger generation because the younger generation, your generation wants action.
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They want stuff to get done. The older generation of boomers that, for some reason,
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is stuck with Carney's nonsense about how he can handle Trump. They're not going to change their
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minds ever. The 5% that Polyev needs to get over the top next election is there for the taking.
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And we're going to push him hard too, Alex. We're not letting him off the hook too in this
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conversation either, because as much as we give Carney an F and all the things, the jury's out for me and
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Pauli of how he's going to handle the House of Commons starting today. We'll see and we're ready
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to react accordingly. I think that's a fair comment in regards to the pugnacity of the
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official opposition leader. An incredibly gifted orator, whip-smart, maybe the greatest House of
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Commons speaker that I can recall in the modern era. Perhaps the one person in Canada I wouldn't want to be in a
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debate with. It'd be like swimming with a great white shark. But there is, whether we like it or not,
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a Canadian sensibility that can be arguably a little precious and a little delicate, or it can be
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rattled by flippancy or a little bit too much vim and vigor. And there needs to be maybe less of a
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wartime energy to those communications, which I believe is, is understandable. And I say that as
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someone who can be pugnacious myself and punchy and flippant. And I sometimes get in trouble for it,
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not with you, but with other people. And so there, I do believe that.
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Oh, thanks. That's, that's, you know, I'm going to take advantage of that and then some, but
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it's a, even I can see that from conversations in and outside of the party, from just, you know,
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the average person on the street, that there was this sort of default to decorum. The liberals,
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of course, had the unique luck that they, they extorted to the nth degree to rally around the flag,
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but that they, but that Carney appeared stately. But now we're seeing stately has been,
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you know, a snail's pace in, in, in terms of deliverables. We, we, this major projects office
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is just, has just taken credit for things that were already well underway past 50%.
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None of them are oil pipelines. We're, we're seeing slow starts on, on any attempt on crime and chaos.
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We had innocent people being shot up and killed all summer long. And Sean Frazier, you know,
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couldn't get on a flight to Ottawa. And so there's, there is fertile ground there to both offer
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constructive criticism, but to then call for a fix to Canada to, to throw, to, you know,
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throw the organization's heft and messaging behind, you know, let's be productive and get things done.
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Because I, I personally, do I want conservatives to win in this country? Yes. But I am open to being
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proven wrong about my concerns about the federal liberals. I just want things to get better right now
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for young people, for folks who feel unsafe, for this country to look more cohesive and, and,
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you know, like it used to as recently as 2015. Yeah. Well, let me give it a perfect example,
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a campaign that we're involved with, Alex, and you've done great work on is the immigration file.
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Sean Frazier, who is now our justice minister, who was her housing minister, was at Gong Show there,
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Gong Show and housing, Gong Show and immigration, now is your justice minister.
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So I'll probably get in trouble for saying, but the very same people he's letting the country,
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some of them are doing bad stuff. It's just the reality that's going on. We have too many people
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coming into the country that our healthcare system can't handle, our housing system can't handle.
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I'm a chartered accountant by, by training. Before I joined the NCC, I spent 20 years in different
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financial jobs, public companies, not public companies. I think right now I could do a better job
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than a lot of people in the, in the liberal government, as far as the finances. I mean,
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show us what the immigration file has done. Show us what the cost has been. Show us the hits on
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healthcare and immigration. Show us the hits on crime. Show us how much we're spending.
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But what do we get? House of Commons has only sat for how many days? It's coming back. We're not
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getting a budget now. I hear until maybe November. And he has this BS talk about, you know, investments
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versus deficits and austerity and whatever. If you were a really strong leader in Kearney,
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you wouldn't have taken the summer off, Alex. These issues are pressing. I mean, these issues
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are pressing for the country. There are people that are working for Stelco and steel companies
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that are suffering. The canola companies, the canola farmers are suffering and all the downstream
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people that benefit from that. And what have we done? It's a lot of talk. It's like, well,
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we can't rely on the US anymore. Well, does anybody with a brain in their head think we're going to
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take our 70% of our business with the US and move it to Europe anytime soon? Only the elbows
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up naive crowd that supported Kearney will at all costs. Anybody with any intelligence knows Alex,
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that's a mug's game. Trump won't be there forever. We have to work with our American partners,
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get the best deal that we can, and move forward. And I just want to see some encouraging signs, Alex,
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that we're getting there. In the immigration file, a smart person would say, we're shutting off
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immigration for six months. Nobody's coming in. People can come in and work in the agriculture
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area for the temporary foreign workers because those jobs are hard to replace. I get that.
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But you can't tell me that people can't replace these jobs for the most part in Canada right now.
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And we need that when our population is growing faster than we can sustain with healthcare and
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immigration causing it, healthcare storage because of immigration, housing, real shortages.
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Maybe you would just say, let's put the brakes on this. Don't go and say, well,
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we slowed it down by 75%. Stop it. And then six months later, come back to the people and say,
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you know what? We moved too fast. We should have slowed down. We didn't, but we're going to fix it.
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And give people stats, Alex, if the average person like you, I can say,
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he's making some progress. But I don't know, maybe you'll see that faster than I will. But
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I've seen none of that so far. No, we've just, we've seen lip service. And I think of what you
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were just saying about immigration. And you're not going to get in trouble with me for saying that.
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You know my work well enough by now and the campaign's impact. But their solution to that
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immigration issue so far has just been this, this build Canadian housing accelerator, which they
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proudly trumpeted yesterday and promises to spend $13 billion to build 4,000 Soviet garden sheds.
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That is, and more purpose-built rentals. That is not a solution to a generational housing crisis.
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That is not a solution to getting families in homes they actually own so they can even
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create a family and not just live this, this dog crate condo existence. And there is no greater
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solution than sending home 4.9 million expiring temporary visas and returning to the immigration
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standard of Stephen Harper and Jason Kenney. Yeah. The other thing too, is if you really,
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as a country, if you want to take care of the people that need help, and we all agree that
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there's people that are struggling in this country, you have to create the wealth first.
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Yeah. So you've got to sell the resources. We have all the resources the world wants,
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whether it's potash or canola oil or... I thought there was no business case for that.
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Yeah. LNG, everybody's going crazy selling this stuff and they've been asking the liberals to do it
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forever. If Carney's the world traveler and thinks he's as smart as he is, he should know two things.
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If we want to get our share of the greenhouse gas, 1.6% of the world's greenhouse gases down to a lower
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number, start shipping LNG across the world. Ship it to India, ship it to China, ship it to Europe.
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Get rid of our reliance on Russia. Stop spending money in Ukraine that we don't know how much money
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we spent there. We haven't seen a budget, so we don't know how it comes in November. Is it $120
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billion deficit? Is it $150? You can explain by saying, oh, it's all investment. It's just investment.
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Why don't we sell our resources? We'd have so much money. We could take care of our housing
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problem in a reasonable, prudent way, to your point, not by building these shacks and calling
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them housing better. It's just hard to fathom that that's really a win-win policy, but sell our
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resources. Give us a plan. I'd be the first guy, to be honest, that would support Carney and say,
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you know what? You're doing a darn good job. If I come back on your show sometime down the road,
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six months from now, I'd love to be able to say it, but I just don't see the early signs right now
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that we're there. I hope I'm wrong. When he does a good job, I'm going to say, you've done a good job.
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Prove us wrong, folks. I very much feel the same. Peter Coleman, thank you for your stewardship
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and your leadership with the National Citizens Coalition. Thank you for joining the show today
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and for more on the Fix Canada campaign, folks are welcome to go to nationalcitizens.ca
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slash fixcanada. Thank you, Peter. Thanks, Alex, for having me on.
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