00:03:39.980Something has to happen. It's not sustainable.
00:03:41.980U.S. President Donald Trump said on Thursday that his proposed 25% tariffs on Mexican and Canadian goods will go into effect on March 4th's schedule.
00:03:53.020But very importantly, tomorrow tariffs, 25% on Canada and 25% on Mexico, and that'll start.
00:04:00.280U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that 25% tariffs on imports from Canada and Mexico will go into effect on Tuesday.
00:04:08.940On the tariffs, is there any room left for Canada and Mexico to make a deal before midnight?
00:12:54.120It really is sad to see our fellow Canadians going down this exact same path.
00:13:00.940Now, on this whole tariff, you know, the reciprocal tariffs coming from the Canadian
00:13:08.980side, this is only going to hurt Canadians at the end of the day.
00:13:11.720It's only going to hurt Canadians and it's only going to hurt trade or relations within Canada.
00:13:18.280As we see right now, there's moves from people in Alberta to distance themselves from Ottawa.
00:13:24.260And what is that going to end up looking like?
00:13:27.380Well, only the future can tell because I don't see any politicians at the same time talking about hard times for Canadians easing up on the restrictions that they have.
00:13:37.800like, for example, the transfer payments that Alberta has to make to the other provinces,
00:13:43.900those aren't on the table. While everything is on the table and no cost is too high to go against
00:13:51.600the United States, the political class is really not considering any of these things, including
00:13:56.660the dairy cartel. Well, it's so interesting because Canada is already facing a cost of
00:14:01.820living crisis. When you look at the polls and you ask Canadians, what is the top issue facing you
00:14:06.840your family what is the main thing that's going to motivate you to vote in the next election
00:14:09.960it's the cost of living and how incredibly unaffordable everything from housing to food
00:14:14.520to gasoline is i mean even just the the idea of food security like having access to fresh fruit
00:14:20.120and vegetables in your grocery store uh that was already a concern for canadians and then on top
00:14:25.800of that now you're telling us that for everything that's been imported from the united states we
00:14:29.880have to pay an additional 25 tax on uh in in hopes that maybe it'll change trump's mind
00:14:36.600like i i just i think it's such a bad sell to canadians and the fact that every single political
00:14:41.240party has the same view on this and has the same opinion it's it's frustrating so i want to move
00:14:46.440over to pier poliev and the conservatives and his response because even though fundamentally i don't
00:14:52.040agree that canada should be retaliating with uh these tariffs i think that a better path would be
00:14:58.840let's just like try to negotiate a deal with trump however that may look um regardless i
00:15:03.880I disagree with the idea of the tariffs, but I felt like Pierre Polyev's message yesterday was really strong.
00:15:10.600I felt like this was the best Polyev that we've seen on this topic.
00:15:14.000So I'm going to play a few clips for you here.
00:15:15.980So this was Polyev announcing what happened and talking about how the Americans have stabbed their best friends in the back.
00:15:27.080At 12.01 a.m., President Trump stabbed America's best friend in the back.
00:15:33.880My message to the president is this. Canada will fight back. We will defend our people
00:15:40.580and our economy, and we will put Canada first. And strong message, very firm. And then he also
00:15:51.300notes that the fact that we're in this mess isn't necessarily just because of Donald Trump. It's
00:15:56.940because the liberals have abdicated their responsibilities. They've let Canadians down.
00:16:00.860They haven't secured the border. They've allowed the drug crisis to spiral out of control. The idea that we have fentanyl labs, like super labs operating in Canada by foreign nationals, by the way, by foreign gangs. We know this is happening and it has been allowed to go unchecked. Maybe they're cracking down on it now, but it's too little, too late. So here is Pierre Polyev saying that the Liberals have simply not done enough.
00:16:22.100the question was have the liberals done enough on fentanyl and is that a good justification for
00:16:29.700trump's tariffs and the answer to both questions is no and no no the liberals have not done enough
00:16:34.620on fentanyl but not because they should have been doing it for trump they should have been doing it
00:16:38.880for canadians so that's absolutely right but then he goes on to say that's still not justification
00:16:44.140for these kinds of tariffs so what what do you think of polyev's response there and how do you
00:16:49.820think he's handling this? Well, I think the gravitas towards Pierre Polyev was this common
00:16:56.320sense narrative, speaking truth to power, talk about what's actually happening. What I hear
00:17:02.900coming out of him right now, I don't really buy that. I hear him saying a lot of platitudes,
00:17:08.140things that people want to hear, but not really the truth. We're not in a strong position as
00:17:13.500Canada. And yes, it is the Liberals' fault, but we can't go to the table negotiating as if we're
00:17:19.240in a strong position. We have to be honest about this. And we have to say, listen, we're going to
00:17:24.760have to capitulate to some of these demands. And I don't think that they're being realistic about
00:17:30.260the actual crackdown on the fentanyl crisis. When we see super labs getting taken down by the RCMP
00:17:37.380and only the janitor is being apprehended in those cases, the case that happened in British
00:17:43.180Colombia just recently. Only one man was apprehended, arrested, and is being charged.
00:17:50.240An Indian guy, when they say it's Mexican cartels that were operating it, it doesn't lend to a good
00:17:56.900sense of Canada is cracking down on these things. It lends to more of the corruption that we've seen
00:18:03.480throughout the past 10 years or even longer in Canada. And I think this is part of what
00:18:09.580Donald Trump wants to crack down on. And again, I'm going to go back to the, you know, stick to
00:18:15.360my guns here. The first round of tariffs, the blanket 25% tariffs on Canada are punitive. And
00:18:22.080it's been very clear that this is about the border. It's about fentanyl. It's about terrorists
00:18:25.980in Canada because of our lax immigration being able to enter the United States. The second round
00:18:31.700of tariffs that hasn't even come into play, that would be trade war territory. We haven't even
00:18:36.860entered that market yet. Well, I want to jump to U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick and his
00:18:42.960response. So in an interview on Fox News Business, Lutnick said that Canada and Mexico were on the
00:18:48.600phone all day yesterday with the Trump administration and that there may be a deal yet to
00:18:54.240come. So, you know, this might not be here to stay. It might have just been a warning. Hard to make
00:19:00.000out again, but let's play that clip. Both the Mexicans and the Canadians were on the phone
00:19:05.760with me all day today trying to show that they'll do better and the president's listening because
00:19:10.180you know he's very very fair and very reasonable so i think he's going to work something out with
00:19:15.240them it's not going to be a pause none of that pause stuff but i think he's going to figure out
00:19:20.180you do more and i'll meet you in the middle some way and we're going to probably be announcing
00:19:24.460that tomorrow so somewhere in the middle will likely be the outcome the president moving with
00:19:29.700the canadians and mexicans but not all the way that's interesting i want to stick with lightning
00:19:35.280because he also criticized Justin Trudeau saying that hopefully Canadians will select a new leader
00:19:41.500and adding that the Canadians like to cheat. Let's play that clip.
00:19:46.840Trudeau was about to leave the government and obviously he should leave the government with
00:19:51.040his kind of talking. You know, he's leaving the government. Hopefully they'll elect someone who's
00:19:55.180clever, who comes down and says to Donald Trump, we want to do business with you. We want to do
00:20:00.440business fairly and we're going to get rid of all this nonsense they got a digital tax in canada
00:20:05.140they try to tax our tech companies what happened to usmca i'll tell you what happened to it the
00:20:10.180canadians like to cheat so it's really interesting because there's these two dynamics right it's like
00:20:17.060yes there's the fentanyl and and drug issue and the border issue that's something that trudeau
00:20:21.380has been weak on from the very beginning of his administration and that is the area it seems that
00:20:26.140lutnik is saying that they're on the phones and they might be able to reach a deal on those and
00:20:29.780to your point that you made about the second round of tariffs coming in april that will be more to do
00:20:34.180with like evening the playing field and noting that canadians cheat this is something that we
00:20:38.900don't really like to admit to ourselves that canadians cheat but i mean the whole concept
00:20:42.900of reciprocity and international trade is that you have equal access to one another's markets
00:20:48.580and it's just not the case that the americans have equal access to the canadian market because
00:20:53.140we have so many different taxes that we put i mean he mentioned the digital sales tax
00:20:56.820But then we also have all kinds of subsidies, we have all kinds of regulations that prevent
00:21:00.660foreign entities from operating in federally regulated spaces, be it banking, digital like
00:21:06.580telecommunication companies, airlines, there's no shortage of areas where Canada just doesn't
00:21:12.180open up its market to the Americans. And yet we expect that they should open their market to us
00:21:17.380and allow us to have access. I'll just preface this all by saying, I don't agree with what Trump
00:21:24.340is doing i think it's terrible i don't think it's a good idea for the americans to have an unstable
00:21:28.180north america i think that the americans would benefit from a better agreement leveling the
00:21:33.220playing field maybe this is just how trump wants to get there um but i you know it there there's a
00:21:38.740lot of a lot of issues that play a lot of moving parts and i think you know suggesting that maybe
00:21:43.860we'll get some relief from these tariffs uh today might be a little bit of a silver lining what do
00:21:47.700you think well first off i i want to say that this clip is indicative it really is indicative of how
00:21:54.740our government operates and how they speak out of both sides of their mouth justin trudeau comes to
00:21:59.300the canadian populace and he says listen i'm being super tough look listen to me talk about donald
00:22:05.300trump by his first name and then they get on the phone with the americans and they say listen can
00:22:12.500we can we can we fix that can we can what can we do what can we get done it they're not working
00:22:18.740on getting these things done because there's a whole structure of of of
00:22:26.420it is really corrupt here in canada and i think a lot of canadians don't want to
00:22:30.340really come to grips with that a lot of the corruption runs very deep and it would be it
00:22:34.100would expose a lot of them and this is this is why there's so much reluctance on uh on actually
00:22:39.940airing this. I mean, Sam Cooper has been bringing so much of this stuff to light and it goes to the
00:22:45.500highest levels of government. So yeah, of course, they're reluctant to make any moves on the
00:22:50.060fentanyl issue. But of course, they're going to speak different language out of both sides of
00:22:56.940their mouth, one to one audience and another to another. Well, let's move on to Donald Trump's
00:23:02.860response to all of this because, I mean, in some ways he's pouring gas on the fire by just
00:23:09.100continuing to poke and prod Trudeau. And I think every time he does this, to your point about like
00:23:14.900the 2020 panic, like it strikes fear in Canadians, and they don't like it. And it seems like that's
00:23:21.140helping the liberals in the polls. So it's almost like it's a song and dance now. But posting on
00:23:26.280True Social yesterday, President Trump said the following, he said, please explain to Governor
00:23:31.900Trudeau of Canada, that when he puts retaliatory tariff on the US, a reciprocal tariff will
00:23:37.920immediately increase by a like amount. And then he also wrote that Canada doesn't allow American
00:23:45.960banks to do business in Canada, but their banks flood the American market. Oh, that seems fair
00:23:52.180to me, doesn't it? And so first of all, just say that when it comes to Canada putting in our own
00:24:00.520reciprocal tariffs, and then Trump saying we're going to come back even harder, but then you have
00:24:04.980Howard Lucknick on the other side saying, we're going to strike a deal. It's not going to be a
00:24:07.940pause, but we're going to come to some kind of agreement. You're seeing two different messages.
00:24:11.560So I don't know if they're playing this game intentionally, like good cop, bad cop. But then
00:24:16.160Trump makes that point about how Canada doesn't allow American banks to do business. And I want
00:24:21.720to kind of zero in on that a little bit because Elon Musk jumped in on X and wrote, it's a valid
00:24:27.360point. The rules are asymmetric. And so pointing out this idea that Americans have, that Canada
00:24:34.460has access to the American banks and not vice versa. And then it's interesting, if we can show
00:24:38.520that Elon Musk ex post, he says it's a valid point, the rules are asymmetric. The community
00:24:45.660notes jumped in and slapped a community note on there, basically just saying that this is wrong.
00:24:51.580And then later they had to correct their community note. And it says clarification, American banks
00:24:56.820do business in Canada, but with restrictions, Canadian banks do not have in America. And then
00:25:03.800You can see there's a couple of links there.
00:25:06.120And so if you click on the CBC link, it says that this, that Trump falsely claims that
00:25:13.380U.S. banks aren't allowed to do business in Canada.
00:25:18.060Trump's claim isn't true, but foreign entry into Canadian bank sector is challenging.
00:25:23.740And this is supposedly a fact check on whether or not American banks are allowed to do business.
00:25:29.260This is an example, Clyde, of the CBC gaslighting Canadians, right?
00:25:33.560They say right here that they're fact-checking Donald Trump and he is false, he is wrong, that American banks are allowed to do business in Canada.
00:25:42.420But the problem is when you read the article and it explains the different rules, you can see that it's true that you don't have commercial banks in Canada.
00:25:52.940Like you can't just walk into a Wells Fargo or a Bank of America branch in Canada.
00:25:58.260The opposite is true, though. If you are in the United States, in many states, you can walk into a TD or an RBC, they have branches, you can open up a checking account, you can go and do business at a Canadian bank. In Canada, they have two different sort of types of banks. And so they're kind of making an argument that they can do that they can do business in Canada if they want to, they just have to get a different license, and it would require them to like, buy a Canadian bank, and that there is this kind of like obscure pathway for American banks to do business in Canada, they just don't want to, which is just not true.
00:26:26.160it's like we can we can walk around the country and just see that there aren't
00:26:29.760American banks here there you know you can walk into a CIBC and RBC but you
00:26:34.440can't walk into one of these American brands so to me just seems like we're
00:26:38.220not being honest about the situation we're pretending that things are there
00:26:41.700that aren't and it's just this is this is part of the problem with Canada in
00:26:45.240general we have a super protectionist country we don't allow a lot of
00:26:49.020outsiders to come in to do business we have a lot of restrictions even on
00:26:52.260Canadian businesses and then we go and pretend like we're completely innocent
00:26:55.680and it's just entirely Donald Trump and Elon Musk being crazy.
00:27:22.840Canadian banks can operate in America.
00:27:24.720it's absolutely open to them and what happens when they operate in america well td bank was
00:27:30.100fined billions of dollars for for money laundering in the united states so obviously the united
00:27:36.840states is looking at canada and going hold on a second are you a good neighbor we we've always
00:27:42.260loved you we always thought of you we thought of you as quaint innocent neighbors that are always
00:27:47.200kind and polite and as soon as we raise a little bit of a stink about what's going on you freak
00:27:53.460out on us. You lose your mind. And really, I hate to say this, but when it comes to the Canadian
00:28:00.400market, we're in such a bad position to be coming at the United States with demands. We're in a bad
00:28:07.540position to do all of this. But then when we doubly go to sporting events and we boo the
00:28:13.320national anthem when a veteran is singing and we do all of these things and we say on social media
00:28:18.860some pretty nasty things that I wouldn't even repeat on this show. What it does is it's fueling
00:28:24.500the American side. Donald Trump can come to the table and he's saying, I have the popularity
00:28:28.880right now. And with the Canadians and what they're doing, they'll allow me to make these
00:28:34.340punitive measures now. We don't even feel bad about it anymore. And that's not a position we
00:28:39.920want to be in as Canadians. And we don't want our politicians coming to the table like this.
00:28:45.080And I think Pierre Polyev, if he switched back to what his original rhetoric was, and perhaps even go down unilaterally, why the liberals can break all the rules and conservatives can't go down, go talk to Donald Trump and start talking a better game. Stop talking. Stop talking from your PR outfit out of Ottawa. We're tired of hearing it. People are sick of it. Go down there, make some moves and take the risk of upsetting people with Trump derangement syndrome.
00:29:12.860because i guarantee you when it comes down to a general election if you sound like liberal light
00:29:17.980you're going to get voted on like liberal light and it's not going to do well in the polls i agree
00:29:23.340that should be the takeaway from the last election like we tried that in 2021 and it turns out that
00:29:27.520if canadians want to elect a liberal they'll just select a liberal they won't elect a conservative
00:29:31.180talking like a liberal i do worry that trump derangement syndrome is so widespread in canada
00:29:36.560and particularly for people who watch the cbc or still get their media from the legacy media that
00:29:42.140the optics of poly of going down to try to strike a deal uh for canadians would end up costing him
00:29:48.940a chance at becoming prime minister i might be wrong on that and i think i doubt it i honestly
00:29:53.140i doubt it and the reason why i i say this like the reason why it doesn't work is because we're
00:29:58.780told it doesn't work donald trump being elected twice was said to not work and he did and he did
00:30:05.600it because he spoke truth to power he spoke truth all of the things that that americans had brewing
00:30:11.860and they were thinking, but they knew it was politically incorrect and couldn't say out loud.
00:30:16.120He came out and he said it and it was relief. It was relieving to hear somebody come out and say it.
00:30:21.860We need somebody like that in Canada. And who's it going to be? Like, obviously, we have we have
00:30:27.180Maxime Bernier saying a bunch of I don't think I don't think that that's a viable thing. I think
00:30:33.580a mainstream political candidate needs to start saying the truth. Well, I want to touch back on
00:30:39.640point that you're making about how trump has a huge mandate and right now he has the popularity
00:30:45.080and his agenda is incredibly popular so i watched last night he addressed a joint session of
00:30:51.000congress which is sort of like the state of the union for the first year in office and hearing
00:30:56.440him talk about his policy objectives and his early wins like he's already drastically reduced the
00:31:03.000number of illegal uh people walking across the border in the south i think it's down 92 percent
00:31:08.120in the first month which is just absolutely incredible um it shows you that all it really
00:31:12.040does take is political will um this idea of completely banning men from competing in women's
00:31:18.440sports and that if a school allows a man to play on a girl's team they no longer get any federal
00:31:23.800funding like really putting putting forth this agenda that that is incredibly popular that is
00:31:29.640incredibly needed and frankly so many of these policies would be happily welcomed in canada
00:31:35.320as well i think that even people in in like even americans republicans that believe in free trade
00:31:40.520and they believe in limited restrictions they're going to give trump time to see if this works
00:31:45.080like they're going to allow him to have a long long rope when it comes to tariffs even if they
00:31:49.080philosophically don't agree with terror so they don't know if this is right direction i mean the
00:31:52.600stock market is taking a real hit uh from these policies but i think that that people are are
00:31:58.760open to hearing and waiting so i want to play a few clips of president trump speaking last night
00:32:03.240addressing congress and particularly the ones that relate to canada so here is trump
00:32:08.120saying that other countries have used tariffs against us for decades and now it's our turn
00:32:13.560and i think i think this is right i think that canada does have restrictions and you know we're
00:32:18.840not we're not an innocent party here so let's play that clip if you don't make your product
00:32:25.240in america however under the trump administration you will pay a tariff and in some cases a rather
00:32:31.480large one other countries have used tariffs against us for decades and now it's our turn to
00:32:37.400start using them against those other countries and here is trump again talking about reciprocal
00:32:45.240tariffs coming into effect on april 2nd april 2nd reciprocal tariffs kick in and whatever they
00:32:54.920tariff us other countries we will tariff them that's reciprocal back and forth whatever they
00:33:02.200tax us we will tax them so that's that's his philosophy that's his idea that that is how
00:33:11.080he's going to run the government and i don't personally agree with it i don't like it i don't
00:33:15.080think it's good for canada at all but i think that you know again people are going to give him
00:33:20.600the opportunity to to try and see how it works for the american economy what do you think
00:33:25.560what's the rule of you know mutual assured destruction you know and the americans have
00:33:31.800have the ability to use this they they have a bigger weapon they have the bigger economy
00:33:36.520and to say we'll we'll put on reciprocal tariffs and the the goal in that is to remove all tariffs
00:33:44.360well that's good that that's that means easing up restrictions that means easing up so i've heard
00:33:50.200I hear a lot of people saying that this is about protectionism. This is about protectionism. This
00:33:54.440is about ending protectionism. A lot of states are a lot of like not United States, but states
00:33:59.520governments around the world have their own protectionist measures that are just ridiculous.
00:34:03.940I mean, look at Canada in 2024. We went to the British. We went to to talk with the Brits about
00:34:12.320trade negotiation, and they told us to come back when we've put our big boy pants on because we
00:34:17.720wouldn't walk away from the dairy lobby and 250% tariffs on dairy products. It's ridiculous the
00:34:25.300position that we're coming from. And yeah, we're going to get spanked now. We're in a situation
00:34:29.760where Donald Trump is coming in and he's saying, we want the same deal you got. We want things to
00:34:35.340work well for us just as it works well for you. And this is how we're going to do it. We're going
00:34:40.740to give you the same fair playing field. And if you don't like the rules that we're putting on,
00:34:46.260we'll just restrict those rules and we'll just follow back. And that's really what that comes
00:34:50.180down to. And I hope that that works. I think that that would be the rational response for Canada to
00:34:55.900say, okay, let's just stop and look at ourselves. We may not like Trump, we may not like the
00:35:01.400messenger, but some of these facts are true. And in the long run, we'd all be better off
00:35:05.420if we just had complete open access to one another's markets. Well, it's going to be
00:35:10.540difficult. It's going to be very difficult there because obviously they understand this. Every
00:35:15.420single one running for government or who is in government understands this because they're saying
00:35:20.380the same thing they're saying if you put a tariff on us we'll put a tariff back on you so it's the
00:35:25.400same thing and they and they know that the the purpose of that is to alleviate the tariffs but
00:35:30.780the problem in Canada is that there's not a lot of political will to talk about some serious issues
00:35:35.980supply management is run by a lot of politically powerful people and unless it's that's confronted
00:35:42.380we're not really going to be moving on from this story.
00:35:45.180And it's the first time that a foreign country
00:35:48.180has put this much pressure on an internal struggle
00:37:36.640workers removing American alcohol, particularly bourbon from Kentucky, from the shelves,
00:37:43.620making a big deal about it. I find this kind of funny, Clyde, because, well, we already purchased
00:37:48.560those bottles, right? The LCBO purchased those bottles. So they're taking the alcohol that they
00:37:53.840already paid for and saying that we're going to refuse to try to make any money off this product
00:37:58.980that we've already sold. I don't know what they're going to do with it. Doug Ford also threatened
00:38:02.920legislation on grocery stores. This was reported over at Juno News that they were looking to force
00:38:08.860grocery stores to label all products as whether they're Canadian or American so that consumers
00:38:15.080can choose to boycott the American products. And then this is the big one. Ford said that Ontario
00:38:22.080is prepared to escalate the trade war by imposing a 25% surcharge on electricity exports to the
00:38:28.840United States and potentially even cutting off power if President Trump moves forward with more
00:38:35.180tariffs. So this is where things get a little bit scary. Like, yes, you know, it hurts to have that
00:38:41.62025% goods and services tax. But when you start cutting off sort of like critical infrastructure
00:38:47.920and the ability for people to heat their homes, I mean, presumably, once you close that door,
00:38:52.820you can't reopen it. Like, if Ford does that, the Americans will seek another source of electricity.
00:38:57.940and even if we resolve this issue, they're never going to come back to us. And that could really
00:39:02.580permanently hurt the relationship. What do you think? Well, it absolutely would. It absolutely
00:39:06.640would. But I want to, I want to get people to push, put their emotions aside for a second
00:39:10.300and listen to the things that Doug Ford's saying. Ontario, the LCBO in Ontario is the largest
00:39:15.780purchaser of alcohol on the planet. Shouldn't that be alarming that our government is running
00:39:22.120the alcohol business it really it's it's ridiculous that one entity could be such a
00:39:28.900large supplier Canadians should be able to make their own choices but here's the problem
00:39:32.720the Ontario government is jumping in and they're making the choice for you and they're not trying
00:39:37.100to convince you of what choices you should make now it was it was famous a few a month ago a month
00:39:42.680ago Doug Ford made the same threat about the the the Starlink contract Elon Musk responded to it
00:39:49.120with i believe i'm paraphrasing but i think it was oh well yeah he doesn't care i mean a hundred
00:39:54.540million dollars in the grand scheme of things for a billionaire who has a billion you know billion
00:40:00.640dollar businesses trillion dollar businesses possibly at this point doesn't care doesn't
00:40:05.780care and and it's he's really motivated to push people towards freer markets and really at the
00:40:12.460end of the day it's ontario and it's ontario that's saying we don't have free markets we don't
00:40:18.380have free markets because we don't allow businesses, grocery stores, everything to purchase
00:40:23.280alcohol. We control all these items. So I think Ontario should take a step back and start freeing
00:40:29.640up their own personal market within the province and then having more free markets with the other
00:40:34.160provinces before they come to the table and start talking about what Donald Trump is doing
00:40:38.400on the international stage. I think they have a few lessons to learn on what free trade actually
00:40:44.240is before they start spouting off about it. I hope that that's the message they take,
00:40:48.660but I'm not super optimistic on that one, Clyde. I want to get your thoughts on this one more
00:40:53.840thing. You posted on X the other day, basically the polls showing how the Conservatives have
00:41:00.820basically blown a lead. And you wrote, this is inexcusable. Obviously, the Liberal Party wants
00:41:06.840to win, but I'm not sure when the Conservatives decided that they don't. Somebody needs to get
00:41:11.400fired. So just real quick here, what's happened in the last three months? How did the conservatives
00:41:18.620blow such a massive lead? Did they really blow it? Are the polls to be trusted? And who do you
00:41:23.800think might, who should be fired? Let me ask that. Okay. So there's a bunch of factors in this whole
00:41:30.280thing. Now, obviously the liberals, they got rid of Justin Trudeau. So they're going to climb in
00:41:34.580the polls immediately. This has been said across the country and especially in the maritime provinces
00:41:39.060where MPs were getting letters from their constituents saying, I like you, but I won't
00:41:44.880vote for you if Justin Trudeau is the leader. So they were voting for, they were polling for
00:41:49.360Pierre Polyev simply on that. So you can see a lot of the support being lost in the conservative
00:41:55.360party just based on that. Now, of course, the conservatives have come back to, you know, show
00:42:01.840that they're, they're very, you know, they're, they're friendly to liberal voters. And this is,
00:42:07.160this is a this is a it's been plaguing the conservatives in canada for decades this whole
00:42:12.500idea of is if we we have our base and we can upset our base as much as we want let's try to
00:42:19.000capitulate and be what we said earlier liberal light and i don't think that that strategy is
00:42:23.680strategy is working out for them they need to switch gears because it's happening again it's
00:42:30.340happening where they had some popularity because of a bad leadership on the liberal side but they're
00:42:34.720bringing in a new guy now if you look at it for example for the average liberal voter when when
00:42:40.320uh the liberals under carney who's gonna get in we we all know this they they had to disqualify
00:42:46.960a few people to make that happen but he's gonna be in and he's coming to the table with uh telling
00:42:53.360people he's gonna get rid of the carbon tax so obviously the conservatives have lost that
00:42:57.600messaging that was the real strong messaging that they had now they don't have that messaging because
00:43:02.720it's the same as the liberals and and then what do we have most most people are worried about
00:43:07.480the trade barriers the trade tariffs same messaging we're looking at uh you know all
00:43:13.620these different scenarios situations around canada it's a lot of the same messaging we're
00:43:18.700going to build homes we're going to do this whether the you know the liberals have taken
00:43:23.020a lot of the the conservatives messaging and the conservatives have come to the left quite a bit
00:43:28.140And they're kind of meeting in the middle. And with a populace that tends to generally vote left, it looks like that's the way they're going to go. Now, one thing to measure is if the two parties are looking very similar, what people are going to do at the polls, and I'm talking undecided voters, they're going to look at the resumes.
00:43:46.120They're going to look at the resumes of Pierre Polyev and they're going to look at the resume of Mark Carney.
00:43:50.260Now, I think Mark Carney's resume is is trash.
00:43:54.360I almost slipped a bad word out there, but I think it's it's awful.
00:43:59.200But for the average person, they would say, oh, Bank of Canada, Bank of the UK.
00:44:04.500Wow. What a what a resume has been part of all these organizations.
00:44:07.320And you have the other guy that's been a politician since he was a sophomore.
00:44:34.480So this is my guess on this. I know there's going to be a little bit of skewed data in the polls
00:44:40.300because of the pollsters writing questions in a particular way, but to see all the polls leaning
00:44:47.140this way is too much. It's not just static. It is actually moving in that direction.
00:44:52.540Well, it's interesting. I agree that Mark Carney is not the kind of leader that I want. I don't
00:44:57.020want someone who is a career civil servant, central banker involved in the World Economic
00:45:01.640forum a self-described elitist and a globalist but i can see how canadians could sort of be
00:45:07.240fooled by that especially just at first glance they don't have a lot of time to get to know
00:45:11.080them well hopefully uh you know hopefully things still change and we really appreciate
00:45:16.040clyde you uh take the time to join us today it's been a great conversation i hope to have you
00:45:19.800back on again that's clyde do something thanks so much for joining us absolutely thank you so much
00:45:24.440okay so earlier today i caught up with an independent mpp named bobby ann brady she
00:45:31.460represents the riding of haldeman nordfolk in the ontario legislative assembly i talked about her
00:45:37.900in this sort of post-election show that i did last week about how she was uh you know a great
00:45:42.580story in ontario of an independent fighter who was able to be re-elected so i was pleased to sit
00:45:47.920down with her earlier and here is what that looked like bobby ann thank you so much for joining the
00:45:54.140podcast. I said to the audience last week that I thought your victory in Haldeman Norfolk was the
00:45:59.180silver lining of a very sort of predictable, boring election. So I want you, I want to hear
00:46:04.660your perspective. Tell us what happened and how were you able as an independent member of the
00:46:09.840provincial parliament, how were you able to beat the PC machine? So beating the PC machine in 2025
00:46:17.160seemed a little bit easier than 2022. And I've told media over the past few days that
00:46:24.2402022 was different in the sense that I spent much of the campaign explaining to people
00:46:30.840what an independent looked like, what an independent could do. And people would say to me,
00:46:37.360well, good luck, right? And you didn't really know what good luck meant. And so I won by over
00:46:42.9402 000 votes in 2022 we squeaked by and i think over the past two and a half years the people
00:46:48.860of hullum and norfolk have gotten a good taste of what an independent representative can actually do
00:46:55.100and my the naysayers and my detractors will say oh you have no voice well we actually have a bigger
00:47:00.940voice in the ontario legislature because no leader no party tells me what i can and cannot say
00:47:07.260or canning or can and cannot do and the people of hullum and norfolk have really grown
00:47:11.980to embrace that and you know the money still flows into the riding so they'll say well an
00:47:17.740independent voice gets no money i'm no different than any other opposition member at queen's park
00:47:23.180no different than a liberal an ndp or a green party member and money has to flow to communities
00:47:29.100and and i said throughout this campaign you know what the best way to keep monies flowing into
00:47:33.900haldeman norfolk is to keep doug ford hungry for your vote and he will keep trying to buy it and
00:47:39.260And that messaging all resonated with the people of Haldim and Norfolk.
00:47:42.360And my goodness, they sent a very, very clear message to Doug Ford on Thursday night.
00:47:48.580Well, certainly he wasn't expecting it.
00:47:50.400The premier himself wasn't expecting it because it was just back in April where you were doing your job.
00:47:55.520You were doing what an opposition MPP has to do, what people want them to do, which is trying to hold the premier accountable, asking him tough questions, even asking him a question from the political right.
00:48:33.640By the way, you won't have a job next election.
00:48:38.460So his caucus sure liked that comment, but I'm sure he regrets saying it now because not only do you still have a job, Bobby Ann, but you won with a much stronger majority in your riding.
00:48:51.280You got 64% of the vote to the PC's 24%.
00:49:01.000Have you seen Premier Ford since your victory?
00:49:03.340And what do you think that's going to be like?
00:49:04.640No, I likely won't see the Premier until we go back for the first day. And, you know, I'm not sure. I work really hard on keeping it classy. And sometimes when those things happen like that outburst in the Ontario legislature, it's hard not to, you know, be the hockey mom and be all over that.
00:49:23.100But I, you know, I might just give him a little wave.