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00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.660 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:12.920 Coming up, hope on the horizon to get rid of the carbon tax,

00:00:16.800 why Canada is closed for business,

00:00:18.940 and the mainstream media's curious double standard on press freedom.

00:00:24.200 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.820 Hey everyone, welcome to another edition of Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show,

00:00:36.180 the Andrew Lawton Show here on True North.

00:00:38.460 The first episode of the week, it is great to have you tuned into the program

00:00:42.040 as we talk about a number of things that are happening in Canada,

00:00:45.520 all seemingly coming to a head, but with a common thread between them.

00:00:49.740 And we'll be talking later on in the show about the Tech Frontier decision to withdraw,

00:00:54.120 the so-called resolution to the blockades that are still popping up around the country,

00:00:59.800 and why Justin Trudeau should have dealt with this much sooner,

00:01:03.120 and also in a few moments about Alberta's carbon tax decision,

00:01:07.140 which is hopeful, but at the same time, not definitive champagne cork popping just yet,

00:01:13.760 and we'll explain why in a couple of moments.

00:01:16.400 But I do want to bring up this case first,

00:01:18.520 because a teacher at McMaster University,

00:01:21.540 a teaching assistant in sociology, of course,

00:01:26.080 has decided that they are going to give students class credit for joining a blockade.

00:01:32.940 This is buried in a CBC story about, quote,

00:01:36.460 indigenous solidarity protests shutting down Hamilton,

00:01:40.040 Niagara GO trains and blocking the highway.

00:01:42.740 And Sonia Hill, who's herself, it sounds like,

00:01:45.700 a mohawk from Six Nations of Grand River,

00:01:48.300 says she will be supporting them.

00:01:50.940 She says, I'm coming back tomorrow.

00:01:52.620 I'm going to bring my students,

00:01:54.280 make it a part of their credit,

00:01:56.640 their attendance to check in with me at the blockade.

00:02:00.100 Now, when she says check in,

00:02:01.340 I don't think she means just like show up with a box of Timbits,

00:02:04.240 say, hey, how are you and head back.

00:02:05.980 She's actually making it part of class credit to break the law.

00:02:10.800 And what do you want to bet that no one is going to say anything about it?

00:02:14.300 I would certainly bet that no one is going to criticize this from McMaster University.

00:02:19.660 I mean, after all, Jonathan Kaye had a great tweet the other day

00:02:23.220 where he was talking about a school that was doing a smudging ceremony,

00:02:26.540 which is an indigenous ritual where you burn,

00:02:29.520 I don't know if it's always sage or something,

00:02:31.540 but you burn herbs and you smudge, you wave it around.

00:02:34.680 And I'm not, as a Christian, going to besmirch anyone's spiritual practices,

00:02:40.080 but I will say that there is a double standard that exists

00:02:43.620 when in the case of this smudging ceremony,

00:02:47.540 people were allowed to do this when you would never be allowed

00:02:53.140 to walk through and burn incense in traditional Catholic form.

00:02:58.180 And in particular, it was about how Queen's University

00:03:00.740 is itself facilitating this.

00:03:04.020 So a public university is saying,

00:03:05.660 you're going to do this and we're doing this

00:03:08.560 and it's been approved by the fire safety coordinator

00:03:10.620 and we encourage you to be involved in it

00:03:13.560 in a way that you wouldn't with other spiritual rituals.

00:03:16.280 So you've got this double standard that's existing

00:03:19.080 between the way that an indigenous ritual or practice is viewed,

00:03:23.900 whether it's a spiritual practice or whether it's a protest,

00:03:27.620 versus the way that anyone else would be treated

00:03:30.160 for doing the exact same thing.

00:03:32.720 So we're going to see more of this as the week

00:03:35.720 and the next couple of weeks, I think, go on.

00:03:37.760 We'll talk about it later in the show,

00:03:39.060 but I had to share that first.

00:03:40.620 Class credit for joining a protest.

00:03:42.400 Here I was thinking that skipping school

00:03:44.480 gets you out of being graded for things,

00:03:46.860 but little did I know.

00:03:48.620 In any case, I want to talk about this 4-1 decision

00:03:51.620 by the Alberta Court of Appeal

00:03:54.040 to find the federal carbon tax unconstitutional.

00:03:57.860 Now, this is big news for a couple of reasons.

00:04:00.740 Firstly, of the three court decisions on the carbon tax,

00:04:05.360 this is the first one to say we are against it.

00:04:08.240 We do not believe it's constitutional.

00:04:10.340 The Ontario case, the Saskatchewan case,

00:04:13.200 both were split rulings,

00:04:14.660 but both ultimately sided with the federal government.

00:04:18.280 This was 4-1, so not a slam dunk necessarily,

00:04:22.440 but still very decisive.

00:04:24.260 And it called the legislation a Trojan horse

00:04:27.840 because it was basically finding that it's a backdoor

00:04:30.960 into the government regulating and legislating

00:04:33.940 on virtually anything under the auspices of environmentalism.

00:04:40.060 Because I was covering the Ontario carbon tax case

00:04:42.960 in April of last year, so coming up on a year ago,

00:04:46.840 and the arguments that I was seeing and hearing

00:04:49.580 from the Ontario government were very sound.

00:04:51.900 They were basically saying that if you allow the government

00:04:55.700 to hijack this, you're allowing the government

00:04:58.760 to create out of thin air issues

00:05:01.520 that it says are under federal jurisdiction.

00:05:04.340 And not that I'm a constitutional lawyer,

00:05:07.080 but as a journalist who's covered constitutional cases,

00:05:09.680 I have somewhat of a solid grasp on the issues at hand here.

00:05:14.220 And there are very specific grounds

00:05:16.800 that the federal government can claim

00:05:18.900 as its so-called heads of power,

00:05:20.660 areas where it can claim jurisdiction.

00:05:22.800 And only on six occasions have Canadian courts

00:05:27.220 granted the federal government

00:05:28.780 a new head of power, basically.

00:05:31.120 And not even in the sense of a new head of power,

00:05:33.340 but they found exceptions to these

00:05:35.720 that favor the federal government.

00:05:37.680 Only six occasions, which means it's rare,

00:05:40.300 which means it's important

00:05:41.380 to protect provincial jurisdiction.

00:05:43.920 And the Alberta Court of Appeal found this.

00:05:46.240 They found that, here's the line,

00:05:48.160 time has not eroded the province's rights

00:05:50.520 to have the powers assigned to them

00:05:52.160 under our constitution, sedulously respected.

00:05:55.780 While some may view the division of powers

00:05:57.900 as anachronistic or a barrier to uniform action

00:06:01.380 in service of a common good,

00:06:03.240 the division of powers remains key to our federal state.

00:06:07.360 It is part of the fabric of Canada itself.

00:06:10.440 The federal and provincial governments are co-equals,

00:06:13.300 each level of government being supreme within its sphere.

00:06:16.540 The federal government is not the parent,

00:06:19.360 and the provincial governments are not its children.

00:06:23.120 Now, the one thing that I found interesting

00:06:24.800 about the Alberta ruling

00:06:26.360 is that the very first section,

00:06:28.100 the very first paragraph,

00:06:29.500 was talking about how much of a threat climate change is.

00:06:32.060 They said,

00:06:32.340 calls to action to save the planet,

00:06:34.500 we all share evoke strong emotions,

00:06:36.360 and properly so.

00:06:37.680 The dangers of climate change are undoubted,

00:06:40.080 as are the risks flowing from failure

00:06:42.340 to meet the essential challenge.

00:06:44.000 It's undisputed that greenhouse gas emissions

00:06:46.300 caused by people are a course of climate change,

00:06:49.040 yada, yada, yada.

00:06:50.180 They're basically saying here

00:06:52.040 that the case is not a referendum

00:06:54.360 or a verdict on climate change itself.

00:06:56.720 Their case is not addressing the science.

00:06:58.880 They're addressing the fundamental question

00:07:00.760 of whether it is constitutional or not

00:07:04.220 for the federal government

00:07:06.180 to regulate greenhouse gas emissions

00:07:07.980 under the auspices of climate change

00:07:10.580 being a national concern.

00:07:12.240 Because remember,

00:07:13.140 the David Suzuki Foundation,

00:07:14.960 which was an intervener in all cases,

00:07:17.320 wanted the government to have license to do this

00:07:19.920 because of emergency provisions in the Constitution.

00:07:23.460 Basically, it's a national emergency.

00:07:25.540 We can suspend the Constitution.

00:07:26.820 That's what the Suzuki Foundation wanted.

00:07:30.900 And in Ontario,

00:07:32.120 the federal government actually opened the door

00:07:34.200 to saying,

00:07:34.760 yeah, we kind of agree with that

00:07:36.120 if the court finds it to have merit.

00:07:38.200 Thankfully, the court didn't find it to have merit.

00:07:41.280 But the court did find that sections one and two

00:07:44.340 of the act were, in fact, unconstitutional.

00:07:47.900 The first part of the act

00:07:49.840 is the levy on various fuels.

00:07:51.720 So that's the consumer carbon tax

00:07:53.540 that you see on fuel pumps

00:07:55.300 and home heating bills, et cetera.

00:07:57.280 Part two is the output-based limits

00:07:59.700 that you get on really large industrial emitters.

00:08:02.540 So mines, really large factories,

00:08:04.940 the oil sands, et cetera.

00:08:06.700 And all of these things,

00:08:08.440 I think, were part and parcel of a dilemma

00:08:12.360 that originally was in the political grounds.

00:08:15.220 I thought Canadians were going to reject

00:08:17.080 the carbon tax at the polls.

00:08:18.820 And I think they did in provinces

00:08:20.300 like Alberta and Saskatchewan

00:08:21.960 and Manitoba to some extent.

00:08:24.200 But Trudeau won again.

00:08:25.440 So you can't say that it was a wholesale rejection

00:08:28.240 of the carbon tax.

00:08:30.220 But what did happen is the federal government

00:08:32.720 basically decided that it was going to put

00:08:35.180 taxing for your own good

00:08:37.860 as a fundamental pillar of its identity,

00:08:43.420 of the liberal brand,

00:08:44.840 all in the name of ending climate change

00:08:46.900 when there is no direct correlation

00:08:48.620 between a carbon tax and climate change solving.

00:08:52.780 And the reason is that you have

00:08:54.700 a competitive global economy

00:08:56.100 and countries like India and China

00:08:58.540 are not going to sacrifice their output

00:09:00.800 for the same goal.

00:09:01.920 But they're the ones who are actually emitters.

00:09:05.060 They're the ones who are actually emitters.

00:09:06.740 And we talked about this last week

00:09:08.040 with Patrick Moore,

00:09:09.420 how CO2, which is under the legislation,

00:09:12.880 a greenhouse gas,

00:09:14.460 is in his view,

00:09:16.320 and he's got a PhD in this,

00:09:17.620 he's not one of these just keyboard warrior types,

00:09:20.080 is a positive for the environment.

00:09:23.140 And we talked about that.

00:09:24.040 If you haven't heard it,

00:09:24.780 go back and listen to that episode.

00:09:26.380 So I want to talk about the legal implications

00:09:29.100 and the political implications

00:09:30.740 of this carbon tax decision

00:09:33.000 from the Alberta Court of Appeal.

00:09:34.720 Joining me on the line now

00:09:35.960 is Alberta Director Franco Terrazano

00:09:38.440 from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:09:40.660 Franco, good to talk to you.

00:09:41.680 Thanks for coming on today.

00:09:43.020 Hey, anytime.

00:09:43.720 This is an important ruling

00:09:45.240 that came out yesterday,

00:09:46.140 so happy to chat about it.

00:09:47.620 And obviously after the rulings

00:09:49.760 in Ontario and Saskatchewan,

00:09:51.620 which sided with the carbon tax,

00:09:53.700 this is a particularly delightful development

00:09:56.940 in the case.

00:09:58.040 Well, this was a big win

00:09:59.200 for taxpayers in Alberta

00:10:01.060 and across Canada.

00:10:03.000 It was a 4-1 ruling

00:10:04.200 that said that the federal carbon tax

00:10:06.700 is unconstitutional.

00:10:08.580 And like you said,

00:10:09.420 it follows split decisions

00:10:11.340 that have come from Saskatchewan

00:10:13.000 and Ontario.

00:10:14.140 So clearly there's some strong legal arguments

00:10:16.800 that are being made

00:10:18.620 against the federal carbon tax.

00:10:20.760 And, you know,

00:10:21.620 it's really coming down to the wire.

00:10:23.400 In March,

00:10:23.900 we're going to be heading

00:10:24.420 to the Supreme Court.

00:10:26.180 And so far,

00:10:27.140 we've had these three cases.

00:10:28.540 We've had 15 judges hear the case

00:10:31.220 and eight have ruled

00:10:32.760 in favor of the carbon tax

00:10:34.360 and seven have ruled

00:10:35.500 that the carbon tax

00:10:36.180 is unconstitutional.

00:10:37.060 So it's really coming down

00:10:38.500 to the wire,

00:10:39.440 but taxpayers should have

00:10:40.560 a lot of optimism

00:10:41.780 heading into the final

00:10:43.000 Supreme Court case.

00:10:45.720 And it's worth noting,

00:10:47.080 you're not just approaching

00:10:48.000 this as a commentator.

00:10:49.320 The Canadian Taxpayers Federation

00:10:51.000 was an intervenor,

00:10:52.300 I think,

00:10:52.880 in all three of the cases.

00:10:54.260 And certainly that seems

00:10:55.640 to have really been

00:10:58.260 adding a development to this

00:10:59.720 that even other intervenors

00:11:01.340 in the provinces challenging weren't.

00:11:03.140 And I was wondering

00:11:03.520 if you could tell me

00:11:04.240 what the CTF position

00:11:05.920 was on that.

00:11:06.660 Absolutely.

00:11:07.080 So we've been intervening.

00:11:08.300 We've already intervened

00:11:09.160 in Saskatchewan, Ontario.

00:11:10.540 We intervene in Alberta as well.

00:11:12.780 You know,

00:11:12.920 I had the pleasure

00:11:13.820 of sitting in on the hearings

00:11:15.640 and we're also going to be intervening

00:11:16.900 in the Supreme Court as well.

00:11:18.700 And I just need to,

00:11:19.640 you know,

00:11:20.220 make this clear in Alberta

00:11:21.620 and at the Supreme Court level,

00:11:23.100 we're the only non-government

00:11:25.140 third party organization

00:11:26.420 standing up for taxpayers

00:11:27.900 and fighting against the carbon tax.

00:11:29.980 You know,

00:11:30.260 we've made a number of points.

00:11:31.720 So the first one is that,

00:11:32.760 you know,

00:11:32.880 the carbon tax

00:11:33.820 is not an environmental plan.

00:11:36.300 It is a tax plan

00:11:37.720 and the carbon tax

00:11:38.980 and the carbon tax,

00:11:40.460 you know,

00:11:40.600 is in fact a tax.

00:11:41.840 It's not a fee.

00:11:43.000 It's not a levy

00:11:43.860 or any other type

00:11:45.140 of federal creation.

00:11:46.600 And because it's a federal,

00:11:48.260 because it is a tax,

00:11:49.560 it violates

00:11:50.360 the very important principle

00:11:51.740 of no taxation

00:11:52.880 without representation

00:11:53.920 because the tax rates

00:11:55.560 aren't being voted

00:11:56.620 by members of parliament.

00:11:58.360 So because of that,

00:11:59.840 it is violating

00:12:00.840 that very important principle

00:12:02.260 of no taxation

00:12:03.120 without representation.

00:12:04.280 Well,

00:12:06.080 and that's an important aspect

00:12:07.300 of this

00:12:07.780 because we call it

00:12:08.960 a carbon tax

00:12:10.080 because it is.

00:12:11.020 And the,

00:12:11.540 in fact,

00:12:12.500 understanding that Canadians

00:12:14.020 have of it

00:12:14.660 is that it's a tax.

00:12:15.540 It's a tax on their fuel pumps,

00:12:16.920 their home heating bills,

00:12:17.820 all of these things.

00:12:18.880 It's important to note

00:12:19.780 the government actually denies

00:12:21.540 that this is a tax.

00:12:22.880 And at least in the Ontario

00:12:24.520 and Saskatchewan cases,

00:12:26.400 the courts tended

00:12:27.320 to accept that.

00:12:28.700 Yeah,

00:12:29.040 I mean,

00:12:29.320 we continue to push

00:12:30.680 that it is absolutely a tax.

00:12:33.300 It is not a levy.

00:12:34.960 It is not a fee.

00:12:36.720 And,

00:12:37.020 you know,

00:12:37.220 the ruling in

00:12:38.360 the provincial court

00:12:39.940 within Alberta

00:12:40.860 actually focused

00:12:42.000 on autonomy.

00:12:43.260 So found that

00:12:43.940 the carbon

00:12:44.700 is unconstitutional

00:12:46.940 because it,

00:12:48.540 because it's a clear

00:12:49.820 violation

00:12:50.980 of the balance of power.

00:12:52.620 So the court

00:12:53.220 in Alberta

00:12:53.640 made it clear

00:12:54.540 that natural resource

00:12:55.800 development follows

00:12:56.800 under the jurisdiction

00:12:58.620 of a province

00:12:59.600 and the federal carbon tax

00:13:00.960 is a clear violation

00:13:02.220 of this balance of power.

00:13:03.920 I mean,

00:13:04.360 the Alberta court ruling

00:13:05.800 is chock full

00:13:07.240 of reasons

00:13:08.760 why the balance of power

00:13:10.140 and the division of powers

00:13:11.320 within Canada

00:13:11.920 is extremely important

00:13:13.020 for the country to function

00:13:14.140 and so that we can keep

00:13:15.440 checks on powers

00:13:16.620 at the provincial level

00:13:17.560 and at the federal level.

00:13:19.160 And interestingly,

00:13:20.620 the court ruling

00:13:21.760 in Alberta

00:13:22.280 went so far

00:13:23.040 as to mention

00:13:23.840 or to refer

00:13:24.860 to the federal carbon tax

00:13:26.080 as Trojan,

00:13:27.140 as a type of Trojan horse

00:13:28.580 legislation

00:13:29.220 which is buried

00:13:30.720 within this.

00:13:31.840 It gives the federal government

00:13:33.320 a whole bunch of powers

00:13:35.360 that could substantially

00:13:36.560 erode provincial powers

00:13:38.320 down the road.

00:13:39.300 You know,

00:13:39.480 it just opens up

00:13:40.780 the door

00:13:41.340 for the federal government

00:13:42.460 to overstep

00:13:43.860 or to step

00:13:44.580 on provincial toes.

00:13:47.260 Yeah,

00:13:47.820 and that's huge

00:13:48.620 and that line

00:13:49.540 jumped out

00:13:50.200 to a lot of people,

00:13:51.120 myself included,

00:13:51.960 for the express reason

00:13:53.520 that the government's

00:13:55.100 whole defense here

00:13:56.160 is that anything

00:13:57.140 that is related

00:13:58.020 to greenhouse gas emissions

00:13:59.400 is an issue

00:14:00.340 of national concern

00:14:01.420 because the environment

00:14:02.360 is an issue

00:14:02.960 of national concern

00:14:04.000 and what the provinces

00:14:05.640 have been pointing out

00:14:06.660 and I'm very glad

00:14:07.560 they have

00:14:08.040 is that this would

00:14:08.720 give the government

00:14:09.420 license to regulate

00:14:10.680 anything that causes

00:14:12.740 an emission

00:14:13.740 of some kind.

00:14:14.700 So the federal government

00:14:15.520 could step in

00:14:16.120 and say

00:14:16.440 we're banning cars

00:14:17.860 or we're banning

00:14:18.920 wood stoves

00:14:19.720 or we're banning

00:14:20.420 all of these things

00:14:21.140 or we're outlawing

00:14:21.840 a certain industry

00:14:22.560 and that's where

00:14:23.860 I think the insidiousness

00:14:25.080 of this particular

00:14:26.220 tax comes in

00:14:28.000 is that it gives

00:14:28.800 the government license

00:14:29.680 to pretty much

00:14:30.360 go after you

00:14:31.240 in many more ways

00:14:32.600 than just this carbon tax.

00:14:34.220 And you know

00:14:34.480 and the judges

00:14:35.880 within the majority ruling

00:14:38.280 made that extremely clear

00:14:40.220 and they issued

00:14:41.560 many different warnings

00:14:43.100 on opening the door

00:14:44.360 to allow the federal government

00:14:45.540 these types of powers

00:14:46.900 and how they could

00:14:48.060 you know

00:14:48.300 because the matter

00:14:49.220 of the federal carbon tax

00:14:50.840 is the regulation

00:14:52.280 of GHG emissions

00:14:53.400 it opens the doors

00:14:54.360 for them to do

00:14:55.020 a whole bunch

00:14:55.780 of different things

00:14:56.500 it even talks about

00:14:57.760 how they can regulate

00:14:59.300 you know

00:14:59.560 almost every aspect

00:15:00.720 of natural resource development

00:15:02.060 of human life

00:15:03.580 in general

00:15:04.280 for example

00:15:05.580 the decision even talks

00:15:07.480 about public transit

00:15:08.380 for example

00:15:09.120 so just overstepping

00:15:10.200 in areas that are not

00:15:11.400 under the federal jurisdiction

00:15:12.660 and you know

00:15:13.920 the court

00:15:14.340 interestingly

00:15:15.000 the court

00:15:15.600 was talking about

00:15:16.920 how you know

00:15:17.300 climate change

00:15:17.920 is important

00:15:18.600 but just because

00:15:19.420 something is important

00:15:20.240 doesn't mean that

00:15:20.860 you can completely

00:15:21.520 change the constitution

00:15:23.060 and override

00:15:24.420 the true balance

00:15:25.780 of power

00:15:26.160 that your jurisdiction

00:15:27.300 has

00:15:28.060 so from a taxpayer

00:15:31.300 perspective

00:15:32.000 I guess I wanted

00:15:32.840 to ask you

00:15:33.360 whether you think

00:15:34.040 there's more

00:15:34.520 of a political issue

00:15:35.860 with the carbon tax

00:15:37.380 or a legal issue

00:15:38.260 because I think

00:15:38.960 that a lot of people

00:15:39.760 thought that

00:15:40.620 the last election

00:15:41.580 was going to be

00:15:42.320 in part a referendum

00:15:43.260 on the carbon tax

00:15:44.380 and I'm not sure

00:15:45.000 that narrative

00:15:45.580 entirely took hold

00:15:46.780 in the debate

00:15:47.840 and I mean

00:15:48.260 I would love

00:15:48.720 to see Canadians

00:15:49.520 reject this

00:15:50.300 but if it is illegal

00:15:51.120 at the same time

00:15:51.880 I'd like to see

00:15:52.480 courts reject it

00:15:53.260 well I think

00:15:53.640 I think there's both

00:15:54.440 a legal issue

00:15:55.240 and a political issue

00:15:56.280 at hand

00:15:56.680 so the legal issue

00:15:57.860 which we've already

00:15:58.540 been kind of discussing

00:15:59.460 which is outlined

00:16:00.560 fantastically

00:16:01.540 within the Alberta

00:16:02.300 Court of Appeal

00:16:03.060 in the sense

00:16:03.760 that it just

00:16:04.140 it's overstepping

00:16:05.120 the constitutional

00:16:06.000 jurisdiction

00:16:06.640 of the federal

00:16:07.180 government

00:16:07.500 so there is

00:16:08.080 a legal issue

00:16:08.780 which the court

00:16:09.940 has made clear

00:16:10.600 but there's also

00:16:11.360 let's call it

00:16:12.380 policy issue

00:16:13.300 and that policy issue

00:16:15.080 is that a federal

00:16:15.660 carbon tax

00:16:16.500 is not an

00:16:17.180 environmental plan

00:16:18.000 it is a tax plan

00:16:19.180 continuing to shoot

00:16:21.220 ourselves in the foot

00:16:22.520 in Canada

00:16:23.140 is not solving

00:16:24.220 any type of

00:16:24.980 global issue

00:16:25.640 let's just look

00:16:26.700 at British Columbia

00:16:27.400 let's just look

00:16:28.520 to our friends

00:16:29.020 in the west

00:16:29.440 and you'll see

00:16:29.900 that the carbon tax

00:16:30.880 is doing a whole lot

00:16:32.480 to bite our wallets

00:16:33.680 but really not much else

00:16:34.980 I mean BC

00:16:35.580 has the highest

00:16:36.660 but we're still

00:16:39.420 seeing emissions

00:16:40.660 going up

00:16:41.480 in Canada

00:16:42.560 we make up

00:16:43.340 about 1.6%

00:16:44.680 of global emissions

00:16:45.800 so making it

00:16:47.520 cost more money

00:16:48.640 for Grandpa Joe

00:16:50.060 and Grandma Jane

00:16:51.100 to heat their homes

00:16:52.020 isn't going to solve

00:16:53.160 this global issue

00:16:54.000 yeah that's important

00:16:56.940 and I'm going to be

00:16:57.420 talking later on

00:16:58.260 in the show

00:16:58.740 about the Tech

00:16:59.640 Frontier decision

00:17:00.660 and some of the

00:17:01.560 pipeline issues

00:17:02.820 we've had

00:17:03.420 but I think

00:17:03.940 all of these

00:17:04.620 really reiterate

00:17:06.220 an important

00:17:07.080 commonality

00:17:07.900 which is that

00:17:08.500 there's never been

00:17:09.600 a greater significance

00:17:10.620 on a country

00:17:11.260 being open

00:17:11.920 for business

00:17:12.500 and you can't do that

00:17:13.660 if you're taxing

00:17:14.960 your industries

00:17:15.640 into oblivion

00:17:16.500 which really is

00:17:17.160 where the carbon tax

00:17:18.120 tends to go

00:17:18.880 your industry

00:17:20.260 into oblivion

00:17:21.080 or regulating

00:17:22.200 your industry

00:17:22.940 to oblivion

00:17:23.700 I think we've seen

00:17:24.620 a common trend

00:17:26.120 right now

00:17:26.580 and it's that

00:17:27.040 we're making

00:17:28.400 life harder

00:17:29.220 for Canadian families

00:17:30.500 and for Canadian

00:17:31.420 businesses

00:17:32.060 but that doesn't mean

00:17:33.200 that we're helping

00:17:33.820 any type of

00:17:34.640 global environment

00:17:35.600 I mean

00:17:35.980 you know

00:17:36.580 we just heard

00:17:37.400 that tech

00:17:37.880 is withdrawing

00:17:39.400 from that major

00:17:40.180 20 billion dollar project

00:17:41.660 and that follows

00:17:42.440 a serious trend

00:17:43.380 we've already seen

00:17:44.860 because of

00:17:45.340 regulatory issues

00:17:46.240 political issues

00:17:47.280 legal issues

00:17:48.400 we've seen

00:17:48.980 the erosion

00:17:50.140 of what we could

00:17:50.900 have had

00:17:51.180 100 billion dollars

00:17:52.480 worth of

00:17:53.380 resource projects

00:17:54.980 being developed

00:17:55.560 in Canada

00:17:56.120 and you know

00:17:56.840 we just heard

00:17:57.760 about the tech thing

00:17:58.640 but recently

00:17:59.800 we've also heard

00:18:00.760 about Saudi Arabia

00:18:01.840 going forward

00:18:02.820 with you know

00:18:03.780 over 100 billion dollars

00:18:05.260 worth of investment

00:18:06.140 in developing

00:18:07.000 natural gas

00:18:08.220 or in Russia

00:18:09.360 they're talking

00:18:10.280 about over

00:18:11.420 150 billion dollar

00:18:12.980 investment

00:18:13.460 for what they're

00:18:14.440 touting as

00:18:15.140 you know

00:18:15.380 the biggest

00:18:15.960 investment

00:18:17.800 in global oil

00:18:19.320 so as Canada

00:18:20.520 continues to

00:18:21.140 shoot ourselves

00:18:21.660 in the front

00:18:22.200 we're seeing

00:18:23.100 other global players

00:18:24.600 back energy development

00:18:26.500 do you know

00:18:28.720 what happens

00:18:29.480 next in Alberta

00:18:30.940 specifically

00:18:31.620 does the carbon tax

00:18:32.780 become no longer

00:18:33.920 in force in Alberta

00:18:34.820 or does this still

00:18:35.580 have to go towards

00:18:36.400 the Supreme Court

00:18:37.220 to have something

00:18:38.180 that really binds

00:18:39.060 the federal government

00:18:40.240 well you know

00:18:41.020 there are question

00:18:42.440 marks on that front

00:18:43.920 and I think

00:18:44.840 we're just going

00:18:45.220 to have to wait

00:18:45.940 and see

00:18:46.300 because the Supreme

00:18:47.180 Court is hearing

00:18:47.960 the challenges

00:18:48.460 from Ontario

00:18:49.180 and Saskatchewan

00:18:50.100 in March

00:18:50.620 it looks

00:18:51.920 you know

00:18:52.300 so there are

00:18:52.860 question marks

00:18:53.520 but it looks

00:18:53.920 like that one

00:18:54.480 will be for

00:18:55.220 maybe not all

00:18:56.440 the marbles

00:18:56.900 but for a lot

00:18:57.720 of the marbles

00:18:58.220 all right

00:19:00.040 well we'll certainly

00:19:00.540 keep our eyes

00:19:01.100 peeled on that

00:19:01.640 thanks for your

00:19:02.120 work on this

00:19:02.840 Franco Terrazano

00:19:03.940 Alberta Director

00:19:04.960 for the Canadian

00:19:05.740 Taxpayers Federation

00:19:06.760 and good to have you

00:19:07.520 on the show

00:19:07.860 as well sir

00:19:08.380 hey thanks

00:19:08.960 for having me

00:19:09.300 on Andrew

00:19:09.620 thanks again

00:19:10.600 to Franco

00:19:11.500 so that's actually

00:19:12.780 I think a very

00:19:13.600 important thing

00:19:14.480 we ended on there

00:19:15.580 which is the

00:19:16.200 uncertainty about

00:19:17.200 where this goes

00:19:17.860 in the future

00:19:18.380 and I've had a few

00:19:19.000 questions about this

00:19:20.000 and I've talked

00:19:20.880 to a couple of lawyers

00:19:21.820 because not being

00:19:22.580 one myself

00:19:23.100 I try to avoid

00:19:24.040 giving legal advice

00:19:25.020 and it sounds

00:19:26.240 like there actually

00:19:27.040 is not a certainty

00:19:28.660 as to whether

00:19:29.680 or not this

00:19:30.640 becomes binding

00:19:32.400 immediately

00:19:33.480 so the Alberta

00:19:34.580 government can go

00:19:35.480 to I think

00:19:36.480 it's the Court

00:19:36.940 of Queen's Bench

00:19:37.660 but another court

00:19:38.400 to basically

00:19:39.160 certify the judgment

00:19:41.060 I've been told

00:19:41.820 and this could

00:19:43.280 pull the federal

00:19:44.380 carbon tax

00:19:45.040 out of Alberta

00:19:45.640 but again

00:19:46.720 the other problem

00:19:47.500 is that the Alberta

00:19:48.420 case is not

00:19:49.420 technically part

00:19:50.540 of the appeal

00:19:51.760 that's scheduled

00:19:52.660 for the Ontario

00:19:53.520 and Saskatchewan

00:19:54.400 cases before

00:19:55.580 the Supreme Court

00:19:56.400 so could the Supreme

00:19:57.260 Court delay that

00:19:58.820 and add Alberta

00:19:59.660 in could it set

00:20:01.160 a separate date

00:20:02.000 for Alberta

00:20:02.560 it seems ridiculous

00:20:03.440 when the arguments

00:20:04.220 are effectively

00:20:04.880 the same

00:20:05.400 but ultimately

00:20:06.400 this is not just

00:20:07.160 going to be

00:20:07.520 an Alberta

00:20:07.960 specific solution

00:20:09.000 this is either

00:20:09.600 going to be

00:20:10.120 a national

00:20:10.740 victory

00:20:11.600 or a national

00:20:13.740 loss

00:20:14.740 as far as

00:20:15.500 whether the

00:20:15.920 carbon tax

00:20:16.540 is constitutional

00:20:17.360 we know

00:20:18.820 that the federal

00:20:19.700 government

00:20:20.120 is not backing

00:20:20.880 down on

00:20:21.480 political grounds

00:20:22.380 so the only

00:20:23.300 real option

00:20:24.060 is to get

00:20:24.780 the Supreme Court

00:20:25.540 to say no

00:20:26.080 you cannot impose

00:20:27.340 this on provinces

00:20:28.300 now this will

00:20:29.400 not mean

00:20:29.940 I want to make

00:20:30.660 a point here

00:20:31.120 this will not mean

00:20:31.840 that provinces

00:20:32.460 can't impose

00:20:33.340 it themselves

00:20:34.100 British Columbia

00:20:35.240 is all for

00:20:35.880 a carbon tax

00:20:36.680 Manitoba

00:20:37.600 in many respects

00:20:38.360 is all for

00:20:38.920 a carbon tax

00:20:39.640 several of the

00:20:40.540 Atlantic provinces

00:20:41.400 are but it means

00:20:42.700 that for provinces

00:20:43.460 that do care

00:20:44.620 about not taxing

00:20:46.360 people like in

00:20:47.060 Ontario

00:20:47.520 Alberta

00:20:48.020 and Saskatchewan

00:20:48.960 they will not

00:20:50.260 be forced to

00:20:51.280 buy the federal

00:20:52.420 government

00:20:53.000 and that's so

00:20:53.760 key here

00:20:54.320 when we come back

00:20:55.400 we'll talk about

00:20:56.080 the closed for

00:20:56.940 business ruling

00:20:58.220 that we can put

00:20:59.240 on Canada

00:20:59.980 now that the

00:21:00.580 Tech Frontier

00:21:01.260 decision

00:21:01.680 has come down

00:21:02.760 that's coming up

00:21:03.420 on the Andrew

00:21:04.020 Lawton Show

00:21:04.540 in just a moment

00:21:05.180 stay tuned

00:21:05.880 you're tuned

00:21:08.800 in to the

00:21:09.440 Andrew Lawton

00:21:10.280 Show

00:21:10.680 welcome back

00:21:14.740 to the Andrew

00:21:15.660 Lawton Show

00:21:16.260 here on True

00:21:17.000 North

00:21:17.220 great to have

00:21:17.780 you tuned

00:21:18.320 into the

00:21:18.700 program

00:21:19.180 it brings me

00:21:20.740 no pleasure

00:21:21.980 to reach

00:21:23.280 the conclusion

00:21:24.020 that Canada

00:21:24.720 is closed

00:21:25.460 for business

00:21:26.080 we've been

00:21:26.580 talking the

00:21:27.520 last couple

00:21:28.020 of weeks

00:21:28.360 about these

00:21:28.860 rail blockades

00:21:29.820 the impact

00:21:30.440 they're having

00:21:31.040 on the Canadian

00:21:32.120 economy

00:21:32.660 even after

00:21:33.680 the government

00:21:34.180 finally decided

00:21:35.360 it was going

00:21:35.980 to shut

00:21:37.020 them down

00:21:37.640 it was too

00:21:38.720 little too

00:21:39.200 late in many

00:21:39.820 respects

00:21:40.280 because they've

00:21:41.280 already proven

00:21:41.960 that these

00:21:42.800 protesters don't

00:21:43.760 care about

00:21:44.740 the law

00:21:45.320 they don't

00:21:45.700 care about

00:21:46.080 the rule

00:21:46.480 of law

00:21:46.900 and there

00:21:47.720 was even

00:21:48.060 an op-ed

00:21:48.820 in I can't

00:21:49.320 remember what

00:21:49.660 newspaper it

00:21:50.280 was saying

00:21:50.780 stop using

00:21:51.800 the rule

00:21:52.260 of law

00:21:52.800 to oppress

00:21:53.660 indigenous

00:21:54.080 people

00:21:54.580 or something

00:21:55.060 like that

00:21:55.660 so they're

00:21:56.520 actively saying

00:21:57.620 that the rule

00:21:58.160 of law

00:21:58.600 is not

00:21:59.040 something

00:21:59.380 they legitimize

00:22:00.320 referring to

00:22:01.240 the protesters

00:22:01.940 not to

00:22:02.480 indigenous

00:22:02.840 people

00:22:03.280 I want

00:22:03.600 to make

00:22:03.820 that point

00:22:04.260 very clear

00:22:04.860 but you look

00:22:06.500 at the impact

00:22:07.240 of this

00:22:07.680 the protests

00:22:08.500 were not

00:22:09.360 just about

00:22:10.360 the coastal

00:22:11.260 gas link

00:22:11.980 pipeline

00:22:12.480 they were

00:22:13.000 about something

00:22:13.820 far more

00:22:14.420 fundamental

00:22:15.040 than that

00:22:15.640 and that

00:22:16.520 was the

00:22:17.100 idea

00:22:17.640 that all

00:22:18.780 energy

00:22:19.160 projects

00:22:19.720 all infrastructure

00:22:20.540 projects

00:22:21.220 should be

00:22:22.260 kibosh

00:22:23.080 that's what

00:22:23.500 these protesters

00:22:24.140 want

00:22:24.580 it's not

00:22:24.920 just this

00:22:25.380 one

00:22:25.660 it's every

00:22:26.600 single

00:22:27.060 pipeline

00:22:27.680 project

00:22:28.280 oil sector

00:22:29.040 project

00:22:29.620 mining

00:22:30.000 project

00:22:30.540 fracking

00:22:31.000 all of that

00:22:31.920 they don't

00:22:32.300 like any

00:22:32.820 of them

00:22:33.140 whatsoever

00:22:33.600 and this

00:22:35.680 goes hand

00:22:36.580 in hand

00:22:36.980 with the

00:22:37.340 decision

00:22:37.680 by tech

00:22:38.480 to withdraw

00:22:39.520 from the

00:22:40.760 frontier oil

00:22:41.600 sands project

00:22:42.560 tech resources

00:22:43.420 which has

00:22:44.200 had a fair

00:22:45.020 bit of

00:22:45.300 uncertainty

00:22:45.760 around this

00:22:46.440 project

00:22:46.860 for quite

00:22:47.300 a while

00:22:47.680 made the

00:22:48.460 decision

00:22:48.820 this week

00:22:49.360 in a letter

00:22:49.820 to the

00:22:50.420 government

00:22:50.760 it's

00:22:51.380 withdrawing

00:22:52.160 its

00:22:52.420 application

00:22:53.200 for

00:22:53.940 regulatory

00:22:54.480 approval

00:22:55.200 for this

00:22:55.760 project

00:22:56.300 in northern

00:22:56.920 Alberta

00:22:57.480 and they

00:22:59.200 don't use

00:23:00.020 the words

00:23:00.640 political

00:23:01.180 unrest

00:23:01.800 or political

00:23:02.400 instability

00:23:02.880 in the

00:23:04.060 letter

00:23:04.360 but they

00:23:04.760 do talk

00:23:05.380 about

00:23:05.640 uncertainty

00:23:06.420 they talk

00:23:07.600 about the

00:23:08.160 fact that

00:23:08.620 well they

00:23:08.940 don't shy

00:23:09.400 away from

00:23:09.840 controversy

00:23:10.460 necessarily

00:23:11.220 they think

00:23:12.060 there needs

00:23:12.380 to be a

00:23:12.780 dialogue

00:23:13.220 and a

00:23:13.620 conversation

00:23:14.280 and all

00:23:14.680 of that

00:23:15.060 they say

00:23:15.880 the growing

00:23:16.620 debate around

00:23:17.380 this issue

00:23:17.880 has placed

00:23:18.420 Frontier

00:23:19.080 and our

00:23:19.400 company

00:23:19.820 squarely

00:23:20.840 at the

00:23:21.160 nexus

00:23:21.500 of much

00:23:22.080 broader

00:23:22.500 issues

00:23:22.960 that need

00:23:23.700 to be

00:23:23.980 resolved

00:23:24.460 in that

00:23:25.380 context

00:23:25.980 it is now

00:23:26.580 evident

00:23:26.880 that there

00:23:27.240 is no

00:23:27.640 constructive

00:23:28.180 path

00:23:28.560 forward

00:23:28.980 for the

00:23:29.680 project

00:23:30.240 questions

00:23:31.560 about the

00:23:32.120 societal

00:23:32.520 implications

00:23:33.200 of energy

00:23:34.120 development

00:23:34.660 climate

00:23:35.280 change

00:23:35.780 and indigenous

00:23:36.520 rights

00:23:37.000 are critically

00:23:37.640 important ones

00:23:38.440 for Canada

00:23:38.980 its provinces

00:23:39.740 and indigenous

00:23:40.720 governments

00:23:41.300 to work

00:23:41.900 through

00:23:42.140 so what

00:23:42.860 tech is

00:23:43.280 saying there

00:23:43.760 if you read

00:23:44.160 between the

00:23:44.580 lines

00:23:44.960 is that

00:23:45.540 we think

00:23:46.200 there's far

00:23:46.740 too much

00:23:47.320 of a

00:23:47.680 political

00:23:48.120 dimension

00:23:48.740 to what

00:23:49.240 was supposed

00:23:49.720 to be

00:23:50.320 an economic

00:23:51.200 project

00:23:51.700 what was

00:23:52.060 supposed to

00:23:52.540 be an

00:23:52.780 energy

00:23:53.060 project

00:23:53.500 so they're

00:23:54.140 backing

00:23:54.500 away

00:23:54.940 now

00:23:55.720 you'd

00:23:56.120 think

00:23:56.440 that

00:23:56.660 if

00:23:56.900 a

00:23:57.060 company

00:23:57.440 were

00:23:57.740 to

00:23:58.020 withdraw

00:23:58.540 billions

00:23:59.140 of

00:23:59.440 dollars

00:23:59.800 from

00:24:00.040 the

00:24:00.180 Canadian

00:24:00.500 economy

00:24:01.060 the

00:24:01.600 government

00:24:02.040 would be

00:24:02.540 clamoring

00:24:03.200 for it

00:24:03.680 the government

00:24:04.120 would be

00:24:04.440 saying

00:24:04.620 wait wait wait

00:24:05.140 no no no

00:24:05.500 we can do

00:24:06.380 better

00:24:06.600 we'll fix

00:24:07.040 this

00:24:07.240 we'll fix

00:24:07.660 this

00:24:07.980 but no

00:24:08.720 the government

00:24:09.420 actually thanked

00:24:10.640 tech

00:24:11.140 tech for

00:24:11.500 doing it

00:24:12.080 when tech

00:24:13.380 withdrew

00:24:13.920 this

00:24:14.320 kissing

00:24:15.360 away

00:24:15.900 Canadian

00:24:16.880 jobs

00:24:17.420 billions

00:24:17.780 of dollars

00:24:18.320 of investment

00:24:19.360 the federal

00:24:20.840 government

00:24:21.380 said

00:24:22.040 quote

00:24:22.420 we have

00:24:23.120 been

00:24:23.260 informed

00:24:23.760 by

00:24:24.080 tech

00:24:24.380 resources

00:24:24.920 limited

00:24:25.320 that they

00:24:25.700 have

00:24:25.880 withdrawn

00:24:26.420 their

00:24:26.780 regulatory

00:24:27.260 application

00:24:28.120 for the

00:24:28.500 proposed

00:24:28.980 frontier

00:24:29.820 oil sands

00:24:30.400 project

00:24:30.880 in northern

00:24:31.400 Alberta

00:24:31.840 we

00:24:32.580 appreciate

00:24:33.280 that

00:24:33.660 tech

00:24:34.000 has

00:24:34.240 made

00:24:34.640 a

00:24:34.940 difficult

00:24:35.420 decision

00:24:36.100 we

00:24:37.400 also

00:24:37.720 recognize

00:24:38.280 tech's

00:24:38.640 leading

00:24:38.860 class

00:24:39.240 consultation

00:24:39.700 work

00:24:40.200 on this

00:24:40.500 project

00:24:40.920 yada

00:24:41.220 yada

00:24:41.440 yada

00:24:41.760 there's

00:24:42.460 no doubt

00:24:42.940 that fighting

00:24:43.460 climate change

00:24:44.120 is a global

00:24:44.620 challenge

00:24:45.160 to meet

00:24:45.720 this challenge

00:24:46.300 here in

00:24:46.720 Canada

00:24:47.080 and internationally

00:24:47.920 we need

00:24:48.380 to work

00:24:48.760 together

00:24:49.200 across

00:24:49.780 jurisdictions

00:24:50.500 and in

00:24:51.340 partnership

00:24:51.780 with the

00:24:52.440 industry

00:24:52.940 Canada

00:24:53.660 has the

00:24:54.120 innovative

00:24:54.440 spirit

00:24:55.020 talent

00:24:55.600 and know

00:24:56.120 how

00:24:56.340 to lead

00:24:56.840 the world

00:24:57.320 with the

00:24:58.000 most

00:24:58.260 environmentally

00:24:59.040 and socially

00:24:59.880 responsible

00:25:00.620 resources

00:25:01.440 there's

00:25:02.160 more to

00:25:02.680 it

00:25:02.820 but that's

00:25:03.340 a joint

00:25:03.880 statement

00:25:04.320 by

00:25:04.740 environment

00:25:05.340 minister

00:25:05.880 Jonathan

00:25:06.340 Wilkinson

00:25:07.000 and

00:25:07.680 Seamus

00:25:08.140 O'Regan

00:25:08.700 who's the

00:25:09.220 natural

00:25:09.620 resource

00:25:10.120 minister

00:25:10.720 and my

00:25:11.960 goodness

00:25:12.260 what's

00:25:12.900 happening

00:25:13.260 here is

00:25:13.920 a company

00:25:14.780 decides it

00:25:15.500 no longer

00:25:16.060 wants to do

00:25:16.680 business in

00:25:17.220 Canada

00:25:17.620 ergo

00:25:18.360 Canada

00:25:18.780 is closed

00:25:19.420 for business

00:25:20.080 and what

00:25:21.080 happens

00:25:21.580 the federal

00:25:22.640 government

00:25:23.220 basically

00:25:23.840 thanks them

00:25:24.820 there's no

00:25:25.640 well we're

00:25:26.180 disappointed

00:25:26.740 by the

00:25:27.220 decision

00:25:27.600 we understand

00:25:28.260 they're saying

00:25:28.780 yeah we

00:25:29.260 appreciate it

00:25:29.960 you guys

00:25:31.620 pulled out

00:25:32.180 so we don't

00:25:32.860 need to say

00:25:33.340 no which

00:25:33.860 we were

00:25:34.180 probably going

00:25:35.080 to do

00:25:35.460 anyway

00:25:35.880 the federal

00:25:36.680 government

00:25:37.220 got out

00:25:37.860 of having

00:25:38.340 to kiss

00:25:39.000 away

00:25:39.360 jobs

00:25:40.060 itself

00:25:40.740 because

00:25:41.100 the company

00:25:41.620 decided

00:25:42.120 you know

00:25:42.420 what

00:25:42.600 Canada

00:25:42.960 is not

00:25:43.380 exactly

00:25:43.780 a place

00:25:44.260 that we

00:25:44.860 can imagine

00:25:45.440 doing business

00:25:46.340 right now

00:25:46.860 and this is

00:25:48.440 so important

00:25:49.140 remember what

00:25:49.840 government was

00:25:50.520 prepared to do

00:25:51.300 to protect

00:25:51.800 SNC-Lavalin

00:25:52.660 jobs

00:25:53.140 remember what

00:25:54.040 government's

00:25:54.520 been prepared

00:25:55.060 to do

00:25:55.440 whenever

00:25:55.720 Quebec jobs

00:25:56.700 have been

00:25:56.940 on the line

00:25:57.540 or jobs

00:25:58.600 in various

00:25:59.420 sectors

00:25:59.940 that the

00:26:00.700 liberal cronies

00:26:01.580 are connected

00:26:02.100 with

00:26:02.360 they will

00:26:02.740 bend

00:26:03.120 over

00:26:03.500 backwards

00:26:04.060 but when

00:26:04.820 there's

00:26:05.040 oil sector

00:26:05.620 jobs

00:26:06.100 energy sector

00:26:06.820 jobs

00:26:07.280 a private

00:26:08.100 company

00:26:08.540 that's willing

00:26:09.100 to put

00:26:09.440 money down

00:26:10.140 to create

00:26:11.020 employment

00:26:11.520 and to also

00:26:12.440 contribute to

00:26:13.300 Canada's

00:26:14.020 energy

00:26:14.380 independence

00:26:14.920 what does

00:26:15.680 the federal

00:26:16.040 government

00:26:16.400 do

00:26:16.680 oh well

00:26:17.280 you know

00:26:17.980 they dither

00:26:19.700 around

00:26:20.260 until

00:26:21.160 eventually

00:26:21.740 this happens

00:26:22.560 so the

00:26:24.060 last few

00:26:24.620 weeks is

00:26:25.120 not just

00:26:26.080 about

00:26:26.580 the

00:26:27.340 coastal

00:26:27.900 gas link

00:26:28.520 pipeline

00:26:28.980 it's not

00:26:29.380 just about

00:26:30.000 the blockades

00:26:30.960 in Belleville

00:26:31.680 the blockades

00:26:32.500 in Vancouver

00:26:33.580 the blockades

00:26:34.580 in existing

00:26:35.720 territories

00:26:36.440 across the

00:26:37.440 country

00:26:37.760 where these

00:26:38.460 protesters

00:26:39.060 have set

00:26:39.540 up shop

00:26:40.000 it is

00:26:40.700 now about

00:26:41.300 every

00:26:41.780 energy

00:26:42.220 project

00:26:42.780 imaginable

00:26:43.480 because

00:26:44.060 the

00:26:44.420 government's

00:26:45.020 inaction

00:26:45.560 on this

00:26:46.040 I'm

00:26:46.760 convinced

00:26:47.260 it's

00:26:47.940 not just

00:26:48.500 about

00:26:48.740 the

00:26:48.920 protests

00:26:49.500 it's

00:26:50.240 about

00:26:50.440 the

00:26:50.640 government's

00:26:51.220 capitulation

00:26:52.060 to the

00:26:52.580 protesters

00:26:53.180 which is

00:26:54.040 effectively

00:26:54.600 what's

00:26:54.980 been

00:26:55.140 happening

00:26:55.580 for the

00:26:56.100 last

00:26:56.500 I mean

00:26:57.280 three

00:26:57.580 weeks

00:26:57.900 or so

00:26:58.320 so

00:26:59.760 by the

00:27:00.400 government

00:27:00.760 not

00:27:01.200 taking

00:27:01.620 that

00:27:01.900 seriously

00:27:02.580 any

00:27:03.340 company

00:27:03.820 that

00:27:04.060 knows

00:27:04.460 it

00:27:04.760 may

00:27:05.000 have

00:27:05.320 a

00:27:05.500 similar

00:27:05.780 situation

00:27:06.440 on its

00:27:06.840 hands

00:27:07.200 is

00:27:07.820 not

00:27:08.160 going

00:27:08.480 to

00:27:08.720 go

00:27:09.020 down

00:27:09.320 that

00:27:09.560 road

00:27:09.820 and

00:27:10.000 enter

00:27:10.300 into

00:27:10.600 a

00:27:10.840 contract

00:27:11.340 with

00:27:11.720 Canada

00:27:12.120 basically

00:27:12.700 you know

00:27:13.460 one of

00:27:13.720 the

00:27:13.840 things

00:27:14.120 that

00:27:14.440 they

00:27:14.880 say

00:27:15.220 in

00:27:15.540 their

00:27:15.880 press

00:27:16.280 release

00:27:16.660 the

00:27:16.940 tech

00:27:17.260 executives

00:27:17.760 is

00:27:18.340 that

00:27:18.500 they're

00:27:18.720 prepared

00:27:19.060 to

00:27:19.320 write

00:27:19.680 down

00:27:20.200 the

00:27:20.700 1.13

00:27:21.900 billion

00:27:22.320 dollar

00:27:22.640 carrying

00:27:23.120 value

00:27:23.700 of the

00:27:24.220 Frontier

00:27:24.680 project

00:27:25.120 so

00:27:25.640 they're

00:27:25.840 posting

00:27:26.200 a

00:27:26.380 1.13

00:27:27.080 billion

00:27:27.420 loss

00:27:28.340 right

00:27:28.620 there

00:27:28.960 because

00:27:29.660 they're

00:27:30.160 now

00:27:30.740 backing

00:27:31.340 away

00:27:31.780 from

00:27:32.380 Canada

00:27:32.800 they're

00:27:34.140 backing

00:27:34.480 away

00:27:34.720 from

00:27:34.940 Canada

00:27:35.280 and

00:27:35.780 if

00:27:35.900 you

00:27:36.000 look

00:27:36.160 at

00:27:36.240 the

00:27:36.420 volume

00:27:36.860 of

00:27:37.220 companies

00:27:37.780 that

00:27:38.360 have

00:27:38.560 decided

00:27:39.100 they

00:27:39.400 want

00:27:39.700 to

00:27:39.880 either

00:27:40.100 pull

00:27:40.380 out

00:27:40.540 of

00:27:40.680 Canada

00:27:41.000 altogether

00:27:41.540 or

00:27:42.280 companies

00:27:42.760 that

00:27:43.040 want

00:27:43.380 to

00:27:43.820 or

00:27:44.460 feel

00:27:44.840 they

00:27:45.060 have

00:27:45.420 to

00:27:45.800 relocate

00:27:46.800 from

00:27:47.020 Canada

00:27:47.500 since

00:27:48.280 Justin

00:27:48.800 Trudeau

00:27:49.360 took

00:27:49.740 office

00:27:50.240 it

00:27:50.860 is

00:27:51.040 not

00:27:51.360 an

00:27:51.580 insignificant

00:27:52.320 group

00:27:52.880 it's

00:27:53.120 not

00:27:53.280 at all

00:27:54.020 an

00:27:54.180 insignificant

00:27:54.640 group

00:27:55.040 you've

00:27:55.260 got

00:27:55.400 Encana

00:27:55.860 Kinder

00:27:56.480 Morgan

00:27:56.840 Houston

00:27:57.260 Oil

00:27:57.500 and

00:27:57.660 Gas

00:27:57.960 Conoco

00:27:58.440 Philips

00:27:58.920 Statoil

00:27:59.560 Shell

00:27:59.880 all

00:28:00.540 companies

00:28:01.000 that

00:28:01.220 in

00:28:01.360 some

00:28:01.740 way

00:28:01.980 or

00:28:02.140 another

00:28:02.400 have

00:28:02.660 divested

00:28:03.280 from

00:28:03.540 Canada

00:28:03.980 either

00:28:04.540 in

00:28:04.760 part

00:28:05.000 or

00:28:05.240 in

00:28:05.400 whole

00:28:05.700 I

00:28:06.200 mean

00:28:06.320 Encana

00:28:06.780 was

00:28:07.020 the

00:28:07.160 big

00:28:07.400 one

00:28:07.640 this

00:28:07.840 was

00:28:08.080 at

00:28:08.320 one

00:28:08.580 point

00:28:08.820 the

00:28:09.000 quintessential

00:28:09.700 Canadian

00:28:10.580 energy

00:28:11.060 success

00:28:11.540 story

00:28:12.140 and

00:28:12.760 now

00:28:13.040 it

00:28:13.300 is

00:28:13.520 Ovintiv

00:28:14.140 domiciled

00:28:14.840 in

00:28:15.020 the

00:28:15.140 US

00:28:15.440 headquartered

00:28:16.100 in

00:28:16.180 the

00:28:16.320 US

00:28:16.680 basically

00:28:17.660 writing

00:28:18.440 off

00:28:18.960 the

00:28:19.400 idea

00:28:19.780 that

00:28:20.040 Canada

00:28:20.400 can

00:28:20.680 be

00:28:20.840 a

00:28:20.980 home

00:28:21.220 that

00:28:21.400 Canada

00:28:21.700 can

00:28:21.940 be

00:28:22.080 a

00:28:22.200 place

00:28:22.480 that

00:28:23.000 invests

00:28:23.840 and

00:28:24.000 invites

00:28:24.420 capital

00:28:24.960 so

00:28:26.260 I'm

00:28:26.960 very

00:28:27.480 annoyed

00:28:28.360 with

00:28:28.780 this

00:28:29.000 because

00:28:29.280 these

00:28:29.640 are

00:28:29.800 entirely

00:28:30.480 preventable

00:28:31.240 problems

00:28:31.880 right now

00:28:32.400 that the

00:28:32.960 government

00:28:33.220 is not

00:28:33.560 just

00:28:33.760 allowing

00:28:34.160 to

00:28:34.400 happen

00:28:34.720 but

00:28:34.920 I

00:28:35.060 would

00:28:35.200 actually

00:28:35.480 say

00:28:35.760 inviting

00:28:36.380 to

00:28:36.660 happen

00:28:37.080 all

00:28:37.840 because

00:28:38.100 we've

00:28:38.400 decided

00:28:38.760 to

00:28:38.980 give

00:28:39.160 a

00:28:39.320 vocal

00:28:39.720 minority

00:28:40.400 a

00:28:40.960 de facto

00:28:41.480 veto

00:28:41.940 and

00:28:42.820 when

00:28:43.000 the

00:28:43.180 government

00:28:43.460 finally

00:28:43.860 does

00:28:44.160 decide

00:28:44.520 oh

00:28:44.700 you

00:28:44.840 know

00:28:44.940 what

00:28:45.080 we're

00:28:45.260 going

00:28:45.380 to

00:28:45.420 get

00:28:45.560 involved

00:28:45.920 in

00:28:46.120 this

00:28:46.280 it

00:28:46.680 becomes

00:28:47.100 too

00:28:47.340 little

00:28:47.560 too

00:28:51.940 the

00:28:52.460 conservative

00:28:53.080 party's

00:28:53.880 response

00:28:54.420 to

00:28:54.820 Justin

00:28:55.520 Trudeau's

00:28:55.920 handling

00:28:56.240 of

00:28:56.460 this

00:28:56.600 they

00:28:56.740 said

00:28:56.920 it's

00:28:57.060 a

00:28:57.160 weak

00:28:57.360 response

00:28:57.960 Justin

00:28:58.580 Trudeau

00:28:58.900 said

00:28:59.100 oh

00:28:59.260 no

00:28:59.360 no

00:28:59.480 no

00:28:59.500 you

00:28:59.720 don't

00:28:59.900 get

00:29:00.040 to

00:29:00.160 talk

00:29:00.440 now

00:29:00.620 you

00:29:00.760 don't

00:29:00.920 get

00:29:01.040 to

00:29:01.180 join

00:29:01.380 our

00:29:01.540 little

00:29:01.720 meeting

00:29:02.080 we

00:29:02.540 called

00:29:02.800 him

00:29:02.920 the

00:29:03.040 mean

00:29:03.200 girls

00:29:03.460 prime

00:29:03.760 minister

00:29:04.040 we

00:29:04.240 had

00:29:04.400 a

00:29:04.500 graphic

00:29:04.880 to

00:29:05.120 go

00:29:05.300 along

00:29:05.560 with

00:29:05.760 it

00:29:05.860 which

00:29:06.000 people

00:29:06.320 seem

00:29:06.880 to

00:29:07.040 like

00:29:07.320 but

00:29:08.360 I

00:29:08.460 find

00:29:08.680 it

00:29:08.800 fascinating

00:29:09.340 that

00:29:09.620 on

00:29:10.320 Wednesday

00:29:10.960 of

00:29:11.180 last

00:29:11.480 week

00:29:11.740 or

00:29:21.940 Trudeau

00:29:22.220 finally

00:29:22.700 wakes

00:29:23.580 up

00:29:23.800 to

00:29:23.940 that

00:29:24.140 same

00:29:24.520 conclusion

00:29:25.080 it's

00:29:25.800 the

00:29:25.940 right

00:29:26.160 path

00:29:26.580 it's

00:29:26.780 what

00:29:26.940 true

00:29:27.200 leadership

00:29:27.600 is

00:29:28.040 so

00:29:28.760 the

00:29:29.440 idea

00:29:29.820 is

00:29:30.060 only

00:29:30.280 a

00:29:30.440 good

00:29:30.560 idea

00:29:30.820 when

00:29:31.040 Justin

00:29:31.360 Trudeau

00:29:31.700 comes

00:29:32.020 up

00:29:32.220 with

00:29:32.400 it

00:29:32.580 but

00:29:33.120 again

00:29:33.440 I

00:29:33.600 said

00:29:33.880 last

00:29:34.200 week

00:29:34.440 and

00:29:34.600 I

00:29:34.720 hate

00:29:34.900 to

00:29:35.040 say

00:29:35.180 I

00:29:35.320 told

00:29:35.580 you

00:29:35.720 so

00:29:35.920 when

00:29:38.240 I'm

00:29:38.420 talking

00:29:38.960 to

00:29:39.140 the

00:29:39.300 liberals

00:29:39.580 they

00:29:40.340 had

00:29:41.380 no

00:29:41.660 option

00:29:42.060 it

00:29:42.220 was

00:29:42.360 always

00:29:42.800 going

00:29:43.100 to

00:29:43.280 go

00:29:43.480 this

00:29:43.740 road

00:29:44.220 which

00:29:44.740 is

00:29:44.900 why

00:29:45.180 they

00:29:45.380 needed

00:29:45.680 to

00:29:45.860 go

00:29:46.020 down

00:29:46.240 this

00:29:46.500 road

00:29:46.780 further

00:29:47.320 and

00:29:48.180 do

00:29:48.380 it

00:29:48.540 earlier

00:29:49.040 instead

00:29:49.620 of

00:29:49.860 waiting

00:29:50.200 until

00:29:50.640 they've

00:29:50.940 already

00:29:51.300 squandered

00:29:52.600 any

00:29:52.940 hope

00:29:53.280 of a

00:29:53.720 quick

00:29:54.240 resolution

00:29:55.160 to

00:29:55.440 this

00:29:55.720 so

00:29:56.920 look

00:29:57.460 I

00:29:57.700 think

00:29:57.960 there's

00:29:58.220 going

00:29:58.520 to

00:29:58.740 be

00:29:58.980 a

00:29:59.260 lot

00:29:59.520 more

00:30:00.060 of

00:30:00.920 a

00:30:01.120 problem

00:30:01.700 that

00:30:02.040 develops

00:30:02.880 here

00:30:03.240 because

00:30:04.440 Justin

00:30:04.900 Trudeau

00:30:05.200 has

00:30:05.380 showed

00:30:05.600 that

00:30:05.760 he

00:30:05.880 doesn't

00:30:06.260 actually

00:30:06.740 want

00:30:07.120 to

00:30:07.300 do

00:30:07.460 what's

00:30:07.760 necessary

00:30:08.440 to

00:30:09.020 end

00:30:09.280 these

00:30:09.540 things

00:30:09.880 and

00:30:10.740 I

00:30:10.880 think

00:30:11.100 that

00:30:11.260 the

00:30:11.460 longer

00:30:11.840 term

00:30:12.180 implications

00:30:12.800 on

00:30:13.140 business

00:30:13.580 on

00:30:13.800 industry

00:30:14.200 on

00:30:15.860 that

00:30:16.140 statement

00:30:16.680 from

00:30:17.020 Seamus

00:30:17.400 O'Regan

00:30:17.860 and

00:30:18.040 Jonathan

00:30:18.360 Wilkinson

00:30:18.920 we

00:30:19.400 appreciate

00:30:20.000 that

00:30:20.240 tech

00:30:20.520 has

00:30:20.720 made

00:30:21.100 a

00:30:21.680 difficult

00:30:22.240 decision

00:30:23.060 as a

00:30:23.800 result

00:30:24.120 cabinet

00:30:24.600 will

00:30:24.840 no

00:30:25.020 longer

00:30:25.340 be

00:30:25.520 making

00:30:25.840 a

00:30:26.040 decision

00:30:26.380 on

00:30:26.580 the

00:30:26.680 project

00:30:27.080 so

00:30:27.240 they're

00:30:27.380 saying

00:30:27.680 yeah

00:30:28.080 we

00:30:28.260 like

00:30:28.740 that

00:30:28.900 they've

00:30:29.200 done

00:30:29.380 this

00:30:29.680 so

00:30:30.120 we

00:30:30.340 don't

00:30:30.540 have

00:30:30.800 to

00:30:31.000 nowhere

00:30:32.360 in

00:30:32.800 this

00:30:33.120 is

00:30:33.840 disappointment

00:30:34.460 expressed

00:30:35.080 nowhere

00:30:35.480 in

00:30:35.920 this

00:30:36.180 is

00:30:36.760 there

00:30:37.040 a

00:30:37.300 belief

00:30:37.740 avowed

00:30:39.140 that

00:30:39.440 the

00:30:39.560 Canadian

00:30:39.860 government

00:30:40.300 wanted

00:30:40.740 this

00:30:41.000 project

00:30:41.400 in

00:30:41.600 the

00:30:41.720 first

00:30:41.940 place

00:30:42.200 any

00:30:42.640 other

00:30:42.880 time

00:30:43.180 a

00:30:43.320 company

00:30:43.620 has

00:30:43.840 closed

00:30:44.260 down

00:30:44.620 or

00:30:44.760 a

00:30:44.900 factory

00:30:45.260 has

00:30:45.500 shut

00:30:45.700 down

00:30:45.980 the

00:30:46.480 government

00:30:46.800 will

00:30:47.060 always

00:30:47.420 do

00:30:47.740 the

00:30:48.160 same

00:30:48.420 thing

00:30:48.660 they'll

00:30:48.840 send

00:30:49.040 out

00:30:49.140 a

00:30:49.280 statement

00:30:49.580 saying

00:30:49.960 we're

00:30:50.420 really

00:30:50.660 disappointed

00:30:51.200 we

00:30:51.500 want

00:30:51.760 to

00:30:51.860 work

00:30:52.060 to

00:30:52.260 fix

00:30:52.500 this

00:30:52.740 we

00:30:52.900 hope

00:30:53.360 that

00:30:53.560 we

00:30:53.700 could

00:30:53.860 fix

00:30:54.140 this

00:30:54.340 we

00:30:54.480 hope

00:30:54.720 that

00:30:54.860 we

00:30:55.000 could

00:30:55.140 save

00:30:55.360 the

00:30:55.500 jobs

00:30:55.760 there's

00:30:56.280 none

00:30:56.600 of

00:30:56.740 that

00:30:56.960 here

00:30:57.200 the

00:30:57.900 liberals

00:30:58.320 genuinely

00:30:59.220 don't

00:30:59.840 care

00:31:00.280 about

00:31:00.760 energy

00:31:01.340 sector

00:31:02.000 jobs

00:31:02.680 in

00:31:03.140 fact

00:31:03.300 the

00:31:03.460 liberal

00:31:03.700 it's

00:31:03.940 not

00:31:04.080 just

00:31:04.240 about

00:31:04.420 the

00:31:04.580 jobs

00:31:04.980 they

00:31:05.540 don't

00:31:05.840 actually

00:31:06.200 care

00:31:06.600 about

00:31:06.860 the

00:31:07.040 energy

00:31:07.360 sector

00:31:07.880 and

00:31:08.760 if

00:31:08.920 they

00:31:09.120 do

00:31:09.400 have

00:31:09.680 any

00:31:09.860 emotional

00:31:10.320 investment

00:31:10.860 to

00:31:11.160 it

00:31:11.280 it

00:31:11.680 is

00:31:11.820 a

00:31:12.000 negative

00:31:12.360 one

00:31:12.760 in

00:31:13.240 fact

00:31:13.420 indifference

00:31:14.020 might

00:31:14.340 actually

00:31:14.760 be

00:31:14.980 a

00:31:15.120 bit

00:31:15.220 of

00:31:15.320 a

00:31:15.460 step

00:31:15.700 up

00:31:15.920 from

00:31:16.360 where

00:31:16.580 the

00:31:16.780 government

00:31:17.100 is

00:31:17.400 on

00:31:17.600 this

00:31:17.800 right

00:31:18.080 now

00:31:18.440 it's

00:31:19.640 absolutely

00:31:20.280 insane

00:31:21.180 to

00:31:21.420 me

00:31:21.680 that

00:31:22.500 we

00:31:22.720 have

00:31:23.120 the

00:31:23.620 country's

00:31:24.460 largest

00:31:25.060 energy

00:31:26.760 sector

00:31:27.580 sorry

00:31:27.880 the largest

00:31:28.340 sector

00:31:28.780 in

00:31:29.000 Canada

00:31:29.760 being

00:31:30.120 energy

00:31:30.580 and

00:31:31.520 the

00:31:31.720 government

00:31:33.940 to

00:31:34.160 care

00:31:34.460 and

00:31:34.640 doesn't

00:31:34.960 want

00:31:35.280 it

00:31:35.400 to

00:31:35.620 succeed

00:31:36.100 and

00:31:36.640 in

00:31:36.820 many

00:31:37.060 cases

00:31:37.460 like

00:31:37.700 now

00:31:37.940 looks

00:31:38.200 like

00:31:38.400 it

00:31:38.520 actively

00:31:38.880 wants

00:31:39.340 it

00:31:39.460 to

00:31:39.640 fail

00:31:39.960 we

00:31:41.660 have

00:31:42.040 to

00:31:42.260 as

00:31:42.480 a

00:31:42.640 country

00:31:43.160 stand

00:31:44.500 up

00:31:44.760 against

00:31:45.120 this

00:31:45.560 we

00:31:46.160 do

00:31:46.360 because

00:31:46.920 eventually

00:31:47.380 it's

00:31:47.680 going

00:31:47.840 to

00:31:48.000 be

00:31:48.100 a

00:31:48.240 lot

00:31:48.440 more

00:31:48.680 businesses

00:31:49.100 that

00:31:49.360 are

00:31:49.460 making

00:31:49.700 the

00:31:49.900 decision

00:31:50.220 that

00:31:50.420 tech

00:31:50.660 did

00:31:50.900 which

00:31:51.360 is

00:31:51.500 to

00:31:51.640 say

00:31:51.840 that

00:31:52.000 it's

00:31:52.200 not

00:31:52.460 even

00:31:52.760 worth

00:31:53.060 trying

00:31:53.660 it's

00:31:54.640 not

00:31:54.880 even

00:31:55.100 worth

00:31:55.360 trying

00:31:55.820 to

00:31:56.000 do

00:31:56.160 stuff

00:31:56.400 in

00:31:56.560 Canada

00:31:56.880 it's

00:31:57.180 not

00:31:57.380 even

00:31:57.600 worth

00:31:57.940 it

00:31:58.140 to

00:31:58.520 have

00:31:58.780 this

00:31:59.020 dialogue

00:31:59.480 we

00:32:00.080 don't

00:32:00.300 even

00:32:00.480 want

00:32:00.780 to

00:32:00.960 engage

00:32:01.440 in

00:32:01.680 the

00:32:01.820 process

00:32:02.240 because

00:32:02.540 we

00:32:02.760 know

00:32:03.020 that

00:32:03.480 it's

00:32:03.660 going

00:32:03.860 to

00:32:04.020 be

00:32:04.180 secondary

00:32:04.600 to

00:32:04.880 this

00:32:05.080 broader

00:32:05.480 conversation

00:32:06.260 that

00:32:06.480 apparently

00:32:06.840 needs

00:32:07.100 to

00:32:07.280 happen

00:32:07.580 and

00:32:08.020 the

00:32:08.160 conversation

00:32:08.780 that

00:32:08.960 needs

00:32:09.120 to

00:32:09.260 happen

00:32:09.560 is

00:32:09.740 not

00:32:09.940 what

00:32:10.140 tech

00:32:10.360 is

00:32:10.520 saying

00:32:10.780 here

00:32:11.000 which

00:32:11.200 is

00:32:11.340 about

00:32:11.560 climate

00:32:12.100 change

00:32:12.480 and

00:32:12.600 indigenous

00:32:12.920 rights

00:32:13.380 and

00:32:13.540 reconciliation

00:32:14.140 no

00:32:15.320 the

00:32:15.740 conversation

00:32:16.460 that

00:32:16.660 needs

00:32:16.840 to

00:32:17.000 happen

00:32:17.380 is

00:32:18.140 are

00:32:18.400 we

00:32:18.580 going

00:32:18.800 to

00:32:18.920 be

00:32:26.880 and

00:32:27.320 not

00:32:27.600 selectively

00:32:28.380 but

00:32:28.860 welcomes

00:32:29.440 investment

00:32:29.980 welcomes

00:32:30.480 industry

00:32:30.900 that's

00:32:31.340 the

00:32:31.500 dialogue

00:32:31.880 that

00:32:32.180 needs

00:32:32.340 to

00:32:32.500 happen

00:32:32.780 and

00:32:33.200 that's

00:32:33.460 the

00:32:33.560 dialogue

00:32:33.900 that

00:32:34.160 is

00:32:34.300 nowhere

00:32:34.540 near

00:32:34.860 happening

00:32:35.300 in

00:32:35.820 Justin

00:32:36.120 Trudeau's

00:32:36.600 Canada

00:32:36.900 we've

00:32:37.580 got to

00:32:37.740 take a

00:32:37.980 break

00:32:38.200 when we

00:32:38.540 come

00:32:38.680 back

00:32:38.920 more

00:32:39.160 of

00:32:39.380 the

00:32:39.500 Andrew

00:32:39.720 Lawton

00:32:39.980 show

00:32:40.200 here

00:32:40.420 on

00:32:40.600 True

00:32:40.760 North

00:32:41.060 you're

00:32:42.920 tuned

00:32:43.280 in

00:32:43.580 to

00:32:43.740 the

00:32:43.920 Andrew

00:32:44.360 Lawton

00:32:44.760 show

00:32:45.140 welcome

00:32:50.080 back

00:32:50.400 so I

00:32:51.040 was

00:32:51.220 actually

00:32:51.600 on the

00:32:52.180 weekend

00:32:52.540 in

00:32:53.080 Miami

00:32:53.620 I

00:32:53.840 was

00:32:53.960 there

00:32:54.140 for

00:32:54.380 a

00:32:54.680 little

00:32:54.840 seminar

00:32:55.280 conference

00:32:55.960 sort

00:32:56.200 of

00:32:56.300 thing

00:32:56.480 and

00:32:56.580 I

00:32:56.660 had

00:32:56.760 a

00:32:56.840 lot

00:32:56.940 of

00:32:57.060 fun

00:32:57.240 and

00:32:57.860 I

00:32:58.000 had

00:32:58.240 a

00:32:58.420 bit

00:32:58.580 of

00:32:58.700 downtime

00:32:59.120 on

00:33:00.180 the

00:33:00.520 Saturday

00:33:00.880 morning

00:33:01.400 that

00:33:01.600 I

00:33:01.720 was

00:33:01.860 there

00:33:02.060 so I

00:33:02.380 decided

00:33:02.700 I

00:33:02.900 would

00:33:03.020 go

00:33:03.280 because

00:33:03.780 I've

00:33:03.960 been

00:33:04.080 told

00:33:04.420 that

00:33:04.760 Miami

00:33:05.300 is

00:33:05.820 one

00:33:06.120 of

00:33:06.240 the

00:33:06.340 greatest

00:33:06.680 bagel

00:33:07.220 places

00:33:07.780 in

00:33:08.300 the

00:33:08.580 United

00:33:08.840 States

00:33:09.220 now

00:33:09.920 I

00:33:10.240 don't

00:33:10.440 want

00:33:10.580 to

00:33:10.660 insult

00:33:10.960 the

00:33:11.160 New

00:33:11.300 Yorkers

00:33:11.880 or

00:33:12.260 Montrealers

00:33:13.120 listening

00:33:13.460 I

00:33:13.680 realize

00:33:14.000 you

00:33:14.200 guys

00:33:14.400 have

00:33:14.560 great

00:33:14.760 bagels

00:33:15.120 as

00:33:15.320 well

00:33:15.460 I

00:33:15.860 think

00:33:16.040 it's

00:33:16.200 people

00:33:16.500 from

00:33:16.880 Toronto

00:33:17.420 Montreal

00:33:17.880 and

00:33:18.100 New

00:33:18.240 York

00:33:18.440 who've

00:33:18.740 retired

00:33:19.180 to

00:33:19.780 Miami

00:33:20.180 that

00:33:20.440 have

00:33:20.580 set

00:33:20.740 up

00:33:20.900 shop

00:33:21.320 there

00:33:21.580 so

00:33:22.200 I

00:33:22.420 decided

00:33:22.800 okay

00:33:23.100 I'm

00:33:23.340 going

00:33:23.440 to

00:33:23.500 go

00:33:23.680 and

00:33:23.880 find

00:33:24.160 one

00:33:24.380 and

00:33:25.380 Miami

00:33:25.780 if

00:33:26.020 you've

00:33:26.160 never

00:33:26.340 been

00:33:26.540 there

00:33:26.740 has

00:33:27.000 a

00:33:27.180 very

00:33:27.480 sizable

00:33:28.180 Jewish

00:33:28.520 population

00:33:29.140 again

00:33:29.540 retirees

00:33:30.380 I

00:33:30.520 think

00:33:30.700 and

00:33:31.540 as

00:33:32.160 a

00:33:32.280 result

00:33:32.640 it

00:33:32.960 was

00:33:33.420 Shabbat

00:33:34.240 on

00:33:34.820 Saturday

00:33:35.160 morning

00:33:35.500 and

00:33:35.940 I

00:33:36.080 knew

00:33:36.320 this

00:33:36.740 but

00:33:37.260 I

00:33:37.420 didn't

00:33:37.780 really

00:33:38.020 make

00:33:38.340 the

00:33:38.580 connection

00:33:39.040 of

00:33:39.480 all

00:33:39.800 the

00:33:45.860 secular

00:33:46.980 owned

00:33:47.420 bagel

00:33:47.800 place

00:33:48.140 I

00:33:48.360 was

00:33:48.540 wrong

00:33:48.860 because

00:33:49.420 I

00:33:49.540 went

00:33:49.660 to

00:33:49.720 the

00:33:49.840 hotel

00:33:50.100 and

00:33:50.340 I

00:33:50.440 said

00:33:50.600 where's

00:33:50.820 the

00:33:50.940 best

00:33:51.120 bagel

00:33:51.480 and

00:33:52.600 without

00:33:52.840 hesitation

00:33:53.380 she

00:33:53.620 told me

00:33:53.940 the

00:33:54.060 name

00:33:54.200 of

00:33:54.300 this

00:33:54.420 place

00:33:54.700 and

00:33:54.860 I

00:33:54.960 said

00:33:55.100 okay

00:33:55.340 where

00:33:55.580 is

00:33:55.760 it

00:33:55.920 she

00:33:56.340 said

00:33:56.480 well

00:33:56.780 it's

00:33:57.000 you

00:33:57.060 know

00:33:57.140 it's

00:33:57.260 a

00:33:57.320 little

00:33:57.440 bit

00:33:57.600 far

00:33:58.020 you

00:33:58.820 could

00:33:58.980 walk

00:33:59.280 there

00:33:59.520 but

00:33:59.680 it's

00:33:59.840 going

00:33:59.940 to

00:34:00.020 take

00:34:00.340 you

00:34:00.480 about

00:34:00.700 half

00:34:01.300 an

00:34:01.440 hour

00:34:01.600 and

00:34:01.740 I

00:34:01.800 said

00:34:01.940 you

00:34:02.040 know

00:34:02.160 what

00:34:02.380 for

00:34:02.980 a

00:34:03.080 bagel

00:34:03.560 I

00:34:03.680 can

00:34:03.800 walk

00:34:04.040 half

00:34:04.260 an

00:34:04.380 hour

00:34:04.580 if

00:34:04.980 you've

00:34:05.140 seen

00:34:05.320 me

00:34:05.460 you

00:34:05.580 know

00:34:05.720 that

00:34:05.860 I

00:34:05.960 could

00:34:06.080 stand

00:34:06.340 to

00:34:06.480 walk

00:34:06.700 a

00:34:06.820 little

00:34:06.960 bit

00:34:07.100 more

00:34:07.300 anyway

00:34:07.640 so

00:34:08.260 I

00:34:08.420 go

00:34:08.580 there

00:34:08.860 and

00:34:09.520 as

00:34:10.080 I'm

00:34:10.300 passing

00:34:10.800 by

00:34:11.180 all

00:34:11.460 of

00:34:11.580 these

00:34:11.740 Orthodox

00:34:12.060 Jews

00:34:12.440 that

00:34:12.640 are

00:34:12.740 on

00:34:12.880 their

00:34:13.000 way

00:34:13.180 to

00:34:13.360 synagogue

00:34:13.700 it

00:34:14.260 still

00:34:14.540 doesn't

00:34:15.160 really

00:34:15.640 meet

00:34:17.340 my

00:34:17.620 mind

00:34:18.120 that

00:34:18.360 I'm

00:34:18.520 not

00:34:18.760 going

00:34:19.020 to

00:34:19.160 be

00:34:19.300 able

00:34:19.500 to

00:34:19.820 fulfill

00:34:20.540 the

00:34:20.800 quest

00:34:21.160 that

00:34:21.360 I

00:34:21.540 set

00:34:21.940 out

00:34:22.120 to

00:34:22.240 do

00:34:22.440 and

00:34:22.660 of

00:34:23.400 course

00:34:23.580 I

00:34:23.720 get

00:34:23.860 to

00:34:23.960 the

00:34:24.060 bagel

00:34:24.340 place

00:34:24.640 it's

00:34:24.800 closed

00:34:25.180 for

00:34:25.500 Shabbat

00:34:25.880 there's

00:34:26.080 nothing

00:34:26.320 around

00:34:26.680 and

00:34:26.860 I

00:34:26.980 end

00:34:27.120 up

00:34:27.240 walking

00:34:27.500 back

00:34:27.760 to

00:34:27.880 the

00:34:27.980 hotel

00:34:28.260 thankfully

00:34:29.020 I

00:34:29.380 found

00:34:29.820 a

00:34:30.360 patisserie

00:34:30.920 that

00:34:31.900 I

00:34:32.160 would

00:34:32.360 settle

00:34:32.700 for

00:34:32.980 they

00:34:33.140 didn't

00:34:33.320 have

00:34:33.480 bagels

00:34:33.820 but

00:34:33.980 they

00:34:34.100 had

00:34:34.260 coffee

00:34:34.640 and

00:34:34.780 they

00:34:34.900 had

00:34:35.060 little

00:34:35.340 French

00:34:35.960 pastries

00:34:36.420 so

00:34:36.660 when

00:34:37.300 you

00:34:37.380 go

00:34:37.480 to

00:34:37.580 Miami

00:34:37.920 you

00:34:38.340 have

00:34:38.520 to

00:34:38.600 be

00:34:38.700 very

00:34:38.920 careful

00:34:39.340 about

00:34:39.940 the

00:34:40.260 operating

00:34:40.940 hours

00:34:41.340 of

00:34:41.520 places

00:34:41.860 but

00:34:43.140 I

00:34:43.240 did

00:34:43.360 want

00:34:43.480 to

00:34:43.580 share

00:34:43.800 something

00:34:44.200 more

00:34:44.500 serious

00:34:45.000 from

00:34:45.260 this

00:34:45.440 because

00:34:45.660 I

00:34:45.860 passed

00:34:46.280 by

00:34:46.580 I

00:34:47.060 think

00:34:47.240 a

00:34:47.380 couple

00:34:47.580 of

00:34:47.740 synagogues

00:34:48.380 but

00:34:48.600 one

00:34:48.920 in

00:34:49.060 particular

00:34:49.500 stood

00:34:49.900 out

00:34:50.100 because

00:34:50.380 there

00:34:50.580 was

00:34:50.740 a

00:34:50.960 police

00:34:51.300 car

00:34:51.660 parked

00:34:52.400 out

00:34:52.620 front

00:34:53.000 of

00:34:53.580 the

00:34:53.760 synagogue

00:34:54.080 in

00:34:54.400 Miami

00:34:54.720 and

00:34:56.180 I

00:34:56.900 didn't

00:34:57.100 really

00:34:57.300 think

00:34:57.620 anything

00:34:57.900 of it

00:34:58.240 on the

00:34:58.440 way

00:34:58.620 to

00:34:58.880 the

00:34:59.040 bagel

00:34:59.320 place

00:34:59.660 because

00:34:59.900 I

00:35:00.060 just

00:35:00.220 thought

00:35:00.420 it

00:35:00.520 was

00:35:00.680 a

00:35:00.940 police

00:35:01.240 officer

00:35:01.620 parked

00:35:02.020 randomly

00:35:02.580 on

00:35:02.800 the

00:35:02.920 street

00:35:03.140 I

00:35:03.300 didn't

00:35:03.480 make

00:35:03.720 the

00:35:04.240 connection

00:35:04.620 of

00:35:04.840 where

00:35:05.000 he

00:35:05.160 was

00:35:05.460 and

00:35:06.040 on

00:35:06.140 the

00:35:06.240 way

00:35:06.420 back

00:35:06.860 I

00:35:07.100 actually

00:35:07.520 peered

00:35:07.940 into

00:35:08.400 the

00:35:08.700 synagogue

00:35:09.040 and

00:35:09.440 in

00:35:09.560 the

00:35:09.680 main

00:35:09.960 doors

00:35:10.420 I

00:35:11.160 saw

00:35:11.520 that

00:35:11.740 that

00:35:11.940 police

00:35:12.280 officer

00:35:12.700 was

00:35:12.960 actually

00:35:13.540 checking

00:35:14.860 the

00:35:15.160 people

00:35:15.460 that

00:35:15.660 were

00:35:15.840 on

00:35:16.060 their

00:35:16.240 way

00:35:16.500 in

00:35:16.840 and

00:35:17.680 had

00:35:18.100 a

00:35:18.460 list

00:35:19.580 of

00:35:19.760 some

00:35:20.000 kind

00:35:20.320 that

00:35:20.480 he

00:35:20.560 was

00:35:20.720 checking

00:35:21.000 names

00:35:21.400 off

00:35:21.700 of

00:35:21.920 and

00:35:22.200 people

00:35:22.480 were

00:35:22.680 having

00:35:22.920 their

00:35:23.120 bags

00:35:23.400 checked

00:35:23.700 and

00:35:24.480 you

00:35:24.740 know

00:35:24.840 everyone

00:35:25.100 likes

00:35:25.400 to

00:35:25.580 talk

00:35:25.820 about

00:35:25.980 American

00:35:26.400 gun

00:35:26.740 culture

00:35:27.240 but

00:35:27.440 there's

00:35:27.680 something

00:35:28.000 far

00:35:28.400 more

00:35:28.640 problematic

00:35:29.340 about

00:35:30.500 this

00:35:30.960 and

00:35:31.120 this

00:35:31.460 is

00:35:31.640 a

00:35:31.960 culture

00:35:32.380 of

00:35:32.600 anti

00:35:32.900 semitism

00:35:33.720 where

00:35:34.900 you

00:35:35.800 as a

00:35:36.240 Jewish

00:35:36.480 person

00:35:36.960 going

00:35:37.220 to

00:35:37.420 synagogue

00:35:37.760 have

00:35:38.160 this

00:35:38.360 expectation

00:35:39.120 that

00:35:39.820 something

00:35:40.240 bad

00:35:40.640 could

00:35:40.840 happen

00:35:41.220 there

00:35:41.540 more

00:35:42.340 than

00:35:42.540 I've

00:35:42.780 ever

00:35:42.960 had

00:35:43.320 in

00:35:43.500 a

00:35:43.660 church

00:35:43.920 more

00:35:44.180 than

00:35:44.400 the

00:35:44.720 people

00:35:45.060 that

00:35:45.200 I

00:35:45.320 know

00:35:45.480 in

00:35:45.620 the

00:35:45.760 US

00:35:46.080 even

00:35:46.320 in

00:35:46.600 states

00:35:47.060 that

00:35:47.280 have

00:35:47.540 a

00:35:48.000 very

00:35:48.180 sizable

00:35:48.640 gun

00:35:48.860 ownership

00:35:49.200 have

00:35:50.400 when

00:35:50.580 they

00:35:50.720 go

00:35:50.860 to

00:35:51.020 church

00:35:51.260 and

00:35:51.900 we've

00:35:52.480 all

00:35:52.740 seen

00:35:53.460 the

00:35:53.680 stories

00:35:54.120 of

00:35:54.380 why

00:35:54.820 this

00:35:55.060 is

00:35:55.200 the

00:35:55.380 case

00:35:55.740 I

00:35:55.920 mean

00:36:01.120 struck

00:36:01.500 me

00:36:01.840 was

00:36:02.220 how

00:36:02.720 dangerous

00:36:03.840 it

00:36:04.140 is

00:36:04.360 when

00:36:04.580 this

00:36:04.960 reality

00:36:06.140 becomes

00:36:06.660 the

00:36:06.860 new

00:36:07.020 normal

00:36:07.420 when

00:36:08.360 this

00:36:08.560 becomes

00:36:08.940 the

00:36:09.120 new

00:36:09.240 normal

00:36:09.540 when

00:36:09.740 a

00:36:09.860 young

00:36:10.060 person

00:36:10.480 who

00:36:10.700 goes

00:36:10.980 to

00:36:11.120 that

00:36:11.300 synagogue

00:36:11.660 doesn't

00:36:12.640 think

00:36:12.860 twice

00:36:13.280 about

00:36:13.580 it

00:36:13.720 because

00:36:13.920 that's

00:36:14.320 all

00:36:14.460 they

00:36:14.660 know

00:36:15.000 a

00:36:15.680 world

00:36:16.000 of

00:36:16.240 fear

00:36:16.500 and

00:36:17.100 my

00:36:17.320 goodness

00:36:17.640 my

00:36:18.180 sincerest

00:36:19.780 prayers

00:36:20.280 to

00:36:20.860 the

00:36:21.160 Jewish

00:36:21.440 communities

00:36:22.000 that

00:36:22.200 have

00:36:22.400 to

00:36:22.540 face

00:36:22.800 this

00:36:22.980 I

00:36:23.120 can't

00:36:23.460 even

00:36:23.600 imagine

00:36:24.020 what

00:36:24.700 it's

00:36:24.900 like

00:36:25.180 to

00:36:25.360 live

00:36:25.580 with

00:36:25.780 that

00:36:26.000 fear

00:36:26.360 all

00:36:26.980 because

00:36:27.280 of

00:36:27.760 the

00:36:27.920 pervasiveness

00:36:28.520 of

00:36:29.000 Jew

00:36:29.260 hatred

00:36:29.600 and

00:36:29.800 I

00:36:29.900 don't

00:36:30.040 have

00:36:30.240 an

00:36:30.340 answer

00:36:30.620 to

00:36:30.900 it

00:36:31.060 I

00:36:31.520 don't

00:36:31.720 have

00:36:31.960 a

00:36:32.100 resolution

00:36:32.460 I

00:36:32.860 guess

00:36:33.220 the

00:36:33.380 only

00:36:33.540 reason

00:36:33.840 I

00:36:34.020 wanted

00:36:34.180 to

00:36:34.360 share

00:36:34.540 that

00:36:34.760 story

00:36:35.180 is

00:36:35.380 because

00:36:35.720 it

00:36:36.240 was

00:36:36.420 an

00:36:36.560 eye-opening

00:36:36.960 experience

00:36:37.660 for me

00:36:38.020 to

00:36:38.200 see

00:36:38.520 not

00:36:39.320 in

00:36:39.660 the

00:36:39.980 wake

00:36:40.480 of

00:36:40.820 headlines

00:36:41.420 of

00:36:41.700 tragedies

00:36:42.260 that

00:36:42.400 have

00:36:42.520 happened

00:36:42.880 but

00:36:43.460 to

00:36:43.620 see

00:36:43.800 the

00:36:44.000 implication

00:36:44.600 and

00:36:44.940 by

00:36:45.140 extension

00:36:45.500 the

00:36:45.700 fear

00:36:46.000 because

00:36:46.320 something

00:36:46.700 like

00:36:46.980 that

00:36:47.140 comes

00:36:47.400 from

00:36:47.560 a

00:36:47.680 place

00:36:47.920 of

00:36:48.080 fear

00:36:57.280 North

00:36:57.560 America

00:36:58.000 and

00:36:58.840 just

00:36:59.220 how

00:36:59.420 sorry

00:36:59.780 I

00:37:00.000 am

00:37:00.160 to

00:37:00.280 the

00:37:00.400 Jewish

00:37:00.600 people

00:37:00.940 and

00:37:01.080 I

00:37:01.160 know

00:37:01.260 a lot

00:37:01.520 of

00:37:01.620 them

00:37:01.800 tune

00:37:02.460 into

00:37:02.640 the

00:37:02.820 show

00:37:03.060 that

00:37:03.340 that

00:37:03.520 is

00:37:03.700 what

00:37:03.960 you

00:37:04.260 have

00:37:04.460 to

00:37:04.580 contend

00:37:04.920 with

00:37:05.120 so

00:37:05.320 my

00:37:05.960 thoughts

00:37:06.280 and

00:37:06.420 prayers

00:37:06.680 with

00:37:06.900 anyone

00:37:07.220 that

00:37:07.580 has

00:37:07.780 to

00:37:07.920 do

00:37:08.060 that

00:37:08.360 and

00:37:08.800 certainly

00:37:09.440 hope

00:37:09.960 for

00:37:10.220 a

00:37:10.720 future

00:37:11.000 where

00:37:11.180 that's

00:37:11.400 no

00:37:11.540 longer

00:37:11.860 needed

00:37:12.200 when

00:37:12.820 we

00:37:12.940 come

00:37:13.080 back

00:37:13.320 we'll

00:37:13.500 wrap

00:37:13.700 things

00:37:13.940 up

00:37:14.120 here

00:37:14.280 on

00:37:14.560 the

00:37:14.680 Andrew

00:37:14.900 Lawton

00:37:15.160 show

00:37:15.420 on

00:37:15.820 True

00:37:15.980 North

00:37:16.300 You're

00:37:27.280 We

00:37:29.200 are

00:37:29.540 back

00:37:30.020 and

00:37:30.260 you

00:37:30.400 know

00:37:30.540 what

00:37:30.740 perfect

00:37:31.060 time

00:37:31.480 to

00:37:31.840 talk

00:37:32.240 about

00:37:32.460 a

00:37:32.620 double

00:37:32.900 standard

00:37:33.440 in

00:37:33.840 the

00:37:34.000 mainstream

00:37:34.440 media

00:37:34.960 one

00:37:35.660 of

00:37:35.900 several

00:37:36.360 I

00:37:36.580 think

00:37:36.740 we

00:37:36.900 can

00:37:37.080 safely

00:37:37.520 say

00:37:37.880 this

00:37:38.440 one

00:37:38.680 took

00:37:38.920 place

00:37:39.280 last

00:37:39.680 weekend

00:37:40.200 at

00:37:40.540 the

00:37:40.740 PC

00:37:41.060 Party

00:37:41.400 of

00:37:41.540 Ontario's

00:37:42.260 convention

00:37:42.760 in

00:37:43.300 I

00:37:43.440 think

00:37:43.560 Niagara

00:37:43.900 Falls

00:37:44.280 when

00:37:45.180 the

00:37:45.480 media

00:37:45.820 was

00:37:46.480 barred

00:37:47.000 from

00:37:47.380 attending

00:37:47.960 because

00:37:48.540 it

00:37:49.100 was

00:37:49.280 a

00:37:49.420 convention

00:37:49.780 about

00:37:50.080 policy

00:37:50.560 they

00:37:50.760 wanted

00:37:50.940 to

00:37:51.120 keep

00:37:51.320 it

00:37:51.420 in

00:37:51.520 the

00:37:51.660 family

00:37:52.040 as

00:37:52.740 the

00:37:52.900 convention

00:37:53.280 spokesperson

00:37:53.980 said

00:37:54.540 but

00:37:55.740 CBC

00:37:56.220 of

00:37:56.560 course

00:37:56.780 still

00:37:57.280 going

00:37:57.440 to

00:37:57.520 cover

00:37:57.740 it

00:37:57.900 from

00:37:58.060 the

00:37:58.200 perimeter

00:37:58.580 Mike

00:37:59.000 Crawley

00:37:59.660 who's

00:37:59.940 the

00:38:00.140 CBC

00:38:00.500 Queens

00:38:00.900 Park

00:38:01.180 guy

00:38:01.440 was

00:38:02.080 outside

00:38:02.600 of

00:38:02.840 the

00:38:02.960 venue

00:38:03.260 and

00:38:03.480 he

00:38:03.580 was

00:38:03.740 doing

00:38:03.960 his

00:38:04.200 stand-up

00:38:04.920 and

00:38:05.600 not

00:38:05.760 his

00:38:05.900 comedy

00:38:06.200 routine

00:38:06.560 that's

00:38:06.800 what

00:38:06.880 you

00:38:06.980 call

00:38:07.200 it

00:38:07.280 when

00:38:07.380 you

00:38:07.480 talk

00:38:07.680 to

00:38:07.800 the

00:38:07.920 camera

00:38:08.220 and

00:38:08.740 he

00:38:08.860 was

00:38:09.020 doing

00:38:09.220 this

00:38:09.440 live

00:38:10.040 as

00:38:10.540 a

00:38:10.640 matter

00:38:10.820 of

00:38:11.000 fact

00:38:11.280 and

00:38:11.700 security

00:38:12.520 guard

00:38:13.000 for

00:38:13.500 the

00:38:13.660 convention

00:38:14.080 site

00:38:14.500 decided

00:38:14.900 to

00:38:15.120 interfere

00:38:15.640 by

00:38:15.920 standing

00:38:16.340 between

00:38:16.840 Mike

00:38:17.200 and

00:38:18.140 his

00:38:18.540 camera

00:38:19.040 while

00:38:19.900 he

00:38:20.140 is

00:38:20.340 live

00:38:20.760 on

00:38:21.080 air

00:38:21.400 and

00:38:22.000 if

00:38:22.100 you're

00:38:22.220 listening

00:38:22.500 to

00:38:22.900 the

00:38:23.200 audio

00:38:23.520 of

00:38:23.680 this

00:38:23.820 podcast

00:38:24.140 or

00:38:24.420 watching

00:38:24.700 the

00:38:24.840 video

00:38:25.040 I'm

00:38:25.200 going

00:38:25.280 to

00:38:25.340 play

00:38:25.500 it

00:38:25.620 on

00:38:25.740 both

00:38:25.980 but

00:38:26.460 do

00:38:26.720 take

00:38:27.080 a

00:38:27.420 watch

00:38:27.820 or

00:38:27.960 a

00:38:28.120 listen

00:38:28.440 at

00:38:29.060 how

00:38:29.260 this

00:38:29.500 ended

00:38:29.680 up

00:38:29.900 unfolding

00:38:30.420 those

00:38:30.820 negotiations

00:38:31.380 went

00:38:31.720 on

00:38:31.940 late

00:38:32.280 last

00:38:32.740 night

00:38:33.040 and

00:38:33.460 he

00:38:33.620 was

00:38:33.920 frustrated

00:38:34.700 about

00:38:34.960 the

00:38:35.120 fact

00:38:35.340 that

00:38:35.600 the

00:38:36.140 union

00:38:36.400 was

00:38:36.720 striking

00:38:37.580 instead

00:38:38.100 of

00:38:38.320 actually

00:38:38.820 being

00:38:43.420 at the

00:38:43.900 negotiating

00:38:44.360 table

00:38:44.740 excuse

00:38:46.880 me

00:38:47.240 sorry

00:38:48.080 I'm

00:38:48.380 on

00:38:48.640 excuse

00:38:49.080 me

00:38:49.360 sorry

00:38:49.700 I'm

00:38:50.100 sorry

00:38:50.360 Vashi

00:38:50.640 there's

00:38:50.980 a

00:38:51.300 security

00:38:52.080 trying

00:38:52.560 to

00:38:52.820 stop

00:38:53.280 us

00:38:53.520 from

00:38:53.700 doing

00:38:54.420 this

00:38:54.660 report

00:38:55.080 kind

00:38:55.380 of

00:38:55.500 thing

00:38:55.680 yeah

00:38:56.260 so

00:38:56.500 the

00:38:57.000 Ontario

00:38:57.420 PC

00:38:57.680 party

00:38:57.980 is

00:38:58.180 trying

00:38:58.420 to

00:38:58.760 send

00:39:00.360 people

00:39:00.780 out

00:39:00.940 here

00:39:01.200 to

00:39:01.340 try

00:39:01.580 to

00:39:01.840 chase

00:39:02.560 this

00:39:02.740 away

00:39:02.960 it's

00:39:03.460 the

00:39:03.720 Ontario

00:39:04.060 PC

00:39:04.340 party

00:39:04.760 is

00:39:05.120 saying

00:39:05.440 that

00:39:05.780 yeah

00:39:08.200 so

00:39:08.520 the

00:39:08.660 Ontario

00:39:08.920 PC

00:39:09.120 party

00:39:09.420 is

00:39:09.560 having

00:39:09.780 this

00:39:09.980 convention

00:39:10.420 and

00:39:11.460 they're

00:39:11.960 saying

00:39:12.380 that

00:39:12.700 media

00:39:14.080 are

00:39:14.320 not

00:39:14.520 allowed

00:39:14.980 we

00:39:15.240 weren't

00:39:15.440 allowed

00:39:15.680 inside

00:39:16.200 now

00:39:16.640 they're

00:39:17.140 actually

00:39:17.500 in

00:39:17.980 the

00:39:18.140 process

00:39:18.460 of

00:39:18.780 trying

00:39:19.060 to

00:39:19.400 chase

00:39:19.940 us

00:39:20.100 away

00:39:20.280 from

00:39:20.460 being

00:39:20.680 outside

00:39:21.060 on

00:39:21.240 the

00:39:21.400 sidewalk

00:39:21.780 do

00:39:22.400 you

00:39:22.460 want

00:39:22.640 us

00:39:22.840 to

00:39:23.160 stay

00:39:23.500 with

00:39:23.740 you

00:39:23.880 or

00:39:24.020 do

00:39:24.140 you

00:39:24.240 want

00:39:24.360 to

00:39:24.520 take

00:39:24.720 a

00:39:25.160 do

00:39:25.400 you

00:39:25.420 want

00:39:25.520 to

00:39:25.600 take

00:39:25.740 a

00:39:25.840 minute

00:39:25.960 to

00:39:26.100 move

00:39:26.360 somewhere

00:39:26.680 else

00:39:26.920 yeah

00:39:29.140 so

00:39:29.660 so

00:39:32.920 if I

00:39:33.120 can get

00:39:33.240 you

00:39:33.340 gentlemen

00:39:33.580 to

00:39:33.880 make

00:39:34.120 your way

00:39:34.340 off

00:39:34.500 or

00:39:34.600 trespass

00:39:35.160 please

00:39:35.460 thank

00:39:35.960 you

00:39:36.160 we

00:39:37.960 got

00:39:42.020 two

00:39:42.380 choices

00:39:42.660 gentlemen

00:39:43.040 leave

00:39:43.600 peacefully

00:39:44.000 or

00:39:44.380 trespass

00:39:44.920 there's

00:39:47.260 no

00:39:47.500 signs

00:39:47.960 out

00:39:48.160 here

00:39:48.300 telling

00:39:48.600 me

00:39:48.840 yes

00:39:52.780 okay

00:39:54.300 so

00:39:54.540 back

00:39:54.940 to

00:39:55.260 what

00:39:55.640 the

00:39:55.780 education

00:39:56.140 minister

00:39:56.480 had

00:39:56.740 to

00:39:56.880 say

00:39:57.040 about

00:39:57.420 hi

00:39:59.780 so

00:40:00.240 so

00:40:00.840 I think

00:40:01.360 that's

00:40:01.560 certainly

00:40:01.860 evidence

00:40:02.300 of the

00:40:02.540 fact

00:40:02.760 that

00:40:02.900 the

00:40:03.020 show

00:40:03.260 does

00:40:03.640 in

00:40:03.820 fact

00:40:04.060 go

00:40:04.320 on

00:40:04.660 when

00:40:04.840 you're

00:40:05.020 alive

00:40:05.340 you

00:40:05.500 have

00:40:05.700 to

00:40:05.820 just

00:40:05.980 roll

00:40:06.200 with

00:40:06.360 the

00:40:06.460 punches

00:40:06.700 and

00:40:06.920 do

00:40:07.060 it

00:40:07.200 and

00:40:07.740 a

00:40:07.980 couple

00:40:08.160 of

00:40:08.300 moments

00:40:08.620 later

00:40:09.000 I

00:40:09.140 didn't

00:40:09.280 play

00:40:09.440 the

00:40:09.600 full

00:40:09.780 thing

00:40:10.080 a

00:40:10.820 spokesperson

00:40:11.460 for

00:40:12.000 the

00:40:12.140 party

00:40:12.520 had

00:40:12.900 or

00:40:13.000 a

00:40:13.140 representative

00:40:13.560 of

00:40:13.760 the

00:40:13.860 party

00:40:14.100 had

00:40:14.300 stuck

00:40:14.540 her

00:40:14.660 head

00:40:14.820 out

00:40:14.960 the

00:40:15.080 window

00:40:15.340 and

00:40:15.580 told

00:40:15.760 the

00:40:15.940 security

00:40:16.280 guard

00:40:16.620 to

00:40:17.080 stand

00:40:17.400 down

00:40:17.680 the

00:40:18.060 security

00:40:18.540 company

00:40:19.040 then

00:40:19.360 tried

00:40:19.640 to

00:40:19.760 throw

00:40:19.880 the

00:40:20.020 PC

00:40:20.300 party

00:40:20.660 under

00:40:20.880 the

00:40:21.020 bus

00:40:21.240 but

00:40:21.400 the

00:40:21.520 PC

00:40:21.800 said

00:40:22.200 no

00:40:22.380 no

00:40:22.480 no

00:40:22.560 we

00:40:22.700 never

00:40:22.920 told

00:40:23.200 them

00:40:23.320 to

00:40:23.460 stop

00:40:23.720 people

00:40:24.080 outside

00:40:24.860 we

00:40:25.300 just

00:40:25.500 told

00:40:25.740 them

00:40:25.920 that

00:40:26.220 media

00:40:26.760 are

00:40:26.960 not

00:40:27.180 permitted

00:40:27.520 inside

00:40:28.220 so

00:40:28.920 I'm

00:40:29.320 on

00:40:29.580 team

00:40:30.040 Crawley

00:40:30.520 here

00:40:30.740 I

00:40:30.900 think

00:40:31.280 that

00:40:31.440 if

00:40:31.560 you're

00:40:31.740 going

00:40:31.860 to

00:40:31.900 be

00:40:32.040 covering

00:40:32.360 an

00:40:32.600 event

00:40:32.880 from

00:40:33.440 outside

00:40:33.920 the

00:40:34.120 building

00:40:34.400 you

00:40:34.640 can

00:40:34.840 do

00:40:44.820 legal

00:40:45.340 rights

00:40:46.040 to

00:40:46.520 deny

00:40:47.040 media

00:40:47.580 access

00:40:48.080 they

00:40:48.480 should

00:40:48.920 not

00:40:49.280 do

00:40:49.580 it

00:40:49.840 they

00:40:50.520 should

00:40:50.920 allow

00:40:51.280 media

00:40:51.660 in

00:40:51.980 I'm

00:40:52.520 a

00:40:52.680 firm

00:40:52.880 believer

00:40:53.240 in

00:40:53.500 that

00:40:53.700 but

00:40:54.800 this

00:40:55.020 is

00:40:55.160 all

00:40:55.340 too

00:40:55.520 familiar

00:40:55.880 for

00:40:56.120 me

00:40:56.260 because

00:40:56.560 during

00:40:56.920 the

00:40:57.140 last

00:40:57.380 federal

00:40:57.660 election

00:40:58.040 campaign

00:40:58.460 I

00:40:59.000 was

00:40:59.200 relegated

00:40:59.720 to

00:40:59.920 cover

00:41:00.160 every

00:41:00.600 single

00:41:01.140 liberal

00:41:01.560 event

00:41:02.000 from

00:41:02.580 the

00:41:02.820 sidewalk

00:41:03.220 I

00:41:03.560 was

00:41:03.800 forced

00:41:05.240 to

00:41:05.480 because

00:41:05.740 the

00:41:05.960 liberals

00:41:06.200 were

00:41:06.400 not

00:41:06.580 letting

00:41:06.780 me

00:41:06.920 cover

00:41:07.160 their

00:41:07.380 events

00:41:07.660 they

00:41:08.120 weren't

00:41:08.340 letting

00:41:08.540 me

00:41:08.680 on

00:41:08.820 the

00:41:08.960 liberal

00:41:09.200 plane

00:41:09.580 they

00:41:09.780 weren't

00:41:10.020 letting

00:41:10.240 me

00:41:10.440 do

00:41:10.640 my

00:41:10.980 job

00:41:11.520 so

00:41:11.960 I

00:41:12.160 was

00:41:12.340 forced

00:41:12.600 to

00:41:12.760 cover

00:41:12.940 from

00:41:13.160 sidewalks

00:41:13.800 and

00:41:14.080 thankfully

00:41:14.460 I

00:41:14.680 was

00:41:14.840 never

00:41:15.060 removed

00:41:15.500 from

00:41:15.760 a

00:41:15.920 sidewalk

00:41:16.340 I

00:41:16.620 was

00:41:16.800 removed

00:41:17.140 from

00:41:17.660 Lakehead

00:41:18.560 University

00:41:19.240 in

00:41:19.460 Thunder

00:41:19.700 Bay

00:41:19.960 I

00:41:20.180 was

00:41:20.360 removed

00:41:20.800 from

00:41:21.340 the

00:41:21.580 road

00:41:21.960 in

00:41:22.220 Hamilton

00:41:22.600 when

00:41:22.880 I

00:41:22.980 was

00:41:23.140 pulled

00:41:23.320 over

00:41:23.580 by

00:41:23.840 police

00:41:24.260 officers

00:41:24.740 I've

00:41:25.380 been

00:41:25.680 harassed

00:41:26.920 but

00:41:27.120 I've

00:41:27.360 never

00:41:27.640 been

00:41:28.000 told

00:41:28.480 to

00:41:28.840 leave

00:41:29.160 the

00:41:29.480 sidewalk

00:41:29.980 because

00:41:30.400 that's

00:41:30.760 the

00:41:31.100 only

00:41:31.300 place

00:41:31.640 they

00:41:31.820 actually

00:41:32.180 wanted

00:41:32.540 me

00:41:32.800 and

00:41:33.460 you

00:41:33.720 know

00:41:33.860 what

00:41:34.040 when

00:41:34.220 this

00:41:34.440 was

00:41:34.620 all

00:41:34.840 going

00:41:35.160 on

00:41:35.540 I

00:41:36.080 didn't

00:41:36.340 hear

00:41:36.560 from

00:41:36.860 Mike

00:41:37.140 Crawley

00:41:38.060 I

00:41:38.280 didn't

00:41:38.540 hear

00:41:38.820 from

00:41:39.180 all

00:41:39.500 of

00:41:39.640 the

00:41:39.780 CBC

00:41:40.140 reporters

00:41:40.720 that

00:41:41.300 were

00:41:41.440 saying

00:41:41.700 oh

00:41:41.880 my

00:41:42.060 goodness

00:41:42.380 Mike

00:41:42.680 how

00:41:42.880 dare

00:41:43.180 you

00:41:43.380 or

00:41:43.760 how

00:41:43.920 dare

00:41:44.160 they

00:41:44.320 do

00:41:44.520 this

00:41:44.700 to

00:41:44.860 you

00:41:45.000 and

00:41:45.140 this

00:41:45.280 is

00:41:45.400 all

00:41:45.560 about

00:41:45.740 press

00:41:46.040 freedom

00:41:46.340 and

00:41:46.480 all

00:41:46.620 of

00:41:46.720 this

00:41:46.840 I

00:41:47.000 didn't

00:41:47.220 hear

00:41:47.400 from

00:41:47.600 any

00:41:47.780 of

00:41:47.900 the

00:41:48.000 mainstream

00:41:48.380 media

00:41:48.800 reporters

00:41:49.340 who

00:41:49.860 are

00:41:50.100 jumping

00:41:50.420 up

00:41:50.640 and

00:41:50.760 down

00:41:51.020 saying

00:41:51.360 this

00:41:51.680 is

00:41:51.820 an

00:41:51.940 attack

00:41:52.280 on

00:41:52.440 the

00:41:52.560 free

00:41:52.740 press

00:41:53.060 now

00:41:53.680 I

00:41:54.100 defend

00:41:54.680 their

00:41:54.980 free

00:41:55.280 press

00:41:55.660 even

00:41:55.960 if

00:41:56.120 I

00:41:56.240 don't

00:41:56.460 like

00:41:56.720 the

00:41:56.900 coverage

00:41:57.280 that

00:41:57.500 some

00:41:57.700 of

00:41:57.800 them

00:41:57.880 put

00:41:58.080 forward

00:41:58.500 but

00:41:59.140 for

00:41:59.380 me

00:41:59.600 it

00:41:59.840 was

00:42:00.020 that

00:42:00.280 we

00:42:00.540 don't

00:42:00.740 like

00:42:00.980 him

00:42:01.120 we're

00:42:01.300 going

00:42:01.520 to

00:42:01.680 stay

00:42:01.900 completely

00:42:02.440 silent

00:42:03.020 and

00:42:04.140 it

00:42:04.240 hasn't

00:42:04.540 always

00:42:04.820 been

00:42:05.040 that

00:42:05.280 way

00:42:05.540 because

00:42:06.120 when

00:42:06.300 I

00:42:06.420 was

00:42:06.600 in

00:42:06.760 London

00:42:07.000 England

00:42:07.340 in

00:42:07.700 July

00:42:08.100 at

00:42:08.340 the

00:42:08.460 global

00:42:08.740 conference

00:42:09.240 for

00:42:09.460 media

00:42:09.720 freedom

00:42:10.140 Christian

00:42:10.800 Freeland's

00:42:11.400 office

00:42:11.620 tried

00:42:11.980 to

00:42:12.180 bar

00:42:12.440 me

00:42:12.620 from

00:42:12.860 a

00:42:21.940 North

00:42:22.120 and

00:42:22.400 Sheila

00:42:22.680 Gunn-Reed

00:42:23.140 from

00:42:23.400 Rebel

00:42:23.740 Inn

00:42:24.040 because

00:42:24.300 we

00:42:24.480 were

00:42:24.620 the

00:42:24.760 two

00:42:24.980 they

00:42:25.540 were

00:42:25.680 trying

00:42:26.000 to

00:42:26.260 bar

00:42:26.680 and

00:42:27.500 I

00:42:27.800 was

00:42:28.020 so

00:42:28.340 moved

00:42:28.820 in

00:42:29.040 that

00:42:29.260 moment

00:42:29.620 that

00:42:29.800 the

00:42:29.940 media

00:42:30.180 took

00:42:30.420 a

00:42:30.580 stand

00:42:30.880 on

00:42:31.180 principle

00:42:31.620 at

00:42:31.940 a

00:42:32.060 media

00:42:32.320 freedom

00:42:32.700 conference

00:42:33.160 and

00:42:33.380 I'm

00:42:33.520 still

00:42:33.780 very

00:42:34.420 grateful

00:42:34.900 for

00:42:35.260 those

00:42:35.580 reporters

00:42:36.040 there

00:42:36.420 for

00:42:37.040 doing

00:42:37.320 that

00:42:37.640 but

00:42:38.400 that

00:42:38.700 didn't

00:42:39.060 happen

00:42:39.460 during

00:42:39.820 the

00:42:40.040 federal

00:42:40.300 election

00:42:40.760 campaign

00:42:41.240 they

00:42:41.440 were

00:42:41.620 silent

00:42:42.260 with

00:42:42.860 a few

00:42:43.160 exceptions

00:42:43.680 the

00:42:43.980 few

00:42:44.140 people

00:42:44.400 that

00:42:44.540 did

00:42:44.680 speak

00:42:44.960 up

00:42:45.140 we're

00:42:45.320 usually

00:42:45.660 doing

00:42:45.960 it

00:42:46.120 to

00:42:46.320 be

00:42:46.600 mocking

00:42:47.060 or

00:42:47.320 snide

00:42:47.820 apart

00:42:48.420 from

00:42:48.640 a

00:42:48.780 couple

00:42:48.980 of

00:42:49.180 reporters

00:42:49.600 from

00:42:49.820 the

00:42:49.940 national

00:42:50.260 post

00:42:50.660 and

00:42:50.800 the

00:42:50.920 Toronto

00:42:51.180 Sun

00:42:51.580 no

00:42:52.240 one

00:42:52.440 from

00:42:52.660 CBC

00:42:53.120 no

00:42:53.420 one

00:42:53.580 from

00:42:53.740 Toronto

00:42:54.060 Star

00:42:54.380 no

00:42:54.620 one

00:42:54.780 from

00:42:54.960 CTV

00:42:55.380 came

00:42:55.780 to

00:42:56.300 my

00:42:56.600 defense

00:42:57.040 not

00:42:57.380 because

00:42:57.640 they

00:42:57.820 like

00:42:58.140 me

00:42:58.340 or

00:42:58.520 respect

00:42:58.880 me

00:42:59.200 but

00:42:59.820 out

00:43:00.460 of

00:43:00.540 a

00:43:00.660 respect

00:43:01.060 of

00:43:01.280 free

00:43:01.500 press

00:43:01.840 didn't

00:43:02.160 happen

00:43:02.500 but

00:43:03.200 now

00:43:03.400 Mike

00:43:03.640 Crawley

00:43:04.100 of

00:43:04.260 CBC

00:43:04.660 is

00:43:04.940 somehow

00:43:05.280 a

00:43:05.580 martyr

00:43:06.020 for

00:43:06.340 press

00:43:06.640 freedom

00:43:06.920 because

00:43:07.280 he

00:43:07.780 was

00:43:08.000 harassed

00:43:08.480 on

00:43:08.580 a

00:43:08.720 sidewalk

00:43:09.140 wrongfully

00:43:09.860 and

00:43:10.020 I

00:43:10.140 said

00:43:10.300 on

00:43:10.460 Twitter

00:43:10.720 that

00:43:11.300 he

00:43:11.460 is

00:43:11.660 deservedly

00:43:12.360 getting

00:43:12.620 support

00:43:13.200 but

00:43:13.820 it

00:43:13.980 doesn't

00:43:14.380 elude

00:43:14.800 me

00:43:15.080 that

00:43:15.300 all

00:43:15.540 of

00:43:15.700 these

00:43:15.860 people

00:43:16.140 giving

00:43:16.420 him

00:43:16.620 support

00:43:16.980 were

00:43:17.480 silent

00:43:18.080 when

00:43:18.700 I

00:43:18.980 was

00:43:19.180 banned

00:43:19.480 from

00:43:19.660 the

00:43:19.840 liberals

00:43:20.100 for

00:43:20.440 weeks

00:43:20.900 see

00:43:21.360 Mike

00:43:21.600 Crawley

00:43:22.000 was

00:43:22.260 actually

00:43:22.620 allowed

00:43:22.940 to

00:43:23.140 carry

00:43:23.380 on

00:43:23.760 and

00:43:24.220 the

00:43:24.400 PC

00:43:24.680 party

00:43:25.020 apologized

00:43:25.580 to

00:43:25.940 him

00:43:26.080 the

00:43:26.500 liberals

00:43:26.780 did

00:43:27.020 not

00:43:27.240 apologize

00:43:27.760 to

00:43:28.300 me

00:43:28.500 for

00:43:28.720 banning

00:43:29.120 me

00:43:29.300 from

00:43:29.480 the

00:43:29.620 events

00:43:30.000 the

00:43:30.440 only

00:43:30.680 apology

00:43:31.200 I

00:43:31.420 got

00:43:31.640 was

00:43:31.820 for

00:43:32.000 having

00:43:32.220 me

00:43:32.420 forcefully

00:43:32.960 removed

00:43:33.440 from

00:43:33.900 one

00:43:34.160 particular

00:43:34.740 one

00:43:35.120 by

00:43:35.360 police

00:43:35.820 and

00:43:35.960 that

00:43:36.100 was

00:43:36.260 the

00:43:36.480 Thunder

00:43:36.740 Bay

00:43:36.940 example

00:43:37.440 so

00:43:38.020 be

00:43:38.260 consistent

00:43:38.860 because

00:43:39.280 your

00:43:39.500 hypocrisy

00:43:40.100 will be

00:43:40.460 the

00:43:40.640 thing

00:43:40.880 that

00:43:41.060 sinks

00:43:41.320 you

00:43:41.540 we

00:43:42.120 have

00:43:42.400 to

00:43:42.580 wrap

00:43:42.880 things

00:43:43.140 up

00:43:43.320 my

00:43:43.500 thanks

00:43:43.840 to

00:43:44.120 Franco

00:43:44.500 Terrazano

00:43:45.100 for

00:43:45.300 coming

00:43:45.520 on

00:43:45.680 the

00:43:45.780 show

00:43:45.940 today

00:43:46.240 and

00:43:46.780 all

00:43:46.940 who

00:43:47.120 called

00:43:47.440 in

00:43:47.700 wrote

00:43:48.060 in

00:43:48.300 tuned

00:43:48.560 in

00:43:48.740 listened

00:43:48.980 in

00:43:49.140 I

00:43:49.240 know

00:43:49.340 we

00:43:49.440 don't

00:43:49.560 take

00:43:49.740 calls

00:43:59.480 support

00:44:01.020 the

00:44:01.180 program

00:44:01.500 by

00:44:01.720 donating

00:44:02.080 to

00:44:02.300 true

00:44:02.460 north

00:44:02.740 at

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Juno News - February 25, 2020

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