Juno News - Canada needs to stand up for Taiwan

00:00:00.000 Welcome to Canada's Most Irreverent Talk Show.

00:00:06.660 This is the Andrew Lawton Show, brought to you by True North.

00:00:12.740 Coming up, Taiwan is a beacon of democracy in Asia

00:00:16.420 and an important counterbalance against the Chinese regime.

00:00:19.400 We talk about how Canada can better support Taiwan.

00:00:23.600 The Andrew Lawton Show starts right now.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to the Andrew Lawton Show.

00:00:32.340 This is a special edition of the program.

00:00:34.480 On the weekend programs, what we do is do a deep dive

00:00:37.460 into some very critical issues that oftentimes don't get nearly the attention they deserve.

00:00:42.800 And one of the issues I want to spotlight on this episode is the state of Taiwan,

00:00:47.740 but more specifically, Taiwan-Canadian relations.

00:00:51.800 Taiwan is a beacon of democracy in a part of the world that very much needs it.

00:00:55.760 It's also a country that has been excluded from very key international organizations,

00:01:01.420 notably, as we've seen in the last year and a half, the World Health Organization,

00:01:05.300 despite Taiwan having one of the best records in the world of any nation

00:01:09.500 in dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:01:12.860 We have continued threats of aggression from China.

00:01:16.100 As recently as a few days ago, the Chinese regime saying that it wants to

00:01:20.340 pursue at all costs the reunification.

00:01:23.900 And here we are with a Canadian position that is not entirely clear in supporting Taiwan.

00:01:29.920 We have a fantastic panel of guests here to delve into this issue,

00:01:34.680 and we'll see where the discussion goes.

00:01:36.260 I'm joined by St. Albert Edmonton Member of Parliament Michael Cooper,

00:01:40.260 who introduced the Canada-Taiwan Relations Framework Act,

00:01:44.000 which would have pursued a very strong relationship between Canada and Taiwan

00:01:48.100 that I know we'll get to during the discussion.

00:01:50.460 Also, Yue Yen Tsang, who is a founder of Taiwan Watch,

00:01:53.900 a freelance translator now with a great passion for Canada-Taiwan relations

00:01:57.980 and also Taiwan's relationships around the world.

00:02:01.400 And York University Professor Jung-Chen Shin,

00:02:04.180 who is an expert on Taiwan-Canada affairs and joins us now as well.

00:02:08.380 All of you, thank you so much for coming on today.

00:02:10.580 It's great to speak with you.

00:02:11.920 Thank you.

00:02:12.920 Thank you.

00:02:13.760 So I want to start with you on this, Michael,

00:02:15.920 from the political side of this.

00:02:17.840 How would you characterize right now the Canadian government's approach to Taiwan?

00:02:23.360 And I guess a better part of that question is what should it be in your view?

00:02:28.360 The approach of the current government has been, frankly, timid.

00:02:33.360 For the longest time, the Prime Minister hadn't even uttered of a word Taiwan.

00:02:40.980 Indeed, it was when I posed a question to him at the start of COVID back in January of 2020

00:02:49.500 and pressed him on whether the government would support Taiwan's participation

00:02:54.680 at the World Health Assembly,

00:02:58.080 that for the first time in a long time,

00:03:00.200 if not the first time ever since Justin Trudeau became Prime Minister,

00:03:04.440 but he answered in the affirmative.

00:03:07.120 And just recently, when Taiwan applied to join the CPTPP,

00:03:16.600 the government of Canada didn't indicate its support for Taiwan.

00:03:22.720 So there's a lot that Canada should be doing to stand up with Taiwan on a diplomatic basis

00:03:30.580 in terms of strengthening economic relations and encouraging greater defense cooperation

00:03:35.680 and working with our elders.

00:03:38.120 I want to move to you on this next, UAN,

00:03:40.640 because I know you look at not only Canada's relationship with Taiwan,

00:03:44.200 but also that of other countries.

00:03:46.640 I mentioned in my introduction the issues with the World Health Organization,

00:03:50.600 which I think has certainly been a lot,

00:03:53.000 it's been very revealing of a sentiment that exists elsewhere.

00:03:56.500 But would you say it's getting better?

00:03:58.160 Would you say more countries are coming alongside with this idea of recognizing Taiwan,

00:04:03.400 or is it pretty stagnant?

00:04:05.680 I wouldn't say it's better,

00:04:09.120 but I would sum up as the exposure of Taiwan news in the last almost two years

00:04:21.180 has been increased dramatically and in a positive way.

00:04:26.200 And how has that been positive?

00:04:28.620 I mean, why has that happened, I guess?

00:04:30.300 Many was because that Taiwan had been very successful in controlling the pandemic,

00:04:40.460 and economic growth has been soaring better than before,

00:04:49.820 which stand out of all, most of the countries,

00:04:55.100 and even the growth is faster than China.

00:04:59.760 Well, that's very interesting.

00:05:01.240 Professor, let me turn to you on this.

00:05:02.900 I know that for the most part,

00:05:05.420 and you may have a different perspective on this,

00:05:07.380 I would think a lot of the politicians in Western countries,

00:05:10.440 in liberal democracies,

00:05:11.480 are ideologically on side with Taiwan,

00:05:14.620 especially as it pertains to China on the other side of this,

00:05:18.820 the People's Republic of China.

00:05:20.500 So what is it that prevents stronger action on this?

00:05:23.340 Is it just fear?

00:05:24.500 Fear of China?

00:05:25.220 Is that what it comes down to?

00:05:26.260 I think it comes down to a couple of factors.

00:05:29.760 Number one, of course, is economic factors.

00:05:32.720 And China has a large volume of markets and imports,

00:05:37.480 which obviously is one of the most important factors,

00:05:40.580 which will attract most of the country to toward China.

00:05:44.920 And there's also other factors,

00:05:46.920 because China actually uses several diplomacy to lure different countries.

00:05:53.420 For example, during the pandemic and vaccine diplomacy

00:05:58.000 has been very successful in South America and Africa and the Middle East.

00:06:04.880 And also the Road and Build Initiative,

00:06:08.980 which is a project to start to build infrastructure across several countries,

00:06:15.560 which has also been very successful to attract many countries' participation.

00:06:21.320 Of course, the most recent report shows that

00:06:24.840 that's a huge downside for the RBI Road and Build Initiative,

00:06:30.740 which is a hidden debt,

00:06:32.640 which already created more than $360 billion debt to China.

00:06:40.820 I'm glad you brought up the Belt and Road Initiative,

00:06:43.240 because I think the influence of this

00:06:45.080 and the spread of this around the world is very much understated.

00:06:48.980 And I would also say to talk about the media angle here unexplored significantly.

00:06:54.560 Let me turn to you on this, Michael,

00:06:56.420 because we know that the conservative government,

00:06:59.420 the previous conservative government under Stephen Harper,

00:07:02.060 really viewed free trade as being the tide that raised all boats.

00:07:05.640 We saw dozens of free trade agreements with countries around the world.

00:07:09.640 But at the same time,

00:07:10.600 we know that despite China's entry into the world stage, 0.93

00:07:13.400 into a number of these global liberal institutions,

00:07:15.900 China has not liberalized.

00:07:17.880 China will not liberalize.

00:07:19.500 It's not moving in that direction.

00:07:21.300 Instead, as we mentioned with the Belt and Road Initiative,

00:07:24.380 China tends to benefit from this without really giving

00:07:27.940 and without any other countries around the world benefiting.

00:07:31.060 So to bring this into the Taiwan context,

00:07:33.400 let me ask you here,

00:07:34.800 does China need to be dealt with in that way for Taiwan to be dealt with?

00:07:39.900 Do both things need to be done at the same time?

00:07:41.960 Or irrespective of what's happening with China,

00:07:44.300 can a country come up with a very strong pro-Taiwan policy?

00:07:48.900 Well, we need to recognize that China is not our friend. 0.99

00:07:55.460 It is an important partner in many respects,

00:07:59.360 but it is not our friend.

00:08:00.620 And this government's approach of more or less going along

00:08:04.520 and getting along with the Chinese Communist regime

00:08:07.260 and seeking to appease the Chinese Communist regime

00:08:09.780 resulted in hostage diplomacy,

00:08:13.160 resulted in the Chinese Communist regime

00:08:15.260 threatening the safety and security

00:08:17.340 of more than 300,000 Canadians in Hong Kong

00:08:22.960 and has resulted in punitive trade measures imposed against Canada.

00:08:28.840 So we need to work with our allies to counter China

00:08:34.260 and to support a democracy in the Indo-Pacific region,

00:08:38.560 which is being threatened by the Chinese Communist regime.

00:08:41.560 And that includes strengthening relations with Taiwan,

00:08:46.120 including in areas of trade and investment.

00:08:49.620 And we shouldn't minimize the importance of Taiwan to Canada.

00:08:53.760 Taiwan is a big deal.

00:08:55.580 It is our 13th largest trading partner.

00:08:58.300 It is our fifth largest trading partner in Asia.

00:09:01.760 And it is one of the world's largest economies.

00:09:04.580 That's, I think, a very interesting point,

00:09:08.360 because a lot of times people view Taiwan

00:09:11.300 and support for Taiwan as being an inherently 0.83

00:09:14.000 anti-Chinese regime move,

00:09:16.500 which, you know, in some ways it may well be.

00:09:18.480 But I think you're right to point out

00:09:19.860 the independent reasons that trade with Taiwan

00:09:23.140 should be pursued.

00:09:24.660 And this goes back to what you and I were speaking about

00:09:26.900 at the beginning, UAN,

00:09:27.900 about how people are learning more about this.

00:09:31.020 They're learning more about what's happening in Taiwan.

00:09:33.160 But do you find that there is,

00:09:35.400 when you do your advocacy around the world and in Canada,

00:09:37.940 do you find there is an understanding of what Taiwan is?

00:09:41.700 Or does it seem very abstract for people?

00:09:44.040 It's just this thing they hear about in the news

00:09:46.060 every now and then.

00:09:48.580 In terms of understanding Taiwan and Taiwanese

00:09:51.680 and the preference what Taiwanese want for their future,

00:09:56.380 regarding the sovereignty and country recognition,

00:10:00.120 I don't see ordinary people knowing very much.

00:10:08.660 Some may say they don't even show an interest about it.

00:10:12.920 So in the circle of the news media,

00:10:17.700 people in the group may know better.

00:10:23.000 In general, no.

00:10:24.300 On the other hand, lots of misinformation coming up,

00:10:30.080 mainly from China.

00:10:31.500 So this is a countermeasure.

00:10:36.800 The effort has not been there.

00:10:40.040 And countries that are receiving the negative impact

00:10:48.960 from China when they have stretched their relations

00:10:56.900 with Taiwan a bit better.

00:10:59.140 In any way, that may anger in China.

00:11:02.720 So the negative impact they receive,

00:11:06.620 in another way, it's a lesson to teach the public.

00:11:10.620 That's a taboo area.

00:11:11.920 No, don't go.

00:11:13.680 So, no.

00:11:15.500 That's interesting.

00:11:16.560 And I guess, Professor, I'll ask you,

00:11:18.040 why should people care?

00:11:19.140 What's the message to those who don't necessarily

00:11:22.020 understand the impact of Taiwan or why it matters?

00:11:25.340 Why is this a region that needs to be given attention

00:11:28.100 and a country that needs to be supported?

00:11:31.140 I think there are a couple of reasons

00:11:32.400 that people probably want to pay attention to it.

00:11:36.000 The number one is that it actually helps Canada's economy.

00:11:40.440 The first thing is, if you see, like, in Canada,

00:11:45.240 over the past two decades,

00:11:47.600 our manufacturing sectors already declined almost like 50%,

00:11:53.460 which had a huge impact.

00:11:56.680 For example, our blue-collar workers,

00:11:58.920 most of them, they don't have jobs now.

00:12:01.440 And a lot of manufacturing decline.

00:12:05.380 It's not just cycling.

00:12:07.820 A lot of jobs permanently move out of Canada,

00:12:12.780 and which also affect Canadians' innovation.

00:12:17.040 Because a lot of innovation, if you want to commercialize,

00:12:20.040 you require cooperation between R&D and manufacturers.

00:12:24.240 The truth is, Canada's exporting now,

00:12:29.200 most of them based on resource-based.

00:12:31.780 On the other side, Taiwan has probably one of the best manufacturers,

00:12:36.360 especially in terms of high-end semiconductors.

00:12:39.640 So from this perspective,

00:12:41.120 I see that's a huge complementarity

00:12:44.340 between Canada and Taiwan.

00:12:45.940 And number two is Taiwan and Canada

00:12:50.260 actually share a lot of things in common.

00:12:53.860 Everyone knows that Taiwan is on the first line 0.99

00:12:56.320 on confronting with China.

00:12:58.520 So a lot of, like, misinformation

00:13:00.700 and a lot of propaganda

00:13:03.780 and from China to go to Taiwan.

00:13:07.320 And as we all know that China's influence

00:13:10.620 into Canada's business, politics,

00:13:13.620 and economy has been huge.

00:13:18.000 And I think Canada has a lot to learn from Taiwan.

00:13:20.920 How in a small island can have such strong power

00:13:25.140 and know how to deal with China's different economy

00:13:30.460 and information strategies.

00:13:34.180 There's an interesting issue that you raised there,

00:13:38.160 which is the like-minded nature

00:13:39.760 of Canada's relationship with Taiwan.

00:13:42.640 And I'll go back to you on this, Michael,

00:13:44.380 because we know the Conservative government

00:13:46.040 or the Conservative Party, rather,

00:13:47.740 ran in the last election on the idea of Canzac.

00:13:50.400 And there was a push behind that,

00:13:52.200 that Canada should pursue relationships

00:13:53.920 with similar countries.

00:13:55.220 In that case, Australia, New Zealand, and the UK.

00:13:58.380 Is that where things are going now?

00:14:00.340 Where countries should start prioritizing values

00:14:03.000 and similarities and shared concerns

00:14:06.380 in pursuing relations?

00:14:08.020 And do you agree with the professor here

00:14:09.980 that Canada and Taiwan would fit that?

00:14:13.600 Yes, we certainly do.

00:14:16.080 We share common values,

00:14:19.060 commitment to freedom, democracy, pluralism,

00:14:21.880 and the rule of law.

00:14:24.840 And yes, it is important

00:14:27.600 that Canada conduct its foreign relations

00:14:30.220 on the basis of common values.

00:14:33.000 And we need to confront

00:14:36.140 the Chinese Communist regime

00:14:38.680 and work with like-minded allies,

00:14:42.060 including the United Kingdom,

00:14:45.420 Australia, the United States,

00:14:48.040 India, and Japan.

00:14:49.880 Because right now,

00:14:52.380 having illegally,

00:14:54.720 but nonetheless successfully,

00:14:57.220 annex Hong Kong,

00:14:59.140 Taiwan isn't the crosshairs

00:15:01.300 of the Chinese Communist regime.

00:15:03.620 Indeed, John Aquino,

00:15:05.420 the commander of the

00:15:07.180 U.S. Indo-Pacific Command,

00:15:10.520 stated earlier this year

00:15:12.060 that the annexation of Taiwan

00:15:13.740 is the Chinese Communist regime's

00:15:16.520 number one priority.

00:15:17.920 And there's no question

00:15:20.260 that the increased aggression

00:15:22.760 that we have seen

00:15:24.100 is a real threat,

00:15:27.080 not only to stability and peace

00:15:29.460 in the Indo-Pacific region,

00:15:31.540 but also to the international

00:15:33.700 rules-based order.

00:15:35.000 And we've got to work with our allies

00:15:36.180 to confront that and deal with it.

00:15:38.760 I'm glad you brought up Hong Kong.

00:15:40.760 And I have a question for you

00:15:41.900 about that, UAE.

00:15:42.700 And when we see what we've seen

00:15:44.440 in the last year,

00:15:45.940 and I guess the last couple of years

00:15:47.500 in Hong Kong,

00:15:49.220 does that force a lot of the people

00:15:52.180 in your community,

00:15:52.980 the activists for Taiwan's independence,

00:15:55.360 to get a little bit nervous?

00:15:57.160 Or is that really underscoring

00:15:59.040 why it's so important

00:16:00.100 to continue that fight for independence?

00:16:02.240 Not only in the activists

00:16:07.080 in the forum that I am in,

00:16:10.260 also the opposition party

00:16:14.260 currently in Taiwan politics

00:16:17.660 acquired a field

00:16:21.680 of little smaller parties

00:16:25.080 that are even more convinced

00:16:27.460 that there is no any gray area

00:16:31.420 in terms of the preference

00:16:34.700 to choose the future for Taiwan

00:16:37.240 independently

00:16:39.560 or to go alone

00:16:42.060 softening with China.

00:16:46.100 I think the main opposition party,

00:16:50.640 Kuomintang KMT,

00:16:53.100 has been receiving

00:16:55.440 less approval rate

00:17:00.160 and the rating is dropping down.

00:17:03.760 One of the reasons

00:17:04.680 that coming from

00:17:07.080 what's happening in Hong Kong

00:17:09.160 and the result,

00:17:12.100 the loss in general elections,

00:17:14.660 president reelected

00:17:18.540 from the PP party

00:17:20.780 beginning of last year.

00:17:22.460 I'll put the same question

00:17:25.640 to you, Professor.

00:17:26.580 What, if anything,

00:17:27.740 is there to take away

00:17:28.840 from the Hong Kong experience

00:17:30.560 that could help,

00:17:31.920 or I mean,

00:17:32.420 if we're being analytical

00:17:33.220 about this,

00:17:33.880 hurt the Taiwan independence movement?

00:17:37.820 China has been promoted 1.00

00:17:39.200 one country, two systems

00:17:40.900 to Hong Kong

00:17:43.180 and want to use it

00:17:44.920 as an example

00:17:46.180 and then to reunificate Taiwan.

00:17:49.300 and as we have seen

00:17:52.300 since 2017,

00:17:53.980 China basically

00:17:56.220 completely violated

00:17:57.840 the agreement

00:17:58.780 with the United Kingdom

00:18:00.260 and completely destroyed

00:18:02.540 freedom

00:18:03.360 and partially democracy

00:18:06.480 in Hong Kong.

00:18:08.800 So it turns out that

00:18:11.180 Hong Kong,

00:18:14.580 as an example,

00:18:15.520 for reunification

00:18:18.280 between China

00:18:20.000 and Taiwan

00:18:20.560 has completely

00:18:21.600 lost the credibility.

00:18:23.940 So I think

00:18:25.000 it's very important

00:18:26.120 to let the world know

00:18:27.280 what's happening

00:18:28.380 and what happened

00:18:29.620 in Hong Kong,

00:18:31.040 which deliver one,

00:18:33.020 I think,

00:18:33.360 very important message

00:18:34.400 to the free world,

00:18:35.760 which is

00:18:36.380 you should never trust

00:18:38.080 CCP's commitment,

00:18:40.640 even in papers.

00:18:42.360 and if you remember

00:18:45.260 like the Deng Xiaoping

00:18:46.340 ever promised

00:18:48.440 that 50 years

00:18:50.440 we will maintain

00:18:51.320 the same system

00:18:52.280 in Hong Kong,

00:18:53.620 but after Xi Jinping

00:18:54.680 become the leader

00:18:56.560 and then they completed

00:18:57.900 and forget

00:18:59.360 the commitment.

00:19:02.640 So I guess

00:19:04.560 that nowadays,

00:19:06.140 especially in Western,

00:19:07.720 the so-called

00:19:08.960 Ponda scholars 0.77

00:19:11.660 and the schools,

00:19:14.280 they kind of

00:19:15.260 want to base

00:19:16.260 on Western values.

00:19:17.920 They want to believe

00:19:19.060 that everyone

00:19:20.540 will honor the contract.

00:19:22.760 Once we reach

00:19:23.920 agreement with China

00:19:25.080 and then we can

00:19:26.400 draw China

00:19:28.020 into the world trade system,

00:19:30.120 eventually

00:19:30.560 we can change

00:19:31.920 China's political regimes.

00:19:34.480 This idea

00:19:35.440 has been proved

00:19:36.840 completely wrong

00:19:38.120 over the past 50 years.

00:19:41.660 I wish I could

00:19:43.840 disagree with you,

00:19:44.660 Professor,

00:19:45.260 but I really can't.

00:19:46.420 I mean,

00:19:46.580 the historic record

00:19:47.480 speaks for itself there

00:19:49.200 and I'll turn to you,

00:19:50.620 Michael,

00:19:50.900 because not trusting

00:19:51.980 the Chinese Communist Party

00:19:53.520 has been something

00:19:54.340 that Canadians

00:19:55.240 in particular

00:19:55.860 have been reminded

00:19:56.620 of why they shouldn't do

00:19:58.320 for the last

00:19:59.180 several months,

00:20:00.720 the last year and a half.

00:20:01.700 Just recently,

00:20:02.300 we had the return

00:20:03.360 of Michael Kovrig

00:20:04.480 and Michael Spavor

00:20:05.920 after China

00:20:07.080 had engaged

00:20:07.740 in hostage diplomacy

00:20:09.060 over Canada's arrest

00:20:10.880 of Meng Wanzhou.

00:20:12.580 But when we look at this,

00:20:14.420 there's been for the last,

00:20:16.160 however long

00:20:16.980 this pandemic

00:20:17.840 has been going on,

00:20:18.740 18 months or so,

00:20:19.720 there's been this sense

00:20:20.780 that,

00:20:21.260 well,

00:20:21.560 you know,

00:20:21.760 we can't criticize

00:20:22.500 China's handling

00:20:23.400 of the pandemic

00:20:24.000 because we don't want

00:20:24.700 to rock the boat,

00:20:25.500 we don't want to be aggressive

00:20:27.020 when they have

00:20:27.800 the two Michaels.

00:20:29.040 And a lot of those

00:20:30.280 same themes

00:20:31.000 are still going to be there now.

00:20:32.200 Well,

00:20:32.520 we can't be aggressive

00:20:33.580 with Taiwan

00:20:34.400 or aggressive with China

00:20:35.700 about its position

00:20:36.540 on Taiwan

00:20:37.220 because,

00:20:37.820 you know,

00:20:38.040 they could arrest

00:20:38.740 some Canadians,

00:20:39.600 they could lash out

00:20:41.320 in other ways.

00:20:42.500 What do you respond

00:20:43.720 to people who say that with?

00:20:45.120 Because I think

00:20:45.520 there is a legitimate concern

00:20:46.700 that any strong position

00:20:48.700 against China

00:20:49.400 will result in

00:20:50.420 that sort of conduct

00:20:51.480 which we've seen

00:20:52.160 from them in the past.

00:20:55.120 I think in some respects

00:20:57.420 it's the wrong lesson

00:20:59.500 to take away

00:21:00.380 that somehow

00:21:00.940 we can't rock

00:21:01.980 the boat

00:21:02.480 and that we should

00:21:03.200 go along

00:21:03.840 and get along

00:21:04.960 with the Chinese

00:21:06.060 communist regime.

00:21:07.280 As I outlined earlier,

00:21:08.900 the strategy

00:21:09.460 simply hasn't worked.

00:21:12.860 And so I think

00:21:14.240 it's just the wrong

00:21:15.360 approach to take.

00:21:18.300 What would,

00:21:19.400 just to take

00:21:20.380 a broader look

00:21:21.300 at the Canada-China

00:21:22.720 relationship,

00:21:23.700 which includes Taiwan

00:21:24.860 but has other factors

00:21:25.880 as well,

00:21:26.380 what would that relationship

00:21:27.700 look like

00:21:28.380 if you had your way?

00:21:29.540 In terms of the

00:21:31.100 Canada-Taiwan relationship?

00:21:32.920 Well, the Canada-China 0.98

00:21:33.820 relationship more broadly,

00:21:35.220 which I'm just pointing out here,

00:21:36.540 includes Taiwan

00:21:37.340 but also has other things.

00:21:39.760 Yeah.

00:21:40.360 Well, as I say,

00:21:42.140 again,

00:21:42.580 I think we have to recognize

00:21:44.780 that China 0.93

00:21:46.600 is a serious threat.

00:21:48.920 This is a dangerous regime.

00:21:50.540 regime.

00:21:51.580 It is a regime

00:21:53.020 that is committing

00:21:55.080 genocide right now

00:21:56.800 as we speak.

00:21:58.620 And so the measures

00:22:00.180 that I would like

00:22:01.000 to see Canada take

00:22:02.520 is to take

00:22:03.420 a strong position

00:22:04.460 against the Chinese 1.00

00:22:05.580 communist regime

00:22:06.520 in terms of imposing

00:22:08.280 Magnitsky sanctions

00:22:10.060 on Chinese communist officials

00:22:11.740 who are responsible

00:22:13.080 for dismantling

00:22:14.300 democracy

00:22:15.320 in Hong Kong.

00:22:17.260 The U.S.,

00:22:18.100 for example,

00:22:18.860 has imposed

00:22:20.700 such sanctions

00:22:21.480 on 34 individuals,

00:22:23.480 including Hong Kong's

00:22:25.120 chief executive,

00:22:26.660 Carrie Lam.

00:22:27.480 That would be

00:22:28.000 an important step

00:22:28.960 to send a clear message

00:22:30.660 to the Chinese communist regime

00:22:32.740 to think twice

00:22:33.980 about doing to Taiwan 0.56

00:22:35.800 what it has done

00:22:37.380 to Hong Kong.

00:22:38.520 We need to get

00:22:39.560 Huawei

00:22:40.140 out of Canada's

00:22:42.320 5G network.

00:22:44.040 Telecoms

00:22:44.740 are already

00:22:45.600 moving away

00:22:46.580 from Huawei,

00:22:48.160 but for some reason

00:22:48.880 this liberal government

00:22:49.800 hasn't seen fit

00:22:51.180 to do that.

00:22:52.120 So there's a lot

00:22:53.140 of measures

00:22:53.740 that we can take

00:22:55.060 and should take

00:22:55.840 to stand up

00:22:56.780 to the Chinese

00:22:57.800 communist regime's

00:22:58.780 bullying

00:22:59.060 and the fact

00:22:59.860 that they are not

00:23:00.760 just a threat

00:23:01.360 to Taiwan,

00:23:03.060 but in many respects

00:23:04.280 they're a security threat

00:23:05.260 to Canada.

00:23:07.200 Yui,

00:23:07.800 and what do you think

00:23:08.440 of that position?

00:23:09.420 That their countries

00:23:10.300 have a vested interest,

00:23:11.800 Canada and other nations

00:23:12.980 around the world

00:23:13.620 have a vested interest

00:23:14.640 in taking a strong position

00:23:16.360 on China,

00:23:17.880 which would help Taiwan

00:23:19.120 but would also

00:23:19.940 help themselves.

00:23:20.940 Do you agree with that?

00:23:22.880 Certainly,

00:23:23.940 yes.

00:23:27.140 China's testing 0.79

00:23:28.320 your boundary

00:23:29.160 all the time.

00:23:30.500 So

00:23:30.780 relationship

00:23:33.500 with Taiwan

00:23:34.800 in terms of trade

00:23:36.320 and

00:23:37.400 diplomatic

00:23:39.120 relations

00:23:40.640 is solely

00:23:41.960 depending on

00:23:43.120 on the country itself,

00:23:44.240 on Canada itself.

00:23:47.080 And

00:23:47.440 China should stay 1.00

00:23:49.000 out of the business

00:23:50.020 of Canada.

00:23:51.860 And

00:23:52.180 it's a very fine line

00:23:56.080 and Canada

00:23:56.960 certainly need to learn

00:23:58.260 to navigate

00:23:59.000 the way out.

00:24:01.160 And

00:24:01.300 Canada

00:24:01.860 has not been

00:24:02.500 the first country

00:24:03.560 going through

00:24:07.020 the last two years

00:24:08.300 of the two Michael's

00:24:09.880 detention.

00:24:11.700 And

00:24:12.160 therefore,

00:24:16.040 Trudeau government

00:24:16.760 has been really silent

00:24:18.280 on the issues

00:24:21.860 and delaying

00:24:23.060 with the actions

00:24:24.580 to voice for

00:24:26.020 human rights

00:24:27.920 issue

00:24:28.540 and democracy

00:24:29.720 issue in Hong Kong,

00:24:30.840 human rights issue

00:24:31.540 in Xinjiang

00:24:32.640 and

00:24:33.720 issues

00:24:35.460 with Taiwan

00:24:36.500 in general.

00:24:38.320 We now

00:24:39.160 come to

00:24:40.060 a

00:24:40.860 turning point

00:24:43.340 now.

00:24:44.380 Hopefully,

00:24:45.100 that will be

00:24:45.480 a turning point

00:24:46.180 to a positive way.

00:24:48.480 And

00:24:49.040 we will see

00:24:49.760 what the

00:24:50.440 liberal government

00:24:51.480 is going to bring

00:24:52.060 to us.

00:24:52.520 Do you find,

00:24:54.540 Professor,

00:24:54.980 that China's 0.96

00:24:55.680 bad behavior

00:24:56.740 tends to

00:24:58.040 immunize it

00:24:58.880 from a lot

00:24:59.440 of pushback?

00:25:00.180 Because,

00:25:00.680 as we were talking

00:25:01.520 about in the last

00:25:02.160 few moments,

00:25:02.960 a lot of people

00:25:03.600 will say,

00:25:04.000 well,

00:25:04.280 you know,

00:25:04.540 yeah,

00:25:04.680 we don't like

00:25:05.120 that China's 0.96

00:25:05.640 doing X

00:25:06.220 in Taiwan

00:25:06.880 or Y

00:25:07.520 with the two

00:25:08.000 Michaels,

00:25:08.720 but,

00:25:09.080 well,

00:25:09.200 we don't want

00:25:09.600 them to do

00:25:09.860 more of it,

00:25:10.340 so we're not

00:25:10.720 going to say

00:25:11.080 anything about it.

00:25:13.100 China's market

00:25:14.020 to many

00:25:15.040 countries and

00:25:16.280 world

00:25:16.600 still want

00:25:17.720 very important

00:25:18.400 factors

00:25:19.180 to influence

00:25:20.340 their foreign 0.75

00:25:21.340 policies.

00:25:22.520 But in addition

00:25:23.560 to that,

00:25:24.620 if you look

00:25:25.100 at the reality,

00:25:26.100 actually,

00:25:26.580 China doesn't 1.00

00:25:27.060 have many

00:25:27.620 allies

00:25:28.180 around the

00:25:29.180 world.

00:25:30.240 And given

00:25:30.940 the current

00:25:31.420 situation

00:25:31.920 between

00:25:32.240 United States

00:25:33.180 and China,

00:25:34.660 I think

00:25:35.060 it's very

00:25:35.400 important

00:25:35.780 for Canada

00:25:36.520 to stand

00:25:37.680 on a free

00:25:39.160 country side.

00:25:41.860 And then

00:25:42.140 we should

00:25:42.620 unite all

00:25:43.880 the like-minded

00:25:44.680 countries

00:25:45.440 and then

00:25:46.340 to work

00:25:46.980 together.

00:25:47.800 And one

00:25:48.200 of the most

00:25:48.700 important

00:25:49.040 things,

00:25:49.420 I guess,

00:25:49.840 would be

00:25:50.160 like Mr.

00:25:51.220 Cooper

00:25:51.480 ever

00:25:51.860 introduced

00:25:52.360 the

00:25:52.800 Canada-Taiwan

00:25:55.020 Relations

00:25:55.660 Framework Act.

00:25:57.040 Of course,

00:25:57.600 because of

00:25:58.120 the election

00:25:58.580 it has been

00:25:59.480 stopped.

00:26:00.640 But it would

00:26:01.220 be much

00:26:01.560 appreciated

00:26:02.520 if Mr.

00:26:03.520 Cooper

00:26:03.740 can bring

00:26:04.240 back.

00:26:05.060 Another

00:26:05.420 thing I guess

00:26:06.020 which is also

00:26:06.880 important

00:26:07.360 is about

00:26:08.040 CPTPP.

00:26:10.120 And I guess

00:26:11.600 Canada

00:26:12.660 can work

00:26:14.240 to welcome

00:26:16.300 Taiwan

00:26:16.800 to join

00:26:17.320 CPTPP

00:26:18.700 and

00:26:19.500 to form

00:26:20.700 a trade

00:26:23.420 zone

00:26:23.880 which

00:26:24.320 allows

00:26:25.200 the

00:26:25.420 like-minded

00:26:26.020 country

00:26:26.580 to trade

00:26:27.160 with each

00:26:27.880 other

00:26:28.200 without

00:26:28.860 worrying

00:26:29.360 too much.

00:26:30.800 And lastly,

00:26:31.960 that is

00:26:32.560 important

00:26:33.000 is

00:26:33.860 the

00:26:34.700 alliance

00:26:37.040 between

00:26:37.460 the United

00:26:38.360 States,

00:26:39.740 United Kingdom

00:26:40.560 and Australia

00:26:41.440 to form

00:26:42.020 AUKUS

00:26:42.560 and

00:26:43.460 a few

00:26:44.480 weeks ago.

00:26:46.080 And

00:26:46.260 of course,

00:26:47.200 I understand

00:26:47.720 that Canada

00:26:48.340 we didn't

00:26:49.900 join that.

00:26:51.080 But given

00:26:51.700 the Indo-Pacific

00:26:52.720 region probably

00:26:53.500 will become

00:26:54.040 the most

00:26:54.880 controversial

00:26:55.320 region

00:26:56.080 around the

00:26:56.980 world.

00:26:57.900 And I

00:26:58.560 think Canada

00:26:59.200 need to

00:26:59.680 be prepared.

00:27:01.460 We have

00:27:02.060 to prepare

00:27:02.700 to join

00:27:03.860 the

00:27:04.780 like-minded

00:27:05.420 country

00:27:06.100 and

00:27:07.100 to

00:27:08.140 deal

00:27:10.300 with

00:27:10.720 anything

00:27:11.700 that could 0.68

00:27:12.240 happen

00:27:12.740 in the

00:27:13.420 next few

00:27:13.900 years.

00:27:16.100 When we

00:27:16.860 hear

00:27:17.140 discussions

00:27:17.900 about

00:27:18.300 aggression

00:27:18.680 in the

00:27:19.120 South

00:27:19.340 China Sea

00:27:20.100 and

00:27:20.480 sanctions

00:27:21.000 and all

00:27:21.480 of these

00:27:21.760 very

00:27:22.000 big

00:27:22.280 picture

00:27:22.580 things,

00:27:23.320 it's

00:27:23.760 very

00:27:24.020 abstract

00:27:24.460 to a

00:27:25.000 lot

00:27:25.200 of

00:27:25.460 ordinary

00:27:25.940 people.

00:27:26.620 And let

00:27:26.880 me ask

00:27:27.280 you,

00:27:27.980 Yuen,

00:27:28.180 on this,

00:27:29.520 what can

00:27:30.100 ordinary

00:27:31.040 people do?

00:27:31.880 What can

00:27:32.380 people do

00:27:32.880 on an

00:27:33.220 individual

00:27:33.700 level

00:27:34.240 to support

00:27:34.980 Taiwan

00:27:35.400 and support

00:27:36.480 the Taiwanese

00:27:37.260 pursuit of

00:27:38.160 independence?

00:27:40.720 Well,

00:27:42.560 I'm

00:27:44.800 working on

00:27:45.360 this as

00:27:45.820 well to

00:27:46.420 get the

00:27:46.920 people

00:27:47.320 to develop

00:27:48.800 the interest

00:27:49.580 to get

00:27:50.220 to know

00:27:50.600 Taiwan.

00:27:51.680 And I

00:27:52.020 know

00:27:52.240 Taiwan

00:27:52.700 government,

00:27:53.380 Taiwan,

00:27:53.920 these people

00:27:54.420 are working

00:27:55.020 on their

00:27:55.460 behalf

00:27:56.040 to generate

00:27:57.720 the interest

00:27:58.780 and in

00:27:59.920 general

00:28:00.300 in a

00:28:01.440 positive

00:28:01.820 and

00:28:02.820 both

00:28:03.740 way

00:28:04.500 to

00:28:05.100 reintroduce

00:28:08.320 Taiwan

00:28:08.740 and to

00:28:09.520 establish

00:28:10.040 the

00:28:10.340 connection

00:28:10.780 between

00:28:11.260 people

00:28:11.780 to

00:28:12.000 people.

00:28:13.760 And

00:28:14.020 people

00:28:16.980 generally

00:28:17.860 understand

00:28:19.160 and

00:28:19.740 agreed

00:28:20.500 that

00:28:21.240 Taiwan

00:28:23.640 has been

00:28:24.660 demoted

00:28:26.560 and disregarded

00:28:28.040 in terms

00:28:29.940 of personal

00:28:30.520 level

00:28:30.920 and the

00:28:31.380 country

00:28:31.680 level.

00:28:33.700 They feel

00:28:34.960 helpless

00:28:35.540 as well.

00:28:36.240 when you

00:28:38.280 talk about

00:28:38.840 ordinary

00:28:39.300 people,

00:28:40.320 each of

00:28:40.820 them

00:28:41.000 think

00:28:41.360 they are

00:28:41.740 just

00:28:41.960 one.

00:28:42.480 How much

00:28:43.000 power

00:28:43.320 they can

00:28:43.760 influence

00:28:44.380 their

00:28:45.400 government

00:28:45.780 official

00:28:46.400 or

00:28:46.940 even

00:28:47.560 speaking

00:28:48.160 China.

00:28:50.600 So

00:28:51.000 it seems

00:28:52.280 very small

00:28:53.100 but

00:28:53.880 we've got

00:28:54.700 to look

00:28:54.980 at this

00:28:55.300 way

00:28:55.580 that

00:28:55.940 we

00:28:56.280 are

00:28:57.100 a society

00:28:58.580 of

00:28:59.020 a community

00:28:59.820 and

00:29:00.300 like

00:29:00.540 working

00:29:00.980 with

00:29:01.320 like-minded

00:29:01.920 country.

00:29:03.960 So

00:29:04.220 it's

00:29:04.940 a small

00:29:05.400 step

00:29:05.760 that

00:29:06.100 for

00:29:06.580 ordinary

00:29:07.160 people

00:29:07.700 to

00:29:08.220 connect

00:29:09.480 with

00:29:09.920 their

00:29:10.360 representative

00:29:12.260 in the

00:29:13.100 area

00:29:13.900 and

00:29:14.840 to push

00:29:15.580 the party

00:29:16.240 in the

00:29:16.700 country

00:29:17.040 to

00:29:17.600 work

00:29:18.260 on

00:29:18.560 the

00:29:18.740 actions

00:29:19.360 and

00:29:20.260 for

00:29:20.480 the

00:29:20.660 long

00:29:20.860 run.

00:29:21.680 And

00:29:21.720 we're

00:29:22.920 not only

00:29:23.520 talking

00:29:23.860 about

00:29:24.380 favoring

00:29:25.220 for

00:29:25.560 Taiwan.

00:29:27.220 No,

00:29:27.620 we're

00:29:27.960 talking

00:29:28.160 about

00:29:28.480 in the

00:29:28.820 long

00:29:29.020 run

00:29:29.300 for

00:29:29.780 security

00:29:30.340 for

00:29:30.800 economic

00:29:31.320 reason

00:29:31.880 and

00:29:32.740 for

00:29:33.340 the

00:29:33.700 defense

00:29:34.660 reason

00:29:35.160 and

00:29:35.600 for

00:29:36.100 the

00:29:36.520 general

00:29:36.800 good

00:29:37.240 that

00:29:37.480 we

00:29:37.620 want

00:29:37.880 to

00:29:38.020 have

00:29:38.220 a

00:29:38.400 peaceful

00:29:38.840 relationship

00:29:40.460 and

00:29:40.740 workable

00:29:41.220 relationship

00:29:41.860 with

00:29:42.300 China.

00:29:43.560 We're

00:29:43.920 talking

00:29:44.100 about

00:29:44.440 this.

00:29:45.720 And

00:29:45.840 so

00:29:46.280 country

00:29:47.520 government

00:29:48.280 need to

00:29:48.820 develop

00:29:49.220 a long

00:29:49.760 term

00:29:50.000 strategy

00:29:50.560 that

00:29:51.000 we

00:29:51.400 cannot

00:29:52.200 back

00:29:52.520 down.

00:29:53.800 We

00:29:54.160 could

00:29:54.820 take

00:29:56.300 in

00:29:56.520 a

00:29:57.040 slower

00:29:57.420 step

00:29:58.120 when

00:29:58.840 things

00:29:59.220 come

00:29:59.620 difficult

00:30:00.700 but

00:30:01.480 when

00:30:01.800 the

00:30:03.860 big

00:30:05.480 leap

00:30:05.900 can

00:30:06.400 be

00:30:06.680 put

00:30:07.020 forward

00:30:07.500 we

00:30:08.060 have

00:30:08.260 to

00:30:08.360 be

00:30:08.520 prepared

00:30:08.860 for

00:30:09.060 that.

00:30:10.160 And

00:30:10.280 I

00:30:10.540 will

00:30:10.860 prefer

00:30:11.420 the

00:30:11.900 countries

00:30:12.920 having

00:30:13.320 their

00:30:13.560 bucket

00:30:13.860 list

00:30:14.200 of

00:30:14.400 what

00:30:14.520 they

00:30:14.680 can

00:30:14.840 do

00:30:15.220 to

00:30:16.080 strengthen

00:30:17.220 their

00:30:17.840 ties

00:30:18.600 and

00:30:19.260 economic

00:30:19.980 trade

00:30:21.720 relations

00:30:22.360 with

00:30:22.720 Taiwan.

00:30:24.140 And

00:30:24.380 also

00:30:25.520 I

00:30:25.940 would

00:30:26.200 also

00:30:26.580 like

00:30:26.920 to

00:30:27.300 see

00:30:27.780 how

00:30:28.160 this

00:30:28.520 works.

00:30:29.480 When

00:30:29.740 China

00:30:30.460 put

00:30:32.940 in

00:30:33.100 assault

00:30:33.620 to

00:30:33.920 Taiwan

00:30:34.500 if

00:30:37.120 there

00:30:37.360 is

00:30:37.480 a

00:30:37.600 possibility

00:30:38.100 to

00:30:38.560 play

00:30:38.900 the

00:30:40.100 other

00:30:40.320 way

00:30:40.540 wrong

00:30:40.880 that

00:30:41.140 we

00:30:41.440 could

00:30:41.900 in

00:30:42.200 terms

00:30:42.580 of

00:30:44.160 keeping

00:30:44.460 silence

00:30:45.100 we

00:30:45.780 should

00:30:46.520 take

00:30:46.980 a

00:30:47.200 step

00:30:47.500 forward

00:30:48.200 to

00:30:48.700 deliver

00:30:50.240 our

00:30:51.500 message

00:30:52.340 and

00:30:52.780 to

00:30:53.260 reach

00:30:54.580 our

00:30:54.840 hand

00:30:55.100 to

00:30:55.280 Taiwan

00:30:55.800 various

00:30:56.760 tiny

00:30:57.420 baby

00:30:58.400 steps

00:30:58.960 since

00:30:59.440 us

00:31:00.000 few

00:31:01.000 months

00:31:01.320 ago

00:31:01.640 when

00:31:02.040 in

00:31:03.400 March

00:31:03.720 this

00:31:04.040 year

00:31:04.260 when

00:31:04.620 China

00:31:05.220 banned

00:31:06.120 the

00:31:06.820 pineapple

00:31:09.020 fruit

00:31:09.660 import

00:31:10.860 from

00:31:12.120 Taiwan

00:31:12.520 to

00:31:12.740 China

00:31:13.060 I

00:31:14.980 can

00:31:15.620 see

00:31:15.900 trade

00:31:16.300 office

00:31:16.680 in

00:31:16.960 Taipei

00:31:17.520 posting

00:31:19.120 pictures

00:31:20.400 of

00:31:21.340 themselves

00:31:21.940 buying

00:31:22.600 more

00:31:23.280 of

00:31:23.700 and

00:31:24.100 consuming

00:31:24.520 more

00:31:24.880 of

00:31:25.020 the

00:31:25.140 Taiwanese

00:31:25.660 pineapples

00:31:26.860 which is

00:31:28.060 very

00:31:28.460 unusual

00:31:29.340 I would

00:31:29.980 say

00:31:30.320 in my

00:31:31.120 observation

00:31:31.560 the

00:31:34.820 trade

00:31:35.700 office

00:31:36.260 not only

00:31:36.960 taken

00:31:37.300 out

00:31:37.660 to

00:31:38.060 the

00:31:38.980 social

00:31:39.760 medias

00:31:40.420 and

00:31:41.460 it

00:31:43.920 generated

00:31:44.440 the

00:31:44.860 media

00:31:45.540 in the

00:31:46.040 circle

00:31:46.340 to

00:31:46.860 reporting

00:31:48.220 this

00:31:48.640 and

00:31:49.540 to

00:31:50.940 reach

00:31:51.240 out

00:31:51.420 the

00:31:51.540 ordinary

00:31:51.940 people

00:31:52.420 yeah

00:31:53.260 but

00:31:53.780 the

00:31:53.980 similar

00:31:54.200 thing

00:31:54.500 same

00:31:54.760 as

00:31:55.080 the

00:31:55.400 canola

00:31:55.900 oil

00:31:56.800 band

00:31:57.400 and

00:31:58.040 beef

00:31:58.980 and

00:31:59.220 all

00:31:59.480 the

00:31:59.640 other

00:32:00.120 agricultural

00:32:01.780 product

00:32:02.380 band

00:32:02.800 in

00:32:03.120 Canada

00:32:03.480 and

00:32:04.220 other

00:32:04.720 trade

00:32:05.760 band

00:32:06.260 in

00:32:06.880 Australia

00:32:07.720 so

00:32:08.420 we

00:32:08.800 all

00:32:09.240 each

00:32:09.600 suffer

00:32:10.100 the

00:32:10.380 same

00:32:10.620 thing

00:32:10.960 from

00:32:11.260 China

00:32:13.260 for

00:32:13.620 no

00:32:13.860 reason

00:32:14.280 for

00:32:15.000 unforeseeable

00:32:16.760 and

00:32:17.280 irregular

00:32:18.380 reason

00:32:18.920 for

00:32:19.360 no

00:32:19.580 reason

00:32:19.940 and

00:32:20.660 we

00:32:20.840 should

00:32:20.980 get

00:32:21.140 together

00:32:21.640 and

00:32:22.160 even

00:32:22.360 just

00:32:22.640 tiny

00:32:22.960 little

00:32:23.220 steps

00:32:23.720 we

00:32:24.120 could

00:32:24.340 still

00:32:24.640 inch

00:32:25.000 out

00:32:25.460 to

00:32:26.260 deliver

00:32:27.080 a

00:32:27.340 positive

00:32:27.700 message

00:32:28.360 that

00:32:28.600 we

00:32:28.800 are

00:32:28.940 ready

00:32:29.260 to

00:32:29.980 for

00:32:31.680 a

00:32:31.800 bigger

00:32:31.920 action

00:32:32.360 that

00:32:33.520 is

00:32:33.620 very

00:32:33.820 well

00:32:34.100 said

00:32:34.480 you

00:32:34.660 and

00:32:34.880 I

00:32:35.300 should

00:32:35.600 note

00:32:35.800 when

00:32:36.020 China

00:32:36.320 does

00:32:36.660 things

00:32:37.020 like

00:32:37.320 its

00:32:37.500 actions

00:32:37.840 on

00:32:38.100 canola

00:32:38.560 and

00:32:38.860 the

00:32:39.120 pineapple

00:32:39.580 example

00:32:40.060 it

00:32:40.580 makes

00:32:40.860 it

00:32:41.020 real

00:32:41.260 for

00:32:41.480 a lot

00:32:41.780 of

00:32:41.900 individual

00:32:42.320 people

00:32:42.700 because

00:32:42.940 all

00:32:43.120 of

00:32:43.220 a

00:32:43.300 sudden

00:32:43.420 you

00:32:43.560 have

00:32:43.780 farmers

00:32:44.260 and

00:32:44.640 people

00:32:45.300 that

00:32:45.480 work

00:32:45.720 in

00:32:45.920 trade

00:32:46.340 and

00:32:46.580 shipping

00:32:46.860 that

00:32:47.100 are

00:32:47.200 affected

00:32:47.620 by

00:32:47.940 this

00:32:48.240 that

00:32:48.480 start

00:32:48.900 seeing

00:32:49.240 that

00:32:49.480 so

00:32:49.640 I'm

00:32:49.940 glad

00:32:50.140 you

00:32:50.300 shared

00:32:50.520 what

00:32:50.680 you

00:32:50.800 did

00:32:51.000 let me

00:32:51.760 turn

00:32:51.960 back

00:32:52.180 to

00:32:52.300 you

00:32:52.440 Michael

00:32:52.920 you

00:32:53.180 introduced

00:32:53.740 in

00:32:54.080 June

00:32:54.520 the

00:32:54.860 Canada

00:32:55.380 Taiwan

00:32:55.900 Relations

00:32:56.460 Framework

00:32:57.020 Act

00:32:57.300 as we

00:32:57.620 know

00:32:57.820 the

00:32:58.460 parliamentary

00:32:59.040 session

00:32:59.520 didn't

00:32:59.800 last

00:33:00.100 too

00:33:00.280 long

00:33:00.640 after

00:33:00.960 that

00:33:01.260 and

00:33:01.440 we

00:33:01.700 ended

00:33:01.880 up

00:33:02.080 in

00:33:02.180 an

00:33:02.320 election

00:33:02.660 before

00:33:03.120 your

00:33:03.900 bill

00:33:04.140 could

00:33:04.540 be

00:33:05.040 advanced

00:33:05.560 any

00:33:05.860 further

00:33:06.220 I

00:33:06.920 assume

00:33:07.280 you

00:33:07.460 would

00:33:07.580 like

00:33:07.780 to

00:33:07.900 do

00:33:08.040 something

00:33:08.340 else

00:33:08.640 in

00:33:08.920 the

00:33:09.060 next

00:33:09.280 parliament

00:33:09.640 very

00:33:09.940 similar

00:33:10.380 let

00:33:11.120 me

00:33:11.220 ask

00:33:11.500 you

00:33:11.660 also

00:33:12.040 how

00:33:12.520 was

00:33:12.740 that

00:33:12.940 received

00:33:13.640 just

00:33:14.200 casually

00:33:15.240 and

00:33:15.600 personally

00:33:16.720 among

00:33:17.040 your

00:33:17.260 colleagues

00:33:17.740 of

00:33:17.940 different

00:33:18.220 parties

00:33:18.600 was

00:33:18.920 there

00:33:19.100 broad

00:33:19.640 cross

00:33:23.180 I'm

00:33:23.560 hopeful

00:33:24.040 that

00:33:24.620 there

00:33:24.840 will

00:33:25.080 be

00:33:25.340 cross

00:33:25.960 party

00:33:26.800 support

00:33:27.440 for

00:33:28.020 what

00:33:28.640 is

00:33:28.980 a

00:33:29.540 modest

00:33:30.060 but

00:33:30.880 important

00:33:31.520 step

00:33:32.120 and

00:33:32.880 it

00:33:33.020 is

00:33:33.380 an

00:33:33.940 initiative

00:33:34.320 that

00:33:34.580 I

00:33:34.780 do

00:33:35.020 intend

00:33:35.400 to

00:33:35.600 take

00:33:35.860 up

00:33:36.200 in

00:33:37.120 this

00:33:37.520 new

00:33:38.000 parliament

00:33:38.480 but

00:33:39.280 very

00:33:39.560 simply

00:33:40.120 the

00:33:40.760 legislation

00:33:41.600 that I

00:33:41.920 put

00:33:42.140 forward

00:33:42.560 the

00:33:42.880 Canada

00:33:43.360 Taiwan

00:33:44.080 Relations

00:33:45.160 Framework

00:33:45.760 Act

00:33:46.160 provides

00:33:48.480 for

00:33:49.000 a

00:33:49.480 mechanism

00:33:50.120 a

00:33:50.360 framework

00:33:50.820 by

00:33:51.240 which

00:33:51.540 to

00:33:51.780 conduct

00:33:52.280 relations

00:33:53.080 between

00:33:53.500 Canada

00:33:54.020 and

00:33:54.320 Taiwan

00:33:54.800 absent

00:33:55.400 formal

00:33:56.100 diplomatic

00:33:56.900 relations

00:33:57.780 including

00:33:58.380 in

00:33:58.700 areas

00:33:59.400 of

00:33:59.680 cultural

00:34:00.420 legal

00:34:01.320 and

00:34:01.760 economic

00:34:02.240 affairs

00:34:02.840 among

00:34:03.600 the

00:34:04.020 measures

00:34:04.920 that it

00:34:05.600 would

00:34:05.820 enact

00:34:06.820 is to

00:34:07.140 codify

00:34:07.720 Canada's

00:34:09.060 support

00:34:09.500 for

00:34:10.540 Taiwan's

00:34:11.340 participation

00:34:12.060 in

00:34:12.620 international

00:34:13.400 fora

00:34:14.160 including

00:34:15.100 at

00:34:15.680 WHO

00:34:16.480 and

00:34:17.500 at

00:34:17.840 ICAO

00:34:18.460 it

00:34:19.160 would

00:34:19.440 allow

00:34:20.000 the

00:34:20.980 Taiwan

00:34:21.660 representative

00:34:22.800 office

00:34:23.240 to

00:34:23.400 be

00:34:23.520 called

00:34:23.820 back

00:34:24.200 instead

00:34:24.860 of

00:34:25.040 the

00:34:25.200 Taipei

00:34:25.800 economic

00:34:26.640 and

00:34:26.900 cultural

00:34:27.320 office

00:34:27.760 recognizing

00:34:28.500 that

00:34:28.900 that

00:34:29.120 diplomatic

00:34:30.780 office

00:34:31.380 represents

00:34:31.900 the

00:34:32.200 government

00:34:32.480 of

00:34:32.780 Taiwan

00:34:33.140 and

00:34:34.020 the

00:34:34.460 people

00:34:34.860 of

00:34:35.280 Taiwan

00:34:35.780 it

00:34:36.660 would

00:34:36.940 provide

00:34:37.760 that

00:34:37.980 Canada

00:34:38.360 could

00:34:38.700 enter

00:34:39.040 into

00:34:39.460 legal

00:34:40.160 agreements

00:34:40.740 with

00:34:41.140 Taiwan

00:34:41.740 so

00:34:42.660 that

00:34:42.820 we

00:34:42.960 could

00:34:43.300 negotiate

00:34:44.020 on

00:34:44.620 an

00:34:44.940 upfront

00:34:45.340 basis

00:34:46.300 to

00:34:47.180 advance

00:34:47.680 things

00:34:48.040 like

00:34:48.420 a

00:34:48.820 foreign

00:34:49.120 investment

00:34:49.740 promotion

00:34:50.720 FIPA

00:34:51.400 agreement

00:34:52.200 the next

00:34:52.680 step

00:34:52.980 towards

00:34:53.480 a

00:34:53.780 free

00:34:54.000 trade

00:34:54.260 agreement

00:34:54.660 and

00:34:55.760 it

00:34:56.200 would

00:34:56.360 recognize

00:34:56.980 in

00:34:57.900 Canadian

00:34:58.280 law

00:34:58.800 that

00:34:59.120 Taiwan

00:34:59.460 is

00:35:00.540 an

00:35:00.980 entity

00:35:01.380 recognizing

00:35:03.160 that

00:35:03.760 for all

00:35:04.180 intents and

00:35:04.800 purposes

00:35:05.220 absent

00:35:06.060 common

00:35:07.260 recognition

00:35:08.040 Taiwan

00:35:08.780 is

00:35:09.360 effectively

00:35:10.380 a

00:35:10.660 sovereign

00:35:10.940 state

00:35:11.420 very

00:35:13.700 well

00:35:14.020 said

00:35:14.340 and

00:35:14.460 I'll

00:35:14.540 give

00:35:14.680 you

00:35:14.780 the

00:35:14.920 last

00:35:15.160 word

00:35:15.440 on

00:35:15.760 this

00:35:16.040 Professor

00:35:16.640 Shin

00:35:16.940 what

00:35:17.520 would

00:35:17.720 you

00:35:17.840 like

00:35:18.060 to

00:35:18.180 see

00:35:18.320 the

00:35:18.480 next

00:35:18.720 step

00:35:19.020 be

00:35:19.240 from

00:35:19.540 a

00:35:19.880 Canadian

00:35:20.260 government

00:35:20.760 or

00:35:21.080 from

00:35:21.360 any

00:35:21.520 other

00:35:21.740 government

00:35:22.080 what

00:35:22.320 do

00:35:22.540 you

00:35:22.620 think

00:35:22.780 is

00:35:22.880 the

00:35:23.040 first

00:35:23.720 thing

00:35:23.980 that

00:35:24.140 should

00:35:24.300 happen

00:35:24.660 if

00:35:24.980 we

00:35:25.140 pursue

00:35:25.500 the

00:35:25.800 ideal

00:35:26.380 relationship

00:35:26.980 with

00:35:27.260 Taiwan

00:35:27.620 moving

00:35:28.060 forward

00:35:28.520 I

00:35:29.460 think

00:35:29.600 the

00:35:29.760 first

00:35:30.000 thing

00:35:30.260 the

00:35:30.460 government

00:35:30.720 should

00:35:30.980 do

00:35:31.180 is

00:35:31.300 ban

00:35:31.800 Huawei

00:35:32.120 5G

00:35:32.880 A

00:35:33.580 lot

00:35:33.820 of

00:35:33.980 Canadians

00:35:34.400 we

00:35:34.800 don't

00:35:41.420 you

00:35:41.560 must

00:35:41.860 understand

00:35:42.440 Huawei

00:35:43.000 is

00:35:43.500 not

00:35:43.880 a

00:35:44.000 private

00:35:44.420 enterprise

00:35:45.120 as

00:35:45.540 it

00:35:45.800 look

00:35:46.020 like

00:35:46.400 in

00:35:47.280 reality

00:35:47.920 in

00:35:48.760 such

00:35:49.120 a

00:35:49.320 sensitive

00:35:50.140 industry

00:35:50.780 like

00:35:51.240 telecom

00:35:51.940 in

00:35:52.460 China

00:35:52.840 it's

00:35:53.220 impossible

00:35:53.800 to

00:35:54.200 have

00:35:54.540 any

00:35:55.100 room

00:35:55.460 for

00:35:55.680 private

00:35:56.060 business

00:35:56.520 Huawei

00:35:57.400 actually

00:35:58.080 is

00:35:58.480 based

00:35:58.840 on

00:35:59.040 military

00:35:59.540 PLC

00:36:00.740 to

00:36:01.220 fund

00:36:01.540 it

00:36:01.820 but

00:36:02.300 most

00:36:02.500 Canadians

00:36:02.840 we

00:36:03.060 don't

00:36:03.260 understand

00:36:03.700 I

00:36:04.180 mean

00:36:04.320 like

00:36:04.520 when

00:36:05.120 you

00:36:05.300 try

00:36:05.740 to

00:36:05.940 engage

00:36:06.320 with

00:36:06.560 China

00:36:07.260 you

00:36:07.820 should

00:36:08.200 not

00:36:08.620 base

00:36:09.020 on

00:36:09.320 a

00:36:09.800 common

00:36:10.320 framework

00:36:11.000 you

00:36:11.720 usually

00:36:12.240 use

00:36:12.640 in

00:36:12.780 Canada

00:36:13.160 you

00:36:13.760 have

00:36:14.160 to

00:36:14.300 really

00:36:14.540 understand

00:36:15.160 China's 0.76

00:36:15.820 regime

00:36:16.260 and

00:36:16.820 then

00:36:17.100 you

00:36:17.240 know

00:36:17.440 how

00:36:17.620 to

00:36:17.760 deal

00:36:17.960 with

00:36:18.160 Chinese

00:36:18.800 well

00:36:20.680 very

00:36:20.920 well

00:36:21.140 said

00:36:21.340 and

00:36:21.440 we

00:36:21.540 could

00:36:21.660 do

00:36:21.780 a

00:36:21.880 whole

00:36:22.060 other

00:36:22.360 panel

00:36:22.820 show

00:36:23.120 on

00:36:23.460 Huawei

00:36:23.800 which

00:36:24.060 we

00:36:24.200 might

00:36:24.380 do

00:36:24.580 so

00:36:24.760 thank

00:36:25.000 you

00:36:25.100 for

00:36:25.240 the

00:36:25.380 inspiration

00:36:25.900 York

00:36:26.640 University

00:36:27.280 professor

00:36:27.740 and

00:36:28.160 Taiwan

00:36:28.640 affairs

00:36:29.060 expert

00:36:29.520 Professor

00:36:30.060 Jung

00:36:30.520 Chen

00:36:30.760 Shin

00:36:31.060 Edmonton

00:36:32.120 MP

00:36:32.620 or

00:36:32.900 St.

00:36:33.120 Albert

00:36:33.400 Edmonton

00:36:33.900 MP

00:36:34.260 I

00:36:34.440 should

00:36:34.600 say

00:36:34.800 Michael

00:36:35.120 Cooper

00:36:35.500 and

00:36:36.120 also

00:36:36.460 Taiwan

00:36:41.000 thoroughly

00:36:41.320 enlightening

00:36:42.100 discussion

00:36:42.560 I

00:36:42.720 appreciate

00:36:43.020 it

00:36:43.580 thanks

00:36:44.480 thank you

00:36:45.000 thanks

00:36:47.080 for

00:36:47.240 listening

00:36:47.540 to the

00:36:47.860 Andrew

00:36:48.140 Lawton

00:36:48.460 show

00:36:48.740 support

00:36:49.320 the

00:36:49.480 program

00:36:49.800 by

00:36:50.020 donating

00:36:50.380 to

00:36:50.600 true

00:36:50.760 north

00:36:51.040 at

00:36:51.300 www.tnc.news

Juno News - October 15, 2021

Canada needs to stand up for Taiwan

Episode Stats

Summary

Transcript