Juno News - January 13, 2026Canada’s Left Can’t Admit Trump Was Right
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Stephen LeDrew joins the show to talk about his new hit show, Three Minute Rant, and why we need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot with our liberal critics, and stop pretending we have our affairs in order on the key files we don t.
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Hi, Juno News. Alexander Brown here back for another episode, host of Not Sorry. I'm a writer,
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communicator, campaigner, director of the National Citizens Coalition, and it's great to be here
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for 20% off. There's so much great journalism shows here. I hope you take advantage and we're
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thrilled to have you here. It's a new year, but we are experiencing the same old liberal problems.
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For all the claims to the contrary from the powers that be, the incuriosity of those in their media
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who seemingly take announcements at their word, Canada's recovery has clearly started slowly,
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reluctantly, and in some ways hasn't started at all. I want to be proven wrong about this. For you,
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for us, for our country, it's in all of our best interests that we stop shooting ourselves in the
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foot, stop judging others despite not having our house in order, and that we stop pretending we
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have our affairs in order on the key files because we don't. I'm thrilled to have Stephen LeDrew join
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us today. And gee, does he feel the same about all these issues? Stephen is the past president of
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the Liberal Party of Canada, one of our great outspoken media figures, and I strongly encourage
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you to check out his hit show, Three Minute Interview. Watch this clip from his latest rants on
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a FET Canada's response to Trump's actions in Venezuela. I'm sure many of you will agree.
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Yes, nefarious characters are involved, and no political solution is perfect. But for people
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in Canada to be saying, oh, we can't allow this to happen because we're next, or Trump's going to
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look north, it's pure silliness. It's pure rot. Let's be intelligent about it and face it. The fact
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is that it's a bad situation. It needs to be contained. We don't want Venezuela and the Chinese in Venezuela
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or Russians in Venezuela to be hurtling bombs north to the United States. Something had to be done.
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I'm not saying it was right. And people are going to say, oh, well, you're supporting Trump.
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Trump has done some good things. He has helped grow Canada in the last year that he's been in power.
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So let's just be calm. Let's just study it. And let's just not be so friggin' sanctimonious
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as to say, the United States is evil for doing that. Let's not be so friggin' sanctimonious indeed.
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Stephen LeDrew joins the show. Stephen is the former president of the Liberal Party of Canada. He's
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the host of the terrific three-minute interview. I'd love to join you in the studio next time I'm in
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Toronto. Stephen, thanks for being here. You'll be there. Thank you very much.
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I love it. It's so great. And this is a real pleasure for me. I followed your work closely for a long time.
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CP24 daytime for many years was a permanent fixture in my household. So this is in the flesh. It's pretty neat.
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You're very generous. I want to tell you about that. After I left CP24, I was driving along the Danforth in
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Toronto, a well-known street, and I was pulled over by the cops. And I said to the two officers, I said,
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you know, what have I done wrong? I wasn't aware of anything. It was the middle of the day.
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And they said, oh, we used to watch you every day at noon, and we thought it was you in the car,
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so we simply wanted to meet you. Hey, I would have done the same thing.
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It was very nice of them. You were the voice for common sense for Toronto. I would have pulled
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you over, too. We needed more of it then. Stephen, in your latest rant, and let it be said,
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the title says it's a rant. I'm not trying to be flippant. You state, and I quote,
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let's not be so frigging sanctimonious when it comes to Venezuela. I certainly feel similarly about
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the limits of moral outrage here, some of what we're seeing. What the heck is going on with this
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black and white response to the situation in Venezuela from so many Canadians?
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I think it's a Canadian symptom that we just look at things, as you put it so well,
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black and white. We have people saying, well, he's just doing it for the oil. Clearly, oil is an
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issue there. Others are saying, well, he should be doing it because of human rights and the fact that
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7 million Venezuelans have had to leave the country in the last few years. There are thousands killed
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by the government, thousands imprisoned. The economy is which an economy, one could compare it to Canada
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almost. Their economy should be booming based on natural resources, and it's not because the
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government is so poorly run. Some will say, well, it's a good thing to do. Others will take issue with
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Trump alone. I mean, there are people, so many people in Canada. It happened to me over the
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Christmas season, a woman at a dinner. She said, somebody mentioned Trump, but she broke into tears.
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What's the matter? I hate that man. Okay, well, why? He's Trump. Yeah, I mean, he's a little bit crazy
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at times, no questions about it. But, I mean, he's done great for Canada, and he is doing very well for
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some Americans, and nobody is perfect. But people in Canada have this tremendous, you know, this
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tremendous sanctimony about calling themselves better than Trump. So, I mean, the debate, I think,
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in Canada is very simplified to the misfortune of most Canadians. It is a difficult situation. There
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is no perfect solution to the situation in Venezuela. Not one, and I have put it to some critics. I said,
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okay, if you were president, and you knew what was going on in Venezuela, and whether you needed the oil,
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or it just wanted to stop things, or whether you're going on the old Monroe Doctrine, or you didn't
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want the Chinese moving into Venezuela, having the ability to send drones into Florida.
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If you care about Iran, you don't want the foothold there either.
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Well, I mean, there's another situation that Venezuela doesn't have a crown prince in Paris
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calling on Iranians to smarten up and get going. But, I mean, we are entering an era in the world
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world where I think that many, many domestic populations are starting to get fed up with leaders
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who are not paying attention to them, their citizens, and are dealing with what they consider
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real world issues. Iran, great heritage, great culture, great, could have a great economy,
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and they're taking their money to support ISIS in Syria and other places. Well, the Iranian people,
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I spoke to an Iranian citizen four days ago, and she said, well, we're just finally getting fed up.
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I said, well, where have you been the last 50 years? She said, we're very patient. So, I mean,
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I'm sorry that I'm taking you from Venezuela. Well, you mentioned Iran from Venezuela.
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No, it's my fault. I knew I could lead you astray pretty quick. What strikes me as particularly
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galling is that, like the Democrat, the Democratic Party, when Biden was in power,
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they had a $25 million bounty on Maduro's head. So, this is a case of just because Trump is doing this.
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And this was like as clean and surgical a strike as could have been possibly executed. And so far,
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there hasn't been some massive collateral fallout. So, so what more do we want?
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Well, is it because we don't have good media either in, you know, good part of it in Canada
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and in your show, other independent shows, non-prime minister's office paid media,
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which has, you know, which has good and open and fair discussions? I'll bet you, I'll bet you that
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most Americans have no idea of the Biden bounty. Yeah. They just don't. The mainstream media doesn't
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report things like that. We are very poorly served by the mainstream media, I think in Canada.
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So, we need more open analysis, more information out there. And we need people also who should be
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taking, I think, a greater interest. In Canada, and I'm having a pollster on next week to talk about
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how Canadians used to take the old thing about the constitution, peace, order, and good government.
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We used to take that for granted. And now people are wondering and scratching their head. I live in a
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small community and people say, what's going on in Canada? You know, we don't have good government.
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We have, I mean, the whole, the whole situation, I don't know. I guess by the time the day is out,
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we will know whether, in fact, Freeman has resigned or not. But I think it's appalling that we have-
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That's the obvious conflict I've ever seen. Well, that's right. And before, before she announced her
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new appointment, the prime minister knew, pardon me, and he gave $2.5 billion to Zelensky. Now,
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she is being unpaid, but, you know, she has homes in London and New York, and she has expenses. And,
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and I'm sure it helped that the country that's giving her up is just paid $2.5 billion as a donation.
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And then the other thing is, what about her, her constituents? She's an MP drawing salaries,
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and she was going to be leaving later on until the pressure got to her. I think in Canada, we need,
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we need to get back to good government, to good standards, to, to people pay attention to their
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governments, because we haven't for so long. And we are suffering. I mean, Canadian, Canadian economy
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is suffering. We had Trudeau in there, and everybody just said, oh, great, great, great. And
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it wasn't great in my view. No, and I'd love for us to just get serious. Like we're,
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we're great at hectoring others, but not having our own house in order. One thing that comes to
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mind, we're seeing it again this week for me, I don't know how you feel about it, but Ontario
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Premier Doug Ford, he's, he's just sort of back to pouring out the crown royal. He's, he's pulling it
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off the shelves. He's doing this bully ball, bully pulpit thing. And even though he's seemingly
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just harming farmers in Saskatchewan and workers in Manitoba, like, is that really team Canada,
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quote unquote, like, or is this more of this kind of unhelpful fervor and failure to take
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responsibility for, for getting our own act together? Well, I was just told, I was not aware
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of this, but I was told on by a usually reliable Manitoban that crown royal, in fact, is made in
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Manitoba. Yeah. Gimli, Manitoba. And that's bottled in, in down by Windsor. This is pure
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Ford politics. I mean, the other, the other day, some really conservative told me, well,
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Ford's not a conservative. I said, well, you know, ostensibly he is, he doesn't behave like
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a conservative. Um, but this is Ford politics and someone also the political circles opined that
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should probably have run into any more problems. Ford is going to be right there, ready, willing,
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and able, which would be stunning. He doesn't even know how to say bonjour, but, uh, I mean,
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politics in Canada is going through a, uh, a huge change. And I think, you know, what we started out
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talking about, what you brought up about the debate over Venezuela, uh, and Canadians, I think many
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Canadians now are getting tired of the Ottawa crowd and the academic crowd, um, being so black and white
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in their own minds. And they're starting to say, well, we need, we, one, we need to pay more
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attention. And two, we need to have a better caliber of politics in our country and a more realistic.
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I think of, um, there's this quote from, uh, one of the Batman movies, which I think the Joker says,
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it's like, you deserve a better class of criminal. And, and, uh, you know, we have these, like part of
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Ford's act, I put in a column the other day that it's kind of this like Arab strongman routine,
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but it's like, at least an Arab strongman can, can build a, you know, some super tower and in two
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months, it's like Ontario, it takes 15 years to build a train. It might not work once too slow.
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It's like, I just, if we're going to get all this lousy stuff, like I I'd love for us to deliver
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like in Las Vegas, it was never better than when the mob ran it. Like there's at least some positives
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there, right? Like where's the delivery? I, if you're going to do some dodgy stuff, if you're gonna,
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you're going to just stoke the fears of the electorate and, and give yourself over to cheap
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stunts, like I want results. Like I'm willing to under, I'm willing to appreciate that. Not,
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you know, all politicians are pure as the wind driven snow, but just give us something.
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Well, it's called a delivery and the prime minister, well, Trudeau used to always talk about,
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well, I'm delivering, I'm delivering and Canadians believed it. And we need to look at, I think,
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Canadians are going through a wake up call. And, and we're, we're also seeing that with our present
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prime minister who, it was a stunning victory for him. People were ready to kick the liberal party
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right out into the field. And, uh, it was an amazing campaign, elbows up, I'm going to beat Trump.
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And, uh, the conservative campaign was, it was a terrible campaign. Um, now, how long has it been?
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It's been 10 months, 11 months since, uh, Carney was sworn in, uh, people are starting to say,
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okay, you know what? You've been talking a lot. Where's the delivery. Yeah. And, but that's coming
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out even in, even in the globe unveil editorial the other day, I was stunned by it. Cause they're
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usually a bunch of old stodgy people. And that opinion section is this number one fan too.
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You know, but, but the editorial section said we need action. You've been talking about
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delivering and now we need pipelines. We need, you know, they didn't talk about the ring of fire,
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but we need some governments in Canada that are doing things aside from talking or aside from flying
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all over the world. Like Mr. Carney is signing agreements, which are absolutely meaningless.
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They're doing nothing meaningless or with a country that might like move the needle on our economy by
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0.1%. It's like, maybe sort things out with your neighbors first. Like, holy, very good point.
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You know, I mean, cause some of those agreements are like, okay, so, uh, they'll buy another $5,000 of
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canola. Yeah, no, it grapes from the Micronesia. Like, I don't think that's going to tip the scales
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for a country that doesn't manufacture and isn't getting its energy to market. And so I, I was
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curious about that because this is a conservative minded show and network. And so folks love to
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talk about your past experience as president of the liberal party. Like you, of course,
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were a vocal Trudeau critic. You, you saw the worst of it. You diagnosed it early. You saw it coming
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from a mile away. You were, you were waving the flare for everybody, but is Carney showing you
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anything that resembles the party that you used to serve? Like, are you, are you, I, I don't like
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dooming all the time. Like, are you optimistic about anything you're seeing or is it really just the,
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like, Oh, we've yet to see results? Well, yeah, you got right to the point.
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Very good question. And I am not optimistic. Carney is not a politician. He doesn't know how to,
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to, to run a government. Yeah. He doesn't know how to be in the house of commons. He doesn't know
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committees. He doesn't know how to deliver. And I'm told by people both in the banking section in
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Canada and in Britain that he had a reputation for not delivering. He, he can talk a good talk.
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Yeah. But I, so I'm not optimistic on that. And he has a cabinet full of Trudeau ministers.
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I mean, no, it's a terrible bench. There's that, that's to me, the concern like Mark Miller,
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you know, I mean, he's a guy failing upwards. Yeah. Well, yeah, he did. You know, be, I always
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thought it was just in the cabinet because he's in Trudeau's wedding party. Um, and that maybe that
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was one of the reasons, but he mucked up housing. He mucked up immigration. He not housing, sorry.
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Um, Indian affairs and, uh, and there he is back in the cabinet really Sean, Sean Frazier, you know,
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similar generational housing crisis, generational immigration crisis. Uh, now he, now generational
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justice. Yes. I mean, really. Oh, I don't think there's a problem with crime and no punishment.
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Well, yes. You talk to, I dare say nine out of 10 Canadians would say one of the biggest issues
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aside from the economy is crime and no punishment, especially in urban centers. I mean, it's unbelievable
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about this, uh, this cabinet reaching rurally too. Like there's a case, uh, Caledon, Ontario just,
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just this week where, uh, uh, an asylum seeker, one of these sort of dodgy illegal truck drivers,
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you know, he kills this young woman and he gets 55 days with good behavior. And, and, uh, again,
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another one of these liberal judges was like, oh, I don't want this to impact like your immigration
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status. It's like, I'm sorry. Like this should be entirely about your immigration status. Hey,
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you shouldn't have been here in the first place. You're not, it wasn't a legitimate claim. B,
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you should be gone like immediately gone. And so I, I, the fact that he gets to,
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to drag like his scythe from, from housing to, to immigration now to justice is like immensely
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concerning and, and in his own province, um, what I think is going to be even more famous case
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of a man who was found guilty of, uh, rape and, uh, and, uh, assault. One of the two women were,
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uh, were horribly, uh, assaulted. And the judge said, you know, normal circumstances,
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I don't know whether you said you'd get seven years or eight years, but because you're a black man,
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you're getting two. Yeah. Well, hello. I mean, this man was brought up by professional parents
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who are professionals and well-educated and, uh, seemingly a good domestic situation. So it's not as
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though, you know, he had been taken and hung out by himself, but just because of the Trudeau rules
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that Sean is still supporting, I think that's not justice. You know, people look at that and they
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say, that's just not right. That's an excuse. There's so many things now, but then so that you,
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you see, people listen to you and I chatting here and some people are going to say, okay,
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so you're supporting the conservatives next election. Um, I think there should be an alternative,
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but I'm worried when people say, oh, Polly Ev, I don't like Polly Ev. I don't like Trump. I don't
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like Polly Ev. Polly Ev is just another Trump. I mean, really it, it knocks me out in political
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circles, how that is going on. And in, uh, in the non-political circles where the liberals are
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going and you watch it happen. Whenever that election comes, I think it's going to come this
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year. Um, the liberals are going to be pasting Polly Ev with the Trump factor and assuming then
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that most Canadians don't like Trump. I think that's a fair assumption. I think it's a wrong
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assumption. As I said, I think Trump should be put in the Senate in Canada. I think he should be
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given the order of Canada. I think he's doing marvelous for Canada because we're finally standing up
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for ourselves saying, okay, we aren't going to rely on the States anymore. We shouldn't be out there
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building, but we aren't. So after a year, as I said, it was 10 months for Carney in there.
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Yeah. If, if a member of the elbows up crowd accidentally hit play on this, I think they just
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fainted, but it it's no, it's, he has forced us to get it together. Like it's, it's whether we like
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the way he's gone about it. And I, I found his, his, uh, participation in our election incredibly
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frustrating because I can't afford a home. I don't have a doctor, all these little things where,
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you know, I was kind of hoping for reform and, and the, the official opposition, which has remained
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so was in a position to, to do better by me. And I think there are all kinds of fair criticisms of
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their campaign, but it's, it's, uh, no, it like a, like a no knock raid on a moonlit Venezuelan night.
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Like he is a, he's a kind of reckoning for us. It's a, no, you're, you're, you're going to go
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get your, you know what together. Like there are consequences to taking 10 years off.
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Yes. And, um, and we have to face that much interesting. Good back to Venezuela again.
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Um, it was virtually a perfect raid from a technical point of view. Um, and there's nothing new
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with French, British, American governments getting involved in other, you know, bad states.
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And perhaps looking at the world and you mentioned Iran, Iran before this should have been done
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earlier. Yeah. I mean, so, so really, I mean, we are being a little lily livered in Canada saying,
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Oh, we should be doing that. And maybe it's a legacy media thing, but like the Canadian military is,
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is doing stuff right now. And in countries that we're not quite sure. I don't think the public
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is aware of like, we have some very talented people doing some very talented work overseas right now.
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We, we always do it. It's, but it's just because evidently the, the warming glow of the television
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told us to absolutely load the man who did this, that we're, we're willing to treat this as a bad thing.
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Like we're, we're, I don't know. That guy was horrible. Like that, that refugee program that,
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that spanned the globe, you know, you have journalists in jail that, that how can we not
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just take a little bit of a win here? And heck, it also helps us to actually force this bitumen
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pipeline to the Pacific coast, because if Venezuela is going to come back online in a few years, and
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and they also have heavy crude like us, that again, you know, cold light a day, no excuses.
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Don't let David Eby get in the way. Like, just get it done.
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I mean, they have, the United States has the refineries for that, for the Alberta. We don't.
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Why would we have a refinery? Why would anybody invest in Canada? You could build a refinery,
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and then two weeks after the opening, a guy like Trudeau would have come along and closed it down,
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a hundred million dollars. And Eby can stand up. I mean, Eby is an interesting case from your
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province now, because he was pushing for all the illegal safe drugs. And now he says, okay,
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that was a mistake. Well, are you paying? Are you? What about the families that were
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destroyed? What about the people that were killed?
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David Eby Yeah, thousands of lives lost, businesses closed. I was in downtown Vancouver
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yesterday, and it looks like a third world country. Like the closer you go towards the
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downtown east side, like it's, Mogadishu probably, you know, has a better through fare than East Hastings
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right now. Like it's just so unacceptable, has not faced any accountability.
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I don't understand that because we still are accepting it in Toronto.
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David Eby Sex supply is arguably worse in Toronto. I was talking to Adam Zeevo recently,
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arguably worse in Toronto than it is in Vancouver now.
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David Eby I mean, it's crazy, but it's crazy. But why are we accepting that?
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David Eby I don't know what it's this professional apathy. I don't know if it's easier to be in denial and
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pretend it's still the nineties than it is to do the hard work to actually get it together. Maybe it's
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David Eby It's nothing grows in the comfort zone. Like I, I, I, I professionally bang my head against
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the wall thinking about this as part of what just the show is three days a week going like,
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David Eby That's part of what your job is and what part of what my job is. And people say,
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you know, listen to the Drew, are you going to take some time off? Why are you still doing this? I said,
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because, you know, I'm getting, I'm just getting started because people
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are putting up with the wrong things in Canada. We are so comatose and we sit back and say, oh,
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that Trump, he's a bad guy. Yeah. Well, look at our own streets. Look at our own policies. Look at the
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premier of, of, of, of BC and what he has encouraged. And who's that medical officer of health you have
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David Eby That's what she has been saying for years and years. And it's costing people a lot of,
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a lot of agony lives, money, uh, business. And now you say, well, there'd be no pipeline across
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the prime minister. This is going to go back to the prime minister and what's going to happen.
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The prime minister has the authority to direct that there'd be a pipeline there. I don't think the
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government should build it. I'd like to be able to tell businesses, you know, there it is. There's an open
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license for a pipeline, somebody out there, build it. And, uh, we will guarantee that it's not going
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to be closed down. He has to deal with, and I, I, I hear this. He has to deal with indigenous rights,
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but they don't have a right to stop it. They have a right, in my view, to fair consultation and they
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have a right, those 600 groups, and it'd be easier if they could get it together. So two or three, they
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have a right to, um, to, to what, to have participation in the roots, in the, the way it's
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built, the way that is going to be run. They do not have a right to stop it. No, they, those,
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those rights, especially coming out of DRIPA, um, they, they supersede all else. It, it, you know,
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people are now worried about the, their property rights. They're worried about their access to
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public parks. It's, it's there. There's folks in Richmond right now, uh, adjacent to Cowichan,
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where this decisions come in, where, you know, their lenders are denying, um, you know,
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their latest applications because they're unsure about the situation with fee simple it, it all
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downstream from seeming well-meaning is, is you need leaders who will actually just say no to certain
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things you need. Carney needs to just put his foot down. It is federal jurisdiction.
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Yes. That this pipeline, because it's pro cross provincial transportation is always considered
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federal jurisdiction. So, Hey, we're going to keep, you know, plugging away. We're, I think our jobs at
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this point are just pulling the Overton window as far as humanly possible. Steven, you were terrific.
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Everyone go check out three minute interview and, uh, come back on sometime.
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It's been my pleasure. I'm, I hope you've asked me back on. Good to see you.