Juno News - Canada’s Left Can’t Admit Trump Was Right

00:00:00.000 Hi, Juno News. Alexander Brown here back for another episode, host of Not Sorry. I'm a writer,

00:00:08.240 communicator, campaigner, director of the National Citizens Coalition, and it's great to be here

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00:00:18.920 for 20% off. There's so much great journalism shows here. I hope you take advantage and we're

00:00:24.580 thrilled to have you here. It's a new year, but we are experiencing the same old liberal problems.

00:00:30.000 For all the claims to the contrary from the powers that be, the incuriosity of those in their media

00:00:35.680 who seemingly take announcements at their word, Canada's recovery has clearly started slowly,

00:00:41.740 reluctantly, and in some ways hasn't started at all. I want to be proven wrong about this. For you,

00:00:47.560 for us, for our country, it's in all of our best interests that we stop shooting ourselves in the

00:00:51.980 foot, stop judging others despite not having our house in order, and that we stop pretending we

00:00:57.740 have our affairs in order on the key files because we don't. I'm thrilled to have Stephen LeDrew join

00:01:02.520 us today. And gee, does he feel the same about all these issues? Stephen is the past president of

00:01:07.640 the Liberal Party of Canada, one of our great outspoken media figures, and I strongly encourage

00:01:12.360 you to check out his hit show, Three Minute Interview. Watch this clip from his latest rants on

00:01:18.060 a FET Canada's response to Trump's actions in Venezuela. I'm sure many of you will agree.

00:01:23.100 Yes, nefarious characters are involved, and no political solution is perfect. But for people

00:01:29.620 in Canada to be saying, oh, we can't allow this to happen because we're next, or Trump's going to 0.64

00:01:35.600 look north, it's pure silliness. It's pure rot. Let's be intelligent about it and face it. The fact 0.90

00:01:42.680 is that it's a bad situation. It needs to be contained. We don't want Venezuela and the Chinese in Venezuela 1.00

00:01:50.760 or Russians in Venezuela to be hurtling bombs north to the United States. Something had to be done. 0.90

00:01:57.540 I'm not saying it was right. And people are going to say, oh, well, you're supporting Trump.

00:02:02.280 Trump has done some good things. He has helped grow Canada in the last year that he's been in power.

00:02:09.340 So let's just be calm. Let's just study it. And let's just not be so friggin' sanctimonious

00:02:16.640 as to say, the United States is evil for doing that. Let's not be so friggin' sanctimonious indeed. 0.98

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00:03:05.880 Stephen LeDrew joins the show. Stephen is the former president of the Liberal Party of Canada. He's

00:03:10.100 the host of the terrific three-minute interview. I'd love to join you in the studio next time I'm in

00:03:14.760 Toronto. Stephen, thanks for being here. You'll be there. Thank you very much.

00:03:18.740 I love it. It's so great. And this is a real pleasure for me. I followed your work closely for a long time.

00:03:23.880 CP24 daytime for many years was a permanent fixture in my household. So this is in the flesh. It's pretty neat.

00:03:31.380 You're very generous. I want to tell you about that. After I left CP24, I was driving along the Danforth in

00:03:38.540 Toronto, a well-known street, and I was pulled over by the cops. And I said to the two officers, I said,

00:03:45.920 you know, what have I done wrong? I wasn't aware of anything. It was the middle of the day.

00:03:50.880 And they said, oh, we used to watch you every day at noon, and we thought it was you in the car,

00:03:57.020 so we simply wanted to meet you. Hey, I would have done the same thing.

00:04:01.320 It was very nice of them. You were the voice for common sense for Toronto. I would have pulled

00:04:06.700 you over, too. We needed more of it then. Stephen, in your latest rant, and let it be said,

00:04:12.840 the title says it's a rant. I'm not trying to be flippant. You state, and I quote,

00:04:17.840 let's not be so frigging sanctimonious when it comes to Venezuela. I certainly feel similarly about 0.88

00:04:24.160 the limits of moral outrage here, some of what we're seeing. What the heck is going on with this

00:04:29.160 black and white response to the situation in Venezuela from so many Canadians?

00:04:33.440 I think it's a Canadian symptom that we just look at things, as you put it so well,

00:04:40.160 black and white. We have people saying, well, he's just doing it for the oil. Clearly, oil is an

00:04:46.000 issue there. Others are saying, well, he should be doing it because of human rights and the fact that

00:04:51.320 7 million Venezuelans have had to leave the country in the last few years. There are thousands killed

00:04:57.080 by the government, thousands imprisoned. The economy is which an economy, one could compare it to Canada

00:05:04.300 almost. Their economy should be booming based on natural resources, and it's not because the

00:05:11.500 government is so poorly run. Some will say, well, it's a good thing to do. Others will take issue with

00:05:19.800 Trump alone. I mean, there are people, so many people in Canada. It happened to me over the

00:05:27.120 Christmas season, a woman at a dinner. She said, somebody mentioned Trump, but she broke into tears.

00:05:33.240 What's the matter? I hate that man. Okay, well, why? He's Trump. Yeah, I mean, he's a little bit crazy 1.00

00:05:42.340 at times, no questions about it. But, I mean, he's done great for Canada, and he is doing very well for

00:05:49.400 some Americans, and nobody is perfect. But people in Canada have this tremendous, you know, this

00:05:57.360 tremendous sanctimony about calling themselves better than Trump. So, I mean, the debate, I think,

00:06:05.180 in Canada is very simplified to the misfortune of most Canadians. It is a difficult situation. There

00:06:11.580 is no perfect solution to the situation in Venezuela. Not one, and I have put it to some critics. I said,

00:06:20.920 okay, if you were president, and you knew what was going on in Venezuela, and whether you needed the oil,

00:06:26.500 or it just wanted to stop things, or whether you're going on the old Monroe Doctrine, or you didn't

00:06:30.740 want the Chinese moving into Venezuela, having the ability to send drones into Florida.

00:06:37.320 If you care about Iran, you don't want the foothold there either. 1.00

00:06:40.080 Well, I mean, there's another situation that Venezuela doesn't have a crown prince in Paris

00:06:45.820 calling on Iranians to smarten up and get going. But, I mean, we are entering an era in the world 1.00

00:06:53.080 world where I think that many, many domestic populations are starting to get fed up with leaders

00:07:00.460 who are not paying attention to them, their citizens, and are dealing with what they consider

00:07:08.560 real world issues. Iran, great heritage, great culture, great, could have a great economy,

00:07:15.460 and they're taking their money to support ISIS in Syria and other places. Well, the Iranian people, 0.82

00:07:23.180 I spoke to an Iranian citizen four days ago, and she said, well, we're just finally getting fed up. 1.00

00:07:30.780 I said, well, where have you been the last 50 years? She said, we're very patient. So, I mean,

00:07:37.840 I'm sorry that I'm taking you from Venezuela. Well, you mentioned Iran from Venezuela.

00:07:42.380 No, it's my fault. I knew I could lead you astray pretty quick. What strikes me as particularly

00:07:49.040 galling is that, like the Democrat, the Democratic Party, when Biden was in power,

00:07:55.120 they had a $25 million bounty on Maduro's head. So, this is a case of just because Trump is doing this.

00:08:03.660 And this was like as clean and surgical a strike as could have been possibly executed. And so far,

00:08:10.640 there hasn't been some massive collateral fallout. So, so what more do we want?

00:08:15.800 Well, is it because we don't have good media either in, you know, good part of it in Canada

00:08:25.580 and in your show, other independent shows, non-prime minister's office paid media,

00:08:32.040 which has, you know, which has good and open and fair discussions? I'll bet you, I'll bet you that

00:08:40.520 most Americans have no idea of the Biden bounty. Yeah. They just don't. The mainstream media doesn't

00:08:49.180 report things like that. We are very poorly served by the mainstream media, I think in Canada.

00:08:54.800 So, we need more open analysis, more information out there. And we need people also who should be

00:09:04.040 taking, I think, a greater interest. In Canada, and I'm having a pollster on next week to talk about

00:09:13.200 how Canadians used to take the old thing about the constitution, peace, order, and good government.

00:09:18.640 We used to take that for granted. And now people are wondering and scratching their head. I live in a

00:09:24.820 small community and people say, what's going on in Canada? You know, we don't have good government.

00:09:31.320 We have, I mean, the whole, the whole situation, I don't know. I guess by the time the day is out,

00:09:38.280 we will know whether, in fact, Freeman has resigned or not. But I think it's appalling that we have-

00:09:44.640 That's the obvious conflict I've ever seen. Well, that's right. And before, before she announced her

00:09:50.220 new appointment, the prime minister knew, pardon me, and he gave $2.5 billion to Zelensky. Now,

00:09:58.800 she is being unpaid, but, you know, she has homes in London and New York, and she has expenses. And,

00:10:05.820 and I'm sure it helped that the country that's giving her up is just paid $2.5 billion as a donation.

00:10:13.400 And then the other thing is, what about her, her constituents? She's an MP drawing salaries, 0.94

00:10:18.820 and she was going to be leaving later on until the pressure got to her. I think in Canada, we need, 0.95

00:10:23.480 we need to get back to good government, to good standards, to, to people pay attention to their

00:10:30.240 governments, because we haven't for so long. And we are suffering. I mean, Canadian, Canadian economy

00:10:35.860 is suffering. We had Trudeau in there, and everybody just said, oh, great, great, great. And

00:10:39.260 it wasn't great in my view. No, and I'd love for us to just get serious. Like we're,

00:10:44.800 we're great at hectoring others, but not having our own house in order. One thing that comes to

00:10:50.120 mind, we're seeing it again this week for me, I don't know how you feel about it, but Ontario

00:10:54.100 Premier Doug Ford, he's, he's just sort of back to pouring out the crown royal. He's, he's pulling it

00:10:58.660 off the shelves. He's doing this bully ball, bully pulpit thing. And even though he's seemingly

00:11:04.340 just harming farmers in Saskatchewan and workers in Manitoba, like, is that really team Canada,

00:11:10.980 quote unquote, like, or is this more of this kind of unhelpful fervor and failure to take

00:11:15.480 responsibility for, for getting our own act together? Well, I was just told, I was not aware

00:11:21.880 of this, but I was told on by a usually reliable Manitoban that crown royal, in fact, is made in

00:11:30.780 Manitoba. Yeah. Gimli, Manitoba. And that's bottled in, in down by Windsor. This is pure

00:11:36.620 Ford politics. I mean, the other, the other day, some really conservative told me, well,

00:11:41.400 Ford's not a conservative. I said, well, you know, ostensibly he is, he doesn't behave like

00:11:45.800 a conservative. Um, but this is Ford politics and someone also the political circles opined that

00:11:55.420 should probably have run into any more problems. Ford is going to be right there, ready, willing,

00:12:00.040 and able, which would be stunning. He doesn't even know how to say bonjour, but, uh, I mean,

00:12:05.560 politics in Canada is going through a, uh, a huge change. And I think, you know, what we started out

00:12:12.540 talking about, what you brought up about the debate over Venezuela, uh, and Canadians, I think many

00:12:18.700 Canadians now are getting tired of the Ottawa crowd and the academic crowd, um, being so black and white 1.00

00:12:27.240 in their own minds. And they're starting to say, well, we need, we, one, we need to pay more

00:12:33.120 attention. And two, we need to have a better caliber of politics in our country and a more realistic.

00:12:41.340 I think of, um, there's this quote from, uh, one of the Batman movies, which I think the Joker says,

00:12:46.240 it's like, you deserve a better class of criminal. And, and, uh, you know, we have these, like part of

00:12:52.000 Ford's act, I put in a column the other day that it's kind of this like Arab strongman routine, 0.99

00:12:55.580 but it's like, at least an Arab strongman can, can build a, you know, some super tower and in two

00:13:01.180 months, it's like Ontario, it takes 15 years to build a train. It might not work once too slow.

00:13:06.680 It's like, I just, if we're going to get all this lousy stuff, like I I'd love for us to deliver

00:13:11.480 like in Las Vegas, it was never better than when the mob ran it. Like there's at least some positives

00:13:16.500 there, right? Like where's the delivery? I, if you're going to do some dodgy stuff, if you're gonna,

00:13:21.660 you're going to just stoke the fears of the electorate and, and give yourself over to cheap

00:13:27.900 stunts, like I want results. Like I'm willing to under, I'm willing to appreciate that. Not,

00:13:32.940 you know, all politicians are pure as the wind driven snow, but just give us something.

00:13:39.740 Well, it's called a delivery and the prime minister, well, Trudeau used to always talk about,

00:13:45.660 well, I'm delivering, I'm delivering and Canadians believed it. And we need to look at, I think,

00:13:51.260 Canadians are going through a wake up call. And, and we're, we're also seeing that with our present

00:13:57.740 prime minister who, it was a stunning victory for him. People were ready to kick the liberal party

00:14:05.980 right out into the field. And, uh, it was an amazing campaign, elbows up, I'm going to beat Trump.

00:14:13.500 And, uh, the conservative campaign was, it was a terrible campaign. Um, now, how long has it been?

00:14:20.300 It's been 10 months, 11 months since, uh, Carney was sworn in, uh, people are starting to say,

00:14:24.940 okay, you know what? You've been talking a lot. Where's the delivery. Yeah. And, but that's coming

00:14:29.580 out even in, even in the globe unveil editorial the other day, I was stunned by it. Cause they're

00:14:35.580 usually a bunch of old stodgy people. And that opinion section is this number one fan too.

00:14:39.900 You know, but, but the editorial section said we need action. You've been talking about

00:14:47.580 delivering and now we need pipelines. We need, you know, they didn't talk about the ring of fire,

00:14:52.700 but we need some governments in Canada that are doing things aside from talking or aside from flying

00:14:58.540 all over the world. Like Mr. Carney is signing agreements, which are absolutely meaningless.

00:15:03.500 They're doing nothing meaningless or with a country that might like move the needle on our economy by

00:15:08.060 0.1%. It's like, maybe sort things out with your neighbors first. Like, holy, very good point.

00:15:13.580 You know, I mean, cause some of those agreements are like, okay, so, uh, they'll buy another $5,000 of

00:15:20.220 canola. Yeah, no, it grapes from the Micronesia. Like, I don't think that's going to tip the scales

00:15:25.980 for a country that doesn't manufacture and isn't getting its energy to market. And so I, I was

00:15:31.020 curious about that because this is a conservative minded show and network. And so folks love to

00:15:37.900 talk about your past experience as president of the liberal party. Like you, of course,

00:15:41.900 were a vocal Trudeau critic. You, you saw the worst of it. You diagnosed it early. You saw it coming

00:15:46.780 from a mile away. You were, you were waving the flare for everybody, but is Carney showing you

00:15:53.020 anything that resembles the party that you used to serve? Like, are you, are you, I, I don't like

00:15:59.100 dooming all the time. Like, are you optimistic about anything you're seeing or is it really just the,

00:16:03.260 like, Oh, we've yet to see results? Well, yeah, you got right to the point.

00:16:10.060 Very good question. And I am not optimistic. Carney is not a politician. He doesn't know how to,

00:16:17.740 to, to run a government. Yeah. He doesn't know how to be in the house of commons. He doesn't know

00:16:23.660 committees. He doesn't know how to deliver. And I'm told by people both in the banking section in

00:16:29.820 Canada and in Britain that he had a reputation for not delivering. He, he can talk a good talk.

00:16:36.540 Yeah. But I, so I'm not optimistic on that. And he has a cabinet full of Trudeau ministers.

00:16:43.900 I mean, no, it's a terrible bench. There's that, that's to me, the concern like Mark Miller,

00:16:49.500 you know, I mean, he's a guy failing upwards. Yeah. Well, yeah, he did. You know, be, I always

00:16:54.860 thought it was just in the cabinet because he's in Trudeau's wedding party. Um, and that maybe that

00:16:59.820 was one of the reasons, but he mucked up housing. He mucked up immigration. He not housing, sorry. 0.91

00:17:04.220 Um, Indian affairs and, uh, and there he is back in the cabinet really Sean, Sean Frazier, you know,

00:17:10.540 similar generational housing crisis, generational immigration crisis. Uh, now he, now generational 0.94

00:17:16.700 justice. Yes. I mean, really. Oh, I don't think there's a problem with crime and no punishment.

00:17:22.700 Well, yes. You talk to, I dare say nine out of 10 Canadians would say one of the biggest issues

00:17:28.700 aside from the economy is crime and no punishment, especially in urban centers. I mean, it's unbelievable

00:17:35.740 about this, uh, this cabinet reaching rurally too. Like there's a case, uh, Caledon, Ontario just,

00:17:41.180 just this week where, uh, uh, an asylum seeker, one of these sort of dodgy illegal truck drivers, 1.00

00:17:46.140 you know, he kills this young woman and he gets 55 days with good behavior. And, and, uh, again,

00:17:51.740 another one of these liberal judges was like, oh, I don't want this to impact like your immigration

00:17:56.540 status. It's like, I'm sorry. Like this should be entirely about your immigration status. Hey, 0.50

00:18:02.860 you shouldn't have been here in the first place. You're not, it wasn't a legitimate claim. B,

00:18:06.380 you should be gone like immediately gone. And so I, I, the fact that he gets to,

00:18:12.620 to drag like his scythe from, from housing to, to immigration now to justice is like immensely 0.94

00:18:18.060 concerning and, and in his own province, um, what I think is going to be even more famous case

00:18:26.940 of a man who was found guilty of, uh, rape and, uh, and, uh, assault. One of the two women were,

00:18:35.660 uh, were horribly, uh, assaulted. And the judge said, you know, normal circumstances,

00:18:44.060 I don't know whether you said you'd get seven years or eight years, but because you're a black man, 0.99

00:18:48.380 you're getting two. Yeah. Well, hello. I mean, this man was brought up by professional parents 0.93

00:18:54.940 who are professionals and well-educated and, uh, seemingly a good domestic situation. So it's not as

00:19:00.940 though, you know, he had been taken and hung out by himself, but just because of the Trudeau rules

00:19:07.020 that Sean is still supporting, I think that's not justice. You know, people look at that and they

00:19:11.500 say, that's just not right. That's an excuse. There's so many things now, but then so that you,

00:19:19.500 you see, people listen to you and I chatting here and some people are going to say, okay,

00:19:24.300 so you're supporting the conservatives next election. Um, I think there should be an alternative,

00:19:30.620 but I'm worried when people say, oh, Polly Ev, I don't like Polly Ev. I don't like Trump. I don't

00:19:35.660 like Polly Ev. Polly Ev is just another Trump. I mean, really it, it knocks me out in political

00:19:40.300 circles, how that is going on. And in, uh, in the non-political circles where the liberals are

00:19:46.220 going and you watch it happen. Whenever that election comes, I think it's going to come this

00:19:49.660 year. Um, the liberals are going to be pasting Polly Ev with the Trump factor and assuming then

00:19:58.220 that most Canadians don't like Trump. I think that's a fair assumption. I think it's a wrong

00:20:01.980 assumption. As I said, I think Trump should be put in the Senate in Canada. I think he should be

00:20:05.660 given the order of Canada. I think he's doing marvelous for Canada because we're finally standing up

00:20:10.060 for ourselves saying, okay, we aren't going to rely on the States anymore. We shouldn't be out there

00:20:15.740 building, but we aren't. So after a year, as I said, it was 10 months for Carney in there.

00:20:22.060 Yeah. If, if a member of the elbows up crowd accidentally hit play on this, I think they just

00:20:26.300 fainted, but it it's no, it's, he has forced us to get it together. Like it's, it's whether we like

00:20:32.380 the way he's gone about it. And I, I found his, his, uh, participation in our election incredibly

00:20:37.660 frustrating because I can't afford a home. I don't have a doctor, all these little things where,

00:20:42.300 you know, I was kind of hoping for reform and, and the, the official opposition, which has remained

00:20:46.780 so was in a position to, to do better by me. And I think there are all kinds of fair criticisms of

00:20:51.980 their campaign, but it's, it's, uh, no, it like a, like a no knock raid on a moonlit Venezuelan night.

00:20:59.340 Like he is a, he's a kind of reckoning for us. It's a, no, you're, you're, you're going to go

00:21:04.220 get your, you know what together. Like there are consequences to taking 10 years off.

00:21:10.620 Yes. And, um, and we have to face that much interesting. Good back to Venezuela again.

00:21:17.420 Um, it was virtually a perfect raid from a technical point of view. Um, and there's nothing new

00:21:25.340 with French, British, American governments getting involved in other, you know, bad states.

00:21:36.540 And perhaps looking at the world and you mentioned Iran, Iran before this should have been done 0.89

00:21:41.740 earlier. Yeah. I mean, so, so really, I mean, we are being a little lily livered in Canada saying,

00:21:48.060 Oh, we should be doing that. And maybe it's a legacy media thing, but like the Canadian military is,

00:21:55.420 is doing stuff right now. And in countries that we're not quite sure. I don't think the public

00:22:00.700 is aware of like, we have some very talented people doing some very talented work overseas right now.

00:22:05.980 We, we always do it. It's, but it's just because evidently the, the warming glow of the television

00:22:12.300 told us to absolutely load the man who did this, that we're, we're willing to treat this as a bad thing.

00:22:18.060 Like we're, we're, I don't know. That guy was horrible. Like that, that refugee program that, 1.00

00:22:23.820 that spanned the globe, you know, you have journalists in jail that, that how can we not

00:22:29.580 just take a little bit of a win here? And heck, it also helps us to actually force this bitumen

00:22:34.540 pipeline to the Pacific coast, because if Venezuela is going to come back online in a few years, and

00:22:39.740 and they also have heavy crude like us, that again, you know, cold light a day, no excuses.

00:22:46.140 Don't let David Eby get in the way. Like, just get it done.

00:22:48.540 David Eby Well, I mean, about heavy crude,

00:22:51.660 I mean, they have, the United States has the refineries for that, for the Alberta. We don't.

00:22:57.980 Why would we have a refinery? Why would anybody invest in Canada? You could build a refinery,

00:23:03.660 and then two weeks after the opening, a guy like Trudeau would have come along and closed it down,

00:23:09.260 a hundred million dollars. And Eby can stand up. I mean, Eby is an interesting case from your

00:23:16.620 province now, because he was pushing for all the illegal safe drugs. And now he says, okay,

00:23:25.260 that was a mistake. Well, are you paying? Are you? What about the families that were

00:23:30.300 destroyed? What about the people that were killed?

00:23:31.500 David Eby Yeah, thousands of lives lost, businesses closed. I was in downtown Vancouver

00:23:36.780 yesterday, and it looks like a third world country. Like the closer you go towards the 0.94

00:23:42.380 downtown east side, like it's, Mogadishu probably, you know, has a better through fare than East Hastings

00:23:48.380 right now. Like it's just so unacceptable, has not faced any accountability.

00:23:52.380 David Eby Why are Canadians accepting it then?

00:23:55.100 I don't understand that because we still are accepting it in Toronto.

00:23:58.460 David Eby The whole drug situation.

00:24:00.700 David Eby Sex supply is arguably worse in Toronto. I was talking to Adam Zeevo recently,

00:24:04.620 arguably worse in Toronto than it is in Vancouver now.

00:24:06.780 David Eby I mean, it's crazy, but it's crazy. But why are we accepting that?

00:24:10.780 David Eby I don't know what it's this professional apathy. I don't know if it's easier to be in denial and

00:24:17.180 pretend it's still the nineties than it is to do the hard work to actually get it together. Maybe it's

00:24:21.100 David Eby It's nothing grows in the comfort zone. Like I, I, I, I professionally bang my head against

00:24:27.580 the wall thinking about this as part of what just the show is three days a week going like,

00:24:31.260 what the heck are we doing? Please stop.

00:24:33.740 David Eby Well, but that's

00:24:34.380 David Eby That's sabotaging yourself.

00:24:35.020 David Eby That's part of what your job is and what part of what my job is. And people say,

00:24:40.300 you know, listen to the Drew, are you going to take some time off? Why are you still doing this? I said,

00:24:43.740 because, you know, I'm getting, I'm just getting started because people

00:24:48.540 are putting up with the wrong things in Canada. We are so comatose and we sit back and say, oh,

00:24:55.980 that Trump, he's a bad guy. Yeah. Well, look at our own streets. Look at our own policies. Look at the

00:25:02.380 premier of, of, of, of BC and what he has encouraged. And who's that medical officer of health you have

00:25:09.820 there? Bonnie Henry? Bonnie Henry. Yeah.

00:25:11.660 David Eby That's what she has been saying for years and years. And it's costing people a lot of,

00:25:16.460 a lot of agony lives, money, uh, business. And now you say, well, there'd be no pipeline across

00:25:22.380 the prime minister. This is going to go back to the prime minister and what's going to happen.

00:25:25.900 The prime minister has the authority to direct that there'd be a pipeline there. I don't think the

00:25:32.060 government should build it. I'd like to be able to tell businesses, you know, there it is. There's an open

00:25:37.420 license for a pipeline, somebody out there, build it. And, uh, we will guarantee that it's not going

00:25:43.820 to be closed down. He has to deal with, and I, I, I hear this. He has to deal with indigenous rights, 0.99

00:25:51.660 but they don't have a right to stop it. They have a right, in my view, to fair consultation and they

00:25:58.940 have a right, those 600 groups, and it'd be easier if they could get it together. So two or three, they

00:26:06.380 have a right to, um, to, to what, to have participation in the roots, in the, the way it's

00:26:15.980 built, the way that is going to be run. They do not have a right to stop it. No, they, those,

00:26:25.100 those rights, especially coming out of DRIPA, um, they, they supersede all else. It, it, you know,

00:26:31.980 people are now worried about the, their property rights. They're worried about their access to

00:26:35.740 public parks. It's, it's there. There's folks in Richmond right now, uh, adjacent to Cowichan,

00:26:42.300 where this decisions come in, where, you know, their lenders are denying, um, you know,

00:26:46.700 their latest applications because they're unsure about the situation with fee simple it, it all

00:26:52.540 downstream from seeming well-meaning is, is you need leaders who will actually just say no to certain

00:26:59.980 things you need. Carney needs to just put his foot down. It is federal jurisdiction.

00:27:04.620 Yes. That this pipeline, because it's pro cross provincial transportation is always considered

00:27:09.180 federal jurisdiction. So, Hey, we're going to keep, you know, plugging away. We're, I think our jobs at

00:27:15.020 this point are just pulling the Overton window as far as humanly possible. Steven, you were terrific.

00:27:19.900 Everyone go check out three minute interview and, uh, come back on sometime.

00:27:23.340 It's been my pleasure. I'm, I hope you've asked me back on. Good to see you.

Juno News - January 13, 2026

Canada’s Left Can’t Admit Trump Was Right

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